Explore every episode of the podcast The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast
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| Ep 2: Mastering Email Metrics – How to Measure Your Program’s Success | TWBERP | 08 Oct 2024 | 00:36:09 | |
Subscribe to DTC Newsletter - https://dtcnews.link/signup "The purpose of the pod is to raise the bar on email throughout the industry." Welcome to The World's Best Email & Retention Podcast, hosted by Pilothouse's Jordan Gordon on the DTC Podcast Network. In this inaugural episode, we explore the fundamental metrics every email marketer needs to know. Jordan breaks down how to measure email program success by analyzing key metrics like open rates, click-through rates, and revenue attribution. Whether you're a beginner or a seasoned pro, this episode lays the foundation for mastering email metrics and boosting engagement. Timestamps: [00:00] Introduction and Welcome to the Podcast [02:00] The Importance of Engagement for Email Deliverability [05:00] How to Measure Email Program Success: Key Metrics to Track [12:00] Klaviyo vs. Google Analytics: Understanding the Differences [16:00] Common Email Marketing Mistakes and How to Avoid Them [22:00] How to Improve Open Rates and Click-Through Rates [29:00] The Role of Segmentation in Boosting Engagement [34:00] Closing Thoughts and What’s Next in the Series Hashtags: #EmailMarketing #RetentionMarketing #Klaviyo #EmailMetrics #OpenRates #ClickThroughRate #CustomerEngagement #EmailStrategy #InboxOptimization #EmailDeliverability #DigitalMarketing #EcommerceMarketing #SpamPrevention #RevenueAttribution #EmailSegmentation Work with Pilothouse: https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast Subscribe to DTC: https://www.directtoconsumer.co/ Listen to DTC Podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast | |||
| Ep 3: BFCM Email Strategies – What Works (and What Doesn’t) | TWBERP | 15 Oct 2024 | 00:26:23 | |
Get ready for Black Friday and Cyber Monday with Pilothouse's Jordan Gordon as he dives into the email and SMS strategies that drive serious sales during the busiest time of the year. In this episode, we explore why consistency is your best friend when crafting Black Friday emails, and why saying “40% off” for the sixth time isn’t just okay—it’s essential. Discover: How to segment your audience for maximum impact The surprising truth about customer purchase behavior during BFCM Why SMS is a game-changer for inbox competition Tips to turn your Black Friday buyers into loyal repeat customers Work with Pilothouse: https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast Subscribe to DTC: https://www.directtoconsumer.co/ Listen to DTC Podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast 00:00 - Intro: The importance of consistency in Black Friday messaging 01:30 - Who Are You Targeting? Understanding the different email interactions during BFCM 03:45 - The Power of Repetition: Why sending similar offers is essential for sales 06:00 - Optimizing for One-Time Openers: Focusing on those who purchase after opening just one email 09:00 - SMS Strategy: Using SMS to boost engagement during Black Friday 11:00 - Email Segmentation Tips: Separating buyers from prospects 14:00 - Subject Line Secrets: Crafting high-performing subject lines for launches and sales 17:00 - Engagement Strategies: How to handle Apple Privacy Opens 19:30 - Navigating the New Spam Rules: Preparing for tighter email filters this BFCM 22:00 - Post-BFCM Retention: Turning Black Friday buyers into repeat customers 24:00 - Quick Tips: Key takeaways to boost your Black Friday sales strategy #EmailMarketing #BlackFriday2024 #CyberMonday #BFCM #EmailStrategy #RetentionMarketing #SMSMarketing #EcommerceTips #HolidaySales #CustomerRetention #DigitalMarketing #EcommerceGrowth #EmailSegmentation #DTCBrands #MarketingPodcast | |||
| Ep 1: The Four Pillars of Effective Email Retention | TWBERP | 01 Oct 2024 | 00:30:59 | |
Welcome to TWBERP! In this episode of The World’s Best Email and Retention Podcast, we dive deep into the four essential pillars every email marketer needs to master for effective retention. Whether you’re just starting or optimizing your existing program, these strategies will help you drive higher engagement, boost repeat purchases, and maximize your subscribers' lifetime value. Tune in for actionable tips to elevate your email retention game.
[00:00:00] Introduction – Episode overview and what to expect. [00:02:15] Introduction to Email Retention – Why retention is more important than acquisition. [00:06:40] Pillar 1: Foundations – Laying the groundwork for a solid email strategy. [00:11:05] Pillar 2: Design – How email visuals play a critical role in retention. [00:17:30] Pillar 3: Performance – Structuring high-performance email campaigns that convert. [00:22:55] Pillar 4: Engagement – Creative ways to keep your audience engaged long-term. [00:28:45] Q&A Segment – Listener questions on email automation and personalization. EmailMarketing #RetentionMarketing #DigitalMarketing #EmailStrategy #CustomerEngagement #EmailCampaigns #MarketingTips #DTCMarketing #MarketingPodcast #EmailRetention #EmailDesign #EcommerceMarketing #BusinessGrowth #CustomerLoyalty | |||
| Ep 4: Retargeting Done Right – Boost Revenue with Post-Purchase | TWBERP | 22 Oct 2024 | 00:28:34 | |
In this episode of the World's Best Email and Retention Podcast, we dive into the art of retargeting done right. Discover how to boost your revenue by optimizing post-purchase email flows and turning one-time buyers into loyal repeat customers. From multi-channel strategies to specific email offers, we’ll show you how to craft highly targeted messages that drive sales. Plus, learn how to leverage cross-sell opportunities and personalized offers to keep your customers coming back. Tune in and unlock the full potential of your post-purchase emails to fuel long-term growth! [00:00:00] Introduction to Retargeting and Revenue Growth [00:01:30] Why Post-Purchase Emails Matter for Repeat Revenue [00:05:15] Multi-Channel Retargeting: Integrating Ads and Emails [00:09:45] The Power of Specific vs. Blanket Offers [00:14:20] How to Optimize Your Post-Purchase Flow [00:19:00] Cross-Selling Strategies to Maximize Profit [00:22:30] Creating Multi-Channel Campaigns for Post-Purchase [00:26:45] Key Takeaways and Revenue-Boosting Tips #EmailMarketing #RetentionMarketing #CustomerRetention #PostPurchaseEmails #EmailOptimization #DTCMarketing #eCommerceGrowth #DigitalMarketing #MultiChannelMarketing #RetentionStrategies #MarketingPodcast #LoyaltyMarketing Work with Pilothouse: https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast Subscribe to DTC: https://www.directtoconsumer.co/ Listen to DTC Podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast | |||
| BONUS EPISODE: US Election Results: What They Mean for DTC Growth and Margins | TWBERP | 07 Nov 2024 | 00:26:08 | |
In this episode, we dive into the U.S. election results and explore their potential impact on the DTC landscape. Join host Jordan Gordon as he breaks down 16 key market indicators and what these shifts could mean for your DTC business. From understanding how real median wage growth may benefit DTC buyers to exploring strategies to protect your margins amid anticipated tariffs, we’ll uncover actionable insights to help you adapt and thrive. Plus, learn how consumer psychology post-election could influence spending patterns—and how to position your brand to make the most of it. Whether you're looking to optimize your customer retention strategy or make smarter marketing moves, this episode is packed with data-driven guidance to boost your DTC growth. Don’t miss out—tune in to stay ahead in an evolving economic landscape. #DTCGrowth #ElectionResults2024 #MarketImpact #EcommerceInsights #MarginsAndTariffs #ConsumerPsychology #CustomerRetention #EmailMarketing #MarketingStrategy #USMarketTrends #EconomicOutlook #DigitalMarketing #DTCPodcast #DTCBrands #RetentionStrategies [00:00:00] Introduction [00:01:30] Market Reaction Overview: How the Election Results Impact DTC [00:03:00] Key Market Indicators: Understanding the Real Economy’s Response [00:05:00] Regional Banks & Small Caps: A Real Economy Boost for DTC? [00:07:30] Inflation Signals in Commodities: Bitcoin, Gold, Copper, and Oil [00:10:00] Understanding the Fear Trade and Market Stability Post-Election [00:12:30] Positive Signs for DTC: Wage Growth and Real Economy Insights [00:15:00] Consumer Psychology Post-Election: What it Means for Spending [00:20:00] Reactivation Strategies for Email Marketing Success [00:22:30] Tips for Converting Inactive Subscribers: No Address Left Behind [00:24:30] Navigating Tariffs and Protecting Margins for Your DTC Brand [00:26:00] Wrapping Up: Optimizing Repeat Buyers for Sustainable Growth [00:28:00] Closing Remarks: Why Now Is a Great Time to Invest in Marketing | |||
| Ep 6: The Inbox Has Changed: 2024 BFCM Game Plan + Safety Strategies | TWBERP | 05 Nov 2024 | 00:31:09 | |
In this episode of the World’s Best Email and Retention Podcast, we dive into how the inbox landscape has evolved—and what that means for your 2024 Black Friday Cyber Monday strategy. Join host Jordan Gordon as he shares insights into navigating this “new inboxing regime” with tips on frequency, segmentation, and deliverability that will help you stand out in a crowded inbox. From monitoring critical metrics to managing email cadences, we’ll cover the essentials you need to keep your emails hitting the mark during the holiday rush. Whether you're a seasoned marketer or gearing up for your first BFCM, this episode delivers a game plan to maximize engagement, keep subscribers happy, and boost results in the busiest shopping season of the year. Tune in to stay ahead of the curve and ensure your emails are set up for success! Hashtags: #EmailMarketing #BFCM2024 #BlackFriday #CyberMonday #EmailDeliverability #RetentionMarketing #EmailStrategy #InboxOptimization #EmailSegmentation #DTCMarketing #EcommerceTips #EmailMetrics #HolidayMarketing #MarketingPodcast #CustomerRetention Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro and Black Friday Email Frequency Caution 01:00 - Navigating the “New Inboxing Regime” for 2024 02:45 - Importance of Monitoring Deliverability Metrics During BFCM 04:00 - Avoiding “Set It and Forget It” with Real-Time Adjustments 05:15 - Why Over-Sending Could Backfire and How to Stay Safe 07:00 - How to Spot and Respond to Red Flags in Your Metrics 09:00 - Best Practices for Managing Email Cadence and Frequency 10:45 - The Power of Segmentation: Buyers vs. Prospects 12:00 - Creating the Ideal BFCM “Banger Segment” for Maximum Impact 14:30 - The Importance of Early Clicks and Capturing Share of Wallet 16:00 - How Email Performance Compares to Ads: Cost and Profitability 18:15 - Strategies for Driving Repeat Buyers and Boosting Lifetime Value 20:00 - How Economic Volatility Impacts Email Marketing 23:00 - Email Best Practices for First-Time vs. Repeat Buyers 26:30 - Preparing for BFCM Success: Monitoring and Adjusting in Real Time 28:45 - Sneak Peek: Upcoming Webinar and Periodic Table of Segmentation 30:00 - Closing Tips and Final Thoughts on BFCM Success Work with Pilothouse: https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast Subscribe to DTC: https://www.directtoconsumer.co/ Listen to DTC Podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast | |||
| Ep 5: Creating Desire Through Design: Filson’s Approach to Email Aesthetics | TWBERP | 29 Oct 2024 | 00:30:35 | |
In this episode, we dive into the art of creating email experiences that do more than just sell—they inspire. Join host Jordan Gordon as he explores how heritage brand Filson turns each email into a visual journey, using lifestyle photography, strategic design, and storytelling to craft an aspirational experience for their subscribers. We cover how Filson strikes the perfect balance between content-driven and conversion-focused emails, how they maximize engagement through VIP sign-ups and theme features, and why their approach to seasonal drops keeps customers coming back. Whether you’re an email marketer, brand owner, or design enthusiast, discover actionable tips to elevate your email strategy and create a more loyal audience. 00:00 — Intro 01:00 — The Role of Non-Conversion Emails 02:30 — Filson as a Case Study: Building a Visual Experience 05:00 — Making the Most of Your Best Shots 08:00 — Crafting Seasonal Drops 10:30 — Lifestyle vs. Product Focus: Striking a Balance 13:00 — VIP Sign-Ups: Building Long-Term Engagement 15:30 — Design Choices That Work Across Devices 18:00 — The Power of Theme Features 21:00 — Filson’s Take on Journal-Style Emails 24:00 — Closing Thoughts #EmailMarketing #BrandStrategy #EmailDesign #FilsonEmails #CustomerRetention #AestheticMarketing #LifestyleBrand #SeasonalDrops #VIPMarketing #ContentMarketing #VisualStorytelling #Podcast #MarketingTips #EmailStrategy #DigitalMarketing Work with Pilothouse: https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast Subscribe to DTC: https://www.directtoconsumer.co/ Listen to DTC Podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast | |||
| Ep 7: Email Like a Top Brand: Fresh, Flawless, Simple | TWBERP | 12 Nov 2024 | 00:32:21 | |
Want to elevate your email game? In this episode, we dive into what it takes to ‘Email Like a Top Brand’ by breaking down the key principles of freshness, flawlessness, and simplicity. From the mindset of excellence that top brands embody to the strategies they use for eye-catching designs, seamless automations, and high-value interactions, you’ll discover how to make your email program a retention powerhouse. Whether you're a solo entrepreneur or brand-side manager, you’ll get actionable insights to keep your audience engaged, loyal, and ready to buy. Tune in to learn how to build an email program that stands out and scales up! [00:00:00] Introduction [00:01:00] Importance of Fresh Designs - Why top brands update their look every season [00:02:00] Automations & Workflow Excellence - Building emails that are flawless and efficient [00:03:00] The Mindset of Excellence - Adopting a ‘good enough is not enough’ approach [00:04:00] Embracing Simplicity - Avoiding complex templates and focusing on clarity [00:07:00] Refresh & Repurpose - Strategies for keeping content new and relevant [00:08:00] Audience-Centric Programming - How top brands respect their audience’s time [00:10:00] Avoiding Over-Sending - Setting the right frequency for your emails [00:11:00] Automations Built to Last - Designing automations that stay relevant over time [00:13:00] Driving Repeat Business - Building relationships that keep customers returning [00:16:00] Multi-Channel Strategy - How email complements other brand touchpoints [00:18:00] Understanding Channel Migration - Using data to optimize email's role in the buyer’s journey [00:21:00] List Building & Reach - Growing your email list while keeping engagement high [00:25:00] Calculating Optimal Send Frequency - Finding the right balance for maximum impact [00:27:00] Wrap-Up & Key Takeaways - The essentials for emailing like a top brand #EmailMarketing #DTCBrands #BrandingTips #CustomerRetention #DigitalMarketing #EmailAutomation #MarketingStrategy #TopBrands #RetentionMarketing #EngagementTactics #EmailDesign #EmailStrategy #SimpleMarketing #MarketingExcellence #BusinessGrowth Work with Pilothouse: https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast Subscribe to DTC: https://www.directtoconsumer.co/ Listen to DTC Podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast | |||
| Ep 8: Email Fight Companion - Battle Of The Brands (Fashion) | TWBERP | 19 Nov 2024 | 00:59:59 | |
Get ready for a ringside seat at the ultimate email showdown! In this episode of The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast, host Jordan Gordon is joined by Dougie and Grayson for the Email Fight Companion - Battle of the Brands (Fashion). We pit top fashion brands like Anthropologie, Toms, Gucci, Ralph Lauren, Arc'teryx, Duer, and more against each other in a head-to-head email marketing smackdown. Discover which brands deliver knockout strategies in design, retention, and engagement—and which ones fall flat. From Anthropologie’s stunning visuals to Gucci’s innovative templates, we’re dissecting every detail to crown the ultimate email champion. Perfect for marketers, brand owners, and email enthusiasts looking to learn from the pros (and maybe a few cons). Who will take the title of the best email in fashion? Tune in to find out! 0:00 - Intro: Welcome to Fashion Email Fight Night 2:00 - Matchup 1: Anthropologie vs. Toms 9:00 - Matchup 2: Armani vs. H&M 17:00 - Matchup 3: Filson vs. Huckberry 26:00 - Exhibition Match: Federal Reserve vs. Pampers 34:00 - Championship Round: Arc'teryx vs. Duer 44:00 - The Grand Finale: Gucci vs. Ralph Lauren 54:00 - Closing Thoughts: Best Email Design & Overall Champion #EmailMarketing #EmailStrategy #RetentionMarketing #FashionMarketing #Duer #Gucci #RalphLauren #Anthropologie #Arcteryx #Toms #Huckberry #DigitalMarketing #MarketingInsights #EcommerceMarketing #MarketingPodcast Work with Pilothouse: https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast Subscribe to DTC: https://www.directtoconsumer.co/ Listen to DTC Podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast | |||
| Ep 9: The Only Site Abandon Flow You'll Ever Need | TWBERP | 26 Nov 2024 | 00:32:45 | |
Listen as Jordan Gordon breaks down how to create an effective site abandon email flow that moves customers further down your funnel. Learn the importance of dynamic product grids, strategic email timing, and how to structure incentives for maximum impact. Packed with actionable insights, this guide will help you refine your email strategy and improve retention performance. [00:00:00] Intro: Setting the stage for actionable email insights. [00:01:00] Overview: Why site abandon flows are critical to retention strategy. [00:02:30] Key Concept: The role of shoppable landing pages in email flows. [00:04:00] Avoiding Pitfalls: How to send the right message based on funnel stage. [00:06:00] Timing Strategies: Testing email cadences for optimal engagement. [00:08:00] Dynamic Content: Building product grids tailored to user behavior. [00:12:00] Messaging: Crafting brand-focused and customer-centric content. [00:17:00] Incentives: When and how to introduce discounts effectively. [00:24:00] Advanced Tips: Managing coupon usage and flow rules in Klaviyo. [00:29:00] Final Thoughts: Implementing site abandon flows for measurable impact. #EmailMarketing #RetentionStrategy #EcommerceTips #SiteAbandonFlow #CustomerRetention #DTCGrowth #Klaviyo #EmailAutomation #MarketingInsights #TWBERP Work with Pilothouse: https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast Subscribe to DTC: https://www.directtoconsumer.co/ Listen to DTC Podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast | |||
| Ep 12: Top 6 Email Segmentation Blunders | TWBERP | 17 Dec 2024 | 00:20:40 | |
Dive into this must-listen episode of TWBERP as host Jordan Gordon unveils the top six segmentation mistakes that email marketers are making in 2024. From overlooked opportunities to critical missteps that could land your emails in the spam folder, Jordan offers invaluable insights derived from cutting-edge research and real-world audits. Whether you're a seasoned marketer or a multitasking entrepreneur, you'll learn actionable strategies to refine your segmentation, enhance engagement, and ultimately drive more revenue through effective email marketing. Tune in to transform your email campaigns and ensure you're not just another spammer in the digital noise. [00:00:00] Introduction: The Importance of Email in Digital Marketing [00:03:00] Mistake #1: Overlooking Non-Subscribed Buyers [00:06:00] Mistake #2: Inconsistent Treatment of Spam and Non-Spam Audiences [00:08:00] Mistake #3: Poor Management of Spam Complaints and Bounces [00:10:00] Mistake #4: Underestimating the Impact of Privacy Opens [00:13:00] Mistake #5: Misjudging Engagement Windows [00:15:00] Mistake #6: Overvaluing Email Opens [00:17:00] Strategy Session: Implementing Effective Segmentation #EmailMarketing #DigitalMarketing #Segmentation #MarketingTips #TWBERP #Retention #DTC #Pilothouse Work with Pilothouse: https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast Subscribe to DTC: https://www.directtoconsumer.co/ Listen to DTC Podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast | |||
| Ep 11: The Financial Case for Email | TWBERP | 10 Dec 2024 | 00:20:18 | |
Discover why email marketing is the ultimate tool for driving low-cost revenue and boosting profitability. Host Jordan Gordon explores the financial case for email, sharing actionable insights on how blending email with ads can unlock higher ROI and help your business thrive—even in tough markets. Whether you're scaling or just starting, this episode is packed with data-driven strategies to optimize your digital ecosystem. [00:00] Introduction: Why email is critical for profitability [01:00] The financial edge: Email vs. advertising costs [03:00] How email and ads work together for higher ROI [05:00] Scenario 1: Email's impact on a $1M new brand [08:30] Scenario 2: Leveraging email for a $3M scaling brand [12:00] Scenario 3: Maximizing email’s potential for a $12M+ brand [15:30] Surviving tough markets with email strategies [17:30] Blended ROI: Making email and ads greater together [19:00] Closing thoughts: The financial case for email marketing #EmailMarketing #RetentionStrategy #DTCGrowth #EcommerceMarketing #LowCostRevenue #MarketingROI #CustomerRetention #EmailROI #BusinessScaling #DigitalMarketingTips #AdsAndEmail Work with Pilothouse: https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast Subscribe to DTC: https://www.directtoconsumer.co/ Listen to DTC Podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast | |||
| Ep 10: Fixing Funnel Disconnects: Why Cohesive Messaging Matters | TWBERP | 03 Dec 2024 | 00:26:55 | |
In this episode of The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast, host Jordan Gordon dives into the challenges of aligning your retention and acquisition strategies. Learn why cohesive messaging is critical for optimizing your customer journey, from the first ad click to post-purchase engagement. Discover practical insights on avoiding funnel disconnects, synchronizing email and ad campaigns, and leveraging data to justify your efforts. Whether you're scaling your DTC brand or refining your digital strategy, this episode will help you eliminate friction and unlock sustainable growth. 00:00 - Intro: The glowing inbox and the power of email retention 01:00 - Why Cohesive Messaging Matters: Aligning email and ad strategies 03:00 - Funnel vs. Broadcast Messaging: Key friction points to resolve 05:00 - Real-Life Disconnect Example: Ensuring ad-to-email consistency 07:00 - Optimizing Touchpoints: Welcome, post-purchase, and winback messages 15:00 - Metrics That Matter: Tracking revenue and ROI for alignment success 25:00 - Wrap-Up: Key takeaways and next steps for unifying messaging #EmailMarketing #RetentionStrategies #FunnelOptimization #DTCGrowth #DigitalMarketingTips #CohesiveMessaging #CustomerRetention #AdsAndEmail #MarketingAlignment #TWBERP Work with Pilothouse: https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast Subscribe to DTC: https://www.directtoconsumer.co/ Listen to DTC Podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast | |||
| Live From Jordan's Inbox: Strong Strategies, 404s, and Missed Opportunities | TWBERP 13 | 24 Dec 2024 | 00:25:20 | |
Email marketing expert exclaims: "The subject line's gonna slay." Join Jordan Gordon as he dives into the cool, often quirky world of email marketing for DTC brands. This episode is all about turning your email inbox into a powerhouse for keeping customers coming back and making new ones stick around. We're tearing apart some top-notch email strategies—from Gucci's slick GIFs to Free People's eye-catching layouts. Whether you're tweaking your tactics or just curious about what makes for killer email campaigns, Jordan's insights got you covered. Hit play to discover how you can make your emails pop and keep your audience engaged. Don't forget to subscribe for more tips on stepping up your DTC game!
#EmailMarketingTips #DTCBrands #RetentionMarketing #EcommerceGrowth #MarketingStrategy #InboxOptimization #CustomerRetention #DirectToConsumer #EmailDesign #GIFMarketing #AnthropologieEmails #EcommerceInsights #MarketingPodcast #CustomerEngagement #DigitalMarketing Work with Pilothouse: https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast Subscribe to DTC: https://www.directtoconsumer.co/ Listen to DTC Podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast | |||
| Ep 14: The 5 Fundamental Forces of Email and Retention | TWBERP | 31 Dec 2024 | 00:39:48 | |
In this episode, we dive into the five fundamental forces of email retention marketing and how they can transform your business. Learn how to optimize your buyer ROI, balance retention and acquisition efforts, and use tools like GA4 to track revenue effectively. From driving second purchases to building the largest buyer list possible, we break down actionable strategies that improve cost efficiency and create a virtuous cycle for your entire marketing funnel. Whether you're a seasoned marketer or an entrepreneur looking to scale, this episode is packed with insights to help you make email your secret weapon. 0:00 – Introduction: Why Email Is the Secret to Scalable Growth 2:45 – The 5 Fundamental Forces of Email and Retention 7:30 – Email ROI vs. Ads ROI: A Practical Comparison 12:15 – How to Split Revenue by Buyer and Prospect in GA4 18:00 – Understanding Attribution: Even Attribution in GA4 24:30 – Weighted ROI and Its Impact on Marketing Strategy 29:45 – Why Second Purchases Are the Key to Retention Success 34:00 – Building the Largest Buyer List: Research-Backed Insights #EmailMarketing #RetentionMarketing #ROI #BuyerROI #RetentionVsAcquisition #EmailStrategy #DigitalMarketing #EcommerceTips #GA4 #MarketingROI #SecondPurchaseStrategy #RetentionMatters #MarketingPodcast #GrowthHacking #EmailROI Work with Pilothouse: https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast Subscribe to DTC: https://www.directtoconsumer.co/ Listen to DTC Podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast | |||
| Ep 15: Building An Audience in 2025 | TWBERP | 07 Jan 2025 | 00:22:52 | |
In 2025, building and maintaining an engaged audience has never been more critical—or more challenging. In this episode of the World’s Best Email and Retention Podcast, Jordan Gordon dives into the changing landscape of email marketing and retention strategies. Learn why reactivation campaigns are obsolete, how tighter segmentation is driving better results, and why retention is now a cornerstone of revenue growth. Packed with actionable insights, this episode will help you create high-quality content, leverage your digital ecosystem, and maximize the potential of your audience for the biggest Q4 yet. Tune in to discover how to adapt, grow, and win in the new email marketing paradigm. 🎧 [00:00:00] Introduction [00:01:00] The Game Has Changed [00:02:00] Why Growing Your Audience Matters [00:04:00] Retention vs. Acquisition [00:07:00] Sniper Segmentation [00:13:00] Creating Engaging Email Content [00:15:00] Leveraging Abandonment Flows [00:20:00] Final Tips for 2025 Success #EmailMarketing2025 #RetentionStrategies #DigitalMarketingTips #AudienceGrowth #EmailEngagement #LifecycleMarketing #Q4Revenue #SniperSegmentation #MarketingPodcast #DTCGrowth #RetentionMarketing #KlaviyoTips #EmailOptimization #GmailUpdates #WorldsBestPodcast Work with Pilothouse: https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast Subscribe to DTC: https://www.directtoconsumer.co/ Listen to DTC Podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast | |||
| Ep 16: Beyond the Benjamins: Tracking the Lifecycles that Drive Business Success | TWBERP | 14 Jan 2025 | 00:21:08 | |
In this episode, host Jordan Gordon challenges the conventional focus on revenue alone and reveals how understanding various lifecycles—promotional, customer, and category—can offer deeper insights into your business's health and trajectory. Discover how massive companies utilize these metrics to make strategic decisions that go beyond mere numbers. Whether you aim to refine your marketing strategy or enhance customer retention, this episode provides valuable lessons on nurturing your base and optimizing your business model for long-term success. Tune in to transform how you view and utilize business metrics to foster sustainable growth. [00:00:00] Introduction [00:01:00] The Concept of Lifecycle Tracking Over Revenue Counting [00:03:00] Exploring the Promotional, Customer, and Category Life Cycles [00:05:00] Segmenting Your Customer Base by Lifecycle Stages [00:07:00] The Strategic Impact of Customer Lifecycle Management [00:09:00] Examining the Core vs. Secondary Category Lifecycle [00:11:00] Building and Maintaining a Loyal Customer Base [00:13:00] Closing Thoughts: Beyond Revenue, Towards Sustainable Growth #BusinessGrowth #CustomerRetention #LifecycleMetrics #RevenueManagement #StrategicInsights #DigitalMarketing #EmailMarketing #EcommerceSuccess #BusinessPodcast #GrowthHacking Work with Pilothouse: https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast Subscribe to DTC: https://www.directtoconsumer.co/ Listen to DTC Podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast | |||
| Ep 20: Insider Tips with Eleah Portillo: Segmentation, Product Subscribe, Data, and More! | TWBERP | 11 Feb 2025 | 00:48:34 | |
In this episode of the World’s Best Email and Retention Podcast, we’re joined by Eleah Portillo, VP of Marketing at For Wellness, who brings a wealth of knowledge on driving efficiency and effectiveness in digital marketing. Explore detailed strategies on customer segmentation that help personalize marketing efforts and enhance engagement. Eleah also delves into the nuances of subscription models, demonstrating how to improve retention and lifetime value through data-driven adjustments to subscription logistics and marketing tactics. Plus, gain insights on harnessing customer data to tailor marketing campaigns and predict future trends. This episode is packed with practical tips and expert advice for marketers aiming to leverage data for better decision-making and improved ROI. 00:00:00 - Introduction 00:01:30 - Advanced Customer Segmentation Techniques 00:08:00 - Optimizing Subscription Models for Maximum Retention 00:15:00 - Data-Driven Decisions in Marketing 00:22:00 - Elevating Email Campaign Effectiveness 00:28:00 - Leveraging Predictive Analytics for Marketing Strategy 00:34:00 - Actionable Marketing Advice from an Industry Expert 00:47:00 - Key Takeaways and Practical Insights Recap #EmailMarketing #CustomerRetention #MarketingStrategy #DataDriven #SubscriptionModel #DigitalMarketing #MarketingInsights #Segmentation #PredictiveAnalytics #ForWellness #MarketingPodcast #BusinessInsights #Ecommerce #CustomerEngagement #MarketingTrends Work with Pilothouse: https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast Subscribe on YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast Subscribe to DTC: https://www.directtoconsumer.co/ Listen to DTC Podcast:https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast | |||
| Ep 19: Email Program In The Trash Bin? 10 Steps to Revive It | TWBERP | 04 Feb 2025 | 00:26:41 | |
Is your email program struggling with low engagement, poor deliverability, or spam issues? In this episode, we walk through a 10-step checklist to rescue your emails from the trash bin and bring them back to life. From optimizing subject lines to fixing segmentation and improving design, these proven tactics will help you boost open rates, click-throughs, and overall performance. Whether you're in damage control mode or just need a refresh, this episode is your ultimate email revival guide. 0:00 Introduction – Setting the stage for reviving your email program. 2:00 The Warning Signs – How to recognize when your email program is in trouble. 5:00 The Power of Language – Why subject lines and copy are your first fix. 7:00 Cleaning Up Segmentation – Optimizing your list by removing non-engagers. 11:00 Frequency Matters – Why adjusting your email send cadence can improve results. 14:00 Fixing Key Flows – Optimizing abandoned cart and browse abandonment emails. 17:00 Design Simplification – Creating clean, effective email layouts that convert. 20:00 Deliverability Check – Ensuring your DNS settings keep you out of spam. #EmailMarketing #RetentionMarketing #DTC #Ecommerce #MarketingStrategy #EmailOptimization #Deliverability #EmailDesign #CustomerEngagement #MarketingTips #GrowthMarketing #RetentionStrategy #EmailMarketingTips #DigitalMarketing #MarketingPodcast Work with Pilothouse: https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast Subscribe to DTC: https://www.directtoconsumer.co/ Listen to DTC Podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast | |||
| Ep 18: Spam Traps, Bounces, and Inboxing in 2025 with ZeroBounce's Austin Helm | TWBERP | 28 Jan 2025 | 00:54:33 | |
Email marketing is evolving fast, and 2025 is shaping up to be the most challenging year yet for inboxing. In this episode, Jordan Gordon is joined by Austin Helm, Sales Manager at ZeroBounce, to dive deep into the nitty-gritty of email validation, spam traps, bounces, and strategies for boosting your email deliverability. Learn how to protect your sender reputation, warm up domains properly, and keep your campaigns out of the spam folder. Plus, Austin shares a special offer for listeners to try ZeroBounce with 5,000 free email validations. If email is a cornerstone of your business, you can’t afford to miss this one! [00:00:00] – Introduction [00:01:00] – Special Offer from ZeroBounce [00:04:00] – Austin’s Journey to ZeroBounce [00:08:00] – What ZeroBounce Does [00:13:00] – Protecting Your Domain Reputation [00:19:00] – The Importance of Email Warmup [00:28:00] – Inboxing Challenges in 2025 [00:39:00] – Understanding Spam Traps #EmailMarketing #SpamTraps #EmailDeliverability #InboxStrategy #ZeroBounce #EmailValidation #DigitalMarketingTips #RetentionMarketing #EcommerceStrategy #EmailMarketing2025 TWBERP: Work with Pilothouse: https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast Subscribe to DTC: https://www.directtoconsumer.co/ Listen to DTC Podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast | |||
| Ep 17: Scaling DTC Brands with Social Commerce and Email Retention | TWBERP | 21 Jan 2025 | 00:14:33 | |
In this episode, host Jordan Gordon sits down with Jocelyn Kell, Pod Lead at Pilothouse, to explore the booming world of social commerce and its connection to email retention. Discover how 20% of e-commerce is now happening through social platforms like Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok, and why integrating email capture into your social commerce strategy is crucial for success. Jocelyn shares expert insights on setting up Meta Shops, leveraging email integrations like Klaviyo, and crafting retention strategies that drive growth for DTC brands. Whether you’re new to social commerce or looking to optimize your current approach, this episode is packed with actionable advice to help you scale your brand and keep customers coming back. Don’t miss this deep dive into the intersection of email, retention, and social commerce! [00:00:00] – Intro: Exploring social commerce, email retention, and the future of scaling DTC brands. [00:01:30] – Meet Jocelyn Kell: Insights from managing ad accounts for DTC brands at Pilothouse. [00:03:00] – The Rise of Social Commerce: How 20% of e-commerce sales are happening on social platforms. [00:05:00] – Email retention challenges: Navigating inbox deliverability issues and platform preferences. [00:07:30] – Collecting emails through Meta Shops: Best practices for seamless lead generation. [00:09:00] – Matching offers across platforms to ensure a consistent buyer journey. [00:11:00] – Paid vs. organic strategies: What works best for social commerce success. [00:13:00] – Closing Thoughts: Actionable tips to scale DTC brands with email and social commerce. #DTCBrands #SocialCommerce #EmailMarketing #EcommerceGrowth #RetentionMarketing #DigitalAdvertising #MetaShops #MarketingStrategy #BrandScaling #CustomerRetention Work with Pilothouse: https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast Subscribe to DTC: https://www.directtoconsumer.co/ Listen to DTC Podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast | |||
| Ep 21: What’s Next for Email & Retention? Eli Weiss on AI, Automations & Strategy | TWBERP | 18 Feb 2025 | 00:43:57 | |
Today, we’re diving into the future of email and retention marketing with Eli Weiss, VP of Retention Advocacy at Yotpo. Eli has built retention strategies at Olipop and Jones Road Beauty before joining Yotpo to help shape its retention and engagement tools. In this episode, we talk about: 📩 Why AI will take over email segmentation and campaign timing ⚡ The biggest missed opportunity in retention (hint: it’s not what you think) 📊 How to future-proof your email strategy in a world of tougher inbox filtering If you care about email, retention, and the future of DTC marketing, this one’s for you. Let’s get into it! 0:00 – Introduction: Eli Weiss & the future of email & retention marketing 4:30 – The biggest mistake in retention: focusing too much on 1→2 purchases 9:00 – How AI will replace manual email segmentation & campaign scheduling 16:00 – The future of email: Will we move to plain text, AI-driven messages? 20:45 – Why email deliverability is getting tougher (and how to adapt) 27:30 – Retention isn’t just about sending more emails—it’s about sending better ones 35:00 – Where email & SMS marketing will be in 2025 and 2035 41:00 – Advice for young email marketers #EmailMarketing #CustomerRetention #DTC #Ecommerce #MarketingStrategy #AIinMarketing #MarketingAutomation #Personalization #RetentionMarketing #EmailDeliverability #SMSMarketing #CustomerEngagement #MarketingGrowth #EliWeiss #Yotpo #RetentionStrategy #DTCMarketing Work with Pilothouse: https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast Subscribe to DTC: https://www.directtoconsumer.co/ Listen to DTC Podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast | |||
| Ep 24: Solving the Attribution Puzzle: AI, Pixels & Email Retention with Triple Whale | TWBERP | 11 Mar 2025 | 00:25:44 | |
Hello and welcome to the World’s Best Email and Retention Podcast! Today, we’re diving into AI-driven attribution and retention strategies with Malav Pandya, Solutions Engineer at Triple Whale. Triple Whale has been at the forefront of solving post-iOS 14.5 attribution issues, using AI and proprietary pixel tracking to improve ad performance, email retention, and multi-touch attribution. Here’s what you’ll learn today: How Triple Whale’s Sonar extends email tracking to increase retention revenue by 22% How AI-powered media buying is saving marketers 5-10 hours per week Why GA4 is failing brands—and how better attribution models provide clarity If you care about email, retention, and accurate data, you won’t want to miss this one. 00:00:00 Introduction 00:04:00 How AI is Automating Media Buying 00:06:00 How Sonar Extends Cookie Tracking for Email Revenue 00:13:00 Why GA4 Fails Ecom Brands & How Triple Whale Fills the Gap 00:20:00 Bridging Online & In-Store Purchases via Shopify POS #DTC #Ecommerce #EmailMarketing #RetentionMarketing #Attribution #AI #TripleWhale #DigitalMarketing #CustomerRetention #GrowthMarketing #Shopify #PerformanceMarketing #MarketingAutomation Work with Pilothouse: https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast Subscribe to DTC: https://www.directtoconsumer.co/ Listen to DTC Podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast | |||
| Ep 23: Retention Starts with Product: CEO Matt Bertulli on Scaling Lomi & Pela Case | TWBERP | 04 Mar 2025 | 00:40:41 | |
Retention isn’t just an email strategy—it starts with product design and habit formation. In this episode, we sit down with Matt Bertulli, CEO of Lomi and Pela Case, to break down how two vastly different DTC brands—one selling composting machines with a built-in subscription model and the other selling phone cases with trend-driven drops—approach LTV, retention, and scaling profitably. 🎙️ Key Takeaways: Why retention is a product problem first, not a marketing fix How Lomi built a hardware-based subscription business that thrives on habitual use Why hyper-segmentation in email is often a waste of time How Pela Case uses on-demand manufacturing to ride trends and drive repeat purchases Why DTC growth isn’t a funnel—it’s a loop 00:00 – Intro: Retention Starts with Product 03:50 – Why retention is a product problem first 07:30 – How Lomi built a hardware subscription model 13:00 – Creating habit-forming products for better LTV 20:00 – The tradeoff between easy acquisition and high retention 26:30 – Using design drops to drive repeat purchases 30:00 – Why segmentation in email marketing is overrated 36:00 – Funnels vs. Loops: How DTC growth really works #DTC #Ecommerce #RetentionMarketing #CustomerLTV #SubscriptionBusiness #EmailMarketing #BrandGrowth #SaaS #ConsumerGoods #DigitalMarketing #MarketingStrategy #Entrepreneurship #DTCBrands #ScalingBusiness #ProductMarketing Work with Pilothouse: https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast Subscribe to DTC: https://www.directtoconsumer.co/ Listen to DTC Podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast | |||
| Ep 22: The Psychology of Persuasion: Cognitive Biases Every Marketer Must Know | TWBERP | 25 Feb 2025 | 00:26:32 | |
How do customers really make decisions? The answer lies in cognitive biases—the psychological shortcuts that shape buying behavior. In this episode, Jordan breaks down the most powerful cognitive biases and how marketers can use them to improve email conversions, retention, and overall sales. 🔹 Anchoring Bias – Why MSRP pricing and discounts work 🔹 Framing Bias – How storytelling shapes brand perception 🔹 Loss Aversion – Why “limited-time offers” drive action 🔹 Social Proof – The psychology behind product trust 🔹 Goal Gradient Effect – How loyalty programs keep customers engaged Discover actionable strategies to apply these biases in your marketing copy, email campaigns, and promotions to increase conversions without increasing ad spend. [00:00] – Introduction [02:00] – What are cognitive biases, and why do they matter in marketing? [04:20] – How anchoring bias influences pricing and discount strategies [07:10] – The power of framing: How messaging changes perception [10:45] – Loss aversion: Why urgency and scarcity drive conversions [14:30] – Social proof: How customer behavior influences purchasing decisions [18:20] – The goal gradient effect: Why loyalty programs work [22:05] – Rhyme as reason: How simple phrasing increases persuasion [26:15] – Practical ways to apply cognitive biases to email and retention marketing #Marketing #Psychology #CognitiveBias #ConsumerBehavior #EmailMarketing #RetentionMarketing #DTCMarketing #Ecommerce #DigitalMarketing #BrandStrategy #Persuasion #MarketingStrategy #GrowthMarketing #ConversionOptimization #Neuromarketing #SalesTechniques #CustomerRetention #MarketingTips #Advertising Work with Pilothouse: https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast Subscribe to DTC: https://www.directtoconsumer.co/ Listen to DTC Podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast | |||
| Ep 31: Behind Frye’s Emails: Design and Strategy | TWBERP | 29 Apr 2025 | 00:28:41 | |
In this episode, we take a close look at the email marketing content of one of the biggest names in fashion: Frye. We dissect their approach to email design, messaging, and strategy to uncover what makes their emails so effective. From visually stunning designs to clear, concise calls-to-action, Frye’s emails offer plenty of inspiration for anyone looking to improve their email marketing game. Join Jordan as he breaks down the key elements of their campaigns and explores how their email content could serve as a model for ecommerce brands. 0:00 – Introduction 1:00 – Overview of Frye’s Brand & Email Strategy 4:00 – First Impressions of Frye’s Emails 7:30 – Deep Dive into Email Design 10:00 – Messaging & Copy Strategy 13:30 – Calls-to-Action & Engagement 16:00 – Personalization & Customer Connection 18:30 – Lessons for Other Ecommerce Brands #EmailMarketing #EcommerceMarketing #Frye #EmailDesign #EmailStrategy #MarketingTips #DigitalMarketing #BrandStrategy #EcommerceTips #MarketingPodcast #EmailCampaigns #CustomerEngagement #MarketingAnalysis #EcommerceGrowth #EmailContent #Personalization #MarketingInsights #ContentStrategy #MarketingForBrands #EcommerceSuccess #MarketingBreakdown #BrandBuilding #RetailMarketing #FashionMarketing #EmailCopywriting Work with Pilothouse: https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast Subscribe to DTC: https://www.directtoconsumer.co/ Listen to DTC Podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast | |||
| Ep 30: Opens, Clicks & Privacy Myths: GlockApps CEO on the Truth About Email Metrics | TWBERP | 22 Apr 2025 | 00:57:38 | |
