We're mad about The Acolyte getting cancelled. 


Also, what does it mean to be an empath? Is Obi-Wan Kenobi compassionate? And where are Kenny and Aspen in our love of these fandoms?


All these answers and more!

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This week, the Scalosians fight to survive by **checks notes**  freezing the Enterprise. Also, Anakin and Obi-Wan lift a bunch of rocks!

Kenny brings up Ahsoka's role as caretaker in this week's episode of Clone Wars. And Aspen just really vibes with Wink of an Eye.

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IS STAR WARS A WESTERN?

Aspen dives deep on Gunfight at the OK Corral. They try to explain the weird law structure in Tombstone, AZ when the shootout happened. 

Kenny gets on his usual BS, talking aobut Spectre of the Gun as a satire of Western attitudes circa 1968. 

Aspen and Kenny talk about collective action in Star Trek versus the lone gunslinger 'tude in this week's Clone Wars.

Eat Bad. Watch Star Wars.

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Pardon us. Aspen went on a nightswim, so they keep slapping the mic.


We got bottle eps this week, dangit! Cheaper production is better (sometimes)!

Dr. Miranda Jones and the Medusan ambassador join the Enterprise this week. And we marvel at how complex a character Dr. Jones is (and Diana Muldaur). Meanwhile, Aspen stans for the new inductees of the 501st. REX AND CODY!

Also, we answer listener questions.

Note: Chicken Shop Date Girl and Andrew Garfield

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Thanks to Mike Moody-Garcia for letting Kenny guest on his pod!

We’re back with another ESSENTIAL BABYLON 5 episode. Kenny Madison from the ⁠Trek Wars podcast⁠ joins Mike to discuss how Babylon 5: The Road Home is very, very good for the franchise. Despite the movie not blowing them away, they feel it can only help inspire more people to watch Babylon 5 and, fingers crossed, pave the way for either an animated or live action series reboot. Enjoy the pod!

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0:00:00 Introducing the podcast and topic of discussion
0:02:21 Discussion of previous Babylon 5 content and fandom history
0:08:06 Rumors of Babylon 5 Reboot
0:14:33 A Love Letter to Fans, But Not a Great Movie
0:19:14 Rebooting the World: Exciting Possibilities for the Future
0:25:33 Zathras love and hopes for a B5 reboot
0:31:36 Babylon 5 Can Be A Taste for the Acquired Palate
0:41:32 Podcast and Comedy Updates
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Does Dave Filoni have a brother?

That's the topic of the week. Also, Star Trek and Star Wars are the topics, too.

Aspen talks about "the Filoni Zone." Kenny, naturally, talks about Dave Filoni pulling a George Lucas and synthesizing his favorite aesthetics into something new. Aspen talks about the Trek Triumverate playing Idiotball in this week's episode. And Kenny pulls some thematics out of his butt.

Also, criminal defense attorney Melvin Belli. When you listen to the episode, you'll get it.

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Aspen is sick! And suffering from The Paradise Syndrome!

Star Trek fails to show up this week as we act out of character and nitpick the flaws in Paradise Syndrome. Kenny talks about the Malevolence as an analog to the German Battleship Bismarck. And we dunk on Rise of Skywalker some more (sorry TROS lovers).

Also, both franchises deal with commanding stuff.

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Our friend Andrea DiMauro-Walton joins us to talk AHSOKA. And Star Trek, too, I guess. Aspen and Andrea talk about the Romulan Commander. Kenny talks about how Anakin just seems like a guy now (and why that's GOOD). Andrea talks about her experience with The Clone Wars and how kids aren't stupid. 


And Aspen talks about Star Trek as Regency Drama.

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We start two new seasons at once!

Kenny talks about the bold mission statement that is Ambush. Aspen talks about individualizing the clones. We both talk about The Clone Wars - chronological order versus release order.

And Kenny introduces listeners to Fred Freiberger and sets Aspen up for a new season-long arc.
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We've got two backdoor pilots!

Both Gene and George get unprecious with what's come before. They break canon and create a new character that becomes the focus. One is the American Doctor Who. The other one is Aspen's favorite Star Wars character.

YOU DECIDE WHICH IS WHICH!
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Neoliberalism!

Aspen talks about Neoliberalism and Revenge of the Sith. Kenny asks for a definition of what Neoliberalism means. We also talk about what morality looks like in Bread and Circuses.

Also, auteur theory is the only consistent way to talk about the Star Wars Prequel Trilogy (sorry not sorry)

And Joel T. Partner makes his yearly appearance (see you in 2025, Joel!)
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Great! Star Trek predicted tech bros taking over everything in 1968!

