In this compelling episode of Think Inclusive, host Tim Villegas engages in an enlightening conversation with Elizabeth Bonker, a prominent advocate for non-speaking individuals. Elizabeth shares her inspiring journey of becoming a voice for non-speakers through typing. Despite the communication barriers she faced, Elizabeth emerged as a powerful force in advocating for inclusivity in education and society.

Elizabeth discusses the challenges non-speaking students encounter in schools, particularly the prevalent resistance to recognize typing as a legitimate communication method. She compares typing to Braille for the blind or sign language for the deaf, advocating for its integration into educational settings as a civil rights issue. The episode delves into Elizabeth's personal experiences, emphasizing the significant impact of presuming competence. She underscores the necessity of educational reform to facilitate access to typing for non-speakers, advocating for a shift in perception that acknowledges their potential.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/podcast-episode-template-title/

In this riveting episode of Think Inclusive, host Tim Villegas delves into the intricacies of educational inclusivity and innovation in California, spotlighting the transformative EmbraceAbilities project. This initiative is spearheaded by Marcia Reily and Kristen Danhour Stanke, two educational specialists from the Los Angeles County Office of Education. Their mission is to reshape how the educational system supports students with extensive needs, encouraging a shift from segregated learning environments to fully inclusive classrooms.

Marcia and Kristen share essential insights into the ongoing journey of the EmbraceAbilities project. Originally funded by the California Department of Education, this initiative aims to empower county offices of education with frameworks and tools to advance inclusive practices. The discussion underscores the significance of “extensive support needs” and how Marcia and Kristen, through statewide engagement and site visits, have co-created solutions that reflect the unique challenges and triumphs of individual counties. From professional development to family engagement, the episode covers critical strategies and real-world applications driving change for students with disabilities.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/embraceabilities-inclusive-education/

About the Guest(s):

Jani Kozlowski is a renowned early childhood professional, boasting over 30 years of experience. She is an accomplished author and speaker, serving as a technical assistance specialist and consultant. Jani focuses on supporting the development of young children and their families, with expertise in early childhood disability services, learning environments, and social-emotional development. She currently leads initiatives at the Frank Porter Graham Child Development Institute, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill. Jani is the author of "Every Child Can Fly: An Early Childhood Educator's Guide to Inclusion" and its family-oriented companion, "Empowering Your Child to Fly."

Episode Summary:

In this compelling episode of Think Inclusive, host Tim Villegas engages Jani Kozlowski, a notable expert in early childhood inclusion, in a discussion about advocating for inclusive education for young children with disabilities. The episode begins with Jani sharing personal insights on the importance of inclusion for preschool children, emphasizing that early inclusion sets a positive trajectory not only for children with disabilities but also for their peers without disabilities. Her approach to this often daunting prospect for families highlights strategies that aim to demystify special education processes and the legal foundations surrounding inclusion.

This episode delves deep into the practical aspects of advocating for and implementing inclusive education practices. Jani discusses her recent adaptation of "Every Child Can Fly" into a version for families, illustrating her dedication to making vital information accessible to parents. Through interviews with 15 families, Jani brings authenticity and emotional depth to the conversation, offering real-world strategies for navigating special education systems. Emphasizing a long-term vision for inclusion, Jani articulates the significance of forging robust partnerships between families and educators, underscoring the myriad benefits of fostering inclusive learning environments.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/unlocking-inclusive-strategies-empower-every-child-to-fly/

Key Takeaways:

-Early childhood inclusion sets the foundation for a child's future educational trajectory, impacting both those with and without disabilities.

-Understanding the legal frameworks and rights surrounding special education is crucial for parents advocating for their children's inclusive education.

-Building strong relationships between families and teachers facilitates collaboration and problem-solving, crucial for achieving successful inclusion.

-A clearly defined vision for a child's educational journey empowers families and guides school teams in decision-making processes.

-Leveraging supportive networks and existing resources, like OSEP-funded parent centers, can enhance advocacy efforts and access to inclusive placements.

Resources:

Jani's website: https://everychildcanfly.com/

Parent Center Hub: https://www.parentcenterhub.org/

Forget Me Not Documentary: https://forgetmenotdocumentary.com/

CADRE: https://cadreworks.org/

Thanks to our sponsor, IXL: https://www.ixl.com/inclusive

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Luvy Jenkins is the Education Manager and Medical Outreach Manager at the Down Syndrome Association of Central Texas (DSACT). With a background in special education, Louie is passionate about promoting inclusion and providing resources and support to educators and families of children with Down syndrome.

Luvy Jenkins, Education Manager at the Down Syndrome Association of Central Texas (DSACT), discusses the importance of inclusion in education and the barriers that families face in achieving inclusive education for their children with Down syndrome. Luvy highlights the need for support and training for teachers, as well as the role of school administrators in promoting inclusion. She also shares her experience working at the RISE School, an inclusive preschool that values diversity and fosters social-emotional growth in all students.

Complete shows notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/luvy-jenkins-down-syndrome-association-of-central-texas-dsact/

Oaklee Thiele is a young artist and disability advocate. She co-founded The My Dearest Friends Project with DisArt in March 2020 to create a public platform where disabled people could share their stories and experiences during the COVID-19 pandemic.

Lawrence Carter-Long is the Director of Communications for DisArt and has a background in disability advocacy. He joined the organization in 2022 and has been instrumental in expanding the reach and impact of The My Dearest Friends Project.

Oaklee and Lawrence discuss The My Dearest Friends Project and its connection to the Nothing Special campaign. The project was created to provide a platform for disabled people to share their stories and experiences during the COVID-19 pandemic. The hashtag #NothingSpecial was developed to challenge the idea that inclusive education is something special and should be the norm. The project aims to collect stories from disabled students and educators to create a curriculum that promotes inclusive education. Oaklee shares her personal experience of facing ableism and inaccessibility at her college, highlighting the need for change in educational institutions. Lawrence emphasizes the importance of listening to disabled people and involving them in the decision-making process to create truly inclusive environments.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/oaklee-thiele-and-lawrence-carter-long-the-my-dearest-friends-project/

Beth Liesenfeld (she/her) — Occupational therapist and founder of The IEP Lab, where she equips parents with “insider” understanding of school processes and culture to make IEP teams more collaborative and child‑centered. She hosts The Parent IEP Lab podcast and offers online workshops and courses for families navigating special education.

Host Tim Villegas talks with Beth Liesenfeld about why IEP meetings often feel inequitable and exhausting—and how a clear vision statement can re‑center teams on inclusive, practical plans that actually support students. They unpack what makes collaboration work (and fail), including communication habits, paraprofessional training, and making specialized instruction happen in general education through real co‑planning time. Beth offers a step‑by‑step way to craft long‑ and short‑term vision statements, plus tips educators can use to advocate for inclusion—even when families or districts are hesitant.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/beth-liesenfeld-the-parent-iep-lab/

Raul Krauthausen is a renowned disability rights activist, social entrepreneur, and founder of the nonprofit organization Sozialhelden (Social Heroes) in Germany. For more than 15 years, Raul has worked to advance accessibility and inclusion through innovative projects and advocacy. He is best known for creating Wheelmap, a crowdsourced online map that identifies wheelchair-accessible places worldwide, and for his campaigns challenging discriminatory laws and practices in Germany.