Are your email metrics telling the whole story? In this episode of TWBERP, we sit down with Alex Arnaut, CEO of GlockApps, to unpack the hidden truths behind open rates, clicks, and deliverability. From spam folder traps to reputation pitfalls, this conversation will change the way you think about email performance — and show you what really matters. 0:00 – Introduction 2:00 – Open Rates Are Unreliable 4:30 – Why Apple’s Mail Privacy Protection Makes Open Rates Misleading 7:00 – The Myth of “Machine Opens” and Their Impact 9:00 – The Disconnect Between Clicks and Opens 11:30 – Understanding the Role of Email Segmentation 14:30 – False Attribution and the Impact on Email Metrics 17:30 – Optimizing for Real Engagement in Email Campaigns #EmailMarketing #EmailMetrics #EmailDeliverability #MarketingTips #GlockApps #EmailSegmentation #OpenRates #EmailCampaigns #DigitalMarketing #EmailStrategy #EmailListBuilding #EmailMarketingStrategy #GlockAppsCEO #MarketingPodcast #EmailMyths #EmailMarketingTips #EmailOptimization #EcommerceMarketing #MarketingPodcast #RetentionMarketing #B2CMarketing Work with Pilothouse: https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast Subscribe to DTC: https://www.directtoconsumer.co/ Listen to DTC Podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast | |||
| EP 29: PART 2: How Pilothouse Connects Meta & Email for Spend Efficiency & Scalable Growth | TBWERP | 16 Apr 2025 | 00:58:40 | |
In this episode, Jordan sits down with Abby Kohler, account strategist at Pilothouse, to dive deep into how brands should be thinking about media buying and retention in 2025. With economic volatility, tariffs, and rising acquisition costs, Abby shares why it's critical to build robust post-click systems—flows, segmentation, messaging—before scaling spend. She details Pilothouse's internal cross-channel playbooks: how email campaigns turn into presell pages, how Meta ads fuel Klaviyo segmentation, and how feedback loops across retention and paid media create compounding ROAS benefits. Key Highlights: Persona-led creative and messaging loops How to AB test email timing windows to improve flow performance Real examples of Meta targeting using Klaviyo engagement data Scaling down spend without losing revenue How Canadian brands are using patriotic messaging for a conversion bump If you’re scaling a DTC brand and want your email, site, and ads to actually work together—this is the episode. 00:00 – Introduction 08:00 – What wasted ad spend looks like when flows are broken 11:00 – Turning an email campaign into a high-converting landing page 17:00 – Using Klaviyo openers and unsubscribers for Meta targeting 26:00 – Personalization through quiz-style popups 44:00 – The Febreze story and buying psychology #DTCMarketing #EcommerceStrategy #RetentionMarketing #MetaAds #EmailMarketing #CustomerAcquisition #PerformanceMarketing #Klaviyo #MediaBuying #ShopifyBrands #DirectToConsumer #LifecycleMarketing #DigitalMarketingTips #MarketingStrategy #ScalingEcommerce Work with Pilothouse: https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast Subscribe to DTC: https://www.directtoconsumer.co/ Listen to DTC Podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast | |||
| Ep 28: 50% Off Flow Builds & More - PART 1: Use Automation and Coordinated Management to Improve Spend Efficiency | TWBERP | 15 Apr 2025 | 00:36:27 | |
Hey listeners! The episode Jordan references with Abby from Pilothouse will be coming tomorrow, so keep your eyes peeled. In this episode, Jordan Gordon announces an exclusive 50% off flow build promo, “Go With The Flow.” He also explains the economic rationale for why now is the best time to invest in your retention systems. Jordan unpacks: Why economic uncertainty demands a shift to more efficient revenue generation How Pilothouse clients with email + retention saw 60% of their growth driven by repeat customers Five flexible, value-driven management tiers to meet brands at different growth stages Why consolidation under one roof (meta, Google, retention) leads to executional synergy and better performance Key Takeaways: Understanding cyclical vs. secular downturns and their implications on strategy Flow-focused retention can replace campaign volume with smarter automation Segment-and-deploy and campaign build ramp-ups offer scalable retention help How integrated channel strategies beat siloed agency structures #EmailMarketing #RetentionMarketing #DTCMarketing #EcommerceGrowth #CustomerRetention #MarketingAutomation #PerformanceMarketing #MarketingEfficiency #DigitalMarketingStrategy #EcommerceStrategy #LifecycleMarketing #PilotHouse #SpendEfficiency #FlowBuilds 00:00:00 – Introduction 00:01:15 – Jordan’s opening economic breakdown and rationale for the promo 00:10:30 – Breakdown of the internal study on year-over-year growth sources 00:21:00 – The case for consolidating agency services under one roof 00:27:00 – Multi-channel flow-focused management explained 00:34:00 – Google + Email synergy explained with clear funnel logic Work with Pilothouse: https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast Subscribe to DTC: https://www.directtoconsumer.co/ Listen to DTC Podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast | |||
| Ep 27: Boost Revenue Now: Practical Email Wins for DTC Brands | TWBERP | 08 Apr 2025 | 00:50:57 | |
In this episode of TWBERP, Jordan Gordon of Pilothouse breaks down the right and wrong ways to drive immediate revenue through email. If your brand is under pressure to grow—or simply survive—the temptation is to ramp up email sends or discount your way to short-term wins. But that strategy kills long-term brand equity and inbox placement. Jordan explains how brands can actually get more revenue from their email program, starting today, without harming their digital ecosystem. Key Takeaways: Why inbox placement is the most reliable lever for short-term and long-term growth How to clean your segments and shorten engagement windows for better performance Smarter campaign strategy: add content-based emails to build trust and get clicks How to analyze your repeat buyer base and understand true retention What attribution metrics are flawed and how to benchmark real email impact 00:00 – Introduction “When a metric becomes a target…” (on attribution pitfalls) 13:00 – The false promise of more campaigns without engagement strategy 21:00 – How to use 7-day click attribution to expose false Klaviyo data 33:45 – “The easiest way to get inbox placement…” (tactical content guidance) 38:00 – Email “bankruptcy” method for bad flows #DTC #EmailMarketing #RetentionMarketing #EcommerceStrategy #KlaviyoTips #CustomerRetention #InboxPlacement #DigitalMarketing #CRO #LifecycleMarketing #MarketingAutomation #GrowthMarketing #EcommerceGrowth #PerformanceMarketing #MarketingStrategy Work with Pilothouse: https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast Subscribe to DTC: https://www.directtoconsumer.co/ Listen to DTC Podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast | |||
| Ep 26: Building the Continuation Flow: A Lifecycle Email Strategy for Large Catalog DTC Brands | TWBERP | 25 Mar 2025 | 00:24:46 | |
Jordan Gordon, Head of Retention at Pilothouse, breaks down a complete reframe of how brands should approach lifecycle email. Instead of using campaigns to broadly cast offers and triggers to react to clicks, Jordan makes the case for generating intent dynamically within the inbox. Jordan reveals how brands can adopt a “continuation flow” that keeps customer discovery active for a full year—without needing constant manual input. Key Takeaways: The difference between static vs. dynamic emails—and why you’re likely under-leveraging dynamic content. How to flip the traditional email structure to show personalized product content at the top. Why a “continuation flow” is essential for brands with large, growing catalogs. How this flow increases monthly messages per user and revenue per email sent. Why removing discounts and focusing on relevancy can improve retention ROI. 00:00:00 — Introduction 00:05:00 — Jordan introduces the intent-generation gap in typical email marketing 00:08:20 — “Flip your email: dynamic content on top” 00:11:00 — Jordan explains the “Continuation Flow Flywheel” 00:14:30 — The mechanics of a 1-year dynamic flow 00:17:40 — The real ROI: more emails per user, higher revenue per send 00:19:45 — “Plant the garden, tend the garden” metaphor 00:21:30 — Hot take on SMS vs Email #EmailMarketing #LifecycleMarketing #RetentionMarketing #KlaviyoFlows #DTCGrowth #CustomerRetention #DynamicContent #EcommerceMarketing #DigitalMarketingStrategy #MarketingAutomation #Personalization #MarketingTactics #DTCMarketing #Pilothouse #MarketingTips Work with Pilothouse: https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast Subscribe to DTC: https://www.directtoconsumer.co/ Listen to DTC Podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast | |||
| Ep 25: So You’ve Got a Brand – Now What? The Role of Email in Branding & Retention | TWBERP | 18 Mar 2025 | 00:29:10 | |
Email isn’t just for conversions. If you’re only thinking about email in terms of discounts and cart abandonment flows, you’re missing out on one of its biggest strengths: brand reinforcement. In this episode of The World's Best Email & Retention Podcast, Jordan Gordon breaks down how brands can move beyond conversion-obsessed email marketing and use it as a long-term branding tool. Key Takeaways: ✅ Why most brands misunderstand email branding – It’s not about sales, it’s about reinforcement. ✅ The engagement window is shrinking – Why relying on 180-day segments is hurting your inboxing. ✅ How to track branding impact through email – The metrics that matter beyond just email revenue. ✅ The importance of using email alongside paid advertising – How synchronized email campaigns amplify your ad spend. ✅ How branding through email drives free traffic – Boosting organic search and direct visits without increasing ad spend. 00:00: Introduction 02:30: Why Email’s Engagement Window is Shrinking 06:45: The Big Mistake Brands Make with Email Segmentation 14:20: How Email Branding Reinforces Paid Advertising 21:15: Measuring Email’s Impact on Organic & Direct Traffic #EmailMarketing #RetentionMarketing #CustomerEngagement #BrandBuilding #DTCMarketing #EcommerceGrowth #MarketingStrategy #BrandingWithEmail #EmailRetention #CustomerLTV #OwnYourAudience #RetentionStrategy #ScalingWithEmail Work with Pilothouse: https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast Subscribe to DTC: https://www.directtoconsumer.co/ Listen to DTC Podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast | |||
| Ep 35: From Mad Men to Modern Media: Which Ad Beliefs Still Hold Up? | TWBERP | 27 May 2025 | 01:01:47 | |
Are the boldest beliefs in advertising still true? In this episode, we put iconic marketing quotes to the test—from Mad Men-era mantras to algorithm-era hot takes. Guest Avery Valerio (former political strategist and creative lead) joins Jordan Gordon to play a rapid-fire round of true or false on everything from propaganda to personalization. We dig into: Whether ads shape culture—or just reflect it How much your family really influences your buying Why modern marketing feels less human than it used to And what beliefs advertisers should finally let go of This one’s part philosophy, part punchy takes, and all signal. 00:00 – Introduction 03:44 – Dalí’s surrealist lollipop logo story 06:06 – Got Milk’s “absence marketing” insight 15:37 – Prestige vs authenticity (The Ordinary’s eggs) 37:05 – Budweiser backyard ads and symbolic conditioning 48:40 – Fragrance ads and subconscious dreams #AdvertisingTruths #MarketingStrategy #BrandLoyalty #ConsumerBehavior #AdPsychology #DigitalMarketing #MarketingHistory #MadMenToAlgorithms #MarketingPodcast #BusinessGrowth #MarketingInsights #AdvertisingQuotes #MarketingTruths #ScalingBusiness #EntrepreneurPodcast #MarketingCulture #EchoChambers #PoliticalMarketing #MarketingTrends #ConsumerTrends Work with Pilothouse: https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast Subscribe to DTC: https://www.directtoconsumer.co/ Listen to DTC Podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast | |||
| Ep 34: Come for the Cookware, Stay for the Content: Inside Hestan’s Retention Strategy | TWBERP | 20 May 2025 | 00:37:43 | |
How does a luxury cookware brand earn a 40% repeat customer rate? In this episode, Christina Chonody, Senior Director of Marketing at Hestan, breaks down how her team uses email, content, and culinary storytelling to build long-term customer relationships. From Michelin-starred chef partnerships to a content strategy that goes beyond the pan, Christina shares how Hestan balances performance and brand — and why “just sending emails” is never the strategy. Whether you’re selling $20 spatulas or $2,000 sets, this is a masterclass in retention-led growth. 0:00 Introduction: Hestan's Repeat Rate Hits 40% 2:58 Christina’s Culinary Background and Brand Passion 6:15 Why Nanobond Cookware Changes the Kitchen Game 8:05 Building Brand Equity Over a Multi-Year Horizon 11:45 How Hestan Uses Content to Drive Long-Term Retention 16:10 HTML vs. Design-Heavy Emails: What Really Works 19:05 Syncing Paid and Email: Messaging by Channel 25:55 What Doesn’t Work in Ads (But Crushes in Email) #EmailMarketing #CustomerRetention #DTCMarketing #LuxuryBranding #ContentMarketingStrategy #BrandEquity #LifecycleMarketing #HestanCookware #EcommerceGrowth #RetentionMarketing #MarketingPodcast #DTCBrands #CulinaryMarketing #DigitalStrategy #BrandStorytelling Work with Pilothouse: https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast Subscribe to DTC: https://www.directtoconsumer.co/ Listen to DTC Podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast | |||
| Ep 33: Clicks, Opens, Purchases, and Bot Traffic: What Email Platforms Aren’t Telling You | TWBERP | 13 May 2025 | 00:53:27 | |
In this episode, Jordan Gordon sits down to untangle one of the most misunderstood aspects of email marketing: what counts as a click, an open, and an order—and why none of your platforms agree.Jordan brings a tactical teardown of the technical side of email engagement and attribution. If you’ve ever wondered why Klaviyo, Shopify, and GA4 show different numbers—or how much of your reported open rate is real—this episode is essential listening.You’ll Learn:The technical difference between a click, session, and visit—and why each system treats them differentlyHow bot clicks and Apple privacy opens distort your engagement metricsWhat’s actually happening when an email is opened and a pixel is firedHow to think about attribution across Klaviyo, Shopify, GA4, and Triple WhaleWhy unique clicks are cleaner than click rates, and when to use eachThe truth about platform revenue attribution—and why it’s always inflated[00:00] – Introduction[01:45] – What a click technically is[06:00] – Difference between clicks, sessions, and visits[08:50] – Role of UTM parameters[13:20] – Bot clicks and why unique clicks matter more[15:40] – Attribution models explained[22:50] – How email opens actually work[30:00] – How the internet works (engaging and educational)[40:25] – The truth about email deliverability vs inboxing[50:00] – Platform revenue vs net revenue vs attributed revenue#EmailMarketing #AttributionModeling #Klaviyo #DTCMarketing #RetentionMarketing #CustomerRetention #LifecycleMarketing #EcommerceAnalytics #MarketingAttribution #DigitalMarketing #EcommerceStrategy #PerformanceMarketing #EmailStrategy #DTCGrowth #MarketingData TWBERP:Work with Pilothouse: https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcastSubscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcastSubscribe to DTC: https://www.directtoconsumer.co/Listen to DTC Podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast | |||
| Ep 32: Mail App Wars: Apple vs. Gmail + Jordan Makes a Big Life Change | TWBERP | 06 May 2025 | 00:32:49 | |
In this episode, Jordan breaks down why he’s switching from Gmail to Apple Mail for his personal email—and why this matters deeply for anyone running a DTC email program. Using Frye Company as the benchmark, he explores how your brand’s emails appear in different environments and reveals the hidden pitfalls of Gmail dark mode, annotations, and clipping that can undercut your entire retention strategy. Key Takeaways: Why Gmail dark mode breaks your design—and how to fix it. Apple Mail’s clean design boosts click-through and brand perception. Gmail annotations often misfire, displaying outdated promos. Email clipping in Gmail hurts UX and performance. How to analyze mobile vs desktop open rates for better UX targeting. 00:00 – Introduction 01:00 – Why I’m switching to Apple Mail 04:30 – Gmail dark mode email design issues 08:15 – Full bleed images vs padding 15:00 – Gmail annotations explained (and their downside) 20:00 – Apple Mail UX and search comparison 27:00 – Email clipping deep dive #DTC #EmailMarketing #RetentionMarketing #DigitalMarketing #EcommerceTips #InboxOptimization #GmailDarkMode #AppleMail #CustomerExperience #UXDesign #EmailDesign #MobileFirst #MarketingTech #MarketingStrategy #DirectToConsumer Work with Pilothouse: https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast Subscribe to DTC: https://www.directtoconsumer.co/ Listen to DTC Podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast | |||
| Ep 36: Retention Programs for Different Cohort Profiles | TWBERP | 03 Jun 2025 | 00:37:41 | |
Not all customers are created equal—and your retention strategy shouldn't be either. In this episode, we break down how to build retention programs tailored to different buyer cohorts: one-and-done shoppers, repeat buyers, and product subscribers. You'll learn how to guide each group through targeted flows that increase LTV, boost replenishment rates, and move buyers toward high-value behaviors—without relying on a default subscribe-and-save. We cover: – The "one-two punch" replenishment strategy – Why subscription shouldn't be your first move – Using cohort data to shape your lifecycle marketing – How to scale retention systems without overcomplicating them Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction 02:00 Acquisition vs. Retention Campaigns 04:00 Building Evergreen Email Sequences 06:00 Balanced Businesses and Repeat Purchases 09:00 Classic Retention Profiles in Ecommerce 12:00 Subscription-Based Retention Tactics 15:00 Crafting a Product Subscription Strategy 17:00 SMS and Email for Subscription Success 20:00 Scaling Retention with Cohort Analysis Hashtags: #EmailMarketing #CustomerRetention #EcommerceMarketing #LifecycleMarketing #RetentionStrategy #DTCBrands #ShopifyTips #SubscriptionBusiness #CohortAnalysis #MarketingPodcast #GrowthMarketing #ReplenishmentStrategy #EmailFlows #SMSMarketing #RetentionMarketing Work with Pilothouse: https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast Subscribe to DTC: https://www.directtoconsumer.co/ Listen to DTC Podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast | |||
| Ep 39: How to Keep Customers | 24 Jun 2025 | 00:25:20 | |
Most brands lose customers by default. The real question is: how do you keep them? In this episode, Jordan reframes customer retention—not as a marketing tactic, but as a holistic experience. From bounce-back offers to lost game pieces (yes, really), we dig into the trifecta of true retention: your product, your support, and your follow-up. Learn why post-purchase CX is your most underrated revenue lever, how to create “I’ll buy again” moments, and why a Spotify playlist might do more than a discount ever could. Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction to Customer Retention and Pilothouse 02:00 Why the Default Is to Lose Customers 04:00 Bounce Back Coupons and the First Five Minutes 06:00 Timing and Triggers for Repeat Purchases 09:00 How Customer Support Impacts Retention 12:00 Creating Better Experiences with Small Touches 15:00 The Customer Retention Trifecta: Product, Support, Promotions 18:00 Using Zero and First-Party Data for Segmentation 20:00 Building a Dune Imperium Email Strategy 22:00 Thought Leadership and Ecosystem Building 24:00 Discounts as the Final Nudge in the Purchase Journey Hashtags: #CustomerRetention #EcommerceTips #EmailMarketing #LifecycleMarketing #CXStrategy #RetentionMarketing #PostPurchase #DTCBrands #MarketingPodcast #GrowthMarketing #CustomerExperience #DigitalMarketing #ShopifyBrands #BrandLoyalty #TWBERP Work with Pilothouse: https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast Subscribe to DTC: https://www.directtoconsumer.co/ Listen to DTC Podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast | |||
| Ep 38: Stop Double Tapping Unengaged Addresses (And How to Do It Right) | 17 Jun 2025 | 00:31:19 | |
If you’re still hitting “resend to non-openers,” this one’s for you. In this episode, Jordan delivers a no-holds-barred message of mercy to email marketers everywhere: Stop double tapping cold addresses. He breaks down exactly how this tactic tanks your sender reputation, why Gmail (and Yahoo) are punishing your list, and what to do instead. You’ll learn:
If you care about long-term inboxing, revenue, and customer relationships… this episode is required listening. Timestamps: 00:00 - Why Double Tapping Non-Openers Hurts Deliverability 02:00 - Understanding Gmail’s Inboxing Algorithm 06:00 - How Pulling Engaged Users Harms Campaigns 10:00 - The Dangerous Impact on Sending Reputation 16:00 - What to Do Instead of Double Tapping 20:00 - Radical Tip: Send to Clickers, Not Non-Openers 24:00 - Safer Alternative: Resend to All with New Subject Line 27:00 - Automations vs. Double Taps 30:00 - Final Rant and Real Fixes for Better Email Results Hashtags: #EmailMarketing #RetentionMarketing #DeliverabilityMatters #InboxStrategy #EmailListHealth #MarketingMistakes #DoubleTapDisaster #EngagementOverEverything #DTCMarketing #SpamFolderSurvival #OpenRates #EmailTips #RetentionWins #MarketingStrategy #Pilothouse Work with Pilothouse: https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast Subscribe to DTC: https://www.directtoconsumer.co/ Listen to DTC Podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast | |||
| Ep 37: They Subscribed. Now What? Welcome Emails Reviewed | TWBERP | 10 Jun 2025 | 00:39:39 | |
Your welcome email might be costing you customers. In this episode, Jordan breaks down real welcome flows—from brands like Whoop and BC Liquor—to show what works, what doesn’t, and why some emails miss the mark. Jordan covers design vs. marketing, how to write for low-intent subscribers, and why clarity always beats cleverness. Whether you're sending a sleek intro or dangling a discount, your welcome email needs to work harder. Let’s make it convert. Timestamps: 00:00 Intro: Why First Impressions in Email Matter 02:00 Gmail Dark Mode Design Issues 04:00 Outway Welcome Email Breakdown 07:00 Kith’s Unique Omnichannel Email Approach 10:00 Subject Line Specificity Debate 13:00 Cart, Checkout, and Browse Abandon Logic 16:00 Breeze Email Breakdown: Clarity and Copy Issues 22:00 Obvi’s Use of Social Proof and Visual Hierarchy 25:00 Everlane’s High-Converting Subject Line Strategy 30:00 Felix & Norton: Where Design Overshadows Clarity 34:00 Whoop: Sleek Design, But Missing Value Proposition 37:00 BC Liquor: Surprisingly Effective Government Email 38:30 Final Takeaways on Welcome Flows and Email Psychology Hashtags: #EmailMarketing #WelcomeEmail #RetentionMarketing #LifecycleMarketing #DTCMarketing #EcommerceTips #MarketingStrategy #EmailDesign #CustomerRetention #MarketingPodcast Work with Pilothouse: https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast Subscribe to DTC: https://www.directtoconsumer.co/ Listen to DTC Podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast | |||
| Ep 42: Optimizing for Profit, Not Just Conversion Rate | 15 Jul 2025 | 00:38:22 | |
Most brands look at their global conversion rate and panic—but what if that number doesn’t actually mean what you think it does? In this episode, Jordan sits down with Evan O’Gorman, former head of CRO at Pilothouse, to talk about why conversion rate alone is a misleading success metric—and what to focus on instead if you want to drive real profit. They cover: ✅ How traffic source and intent shape your funnel ✅ Why retention plays a bigger role in CRO than you think ✅ Common mistakes brands make when optimizing their site ✅ The importance of buyer segmentation, bundling, and LTV ✅ How to align ad, email, and site strategy for long-term growth If you care about profitable growth, this one’s for you. Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction: Why Global Conversion Rate is Misleading 03:00 Full Funnel CRO: Beyond Just Website Testing 07:00 Breaking Down Traffic Source Impact on Conversion 13:00 Time to Purchase and Retargeting Strategies 21:00 Optimizing AOV with Rebuy and Klaviyo 28:00 Aligning CRO and Retention for Maximum Profit 33:00 Why Optimizing Bottom-of-Funnel Impacts Your Entire Business Hashtags: #CRO #RetentionMarketing #EcommerceStrategy #DTCGrowth #ConversionRateOptimization #FullFunnelMarketing #CustomerRetention #ShopifyOptimization #EmailMarketing #PerformanceMarketing #EcomTips #DTCBrand #MarketingPodcast #GrowthMarketing #EcommercePodcast #AOV #LTV #MarketingStrategy #Pilothouse Work with Pilothouse: https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast Subscribe to DTC: https://www.directtoconsumer.co/ Listen to DTC Podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast | |||
| Ep 41: List Growth, Fingerprints, Spam Flags, and What Actually Works | 08 Jul 2025 | 00:23:06 | |
In this episode, Jordan breaks down the world of offsite email capture tools: how they use fingerprinting to add contacts without a direct opt-in, why they can be a top source of spam complaints, and how brands are using them to unlock real revenue. You’ll learn:
Timestamps: 00:00 - Why retention beats acquisition 02:00 - How these list growth tools work 06:00 - The risks of spam complaints 12:00 - Attribution vs. actual revenue 18:00 - Segmentation strategies to protect sender reputation 21:00 - When list growth tools are actually worth it Hashtags: #EmailMarketing #ListGrowth #RetentionMarketing #EcommerceMarketing #Deliverability #MarketingTools #Fingerprinting #SpamComplaints #DTCMarketing #CustomerRetention #EmailGrowth #MarketingStrategy #Pilothouse #DTCBrands #MarketingPodcast Work with Pilothouse: https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast Subscribe to DTC: https://www.directtoconsumer.co/ Listen to DTC Podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast | |||
| Ep 40: Scale the Ecosystem, Scale the Brand | 01 Jul 2025 | 00:48:51 | |
Your ecommerce brand isn’t just running campaigns—it’s running an ecosystem. In this episode, Jordan breaks down the three interconnected digital ecosystems every brand relies on: 🧱 The Persistent Revenue Ecosystem 💰 The Advertising Revenue Ecosystem 📣 The Brand Awareness Ecosystem Learn how they interact, how to measure them, and what happens when one breaks down. From campaign strategy and CRO to email flows and brand impressions, this is the foundational episode that ties it all together. If you’ve ever wondered why your growth feels stuck—or why your ROAS is slipping despite strong creative—this episode will show you where to look. Timestamps: 00:00 Intro and Why Email & Retention Matters 02:00 Rethinking the Marketing Funnel as an Ecosystem 08:00 The Persistent Revenue Ecosystem Explained 17:00 Why Campaigns Aren’t for Revenue 27:00 The Role of Your Established Audience 30:00 What Makes Advertising Revenue Ecosystems Work 36:00 Building Brand Awareness Through Email 44:00 Testing and CRO for Homepage vs. PDP 47:00 The Full Ecosystem Recap Hashtags: #EcommerceMarketing #DigitalEcosystem #RetentionMarketing #EmailMarketing #DTCBrands #CRO #AdStrategy #Klaviyo #ShopifyBrands #MarketingPodcast #CustomerRetention #GrowthMarketing #BrandAwareness #PaidSocial #PerformanceMarketing #DTCStrategy #MarketingEcosystem #MarketingOps #EcommerceGrowth #TWBERP Work with Pilothouse: https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast Subscribe to DTC: https://www.directtoconsumer.co/ Listen to DTC Podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast | |||
| Ep 43: Emails Should Inspire, Not Blend In: Discussing Minimalism vs. Maximalism in Email Design | 22 Jul 2025 | 00:30:32 | |
Why do so many fashion brands use the exact same email template? In this episode, Jordan Gordon unpacks the rise of bland, minimalist design in email marketing AND makes the case for bold, expressive, brand-driven creative. From black-and-white hero shots to transparent CTAs, we break down why inbox sameness is suffocating creativity, and how maximalist design can reignite brand recall, retention, and revenue. If you want your emails to stand out, inspire, and convert, this one’s for you. Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction to Pilothouse’s Retention Philosophy 02:00 Why Every Brand Is Using the Same Email Template 07:00 The Real Purpose of Campaign Emails 12:00 Adding Beauty to the Inbox Through Design 18:00 The Advantage of Small Brands in Email Creativity 25:00 Maximalism in Email: NBA's Bold Approach 29:00 Final Thoughts on Brand Recall and Free Traffic Hashtags: #EmailMarketing #RetentionMarketing #EcommerceMarketing #DTCMarketing #EmailDesign #BrandStrategy #MarketingDesign #CustomerRetention #MarketingPodcast #InboxInspiration #DigitalBranding #MinimalismVsMaximalism #CreativeMarketing Work with Pilothouse: https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast Subscribe to DTC: https://www.directtoconsumer.co/ Listen to DTC Podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast | |||
| Ep 44: Stock the Pond, Fill the Funnel, Make Money: How retention keeps revenue flowing | 29 Jul 2025 | 00:25:32 | |
In this follow-up to our ecosystems deep dive, Jordan breaks down how a strong retention system—email, SMS, and CRO—can keep revenue flowing even when acquisition slows. You’ll learn how to measure your persistent revenue ecosystem, track key funnel stages (from new address to repeat buyer), and spot the hidden ROI of brand equity. Plus: real data, cohort math, and a reminder that retention is a methodology, not a channel. Timestamps: 00:00 Customer retention as a growth strategy 02:00 What is the persistent revenue ecosystem? 05:00 Why ecosystems must be multi-channel 09:00 Understanding your retention funnel 13:00 New vs repeat buyer data deep dive 20:00 Real-world brand example: cutting top-of-funnel spend 23:00 Turning new addresses into repeat buyers 25:00 Final thoughts on persistent revenue strategies Hashtags: #EmailMarketing #CustomerRetention #EcommerceGrowth #LifecycleMarketing #RetentionMarketing #DigitalEcosystems #MarketingStrategy #DTCBrands #RevenueOptimization #EmailStrategy #CRO #SMSMarketing #MarketingFunnels #BrandEquity #MarketingPodcast #TWBERP #Pilothouse #DTCNetwork Work with Pilothouse: https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast Subscribe to DTC: https://www.directtoconsumer.co/ Listen to DTC Podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast | |||
| Ep 45: 7 Post-Click Metrics to Benchmark Your Funnel: Journey Metrics Crash Course | 05 Aug 2025 | 00:50:11 | |
Need to know—fast—whether your funnel’s working? In this episode, Jordan shares the exact system he used to audit 100+ ecommerce sites in just two days.
It’s a crash course in post-click performance: the 7 key metrics that tell you if your site is converting, retaining revenue, and setting you up for repeat purchases. You’ll learn:
Timestamps: 00:00 Intro and Purpose of the Metrics Framework 02:00 Moving to Port Alberni and Merging CRO with Email Retention 04:00 Grouping Accounts by Business Model and Funnel Benchmarks 06:00 Key Metrics Overview: From Load Time to Klaviyo Revenue 12:00 Real-World Use Case for Assessing Site Performance 16:00 Interpreting Cart Add and Conversion Rate Benchmarks 22:00 Discount, Return, and Completion Rate Analysis 28:00 Klaviyo Revenue Attribution Explained 34:00 Meta and Google’s Role in Your Post-Click Metrics 44:00 Qualitative Site Walkthrough: Homepage to Checkout Hashtags: #Ecommerce #RetentionMarketing #CustomerJourney #FunnelOptimization #ConversionRateOptimization #EmailMarketing #Klaviyo #CRO #Benchmarking #PostClickMetrics #DataDrivenMarketing #EcomAnalytics #TWBERP #WorldsBestEmailRetentionPodcast #MarketingPodcast #DTCMarketing Work with Pilothouse: https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast Subscribe to DTC: https://www.directtoconsumer.co/ Listen to DTC Podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast | |||
| Ep 47: Retention Bootcamp: Mastering Your Welcome Experience | 19 Aug 2025 | 00:31:15 | |
We’re digging back into the AKNF archive for this classic session of Retention Bootcamp. In this episode, Jordan and Eric break down the welcome experience, from merchandising to education to lifestyle content, and show you how to craft a sequence that drives first purchases, shortens time-to-buy, and boosts 30-day purchase rates. If you’ve been leaning too hard on coupons or sending “one and done” welcomes, this replay will give you a proven framework for building sequences that actually sell. #EmailMarketing #CustomerRetention #WelcomeSeries #RetentionBootcamp #LifecycleMarketing #EcommerceMarketing #DTCRetention #DTCGrowth #EcommerceEmail #ShopifyMarketing #MarketingStrategy #DigitalMarketing 00:00:00 – Introduction 00:03:00 – The 4-Email Welcome Framework 00:06:00 – Coupons vs. Brand Promise: Getting the Balance Right 00:13:00 – Finding the Right Cadence (Daily vs. Every Other Day) 00:14:00 – Educational Emails That Build Trust 00:17:00 – Lifestyle Content: Let Them See Their Life With Your Product 00:21:00 – Testing Frequency & Handling Opt-Outs 00:26:00 – Metrics That Matter: Time-to-Buy vs. 30-Day Purchase Rate Work with Pilothouse: https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast Subscribe to DTC: https://www.directtoconsumer.co/ Listen to DTC Podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast | |||
| Ep 46: The Only Browse Abandon Email You'll Ever Need | 12 Aug 2025 | 00:38:44 | |
Think your browse abandonment email is doing the job? Think again. In this episode, Jordan breaks down the only browse abandon flow you’ll ever need—from trigger to send timing, segmentation, and dynamic content strategy—so you stop leaving easy revenue on the table. You’ll learn: How to time emails to hug buying intent without feeling pushy The 5 dynamic merchandising types that actually drive clicks (and which to avoid) Why subject lines are the secret to higher on-page conversion, not just opens How to turn a “maybe later” shopper into a customer without discounting too soon If you’ve got a weak, one-and-done browse abandon, this is your blueprint for building a revenue machine that runs on autopilot. #EmailMarketing #DigitalMarketing #EcommerceTips #EcommerceGrowth #MarketingAutomation #MarketingStrategy #CustomerRetention #ConversionRateOptimization #EcommerceStrategy #EmailAutomation #CustomerEngagement #EcomTips #ShopifyStores #EmailDesign #EmailFlows #AbandonedCart #LifecycleMarketing #RetentionMarketing #DTCGrowth #EcommerceConversions #BrowseAbandon #AbandonmentEmail #BrowseRecovery #EmailFlowsThatConvert #RetentionEmail #CustomerLifecycle #Klaviyo #KlaviyoFlows #EcommerceRetention #EmailOptimization #TriggeredEmails #LifecycleEmailMarketing #RetentionTactics #RetentionRevenue #FlowOptimization #EmailRevenue #DTCEmail #DTCStrategies 00:00 – Introduction 00:55 – The #1 mistake brands make with browse abandon emails 04:12 – Trigger logic that catches shoppers before they’re gone for good 08:47 – The “20 minutes + 8 hours” timing rule for maximum intent 13:15 – Why your subject line impacts revenue more than open rates 20:50 – Dynamic merchandising types that actually drive clicks 27:45 – Funnel Flusher: the last-chance email that recovers lost revenue 35:40 – The “no prices in email” rule that saves you from costly mistakes Work with Pilothouse: https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast Subscribe to DTC: https://www.directtoconsumer.co/ Listen to DTC Podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast | |||
| Ep 48: American Eagle vs. Everlane: Who Wins the Inbox? (Part 1) | 26 Aug 2025 | 00:32:47 | |
In this episode, Jordan Gordon from Pilothouse breaks down how these two apparel giants approach email, onsite creative, and retention strategy. From American Eagle’s triple-tap sends and maximalist promos to Everlane’s minimalist subject lines and brand positioning, we explore what actually works and what’s just noise. 👉 Listen in to uncover:
#EmailMarketing #RetentionMarketing #DTCMarketing #EcommerceMarketing #DigitalMarketing #AmericanEagle #Everlane #InboxWars #CustomerRetention #EcommerceGrowth #BrandStrategy #MarketingStrategy #CustomerExperience #MarketingPodcast 00:00 – Retention is the cheapest growth lever 02:00 – American Eagle vs. Everlane: framing the matchup 05:00 – Celebrity campaigns: hype, sales, and stock price 08:00 – Market cap & trading-range reality check 13:00 – Everlane’s DTC-first retention edge 16:00 – Subject line strategy: % off vs. $35 anchor 21:00 – Email frequency & inboxing risks 27:00 – Onsite teardown: homepage, pop-ups, and PDP misses Work with Pilothouse: https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast Subscribe to DTC: https://www.directtoconsumer.co/ Listen to DTC Podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast | |||
| Ep 49: American Eagle vs. Everlane (Part 2 – Brand vs. Revenue) | 02 Sep 2025 | 00:33:43 | |
In Part 2 of our American Eagle vs. Everlane breakdown, we shift focus to Everlane. Jordan Gordon dives into how the DTC-first brand approaches email and onsite strategy compared to AE’s revenue-driven program. From minimalist design choices to refined upsell tactics, we explore how Everlane uses email as a brand-building tool while American Eagle leans on volume to hit quarterly numbers. You’ll learn:
#EmailMarketing #RetentionMarketing #LifecycleMarketing #EmailStrategy #CustomerRetention #Retention #BrandBuilding #RevenueGrowth #BrandVsRevenue #EcommerceStrategy #AmericanEagle #Everlane #DTC #DirectToConsumer #Ecommerce #TWBERP #DTCPodcast #MarketingPodcast #EcommercePodcast 00:00:00 - Intro 00:01:00 - Brand vs. Revenue 00:03:00 - Everlane’s DTC Reality 00:06:00 - Subject Lines & Preheaders 00:09:00 - Short Subject Lines 00:13:00 - Minimalist Email Design 00:20:00 - Artistic Visuals 00:28:00 - Final Takeaways Work with Pilothouse: https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast Subscribe to DTC: https://www.directtoconsumer.co/ Listen to DTC Podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast | |||