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The wisdom messenger

Sophie Messager

Health & Fitness

Frequency: 1 episode/40d. Total Eps: 15

In this show, I interview pioneers in women’s health and personal development about ground-breaking concepts that help women reclaim lost knowledge and inner wisdom. By bridging insights from ancient traditions and modern research, we’ll question stale cultural narratives and midwife a new paradigm around birth, life transitions, and women’s autonomy. Join me as we delve into stories and studies that empower women to reconnect with their inner voice. Tune in as we rediscover what it means to fully trust ourselves and shape our collective future.

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Menopause Consciousness with Kate Codrington

Friday, April 4, 2025 • Duration 57:36

In this episode, I interview Kate Codrington and we discuss the changes of consciousness during menopause.

Kate is a mentor, author, speaker, and artist with 30+ years as a therapist. Her book Second Spring: The Self-Care Guide to Menopause was named among NYT's top seven menopause books. She mentors those in perimenopause individually and in groups, guides nature-based Yoga Nidra, hosts "Life - An Inside Job" podcast, and creates textile art.

We explore the natural inward journey that often conflicts with society's expectations, Kate's seasonal framework for understanding our life changes, and practical wisdom for navigating this transformative time.

The Consciousness Shift: Kate explains how perimenopause creates a natural inward focus, making external demands increasingly exhausting and disconnecting.
Cultural Context: Discussion of how patriarchal narratives conflict with women's natural needs during this transition.
Seasonal Framework: Kate introduces her seasonal map for understanding different life stages, including the concept of a "second spring" post-menopause.
Practical Support: Insights on how women can honor their changing needs while balancing multiple responsibilities.
HRT Considerations: Balanced perspective on hormone therapy as one possible tool, with recommendations for mindful implementation and tracking.
Post-Menopause Purpose: Exploration of how this life stage often brings stronger connection to earth, community service, and clarified values.

"Perimenopause is characterised by a shift towards an internal focus, with the outside world becoming unappealing and exhausting. There's a deep need for space, connection with the earth, and intimacy with oneself."

"The post-menopausal stage often brings a stronger connection to the earth and a desire to serve the community. It's like entering a second spring with renewed purpose and clarity."

You can find Kate at

Music by Olivier Messager

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Birth consciousness with Alison Shaloe

Monday, March 17, 2025 • Duration 01:03:56

In this insightful conversation, midwife and lactation consultant Alison Shaloe shares her 30-year journey supporting women through pregnancy and birth. She discusses her work at the Sacred Fertility and Birth Sanctuary and offers a refreshing perspective on how childbirth can be approached as a transcendent, empowering experience rather than a medical event.

Key Highlights:

A Spiritual Awakening: Alison reveals her personal challenges with cesarean births and breastfeeding that led to specializing in tongue-tie support, and how Reiki opened her to spiritual dimensions of birth, including the ability to hear messages from babies.
Breaking Through Dogma: Alison discusses the challenges of speaking about spiritual aspects of birth in a society dominated by scientific dogma and fear, sharing how her book evolved from clinical focus to include channelled information from spirit babies.
Altered States of Consciousness: Our conversation explores how women naturally enter altered states during labour—a necessary surrender that's rarely taught in midwifery education but is essential to the birth process.
Patriarchal Systems in Birth: Alison highlights how current birth practices often reflect patriarchal attitudes that interrupt women's natural birthing processes, from computerized systems to unnecessary interventions that disempower women.
Honouring Women Through Ritual: The importance of ceremonies like "mother blessing" and "closing the bones" is discussed as essential cultural practices that honour women's journey into motherhood and support significant life transitions.
Creating Sacred Birth Spaces: Alison shares her vision for birth environments that honour the spiritual and emotional connection between mother and baby, emphasizing the need for privacy, respect, and gentle first moments after birth.

You can find Alison on her website

https://alisonshaloe.com/

Music by my brother Olivier Messager

From Manipulation to Meaning: Caroline Leon on Conscious Business Growth

Friday, November 29, 2024 • Duration 01:09:04

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In this insightful conversation, business coach Caroline Leon shares her journey and philosophy of ethical business practices. She discusses how she helps coaches, healers, and teachers build sustainable businesses without resorting to manipulative marketing tactics. With years of experience transitioning from corporate work to conscious business coaching, Caroline offers a refreshing perspective on how business can be both profitable and aligned with personal values.

