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Parenting invites us into some of our deepest growth—challenging our beliefs, emotional patterns, and ideas of balance. In this episode of The Human Experience (THE) Podcast, Dr. Carlos Garcia and Supna Doshi explore the complexities of work-life balance, conscious parenting, and the emotional intelligence required to raise children with both love and resilience.

Carlos reflects on recent professional milestones, including a speaking engagement and a renewed focus on aligning his work with personal values. The conversation naturally expands into deeply personal territory as he shares reflections on family decisions around frozen embryos and the emotions that surface when navigating timing, readiness, and trust in the body's wisdom.

Supna and Carlos then dive into their contrasting yet complementary parenting styles. Supna emphasizes connection, explanation, and helping children understand the "why" behind boundaries, while Carlos wrestles with balancing tenderness and firmness—especially in moments that require discipline. Through real-life parenting moments, including rupture and repair, they unpack how gentle and conscious parenting is less about perfection and more about presence, accountability, and emotional honesty.

As the episode unfolds, they explore the importance of empathy, quality time, and inner work as foundations for healthy parent-child relationships. From teaching emotional awareness to modeling reconciliation and trust, this conversation invites listeners to reflect on how parenting—and life itself—asks us to grow alongside those we love.

🎧 In this episode, we explore:

• Balancing work, purpose, and family life
  
  

• Conscious and gentle parenting approaches
  
  

• Love, discipline, and emotional repair
  
  

• Teaching children the "why" behind boundaries
  
  

• Emotional intelligence and empathy in parenting
  
  

• The importance of connection, presence, and inner work
  
  

✨ Parenting isn't about having all the answers—it's about growing, repairing, and learning alongside our children.

🎶 Special Thanks
We are deeply grateful to Michael Hoppe for allowing us to use his extraordinary music in our intro and outro. A Grammy-nominated, Emmy and Academy Award–winning composer, Michael's work has inspired millions worldwide and adds a profound spiritual depth to The Human Experience.

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Spirituality is not a single path—it's a deeply personal journey shaped by experience, culture, and inner discovery. In this episode of The Human Experience (THE) Podcast, Dr. Carlos Garcia and Supna Doshi share their evolving spiritual journeys and explore what it truly means to find inner peace and guidance.

Through intimate stories and cross-cultural reflections, Carlos and Supna discuss moving beyond structured religion into lived spirituality, the role of meditation and mindfulness in quieting the mind, and how spiritual awareness can be found in everyday moments—through nature, music, relationships, and parenting. They reflect on transformative experiences, including travel, parenthood, and moments of deep surrender, while emphasizing that spiritual guidance ultimately comes from within.

The conversation also touches on teaching mindfulness to children, releasing attachment to material desires, and allowing each individual the freedom to discover their own spiritual path. This episode invites listeners to slow down, listen inward, and trust the unfolding of their own journey toward peace and purpose.

🎧 In this episode, we explore:

• Personal spiritual journeys and evolving beliefs

• Structured religion vs. internalized spirituality

• Meditation, mindfulness, and quieting the mind

• Finding divinity in everyday experiences

• Parenting, children, and spiritual exploration

• Inner peace, self-trust, and surrender

✨ Spirituality isn't about following one path—it's about discovering what brings you home to yourself.

🎶 Special Thanks

We are deeply grateful to Michael Hoppe for allowing us to use his extraordinary music in our intro and outro. A Grammy-nominated, Emmy and Academy Award–winning composer, Michael's work has inspired millions worldwide and adds a profound spiritual depth to The Human Experience.

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• Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, commenting, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Fair use is a use permitted by copyright statute that might otherwise be infringing. Non-profit, educational or personal use tips the balance in favor of fair use.

1)This video has no negative impact on the original works (It would actually be positive for them).

2)This video is also for teaching purposes.

3)It is not transformative in nature.

4)I only used bits and pieces of videos to get the point across where necessary.

The creator does not own the rights to these video clips. It is to bring context and help create an atmospheric feeling that will help and inspire people in their life. 

The use is not intended to interfere in any manner with their commercial exploitation of the complete work by the owners of the copyright. 

They have, in accordance with fair use, been repurposed with the intent of educating and inspiring others. However, if any content owners would like their images removed, please contact us.

Our purpose, when making motivational videos, is to make quality educational motivational videos and share these with our viewers.

🎧 EPISODE 3: Spiritual Tools That Actually Work
How do you reconnect with your spirit when your mind just won't quiet down?

In this episode of The Human Experience (THE) Podcast, Supna Doshi and Dr. Carlos Garcia get real about the messy middle of spiritual growth—when you know the tools, but still feel stuck. Together, they explore what it actually takes to stay aligned, grounded, and connected when life feels overwhelming or uncertain.

From the power of breath and presence to the role of spiritual community and sacred teachers, this conversation offers real, relatable practices that bridge the gap between who we are and who we're becoming.

🛠️ "You can't force your way into alignment—you have to surrender to it."
💡 "Even spiritual tools need spiritual patience."

Whether you're deep on your path or just starting to question the noise of your mind, this episode is a heartfelt reminder: You're not broken. You're becoming. And there are tools that can help.

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Tools for Bridging the Mind & Spirit Transcript:

[00:00:00] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Welcome to the podcast, the Human Experience Podcast, where we explore the depths of spirituality and our own personal journeys and experiences. I'm Dr. Carlos Garcia. 

[00:00:11] Supna Doshi: And I'm Supna Doshi. In this space, we'll reflect on the wisdom of some of the most profound spiritual teachers from Eckhart Toi to Ramdas Wayne Dyer, Michael Singer.

[00:00:23] Supna Doshi: Together we'll dive into their teachings and share our own insights that have guided us on our own paths of self-discovery. [00:00:30] 

[00:00:30] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Each episode will feature inspiring clips from these masters, weaving them into our own reflections and conversations on how spirituality has enriched our daily lives, deepened our understanding of ourselves, and led us to a more meaningful experience.

[00:00:47] Supna Doshi: So take a deep breath, open your heart, and join us on this journey of exploration. Welcome to the podcast, the Human Experience Podcast. [00:01:00] Thank God for tools. Yeah. 'cause it's the only way that I can bridge the gap for myself between that spirit and the mind. They call it so many different things like mindfulness and meditation and all of the, all of these different terms.

[00:01:17] Supna Doshi: But for me, if it, it's a practice, like it's a way of life, but the same ones don't work all the time. It depends on, what I'm going through, where I am, and then [00:01:30] sometimes none of them work. And then I call Carlos and I'm like, okay, Carlos, let me some of your tool bag, two tool bags, because none of mine are working.

[00:01:39] Supna Doshi: Like I'm just in my head and I can't get out and I can observe it and be aware of it. But stopping that, from thinking it to action, like stopping that piece can be, has been very challenging recently for me. 

[00:01:54] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. I wonder if it would be helpful for [00:02:00] listeners to like, have this sort of contextual framework for what is happening in that space in between.

[00:02:08] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Where again, where we can say we're getting lost or where we're forgetting. 

[00:02:13] Wayne Dyer: If you took the tiny little spark that began you and tried to find its origination point and reduced it down to its smallest, tiniest fragment, and ultimately put it into a, what we call a particle accelerator and revved it up as fast as you can, rev it up and collided it and tried [00:02:30] to find out what was the basis, what is the spark that began you, what did it look like?

[00:02:34] Wayne Dyer: You open up that particle accelerator, you look inside and there's nothing there. You came from energy. Then you were, you were in your parents' womb, your mother's womb for this nine months, and in the nine months of being inside of your mother's womb, everything that you needed for the physical journey and for the entire journey was taken care of.

[00:02:59] Wayne Dyer: It was [00:03:00] all handled for you. There was nothing for you to do. In the D it says you are doing nothing. You're just being done. Have you ever had that awareness? You ever look in the mirror and realize that this has nothing to do with anything that you're doing, you're just being done. Things that start happening, 

[00:03:24] Dr. Carlos Garcia: That, that distance, yeah, that, that feels like very like my daily work, [00:03:30] right? Ev ever since having this sort of profound awakening moment. I've heard it also described as integration. 

[00:03:39] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Like how do you come back into daily life and all of the ways that you've been wired with and integrate this thing that you've now experienced within your being.

[00:03:50] Supna Doshi: There's such a great, segment I heard from Ramdas where he talks, talked about how he was in India and on that spiritual journey. And then he came [00:04:00] home and his dad just asked him, do you have a job? And like that he was back. 

[00:04:06] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. If you think you're enlightened, go home and spend a week with your parents.

[00:04:10] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Two, two really powerful things that happened this week that I feel are relevant and can maybe give, an understanding. So one is this. Man that I work with, and he's, not even 20 yet, but has a father that's introduced the da de ching to him very early on in his life.

[00:04:27] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And so he's like very [00:04:30] aware. He's very, he's a very conscious, 19-year-old. And, part of our work together is sharing of how frustrating it is the path, right? We don't call it that, but we'll jump on a call and I'm just so frustrated, and why do I feel this way?

[00:04:46] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And I'm feeling depressed and I'm feeling disconnected. And then you could just tell over the course of our hour together, some of that starts to just come off. Fade away. And we arrive back at that place of oh, how it all [00:05:00] is. And then there's a shift in mood.

[00:05:02] Dr. Carlos Garcia: There's a shift in, in his energy and it's oh, yeah. We just keep forgetting. 

[00:05:09] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And by the end of the call, he's I got it. And I was like, okay. So I'll see you next week when you've forgotten again and you're kicking and screaming. Like, why does it have to be this way? 

[00:05:18] Supna Doshi: And I feel like to a degree, like as communities, I have this sense that we used to do that before with each other.

[00:05:28] Supna Doshi: Yeah. I have this sense [00:05:30] that our community. Was where we turned to when we forgot and they were there to remind us. And I feel, personally, I feel completely isolated and don't, besides my therapist on speed dial, those are the people that I go to be reminded now. And so it just made me think like the more we can have these.[00:06:00] 

[00:06:00] Supna Doshi: Conversations with each other on an, normalizing these conversations with each other on a society basis, on a community basis. I think the less intense it would be when we can remind each other. 

[00:06:14] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. Yeah. I agree. And it speaks to the sort of second incident or event that I wanted to share was having lunch.

[00:06:22] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Somebody I just met at a gathering recently and can tell, right? Very hard centered, spiritual but we didn't, we didn't get to [00:06:30] meet, know each other very well. And then over lunch. It was so interesting, like we started this conversation around like business owners and like the challenges and the challenges of life, and then the conversation just organically moved into like this understanding that we are both souls loving beings, navigating this like human existence and.

[00:06:57] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Again if you were witnessing this [00:07:00] conversation, you would see it go from this amplified, like anxiety and oh my God, all the things we struggle with to this moment where I just glared right through her eyeballs into her soul and be like, yeah you get what we're doing here, right?

[00:07:14] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Like you are a part of it all. You are like this. This is what we, this is what we're doing, right? And then this is like moment of like connection and ease. And in some cultures it's called Satan, or it's called the Sangha, right? [00:07:30] I had this really powerful meditation session recently where those words became like really relevant.

[00:07:40] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Like I understood them on a soul level because I was like, oh my God, I have so many people in my life that like, we haven't communicated to each other that's what we are. That's exactly the purpose that they fulfill in my life. Like you and like other people that are a constant reminder for [00:08:00] me, one of how easy it is to get lost in our humanness, but two of how it feels to then be connected again and remind each other.

[00:08:09] Supna Doshi: And I think that's speak. Speaking of kind of a framework or a structure, that's probably like the biggest one. It wasn't even on my. Radar, but I think that is the biggest one. It's like building a community around us where we can have these conversations, where we can remind each other, where how are you, is not, I'm [00:08:30] fine.

[00:08:31] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And I think too like the question this young man asked me is like, why do we forget? Why do we keep forgetting and why so often, my understanding. It's probably somewhat primitive understanding, I'm sure of it all. It's just like there are so many. Like just pulls from the system, I call it, right?

[00:08:54] Dr. Carlos Garcia: The day to day. The mind is wired to problem solve and seek solutions and [00:09:00] Right. The constant exposure to society and its messaging and social media and and. The ways our personalities and roles have been enforced, and even in our own minds, right? Like who I am.

[00:09:11] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I'm a psychologist, I am Carlos, I am a husband. I am right? And just the ways that sometimes unconsciously we continue to reinforce. Other roles in our human roles and our human labels. And I think that that is the work, right? That's why these tools are necessary because [00:09:30] there's such a strong force pulling us in the other direction.