The Ultimate Computer rips up everything thanks to Dorothy Fontana. Meanwhile, Clone Wars expands to 12 minutes an episode and we're all the better for it. Aspen talks about how Grievous rules. And Kenny hates Grand Admiral Thrawn (a tangent).

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Dr. Tiffany L. Knoell, author of From Monk to Superhero: Genndy Tartakovsky’s Clone Wars and the Transformation of the Jedi, comes to talk to US! COME ON!

We talk about the definining relationships between Jedi as mediative monks versus badass power fantasy. We talk about Parmen's fascist dictatorship within the context of 2024. We talk about Plato's Stepchildren's famous KISS. And animation is a medium, not a genre.

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Aspen watches Genndy Tartakovsky's Clone Wars for the first time. Kenny geeks out at how visually clever it is.

Also, The Omega Glory is an exercise in how to pat yourself on the back for being a great American. It is certainly a week for TV.

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We talk about Attack of the Clones being both reactionary filmmaking and REVOLUTIONARY filmmaking. Aspen talks about the infantilization of women and how Kirk Drift might be wrong.

Also, we talk about how RedLetterMedia accidentally ruined all film criticism.

Oh, and Aspen ranks the 15 best outfits in Episode II #slaysenatorslay

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This week, we watched an episode of a popular sci-fi franchise that was about a phantom menace co-opting a charismatic figurehead to allow fascism to spread across the galaxy.

But enough about Patterns of Force from Star Trek!

We also litigate how sassy Spock is.  And how hot Nimoy is without his shirt.

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This week, "Risk is our business!"

Aspen loves the ending changes of Return of the Jedi. Kenny points out this week's human propaganda of Return to Tomorrow. We talk about being complicit in empire (both being residents of the U.S. and of the Empire). And Kenny talks about Lucas messing with the Special Edition leading to "this is not my Star Wars."

And Kenny makes Aspen cry by repeating a point she made in an earlier episode.

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Aspen and Kenny dive into the depths of proxy wars and American jingoism. Are we the baddies, they ask? And the answer is yes, yes we are.

They're also joined by dead and made up guests alike, including Jeff Trekworthy, Irvin Kershner, the Lucas himself, and Francine the Popcorn Lady. What an ep, folks.
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MACLUNKEY!

Kenny gives a tiny history lesson about where Star Wars comes from and how it takes a village to make a movie.

Meanwhile, Aspen REALLY likes the episode where the Enterprise fights a Space Amoeba™ (thanks in part to her boyfriends).

And we dive deep into the Great Man Narratives™ with Gene Roddenberry and ESPECIALLY George Lucas as the Special Edition serving as major historical revisionism. Can he ever be stopped?!

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Party Ewok/Malani the Warrior (Star Wars: Ewoks) vs. A Piece of the Action (Star Trek: TOS)

We've finally finished Ewoks!

Aspen can't get enough of Drut's & Bothel's accents in Malani the Warrior. And Kenny can't get enough of fizzbin! And the gangster episode of Star Trek. Aspen talks about cultural humility. And we finally close the book on this chapter of Star Wars.

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The Gamesters of Triskelion (Star Trek: TOS) vs. Battle for the Sunstar (Star Wars: Ewoks)

Ewoks meet the Empire!

This week, we talk about all the cool ships in Battle for the Sunstar. Aspen litigates iterations of Gamesters of Triskelion. And we also poke holes in Great Man narratives.

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The Trouble with Tribbles (Star Trek: TOS) vs. Just My Luck/Bringing Up Norky (Star Wars: Ewoks)

Aspen and Kenny talk Star Trek bureaucracy, the excellent origin of the Tribbles script, shenanigans and luck, and how much they HATE the Ewoks character Norky.
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Wolf in the Fold (Star Trek: TOS) vs. Horville's Hut of Horrors/The Tragic Flute (Star Wars: Ewoks)

Fear! Fear will keep the podcast in line. Fear of these 3 episodes, since Jack the Ripper is on the Enterprise. And Wicket took the Woklings to the Hut of Horrors. And also Latara lies, getting dragged to the depths of Endor. We talk mysticism in relation to exotic cultures (and women). And we also talk about how both franchises depict women as just being WAY more scared.

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Aspen and Kenny go out of control on the implication of Senate Commandos. Kenny goes out of control on the two (TWO!) directors for The Tholian Web. 

And Aspen goes out of control on the logos, pathos, and ethos of this week's Trek.

Also Uhura. 

It's out of control.

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Obsession (Star Trek: TOS) vs. Prow Beaten/Baga's Rival (Star Wars: Ewoks)

This week, both shows tackle shame. Kenny talks about plot motivation versus character motivation. Aspen talks about a lack of consequences for characters. And did you know that Obsession is a ReTeLLInG oF mObY dIcK?!!?

