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Before they get to the episode Karen and Jen begin with a hilarious exchange about a potential guest; Xavier Legette, horse lover, wide receiver for the Carolina Panthers Football team and former South Carolina Gamecock. X, have your people call our people! 

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Building on their previous discussion about the tensions between equestrian professionals and amateur clients, Karen and Jen shift the focus to the positive aspects that unite them.

Listen in as they explore what professionals truly appreciate about horses, the sport, and the rewarding career paths they've chosen.

The hosts also tackle practical solutions for avoiding conflicts between individuals in the equestrian community. They discuss effective communication strategies and proactive approaches that can lead to more long lasting relationships. Moreover, Jen and Karen emphasize the importance of mutual appreciation and empathy. They offer tips on how professionals can express gratitude to their clients and vice versa, even discussing discounts, and gifts. 

Whether you're a rider, trainer, parent, or simply an equestrian enthusiast, this episode is packed with valuable insights and heartfelt discussions that celebrate the bond between professionals, clients and horses. Tune in to discover how to strengthen these relationships and enhance your equestrian experience!

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In this thought-provoking episode, hosts Jen, a seasoned horse trainer and rider, and Karen, a devoted horse show parent and former client of Jen's, delve into the complex relationship between professional horse people and their amateur clients. They tackle the often contentious divide that exists in the equestrian world, exploring the feelings of elitism that some professionals exude and the frustrations that arise from clients feeling sidelined in their horse’s training and care.

Karen introduces key topics that frequently spark discord, such as the high costs associated with equestrian sports.  She shares her own experiences, highlighting the resentment some clients feel towards the time professionals spend in the barn, fostering a sense of separation between the two groups. 

Jen candidly acknowledges these feelings and offers her perspective, expressing her own frustrations regarding how some clients interact with professionals. As the conversation unfolds, both hosts realize that the key to overcoming these challenges lies in establishing clear boundaries, fostering honest communication, and encouraging open dialogue. 

Join Jen and Karen for an engaging discussion that aims to foster understanding and collaboration in the equestrian community, bridging the gap between professionals and amateurs for a more harmonious experience for all involved.

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Karen's son hopes to Door Dash his way to his first horse purchase--and he's considering importing--impossible right?! Well maybe not. Sure, its going to take A LOT of "Dashing," but importing horses isn't reserved for the super rich. In this episode, Karen has lots of questions for Jen on her experience traveling to Europe to try horses, importing horses off of videos and so much more. Get ready for real talk about the pitfalls and the upsides of importing in the five figure price range. 

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Karen and Jen, a dedicated horse show parent and a seasoned horse trainer, dive into some of the the crucial aspects of purchasing a horse. They explore the importance of enlisting professional help when making such an significant investment, discussing how expert guidance can prevent costly mistakes that often arise from online purchases or amatuer decisions. 

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From the fine art of cheering to the delicate balance of arrival times, Karen and Jen dissect some of the often unwritten rules of horse show etiquette. 

Discover why parents should steer clear of the in gate and the importance of timing when it comes to morning barn chores. From their two different perspectives, Karen and Jen explore the reasons behind these practices—are they all about safety, or is there a bit of trainer power play at work? 

Whether you're a rider, trainer, horse show newbie, or seasoned show parent, this episode is sure to bring you a new perspective on the arena!

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In a few short weeks, young riders and diminutive equines from all over the country will flock to Lexington, Kentucky for one of the most anticipated events of the year; USEF Pony Finals. 

Stepping into the Walnut Ring is the culmination of months, maybe even years of preparation and hard work. For some riders, Pony Finals is the start of an illustrious equestrian career (think Lillie Keenan). For others, Pony Finals is the first and last opportunity to compete on a grand, National stage. 

With educational opportunities, a range of awards, and a deep sense of camaraderie, its no wonder that Pony Finals has become a common goal among the 14.2 hand and under crowd. But, are we placing too much emphasis on one show? And is Pony Finals really for everyone?

In this episode, Karen and Jen Discuss the pros and cons of pony finals, as well as their own experiences with this popular event. 

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The Baran Global Hunter Classic is an event like no other and Liza Towell Boyd has put together a team like no other!