Raul is also a prolific communicator—blogger, podcaster, and author—who uses media to shift perceptions about disability. His work spans technology, design thinking, and social change, with a focus on ensuring that inclusion is recognized as a fundamental right, not a privilege. Through initiatives like Broken Lifts (real-time elevator status for public transport) and media guidelines for journalists, Raul continues to push for systemic change and equal opportunities for people with disabilities.

In this episode, Tim Villegas talks with Raul Krauthausen, a German disability rights activist, founder of Sozialhelden (Social Heroes), and creator of Wheelmap, a crowdsourced map for accessible places. Raul shares his journey from attending one of Berlin’s first inclusive schools to becoming a leading advocate for accessibility and inclusion in Germany. The conversation explores cultural differences between the U.S. and Germany regarding inclusion, the role of acceptance, and why inclusion is not “happy land” but a continuous process of learning and equity.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/raul-krauthausen-inclusion-in-germany/

Susan Stone — Attorney and co-leader of the Student & Athlete Defense Group at KJK in Cleveland. Susan has over 30 years of experience advocating for students, with a focus on special education law and student discipline. She’s also a nationally published author and co-host of Real Talk with Susan and Kristina.

Kristina Supler — Attorney and co-leader of the Student & Athlete Defense Group at KJK. Kristina represents students in academic misconduct and Title IX cases nationwide. She’s passionate about protecting student rights and co-hosts Real Talk with Susan and Kristina.

In this episode, Susan Stone and Kristina Supler share what it’s like to advocate for students with disabilities navigating academic and disciplinary challenges. From IEPs and 504 plans to Title IX cases and college misconduct proceedings, they explain why inclusion requires more than good intentions—it demands real systems of support. They also discuss how their podcast tackles tough parenting and student issues.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/susan-stone-and-kristina-supler-real-talk/

Colleen Tomko — Parent advocate, artist, and president of Kids Together, an all-volunteer nonprofit promoting inclusion. A Penn State graduate and Partners in Policymaking alum, Colleen has dedicated her life to ensuring that all children, including her son Shawn, have access to inclusive education and community life.

In this episode, Tim Villegas talks with Colleen Tomko about her lifelong advocacy for inclusive education and community belonging. From founding Kids Together to creating powerful advocacy cartoons, Colleen shares her personal journey, the systemic barriers families face, and why inclusion is a civil rights issue—not just an educational choice.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/colleen-tomko-kids-together/

Mirko Chardin is the Chief Equity & Inclusion Officer at Novak Education. He previously served as the founding Head of School at Putnam Avenue Upper School in Cambridge, Massachusetts. He co‑authored Equity by Design: The Power and Promise of UDL with Dr. Katie Novak and facilitates learning on topics such as implicit bias, microaggressions, Universal Design for Learning (UDL), restorative practices, identity, and courageous conversations about race.

In this conversation, Mirko Chardin urges educators and leaders to reclaim the narrative around “equity” by grounding it in clear, shared definitions and everyday practice—what he calls “concept stabilization.” He argues that school is for kids, not adults, and that listening to learner voices and removing barriers must guide decisions at every level. The episode also explores UDL as a framework (not a bag of tips) for building cultures where all learners can become expert learners, supported by leadership that prioritizes humanity, reflection, and authentic impact.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/mirko-chardin-reclaiming-the-narrative-around-educational-equity/

Dr. Kate de Bruin — inclusive education academic at Monash University (Melbourne, Australia). Her work focuses on evidence‑informed practices and policies that improve participation and learning for all students, with an emphasis on students with disabilities. She has taught in secondary and higher education, designs inclusive education coursework for Master’s programs, and serves on the academic advisory board of All Means All – The Australian Alliance for Inclusive Education.

Tim and Kate unpack how Australia’s highly decentralised education systems shape inclusion, why segregated “special schools” and units persist, and what accountability gaps mean for students with disabilities. They also dig into Kate’s classroom story—rallying a whole staff to create accessible texts and explicit writing supports—and the mindsets, coaching, and MTSS‑style approaches that help inclusion work in real classrooms.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/dr-kate-de-bruin-inclusive-education-in-australia/

AZ Chapman is a writer, athlete, and disability advocate from California. Diagnosed with cerebral palsy as a toddler, AZ has navigated life with determination and resilience. She earned her bachelor’s degree in Liberal Studies with a minor in Special Education from California State University East Bay. AZ is also a passionate Special Olympics competitor, having participated in events like swimming, track, basketball, soccer, bocce, bowling, and golf. Her new children’s book, Cerebral Palsy Party, introduces elementary school students to peers with CP in an accessible and engaging way.

In this episode, Tim Villegas interviews AZ Chapman about her debut children’s book Cerebral Palsy Party, which aims to educate young students about cerebral palsy and promote inclusion. AZ shares her personal journey through education, the challenges she faced in middle and high school, and her aspirations to become a special education teacher. The conversation also touches on the importance of kindness, accessibility, and advocacy for people with disabilities.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/az-chapman-cerebral-palsy-party/

Tim Villegas from the Maryland Coalition for Inclusive Education connects with Simone Morris and Julie Kratz, hosts of the Inclusion School podcast, to explore the intersection of inclusive schools and the diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) space. They discuss the importance of DEI initiatives in schools, strategies for allyship with marginalized groups, and the significance of addressing racism, sexism, homophobia, and ableism with children. They delve into the societal and educational challenges of promoting inclusion and belonging, with insights into disability and diversity awareness in educational settings.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/julie-kratz-and-simone-morris-inclusion-school/

About the Guest(s):

Jen Newton is an Associate Professor at Ohio University with a dedicated career in inclusive education spanning 25 years. Her expertise encompasses anti-racist, anti-ableist education, early childhood inclusion, and inclusive teacher preparation. Beginning her career as an early interventionist and inclusive pre-kindergarten teacher, Dr. Newton now focuses on teacher education, inclusion consulting, and research. She actively contributes to local, regional, and national discussions on advancing inclusive education practices.

Episode Summary:

In this episode of Think Inclusive, hosted by Tim Villegas, the spotlight is on Dr. Jen Newton's insights into the challenges of preparing educators for including students with diverse learning needs in general education classrooms. With decades of experience in inclusive education, Dr. Newton provides a critical analysis of the current gaps in teacher preparation and the need for an inclusive pedagogical approach.

