The New Evangelicals Podcast invites you into bold, thought-provoking conversations at the intersection of faith, politics, and justice. Each week our host, Tim Whitaker, speaks with pastors, theologians, scholars, and cultural leaders who are challenging the status quo, confronting Christian Nationalism, and imagining a more inclusive and just world.
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In this episode, Tim Whitaker engages in an insightful interview with Brian Recker about his book 'Hellbent' and explores the concept of hell, deconstruction, and the future of Christianity. They discuss how traditional views of hell have shaped theology and how a more love-centered approach can transform faith and justice.
Order Brian's Book | Hellbent
Chapters
05:02 Hell as a metaphor for systemic evil
15:09 The role of metaphor and story in spirituality
25:12 The systemic roots of Christian supremacy
35:08 Practical steps toward justice and love
39:48 Closing thoughts and resources
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TNE Podcast hosts thought-provoking conversations at the intersection of faith, politics, and justice. We’re part of the New Evangelical’s 501c3 nonprofit that rejects Christian Nationalism and builds a better path forward, rooted in Jesus and centered on justice. If you'd like to support our work or get involved, visit our website: www.thenewevangelicals.com
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439. Composting White Supremacy
Season 1 · Episode 439
Monday, July 20, 2026 • Duration 01:06:45
In this episode, Tim Whitaker engages in an insightful interview with Ciarra Jones, also known as the Gardening Theologian, about her journey through faith, theology, and activism. They explore themes of white supremacy, deconstruction, queer theology, and the intersection of faith and social justice.
Ciarra's Website | Ciarrajonesconsulting.com
Chapters
05:38 Discussing white supremacy and American history in theology
11:08 Higher education and deconstruction of fundamentalist beliefs
15:27 Queer sexuality and faith reconciliation
20:02 The impact of family and community on faith and identity
43:31 The power of embodiment and marginalized voices in faith
54:53 The role of biblical interpretation and social consensus
01:01:33 Closing remarks and where to find Sierra Jones
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TNE Podcast hosts thought-provoking conversations at the intersection of faith, politics, and justice. We’re part of the New Evangelical’s 501c3 nonprofit that rejects Christian Nationalism and builds a better path forward, rooted in Jesus and centered on justice. If you'd like to support our work or get involved, visit our website: www.thenewevangelicals.com
Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals
Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals
This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | Joshgilbertmedia.com
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438. Fundamentalism Taught Me to Obey. Progressive Faith Taught Me to Love
Season 1 · Episode 438
Monday, July 13, 2026 • Duration 56:03
In this episode, Tim Whitaker engages in an insightful interview with Rev. Rachel Kessler, aka the Nerdy Priest, shares her journey from evangelical roots to Anglican priesthood, her work advocating for Palestine, and insights into deconstruction, faith, and social justice. A compelling conversation for anyone exploring faith beyond traditional boundaries.
Rachel's Book | Nerd Faith
The Nerdy Priest
Chapters
02:08 Rachel's Background and Deconstruction Journey
08:35 Why Stay in the House of Faith?
15:06 Memorization vs. Understanding the Fruits of the Spirit
28:11 Deconstructing End Times and Christian Nationalism
44:09 The 2016 Election and Faith Perspectives
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TNE Podcast hosts thought-provoking conversations at the intersection of faith, politics, and justice. We’re part of the New Evangelical’s 501c3 nonprofit that rejects Christian Nationalism and builds a better path forward, rooted in Jesus and centered on justice. If you'd like to support our work or get involved, visit our website: www.thenewevangelicals.com
Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals
Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals
This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | Joshgilbertmedia.com
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437. Pastor by Day. Influencer by Night
Season 1 · Episode 437
Monday, July 6, 2026 • Duration 53:23
In this episode, Tim Whitaker engages in an insightful interview with Rev. Gerlyn Henry who shares her journey into ministry, her experience as a woman of color in the church, and how she leverages social media to expand her impact. We explore the challenges and opportunities of online faith leadership, the influence of social media algorithms, and the future of church engagement.
Rev. Gerlyn Henry on Instagram | @gerlynhenry
Chapters
02:00 The Journey into Ministry and Content Creation
10:03 The Evolution of Online Presence and Public Theology
20:02 The Impact of Metrics on Self-Worth
27:17 The Complexity of Content Creation
32:51 The Importance of Community and Connection
40:16 Merging Modern Worship with Tradition
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TNE Podcast hosts thought-provoking conversations at the intersection of faith, politics, and justice. We’re part of the New Evangelical’s 501c3 nonprofit that rejects Christian Nationalism and builds a better path forward, rooted in Jesus and centered on justice. If you'd like to support our work or get involved, visit our website: www.thenewevangelicals.com
Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals
Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals
This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | Joshgilbertmedia.com
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436. The Cost of Being Queer in the Church and How to Heal
Season 1 · Episode 436
Monday, June 29, 2026 • Duration 59:42
In this episode, Tim Whitaker engages in an insightful interview with psychotherapist Justin Oberste, who shares insights on deconstructing faith, LGBTQ+ affirming therapy, and innovative approaches like ketamine-assisted psychotherapy for healing trauma. A deep dive into navigating faith, sexuality, and mental health.