[00:09:34] Dr. Carlos Garcia: My understanding is that's kind of part of it, right? That's the way it's supposed to be. That is part of the process of becoming an enlightened being and evolving is. Continually finding and using those tools so that you're less and less yanked or pulled or being driven by desires and attachments and some of that stuff 

[00:09:58] Supna Doshi: to other spiritualists, so [00:10:00] like Wayne Dyer and Michael Singer and Eckhart, and, but what you're talking about that.

[00:10:09] Supna Doshi: Stop forgetting. They all say in different words. It's part that is part of the journey that is part of the awakening. The forgetting is part of the awakening because it's a continuous, like we tend to think linearly and the spiritual path is not linear. And so that forgetting is part of the remembering.

[00:10:29] Supna Doshi: Yeah. [00:10:30] Like we talked about, you can't have the light without the dark and the joy without the. Sadness, even though we put those labels on it, you can't have the remembrance without the forget. 

[00:10:40] Wayne Dyer: Like the first moment of your conception, that moment that you went from non being to being, you think that it was your parents who did this, you know that you came from your parents, but I'm speaking on a quantum level here.

[00:10:55] Wayne Dyer: It didn't come from your parents. 

[00:10:58] Dr. Carlos Garcia: The listening to other spiritual [00:11:00] teachers, the communities, that, we associate ourselves with, here as we're talking, I'm I have beads in my hand, right? Mantras, right? Meditation, mindfulness so many practices.

[00:11:15] Dr. Carlos Garcia: That. And for me it's oh, now I understand why, you said it earlier they don't always work, but like, why? We need to just have in our toolbox so many of these tools because the forgetting is so easy. Like the more of these tools that we have, [00:11:30] we can, try to stay more centered in that space whenever possible.

[00:11:35] Supna Doshi: I think movement is also a big one for me. Recently I started running. Yeah. Because it was so bad for me because the forgetting was I had forgotten to such an extreme. I was like, okay, walking is not gonna cut it anymore. But I think movement is a good one. Why? Things like yoga and sports, and again, it's community activity so that you start to build that community.

[00:11:59] Supna Doshi: But [00:12:00] those those activities of movement. Are really powerful and shifting energy within you and take the edge off so that it's not so intense. 

[00:12:10] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah, and nature is a big one for me. 

[00:12:14] Supna Doshi: Nature is huge and we're blessed to live in, the sunny state of Florida where we can really relish the nature around us almost every day of the year.

[00:12:25] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I think at times, for me, feels, I. And really what I mean, [00:12:30] what I'm sharing here is right, like the process of this path, which is I was gonna say, like it feels so frustrating for me. It's like I get how this kid feels, right? Like he's speaking our story, right? But like, how frustrating it feels sometimes that you can be at times in a place of such deep, like clarity, right?

[00:12:51] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Or just knowing and that other moments. It just feels so darn hard and sticky [00:13:00] and frustrating and I, like I can see in me the part where part of the suffering is like my desire and yearning for continued clarity. For me to be in that space continually. But that's not where the learning is.

[00:13:19] Supna Doshi: Yeah. And that's attachment too. 

[00:13:21] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Totally 

[00:13:22] Supna Doshi: being attached to that. I am totally attached to that feeling of bliss all the time. But there's no growth in that. Yeah, [00:13:30] I think another one obviously I can label healthy and unhealthy, but distractions sometimes for me when it gets super intense sometimes the distraction is just, it also helps to take the edge off if I can't.

[00:13:44] Supna Doshi: The movement's not working or it's not helping or, the conversations, but I just slip back into that place. Sometimes they're just distractions for me. Like a really good book, like a really good saucy book. Sometimes it's [00:14:00] mindlessly scrolling.

[00:14:02] Supna Doshi: Sure. Just to get my brain to stop for a little while. I think obviously there are some other ones that aren't great. Like the alcohol or the, it it depends on the use, but and no judgment, just for me they're not effective distraction. But yeah, distractions sometimes are good.

[00:14:21] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. I, yeah. I totally agree. There's so much in the world pulling for our attention on a, just like minute to minute [00:14:30] level, right? Our jobs and our families and, the things that we're trying to accomplish in the world can often feel like distractions.

[00:14:38] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. And again, I just often speak to like, how. The path of least resistance, right? Like the mind is gonna go to what feels easier, right? Like it, it just is we're just wired that way. 

[00:14:53] Supna Doshi: Yeah. 

[00:14:54] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And so why some of these practices can feel challenging or [00:15:00] hard, especially at the beginning, like just meditation, right?

[00:15:02] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Anytime I'm trying to teach somebody some skills around meditation, it's but it's so hard. Yeah. It's supposed to be. And we do, we have this general aversion to hard, right? Like we do have, yeah, 

[00:15:15] Supna Doshi: I want it to be easy, 

[00:15:16] Dr. Carlos Garcia: right? Like we have a preference for, the good emotions and when things are easy and pleasant and I totally get that, 

[00:15:23] Supna Doshi: and I think the heart is just our own suffer. Like it's our own [00:15:30] creation, because. I want things easy, but if I can honestly, like objectively sit down I'm just making it hard on myself and that's why it's hard. Yeah. And if I can let go of that, then it would be easy, but that's too hard to do.

[00:15:47] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Share with me your version of how you make it hard on yourself, because I know that I do that as well and I'm like really curious, like how that shows up for you. 

[00:15:57] Supna Doshi: Yeah. I think when we were talking about [00:16:00] role. I think I can really be self-deprecating. When it comes to my attachment to my role, then, oh, but if you don't do this, you're not a good daughter.

[00:16:11] Supna Doshi: And, and it's not so much judgment from the outside. I'm not, I never have been somebody who's super attached to how other people see me, but how maybe my parents see me. Is probably the most attachment that I have is, oh, I always want to make them proud with my actions. [00:16:30] And so I get really grounded in that role.

[00:16:34] Supna Doshi: And so when I'm trying to do something that maybe, for me that sneaks in and makes it hard. 

[00:16:41] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Beautiful. What 

[00:16:42] Supna Doshi: about for you? 

[00:16:43] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Two? Two, I think two big things that I've been able to notice. One is very similar to yours, right? My idea of my identity of who I'm supposed to be. I mean that in and of itself.

[00:16:57] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And then the piece is who I'm supposed to be [00:17:00] is, this human who is loving and caring all the time. And always offering of myself and leading with kindness and compassion and doing for others, which great, all great things. And part of what creates a lot of, I. Stress and challenges in my life.

[00:17:19] Dr. Carlos Garcia: The other day I was reflecting on this and a series of questions came up that like I'm working through, but that like stopped me [00:17:30] in my tracks because to explore these fields, like really challenging to my ego. And so the questions were like, what if you can let go? Of the need to be of service to others.

[00:17:51] Dr. Carlos Garcia: What if you can let go of the need to be relevant in the world and there's a part of me that like, doesn't even wanna explore [00:18:00] that. I'm just getting emotional, just like thinking about it. What do you mean? That's the identity I've been. Creating for myself my whole entire life. That is how people view me.

[00:18:10] Dr. Carlos Garcia: That is what people expect of me. That is who I am as a husband and father and a psychologist. And like what, and the second one I think you're familiar with in Me, which is this storyline that I have had such a hard time breaking with over the years of my [00:18:30] life that things are supposed to be hard, that.

[00:18:34] Dr. Carlos Garcia: If I'm intended to grow or become less, more of anything, there needs to be a massive amount of friction for that to happen. And like that compel, that was the, that's what compelled me to choose the Marine Corps over any of the other military branches. 'cause I knew it was the hardest one. 

[00:18:53] Supna Doshi: Yeah.

[00:18:53] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Why I chose the fire academy I went to why? I do a lot of things in my life because it's hard. Like I'm [00:19:00] intentionally like I know RDAs talks about putting yourself in the hottest flyers. Like sometimes I don't want to, right? Like I don't but because this is so attached to my identity, I remember taking a walk with you once and I was talking about going on a pilgrimage the Camino, which is in Spain, and there's multiple ways you can do it.

[00:19:18] Dr. Carlos Garcia: You can go for the longest route is like a month and a half, and then there's one that's two dates. And I was like, yeah, I'm gonna do the one that's a month and a half. And you were just quiet for a second. After I finished speaking, you were like, [00:19:30] I wonder. If you just went and did the two days and I didn't like, I couldn't hear you.

[00:19:36] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I didn't hear you in that moment. I was just like, no, that's silly. And only later did. I was like, oh, I see what she was doing.

[00:19:47] Dr. Carlos Garcia: It was so beautiful. 

[00:19:50] Supna Doshi: I wonder, I'm curious because I'm curious if you think those are tied to immigrant stories. Because I was raised [00:20:00] by immigrant parents who my whole life told me how hard their lives were, and I feel like I was raised thinking, oh, life is supposed to be hard. I have to work hard. Things will not be easy, and I am meant to suffer.

[00:20:21] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah I think that's a big part of the programming for me as well. 

[00:20:25] Supna Doshi: And it's mind blowing when you start that path of questioning [00:20:30] the things, the foundations really of your identity that you were raised on. That is so unsettling because I feel like, I think what if it's not true? Byron's four questions, right?

[00:20:49] Supna Doshi: You have the thought, but what if. Oh my God, if life is not supposed to be hard, what is it supposed to be? I don't have an [00:21:00] identity. What is my identity? If I am not suffering or struggling or serving others, what is my purpose if I cannot be in service to others at all times? 

[00:21:13] Byron Katie: So the work is a way to identify what.

[00:21:17] Byron Katie: You yourself are believing to identify the thoughts that cause all the suffering in the world. For example, you identify a concept or an [00:21:30] assumption that you are thinking, believing is causing stress, and you put it up against the following questions. The first question, is it true? Second question, can you absolutely know that it's true?

[00:21:44] Byron Katie: This assumption you're believing? Third question. Notice how you react. What happens when you believe that thought? When you're thinking that thought? Fourth question, who would you [00:22:00] be without that thought? What would your life be without that thought? So for example, if you have the thought, he doesn't care about me, and you ask yourself, is it true he doesn't care about me?

[00:22:15] Byron Katie: Is it true? The work is meditation. It's contemplation. It takes very deep stillness because what arises to meet that question [00:22:30] is pure knowledge. Yours. You are the teacher you've been waiting for and in the stillness, as you wait for that answer within you to meet, is it true? Amazing things happen.

[00:22:47] Byron Katie: In fact, enlightenment happens. So the second question, can you absolutely know that it's true? Let's say your answer to the first question is, yes. Yes, it's true. He doesn't [00:23:00] care about me. He told me he doesn't care about me. And so the second question, can you absolutely know that it's true? It gives you. An opportunity to experience amazing other ways of seeing that same idea.

[00:23:21] Byron Katie: So I invite you to, to test it and to see how widely and vastly [00:23:30] your mind can open just to the experience of that. Second question, can you absolutely know that it's true that he doesn't care about you? Or whatever concept and assumption you're questioning. So the third question, how do you react when you believe that thought?

[00:23:48] Byron Katie: How do you react? What happens when you think that thought that he doesn't care about you or she doesn't care about you? So notice first, emotionally, how that [00:24:00] concept shifts your feelings. Notice your heart rate notice. A depression that may begin to happen. Notice how you react. What happens when you think that thought?

[00:24:16] Byron Katie: Notice the images of past and future that arise when you think that thought. And of course, the emotional comes out of witnessing that a parent passed or future that is in your [00:24:30] mind's eye now. Wow. So that fourth question, who would you be without the thought? He doesn't care about you. Who would you be without the thought?

[00:24:38] Byron Katie: And I'm not asking you to drop the thought. I'm simply asking you to contemplate, to become very still. And imagine yourself even with that person. Imagine yourself at the market. Imagine yourself with or without that person, only without the thought. He [00:25:00] doesn't care about you. So many of us come to understand very quickly as we experience the answers to these four questions and the answers.

[00:25:10] Byron Katie: That's where the power is not in the work, but your answers. So what people began to notice is that with the thought, that is the cause of all stress and suffering, and without the thought. You cannot suffer. So [00:25:30] eventually people come to understand that it is what we are believing that is the cause of our depression, our stress, our heart rate, our emotional and not what is happening in the world.

[00:25:46] Byron Katie: For example, I see the world as perfect. Everything perfect. No mistake. 

[00:25:56] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Another truth here is that like [00:26:00] most of the really hard and challenging things in my life have brought profound wisdom and understanding and Right. I think like maybe I'm just reinforcing that narrative again here, potentially.