Also, Kenny keeps updating the sound board.

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The Deadly Years (Star Trek: TOS) vs. The Season Scepter (Star Wars: Ewoks)

Aspen & Kenny talk about age-ism and how Deadly Years sabotages its own heroes. Kenny mentions the superb sequel to Deadly Years, To Serve All My Days. Aspen talks about discussions of apathy being "cool" and emotion as "feminine". So, y'know...a normal episode!

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It's a competition of second chapters with Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan VERSUS Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back!

Kenny and Aspen are joined by noted Ron Howard lookalike (and good friend) Ryan Hill to discuss his personal experiences watching these two films in the theater when they premiered. We also explore questions like: Do Jedis really embrace Buddhist philosophy? How can stories help us deal with the uncertainty of the world? And why the heck does Ryan like Rise of Skywalker?

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Friday's Child (Star Trek: TOS) vs. Hard Sell/A Warrior and a Lurdo (Star Wars: Ewoks)

Three mid episodes. Aspen talks about cultural relativism versus cultural absolutism. Kenny talks about a writerly POV becoming diminished. And we both struggle to talk about this week's episode of Ewoks.

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Journey to Babel (Star Trek: TOS) vs. Gone With The Mimphs / The First Apprentice (Star Wars: Ewoks)

The word "iconic" gets thrown liberally. We talk about Linda Woolverton and D.C. Fontana. Kenny talks about Spock as a reflection of post-WWII masculinity. Aspen talks about how amazing the Mimphs are. And we get silly.

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Metamorphosis (Star Trek: TOS) vs. Night of the Stranger (Star Wars: Ewoks)

Surprise! Aspen likes scary things. Which is one of the big reasons she loves Night of the Spirit. She correctly identifies Ewoks as the Goonies of Star Wars. Meanwhile, Kenny leads the charge on the muddled themes of Star Trek this week.

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I, Mudd (Star Trek: TOS) vs. The Totem Master/A Gift for Shodu (Star Wars: Ewoks)

We are delighted by both episodes. But Aspen has an existential breakdown that causes us to spiral and talk about Mando-verse and NüTrek.

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Catspaw (Star Trek: TOS) vs. The Raich (Star Wars: Ewoks)

Two Halloween episodes. Don't know how it happened, but both episodes are Halloween episodes. And we recorded this in October.

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The Doomsday Machine (Star Trek: TOS) vs. Home is Where the Shrieks Are/Princess Latara (Star Wars: Ewoks)

Three episodes about being consumed by ego!

Aspen goes on the record about child brides. We talk about muddled themes in Doomsday Machine. Kenny talks about the Shatner/Nimoy relationship. Also, we talk about Larry.
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The Apple (Star Trek: TOS) vs. The Crystal Cloak/The Wish Plant (Star Wars: Droids)

Ewoks re-pilots itself for S2! And Star Trek reheats a whole bunch of old episodes into a casserole of an episode.

Aspen gets grossed out at this episode's preoccupation with The Apple wanting all the followers of Vaal to have sex. Kenny contextualizes how NBC could let a Soviet onboard the Enterprise. And we talk about 1960s sex appeal and the female vs. male gaze.

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Patrick Cotnoir (The George Lucas Talk Show)!!! comes to defend Jar-Jar. 

Kenny goes on about how Star Trek fans are freaks. We collectively talk about how Star Wars fans are freaks. Patrick tells Aspen about Tag and Bink. And we (possibly) put Brotherwatch to an end.

Also how are we even supposed to remember this Star Trek ep title? Petition to rename the episode.

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Mirror, Mirror (Star Trek: TOS) vs. The Great Heep (Star Wars: Droids)

We've finished Droids!

Aspen thinks The Great Heep (the episode and the character) is deeply terrifying. We dive deep into the unusually gendered KT-10 astromech droid. We also dive deep into the gender politics of Mirror, Mirror and the contradiction that is Star Trek. Kenny also talks about the I.S.S. Enterprise and how cool it is.

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Kirk Drift by Erin Horáková
http://strangehorizons.com/non-fiction/columns/freshly-rememberd-kirk-drift/

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The Changeling (Star Trek: TOS) vs. Asha (Star Wars: Ewoks)

Aspen loves The Changeling more than 2001.

Also, Aspen and Kenny think that Asha is a GREAT episode of TV. Kenny marvels at the design of Nomad. Aspen points out ThAt OnE sHoT in The Changeling that creates all of the tension.

And we talk about how both episodes happen to be about lost outsiders returning home.PATREON BONUS: Aspen LOVES the movie Bottoms. Kenny hasn't seen it, but he has started reading Splinter of the Mind's Eye. We also talk improv beef.





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Aspen LOVES Dave Filoni's Ahsoka show. Kenny thinks it is so bad, it's offensive. Together, they both have an existential crisis. Listen to them break apart in this follow-up to our Holdo Maneuver appearance.

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This week Mike and Marc are joined by returning guests from Trek Wars, Aspen Webster⁠, and Kenny Madison to recap the first two episodes for the series premiere of the Disney+ Original Series ⁠AHSOKA⁠!

Part 1: "Master and Apprentice"
Part 2: "Toil and Trouble" (Livestreaming on August 24th, 2023)

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The wonderful (dad joke telling) Holdo Manuever boys asked Aspen to guest for their Ahsoka recap episode this week! In preparation for the new Ahsoka series, they explore who Ahsoka was, who she became, what she will be, and why Aspen loves her so gosh-dang much. Truly, Aspen loses their mind.

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PALETTE CLEANSER!

Aspen & Kenny talk about a film with a protagonist reckoning with its legacy, having to see their own flaws and recognize that they accidentally enabled a fascistic entity that could lead to the end of everything.

But enough about Barbie.

Also, Kenny talks about Trolls Band Together.

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Who Mourns for Adonais? (Star Trek: TOS) vs. The Frozen Citadel (Star Wars: Droids)

Kenny reveals how old Auren Yomm is. Aspen reacts appropriately.

Aspen god-splains to us by pointing out all the inconsistencies of this week's Star Trek. Kenny also digs into the humanism of Roddenberry and how that fits in to an episode about a literal god. And these episodes have weirdly common themes, which we're tickled by.


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Amok Time (Star Trek: TOS) vs. Ewoks: The Battle for Endor (Star Wars)

We start S2 of Star Trek TOS in style - with our friend Marc Vibbert and Michael Sawran from The Holdo Maneuver Podcast. This epic episode digs deep into guests' relationships with both Star Wars and Star Trek.

Mike and Mark also suffer through Ewoks: The Battle for Endor. Kenny and Aspen talk about Vulcan culture and its synthesizing of "alien" cultures to Western society. We also get into the making of Ewoks: The Battle for Endor and the Wilford Brimley of it all.

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Operation: Annihilate! (Star Trek: TOS) vs. Blue Harvest (Star Wars: Ewoks)

Aspen and Kenny go off on toxic heteronormativity. Also, there are flying space raviolis.

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The City on the Edge of Forever (Star Trek: TOS) vs. Across the Roon Sea (Star Wars: Droids)

Aspen and Kenny talk about the difficulty of writing Edith Keeler. Aspen expands on the lovely trope of found family in both Trek and Wars this week. Kenny talks about Kirk finally finding peace, then having to give it up. And we talk about the truly affecting scene of Old Ogger in Droids.

We also debut our new character, Millennial Walter Cronkite.

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We're pro-union in a huge way.


Emily and Kelly (from the Delusions of Grandeur podcast) join us this week to talk about labor and economics in the Star Wars and Star Trek universe.

Emily and Kelly talk about how Han Solo is a stay at home dad.

Kenny talks about aesthetics in Star Wars (big surprise). And Aspen explains 401k's to Kenny.


Also, Kenny doesn't like Thrawn. 


#YourBrainThoughtsAreMyBrainThoughts

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The Alternative Factor (Star Trek: TOS) vs. The Three Lessons (Star Wars: Ewoks)

Kenny goes deep into the making of The Alternative Factor. Aspen points out basic themes to Kenny about The Three Lessons. And we somehow manage to talk about what both episodes mean to the viewpoints of the properties.

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Errand of Mercy (Star Trek: TOS) vs. The Roon Games (Star Wars: Droids)

This week, we have two episodes about PROXY WARS. Aspen attempts to come for Kenny's job as a researcher. Kenny talks about the...hem...INTERESTING politics of the Klingons and the Organians. And Aspen explains the drainsweeper game.

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The Devil in the Dark (Star Trek: TOS) vs. Wicket's Wagon (Star Wars: Ewoks)

This week, we may have gone too far. Kenny draws out the parallels of industrialization wrecking both the Horta and Endor. Aspen talks how both eps main characters hold true to their values.

Also, Chief Chirrpa is a Mussolini analog.

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This Side of Paradise (Star Trek: TOS) vs. Tail of the Roon Comets (Star Wars: Droids)

Aspen struggles with the notion of struggling in This Side of Paradise. Kenny talks about what makes something FEEL like Star Wars. And both our hosts love this episode of Droids.

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