This conversation delves into the systemic limitations that hinder the effectiveness of inclusive practices in education. Tim and Jen outline practical strategies for empowering both general and special education teachers to adapt and modify curricular materials effectively. They argue for comprehensive teacher training focusing on modifications, accommodations, and a deeper understanding of learners with extensive support needs. The dialogue also touches on the political aspects, revealing how educational policies and legislative agendas shape the current state of inclusion in schools. As key legislation remains outdated, the discussion underscores the urgency for updated educational policies that reflect current understandings of disabilities and mental health.

Complete show notes + transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/why-we-need-to-blend-general-and-special-education-training/

Key Takeaways:

-Understanding the current lack of comprehensive inclusive training provided to general educators and advocating for collaborative teaching practices.

-Addressing the political landscape and its influence on inclusive education and teacher preparation frameworks.

-The significance of inclusive licenses for teachers, which integrate general and special education training.

-How a focus on collaboration between teachers can facilitate effective adaptations to accommodate diverse learning needs.

-The impact of federal and state educational policies on practical inclusion efforts in schools.

Resources:

Jen website: https://www.teachingisintellectual.com/

Books Mentioned:

"Wolf at the Schoolhouse Door" by Jennifer Berkshire and Jack Schneider

"Troublemakers: Lessons in Freedom from Young Children at School" by Carla Shalaby

"Demystifying Disability" by Emily Ladau

Podcast Mentioned: Have You Heard hosted by Jennifer Berkshire and Jack Schneider

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Gage Robinson is a 19-year-old college student at Dakota County Technical College in Rosemount, Minnesota. He’s a passionate self-advocate who fought for his right to inclusive education and now shares his story to inspire others. Gage runs a nonprofit called Gage Gives Back, where he educates about traumatic brain injury and shaken baby syndrome, and supports organizations that helped him succeed. He’s also a public speaker who has presented at regional, national, and international conferences.

In this episode, Gage Robinson shares his journey from being segregated in a self-contained classroom to advocating for his right to attend college alongside his peers. We talk about his due process battle with his school district, his testimony at the Minnesota State Legislature, and what inclusive higher education looks like for him today.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/gage-robinson-a-self-advocacy-story-2/

Carolyn Kiel is a corporate instructional designer and the host of Beyond 6 Seconds, a podcast that spotlights neurodivergent and disabled entrepreneurs, creators, and advocates. She’s a late‑identified autistic adult who uses her platform to share first‑person stories that challenge stereotypes and expand understanding.

In this conversation, Tim talks with Carolyn about why she started Beyond 6 Seconds, how the show’s name pushes back on snap judgments, and what led her to focus the podcast on neurodiversity. Carolyn shares her journey to a late autism diagnosis, the relief of having language for lifelong experiences, and the habits that help her regulate and work (yes to stim and fidget tools). Together, they dig into what inclusion really looks like: listening first, trusting people’s lived experience, and offering practical accommodations without gatekeeping. For educators, Carolyn’s core message is simple—learn from neurodivergent adults and presume competence, especially for nonspeaking students who may need different communication supports. Listeners will leave with concrete ways to shift classroom mindsets and amplify authentic neurodivergent voices.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/carolyn-kiel-beyond-six-seconds-2/

Alma Zaragoza‑Petty (she/her) — Mexican American activist, scholar, and podcast host; author of Chingona: Owning Your Inner Badass for Healing and Justice. She advises and counsels first‑generation, low‑income students and teaches equity-focused coursework to working professionals at USC, with a personal and scholarly focus on intergenerational healing.

Alma Zaragoza‑Petty shares how reclaiming the word “chingona”—once used to silence Latina women—can fuel personal healing and collective justice. She unpacks intergenerational trauma, practical steps for healing (acknowledgment, memory work, retelling our stories, and forgiveness), and how educators and mentors can change trajectories for students who have been underserved.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/alma-zaragoza-petty-unpacking-intergenerational-trauma-and-healing-2/

Hilda Bernier — Educator with a special education license and bilingual extension who has taught mostly integrated co‑teaching classes (and some self‑contained high‑school classes). As a parent, she describes how evaluation reports and an early IEP meeting pushed against inclusion for her son, Emilio, and how seeing the Henderson Inclusion School shifted her perspective on what’s possible.

Olivier Bernier — Filmmaker and father who turned the camera on his family to make Forget Me Not, documenting their fight for inclusive education in New York City and the realities of IEP meetings. He aims to spark wider conversations about inclusion and accessible schooling for all learners.

Tim talks with Hilda and Olivier Bernier about their documentary Forget Me Not, which follows their son Emilio’s path into school and their push for inclusion within a segregated system. They discuss what went wrong in early evaluations and IEPs, what good inclusion looks like, and how Emilio is thriving today in a fully included kindergarten.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/hilda-and-olivier-bernier-forget-me-not-documentary-2/

Ryan Wilson is the founder and director of Team Trust Productions, a disability‑led media company that partners with mission‑driven organizations to tell authentic stories of people with disabilities. He launched Team Trust after an early documentary project (“Seeing With Trust”) and now works with nonprofits and higher‑ed institutions to make marketing more accessible and inclusive. Ryan lives with Osteogenesis Imperfecta and speaks from lived experience about access, belonging, and representation.

Tim Villegas talks with Ryan Wilson about what authentic disability representation looks like—and why it matters in schools, higher education, and media. They dig into common pitfalls (the “inspiration” trope), practical fixes (accessibility in video and web, ASL, real stories), and how personal connections with students change outcomes.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/ryan-wilson-team-trust-2/

Mary Beth Moore — Author of Unwanted: Fighting to Belong and founder/executive director of The Advocacy Underground. She studied political science and criminal justice at UNC Charlotte, served in the U.S. Marine Corps, worked as a DoD intelligence analyst and later as a marketing leader. She uses storytelling to make special education law and research accessible to families and educators. She’s also Gavin’s mom.

When school leaders say yes to inclusion, everything changes. In this conversation, Mary Beth Moore shares how her son Gavin—who has Down syndrome, is nonverbal, and is still working on early literacy and numeracy—thrives in a fourth‑grade general education classroom because a principal chose to welcome him and build support. She contrasts that with systems that default to no, explores why implementation (not new law) is the bottleneck, and offers practical ways families and districts can move from conflict to collaboration. The through‑line: inclusion isn’t about meeting grade‑level benchmarks—it’s about belonging, support, and leadership willing to try.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/mary-beth-moore-unwanted-2/

Cheryl Green is an access artist who’s spent a decade creating creative, immersive captions and five years crafting audio description, drawing on lived experience with chronic illness and invisible disabilities. She’s collaborated with disability‑focused organizations including Superfest International Disability Film Festival, Disability Visibility Project, and Kinetic Light; she’s also produced documentary films and makes (and transcribes) the storytelling podcast Pigeonhole.

Thomas Reid became blind in 2004 and reignited a long‑standing passion for audio. Selected as a “new voice scholar” by an association for independent radio in 2014, he launched Reid My Mind Radio, featuring compelling people impacted by blindness and disability—and, at times, reflective stories from his own life. He’s widely recognized for covering audio description and now narrates AD and other voiceover work.

Host Tim Villegas talks with Cheryl Green and Thomas Reid about storytelling by disabled creators, why medicalized “how it happened” narratives aren’t the only (or best) way to tell disability stories, and how to center community voice without objectifying guests. The conversation introduces Pod Access—a new effort bringing disabled podcasters and listeners together through a resource hub and companion podcast—while exploring language shifts, like Thomas Reid’s move from “vision loss” to “blind,” and the importance of owning one’s story. They close with messages for educators about believing and following the lead of students with invisible disabilities and chronic illness, and a reminder that what teachers say can shape a student’s self‑concept for years.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/cheryl-green-thomas-reid-pod-access-2/

Katie Novak is an internationally recognized education consultant, author of 11 books, graduate instructor at the University of Pennsylvania, and former assistant superintendent in Massachusetts. With over 20 years of experience in teaching and administration and a doctorate in curriculum and teaching, Katie specializes in Universal Design for Learning (UDL), Multi-Tiered Systems of Support (MTSS), and universally designed leadership. She designs and delivers workshops nationally and internationally to help educators implement inclusive practices.

Katie Novak breaks down what UDL really is—and isn’t—by centering three ideas: the dynamic variability of learners, firm goals with flexible means, and growing expert learners who can co-design their own paths. She clarifies how UDL (first-best, proactive design) fits alongside differentiated instruction (responsive grouping) and specially designed instruction (individualized supports), including for students with extensive support needs. The conversation also tackles common misconceptions about “choice,” rigor, and equity, and offers practical starting points so overwhelmed educators can move one step forward without trying to “do it all” at once.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/katie-novak-udl-now-2/

Michael Giangreco is a University Distinguished Professor Emeritus of Special Education at the University of Vermont and is affiliated with the UVM Center on Disability and Community Inclusion. He’s authored over 200 publications, presented across the U.S. and internationally, and is known for the “Absurdities and Realities of Special Education” cartoon collection, created to spark reflection and change in inclusive education.

Tim talks with Michael about why many schools over-rely on paraprofessionals for inclusion and how that can unintentionally create dependency, block peer relationships, reduce teacher ownership, and limit access to qualified instruction. Michael offers a simple shift: teachers take instructional ownership, special educators co-plan and co-facilitate, and paraprofessionals support the teachers (not attach 1:1 to students), all within inclusion‑oriented schools using natural proportions. They close with the story behind Michael’s cartoons and why humor and candor help the field move forward.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/michael-giangreco-on-the-overreliance-of-paraprofessionals-to-implement-inclusive-education-2/

Melissa Defayette — Third‑year PhD student in Special Education at the University of Maryland; advanced to candidacy in Fall 2022. Her research focuses on designing and implementing math interventions for students with moderate to severe disabilities in general education settings aligned to grade‑level content. She previously taught special education in Maryland for about seven years and has co‑authored three articles with a research team led by her advisor, Dr. Yakubova.

Note: In the interview (recorded early 2022), Melissa describes being a second‑year PhD student preparing for candidacy; she later achieved candidacy in Fall 2022.

Tim and Melissa dig into the gap between research and classroom practice in inclusive education—why we have decades of evidence for social and communication benefits but far less on academic outcomes for students with extensive support needs. They talk candidly about teacher mindsets, alternate assessments, and shifting from chasing “the standard” to measuring growth, and Melissa shares how a middle‑school moment first pushed her toward inclusion advocacy.

Complete notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/melissa-defayette-transitioning-from-teacher-to-researcher-2/

About the Guest(s):

Brilly Semenova: Brilly is a passionate advocate for individuals with disabilities, having started her advocacy journey during her middle school years. She is based in Maryland but operates nationally, providing resources and support to families and individuals. Her focus covers education, employment, social skills, and legal guidance for navigating benefits for people with disabilities.

Nisha Batra: Nisha is a dedicated Early Childhood Educator and passionate disability advocate. She was recently honored with the King Charles III Award in recognition of her impactful advocacy work. Nisha firmly believes that normalizing differences empowers individuals and fosters a more inclusive and equitable society.

Episode Summary:

In this enlightening episode of Think Inclusive by Tim Villegas, inclusion advocates Brilly Semenova and Nisha Batra share their profound insights and personal journeys in promoting inclusive practices for individuals with disabilities. Brilli recounts her experiences from initiating mentorship programs in middle school to providing comprehensive resources for families navigating educational and legal systems. Her story emphasizes the importance of inclusivity in fostering supportive environments for individuals with different abilities.

Nisha Batra brings a unique perspective with her background in early childhood education and her personal experience with a learning disability. She discusses the critical importance of celebrating diversity within educational settings and normalizing differences among students. By sharing her journey and professional insights, Nisha highlights the potential transformation inclusion can bring about in educational settings, fostering an environment where every student feels supported and valued.

Complete show notes + transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/empowering-inclusion-advocates-share-stories-and-strategies/

Key Takeaways:

-Brilly Semenova illustrates the need for mentorship and guidance programs for young individuals with disabilities to promote self-advocacy and inclusive environments.

-Nisha Batra emphasizes the significance of acknowledging and celebrating diversity in classrooms, advocating for normalization of differences among students.

-Both advocates highlight the necessity for educational and societal systems to be readily inclusive, moving towards environments that support diverse learners without needing them to 'be ready' first.

-The conversation underscores the challenges and opportunities found within advocacy, highlighting the transformative power inclusion holds at both individual and systemic levels.

-Practical examples of advocacy efforts and successful inclusion practices are discussed, showcasing real-world applications.

Resources:

Helpipedia: https://helpipedia.org/

Nisha's Instagram: @TheSwanTransformation: https://www.instagram.com/theswantransformation/

Thank you to our sponsor, IXL: ixl.com/inclusive

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Temple Grandin, PhD — Professor of Animal Science, Colorado State University Dr. Grandin is a renowned author and advocate whose work bridges animal welfare, education, and neurodiversity. She’s written multiple New York Times bestsellers—including Animals in Translation, Animals Make Us Human, The Autistic Brain, and Thinking in Pictures—and her life story was portrayed in the HBO film Temple Grandin starring Claire Danes.

In her newest book, Visual Thinking, she argues that schools and industries undervalue “object visualizers” like herself, calling for the return of hands‑on classes and practical pathways so visual thinkers can thrive—skills she ties directly to real‑world innovation and workforce needs.