Justin's Website | Justinoberste.com
Chapters
02:24 Justin's background in LGBTQ+ affirmative therapy
15:16 Leaving fundamentalist environments and family safety
20:40 Navigating community, rejection, and finding belonging
50:35 Integrating protector parts and emotional release
54:39 Justin’s work and how to connect with him
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TNE Podcast hosts thought-provoking conversations at the intersection of faith, politics, and justice. We’re part of the New Evangelical’s 501c3 nonprofit that rejects Christian Nationalism and builds a better path forward, rooted in Jesus and centered on justice. If you'd like to support our work or get involved, visit our website: www.thenewevangelicals.com
Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals
Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals
This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | Joshgilbertmedia.com
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435. Queering History
Season 1 · Episode 435
Monday, June 22, 2026 • Duration 55:54
In this episode, Tim Whitaker engages in an insightful interview with Dr. Peter Carlson who shares their journey as a medievalist studying gender and queer history, challenging traditional views on marriage, gender, and biblical stories.
Dr. Peter Carlson's Faculty Page
Chapters
08:12 Exploring Gender and Marriage in the Medieval Period
19:58 Queer History vs. Gay History
20:54 The Role of Myth in Understanding Truth
26:23 Exploring Genesis: Chaos, Order, and Creation
29:34 Queering the Creation Narrative
42:32 The Queer Lectionary Project
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TNE Podcast hosts thought-provoking conversations at the intersection of faith, politics, and justice. We’re part of the New Evangelical’s 501c3 nonprofit that rejects Christian Nationalism and builds a better path forward, rooted in Jesus and centered on justice. If you'd like to support our work or get involved, visit our website: www.thenewevangelicals.com
Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals
Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals
This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | Joshgilbertmedia.com
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434. Discovering Better Logics in a Binary World
Season 1 · Episode 434
Monday, June 15, 2026 • Duration 50:12
In this episode, Tim Whitaker engages in an insightful interview with Dr. Tamice Spencer-Helms about their journey through faith, race, sexuality, and spirituality. They explore the intersections of whiteness, queerness, blackness, and the kingdom of God, challenging traditional narratives and advocating for a radical, love-centered faith.
Dr. Tamice's Website | Blackmodernmystic.com
Chapters
01:26 Journey of Faith Reconstruction
06:03 Intersectionality of Identity
17:55 The Nature of Power and Love
30:16 Navigating Whiteness and Competition
43:39 Living in Trust and Abundance
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TNE Podcast hosts thought-provoking conversations at the intersection of faith, politics, and justice. We’re part of the New Evangelical’s 501c3 nonprofit that rejects Christian Nationalism and builds a better path forward, rooted in Jesus and centered on justice. If you'd like to support our work or get involved, visit our website: www.thenewevangelicals.com
Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals
Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals
This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | Joshgilbertmedia.com
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433. I Risked My Marriage to Come Out as Trans
Season 1 · Episode 433
Monday, June 8, 2026 • Duration 58:31
In this episode, Tim Whitaker engages in an insightful interview with Billie Hoard shares her journey as a trans woman, her faith, and her perspective on Pride Month amidst current social and political challenges. The conversation explores themes of identity, faith, activism, and resilience, offering a nuanced view of the queer experience within faith communities.
Billie on Substack | Billieiswriting.substack.com
Chapters
05:06 The Spectrum of Pride: Celebration vs. Rage
18:15 The Personal Journey of Activism
24:00 Faith and Identity: A Trans Woman's Theology
31:15 Understanding Gender Identity and Personal Journey
49:50 The Importance of Therapy and Open Communication
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TNE Podcast hosts thought-provoking conversations at the intersection of faith, politics, and justice. We’re part of the New Evangelical’s 501c3 nonprofit that rejects Christian Nationalism and builds a better path forward, rooted in Jesus and centered on justice. If you'd like to support our work or get involved, visit our website: www.thenewevangelicals.com
Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals
Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals
This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | Joshgilbertmedia.com
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432. Christian Anarchy and Gender. How to Create a More Beautiful World
Season 1 · Episode 432
Monday, June 1, 2026 • Duration 54:53
In this episode, Tim Whitaker engages in an insightful interview with Dr. Mae Forrest Barnes. She reveals how questioning hierarchy and coercive power can ignite transformative social change—fueling movements that build community from the ground up.
Mae's Substack | Maeforrestbarnes.substack.com
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TNE Podcast hosts thought-provoking conversations at the intersection of faith, politics, and justice. We’re part of the New Evangelical’s 501c3 nonprofit that rejects Christian Nationalism and builds a better path forward, rooted in Jesus and centered on justice. If you'd like to support our work or get involved, visit our website: www.thenewevangelicals.com
Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals
Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals
This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | Joshgilbertmedia.com
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431. The Psychology of Play and Why it Matters
Season 1 · Episode 431
Monday, May 25, 2026 • Duration 50:20
In this episode, Tim Whitaker engages in an insightful interview with Paul Hoard. Together they explore the profound importance of play for adults, its psychological roots, and how it fosters joy, creativity, and community. This conversation challenges societal norms about maturity and highlights play as a vital tool for mental health and resistance.
Chapters
03:09 Understanding Play: A Psychological Perspective
08:54 Societal Views on Play and Adult Engagement
14:54 The Chase: Motivation and Meaning in Play
17:48 Subjective vs. Objective Value in Games
30:46 The Power of Joy in Community
46:39 Joy as a Path to Thriving
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TNE Podcast hosts thought-provoking conversations at the intersection of faith, politics, and justice. We’re part of the New Evangelical’s 501c3 nonprofit that rejects Christian Nationalism and builds a better path forward, rooted in Jesus and centered on justice. If you'd like to support our work or get involved, visit our website: www.thenewevangelicals.com
Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals
Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals
This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | Joshgilbertmedia.com
Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices