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The Systems Sandbox

First Person Consulting

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Frequency: 1 episode/26d. Total Eps: 13

Join Hosts Matt Healey and Tenille Moselen from First Person Consulting (FPC) to explore the world of systems thinking and complexity.

The Systems Sandbox has been developed as part of FPC's capacity building work with the Victorian Health Promotion Foundation (VicHealth)'s Local Government Partnership, but has been designed for any organisations or people grappling with complex problems and opportunities.

To learn more about VicHealth and their Local Government Partnership check out their website: https://www.vichealth.vic.gov.au/programs-and-projects/local-government-partnership

For more about FPC and their work check out their website: www.fpconsulting.com.au

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#3 Determinants of... And The Pig Model

Season 1 · Episode 3

Monday, October 21, 2024 • Duration 46:24

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We continue the theme of systems journeys, with hosts Tenille and Matt sharing how they each came to learn about the ideas and practices of systems thinking from public health and environmental disciplines. This includes the determinants of health, ecological ways of thinking and resilience, but also handy tips to help anchor our thinking in systemic ways.

Then, Tenille spends some time explaining The Pig Model, a useful and no-tech approach to reflecting on stakeholder perspectives. It's a great tool for the toolkit, and usable by individuals or groups as an icebreaker or conversation starter.

This episode promises to enrich your understanding of how systems-based concepts are embedded in our daily lives, and provide some ideas for reframing conversations.

For more about us and what we do check out our LinkedIn page.

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#2 Systems Thinking as Process and Product with Jocelyn Bignold OAM

Season 1 · Episode 2

Monday, October 14, 2024 • Duration 39:34

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Systems thinking is valuable as both process and product, but that is not the end of the story. These are both inputs into wider efforts and processes for change.

In this episode we chat to Jocelyn Bignold OAM and the CEO of McAuley Community Services for Women. Jocelyn has spent her career supporting women and children leaving family violence, experiencing homelessness and mental illness.

Jocelyn chats with Matt about her own systems journey, and how McAuley used systems thinking as part of their efforts to support women and children to be Safe at Home.You can learn more about McAuley and their work advocating and working towards Safe at Home on their website.

For more about us and what we do check out our LinkedIn page.

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#1 Welcome to the Sandbox

Season 1 · Episode 1

Friday, October 4, 2024 • Duration 36:28

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The Systems Sandbox is a fortnightly series that unpacks the realities of applying systems thinking to complex contexts. First Person Consulting (FPC) have developed the Systems Sandbox as part of their capacity building work with the Victorian Health Promotion Foundation (VicHealth)'s Local Government Partnership.

Join hosts Matt Healey and Tenille Moselen in the first episode as they meet with Samantha Chapman and Jessica Brien - VicHealth's Leads for the Partnership - to learn about why VicHealth runs the Partnership, what it entails, and the role for systems thinking in addressing complex challenges.

For more about us and what we do check out our LinkedIn page.

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#8 Of Stories, Systems, and "Imelda, Who Was Small" with Thea Snow

Season 1 · Episode 8

Thursday, January 23, 2025 • Duration 47:44

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Stories are powerful levers for change and building shared understanding, but where do they fit within the context of systems work? But also, what is Thea Snow, Regional Director at the Centre for Public Impact's favourite story?

If those are the questions at the front of your mind today then you've come to the right place! In this episode, Tenille and Matt chat with Thea about her work and learning about the power of stories and storytelling. Listen for an insightful and thought provoking discussion that leaves you with a task - reflect on what your favourite story is, why, and share the answer with others.

For more about us and what we do check out our LinkedIn page.

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#7 Inviting Conversation Through Powerful Questions (Bonus Episode)

Season 1 · Episode 7

Thursday, January 2, 2025 • Duration 28:07

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It's a new year - time for a new episode! We've put together this shorter bonus episode to ease you into the new year. In this episode, Matt delves into the role of questions - specifically 'powerful questions' and their ability to create a space for different types of conversations.

Matt talks about three types of powerful question:

Diagnostic
Reframing
Generative

Hear Matt describe these applied to the hypothetical area of Meadowview and its food system. Whether you're a seasoned Sandbox enthusiast or just curious, this episode invites you to consider whether you're asking the right questions to invite the right conversations.

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For more about us and what we do check out our LinkedIn page.

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#6 But Seriously... How Do I Map a System?

Season 1 · Episode 6

Sunday, December 15, 2024 • Duration 40:13

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In this follow-up to Episode #5 on diagnosing complexity, Matt and Tenille get tangible with a conversation on ways to think and approach systems mapping. The big focus is on two foundational ways to frame a system:

through the actors that are involved or interacting
through the determinants (barriers or enablers) to a topic area or point of focus

They unpack some of the tricks and tips - including second layer questions, boundary setting, and lateral thinking - as well as the role and importance of different perspectives being involved.

For more about us and what we do check out our LinkedIn page.

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#5 Systems and Place with Dominique Hes... and How-To Diagnose Complexity

Season 1 · Episode 5

Friday, December 6, 2024 • Duration 54:00

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In this episode of The Systems Sandbox, Matt chats with author, educator, policy advisor and regenerative thinker Dominique Hes about her take on systems thinking. She offers insights into the importance of adaptability, the importance of designing with communities and place, and why she sees herself as mycelium in the forest.

Matt and Tenille then tackle a crucial question in the systems space - what are we seeing if we frame a problem as 'complex'? Shifting away from surface level analogies, they break down four things to look for to know if something is complex with the issue of vaping used as an example.

This thought provoking episode has something for everyone!

You can pick up a copy of Dominique's new book on the history and place of Newport Lakes in local bookstores in Yarraville and Williamstown, or online: https://www.amazon.com.au/STORIES-NEWPORT-LAKES-Creating-regeneration/dp/064670494X

For more about us and what we do check out our LinkedIn page.

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#4 Healthy Habits for Kids: Lessons from Canada with Ruby Marshall... and Mental Models

Season 1 · Episode 4

Thursday, November 7, 2024 • Duration 47:20

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In this episode, Tenille speaks with Ruby Marshall, the Live 5210 coordinator at the University of British Columbia. Ruby shares her journey in health promotion, from her roots in Australia to her current role in Canada, where she collaborates with communities to promote healthy habits in children. They explore concepts essential to systems thinking, like leverage points and feedback loops, and Ruby offers insights into the challenges of cross-sector collaboration in health promotion. She discusses the 5210 initiative, which encourages children to enjoy 5 servings of fruits and veggies, limit recreational screen time to 2 hours, get 1 hour of physical activity, and avoid sugary drinks. Ruby explains how mental models and community champions play a crucial role in sustaining long-term change in complex health systems. Matt wraps up with a discussion on mental models, emphasizing the importance of making assumptions explicit in systems change work; and ideas on how to do so.

Learn more about Live5210 from their website: https://live5210.ca/pages/home.

For more about us and what we do check out our LinkedIn page.

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#12 Not Just a Method, But a Relationship: Systems Thinking in Place with Penny Hagen and Angie Tangaere

Season 1 · Episode 12

Friday, June 27, 2025 • Duration 01:14:03

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What does it take to change systems — not just tweak them? In this powerful episode, Angie Tangaere and Penny Hagen from the Auckland Co-Design Lab share what it means to lead transformative, indigenous-led systems change rooted in place, relationships, and real-world learning. From rethinking how government works with communities, to why personal healing matters in policy reform, this is a conversation that blends the deeply practical with the radically human. If you care about equity, complexity, or creating meaningful change that lasts — this one’s for you.

If you're interested in learning more, here's some links to references made in the episode:

The Auckland Co-Design Lab (https://www.aucklandco-lab.nz) and The Southern Initiative (https://www.tsi.nz/)
Human Learning Systems (https://www.humanlearning.systems/)
Healing Systems for Change (https://ssir.org/articles/entry/healing-trauma-systems)

Throughout the episode you may hear references to terms or parts of Aotearoa New Zealand's history and culture. You're welcome to use the below links to learn a bit more about these to help you get the most out of the episode.

Hear some terms that you're not familiar with? Start here:
https://nzhistory.govt.nz/culture/maori-language-week/100-maori-words
Te Tiriti o Waitangi (The Treaty of Waitangi) is a foundational document for Aotearoa New Zealand (https://nzhistory.govt.nz/politics/treaty/the-treaty-in-brief)

For more about us and what we do check out our LinkedIn page.

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#11 Thriving Systems for Thriving Kids: The Role of Context and Partnerships with Jacinta Perry

Season 1 · Episode 11

Monday, April 14, 2025 • Duration 46:01

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In today's episode, Matt and Tenille talk with Jacinta Perry from Thriving Queensland Kids Partnership (TQKP) about what it means to view partnerships as systems, focusing on child-centered frameworks for systemic change. Jacinta explains the role of TQKP as a systems intermediary, aimed at creating conditions for kids to thrive in Queensland by connecting stakeholders from various sectors. She delves into the organisation's initiatives, including the Country Collaborative and Thriving Kids in Disasters, emphasising the significance of relationships and partnerships. Jacinta shares some of her insights on how systems thinking applies in her work, the role of ecological system-based metaphors, and the importance of going slowly with haste.

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For more about us and what we do check out our LinkedIn page.

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