[00:26:14] Supna Doshi: That's what I'm just wondering is like. What if you did something that was easier, would it still have led to this profound learning? And you're like, oh, but I didn't have to work as hard for it, so it doesn't mean as much. So my [00:26:30] parents won't be as proud of me as if I had actually taken the hardest path.

[00:26:34] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Totally. Yeah. I'm still working with this one, and like just the last handful of workshops that I've done, right? Like I'm, I often am speaking to people that have very, challenging careers or do challenging work. And, part of a, part of the, part of what I share is embrace the hard because it's building you to be more resilient. Like that is the thing I share and people connect with it and they're like, oh [00:27:00] yeah, this is amazing. But yeah. What if we start to question that? And that really brings into question for me, which I know is a a topic you and I talk about at times like abundance versus scarcity mindset.

[00:27:14] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Like the thing attached there is oh yeah, abundance is possible and you gotta kill yourself for it. You just have to like sacrifice. You just have you hear the narrative. 

[00:27:22] Supna Doshi: I do find myself teaching my children if it's hard, you're [00:27:30] doing it wrong. It's not supposed to be hard.

[00:27:35] Supna Doshi: I think I say it into belief,

[00:27:39] Supna Doshi: right? But I do find like in the simplest things, if I'm opening a jar of pasta sauce and I just can't get it and I'm struggling, like I stop, I take a breath and I'm like, it's not supposed to be hard. It's supposed to be easy. You're doing it wrong, love it, and click it opens [00:28:00] and I'm on my way. I do find that pattern in a lot of places in my in, in my day.

[00:28:07] Supna Doshi: And does lead me. And also the personal experience I've had with abundance and when you do let go of so much of the programming and do just open yourself up to releasing a lot of what is in your head and just to be in your heart, that really the energy that the universe opens up is beyond what I [00:28:30] could.

[00:28:33] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And I could really second that my friend, because we talked a few episodes ago about that breakfast you and I had where, you really introduced this idea of letting go in life and what that would look like. And I can look at the last handful of years in my life and seen the places where I've decided consciously I don't want this to be hard and I'm gonna let go here and.

[00:28:58] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And have just noticed [00:29:00] the ways things fall in my lap, the way things feel easier, the way opportunities arise, the way, there's just this shift in that deeply ingrained belief system that it has to be hard. 

[00:29:14] Supna Doshi: Yeah. 

[00:29:15] Dr. Carlos Garcia: The right the universe is providing me with evidence that, that is true.

[00:29:19] Supna Doshi: I almost feel, and it doesn't work this way, so I do know that, but I. There are moments in my life like very clear for me milestones where I am fighting [00:29:30] and I am struggling and I am a strong believer in I have to work for this and it won't work, and it won't work and it won't work. Fertility being a very strong lesson for 10 years, and when I finally got to a place of pure surrender, acceptance of what is maybe it's not supposed to.

[00:29:54] Supna Doshi: It was almost like a check mark went into a box. The universe was like, oh, she learned that lesson. Okay, [00:30:00] give her the babies. 

[00:30:02] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Don't just give her a baby. We're.

[00:30:11] Supna Doshi: Yeah. But yeah, I feel that was one of the big starts of it. But then since then, which is almost 12 years now, they've, I've noticed that pattern in my life that with the big things that I'm struggling with, when I can honestly, on a soul level, just release it and [00:30:30] just let it go and come to a place of acceptance.

[00:30:33] Supna Doshi: It just magically resolves itself in the most it may, where I don't have to do anything much really. And I have to show up and do my work which is staying, in my soul and really working on myself and the rest of it like 

[00:30:50] Dr. Carlos Garcia: just falls into place. Just 

[00:30:52] Supna Doshi: falls 

[00:30:53] Dr. Carlos Garcia: into place. Yeah. That's so powerful.

[00:30:56] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. Yeah. That that, I'm really trying to walk that [00:31:00] path now. Not trying. I am. And the right that, as you were saying that this the word faith popped into my mind the trust or the faith that we sometimes need to have that it's gonna work out because I think that's where, at least for me, there, there's, I don't know that I would always label it a fear, but whatever that resistance that lives there of letting go of surrendering is like I need to be in control.

[00:31:25] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Because if I'm not like it, bad things might happen. And I know that's deeply, [00:31:30] that's wiring that's coming, deeply ingrained from my upper and, my, my family history and a lot of that. The other piece I was gonna share is one of the things where you and I connect is we're business owners, right? We're type A personalities in some ways we're doers. We live in a society here in the US where you know, a lot of what success means or it's like the achieving, the becoming, the creating a plan, the executing of that plan the doing, the having control, the right.

[00:31:57] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And so it's been so funny [00:32:00] sometimes where. I'm sitting around with another person in business or an entrepreneur, and we're talking about you, strategy. Let's say about, how this next business is gonna go down. And I, I hear, or I feel myself getting caught up and oh my God, I don't have a plan for this thing, or I'm not.

[00:32:21] Dr. Carlos Garcia: My marketing strategy isn't on point. And that communicating to this other business person who maybe, isn't as awake, as aware [00:32:30] oh, I'm just trusting the universe. And they're like, wait what? How are you crazy? What's wrong with you? 

[00:32:35] Supna Doshi: Totally.

[00:32:36] Supna Doshi: Totally. That has been day one of me running my business. Once I. I learned a lot once I experienced, not learned, once I actually experienced the universe at a level where it started to resonate for me that the ideas of abundance and service to other, and that, what's the saying, a rising [00:33:00] tide lifts all ships.

[00:33:02] Supna Doshi: That, that release of what success looks like for everybody else because. At, the sacrifice of somebody else that my success is to come at the sacrifice of somebody else, which is completely bogus, right? Baloney, ego stuff that everybody can be uberly successful all the time, but that we, we get in.

[00:33:28] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And I love [00:33:30] two things that you said there a minute ago. One was the ways that you tried to remain, with the use of your tools or not the ways that you tried to remain centered in your, in your awareness 

[00:33:42] Dr. Carlos Garcia: In your soul. And how absolutely critical that is not only for our path, but for how we're navigating the world and.

[00:33:50] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Back to this idea of community, rondos like this is one of the things Rondos speaks about that has always just profoundly stood with me. That is that our only work is to continue to [00:34:00] do the work on ourselves. 

[00:34:01] Dr. Carlos Garcia: So that we can be a vehicle for others to do the same or for others to awaken or for others, when they are ready.

[00:34:10] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And so that shift of identity from who I'm supposed to be and what I'm supposed to be doing for others to, oh, I just need to work on myself every day. 

[00:34:21] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I just need to seat myself in my practices to continue to reside in that space of [00:34:30] expansion, awareness, openness, letting go of the. The stories, the narratives, the beliefs the things that keep us limited so that just, it can be a model. It can be a model for others to see that's even possible. What that looks like for inspiration. It doesn't, we're not creating what that means for other people in their lives. Like our only objective is just to keep going inward and reminding ourselves. 

[00:34:57] Supna Doshi: Yeah, and we have those guides [00:35:00] like Singer who can show us, you can run a business, you can be very successful, you can stay soul centered and he's got amazing books and amazing tools and talks that that, that show his path.

[00:35:15] Supna Doshi: I think that concept of, because when I. When I first heard that, I'm like I can't go off to the Himalayas. I got three babies now. So if you told me that six months ago, we could talk, but now I can't do [00:35:30] that. And, but they all talk about, Eckhard and everybody talks about how you can do the work within the scope of the roles that you've chosen, and that's the work.

[00:35:42] Supna Doshi: What I love about some of the things I've been listening to recently, and especially I think Byron Katie I heard her talk about it. It's this return to that childhood innocence that we had when we were born. There was no human that went in and put our [00:36:00] eyes into our body and our nose, into our body and our mother's stomach.

[00:36:04] Supna Doshi: Like that was all taken care of by the universe, and so then when we're born, the parents wanna take over 'cause we're adults and we have the ego developed. Now it's oh, I could do better than the universe, so let me make sure that you don't run a fever and let me make sure you don't touch this dirty thing, et cetera, et cetera.

[00:36:22] Supna Doshi: But she talks about returning to that childhood innocence where everything is just based on curiosity, [00:36:30] where you giggle about. I everything. My daughter drives me bananas when she giggles and giggles and will laugh and laugh. I mean for 20 minutes at the dinner, and I'm like, you supposed to be eating?

[00:36:45] Supna Doshi: I'm like, oh no. You're doing what you're supposed be doing and I should be doing more of what you're doing. Oh my God. So I think it's that when you talk about, I think it's like that connection back to that source of wherever it's that we came from. [00:37:00] It's that connection back to the knowing, it's the connection back to the lightheartedness and the deep breaths and the ease of the flow of life.

[00:37:09] Supna Doshi: And that all of these tools that we've talked about, are just different ways to help us. Get there. Stay there. Go back there, wherever we are in our path. 

[00:37:23] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Thank you for listening to this episode of the podcast, the Human Experience Podcast. We're so grateful [00:37:30] to have shared this time with you. 

[00:37:32] Supna Doshi: As we continue recording new episodes, we'd love to hear from you, share your thoughts, questions, or topics you'd like us to explore and tell us about your own spiritual journey.

[00:37:42] Supna Doshi: We wanna connect with you. 

[00:37:44] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Give us a call at (800) 791-3884 and leave us a voicemail. You might just be featured on a future episode of the podcast. 

[00:37:55] Supna Doshi: Thank you for being part of our community. Until next time, keep walking your path [00:38:00] with peace, love, and purpose.

Episode: Tools for Bridging the Mind & Spirit

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🎧 EPISODE 2: Attachment
What happens when we get attached—to joy, to peace, to the idea that we should always feel good?

In this episode of The Human Experience Podcast, Dr. Carlos Garcia and Supna Doshi explore the hidden ways attachment shows up on the spiritual path. From plant medicine journeys to emotional highs and lows, they reflect on the illusion of control and the deep wisdom found in surrender.

🌑 "If you're going to have the light, you must also welcome the dark. They are one and the same."

Expect honest insights, personal stories, and teachings inspired by Ram Dass, Eckhart Tolle, and Michael Singer. This conversation is a reminder: our healing begins when we stop resisting what is.

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[00:00:00] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Welcome to the podcast, the Human Experience Podcast, where we explore the depths of spirituality and our own personal journeys and experiences. I'm Dr. Carlos Garcia. 

[00:00:11] Supna Doshi: And I'm Supna Doshi. In this space, we'll reflect on the wisdom of some of the most profound spiritual teachers from Eckhart ToLLE to Ramdas Wayne Dyer, Michael Singer.

[00:00:23] Supna Doshi: Together we'll dive into their teachings and share our own insights that have guided us on our own paths of self-discovery. [00:00:30] 

[00:00:30] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Each episode will feature inspiring clips from these masters, weaving them into our own reflections and conversations on how spirituality has enriched our daily lives, deepened our understanding of ourselves, and led us to a more meaningful experience.

[00:00:47] Supna Doshi: So take a deep breath, open your heart, and join us on this journey of exploration. Welcome to the podcast, the Human Experience [00:01:00] Podcast. 

[00:01:00] Dr. Carlos Garcia: One of the other episodes I talked a little bit about my experience with Ayahuasca and two of the most powerful ceremonies. It was really interesting.

[00:01:08] Dr. Carlos Garcia: 'cause one was, if I can describe it as such, it was just like pure light. It was pure love. It was pure just bliss. It was like this ultimate experience of just connection and purity. Then the very next night, all of the opposite. It was darkness. It was [00:01:30] evil. It was I say at times like, like going to battle with my mind and like shame and the evil of humanity and the ways that we often have treated each other through time and just like a darkness that I didn't know my mind was capable of.

[00:01:50] Dr. Carlos Garcia: But having come out of that hell the first sort of notion that arrived is oh, that too, right? If you're gonna have the other one, [00:02:00] this one's a part of it too. We are all of it. And although it often feels like there's a distance or that they're different I think the sort of resounding truth that arrived for me is like they're one and the same.

[00:02:13] Supna Doshi: How are they one and the same? Because they don't feel one and the same. 

[00:02:18] Dr. Carlos Garcia: When we bring it into the human experience the part of the human experience that, like where emotions are involved. Again, I'm [00:02:30] using challenges and joys or the ups and downs or the good and the bad, right?

[00:02:34] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Like that's the duality is that we're framing these things as one or the other. And I think in that is where we get lost. Like the experience that has been consistent for my clients this week is I just can't understand Carlos. I was just feeling great last week. Why am I here? I don't want to be here.

[00:02:53] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And this is confusing and this feels horrible. And it feels sad and it feels. 

[00:02:59] Ram Dass: I [00:03:00] work with dying and I say, what should I tell people about dying? And he said, Ram Dass, tell them, tell people that dying is absolutely safe. Which is a just a wonderful one-liner. I think it's a, he said it's like taking off a tight shoe.

[00:03:16] Ram Dass: So who would not trust somebody with likeness like that? So I asked Emmanuel, what am I doing here on Earth? Who made this error? And what am I? Why am I here? And he said, Ram Dass. He said you're [00:03:30] in school. Why don't you try taking the curriculum? Why don't you try being human? I never thought of that.

[00:03:35] Ram Dass: Understand, because I was busy trying to be divine. And I thought that if somehow I did it all perfectly enough, I fasted long enough. I prayed hard enough that sort of era of my humanity would disappear and I would be divine. And what he said was, your freedom lies. Through your humanity, not in spite of it.[00:04:00] 

[00:04:00] Supna Doshi: I think when you described ayahuasca, like that was my juxtaposition was my pregnancy and then the postpartum, like that was my light and dark. And it was it was exactly how you describe it, like polar opposites, like you can't understand. But I think, like I find myself with my kids. A lot of times, like they'll say something oh, this was good or [00:04:30] this was bad.

[00:04:31] Supna Doshi: And I'll say, it wasn't good or bad. It just was like, it's not good or bad, it just is. And that logical explanation Nation is so far removed from the feeling that it evokes. In us as humans that I think, like it's almost, we have to either be, we just have to be in our heart because our head doesn't get us there.[00:05:00] 

[00:05:00] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. Yeah. I, one of the clients I worked with this week had just experienced a psychedelic journey with mushrooms. One of the pig sort of moments of insight and awareness for him. It, it was this idea of the sort of evil in the world. But that's part of my humanity too.

[00:05:21] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I'm capable of that evil too, that that lives inside of me too. But so does the beauty in all of the joy and like the love and the [00:05:30] compassion like that also. Yeah I mean I know that like for me. To make it a little bit more concrete For years I can see the ways that I pushed away, sadness, shame again these negative emotions.

[00:05:47] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And it's, and that. Oftentimes in the pushing away, in the resistance that I created of not allowing that in, I created more suffering for myself. And that as I started to open [00:06:00] myself up to feel more of that when it arises. The most amazing part is that when joy comes and when gratitude comes and when like joyous things happen in life.

[00:06:14] Dr. Carlos Garcia: My heart is able to experience it at a much greater degree. It's a reminder for me that I can't shut myself off to any of it. And that if if I rationally and logically, if I go into my mind and remind myself when [00:06:30] moments are really hard oh, let you know. So easier said than done, but this too, right? This is just another one. This is just another emotion. This is just another passing phenomenon. Just another thing that's gonna pass like this too, will go, this too is not here to stay. The trick is to then do that when things are going really well, right? Yeah. 

[00:06:53] Supna Doshi: To not attach to that.

[00:06:54] Supna Doshi: The hi. Yeah. And to say this too will pass. 

[00:06:58] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. Not so easy. Hopefully. [00:07:00] 

[00:07:00] Supna Doshi: Yeah. Not so easy. I think that's the human experience, right? We as humans, like I, sometimes I struggle with the conversation about the universe, and then I do believe in free will and choice. And so I think for me, that human experience of, and I've seen it in myself very recently, is I create my own suffering 

[00:07:23] Supna Doshi: and I create my own feelings that don't feel as good as the high, and that I [00:07:30] have a choice in that, and that it's my choice that I am making and that I can something different if I want to and if I wanna suffer for what's.

[00:07:42] Supna Doshi: That thorn in your side where you know you, it hits you and then you don't let it pass through, and then it just stays there and it gets stuck and it grows. And there's also like the conversation about [00:08:00] the psyche and why is it that those. Quote unquote negative experiences are the ones that we will be playing in our head over and over again and continue to experience that suffering.

[00:08:11] Supna Doshi: We don't do it with the good stuff. 

[00:08:14] Supna Doshi: Our brains just don't do it with the good stuff. 

[00:08:17] Michael Singer: This is the artwork of God. All of it. Everything. Do people, can you go into museums where the artwork is really dark? Somebody very depressed. Painted this stuff and they [00:08:30] sell for millions of dollars. What was called scream was that famous painting, right?

[00:08:35] Michael Singer: You can't buy that thing for millions and millions of dollars. You understand that all of it is art. All of it. A rainy day is art. The sunny day is art. The hurricane is art. The tornadoes art is all expression. It's unbelievable. There are people really get off on chasing tornadoes. God is everything.

[00:08:56] Michael Singer: Everything is God. It is the expression of the [00:09:00] divine force that is infinite. It doesn't have morality. What is morality? Something you made up in your mind? Oh, Mickey said we should be immoral. He did not do different cultures, have different morality, do different religion of different beliefs. Who's right?

[00:09:14] Michael Singer: Nobody. It's not of the mind. 

[00:09:18] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I wonder how much of this plays a role. I think, at least for me, when I. In a moment or moments of suffering. It's almost like my mind [00:09:30] races to try and understand what's happening as much as possible. Almost like I imagine, 'cause a part of me wants to avoid it in the future if I can.

[00:09:38] Dr. Carlos Garcia: What are all the things that culminated that happen that might be under my control so that this never happens again? 

[00:09:44] Supna Doshi: And just that from some of the reading that I did is evolution. Like it's that need to survive, so the survival instinct kicks in. And so how do I keep myself from [00:10:00] dying, right?

[00:10:01] Supna Doshi: If I'm out in the Serengeti and oh, that's a lion and it's going to eat me if I don't do these things like over the course of evolution, maybe that's how our brain is evolved, and that's just what we continue to do until we choose a different path. Totally. 

[00:10:18] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. We spoke briefly about this earlier but it was just fascinating to watch even in the last, like 15 hours, so for about four days [00:10:30] leading up to Tuesday night, I was, I hadn't recognized it until I had a really good night of sleep on Tuesday night.

[00:10:38] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I went to bed at seven 30 and got had dreams and every, like a really restful sleep. The clarity that I awoke with was like, oh, the last four days I've been feeling really tired, down. My thoughts have been negative. I've been feeling somewhat hopeless and seeing this pattern like really [00:11:00] clearly, but only from the clarity of that day with more rest oh, there's been a dark cloud just looming over me.

[00:11:08] Dr. Carlos Garcia: That's not my norm. So then I spent all of yesterday like, oh this is amazing. As long as I get a good night's sleep most days and this is great. And just like feeling amazing all day, like on a high, like feeling hopeful and oh my God, all the things I'm gonna do in the next year. And [00:11:30] planning and just like feeling great.

[00:11:32] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And I had the best sessions with my, I was just on it. So I get home and I'm like, I tell my wife. I'm sleeping upstairs. I'm gonna get another good night's sleep. And the rest of the night was just one thing after another, right? Like I didn't get much sleep last night. And at one point it was like, the struggle, the mental struggle.

[00:11:57] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Why is this happening? Why am I not falling asleep? I got my [00:12:00] earplugs in, I'm doing the thing I meditated. I, and then at one point I just started laughing and I'm like, oh, I see what's happening here. Brilliant until I was just like, okay I give in, right? I'm not in charge. I'm not gonna control this.

[00:12:14] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Let me just and I ended up falling asleep to the mantra of just let go and surrender. 

[00:12:21] Supna Doshi: I think that for me like it is that just acceptance of what is and not trying to change what is, [00:12:30] and not trying to move out of the uncomfortable, but. I actually get excited about it because it means there's growth coming and it's that shift.

[00:12:40] Supna Doshi: And I I do feel like from the human experience, those differences of yeah, if we can't appreciate the light, if there isn't darkness, we can't appreciate the joy if there isn't sorrow. But for me, I feel like maybe part of the journey [00:13:00] is. To remove all those labels and to just accept what is, no matter what it is.

[00:13:06] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. There's this really interesting thing about that. I hear that right here and now I hear that it makes sense. It's brilliant. I preach this, I talk to my, all of my clients about this, and then we're in it. 

[00:13:20] Supna Doshi: Don't ask me, do it. 

[00:13:22] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. And then we're in it and. Like from here from where I'm sitting listening to this yeah, I can totally [00:13:30] resonate with that.

[00:13:31] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And then sometimes we're just so deep in it and I think one of the things that I try to do not only when I work with others but I'm trying to do it more and more with myself, is when I'm in that space, right? That, again, negative or space of suffering. It's just a simple like acknowledgement.

[00:13:52] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Of here we are. Like, it doesn't even have to be an acceptance of it or an appreciation of it, but just an awareness of, oh, like here it [00:14:00] is. I jumped on a call with a client yesterday that he was just going through it and I was like, how are you? And she was like the good thing is, and I was like, can let, I said, let me, let's stop.

[00:14:12] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I said in my question of asking you how you are, I just asked you to be different. I just asked you to be somewhere different than where you were like, the programming in us was like, oh, you have to tell me how things are getting better or that this is in service of you healing or getting better, or whatever.

[00:14:28] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I was like, what if we just [00:14:30] did not do that right now? What if we just are with what it's, and it was just like this sigh of relief yeah, that this doesn't need to be in the service of another thing. My sadness doesn't have to be, for me to heal my sadness, doesn't have to be so that I learn to be happier.

[00:14:48] Dr. Carlos Garcia: My sadness. It doesn't have to be for anything, but I think we're so wired that way, a as society like to do, to achieve, to overcome, to, to figure out a way around, [00:15:00] over through. 

[00:15:01] Supna Doshi: And when it comes to other people, it's easy for us to do. It's the self-compassion that is hard. It is the, I actually. I was in an awful experience.

[00:15:13] Supna Doshi: Again, for me it was an awful experience. It was awful. Yeah. And I found like I literally had to take myself out and pretend I was talking to somebody else who was going through that. 

[00:15:25] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. 

[00:15:27] Supna Doshi: And saying, Hey, your [00:15:30] thinking is not quite on point about this. You are.like you like it, it's.

[00:15:38] Supna Doshi: Different when it's somebody else versus yourself. And and that self-compassion is really, it's brutal. But like, when you talk about like a therapist relationship or that's what my therapist does for me. She's there to say, because I do exactly the same thing. Oh yeah, I'm fine. And the good thing is and [00:16:00] I'm so grateful for, and she's like, all right.

[00:16:03] Supna Doshi: Yeah. Okay. But now what, where are you actually right now? And I'm like, oh yeah, it's shitty right now. It's shitty. 

[00:16:10] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. 

[00:16:10] Supna Doshi: And that's okay. 

[00:16:11] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. Just in my resp, like I, I'm catching myself right now as I was going to respond to what you just said and reinforcing further the message there. And I was like, oh, yeah.

[00:16:22] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And for me the more I allow myself to do that, the quicker, which is a reality for me, the quicker [00:16:30] the emotion, whatever it is, moves through. But that shouldn't be the objective. 

[00:16:35] Supna Doshi: Yeah. I think that's it. I think that the attachment to the changing what is separate from what is actually the experience and how are we gonna let it pass through us.

[00:16:46] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I like that. I love that. 

[00:16:48] Supna Doshi: So I think that, that's the difference 

[00:16:50] Dr. Carlos Garcia: is yeah, 

[00:16:51] Supna Doshi: okay, yes, this is the experience and what do we need to do for ourselves to let it pass through us without being attached to the. To the feeling that I [00:17:00] don't want to feel this way.

[00:17:01] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. I think something I'm not good at reminding myself of, but again, in my work can preach this all day.

[00:17:10] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I. And I think it's in the service of giving people a greater understanding because I know I can be hard on myself when I'm not pulling myself out of those spaces, those dark spaces. And I know that the thing I need most in that space is more love, not less, more compassion, more acceptance.

[00:17:28] Dr. Carlos Garcia: But one of the things I'll often [00:17:30] share is like the strong pull. From society, from the day that we come into the world, right? To not ex to feel ashamed of negative emotions, to not experience them. Depending culturally the kind of home that we grew up in the places we were raised the messaging that was there that in a lot of ways has created this.

[00:17:56] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I used the word shame, but like a shame around feeling [00:18:00] negative feelings. And so for a lot of us, if we grew up in a house where we were told not to feel or made to feel shameful about not feeling, then in a lot of unconscious ways, we started to hide those parts of us to put on a mask to, to, I say we created this monster in the closet.

[00:18:22] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Emotion. So like the second a glimpse of it starts to arise, we panic [00:18:30] and all we want to do is just move quickly, run in the other direction. Because we haven't had the exposure, we haven't had the modeling. We haven't had the opportunities, the training, if you will, to be with those states. 

[00:18:46] Supna Doshi: I'm smiling because.

[00:18:49] Supna Doshi: The other morning I took the triplets and my parents to breakfast, and one of the boys wasn't feeling great and he was getting more attention than the other [00:19:00] two. And at the breakfast table, the other two very vocally expressed how both grandparents and mom were playing favorites. Were giving attention to one child and not all three.

[00:19:17] Supna Doshi: Were, they were expressing how they felt. And the look on my mother's face ly got defensive and I started laughing because that [00:19:30] is what I grew up in. 

[00:19:33] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. 

[00:19:34] Supna Doshi: And I said to her later, I said, it's not about you. They must have the freedom. And the confidence to express how they feel at any point in time because it's about them.

[00:19:49] Supna Doshi: They are learning this tool of how to talk about their emotions. It's not good or bad. It has nothing to do with us. [00:20:00] Or our parenting or our grandparenting. It's not a reflection on you, it's just how they feel and it's okay. They have to know it's okay. They feel how they feel. There's nothing wrong with that.

[00:20:12] Supna Doshi: And it was such a poignant moment for me. Like she looked at me like first, like I had four heads, and then she got it and she was like, it has nothing to do with me. I'm like, no, I have to teach them this. She said [00:20:30] Okay. It was very powerful and I think we get, when we talk about wanting to get out of the uncomfortable, we are so much in our roles.

[00:20:43] Supna Doshi: I can't be a functional mother if I don't feel good. 

[00:20:48] Supna Doshi: If I don't feel, if I'm having a down day. I'm not such a great mom. Yeah. I may react and not respond. I'm not making, all [00:21:00] the food. I'm not as active or as helpful, and so I think in a way that societal pressure to not express our emotions and not feel the way we feel is because we can't really fulfill our roles.

[00:21:14] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. 

[00:21:15] Supna Doshi: When we feel that way in, in its fullest, like I'm not my. I can't do everything that I normally do. Like you said when you were on your high and you're like, I can accomplish all these things. Oh, please. You can fulfill your role, at a [00:21:30] hundred percent and be a really great dad and a partner, and a therapist and a business owner, and a servant to others.

[00:21:37] Supna Doshi: Like we can perform at really high levels when we feel good, but when we don't, we can't do those things. And I think society. And our own egos in a way, want us to move out of those spaces as quickly as possible. Where the irony is that is where the most growth happens is in those spaces. [00:22:00] Yeah.

[00:22:00] Supna Doshi: The most soul growth. 

[00:22:01] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. I think there's also a piece in there of guilt, right? Guilt when we're not showing up in the way we feel we should be, or, I mean there's a big should in there. And that's one, I, that's one I've been working on for some time. Because I don't even know if guilt is maybe the most appropriate label for this thing that we often feel.

[00:22:26] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Sometimes it can look like guilt but sometimes it's, this [00:22:30] just this like force that resides in me. Just nudges me, urges me in a different direction, in a direction of growth, productivity whatever. It's definitely not like I, I've worked with it enough to know, like the times I can recognize, the times that it's driven by a feeling of I'm not enough in the world.

[00:22:52] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I'm not doing enough. I can recognize when it's coming from some perfectionistic tendency to need to do, because then I feel [00:23:00] worth. But there are other times where I can strip it back far enough to where, again, it's not guilt, but it's oh, there, there's just a drive. There's an internal drive in me to move out of this state.

[00:23:13] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Almost like the drive that a child has to learn how to walk. Yeah. And then, and then I just get lost in my mind, trying to make sense of any of it and realize that that I'm, like you said earlier, I'm creating so much suffering for myself internally [00:23:30] by keeping myself here.

[00:23:33] Supna Doshi: I'm curious if that drive, because I feel it too, like that drive is a fulfillment of purpose, whether it's of the soul or the ego. I think that it depends on the person. Sure. And. Yet those moments are actually the largest soul growth, which while can feel very selfish. 

[00:23:55] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Oh yeah, 

[00:23:55] Supna Doshi: I need time for me is can be [00:24:00] a very selfish can feel very selfish.

[00:24:03] Supna Doshi: Because I'm curious, like you went home and told Christina like. We're gonna do all these things and I'm gonna get a great night's sleep, and I have all of these plans. When you don't feel that way and you need time away from your roles, do you share that to you and ask for support? 

[00:24:22] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. No, I'm not very good at that.

[00:24:24] Dr. Carlos Garcia: As a matter of fact, as I was laying down, the first thought was like, why am I not spending time with my wife [00:24:30] and my child? Why am I being so selfish? That was the first thought, so I'm so glad you said that. And then had to like, okay, we, you're not selfish. Had to work through that one. 

[00:24:39] Supna Doshi: Yeah. Yeah. And as a mom with Yeah.

[00:24:42] Supna Doshi: Three children they call it mom guilt. Yeah. Every moment of every day. It is I'm sitting here doing this podcast. I have a sick kid. I feel like I should be on the sofa sitting with him. Yeah. There's that, that continuous, seesaw that goes on. [00:25:00] But I think, like for me, that has been one of my growth areas recently is just saying to my support system, Hey, I need time.

[00:25:16] Supna Doshi: I need somebody to help with this. Yeah. I need somebody to help with that. And that asking for help is, 

[00:25:21] Dr. Carlos Garcia: yeah. 

[00:25:22] Supna Doshi: It's so hard to do. 

[00:25:23] Dr. Carlos Garcia: It's so hard. It's so hard. I was giving a talk recently on compassion fatigue. 

[00:25:29] Michael Singer: Yeah. [00:25:30] And here's 

[00:25:30] Dr. Carlos Garcia: my understanding of compassion fatigue. We come into the world wired for empathy.

[00:25:41] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Compassion and you can see that in, in research that's been done with children as, as early as 18 months. Or kids playing in a, in a park and one of 'em falls and the others turn their attention. Or siblings do that often, or right, like they, they show empathy very early on.

[00:25:55] Dr. Carlos Garcia: So I know we're wired, we come into the world with that. We're wired for empathy. We're [00:26:00] wired for compassion. We're wired to want to serve others like that's not a thing about us that we can remove. I often share with people that sometimes if that was manipulated in some way in our homes growing up, then that's where the guilt comes in.

[00:26:15] Dr. Carlos Garcia: If it's like, Hey, you're too much. Your dad's gonna get upset, or Look how you're making your brother or sister feel, right? If there was a lot of messaging around you. Your needs, how you're feeling and in collectivistic cultures that, that's [00:26:30] just part of how you grew up. 

[00:26:33] Dr. Carlos Garcia: That we develop this inner sense of like guilt for taking care of ourselves. Because it goes against the grain of what we're wired for, which is to love others, put others first. And so for me oh, it's an acknowledgement of I came into the world with empathy. Then I grew up in a home where like my needs were put aside because the adults in my home, their needs were bigger and grander and more prevalent in, in, in the [00:27:00] moment.

[00:27:00] Dr. Carlos Garcia: So the narrative that I. Sort of got indoctrinated into without even knowing it unconsciously was like other people always come first and don't you dare consider yourself because you're selfish. So while part of it is like overcoming the narrative, working through the guilt, like part of what I said in my talk is like the guilt is gonna be there.

[00:27:27] Dr. Carlos Garcia: It's working through it like that. That's the [00:27:30] work. That's the, what's the new narrative that you need to adopt and just working through that friction of knowing that yeah, when I take care of myself, I can be of better service to others, right? Like that's the way I can really align with it.

[00:27:46] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I don't know if it's the healthiest way, but oh, if I take care of myself, I can be there more for other people. Yeah. Are really good. So maybe I'll trick myself and do it that way. 

[00:27:56] Supna Doshi: Absolutely. I do that all the time. [00:28:00] Yeah. Yeah. I think it you're right, it is unlearning everything that we've been told.

[00:28:05] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. 

[00:28:06] Supna Doshi: And Todd, yeah. And then defining for ourselves what our new internal narrative is going to be. And can part of that be a desire not to judge the way we feel. As good or bad. Yeah. But just to be in it and do what we need to allow it to pass through [00:28:30] without being attached to not wanting to feel that way.

[00:28:34] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Absolutely. There's this thing or this experience at times when either I'm going through it or somebody I'm working with is going through it and we, we remove all the narratives and all of the judgment. For the minute, for the time being and all of the expectations, and just allow ourselves to feel where we are.

[00:28:58] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I I don't know how you would describe, but for [00:29:00] me, I just feel like there's this just release, there's a letting go. There's a, this theme of returning back home oh, here, right? There's nowhere else to be, I'm in my truth right now.

[00:29:13] Dr. Carlos Garcia: That we can arrive there even in moments of great distress and great sadness, that there's this place this thing where it's just okay, and one of the things that I'm learning, [00:29:30] one that's, that's possible and that there's a method of arriving there. And if I can keep reminding myself more frequently of what those methods are.

[00:29:42] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Whether it's a thing I need to tell myself, a mantra I need to remind myself of coming back to the heart of sitting and just taking three deep breaths, a five minute meditation, whatever it is, that will just cue me back in to, [00:30:00] Hey, you're lost in the thought again, or You're lost in your pattern again, or You're lost in the right.

[00:30:05] Dr. Carlos Garcia: How do we come back home? It doesn't make it better. Maybe takes the edge off just for a moment, right? And sometimes that is just enough. Just what I need, just a breath. 

[00:30:25] Supna Doshi: And I saw that in reflection when my kids [00:30:30] were complaining at the breakfast table, and I just looked at them and I said. I understand that's how you feel, and thank you for telling me that is how you feel.

[00:30:42] Supna Doshi: And they visually took a deep breath and it was like, oh, I don't have to be anything different. I was heard, and it takes the edge off. [00:31:00] 

[00:31:00] Dr. Carlos Garcia: It makes me think of. How we can often be a reminder for each other that space exists. Yeah. Like in, in another human being, acknowledging where they are and just being okay with it.

[00:31:19] Dr. Carlos Garcia: That just like even as you were sharing that here a moment ago, I went into the space within myself that was just, it's right. 

[00:31:26] Supna Doshi: Yes. That. [00:31:30] And it's so funny for me, the ER winning, the P me keeps coming up in my mind, of where it's I'm just gonna sit here with you, er Yeah. You feel the way, you feel like there's no judgment around your emotions, and again, it's that reflection on self. Okay, let me not have judgments around my emotions. Let me find that space. 

[00:31:56] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. Yeah. I think that we can, [00:32:00] through our own work on ourselves, whether we know it or not, or can see it or not at times become a permission slip a, a vehicle for others surround us to, to do their work.

[00:32:17] Supna Doshi: And it is so visible in my experience over the last decade, 

[00:32:23] Dr. Carlos Garcia: is 

[00:32:23] Supna Doshi: how much my world is a reflection of my inner self.[00:32:30] 

[00:32:31] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I think that's probably possible for a lot of us. 

[00:32:38] Wayne Dyer: There was a friend of mine, her name was Portia Nelson. Portia passed away a few years back. She lived up in Seattle. And she was at a seminar and they ask her to, and they ask everyone to write on a five by seven sheet of paper or card the five chapters of their life.

[00:32:58] Wayne Dyer: They only wanted to give them [00:33:00] five by seven cards because they didn't want to get too wor wordy. And Portia Nelson sat down and wrote these words about the five chapters of her life, and I thought I would share them here with you. They're so beautiful. She said, chapter one of my life, I walked down the street.

[00:33:21] Wayne Dyer: There's a deep hole in the sidewalk. I fall in, I'm lost. [00:33:30] I'm helpless. It isn't my fault, and it takes forever to find a way out. Chapter two of my life, I walked down the same street. There's a deep hole in the sidewalk. I pretend I don't see it. I fall in again. I can't believe I'm in the same place. It isn't my fault, and it still [00:34:00] takes a long time to get out.

[00:34:04] Wayne Dyer: Chapter three of my life, I walk down the same street. There's a deep hole in the sidewalk. I see it there. I still fall in. It's a habit. My eyes are open. I know where I am. It's my own fault, and I get out immediately. [00:34:30] Chapter four of my life, I walked down the same street. There's a deep hole in the sidewalk.

[00:34:43] Wayne Dyer: I walk around it, chapter five of my life, I walk down another street. 

[00:34:55] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Thank you for listening to this episode of the podcast, the Human [00:35:00] Experience Podcast. We're so grateful to have shared this time with you. 

[00:35:04] Supna Doshi: As we continue recording new episodes, we'd love to hear from you. Share your thoughts, questions, or topics you'd like us to explore and tell us about your own spiritual journey.

[00:35:15] Supna Doshi: We wanna connect with you. 

[00:35:17] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Give us a call at (800) 791-3884 and leave us a voicemail. You might just be featured on a future episode of the podcast. 

[00:35:27] Supna Doshi: Thank you for being part of our community. [00:35:30] Until next time, keep walking your path with peace, love, and purpose.

Wayne Dyer: https://youtu.be/bP8moNSVkCs?si=wu6ZimgScYM4Q4BU

Singer: https://youtu.be/Sl7G-v_BPKo?si=BJHvEHyMj3hFRORp

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🌿 NEW EPISODE: Awakening 🌿
🎙️ Ep. 01 of The Human Experience Podcast is here!

In this deeply reflective episode, Dr. Carlos Garcia and Supna Doshi invite you into a conversation about surrender, spiritual remembering, and the cycles of awakening and forgetting.

✨ "The forgetting is the remembering."
🌀 Meditation, music, and presence become anchors in the human experience.

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Awakening Transcript:

Dr. Carlos Garcia:
Welcome to THE Podcast – The Human Experience Podcast, where we explore the depths of spirituality and our own personal journeys and experiences. I'm Dr. Carlos Garcia…

Supna Doshi:
…and I'm Supna Doshi. In this space, we'll reflect on the wisdom of some of the most profound spiritual teachers, from Eckhart Tolle to Ram Dass, Wayne Dyer, and Michael Singer. Together, we'll dive into their teachings and share our own insights that have guided us on our own paths of self-discovery.

Dr. Carlos Garcia:
Each episode, we'll feature inspiring clips from these masters, weaving them into our own reflections and conversations on how spirituality has enriched our daily lives, deepen our understanding of ourselves, and led us to a more meaningful existence.

Supna Doshi:
So, take a deep breath, open your heart, and join us on this journey of exploration. Welcome to THE Podcast – The Human Experience Podcast.

[00:00:41] Supna Doshi: I think that's the power of surrender that is in the, in essence, when we can let go of our beliefs and our, uh, everything we've been taught and everything we've been told and everything we believe. Mm-hmm. Just the most miraculous things [00:01:00] happen they're noticing. And the funny thing to me, the funniest part is how easy it is to forget how quickly I can forget the magic of this and go straight back into my human, or, you know, there's so many different words for it being asleep or being human, or the ego voice or whatever it is where you.

[00:01:24] Supna Doshi: I forget for a little while that, you know, like I lose my, [00:01:30] my, um, my balance isn't even the right word. Like, I just lose my sense of spirit for a while. 

[00:01:37] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. I mean, I, I I really love what you said there. You like, fall back asleep. You just, you, you, you know, with some clients I describe it as like the, the system that.

[00:01:50] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Pulls us away from remembering is so strong, right? Like it's just, maybe, maybe it's meant to be that way, but it's so strong, right? [00:02:00] Culturally, the messages, the, the, the desires that we're sort of right are just naturally built into us, right? Like just pulling our attention away constantly. Mm. You know, to the point where, you know, I'll say to clients like, this is my remembering.

[00:02:17] Dr. Carlos Garcia: This is my remembering. The music is the remembering. The meditation is the remembering. The pictures I keep around me are the, remember, like, like you just, or at least my experience has been, you build [00:02:30] more and more frequent and, um, and, and just more in terms of you just more remembering, right? You just gotta, you just gotta keep.

[00:02:42] Supna Doshi: Yeah, because it 

[00:02:43] Dr. Carlos Garcia: so easy, 

[00:02:43] Supna Doshi: but it's so easy to forget. It's also so hard to stay in that space. 

[00:02:47] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Oh, so hard. Yeah. I mean, I, I, you know, I see why yogis go off and meditate for 20, 18 hours a day. Right? Like, 

[00:02:55] Supna Doshi: yeah, 

[00:02:57] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I get it. 

[00:02:57] Supna Doshi: And it was interesting 'cause I was listening to a [00:03:00] podcast by, uh, uh, Randolph the other day, and there was, it was like a q and a session, and the question was.

[00:03:08] Supna Doshi: You know, how do you like how, why do we fall asleep and awaken and fall asleep and awaken? And his answer was that it is actually all part of the awakening process. 

[00:03:22] Dr. Carlos Garcia: The forgetting. The forgetting is the remembering. 

[00:03:25] Ram Daas: To the extent that you attempt to push away, falling back asleep, that is [00:03:30] already another asleep mechanism.

[00:03:32] Ram Daas: But in a funny way to say, there's really nothing you can do about it because even your attempts to get out of it are all a certain kind of sleepwalking, but in the same moment, you can't not do something about it. So you do. You climb a mountain, you follow a path, you do any of the methods that you are attracted to, for example, quieting your mind.

[00:03:54] Ram Daas: Or, um, opening your heart, uh, like [00:04:00] meditating or singing or going to church or service or whatever, or pitting the mind against the mind through Zen and Koans or whatever. All of it will push you and push you, but sooner or later you're gonna have to, you get trapped by your methods and they'll keep you asleep and you'll become a good meditator or, uh, you know, uh, I love Christ, but it'll be a sleep kind of statement.

[00:04:24] Ram Daas: And then you'll have to let go of that one too. But all of these are useful techniques to [00:04:30] keep working and you've gotta hear what your own technique is. Uh, the first thing is not to be bugged about going back to sleep. Just experience that it was grace that, that that death allowed you to awaken for a moment because the minute you try to grab onto the memory of what it was, you're just holding onto an old dead butterfly.

[00:04:51] Ram Daas: So you go back to sleep and then you wake up again. The fact that you're even asking that question is the awakening process at work. You have to stand [00:05:00] back one step further and see your whole life, the awakening and the going to sleep, all as awakening. Just get into a bigger time span and you'll be able to allow the dance to go on up and down and up and down, okay?

[00:05:13] Ram Daas: But you have to listen for your own method, and people have unique methods that they will be attractive to them. 

[00:05:19] Supna Doshi: It's mind blowing. 

[00:05:21] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah, 

[00:05:21] Supna Doshi: because I wanna know how it happened for you guys. 

[00:05:24] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:05:24] Supna Doshi: How'd you get on this path? I remember, I remember like it was yesterday when we were [00:05:30] sitting in whatever cafe that was 

[00:05:32] Dr. Carlos Garcia: the broken yolk cafe.

[00:05:34] Supna Doshi: The Broken Yolk cafe that I remember. 

[00:05:38] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah, yeah. And, and we were sitting there and I must have just been in my tirade, right? Like, like I can, I can, I can familiar, I'm very familiar with this aspect of myself. I, I mean, 'cause I still experience it at times, just probably not to the same degree, but I think I was just spouting out like where I'm not yet, [00:06:00] like all of my frustrations about professionally and.

[00:06:03] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Like, what am I supposed to be doing? And probably something about financially not being somewhere and just, yeah. This like anxious, attaching, desiring energy, just kind of spilling all over the eggs, right? Like yeah, I remember it like it was yesterday. And you, um, during that conversation, um, suggested Mickey singer's the surrender experiment.

[00:06:27] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Um, in a couple of days or maybe some [00:06:30] weeks later, I, I, I bought it and started to read it. I, I wanna go back and read that book because I, I, I know that that was the beginning of the process for me of understanding that there was a world I can live in that wasn't driven from this angst. That wasn't driven from, from, from all of the messages I had received up till that point in my life about how you live a, a, a successful or fulfilled [00:07:00] or happy life, whatever, you know, whatever that thing is.

[00:07:02] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Um, and, and yeah, that, that book that sort of was, was that first. Sort of opening, right? That first sort of message that through letting go, we can arrive at a place of, of just greater peace, greater happiness, greater joy for our lives. And I think part of, you know. That spoke to me was how successful he became by letting go.

[00:07:27] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I was like, oh yeah, this 'cause 

[00:07:29] Supna Doshi: [00:07:30] that's what I want. 

[00:07:31] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah, that's what I want. So, of course, right. So yeah, it was the first step. That was the first step. Um, and then the, I think the thing for me that really just pushed it, uh, yeah, that, that just really, uh, where I went from knowing in my mind to knowing in my soul.

[00:07:51] Michael Singer: I, I think the right place to start is not with what happened, but with the inner awakening that happened, and that is back in my twenties. I was [00:08:00] in graduate school finishing a doctorate in economics, and I woke up and I can't explain why or anything like that. I just started to see that. I was in here and that my mind was talking all the time, and that my heart was emoting these emotions and that I used to listen to all that.

[00:08:19] Michael Singer: It used to be every reaction, every reactionary thing the mind did and the heart did. I would just be in there jumping, frail around, trying to be okay, and [00:08:30] I woke up one day. Alright. And started to watch that instead of be that while I'm taking my shower, I have entertainment going on inside my head. You know, somebody sitting there talking to me and then it didn't take very long for me to realize it really wasn't that entertaining.

[00:08:45] Michael Singer: It was like pretty negative. It was mostly. The psychological mumbo jumbo, you know, insecurities and fear and defensiveness and, you know, finishing arguments that happened seven years ago are still going on in my head. You know, it was like, it was quite an [00:09:00] awakening and I realized that was always going on in there.

[00:09:03] Michael Singer: I wasn't aware of it. I was too protective, too involved in it. Okay. And now I had woken up to a certain degree and so I looked at it and it didn't take me long when intelligent guy to realize, I don't think so. This is not a healthy thing to have going on inside. That's my inner environment. This is my sanctuary.

[00:09:22] Michael Singer: I live in here, guys. Mm-hmm. Right. I don't want that going on inside of me. 

[00:09:26] Dr. Carlos Garcia: When I went to Costa Rica in [00:09:30] 2021, um, and spent a, a week at a, at a retreat center and practiced and, and, you know, did some, uh, ayahuasca, um, I talk about my ayahuasca experience. Well, the, the first thing I say is right, like, no, no words that I could ever.

[00:09:46] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Use can really describe to any other human right, like there, there are no words and no languages, and there won't be for a very long time. That will describe what my experience was, um, [00:10:00] during those ceremonies. But, um, I describe it as it pulled me so far out of my reality, out of my, what I thought was knowing that I couldn't, like, it just, it, it, I couldn't help but understand that there was something different out there.

[00:10:15] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Right. Something different energetically, something different spiritually. Um, yeah. And, and just like, oh, but it felt right on, right. Whatever it is, that thing that I was looking for, I found, and um, [00:10:30] you know, when something so profound, uh, speaks to you or you experience it in a way that it moves you to your core, that it moves you emotionally for me, um, that's truth.

[00:10:43] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I equate that to truth and, um. Whatever I experienced during that week was, was just felt like truth. I remember walking away from those ceremonies and being like, oh yeah, this is what I was looking for. Or the beginnings of it. Right. I [00:11:00] remember one night after one of my ceremonies, like, you know, we, we talk about wanting to find peace, and I remember feeling, not thinking, feeling, oh.

[00:11:10] Dr. Carlos Garcia: There's nothing else I have to do. There's nothing else I have to plan. There's nothing else I have to organize. There's nothing else I have to become. There is nothing else to do. Like you've arrived, you're there. Just put one step in front of the other and enjoy the ride, and like peace, right? Like, not even like, just like freedom, like a deep sense of freedom.

[00:11:29] Dr. Carlos Garcia: [00:11:30] And so in contrast to how I had been living up to that point, right where it was just. Again, this constant grind and this anxiety, and where are we going and how are we gonna get there? And how long is it gonna take? And what is it gonna be like? And just, you know, all of the things that the brain engages in as a process.

[00:11:51] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. And then, you know, back to what you were saying before, like the remembering, right? Then you come back. Mm-hmm. And you're back in it, [00:12:00] and you're around things that are triggering and you're back in society and you're back around, you know? Unhealthy foods and demands and, you know, that's, that's the integration process that they talk about that has been really, really challenging.

[00:12:15] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Right. Yeah. To, to not forget that space that you experienced. I had a really, really dear friend that said to me during that week, um, that the biggest challenge I was gonna have is, is. The [00:12:30] furthest distance I was gonna travel was from the knowing here to the knowing here in the mind, to the knowing in the heart.

