Grizabella was the wrong cat to die. After seeing CATS the Musical for the first time in July of 2016, podcast host Mike Abrams was filled with a whirlwind of emotions. He was amused, confused, and a little angry. Almost exactly three years later when the 2019 CATS movie trailer came out, Mike had enough. It was time to speak his truth – Grizabella was the wrong Cat to Die at the Jellicle Ball. In this podcast, Mike interviews CATS cast members, CATS superfans, CATS haters, and explores the backstories of the Jellicle characters all to make a case for why they were more worthy to ascend to the Heaviside Layer than Grizabella.Part of the Broadway Podcast Network.
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Ep279 - Korie Lee Blossey, Old Deuteronomy in 2025 Casa Mañana "Cowboy CATS"
Episode 279
Tuesday, November 10, 2026 • Duration 51:55
“Every cat is rehearsing a way to make themself shine.” This episode features Korie Lee Blossey who played Old Deuteronomy in Casa Mañana’s 2025 “Cowboy Cats” in Fort Worth Texas. Korie recounts early fandom through the soundtrack, clips, and the 1998 filmed version, plus repeated auditions where he was told he sounded too young. He discusses Cowboy Cats’ country-style ideas with Stockyards-inspired design, props, and Grizabella’s Mule Alley. Plus, Korie shares his experience in a John Oliver Cats spoof where he was credited as Old Deuteronomy.
01:44 Chasing Old Deuteronomy
04:17 Cowboy Cats
17:59 Wild West Stage Magic
21:56 Honesty Over Camp
27:27 John Oliver Cats Spoof
28:06 Ken Page Tribute Moment
33:11 Rapid Fire
Check out Korey on Instagram: @itsmekorielee
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Ep278 - Shelby Griswold, Understudy in CATS: The Jellicle Ball & Anne of Cleves in Six North America Tour
Episode 278
Tuesday, November 3, 2026 • Duration 56:10
“I was just so along for the ride.” This episode features Shelby Griswold who was an understudy in Cats: The Jellicle Ball at the PAC and is heading on the US National Tour of Six as Anne of Cleves. Shelby describes learning ballroom fundamentals, navigating improv versus set staging for a commercial musical, and creating her own movement material when covering tracks like Victoria. She shares how performing in revealing costumes and receiving an audience email about representation shifted her confidence and approach to work. Plus, Shelby and Mike cast the Six queens as Cats.
09:01 Casting Chaos
12:22 Learning Ballroom
20:42 Walking the Categories
32:36 Joining Six Tour
48:11 Rapid Fire
Check out Shelby on Social Media: @shelby__griswold
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Check out Six on Social Media: @sixustour
Check out Six's website: sixonbroadway.com/ustour
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Ep277 - Anne Beck, Director & Choreographer at 2026 Beef & Boards Production
Episode 277
Tuesday, October 27, 2026 • Duration 59:38
“ I have the characters who have a named song be their characters the entire show. And every time Munkustrap announces ‘the cat who will now be reborn and go back to a different Jellicle life’ I have those eight players stand up.” This episode features Anne Beck, director and choreographer of 2026 Beef & Boards Dinner Theatre’s CATS in Indianapolis and a former Bombalurina. Anne recounts first seeing CATS at the Winter Garden, joining a 2012 Gateway Playhouse production with Ken Page, and learning extensive character backstories from Jacob Brent through rehearsal “tea time.” She explains how she stages CATS by starting day one with feline movement and story, emphasizing clarity, forgiveness, chosen family, and Grizabella’s throughline. She contrasts directing in large venues like Ball State with the intimate Beef & Boards space, notes the show’s fast rehearsal demands, and shares favorite roles, songs, and performance details for first-time audience members.
01:15 First Encounter with CATS
03:15 Playing Bombalurina
16:25 Beef And Boards Immersion
21:05 Prepping First Timers
29:48 Relationships And Family Tree
35:45 Fast Rehearsal Process
37:01 Dinner Theater Audience
45:13 Rapid Fire
Check out Beef & Boards on Instagram: @beefandboards
Check out Beef & Boards' website: www.beefandboards.com
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Ep276 - Brett Evans, Kermit MaFrog
Episode 276
Tuesday, October 20, 2026 • Duration 58:43
“I felt like I owed it to the performers in The Jellicle Ball. Just because they changed the way I look at the world so I wanted people to have that experience.” This episode features Brett Evans, known online as Kermit MAFrog, to discuss becoming a CATS fan after initially viewing it as a “punishment,” discovering how different each production can be, and falling in love with the Jellicle Ball’s cast, intimacy, and audience interaction. Brett explains how he shifted from pursuing theatre to writing a poem a day for 10 years, then created his Jellicle Ball tribute videos to spotlight performers. He shares how his content began with viral Patrick Mahomes-as-Kermit sports videos before evolving into Muppets-meets-musical-theatre parodies.
05:33 Why The Jellicle Ball Hit Different
06:41 Poem a Day Origins
14:57 A Poem for The Wrong Cat Died
25:12 Kermit MaFrog Begins
28:12 Muppets Meet Musicals
36:51 Muppets Cats Dream Cast
43:51 Guilty Pleasure Showtunes
46:13 Rapid Fire
Check out Brett & Kermit on Social Media: @brettevansmafrog
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Ep275 - Dominik Hees, Rum Tum Tugger in German Tent Tour
Episode 275
Tuesday, October 13, 2026 • Duration 53:00
“Chrissie Cartwright asked me to do a pirouette and I didn’t know what it was.” This episode features Dominik Hees who played the Rum Tum Tugger on the German Tent Tour and later in the Vienna revival of CATS. Dominik shares how he was cast despite no formal training and initially not knowing basic dance terms, receiving private dance lessons, and learning to sustain eight or nine shows a week in extreme tent temperatures. He shares how choreography and staging were adapted to his strengths, why the role evolved for him from a boy-band energy to a sexier, stiller, more mature performance, and how working with Chrissie Cartwright, Gillian Lynne, and Trevor Nunn shaped different interpretations. He describes changing onstage relationships with Mistoffelees, Grizabella, Munkustrap, and Bombalurina over time, shares favorite characters and songs, and weighs who should be the Jellicle choice. Be sure to see him in his upcoming Beauty and the Beast production.
04:28 From Rock to Musicals
07:07 Learning the Jellicle Ball
12:47 Finding Tugger’s Story
26:59 Parenthood Changes Tugger
28:08 Tugger Relationship Map
36:31 Rapid Fire
Check out Dominik on Instagram: @dominik.hees
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Ep274 - Mark van Beelen, Mungojerrie on 2006 Dutch Tour
Episode 274
Tuesday, October 6, 2026 • Duration 01:10:31
“Gillian Lynne’’s version of CATS is very much a ballet. So if you really pay attention to her choreography, you see so many connections of why different cats respond differently to each other.” This episode features Mark van Beelen, who played Mungojerrie and covered Munkustrap in the 2006 Dutch tour of CATS. Mark recalls seeing CATS at age 10 at Amsterdam’s Royal Theatre Carré in an immersive, in-the-round setup that sparked his musical-theater passion, then traces his training at Fontys Dance Academy and learning Cats choreography from original Dutch cast creatives. He shares a standout audition story where he was nearly forgotten for final callbacks, then impressed the team by adapting to a revised Mungojerrie & Rumpleteazer song version. The conversation explores CATS’’ evolving choreography, music revisions, and modern licensing that encourages new concepts, including opinions on the 2016 Broadway revival and anticipation for a museum-themed Netherlands production.
00:49 Seeing CATS As A Kid
10:04 Audition Chaos and Callback
14:20 Song Variations
21:23 Why CATS Gets Reimagined
33:22 Building Characters in Rehearsal
39:36 Macavity Scare Story
41:00 Tradition vs New Versions
45:28 Rapid Fire
Check out Mark on Instagram: @badass.vegan.unicorn
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From The Vault: Emma Sofia, Skimbleshanks in Cats: The Jellicle Ball & Not Victoria in 2016 CATS
Tuesday, September 29, 2026 • Duration 55:03
From The Vault: Originally released on February 10, 2021, this was episode 35 with Emma Sofia discussing her very fun audition story for the 2016 Broadway Revival of CATS which was long before her time as Skimbleshanks on Broadway in the Jellicle Ball.
