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The Persuasion Game

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Frequency: 1 episode/17d. Total Eps: 43

The Persuasion Game is a podcast about the marketing strategies, consumer insights and big ideas driving today's most interesting brands. Each episode, hosts Laura Halliday and Adam Rowles go behind the scenes with marketers and business leaders to unpack the brand, growth and category strategies shaping how companies connect with consumers and win in the modern age.

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Growth through effective brand building, with Andrew Geoghegan, Experienced Global CMO and Author

Season 1 · Episode 42

Tuesday, September 1, 2026 • Duration 31:50

“In organisations where everybody sees themselves as a brand-builder and has a role to play, my experience is, it leads to dramatically different outcomes.” In this episode of The Persuasion Game podcast, Adam is joined by Andrew Geoghegan, an experienced global CMO whose career spans nearly two decades at Diageo as well as senior roles at PepsiCo, William Grant & Sons, and PZ Cussons. Andrew makes the case that brand building can be an engine for growth in an era of transformative times that we are living in. We explore what it really means for everyone in an organisation to be a brand builder, why marketing should champion the process rather than own it, and his view on why some brand building exercises fail. He also shares his perspective on the current state of marketing capability, and why leading with humility is the key to success. Andrew's work on marketing effectiveness won him a Gold at the IPA Effectiveness Awards, and he has now distilled everything he knows into a book: “Effective Brand Building”. CHAPTERS: (00:00) Introduction (03:07) Organisational Alignment Matters (11:53) Everyone Builds Brands (17:02) Capability Training Gaps (22:29) Leadership In Chaos (28:28) Strategy As a Blueprint

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Leadership in transformative times, with Eleanor Lloyd Malcolm, Chief Growth Officer, Forge

Season 4 · Episode 41

Tuesday, August 4, 2026 • Duration 22:21

“Brilliant leadership is acknowledging that you don't have all the answers, and the answers can come from anywhere and anyone.” In this episode of The Persuasion Game, Adam is once again joined by Elleanor Lloyd Malcolm, Forge’s Chief Growth Officer, to reflect further on the panel she hosted in Cannes about growth in transformative times. This time the focus is on leadership. What does it actually take to lead a brand through transformation, and how are some of the world's most ambitious marketing leaders showing up to do it? We hear from three exceptional leaders: Kathryn Swallow, Head of OTC at Haleon, Nicole German, Global CMO, Corporate & Institutional Banking at HSBC, and friend of the podcast Nathalia Amadeu, Global Brand Director for Vaseline at Unilever. They explore how the CMO role is evolving, how to go about building the marketing function’s credibility inside a business, and how surrendering control, and navigating ambiguity with confidence, can lead to exceptional results. This is part two of The Persuasion Game's Cannes special. If you haven't heard part one yet, you can find it by searching for ‘The Persuasion Game’ wherever you get your podcasts. Follow us on LinkedIn for updates. Subscribe to The Persuasion Game Newsletter on LinkedIn. Want to know more about us? Visit our website here This is an 18Sixty production for Forge. CHAPTERS: (00:00) Introduction (04:51) From CMO to CGO (08:48) Authenticity Builds Trust (15:52) Leading Through Change (19:46) Female Leadership Reflections

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Growing brands in transformative times

Season 1 · Episode 40

Tuesday, July 14, 2026 • Duration 29:33

“There is a new normal of pace and agility. Businesses are having to shift how they set themselves up to win in this very fast-moving world.” In this episode of The Persuasion Game podcast, Adam is joined by Eleanor Lloyd Malcolm, Forge’s Chief Growth Officer, to reflect on the panel she hosted in Cannes about growth in transformative times. We hear from three exceptional leaders: Kathryn Swallow, Head of OTC at Haleon, Nicole German, Global CMO, Corporate & Institutional Banking at HSBC, and friend of the podcast Nathalia Amadeu, Global Brand Director for Vaseline at Unilever. We tackle four themes under the banner of creating value in transformative times: why the fundamentals matter more than ever, how to create genuine consumer relevance beyond category convention, the shift from brand ownership to stewardship, and why the kind of cultural and consumer intimacy that truly drives competitive advantage is something no AI can replicate. This is part one or our reflections - part two, covering leadership in transformative times, is coming soon. Follow us on LinkedIn for updates. Subscribe to The Persuasion Game Newsletter on LinkedIn. Want to know more about us? Visit our website here This is an 18Sixty production for Forge. CHAPTERS: (00:00) Introduction (05:46) Building Resilience (11:07) Creating Consumer Relevance (14:14) Differentiation Beyond Table Stakes (16:17) Stewardship Not Ownership (24:03) Global Ideas Local Heart