Key Highlights:

The Dark Side of Marketing: Caroline exposes common manipulative marketing tactics like artificial scarcity, pressure tactics, and countdown timers. She emphasises how these techniques often exploit people's vulnerabilities and create distrust, particularly in the coaching industry.
The Power of Authentic Connection: Instead of focusing on perfect websites and polished marketing, Caroline advocates for genuine connection through conversations, gift sessions, and valuable content sharing. She highlights how sustainable business growth comes from building real relationships rather than following formulaic approaches.
Putting People Before Profit: A cornerstone of conscious business is prioritising both the client's and the business owner's wellbeing. Caroline discusses how this approach leads to sustainable growth and helps entrepreneurs avoid burnout while maintaining integrity.
The Importance of Generosity and Transparency: Caroline shares how being genuinely generous with knowledge and transparent about selling can build trust. She emphasises the value of giving real content and being clear about when you're selling versus when you're sharing information.
Sustainable Growth Takes Time: Through a client success story, Caroline illustrates how authentic business growth often takes years, not weeks. She shares how one spiritual coach grew from earning £16,000 to six figures over several years by consistently applying ethical business principles.
Finding Your Authentic Path: Caroline emphasises the importance of choosing marketing methods that feel authentic to the individual, rather than following a one-size-fits-all approach. She encourages entrepreneurs to select platforms and strategies that align with their personal preferences and values.

Jeff Strong Drumming, Neuroscience, and Healing

Tuesday, July 16, 2024 • Duration 01:09:03

Jeff is a percussionist, composer, recording engineer, researcher, and adult living with ADHD. Jeff is the Director of the Strong Institute - an auditory brain stimulation research organization - and Brain Stim Audio - an interactive brain stimulation music site. He has written 8 books and published dozens of research articles about music and the brain, particularly as it applies to autism and ADHD.

In this enlightening conversation, we explore the intersection of drumming, neuroscience, and alternative healing practices. Our discussion covers a wide range of topics, from Jeff's personal journey with ADHD to the neurological benefits of drumming, and from ancient shamanic practices to modern applications of rhythm-based therapies.

Highlights:

Neurological Benefits of Drumming: Jeff's research reveals how specific drumming frequencies can synchronize brain waves, potentially aiding individuals with ADHD, autism, and sleep disorders.
Shamanic Practices and Altered States: The conversation delves into the historical roots of shamanic drumming and its ability to induce altered states of consciousness, drawing parallels with psychedelic experiences.
Therapeutic Applications: We discuss the potential of drumming in trauma healing, addiction recovery, and as a calming technique for various conditions.
Cultural Context and Integration: We explore the cultural significance of drumming practices and the potential for integrating these techniques with modern medicine and wellness approaches.
Personal Experiences and Critical Perspectives: We share their personal experiences with medication, Western medicine's approach to mental health, and alternative therapies, offering critical insights into current treatment paradigms.

You can find Jeff at at

Stronginstitute.com
@jeffstrongdrums

Music by my brother Olivier Messager

Journey to wholeness with Leonie Dawson

Tuesday, June 4, 2024 • Duration 01:03:36

In this episode, I interview Leonie Dawson. Leonie is an Australian author, entrepreneur, and business coach. an internationally best-selling author of the My Brilliant Year workbooks. I like to refer to her as a neurodivergent sweary rainbow unicorn business goddess. Join us as we explore themes such as mental health, self-care, embracing authenticity, and the power of vulnerability in personal and professional growth. Listening to Leonie’s story is a masterclass in prioritising your well-being, embracing your multi-passions, and overcoming societal conditioning to live your most authentic life. Highlights of the episode include: Navigating Mental Health Challenges: Leonie shares her personal journey with mental health, offering practical strategies for self-care, managing neurodivergence, and seeking professional support when needed. Balancing Work and Life Priorities: Leonie shares the art of finding harmony between professional ambitions and personal values, addressing the importance of setting boundaries, avoiding burnout, and aligning your work with your core priorities. Embracing Authenticity and Vulnerability: The discussion centres on the power of authenticity in business, marketing, and personal growth, emphasising the healing and transformative nature of vulnerability and sharing one's true voice with the world. Completing Creative Projects: Leonie shares her insights on the process of completing creative projects, discussing the personal growth that comes from finishing and sharing one's work, and overcoming the barriers of self-doubt and imposter syndrome. Empowering Underrepresented Voices: Leonie shines a light on the unique challenges faced by underrepresented communities, such as women, people of colour, and the LGBTQIA+ community, and encourages listeners to challenge societal conditioning and embrace their authentic selves. You can find Leonie at at https://leoniedawson.com/ @leonie_dawson

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Awaken to your authentic power with Rachael Crow

Friday, May 24, 2024 • Duration 01:00:33

A spiritual guide dedicated to women's empowerment, Rachael facilitates circles, workshops and healing sessions. From menarche to menopause, she creates sacred spaces honouring life's transitions. Based in West Wales surrounded by nature, her multifaceted work helps others awaken to their authentic power.