Dr. Temple Grandin explains why “visual thinking” matters for students, workplaces, and society—making the case that removing shop and other hands‑on classes has created a skills gap while screening out talented visual thinkers with algebra‑heavy requirements. She shares simple, low‑cost design fixes (from airport accessibility to animal‑welfare audits) and outlines how exposure, mentoring, and flexible pathways help all learners—especially autistic students—build meaningful careers.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/dr-temple-grandin-visual-thinking-2/

Ashley Barlow — Special education attorney practicing in the Greater Cincinnati area (licensed in Kentucky and Ohio), parent and self‑advocate, former K–12 German teacher, and host of Special Education Advocacy with Ashley Barlow. She runs Ashley Barlow Company, which offers reasonably priced resources and digital courses for parents and advocates, and serves as Director of Education at the National Down Syndrome Congress. 1

Tim Villegas — Host of Think Inclusive and Director of Communications at the Maryland Coalition for Inclusive Education (MCIE). A former special education teacher of 16 years, Tim founded Think Inclusive to learn, connect with self‑advocates and educators, and share practical stories about authentic, supported inclusion.

This crossover conversation flips the script: Tim Villegas and Ashley Barlow interview each other about what authentic inclusive education looks like and how to advocate for it—practically, legally, and system‑wide. They unpack how dear colleague letters and policy documents can strengthen IEP advocacy, why placement, membership, participation, and learning must all be present for inclusion to be real, and how “perfectly imperfect” is a healthy mindset for doing the work. They also spotlight district‑level systems change grounded in implementation science and share real‑world examples (like Cecil County Public Schools) where “general education first” is the norm.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/ashley-barlow-perfectly-imperfect-advocacy/

Jay Ruderman is the President of the Ruderman Family Foundation, a philanthropic organization dedicated to inclusion, diversity, and social justice. A lifelong social justice activist, Jay has championed disability rights and worked to hold the entertainment industry accountable for authentic representation. He also hosts the podcast All About Change, which highlights stories of activism and resilience.

In this episode, Tim Villegas talks with Jay Ruderman about his journey as an activist, the evolution of the Ruderman Family Foundation, and the fight for authentic representation of people with disabilities in media. They explore how advocacy strategies can influence systemic change, the power of storytelling, and why allyship is essential for creating a more inclusive society.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/jay-ruderman-all-about-change/

Debbie Taub — TASH board member and technical assistance provider with the TIES Center, a national TA center focused on building inclusive systems for students with the most significant cognitive disabilities. Also brings a parent perspective as a mom advocating at the IEP table.

Diane Ryndak — Professor at the University of North Carolina at Greensboro; co‑chair of TASH’s Inclusive Education Community of Practice (CoP), former TASH board member, and affiliated with the TIES Center on inclusive practices and policies.

Mary Fisher — Faculty at Lewis University (Romeoville, IL); co‑director of the TASH Inclusive Education CoP and long‑time TASH member since 1977. Focuses on teacher preparation and practical ways schools move toward inclusion.

Members of the TASH Inclusive Education Community of Practice break down what fully inclusive schools look like and how to get there—moving from “one student at a time” fixes to systemic change at school, district, and state levels. They highlight presuming competence, high expectations, explicit communication instruction, and clear placement in general education as non‑negotiables, and point listeners to tools (like TIES Center’s RISE/IER) that help teams reflect and plan.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/tash-characteristics-of-fully-inclusive-schools/

Charmaine Thaner is an inclusion advocate and founder of Collaborative Special Education Advocacy. She’s a former self‑contained special education teacher who became a general education teacher for 15 years, and now works alongside families and schools to make inclusive education real. She also hosts the long‑running Facebook Live series The Art of Advocacy.

Her path runs from Slippery Rock State College in the 1970s, to early work in Colorado schools, to serving as an education specialist with the PEAK Parent Center (Colorado’s PTI). As a parent, she and her husband advocated for full inclusion for their son, Dylan, who has Down syndrome—from community preschool through college—experiences that shape her practical, relationship‑first approach today.

Charmaine launched her advocacy business (originally Visions and Voices Together, now Collaborative Special Education Advocacy) to blend lived experience and professional know‑how and to stand with families in meetings when communication and trust have broken down.

In this episode, Tim Villegas talks with Charmaine Thaner about what it really takes to move inclusion from idea to everyday practice. Charmaine traces her journey from self‑contained teaching to general education and district collaboration, and then to parent‑advocacy after her son Dylan was born—highlighting why “relationships, relationships, relationships” are the three R’s of effective advocacy.

They dig into the rise, stall, and renewal of inclusive education, Dylan’s fully included path (including auditing classes at the University of Colorado - Colorado Springs with support from allies on campus), and the hard truth that some schools still isolate students despite paper “inclusion.” Charmaine shares when to ask for help, how to keep it collaborative (and when to escalate), and why broader coalitions—parents, self‑advocates, and educators—are pushing for changes like ending seclusion and restraint and implementing UDL with fidelity.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/charmaine-thaner-the-art-of-advocacy/

Kanwal Singh — former Director of the Vishwas school (India) and author of Hanging On: A Special Educator’s Journey into Inclusive Education (published in 2020). She began her career in 1988 at the Spastic Society of Northern India and has spent more than three decades moving from special education to integration to inclusion. Currently, she consults with the UK-based Enabling Education Network, supporting inclusive education and teacher training programs in Ethiopia and Uganda.

Kanwal Singh shares her journey from leading special schools to building a fully inclusive model at Vishwas in India—removing labels, simplifying language, and centering the idea of “all students together.” She explains why teacher preparation often teaches inclusion in theory but defaults to special-ed practices in reality, and what it takes to sustain inclusion: aligned people, systems, and funding.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/kanwal-singh-inclusive-education-in-india/

Russ Ewell — Founder of E‑soccer and Digital Scribbler; CEO of Hope Technology Group; host of the Lead Different Podcast; and father of children with disabilities. His inclusion journey began when his eldest son was born with Down syndrome, which led him to create inclusive sports programs so kids with and without disabilities could play together.

When Russ Ewell saw his son segregated in youth sports, he built a different model—launching E‑soccer to bring kids together on the same field. In this conversation with Tim Villegas, Russ unpacks what inclusive leadership looks like: empathy, compassion, emotional intelligence, and the humility to keep learning. They also discuss the everyday “micro‑moments” that either build or undermine inclusion (like at a coffee shop), and why culture—not just programs—determines whether people gain independence or remain isolated. Tim closes by sharing his own path from psychology student to inclusive educator, sparked by a classroom observation and strengthened by planning around student strengths.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/russ-ewell-inclusive-leadership/

Meg Grigal — Researcher and program leader at the Institute for Community Inclusion, University of Massachusetts Boston, where she directs multiple federally funded projects that expand access to higher education for people with intellectual disability (ID).

Cate Weir — Project Coordinator for the Think College National Coordinating Center at UMass Boston; she supports colleges nationwide and has led the ongoing build‑out of the Think College website and resource ecosystem.

Host Tim Villegas speaks with Meg Grigal and Cate Weir from Think College about why inclusive higher education is both possible and powerful for students with intellectual disabilities—even for those who didn’t experience strong K–12 inclusion or who don’t hold a “regular” high‑school diploma. They outline how programs typically use an alternative admissions path, focus on authentic campus life (academics, internships, social life, sometimes residential), and award meaningful non‑degree credentials aligned to career goals.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/meg-grigal-cate-weir-inclusive-higher-education-for-people-with-intellectual-disabilities/

Jani Kozlowski is a Technical Assistance Specialist with the Early Childhood TA Center at the Frank Porter Graham Child Development Institute (University of North Carolina–Chapel Hill). She previously served as the inclusion lead for the Office of Head Start’s National Center on Early Childhood Development, Teaching, and Learning, and is the author of Every Child Can Fly: An Early Childhood Educator’s Guide to Inclusion.

In this episode, Jani Kozlowski makes a compelling case that inclusive early childhood programs set the trajectory for belonging and learning throughout K–12 and life. She shares research-backed benefits for children with and without disabilities, unpacks the defining features of inclusion (access, participation, supports), and explains why the biggest barriers are often beliefs and habits—not laws or funding. Jani also offers practical ways to prepare educators, partner with families, and design environments where every child can learn to “fly”—in their own way.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/jani-kozlowski-early-childhood-inclusive-education/

Dr. Ross Greene is the New York Times bestselling author of Lost at School and Raising Human Beings. He developed the Collaborative and Proactive Solutions (CPS) model, a framework for supporting children with challenging behavior by focusing on problem-solving rather than punishment. Formerly on the faculty at Harvard Medical School for over 20 years, Dr. Greene is now the founding director of Lives in the Balance, a nonprofit offering free resources on CPS.

In this episode, Tim Villegas talks with Dr. Ross Greene about why schools need to shift from focusing on student behavior to addressing the underlying problems causing that behavior. They explore how the CPS model works, why traditional behaviorist approaches fall short, and how educators can create more equitable and inclusive environments for all learners.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/dr-ross-greene-using-collaborative-and-proactive-solutions-to-support-the-behavior-of-all-learners/

About the Guest(s):

Nicole Eredics is a seasoned expert specializing in inclusive education, boasting over 25 years of experience in the field. Armed with degrees in elementary and special education, Nicole began her career as an inclusion teacher in British Columbia, Canada. She is the founder of the Inclusive Class and has been instrumental in implementing inclusive systems in over 150 schools across the United States since 2008. Also an esteemed author, her best-selling book "Inclusion in Action" is a vital resource for educators aiming to foster inclusive educational settings. Currently, Nicole offers her expertise as a national presenter and trainer for the Bureau of Education and Research, as well as an education and ed-tech consultant.

Episode Summary:

In this engaging episode of Think Inclusive, host Tim Villegas is joined by inclusive education expert Nicole Eredics. Eredics offers valuable insights into fostering inclusive education practices within school systems. The episode kicks off with an exploration of Nicole's rich history in education and her journey from advocating for inclusion in Canada to transforming schools across the United States. As the discussion unfolds, Nicole shares her experiences working with school districts, highlighting the advancements made in personalized instruction and the integration of technology to support diverse student needs. The conversation also delves into the complexities of standardized testing, the role of co-teaching models, and the substantial influence educators have on crafting positive educational experiences for all learners.

As the dialogue deepens, Eredics underscores significant changes in education, particularly the growing emphasis on individual student needs and diversity awareness. These changes have sparked an evolution in instructional practices, the use of universal design for learning (UDL), and the availability of resources enhancing teachers' capabilities. However, Nicole also sheds light on the enduring challenges, like the rigidity of standardized systems and the struggles of grading students with varying needs. Offering tactical advice, she encourages educators to begin with small, manageable changes, such as observing their current classroom practices, while leveraging technology and collaboration to enhance their inclusive teaching methods.

Complete show notes + transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/empowering-educators-navigating-inclusive-education-challenges-and-opportunities-with-nicole-eredics/

Key Takeaways:

-Inclusive education requires a nuanced understanding of personalized instruction and the commitment to supporting diverse learners within the general education classroom.

-Recent advancements highlight increased awareness of diversity and personalized instruction among educators, yet challenges like standardized testing and rigid grading systems remain barriers.

-Co-teaching and Universal Design for Learning (UDL) are increasingly being embraced as vital components of inclusive educational practices.

-Technology, particularly AI, is transforming how educators tackle customized learning needs, offering streamlined solutions for adapting lessons and teaching approaches.

-Effective inclusive systems are bolstered by insightful leadership from administrators who understand and value inclusive practices.

Resources:

Nicole's book: https://amzn.to/3GdExBr

Visit Nicole's website: https://www.theinclusiveclass.com/

Thanks to our sponsor, IXL: ixl.com/inclusive

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Dr. Mona Delahooke is a licensed clinical psychologist with over 30 years of experience supporting children and families. She is a senior faculty member at the Profectum Foundation and a member of the American Psychological Association. Dr. Delahooke is the author of Beyond Behaviors: Using Brain Science and Compassion to Understand and Solve Children’s Behavioral Challenges and Brain-Body Parenting. Her work focuses on translating neuroscience into practical strategies for parents and educators to better understand and support children’s emotional and behavioral development.

In this episode, Tim Villegas talks with Dr. Mona Delahooke about moving beyond traditional behavior management systems like charts and rewards. They explore why behaviors should be seen as signals rather than targets, the importance of relational safety, and how understanding the brain-body connection can transform parenting and teaching. Dr. Delahooke introduces practical tools like the “check-in” process and explains why co-regulation—not punishment—is key to helping children thrive.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/dr-mona-delahooke-beyond-behavior-charts-and-positive-reinforcement/

Mazey Eddings is an author and dentist who identifies as neurodivergent (anxiety since childhood; ADHD and autism diagnosed later). She’s on a personal mission to destigmatize mental health and write “love stories for every brain.” She also proudly claims the title of stage mom to her cats, Yaya and Zedi.

Host Tim Villegas talks with Mazey Eddings about neurodiverse representation in romance, the visceral reality of anxiety as portrayed in her debut novel A Brush with Love (set in dental school), and how stories can help readers see mental health with greater empathy. They discuss internalized shame and ableism, sexism in clinical training, and the trial‑and‑error of supporting a partner with anxiety—while reaffirming romance’s promise of hard‑won happy endings.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/mazey-eddings-neurodiverse-representation-in-books/

Liz Weintraub — Senior Advocacy Specialist at the Association of University Centers on Disabilities (AUCD); host of the monthly YouTube series Tuesdays with Liz: Disability Policy for All, where she breaks down complex policy terms and bills so everyone can understand and advocate. She’s interviewed legislators and has produced 200+ short episodes over ~5–7 years.

Kenneth Kelty — Motivational speaker and disability advocate with the Carolina Institute for Developmental Disabilities (UNC); graduate of Western Carolina University’s University Participant (UP) inclusive postsecondary program; host of Exceeding Expectations with Kenneth Kelty, a podcast featuring trailblazers (with and without disabilities) focused on empowerment, inclusive postsecondary education, and competitive employment. His show has covered stories like B3 Coffee (NC) and an international perspective on disability from Ireland.

Host Tim Villegas talks with Liz Weintraub and Kenneth Kelty about why they create content as a form of advocacy—Liz to make disability policy plain-language and actionable, and Kenneth to amplify lived experiences and self‑determination through podcasting. They share memorable moments (like explaining congressional recess in everyday terms and highlighting inclusive employment via B3 Coffee) and where listeners can find their work.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/liz-weintraub-kenneth-kelty-using-content-creation-for-disability-advocacy/

DJ Nicholson is an experienced educator and advocate for inclusive education. She has a background in special education and has worked with students with disabilities for many years. DJ is passionate about finding innovative ways to support learners with disabilities and believes that technology, including AI, can play a crucial role in creating inclusive learning environments.

In this episode, DJ Nicholson and Tim Villegas discuss the use of artificial intelligence (AI) in supporting learners with disabilities. They explore the potential benefits of AI in leveling text and making reading more accessible for students with different reading abilities. They also discuss the challenges and opportunities of using AI in the classroom, as well as the importance of individualized learning and student choice. The conversation highlights the need for educators to embrace AI as a tool to enhance learning experiences and promote independence for students with disabilities.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/bonus-using-ai-to-support-learners-with-disabilities-in-the-classroom/

Adam Walker and Sanjay Parekh are the co-founders of https://togetherletters.com, a platform designed to help people stay connected without relying on social media. Both are seasoned entrepreneurs and podcasters—Adam co-hosts Tech Talk Y’all, and Sanjay brings years of experience in tech and community building. Together, they’re passionate about creating tools that foster authentic, private connections.

In this bonus episode, Tim talks with Adam Walker and Sanjay Parekh about Together Letters—a simple, email-based way to keep groups connected without the noise of social media. They share why they built it, how it works, and why it’s a game-changer for educators, teams, and anyone craving authentic connection.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/bonus-together-letters/

About the Guest(s):

Jeiri Flores is a Puerto Rican disability rights activist based in Rochester, New York. After earning her bachelor's degree in Sociology and African American Studies from SUNY Brockport in 2014, she pursued a master's in Human Development at the University of Rochester. As a passionate advocate for disability rights, Jeiri shares her insights on inclusion, disability, and intersectionality at colleges and conferences, aiming to enlighten and inspire change. Her mission is to empower disabled youth to redefine societal narratives around disability.

Episode Summary:

In this episode of Think Inclusive listeners are introduced to the compelling story and advocacy journey of Jeiri Flores, a dynamic disability rights activist. Jeiri opens up about the relentless challenges faced by disabled individuals, particularly highlighting the dehumanization and isolation embedded within societal and systemic structures. Through engaging storytelling, she discusses the critical role of love and belonging in fostering truly inclusive communities and delves into how these spaces can transform by acknowledging the humanity of every individual.

Throughout the conversation, Jeiri reflects on her advocacy's roots, nurtured from a young age while translating for her family, and how her practices have evolved over time. Key themes such as navigating healthcare systems, societal expectations, and the perpetual need for systemic change are explored. Jeiri also emphasizes the power of sharing personal narratives, not only as a form of advocacy but as a way to bridge connections between diverse experiences. As she navigates topics like love, belonging, and her intersectional identity, Jeiri provides a rich tapestry of insights that resonate deeply with educators, advocates, and anyone passionate about disability rights and inclusion.

Complete show notes + transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/the-power-of-storytelling-in-disability-rights-with-jeiri-flores/

Key Takeaways:

• Authenticity and vulnerability are essential in effective advocacy, as they help build deeper connections and understanding.
• Navigating healthcare and societal systems poses significant challenges for disabled individuals, often leading to stress and self-segregation.
• Inclusion spaces thrive on recognizing every individual's humanity and embracing differences, with love serving as a guiding principle.
• Storytelling in advocacy can be a powerful tool for raising awareness and encouraging systemic change.
• The importance of engaging diverse voices in decision-making processes, particularly those directly affected by the outcomes.

Resources:

Jeiri on Insta: https://www.instagram.com/dangerously_gifted/

Jeiri on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeiri-flores-b7bb3651/

Jeiri's story about her mom: https://youtu.be/bq62Q7Cg85g?si=Il5zrhoH74ZcYRaa

Thank you to our sponsor, IXL: https://www.ixl.com/inclusive

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Rasheera Dopson — Author, disability justice activist, researcher, and MPH student at Morehouse School of Medicine whose work explores the intersection of race, gender, and disability. She founded Beauty With a Twist in 2016 to build community among women and girls with disabilities and hosts the WomanHood & Disability podcast, creating a safe, intersectional space that bridges disabled and non‑disabled audiences.

Host Tim Villegas welcomes Rasheera Dopson to talk about why she launched the WomanHood & Disability podcast and what it means to live at the intersection of womanhood and disability. Rasheera shares how moving from writing to podcasting pushed her to articulate lived experiences—like ableism and health disparities—in ways that invite both vulnerability and community. The conversation covers how she mixes solo episodes with interviews, uses cultural moments (e.g., Black History Month) to frame topics, and keeps the door open for allies while centering disabled voices. She also reflects on internships (including with Sen. Jon Ossoff’s office and AAPD), her goals in disability policy, and what’s ahead for Season 2, from body positivity to Black disability and intersectionality.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/rasheera-dopson-womanhood-and-disability-podcast/

Matt (he/him) — Disability advocate (legal name withheld in the episode), graduate of Wake Forest University, podcaster, and independent contractor. He lives with cerebral palsy and discusses the tightrope of earning income while maintaining essential Medicaid benefits. He also co-hosts the actual‑play Dungeons & Dragons podcast With Rolls and No Luck under the alias “Samurai Fooks.”

Shirene Hayes (she/her) — Chief Encouragement Officer and creator of Super MEro and The Code, an SEL resource for schools. She’s an award‑winning author, keynote speaker, serial entrepreneur, world traveler, and mother of two grown sons; she champions the “each one, teach one” mindset and the “power of one.”

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/matt-from-with-rolls-and-no-luck-shirene-hayes-creator-of-super-mero/

Ira Eidle (Decatur, GA) is an autistic self‑advocate and curator of Autistic Archive, a growing collection that preserves and teaches the history of the neurodiversity movement. He earned a B.A. in Theater & Performance Studies from Kennesaw State University, completed the 2020 Autism Campus Inclusion program with the Autistic Self Advocacy Network (ASAN), and founded the student group Neurodivergent Advocates of Kennesaw. He currently interns at The Hirsch Academy and is passionate about documenting movement history so educators and advocates can learn from past wins—and missteps.