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Rethinking how you measure demand, with Karl Miley, Co-Founder, Forge

Season 1 · Episode 39

Tuesday, June 2, 2026 • Duration 44:35

"Most organisations don't need more data. What they need is a wider, more dynamic view of where demand is forming. And they need to be looking in the right places to find it." In this episode of The Persuasion Game podcast, we're joined by Karl Miley, co-founder of Forge and leader of its Dynamic Demand practice. Karl has spent years helping some of the world's biggest brands understand where consumer demand is heading, and why so many of them are looking in the wrong direction. This episode is about why brand confidence in decision-making has never felt lower, how static demand frameworks are partly to blame, and why a new approach is needed. Karl takes us through four forces reshaping demand: cultural and behavioural shifts, the arrival of new entrants, technology-driven changes in discovery and behaviour, and macro shocks that rewrite consumer priorities overnight. If you work in identifying demand spaces, this episode isn’t to be missed. Follow us on LinkedIn for updates. Subscribe to The Persuasion Game Newsletter on LinkedIn. Want to know more about us? Visit our website here This is an 18Sixty production for Forge. CHAPTERS: (00:00) Introduction (03:41) Signals Beyond Trackers (10:06) Stanley And Diet Coke (17:08) Spotting Early Signals (25:53) Olipop (39:50) Best Practice Dynamic System

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Why brand transparency isn’t enough anymore, with David Cousino, Insight Expert

Season 1 · Episode 38

Tuesday, May 5, 2026 • Duration 26:00

“Transparency builds credibility. Hyper-transparency builds trust.” As Gen Z continue their inevitable march towards being the dominant economic power, the way brands market themselves is going to have to shift dramatically. As David Cousino puts it, for them “ transparency directly influences where they're going to spend. If companies don't get their head around this cohort, they're going to be in for a really rough couple of decades.” In this episode, David explains what is meant by hyper-transparency, why honesty increasingly beats perfection, and the crucial role insights teams have to play as we move into this new era. David is Global Head of Business Intelligence and Insight at James Hardie, and has previously held senior roles at AB InBev and Unilever. This topic isn’t one that can be kicked into the long grass any longer, it’s forecast Gen Z will surpass millennials in terms of spending power in less than a decade. Follow us on LinkedIn for updates. Subscribe to The Persuasion Game Newsletter on LinkedIn. Want to know more about us? Visit our website here This is an 18Sixty production for The Forge. CHAPTERS: (00:00) Introduction (03:23) Tech and Gen Z Shift (06:37) New Front Lines of Trust (13:38) Crisis Transparency Playbook (20:26) Insights Teams as Radar

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How creators unlocked growth for Vaseline, with Nathalia Amadeu, Unilever

Season 1 · Episode 37

Tuesday, April 14, 2026 • Duration 41:56

“Relevance builds brands. Control just increases the risk of irrelevance.” In this episode of The Persuasion Game, we’re joined by Nathalia Amadeu, Global Brand Director at Vaseline, to explore how the 150-year-old brand is reinventing itself in the social-first era. It centres on the hugely successful Vaseline Verified campaign (winner of nine awards at the Cannes International Festival of Creativity, including a Titanium Lion). A campaign which, as Nathalia puts it - “challenged decades of brand control thinking.” With millions of people already sharing their own ways of using the product, instead of leading the conversation, Vaseline chose to listen. The result is a new model of brand building - one that validates, amplifies and co-creates with its community. That shift in approach is not just a campaign idea, it is also reshaping innovation, with new products, co-built with creators, in production. This is an inspiring, must-listen for anyone looking to grow a brand in a completely new way. Follow us on LinkedIn for updates. Subscribe to The Persuasion Game Newsletter on LinkedIn. Want to know more about us? Visit our website here: forgemsq.com This is an 18Sixty production for Forge. CHAPTERS: (00:00) Introduction (04:46) Stewardship Over Ownership (08:12) From Campaign To Products (20:19) Faster Feedback Loops (26:27) Eyebrow Hack Becomes Product (37:21) Principles For Participation

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What children can teach us about creativity and marketing, with Sarah Horowitz, Crayola

Tuesday, March 10, 2026 • Duration 27:20

“The biggest thing that children show me is that there are no limits to what we can do.” In this episode of The Persuasion Game podcast, we’re taking inspiration from the creativity of children. Our guest is Sarah Horowitz, Marketing Director for the UK and Northern Europe at Crayola. Crayola is an incredibly well-established brand, and has been relevant in homes and schools for more than a century. We discuss how it’s maintaining and growing that position in a fast-changing world, how it puts creativity at the centre of everything it does, and the lessons all marketers can learn from the way children use its products. Episodes are released bi-weekly. Follow us on LinkedIn for updates. Subscribe to The Persuasion Game Newsletter on LinkedIn. Want to know more about us? Visit our website here: https://forgemsq.com This is an 18Sixty production for Forge and MSQ. CHAPTERS: (00:00) Introduction (03:21) The Role of Adults in Children's Creativity (10:42) Understanding Gen Z and Gen Alpha (16:51) Creativity Across All Ages (26:23) Embracing a Child's Perspective

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The view from the C-Suite: inside PepsiCo’s insights revolution, with Stephan Gans

Season 1 · Episode 35

Tuesday, February 3, 2026 • Duration 31:13

“You need an insights function that is really focused on being a catalyst for growth in an end-to-end way.” For many years, the insights industry has desired a ‘seat at the top table’, influencing decisions at the most senior levels of their organisations. There are few insights professionals as senior and influential to their businesses as our guest on this episode, Stephan Gans, Senior Vice President of Insights and Analytics at PepsiCo. Stephan shares the steps PepsiCo’s insights team has taken to move from order-taking to being a true catalyst for business growth, why our thirst for insights has never been greater, and the three critical roles he says insights teams must play in any future business. We also talk about the skills that will be most valuable in the future as we enable our insights functions with AI. This is a must-listen for anyone working in insights. Episodes are released bi-weekly. Follow us on LinkedIn for updates. Subscribe to The Persuasion Game Newsletter on LinkedIn. Want to know more about us? Visit our website here: thisistheforge.com This is an 18Sixty production for The Forge. CHAPTERS: (00:00) Introduction (04:13) A Unified Approach (07:55) Balancing Short-term and Long-term Goals (14:12) The Role of AI in Insights (19:42) Future Skills for Insights Professionals

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Our take on marketing, strategy and insights in 2026

Season 1 · Episode 34

Tuesday, January 20, 2026 • Duration 27:16

The tables have been turned in this episode of The Persuasion Game podcast, as Adam and Laura get a taste of their own medicine in the hot seat. Izzie Macdonald, Global Cultural Insights Capability Lead at PepsiCo, takes on the role of host. Izzie has years of research and insights experience at Touchstone Partners and with almost a decade under her belt at Pepsi. Adam and Laura give their views on where marketing, strategy and insights might be heading in 2026, and the adaptations that will be needed to get us there. They also reveal their New Year resolutions, both professional and personal, for the year ahead. Episodes are released bi-weekly. Follow us on LinkedIn for updates. Subscribe to The Persuasion Game Newsletter on LinkedIn. Want to know more about us? Visit our website here: thisistheforge.com This is an 18Sixty production for The Forge. CHAPTERS: (00:00) Introduction (02:08) Career Journeys in Marketing and Strategy (09:27) The Future of Agency Models (15:48) The Role of AI in Innovation (23:26) Importance of Context in Client Partnerships

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Why ambition will help us be better marketers in 2026, with Sophie Devonshire, CEO, The Marketing Society

Season 1 · Episode 33

Tuesday, January 6, 2026 • Duration 29:14

Ambition is the watchword for The Marketing Society in 2026: “Ambition for our businesses, our careers and our country.” In this episode of The Persuasion Game podcast, we welcome Sophie Devonshire, CEO of The Marketing Society, for a conversation not to be missed by anyone working in marketing who has ambitions for a great year in 2026. We discuss the growing role of CMOs, why leading marketing teams is more like rugby than football, and why we all need to make more time for learning. Sophie also shares her views on why personal ambition isn’t about “killing yourself at work”, but should focus on how it fits in with the rest of your life goals. Sophie spent years working in marketing roles at Procter & Gamble, Coca Cola and agency side, before becoming a CEO and published author. Reading list: “Superfast, Lead at Speed” by Sophie Devonshire https://www.amazon.co.uk/Superfast-Lead-speed-Sophie-Devonshire/dp/1473661862 “Drive” by Dan Pink https://www.amazon.co.uk/Drive-Daniel-H-Pink/dp/184767769X “It's Not How Good You Are, It's How Good You Want to Be” by Paul Arden https://www.amazon.co.uk/Its-Not-How-Good-Want/dp/0714843377 "The Whole Marketer" by Abby Dixon https://www.amazon.co.uk/Whole-Marketer-successful-fulfilled-marketer/dp/1911671057 CHAPTERS: (00:00) Introduction (01:01) Defining Ambition for 2026 (04:13) Global Perspectives on Ambition (09:57) Building Ambitious Foundations (14:20) The Role of Technology and Human Connection

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