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You prayed for clarity, but what you needed was courage.
In Episode 2 of the POP Podcast, Mike and Charles sit down to talk about the showdown every leader eventually faces: when comfort and calling collide.

In this episode:

• Why discomfort is the tool God uses to develop you
• The "manufactured pressure" you create that isn't actually your calling
• Mike's drum pillow story
• The Stephen Furtick call and the Marked merchandise disaster
• The Land Rover confession
• Why Charles walked away from his own church plant
• Crying in the DSW shoe section
• What it actually means to be disciplined, and how it makes you a disciple
• The difference between needing clarity and needing courage

Mentioned in this episode: Mike's sermon "Cuffed to Comfort."
We believe in Progression Over Perfection. Through theology, therapy, and community, God can turn trauma into triumph.
New episodes every Friday.
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The picture of perfect we had is because people never showed us their progress.
Welcome to Episode 1 of the POP Podcast, the inaugural conversation between Mike and Charles, 3 years in the making. In this opener, they unpack why perfectionism is the silent killer of your purpose, and why the path forward is progression, not performance.

In this episode:

• Why perfection is expensive but progression is free
• The labels you accept that become your limits
• How comparison silently kills your progression
• The Bella science test story
• What your spouse would say you need to progress in
• The Theology + Therapy + Community framework that anchors this whole season
• Why your obedience to God matters more than anyone's opinion

If you've been carrying the weight of trying to be perfect, this is your permission to progress. We believe in Progression Over Perfection. Through theology, therapy, and community, God can turn trauma into triumph. New episodes every Friday.

Follow the show:
Instagram: @TheOfficialPOPpodcast
TikTok: @TheOfficialPOPpodcast
YouTube: youtube.com/@poppodcast
Follow the hosts: Mike: @iammiketodd Charles: @charlesmetcalf