[00:12:36] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And how would, how, how do we stay centered in the knowing in the heart? That was the beginnings, and I don't, I don't think I would've described it as an awakening, right? I, I think that that term gets used, um, well in a lot of different contexts and in a lot of different ways. Um. So, yeah, I, I think over the last couple years, it's like, was that an awakening?

[00:12:58] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And then while you're in it, [00:13:00] you're like the, there's no doubt, but, but there's the mind again, right. Trying to frame something and wanting to understand it instead of just being it. 

[00:13:08] Supna Doshi: Mm-hmm. Yeah. 

[00:13:09] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And 

[00:13:10] Supna Doshi: I think for me, like so many things, so number one is I feel like it's the planting of the seeds all along.

[00:13:19] Supna Doshi: Like it was that first conversation and the, you know. Cafe and then it was something else that happened in your life and because something led you to Costa [00:13:30] Rica 

[00:13:30] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. 

[00:13:31] Supna Doshi: For that experience. 

[00:13:33] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. 

[00:13:33] Supna Doshi: And I think like that, uh, those planting of the seeds, they're so significant and insignificant at the same time that you, until you put your awareness to them, you don't understand them.

[00:13:49] Supna Doshi: You don't see them. You. You don't have awareness of them, and yet it plans a seed in your heart that continues to pull you in [00:14:00] a direction where you know you're supposed to go. And so much of what we live is going against our intuition, not listening to our gut, not believing in ourselves, and not having the confidence to know that no, what we feel is right.

[00:14:19] Dr. Carlos Garcia: A right. The, the first ceremony I had, right, the first really powerful experience with this plant medicine, the, the sort of experience was I get pulled, yanked out into the [00:14:30] middle of the universe. And the experience I have is like, oh, this goes in all directions forever. Um, just this like meeting with the idea of how expansive we are.

[00:14:43] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And then the next thing that happened was my entire life, um, like came before me, almost like a reel of a, of an old film, of a movie. It was like, oh, we spoke to you here. That moment where you were depressed and felt a little bit of sense of hope, [00:15:00] we spoke to you here. In this sentence, in that random book that someone suggested, we spoke to you here when we closed that door, that you were so frustrated you couldn't go in.

[00:15:11] Dr. Carlos Garcia: We spoke, right? Like it was just the, all the little threat, like to, to this moment where you are now look at and just like full tears, full weeping in gratitude of how I've been guided, right? But like with distance, with perspective, being able to see it all. 

[00:15:29] Supna Doshi: Mm. [00:15:30] 

[00:15:31] Dr. Carlos Garcia: All the ways that the universe is speaking to us in every moment in one direction, 

[00:15:37] Supna Doshi: and it's through everything.

[00:15:38] Supna Doshi: It's through others. It's through our experiences, it's through the book that we pick up and the page that we open to. It's to, you know, 

[00:15:47] Dr. Carlos Garcia: a quote, the song 

[00:15:48] Supna Doshi: that comes on the radio. Yeah. 

[00:15:51] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Hearing about someone else's life experience that, you know, sent you in one direction or another. All of it. Yeah. 

[00:15:58] Supna Doshi: I know Mickey [00:16:00] Singer talks about, I, I call it I guess his awakenings or his, where his awareness of there is him and then there is the observer, and he describes it as just sitting on a sofa and realizing that.

[00:16:15] Supna Doshi: Exist. And I think, um, you know, for whatever, whatever we're gonna call it, whatever it is, this, this bringing awareness to, or this awakening or whatever, I think like there's so many degrees of it. I've heard of it happening for a lot of [00:16:30] people through near death experiences. Where they almost die and then they have a spiritual experience and then they have the knowing and then they come back.

[00:16:38] Supna Doshi: Mm-hmm. Anita or Johnny experienced that? 

[00:16:42] Anita Moorjani: You know, one of the biggest reasons that I'm happy to be here is because I shouldn't be alive today. I should have died on February the second, 2006. That was supposed to be my last day here in this physical life. Because on that [00:17:00] day, the doctors had told my husband and my family that I only had a few more hours to live.

[00:17:06] Anita Moorjani: I was dying from end stage lymphoma, which is a form of cancer, of the lymph nodes. And on that morning, on February the second two, 2006, I went into a coma. The doctors had said, these were my final hours, because now my organs had shut down. My organs were failing, so my [00:17:30] family were told that if there was anybody that had to see me before I died, this was the time.

[00:17:37] Anita Moorjani: Unbeknownst to everyone around me though, even though it appeared that I was in a coma and my eyes were closed, I was aware of every single thing that was happening. It felt as though I had 360 degree peripheral vision. I could see everything happening all around my body. [00:18:00] One thing that I felt in this amazing, expansive state, I felt I was in like a realm of clarity where I understood everything.

[00:18:11] Anita Moorjani: I understood why I had cancer. I understood that I was much greater. In fact, all of us are much greater and more powerful than we realize when we are in our physical bodies. I also felt as if I was connected to [00:18:30] everybody. I felt as though my father was trying to communicate with me that it wasn't my time that I needed to go back into my body.

[00:18:42] Anita Moorjani: At first, I didn't wanna go back because I still felt as though I had a choice whether to come back or not. So at first, I absolutely did not wanna go back into my body because I couldn't see a single good reason to go back into this sick and dying body. I was a burden [00:19:00] on my family. I was suffering.

[00:19:02] Anita Moorjani: There was no good reason. So I didn't wanna go back. But in the next instant, it felt as if I completely understood that. Now that I knew what I knew, and because I understood what caused the cancer, I knew that if I chose to go back to my body, my body would heal very, very quickly. And so in that moment. [00:19:30] I made the decision to go back and I heard as though my father and my best friend said to me, now that you know the truth of who you really are, go back and live your life.

[00:19:41] Anita Moorjani: Fearlessly. 

[00:19:44] Supna Doshi: Unusual one that I've heard of, Byron Katie, where she just was at such a low and a cockroach crawled across her toe, and that was her moment. Mm-hmm. 

[00:19:55] Byron Katie: As I lay on the floor on actually a cockroach crawled [00:20:00] over my foot and I opened my eyes and inplace of all that darkness was a joy. And I, um, I've always had difficulty speaking to that.

[00:20:12] Byron Katie: I think it's better lived. 

[00:20:14] Supna Doshi: For me it was, and in hindsight I can see all the seeds, but for me the moment I had a moment and it. After 10 years of trying to get pregnant, when I went into the fertility [00:20:30] center and I had told the nurse, I said, I am not taking a pregnancy test. Like I'm gonna sit here and you are gonna break my heart in front of me and tell me that I'm not having a child, that I'm not pregnant because I'm not gonna do it alone.

[00:20:43] Supna Doshi: And when I went in to get tested and she drew my blood. And she like yelled at the top of her lungs in the room. She was like, you are so pregnant. And it was a joy I [00:21:00] think, that I felt. I didn't know existed and it filled my body with light. Like I felt like I was a glowing Michelin man walking around.

[00:21:12] Supna Doshi: And that voice, that ego voice, that whatever it is that's in the mind like disappeared because there was so much light there, it had no place to. So, and that was my experience for my entire pregnancy. I tried for 10 [00:21:30] years, uh, infertility treatments, and I mean, God, just anything that you could think of, you know, and it wa and it goes back to the idea that what I was taught was that you grow up, you get an education, you get married, you have children.

[00:21:49] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Mm-hmm. 

[00:21:50] Supna Doshi: That is your role. That is your job. And now I can't do my job. Yeah. And I don't know why. And it was such, [00:22:00] um, it's such a disservice that we do to the women in our society to define them mm-hmm. By their ability to carry children. Yeah. Um, but it is something that was, you know, ingrained in me and it was something that I believed wholeheartedly.

[00:22:22] Supna Doshi: And so that's why I kept going for 10 years through all this torture and everything. But then to get to that moment where [00:22:30] she said it was all it went from, I don't believe you or I can't quite believe you, to a I know. And it was like a light switch that went from the head to the heart for me and, but.

[00:22:48] Supna Doshi: That experience. So it was a one moment experience, but it lasted the entirety of my pregnancy. It was like, I remember walking around. I mean, [00:23:00] I had swollen feet and um, throwing up everywhere and this rash around my belly and like I shoulda been the most miserable. The told me one, my kids had a heart. At one point I was sitting in my boss's office with my feet up on a chair 'cause they were so swollen and he was yelling at me because of something and like I literally [00:23:30] was laughing out loud.

[00:23:32] Supna Doshi: Yeah. At the absurdity of what we do to each other. Because I knew, I was like, oh, none of this matters. Yeah. Like everything's gonna be fine. None of it matters. You can do whatever you want. Like I just know. And 

[00:23:48] Dr. Carlos Garcia: you have three beautiful triplets now? 

[00:23:52] Supna Doshi: I do. And I almost wonder if in some ways it is kind of like an ayahuasca experience, just because when you get pregnant, [00:24:00] all of those hormones and those chemicals are like.

[00:24:04] Supna Doshi: So intense because once the epidural went in, the light went out. I felt it. That's amazing. I knew exactly the moment when it happened, and I know exactly the moment when it left, 

[00:24:15] Dr. Carlos Garcia: you know, because we're talking about these sort of awakening moments. Right. And um, I, I think one of the things I've heard. Um, right.

[00:24:26] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. The cockroach crawling, right? Finding out that you're pregnant, the, the [00:24:30] cockroach crawling over your toe. Uh, um, I've heard sort of deep depression episodes, right? Like a, a vehicle accident. Like there's so many ways in which we can potentially awaken or that people have awakened, right? Mm-hmm. Which to me is, um, I think that's valuable and important because, um, we don't know.

[00:24:50] Dr. Carlos Garcia: It, you don't have to move to the Himalayas and meditate, you know, for 30 years in a, in a mountain by yourself. Right. Like that, that, that's one [00:25:00] of the ways. But, um, when you, when you have this experience, do you, like, do you understand what was happening for you? Like, did you, like, oh yeah, this is, I mean, how did you.

[00:25:14] Dr. Carlos Garcia: What was happening? Were you able to, did it come later? 

[00:25:17] Supna Doshi: Yeah, I had no idea what was happening again, because I wasn't, in my mind, I was in my heart and for that entire time, and it was just like I couldn't go to my mind. Oh, I couldn't try to rationalize anything because. [00:25:30] That didn't exist. My human was like gone for a while.

[00:25:33] Supna Doshi: It was my spirit had taken over my body. It was like you just sit back and relax. I've got this. We can grow three babies and we'll take, uh, the universe is perfect. Like your universe is perfect. You just relax. Yeah. It was when the light went out, um, and the postpartum depression. Sunk in. Mm-hmm. Which, like you talked about the reintegration 

[00:25:57] Dr. Carlos Garcia: mm-hmm.

[00:25:58] Supna Doshi: Of after an [00:26:00] experience like that, that was the worst darkness I had ever experienced. Yeah. And that worst darkness that I had ever experienced was the exact opposite. My spirit was gone 

[00:26:14] Dr. Carlos Garcia: and 

[00:26:14] Supna Doshi: all I felt was thanking them. 

[00:26:15] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Mm-hmm. 

[00:26:16] Supna Doshi: Mm-hmm. But I had these three amazing babies. And so it was like they were the reminder 

[00:26:22] Dr. Carlos Garcia: mm-hmm.

[00:26:23] Supna Doshi: That it had happened, that I could believe that it had existed. Um, and it was in [00:26:30] that, that it was possible. Exactly. And it was in that darkness. When I was scrolling Facebook, when I came across a singer video interview with Oprah, where he was talking about the experience I had had during my pregnancy, and again, it was another seed, it was another, you know, message from the universe that, no, this happened, and hey, you can actually do the work to get back to it.

[00:26:56] Supna Doshi: Now, I gave you a gift. It was almost like, here's, here's a [00:27:00] gift. Here, here's a taste. Yeah. Here's your, uh, appetizer. And so now you can choose, 

[00:27:08] Dr. Carlos Garcia: yeah, 

[00:27:09] Supna Doshi: you have a choice. Do you want to choose that or do you wanna choose something else? Like it's your choice. And so when I saw, when I heard him talking about it, that is when I started reading his books and said, okay.

[00:27:23] Supna Doshi: I can, I know he experienced it and I know he wasn't pregnant, so I like, okay, this [00:27:30] happens to other people too. And then I can just find a set of tools for myself to, you know, to be able to maybe not get back there, but at least to work my way in that direction. That is my choice and that's what I choose to do.

[00:27:45] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. Say in several years since, um, coming back from. My retreat retreat, um, more and more frequently at, at first the, these moments felt, [00:28:00] um, sort of very, uh, random and, and distant, but, um, moments where I've experienced life with such gratitude, right? With such peace, with just like, it, like almost that it, it brings me back to that place.

[00:28:16] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Like I, I, I, I. Fall down to my knees and, and just arrive again and feel, I mean, gratitude is, you know, like it's not even, it's not even a word to really [00:28:30] describe what it feels like in that space. Um, it's just this deep knowing, this deep inner peace. Um, and you know, when I say random, I, I remember, this is probably about a year ago now.

[00:28:43] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And I don't know, you know, I'm not sure what sort of drove this, but not, not, not even that it matters, but I remember, um, driving into work one morning and I was at a a, at a traffic light, um, one that I had, you know, [00:29:00] drive every morning. Right. And there was a, a homeless, um, individual asking, or no, he was selling like these little straw crosses.

[00:29:10] Dr. Carlos Garcia: And, you know, I'd seen him there a million times. And on this particular morning, you know, just, I, I was, I was feeling deeply grateful for the things in my life. And, um, I pull out a $20 bill and I, I, you know, sort of honk my horn so he can come over. And I gave him the [00:29:30] money and he went to give me the cross and I said, hold on to it.

[00:29:34] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Um. I was like, hold on to it and, and just, you know, maybe somebody else needs it a little bit more than I do today. And that was the end of the interaction, right? And then I saw him sort of come, you know, behind my car. Then he came around and came back to my window and he said, why did you do that? And I said, um, I said, I just sort of felt compelled, right.[00:30:00] 

[00:30:01] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Looking into each other's eyes, appreciating kindness for that one little moment, which I don't imagine often he experienced. Or that often a lot of us experience this moment of connection with another human being like, Hey, I see you. And as the light turned green and I started to drive away, I had to pull over because this energy just poured into me so strong.

[00:30:27] Dr. Carlos Garcia: I couldn't, like, I, I couldn't drive, like I [00:30:30] had to pull over and just weep with, with joy, those reminders, right? It was like, keep going. And, um, yeah, those, those, um, you, you know, you were talking about the path, the things that we can do that move us in that direction or, or not even move us in that direction and bring us back home.

[00:30:50] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Yeah. Um, and you know, like, you know, when you come back home, it's just that feeling of being, and that's, you know, Ronda talks about [00:31:00] this when, when he sort of had this experience in his life, like there's no other game in town now. There's nothing else to do. I just wanna keep doing the things, the practices, the, you know, whatever those things are to keep coming back to that place.

[00:31:16] Supna Doshi: One of the things Wayne Dyer talks about is, uh, when, when, uh, when we can see the child and how the child is, is, uh, how the child [00:31:30] grows. We forget, we had nothing to do with it. We did not go in and put those child's eyes where they're, or that knows where it's, we did not tell its heart how to beat. We did not tell the veins and arteries which ways to go.

[00:31:48] Supna Doshi: And then when the child is born, how. Insignificant. We make the miracle that just happened and think that we can take control and we can [00:32:00] take over and we could do better. And I think that, that, uh, it's those seeds, they exist everywhere in our life. Like you said, looking at another human being in the eyes and looking past what they're wearing and what the color of their skin is and what their hair looks like, and actually looking into their soul and smiling.

[00:32:21] Supna Doshi: In one second of any day, you meet God no matter who. It's, and I think [00:32:30] it's the reminder that we have the choice to do those things in every moment of every day. We are making our own choices of, of how we wanna live and who we wanna be and if we wanna go home. 

[00:32:42] Wayne Dyer: Yeah. There was a friend of mine, her name was Portia Nelson.

[00:32:48] Wayne Dyer: Portia passed away a few years back. She lived up in Seattle and she was at a seminar and they asked her to, and they asked everyone to write on a five by seven sheet of [00:33:00] paper or card, uh, the five chapters of their life. They only wanted to give them five by seven cards because they didn't want 'em get too wor wordy and Portia Nelson sat down and wrote these words.

[00:33:15] Wayne Dyer: About the five chapters of her life, and I thought I would share them here with you. They're so beautiful. She said, chapter one of my life, I walk down the street, there's a deep [00:33:30] hole in the sidewalk. I fall in, I am lost. I'm helpless. It isn't my fault, and it takes forever to find a way out. Chapter two of my life, I walk down the same street.

[00:33:52] Wayne Dyer: There's a deep hole in the sidewalk. I pretend I don't see it. I fall in again, it's, [00:34:00] I can't believe I'm in the same place. It isn't my fault, and it still takes a long time to get out Chapter three of my life. I walk down the same street. There's a deep hole in the sidewalk. I see it there. I still fall in.

[00:34:27] Wayne Dyer: It's a habit. My eyes are [00:34:30] open. I know where I am. It's my own fault, and I get out immediately. Chapter four of my life. I walk down. The same street. There's a deep hole in the sidewalk. I walk around it. Chapter five of my life, I walk down [00:35:00] another street. 

[00:35:03] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Thank you for listening to this episode of the podcast, the Human Experience Podcast.

[00:35:09] Dr. Carlos Garcia: We're so grateful to have shared this time with you. 

[00:35:11] Supna Doshi: As we continue recording new episodes, we'd love to hear from you. Share your thoughts, questions, or topics you'd like us to explore and tell us about your own spiritual journey. We wanna connect with you. 

[00:35:24] Dr. Carlos Garcia: Give us a call at (800) 791-3884 and leave us a [00:35:30] voicemail.

[00:35:30] Dr. Carlos Garcia: You might just be featured on a future episode of the podcast. 

[00:35:35] Supna Doshi: Thank you for being part of our community. Until next time, keep walking your path with peace, love, and purpose.

Anita Moorjani

https://youtu.be/rhcJNJbRJ6U?si=xizw_HI7Xb-KirA9

Byron Katie

https://youtu.be/0F-QpYtCW0Q?si=34bosTWOY1XEYXvL

Ram Daas 

https://youtu.be/qo6ZXNBtYrc?si=MYIO1Pgb9IIT6gCz

Michael Singer 

https://youtu.be/IU_cwY-P-g8?si=skGNaX_6s2oylCHv

Wayne Dyer reads Portia Nelson

https://youtu.be/bP8moNSVkCs?si=wu6ZimgScYM4Q4BU

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Supna reflects on her experience running a half marathon, sharing how mental preparation, inner stillness, and a surprising absence of self-criticism helped her move through fear and self-doubt. She describes how running—especially outside the structure of a formal race—became a mirror for understanding motivation, identity, and the role external validation plays in performance.

The conversation expands into a deeper exploration of why humans naturally avoid discomfort and how choosing hard things can lead to greater self-awareness, resilience, and transformation. Carlos shares reflections on intentionally stepping into challenges, including realizations around long-term career identity and the courage required to question familiar paths after years of commitment.

As the episode closes, Supna and Carlos discuss the shift from external motivation to inner drive, the impermanence of difficult moments, and how consistent, small practices can create a foundation for lasting change. This episode invites listeners to reconsider their relationship with discomfort—and to see challenge not as something to escape, but as a teacher guiding them forward.

🎧 In this episode, we explore:

• Running as a spiritual and reflective practice
  
  

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• Fear of failure and finishing what we start
  
  

• Choosing discomfort as a path to growth
  
  

• External validation vs. internal motivation
  
  

• Identity shifts, career reflection, and life transitions
  
  

✨ Growth doesn't come from comfort—it comes from choosing to stay present when things get hard.

🎶 Special Thanks

We are deeply grateful to Michael Hoppe for allowing us to use his extraordinary music in our intro and outro. A Grammy-nominated, Emmy and Academy Award–winning composer, Michael's work has inspired millions worldwide and adds a profound spiritual depth to The Human Experience.

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Shame is one of the most powerful—and misunderstood—human emotions. In this episode of The Human Experience (THE) Podcast, Dr. Carlos Garcia and Supna Doshi explore the spirituality of shame, how it develops, and how it quietly shapes our self-worth, relationships, and healing journey.

Through personal stories, cultural reflections, and therapeutic insight, this conversation unpacks the difference between shame vs. guilt, the impact of parenting and cultural conditioning, and why self-compassion is essential for emotional and spiritual healing. Carlos and Supna also discuss present-centered therapy, emotional awareness, and the importance of trusting your intuition rather than rushing to "fix" yourself.

This episode invites listeners to slow down, sit with difficult emotions, and begin releasing shame through understanding, presence, and kindness—transforming pain into growth and self-acceptance.

🎧 In this episode, we explore:

• What shame is and how it differs from guilt
  
  

• Cultural and childhood roots of shame
  
  

• Parenting, emotional patterns, and long-term impact
  
  

• Self-compassion as a pathway to healing
  
  

• Therapy myths and present-centered healing
  
  

• Emotional awareness and spiritual detachment
  
  

✨ Healing isn't about eliminating emotions—it's about learning how to be with them.

🎶 Special Thanks

We are deeply grateful to Michael Hoppe for allowing us to use his extraordinary music in our intro and outro. A Grammy-nominated, Emmy and Academy Award–winning composer, Michael's work has inspired millions worldwide and adds a profound spiritual depth to The Human Experience.

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1)This video has no negative impact on the original works (It would actually be positive for them).

2)This video is also for teaching purposes.

3)It is not transformative in nature.

4)I only used bits and pieces of videos to get the point across where necessary.

The creator does not own the rights to these video clips. It is to bring context and help create an atmospheric feeling that will help and inspire people in their life. 

The use is not intended to interfere in any manner with their commercial exploitation of the complete work by the owners of the copyright. 

They have, in accordance with fair use, been repurposed with the intent of educating and inspiring others. However, if any content owners would like their images removed, please contact us.

Our purpose, when making motivational videos, is to make quality educational motivational videos and share these with our viewers.

What if the universe is always whispering—through dreams, signs, and quiet inner nudges—guiding us toward who we're meant to become?

In this episode, Dr. Carlos Garcia and Supna Doshi share personal stories of receiving unexpected guidance—from vivid dreams to subtle synchronicities—that shaped their choices and deepened their trust in life's larger plan. Together, they explore the delicate balance between following intuition and making practical decisions, and how persistence helps us stay true to our inner compass even when self-doubt creeps in.

 "Our inner voice is the thread connecting us to something greater." 
 "When we surrender goals and hold intentions instead, we create space for the universe to surprise us."

This heartfelt conversation unpacks how intuition, surrender, and intention shape our journeys of growth. From David Goggins' relentless inner drive to Supna's evolving relationship with running as a spiritual practice, the episode reminds us that the path is not about controlling outcomes—it's about aligning with a deeper flow.

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What if our hardest moments weren't just things to survive—but invitations to awaken?

In this episode, Dr. Carlos Garcia and Supna Doshi explore the profound relationship between trauma and spirituality, and how our life challenges—both big and small—can become powerful teachers on the path to healing and self-discovery.

From everyday stress and loss to deeper emotional wounds, they unpack how pain can shape our perspective, expand our compassion, and reconnect us with something greater than ourselves. Through stories, insights, and lived experience, Carlos and Supna discuss how trauma can be both a psychological process and a spiritual awakening—when we have the courage to face it with awareness and love.

 "Healing isn't about forgetting the pain—it's about finding meaning in it."
 "Every challenge carries the potential to open our hearts a little wider."

Together, they remind us that spirituality isn't about escaping our humanity—it's about embracing it fully. This conversation offers a compassionate invitation to see trauma not as a life sentence, but as a bridge toward wholeness, resilience, and growth.

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Why is it so hard to see ourselves clearly, even when others see our greatness?

In this episode, Dr. Carlos Garcia and Supna Doshi open up about their own struggles with imposter syndrome—the nagging belief that we're not good enough, even in the midst of real accomplishments. From childhood conditioning and cultural expectations to professional milestones and parenting doubts, they reveal the hidden roots of self-doubt and how it quietly shapes our lives.

 "Imposter syndrome isn't a sign you're failing—it's a sign you're growing." 
 "Freedom begins when we stop living for others and start living as our authentic selves."

Together, Carlos and Supna explore the mismatch between self-perception and reality, why high achievers often feel like frauds, and the exhaustion of chasing external validation. They share practical tools—like embracing authenticity, reframing feedback, and surrendering control—that help transform imposter syndrome into a catalyst for personal growth.

This conversation is a reminder that we don't have to earn our worth—it's already within us. The work is simply remembering who we are.

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