"My goal was not to be Victoria; it was just to be an a**hole and wear a white unitard." This episode dives into one of the grandest CATS audition you'll ever hear. Emma Sofia (Caymares), who starred on Broadway as Veruca Salt in the original cast of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and as Wendy in the original cast of Finding Neverland, discusses her infamous audition and how she always stays true to herself. Check Emma out on ABC's new sitcom Call Your Mother.
Check out Emma on Social Media: @emmasofiaokay
Check out CATS The Jellicle Ball: catsthejellicleball.com
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Ep273 - John Anker Bow, Gus on US National Tour 6 & Mr. Van Daan in Slam Frank
Episode 273
Tuesday, September 22, 2026 • Duration 50:18
“In a 4 show weekend, I did Peter, Bustopher, Deuteronomy, Gus, Deuteronomy.” This episode features John Anker Bow who played Gus on the US National Tour 6 of CATS and is returning in Slam Frank: The Musical, opening off-Broadway in October. John recounts first seeing CATS as a child on Broadway and later on VHS, his path from studying English and doing school musicals to working in theater education and auditioning professionally, and how CATS grew on him during a two-year tour shaped by original creative lineage. John then discusses Slam Frank’s satirical, edgy, timely humor, its sold-out downtown run, and its expanded Off-Broadway staging.
02:07 Choosing Theater Career Path
04:42 Auditioning CATS Tour
12:48 CATS Lore
16:08 Choreo Revival Athlete Talk
18:06 Wild Tour Stories
21:18 What To Expect at Slam Frank
40:39 Rapid Fire
Check out John on Instagram: @johnankerbow
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Check out Slam Frank The Musical on Social Media: @slamfrankmusical
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Ep272 - Antoine L. Smith, Swing on US National Tour 5 & Berry Gordy in MJ The Musical
Episode 272
Tuesday, September 15, 2026 • Duration 46:21
“CATS really showed me how important it was to be a team player and how to take care of each other on stage and off stage as much as you can.” This episode features Antoine L. Smith who was a swing on the US. National Tour 5 of CATS. Hear Antoine discuss his lifelong connection to the show after watching the VHS daily in college and becoming inspired by Ken Page’s Old Deuteronomy. Antoine describes auditioning via open call, joining a brand-new tour cast, and the intense self-driven work required of swings, including felinity coaching and learning multiple tracks like Old Deuteronomy, Bustopher Jones, and Gus. He shares his character backstory for Old Deuteronomy, his belief that Deuteronomy always knows the Jellicle choice, and a memorable mid-show emergency where he had minutes to get into intricate makeup and costume.
00:50 First CATS Obsession
08:29 Old Deuteronomy Backstory
09:48 Jellicle Choice Theory
12:39 Importance of Swings
16:52 Tour Chaos
24:49 Discovering The Jellicle Ball
36:27 Rapid Fire
Check out Antoine on Instagram: @antoinelsmith32
Check out MJ The Musical on Social Media: @mjthemusical
Check out MJ The Musical's website: newyork.mjthemusical.com
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Ep271 - Jaydon Vijn, Rum Tum Tugger in 2026 Regent's Park Open Air Theatre
Episode 271
Tuesday, September 8, 2026 • Duration 48:33
“We have this system that every cat in the show is on a different life out of the nine lives which is a really interesting way of thinking about it.” This episode features Jaydon Vijn who is currently performing as Rum Tum Tugger in Drew McOnie’s reimagined production of CATS at Regent’s Park Open Air Theatre in London. Jaydon shares his CATS fandom from dance college, why Tugger was always his dream role, and what the audition process revealed about the production’s choreography. He discusses how the revival feels like a fresh show while honoring the original, including storytelling focus, character “nine lives” backstories, and relationships onstage. Jaydon details Tugger’s dynamics with Bombalurina, Munkustrap, Old Deuteronomy, and a mentorship-style bond with Mistoffelees, plus his darker, more adult take on Tugger. An episode not to miss.
02:11 Rum Tum Tugger Dream Role
04:18 Reimagining a Classic
10:10 Building a Darker Tugger
11:44 Outdoor Theater Experiences
15:33 Costumes Makeup and New Look
17:44 Tugger’s Relationship Web
25:50 Favorite Show Moments
38:31 Rapid Fire
Check out Jaydon on Instagram: @jay.vijn
Check out CATS @ Regent's Park Open Air Theatre: openairtheatre.com/production/cats
Check out the CATS UK Tour: uktour.catsthemusical.com
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