In this interview we cover a wide range of topics centred around empowering women, embracing self-care, exploring spiritual practices, and finding healing through various modalities. We discussed the importance of cultural rituals, women's circles, and reclaiming practices like drumming that have historically been taken away from women. We emphasise the need for continuous self-reflection when engaging in these practices. Rachael shares personal experiences with struggles like addiction, cancer, and finding purpose through helping others. This conversation also focuses on the significance of energy management, self-care practices, and celebrating women's achievements.

Highlight Points:

Embracing diversity and multifacetedness: Rachael encourages others to embrace and showcase their diverse skills and interests, reflecting her own journey of self-discovery and exploration of various healing modalities.
Prioritising energy management and self-care for women: Both Rachael and Sophie stress the importance of women prioritising their energy levels and engaging in self-care practices to align their work with their passions and well-being.
The power of women's circles and cultural rituals: we discuss the transformative impact of women's circles and the need to reclaim cultural rituals surrounding significant life events like motherhood, menopause, and childbirth, which can create a sense of belonging and empowerment for women.
Drumming as a healing and empowering practice: Rachael shares her experiences of how drumming has helped women rediscover their power and confidence, while Sophie explains how drumming as a safer alternative to psychedelics for achieving heightened states of consciousness and interrupting negative thought patterns.
Exploring alternative healing modalities: we touch on various techniques for achieving heightened states of mind, and reflect on exploring different paths to healing and personal growth.

Reclaiming the Rhythms of Life with Barbara Gail

Friday, March 29, 2024 • Duration 01:01:56

As a visionary, and inspired by Layne Redmond's Mob of Angels, she created Moonrise: Daughters of an Ancient Pulse and DrumRise! The Art of Women's Drumming, where women experienced transformation through sisterhood, by sharing the drum with one another and in the greater community. Women, Rhythm & Ritual and The Tambourine Path are recent incarnations of her ancient future wisdom teachings. With her husband and partner in all things, Jeff Hanna, she's co-owner of The Rhythm Inlet and The Ukulele Place music retail stores and teaching studios (which morphed in 2022).

Barbara's been sharing the joys of rhythm and movement, hand-drumming and dance, in her award-winning programs full-time for 30 years, and has facilitated hundreds of groups and thousands of people, of all ages, abilities and challenges, in over 400 venues and in 13 states. She also teaches online.

In this episode we have wide-ranging discussion covering various topics related to drumming, music, dance, education, cultural traditions, and empowering women. We explore the therapeutic benefits of participatory rhythm and movement practices across different cultures. We also discussed Sophie's upcoming book project, share resources and wisdom from influential figures like Lane, and delved into the complexities of respectfully sharing cultural knowledge. Throughout our conversation, we exchange insights from our experiences and highlight the value of collaboration in drumming.

Highlights include:

We discuss shared interests in education, dance, yoga, and various wisdom traditions focused on the transformative power of rhythm and movement practices.
We explore the origins and development of 5Rhythms dance, the importance of cultural exchange through playful learning, and the universal appeal of drumming across cultures.
We highlight the universality of participatory music and dance for connecting people, fostering community, while emphasising respect for cultural origins
We share experiences using drumming therapeutically to promote relaxation, release, self-awareness, facilitate multigenerational gatherings, and encourage cultural sensitivity.
We discuss the value of participatory drum circles, the significance of repetition in learning, and creating judgement-free spaces for expressive drumming and dancing.

Drums - gateways to the heart and soul with Melonie Syrett

Friday, March 1, 2024 • Duration 50:55

In this Episode I interview Melonie Syrett. Melonie, known as The Drum Woman, creates commissioned and channelled drums, leads drum circles and conventions, holds drum birthing workshops and retreats, teaches facilitator training, and guides drum-based sacred site expeditions.

In this episode, we explore the transformative power of drumming for empowerment and self-expression, particularly for women. Melonie shares her inspirational journey from teaching to professional drum-making and facilitating. We delve into Melonie's perspectives on drum circles as judgment-free spaces for presence, community, and personal growth.

Melonie, known as The drum woman, was called to drumming in 2012. Though she didn't realise it then, the drums came into her life to create positive change for herself and others. She left her career as a primary school teacher in 2017 to fully embrace the path of drumming she felt drawn to. Now Melonie creates commissioned and channelled drums, leads drum circles and conventions, holds drum birthing workshops and retreats, teaches facilitator training, and guides drum-based sacred site expeditions.