Liza, along with her daughter Elle Boyd, and her brother Hardin Towell, are traveling to Valkendwaard, Netherlands, to take on six other teams in a Nations Cup style competition that includes an under saddle, a classic hunter round and a handy hunter round. After three days of competition, from July 11-13, 2025, the winning team will walk away with their share of the €300,000 purse. 

We caught up with Liza moments after she won the $20,000 USHJA International Hunter Derby in Tryon (NC) with Ondine d'Orleans, and just days before competition kicks off at The Baran. We chatted about her team members and their string of talented horses, as well as which competitors might have an edge, and how the hunters can continue to evolve, even after this ground breaking event. 

Baran Global Hunter Classic Founders, Kristen Baran and Andrew Lustig are on a mission to "revolutionize the hunter discipline by merging prestige, innovation and elite competition into a single unparalleled experience."

For more information, go to www.thebaran.org, and catch all the action LIVE on Clip My Horse. 

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Karen and Jen are on location in Raeford NC for the NCHJA Annual Horse Show and tracked down the legendary pony trainer, Robin Greenwood. If you're a pony rider who wants to move to the front of the model, put this episode at the top of your playlist. Robin gave us tips on turn out, bridle fit and more. Dual discipline pony rider, Brynn Garrett gave us a pony finals preview and explained some of the differences between her hunter ponies and her hackney ponies. And we caught up with Anna Tyler, winner of the 2025 EJ Haun Medal Finals. 

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Karen and Jen are on location in Raeford NC for the NCHJA Annual Horse Show. We've got the show day wrap up and so much more! USEF Judge Mike Rosser talks about some of his biggest pet peeves when he's officiating. Horse Show Manager and Course Designer Patrick Rodes discusses the many hats he wears, as well as the merits of more traditional style horse shows. And Karen caught up with Emily Grace Swinson, winner of the 2025 Bryan Jones Adult Medal Finals. 

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Karen and Jen are on location in Raeford North Carolina covering the 43rd Annual NCHJA Horse Show! We've got interviews with a couple of the big winners from Thursday and Friday; Bridget Hickton and Ashley Lovegrove! Karen assesses the hospitality tent and roasts the winners who dodged the pod. 

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Jen and Karen--an equestrian professional and her former client--tackle the complex emotions and practical steps involved when a rider leaves one barn for another. In this candid conversation, Jen opens up about the ego blow and sense of loss that can accompany losing a client, sharing insights into the professional side of these transitions. Meanwhile, Karen delves into the feelings of anxiety and guilt that often arise when deciding to part ways with a trainer. This episode will resonate with anyone who has lost a client or faced the internal struggle of knowing its time to move on while grappling with loyalty. Jen and Karen offer anecdotes as well as practical advice for navigating the often turbulent waters of barn breakups. 

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In this compelling episode, Karen and Jen sit down with TikTok activist Anna Propp, known as theinsidetrack.eq, to delve into her mission of raising awareness about horse welfare through her sometimes controversial videos. Anna shares her journey into activism, explaining how she became passionate about highlighting the inhumane practices in the equine industry while advocating for more humane methods. 

Anna discusses the challenges she faces, including the backlash directed at the professionals she features in her videos. As the episode unfolds, Anna identifies how some other content creators and their methods are hurting the movement. 

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In this powerful episode, Jen and Karen sit down with Andrew Ellis, an equestrian known for his roles as a horse show manager, announcer, and starter. Andrew shares his gripping story of resilience and recovery following a devastating riding accident at the age of 13 that not only changed the course of his life but also set him on a path of addiction.

As Andrew recounts his journey, he opens up about how the accident led to a long hospital stay and the emotional turmoil that followed, which he sought to cope with through food. For Andrew, food became his "gateway drug," leading to chronic pain, obesity, and a battle with pain pill addiction that spiraled into a full-blown crisis by the age of 40. Despite his struggles, Andrew's charisma and outlandish behavior made him popular in social settings, yet this façade masked a deeper pain and insecurity.

After hitting rock bottom, Andrew sought help, completing a 28-day rehabilitation program that marked the beginning of his ongoing journey to sobriety. Now, over a decade later, he remains committed to his recovery, attending AA meetings even after long days at horse shows. 

Join us as we delve into Andrew's inspiring story, exploring the unique challenges faced by those in the equestrian community who may be battling addiction in silence. We discuss the importance of awareness, support, and open dialogue, shedding light on how fellow equestrians can play a pivotal role in encouraging those in need to seek help. This episode is a heartfelt reminder that no one is alone in their struggles, and recovery is a journey worth taking.

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We don't think you'll find a more honest and informative discussion about what it takes to ride at the NCEA Division 1 level anywhere else!

Boo Major, three time NCEA National Championship winning coach of the University of South Carolina Gamecocks, SPILLS THE TEA about what coaches are looking for in riders' resumes, how lesser known riders can set themselves apart to earn a spot on an NCEA team, and FINALLY...the secret to getting your recruitment video noticed. If you or someone you know has NCEA aspirations...you're going to want to listen to this episode twice.

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Karen and Jen discuss the importance of setting S.M.A.R.T. goals and why open and honest dialogue between trainers and clients is crucial to achieving these goals. Karen and Jen offer some unique insights into their own discussions regarding budgets, time commitments and when and why to pivot when it comes to goals. Whether you are the parent to an equestrian kid, you are a rider yourself or even if you are a trainer, this episode is a must listen. 

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We take a deep dive into barn norms when it comes to VIP Tents, tack room tailgate parties and dinners out at horse shows. Katherine Robinson, former barn mom in Jen's barn and current lifestyle influencer, drops by the studio to weigh in. We hit all the burning topics including, what happens when not everyone buys into the barn culture, who pays the trainers' bill when the whole barn goes out to dinner, how tailgating might be the key to making equestrian sports mainstream and a whole lot more! Subscribe to The Scope Podcast on www.patreon.com for more exclusive content including a video tutorial for a horse show tailgate ready dip  and an easy floral arrangement that will accentuate every horse show setup.

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In September 2024, North Carolina Trainer Beverly Burnette lost a dear friend. A few weeks later, born from the tragedy, Kevin and Alex McKirahan gained a passion project that could change the lives of many USHJA members. This week, their hard work finally paid off as the USHJA announced that AllyHealth is now offered to members at every level for a significantly reduced price. Kevin joined Karen and Jen to discuss the inspiration for the project and the details of what will now be available through the USHJA.

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Andrew Ellis, horse show manager, paddock master and former member of the USEF Hearing Panel, talks about the strengths and weaknesses of the USEF rule violation system, the responsibility we all share to protect our equine partners and the integrity of our sport and how social media whistle blowers fit into the equation.

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Dan Austin discusses a typical workout week for the equestrian athletes he coaches, how he got into coaching equestrians, his experience in the saddle and how he helps his team tap into the athlete mindset. Whether you have NCEA aspirations or are just looking for some tips to get fit for the show ring, you don't want to miss this episode!

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Hunter Kay confirmed that he is one of the top young professional riders on the East Coast by clenching the High Score Developing Rider Award during WCHR Week at the Winter Equestrian Festival this year. Hunter joins Karen and Jen in the studio to discuss his fitness routine, how barn workouts could help riders stay motivated and why swimming might be his next sport. 

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Kristen Ziesmer, MS, RD, CSSD, LD, specializes in helping athletes reach their full potential with proper nutrition. She joins Karen and Jen to discuss macronutrients, hydration, and what to eat on show days, even if you're one of those people who says "I can't eat before I ride." Still wanting more after this episode? Tune into Kristen's show, Female Sports Nutrition Podcast or find her at elitenutritionandperformance.com

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Licensed clinical psychologist and author, Rhea Merck has worked with student athletes for over a decade. She joins Karen and Jen in the studio to discuss the techniques she has used over the years to help equestrians reach their full potential in the show ring. 

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Karen and Jen discuss a new USEF Rule that requires Licensed Hunter/Equitation Judges to have shown or trained a competitor at 3' for a 'r' rating and 3'6" for a 'R' rating. Is this inline with the judging criteria of other subjective sports? What impact could this rule have on the accessibility and fan appeal of the sport? Listen to find out what we think!

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Join Karen and Jen for an insightful episode that dives deep into the world of horse sales. With Jen drawing on her experience in selling and buying horses as well as opinions collected from other trainers, she sheds light on the common pitfalls and unprofessional behaviors that potential buyers often exhibit--like "kicking tires,' failing to follow up after a trial, or riding a horse for too long despite knowing it's not the right fit. 

Karen, bringing her perspective as a parent who has navigated the leasing and buying of multiple horses for her children, responds with her own list of do's and don'ts. Together they explore the nuances of buyer etiquette and share practical advice for making the horse buying experience smoother and more respectful for everyone involved. Tune in for a fun, informative discussion that promises to elevate your understanding of the equestrian marketplace. 

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Our first guest to the studio does not disappoint! Maria Falgione is a former NCAA Equestrian, stage and screen actress and professional jockey. She helped found Synutra Equine, maker of Synchill, and the sister company, Alexsyn, which has reworked some of Synutra's best selling products into human supplements. 

A true equestrian athlete, Falgione credits her former strength and conditioning coach, Pat Moorer, with helping establish the habits that have made her successful in sports and business.  

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Okay okay, we know we're a little late on this one, but we just had to discuss it...a real sports beef between equestrians Karl Cook and McLain Ward, that got keyboards clattering for a few weeks this winter. This heated debate got the whole hunter/jumper community talking, and of course, we have opinions. 

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Karen and Jen discuss what you need to get started with the Scope Workout; from apparel to equipment, and even some items you can find around the barn that will work in a pinch. 

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Karen and Jen discuss how often to work out and what you should be working on. You'll learn more about the Scope Workouts, including how they can be used on their own or as a supplement to an existing workout plan. 

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In this thought-provoking episode, Jen and Karen dive deep into the whirlwind of controversy sparked by Jen's recent statements. Last week, Jen suggested that trainers should have a say in their riders' attire for the show ring and the social media images they share. The commentary ignited a firestorm of reactions from listeners, many voicing concerns that Jen's views may contribute to the already overwhelming pressure to present a perfect image in the equestrian world. 

Using social media comments as a springboard, Jen and Karen explore the multifaceted reasons behind the intense pressure faced by riders. They dissect the the technical demands of the sport, the significant financial investment required, and the pervasive influence of social media in shaping perceptions. The discussion also addresses the unwritten rule that emotions should remain concealed in the competitive arena, leading to a culture that often prioritizes appearances over authenticity. 

Join Karen and Jen as they navigate these complex themes, offering insights and personal anecdotes that shed light on the challenges equestrians face today. Whether you are a rider, a parent, or simply an equestrian enthusiast, this episode will resonate with anyone grappling with the balancing act of passion, performance, and the pursuit of perfection in the world of horses. 

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Karen and Jen discuss the often overlooked role of clients in shaping a barn's brand. They explore the intricate relationship between branding and client expectations, from the necessity of custom tack trunks and horse clothes, to the financial contributions for horse show exhibitors parties. 

Tune in to hear how a rider's attire in the show ring not only reflects personal style but also serves as a visual extension of the barns brand. The conversation highlights the importance of social media in today's equestrian world and how adhering to a barn's full service or DIY culture is an important part of communicating the brand. 

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In this enlightening episode Jen and Karen welcome a special guest; Luke Tanner, Karen's son. As one of the few boys in a sport traditionally dominated by females at the amateur level, Luke shares his unique perspective on the equestrian community.

Join the conversation as they explore Luke's experiences competing in horse shows, where he enjoyed a warm reception free from typical body comparisons and mean-spirited rivalry. Luke found himself frequently recognized with sportsmanship awards, a distinction that sparked discussions about gender dynamics in competitive environments. 

Together, they delve into the contrasts between male and female behaviors in the equestrian world, shedding light on how camaraderie and competition intersect. Tune in for an insightful dialogue that celebrates inclusivity and challenges stereotypes in the sport of horseback riding. 

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When you think NCEA/NCAA Equestrian, powerhouse teams such as Georgia, SMU, Auburn and the University of South Carolina probably spring to mind. But it was actually the College of Charleston that brought an NCEA Trophy back to South Carolina in 2025. Led by Head Coach, Natasha "Tash" Vitkovic, and Assistant Coach, Hope King, the Cougars clenched the NCEA Single Discipline National Championship Runner Up Title. 

Single discipline teams compete in just NCEA Jumping Seat and do not field a Western Team. Generally favored by smaller schools, single discipline teams can be stand alone or run alongside an IHSA Program, as is the case at the College of Charleston. 

In this episode, Karen and Jen sit down with Tash to discuss the recruiting process at The College of Charleston, how one team competes in two formats, and some of the advantages of a single discipline program. 

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In this episode, Karen and Jen tackle the contentious issue of class limits within USEF Hunter Jumper competitions. The hosts reference articles from The Plaid Horse Magazine by Robin Greenwood and Nina Thornton, and draw on their own experiences. 

As the hosts explore the pros and cons of class limits, the conversation flows into multiple scenarios that demonstrate just how complex this issue is. They discuss everything from accessibility, enforcement issues, and of course, horse welfare. 

Tune in for a spirited episode that's sure to spark even more conversation in the equestrian community

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Certified Athletic Trainer, Tamara Harris discusses her role with The University of South Carolina Equestrian Team--from treating minor pains and strains and mixing the Gatorade "just right," to handling 911 calls in the event of an emergency. Tamara also offers up advice on what barns should include in their own emergency plans, and the medical supplies that no barn should be without.  

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Join Karen and Jen as they dive into the complexities of balancing client needs with the demands of life on the road. In this insightful episode, they explore the challenges faced by busy trainers who are frequently away at horse shows, leaving some clients behind. 

What happens when a trainer can't be there for every lesson? Should they find a substitute instructor to step in, and if so, how should pricing be handled? Jen and Karen discuss the expectations of clients left at home, the pressures trainers face upon returning, and the delicate balance of maintaining relationships while ensuring all clients feel valued. 

Is patience a virtue, or should clients consider seeking out another trainer if they feel neglected? Tune in as they navigate these tough questions, share personal stories, and offer practical advice for both trainers and clients in the equestrian world. Whether you're a trainer juggling multiple commitments or a client feeling the weight of waiting, this episode is packed with insights to help you find your way forward.

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Karen and Jen discuss the USHJA Trainer Certification Program and explore why it hasn't gained traction. They delve into the reluctance of well-known equestrian professionals to embrace the certification and suggest ways to encourage lifelong professionals to take the certification test and lead live teaching sessions. 

Karen, who is both a certified personal trainer and a certified athletic trainer, highlights the fact that these professions require not only certification but continuing education, raising the question of why the same standards shouldn't apply to horse trainers. The hosts emphasize the potential benefits of promoting certified trainers to the general public, especially for those seeking their first horse trainers. 

They draw comparisons with licensing requirements in Massachusetts for horse trainers and in the broader context of cosmetology licenses across the states. While acknowledging that certification may not eliminate poor training practices, they argue that it can significantly uplift the professionalism and the reputation of horse trainers in the industry. 

Tune in for thought provoking conversation that challenges the status quo and discusses practical steps to enhance credibility within the equestrian community. 

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Join hosts Jen, a lifelong equestrian professional and rider, and Karen, a dedicated parent of an equestrian trained by Jen, as they dive into an essential conversation about accessibility in horse sports. In this episode, Jen presents a **five-prong plan** designed to open the doors of equestrian sports to new riders without the immediate pressure of purchasing or leasing a horse.

Jen breaks down each point of their plan, focusing on the importance of preserving lesson barns, riding schools, and beginner programs that serve as vital entry points for aspiring equestrians. Karen adds her perspective as a parent, evaluating the viability and impact of each proposal.

**Key Points Discussed:**

1. **Normalizing Higher Prices:** Understanding the need for higher lesson prices at riding schools and lesson barns that use school horses, ensuring these programs can thrive and continue to provide access.
   
2. **Eliminating Low-Level Classes at High-Level Shows:** Aiming to encourage beginners to support foundational programs by removing low-level classes from high level horse shows.

3. **Investment by Top-Tier Barns:** Advocating for top-tier equestrian facilities to invest in developing their own lesson programs, creating a sustainable model for training new riders.

4. **Collaboration Between Programs:** Encouraging partnerships between elite barns and smaller foundational programs to create a funnel system that guides new riders through their equestrian journey.

5. **Tiered Certification System for Trainers:** Introducing a certification system that helps trainers specialize in different levels and aids new riders and parents in identifying suitable barns for their needs.

Tune in for an enlightening discussion that not only highlights the challenges faced by new riders but also offers actionable solutions to make equestrian sports more inclusive and welcoming. Whether you're a seasoned rider, a parent, or someone interested in the equestrian world, this episode is packed with insights you won't want to miss! 

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