Cameos in this episode: Bryan Nance, a barista at Independent Grounds (Kennesaw, GA), shares how meaningful, inclusive work has improved his life and skills; Tim Villegas hosts.

Host Tim Villegas talks with Ira Eidle about the origins and evolution of the neurodiversity movement and why he created Autistic Archive to make that history accessible. They explore early listserv culture, seminal sites like Autistics.org and Neurodiversity.com, and recurring debates inside the movement—centering the question “who’s in control?” of spaces, services, and narratives about autistic people.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/ira-eidle-autistic-archive/

Haley Moss (she/her) — autistic attorney, author, artist, and advocate based in Miami, Florida. Known as Florida’s first openly autistic attorney, Haley now works as an educator and consultant to corporations and nonprofits on neurodiversity and disability inclusion, and is a frequent commentator on disability rights. Her books include Great Minds Think Differently, Neurodiversity for Lawyers and Other Professionals, and The Young Autistic Adults’ Independence Handbook. Earlier works include Middle School: The Stuff Nobody Tells You About and A Freshman Survival Guide for College Students with Autism Spectrum Disorder.

What does independence actually mean for autistic young adults—and where does interdependence fit in? Haley Moss deconstructs the all‑or‑nothing notion of “doing everything by yourself,” offers practical life strategies (from grocery shopping to prescriptions), and lays out alternatives to guardianship with a strong emphasis on supported decision‑making. She closes with concrete ways educators can foster self‑advocacy at every age.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/haley-moss-autistic-independence/

Lisa Drennan — inclusion expert, trainer, consultant, and founder of Merge Inclusion Consulting. She draws on 37 years of leadership supporting people with disabilities and helps community organizations (like YMCAs, rec programs, camps, libraries, and faith groups) build inclusive cultures where everyone has a meaningful role.

Host Tim Villegas talks with Lisa Drennan about moving inclusion beyond schools and into community life—especially recreation spaces like YMCAs, summer camps, JCCs, Boys & Girls Clubs, libraries, and arts programs. They cover practical advocacy steps for families (start at the top, ask about barriers, and suggest training), the mindset shift from “we can’t” to “how do we get to yes,” and why inclusion must be an organization‑wide commitment, not a one‑off program or single staff role. Lisa also shares a free toolkit she authored with The Arc of Massachusetts to help community organizations spark authentic friendships between people with and without disabilities.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/lisa-drennan-inclusive-recreation/

Alida Miranda-Wolff is the CEO and founder of Ethos, a consultancy firm specializing in Diversity, Equity, Inclusion, and Belonging (DEIB) transformation. She is notable for her book, "Cultures of Belonging: Building Inclusive Organizations that Last," which explores strategies for fostering inclusive environments. Alida's background spans higher education at the University of Chicago, non-profit work in immigrant and refugee rights, and a pioneering role in venture capital as one of the first Latina directors. She has taught at the University of Chicago, Northwestern University, and General Assembly, cultivating a deep understanding of DEIB initiatives. Through Ethos, Alida aims to innovate and apply DEIB strategies that resonate with modern organizational dynamics.

In this insightful episode of the Think Inclusive Podcast, Tim Villegas engages Alida Miranda-Wolff, the CEO of Ethos and author of "Cultures of Belonging," to delve into creating inclusive educational environments. With a focus on diversity, equity, inclusion, and belonging (DEIB), Alida explains how organizations, particularly schools, can foster a culture of belonging for both students and teachers. Tim and Alida discuss how identity and personal experiences shape one's approach to DEIB work, drawing from Alida's diverse career background in higher education, nonprofit, and venture capital sectors.

Throughout the conversation, Alida emphasizes the importance of belonging as a core psychological need and describes her approach to building inclusive cultures, which hinges on the three R's—relationships, resources, and reciprocity. For schools, this means creating meaningful connections and ensuring educators are supported and fairly compensated. Alida also addresses the issue of value misalignment within educational institutions and how teachers can navigate these challenges. Practical strategies for fostering belonging among educators are discussed, encouraging teachers to build their micro-cultures and seek community support, even in misaligned systems.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/alida-miranda-wolff-building-inclusive-organizations-that-last/

King Williams — Atlanta-based journalist and filmmaker who traces CRT’s history, explains how cases like Dred Scott and Plessy v. Ferguson reveal the gap between what is legal and what is moral, and describes how groups like the United Daughters of the Confederacy shaped school narratives in the South.

Alida Miranda-Wolff — CEO and founder of Ethos, clarifies what CRT is (and isn’t), outlines core tenets (race as a social construct; racism embedded in institutions; the role of counter-storytelling; and the critique of colorblindness/meritocracy), and shares how intersectionality and systems-thinking inform practical DEIB work.

Eddie Fergus — Professor of Urban Education Policy at Temple University who teaches a doctoral seminar on CRT and connects historical/legal context to today’s school equity debates, noting why “when you’re accustomed to privilege, equity feels like oppression.”

Pete Newlove — High school English teacher and doctoral candidate at the University of Colorado Denver who describes on-the-ground effects of anti‑CRT politics in schools and how educators navigate backlash, book bans, and board-level power shifts.

Featuring a clip from Cecelia Lewis — A school leader whose experience became entangled in anti‑CRT rumors; she shares a powerful inclusion story about moving a student with significant behavioral support needs into general education.

Host Tim Villegas explores how the anti‑CRT movement is spilling over into K–12 and threatening broader educational equity efforts—including disability inclusion. With insights from King Williams, Alida Miranda-Wolff, Eddie Fergus, and Pete Newlove, the episode clarifies what CRT actually is, how it’s being mischaracterized, and what practical steps educators can take to keep inclusion moving forward.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/what-inclusionists-need-to-know-about-the-anti-crt-movement/

Diana Pastora Carson is an educator of 30+ years who has taught at both the elementary and university levels. She’s a consultant and trainer on disability and diversity, a board alum of Disability Rights California and current board member of Disability Voices United. She hosts the Beyond Awareness: Disability Awareness That Matters podcast and is the author of Beyond Awareness: Bringing Disability into Diversity Work in K–12 Schools and Communities and the children’s book Ed Roberts: Champion of Disability Rights.

Diana is also a fierce sibling advocate. Her brother Joaquin spent 15 years in institutional settings after years of aversive “behavior” programs and harmful medication protocols. Diana and her family fought to bring him home into supported living on rural property designed for his safety and choice—what they lovingly call “Joaquinified.”

Host Tim Villegas talks with Diana Pastora Carson about her family’s journey to free Joaquin from an institution and what true inclusion requires in schools and communities. They unpack why typical “disability simulations” miss the point, and why presuming competence, prioritizing communication access, and removing societal barriers are the real drivers of inclusion. The episode closes with how Diana’s Beyond Awareness work gives educators concrete, research‑informed steps that honor disabled people’s voices.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/diana-pastora-carson-beyond-awareness/