We have a wide-ranging conversation about the significance of drumming, especially for female empowerment and self-expression. We discuss Melonie's journey from teaching to becoming a full-time drum maker, facilitator and organiser of drumming events. The challenges of career transitions were explored, as well as the importance of balancing work with menstrual cycles. They talked about Melonie's experiences organising a major women's drumming convention and her plans for more events. The transformative power of drum circles was emphasised as a space for judgement-free self-expression and personal growth.

Highlights Include

Melonie share her journey from teaching to professional drumming, making her own drums, and organising drumming events.
We discuss the challenges faced when transitioning from teaching careers to new opportunities.
Melonie finds scheduling work around her menstrual cycle improves productivity and wellbeing.
How organising a 150-person women's drumming convention was daunting financially but created an incredible community spirit.

The healing power of the sacred drum with Hollie Hope

Friday, January 19, 2024 • Duration 01:06:47

In this episode, I interview Hollie Hope. Hollie is a mother, grandmother and an integrative healing arts practitioner, intuitive oracle and master of sacred sound. She has been supporting the community for the last 17 years through releasing traumas and distortions we hold with ourselves and teaching others how to open and activate their spiritual gifts and embracing their own feminine sensual embodiment.

Through techniques cultivated through healing her own lifetime of trauma and abuse she offers wisdom how to incorporate sacred sound when healing the mind, the physical body and the emotional body to assist in activating the most potent parts of our own uniqueness and our own master healer within ourselves.

In this episode, we explore Hollie’s journey into drumming as a sacred healing practice and its scientifically-backed benefits for stress relief, empowerment, emotional release, and trauma recovery, especially among women.

Highlights include:

Hollie’s journey into drumming after being invited to join a Native American drum circle. Despite initial hesitation, she experienced an emotional and physical connection to drumming.
How drumming became a self-healing tool for Hollie during a difficult time, helping her manage emotions and find stability. She evolved from personal use to teaching and making drums for others.
How drumming ceremonies facilitate healing, self-connection and emotional release for women by reopening dormant or stagnant parts.
Stories of using drum ceremonies to help two women release negative emotions/experiences and regain control and empowerment.
Research on drumming's benefits for trauma therapy by allowing expression of emotions and trauma release.
How drumming can release trauma stored in the body's cells.
How drumming can induce relaxing alpha brain waves to counter excessive stress-induced beta waves in modern life.
How drumming aids meditation, stress relief, emotional regulation, and self-expression by connecting the body and mind.
Hollie’s new book, The Sacred Healing Drum

From fear free birthing to fear free living with Alexia Leachman

Season 1 · Episode 6

Friday, December 15, 2023 • Duration 01:13:08

In this episode I interview Alexia Leachman is a mindset coach, digital strategist, entrepreneur, author and speaker.

Alexia is the creator of Head Trash Clearance, a transformative healing method that emerged from her personal journey to overcome her extreme fear of pregnancy and childbirth (tokophobia). Her courageous efforts to heal herself during her pregnancy led Alexia to ditch her planned c-section for a remarkable home birth. She then focused on helping other women overcome their fears through her "Fear Free Childbirth" podcast, self-healing products and programs, and by developing her innovative Head Trash Clearance method. With her background in branding and passion for empowering people to heal anxiety, depression and OCD, Alexia aims to build a global mental health and resilience brand to make healing accessible, enjoyable and efficient.

In this episode, Alexia shares her journey in healing her fear of birth, how she started by helping others doing the same and then using her head trash clearance method to support people with their mindset, mental health, and increase their level of consciousness.

Key topics include: challenges within the Western medical system in treating mental health; the influence of parenting on children; Alexia's unique emotional mapping method; and her plans to launch a trauma-healing program.

After an unexpected pregnancy and miscarriage, Alexia developed a debilitating fear of childbirth (tokophobia). Though she created a self-help method, her midwife dismissed her anguish. By trusting her body and bonding with her baby, Alexia found freedom from her terror. She also questioned the overmedicalization of birth.

Alexia and Sophie challenged the growing technological influence over fertility and childbirth for neglecting personalized care. Though scheduled for an induction, Alexia achieved an intervention-free birth through advocacy. They considered life phases like motherhood potential openings for healing.

Seeking Alternative Treatment

Alexia shared an effective alternative technique she uses to treat deep-seated fears like tokophobia by shifting mindsets. They stressed meeting people where they are without judgment. They also debated ways to make therapy more accessible.

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