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Episode 37: Making it Easy to Comply with Biodiversity Net Gain with Jack Sherborn Hoare, Founder of ReVerte 11 Sep 202600:46:48

On this episode host Jonathan Withey speaks with Jack Sherborn Hoare, founder of RevVerte, a platform where developers list biodiversity net gain (BNG) requirements and habitat banks submit quotes in one place. Jack shares his farming and land management background, how he moved from regenerative agriculture into BNG, and why Revert aims to build market infrastructure rather than act as a broker, combining an online marketplace with human support and exploring an assurance scheme. The conversation covers BNG market growth and challenges, including LPA inconsistency, the mitigation hierarchy, on-site vs off-site delivery, spatial risk multipliers, and risks of double counting in voluntary nature markets. Jack also shares early pricing insights, citing an average transacted unit price of about £21,300, with variability by habitat and location.

00:00 Welcome and Episode Intro
00:34 Travel and Family Update
01:19 Shingles and Recovery
02:24 Naturethrive BNG Projects
04:10 Introducing Jack and Revert
05:37 Meeting Jack in Bedfordshire
06:39 Jack’s Farming Background
07:30 From Carbon to BNG Opportunity
10:22 Why Developers Needed Help
11:54 Building BNG Market Infrastructure
14:23 Why Nature Needs a Price
17:17 On-Site vs Off-Site Debate
20:05 LPA Inconsistency Challenges
23:50 Revert Platform Elevator Pitch
25:51 Developer Needs Posted
26:31 Internal Deal Screening
27:06 Quotes Plus Human Support
29:04 Revert Special Sauce
29:46 Assurance Scheme Vision
31:12 Voluntary Credits Register
34:07 Market Size And Pricing
36:27 Pricing Drivers And Deals
40:37 Nature Memories Segment
45:19 Final Wrap And Outro

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Episode 36: Cities are Living Ecosystems with Tom Butterworth, Fellow, Director and Nature Lead at Arup13 Aug 202600:40:39

On this episode Jonathan has a conversation with Tom Butterworth, Fellow Director and Nature Lead at Arup, at Arup’s Goodge Street office. Tom shares his career path from studying ecology and volunteering at the Natural History Museum to working on nature reserves, conservation coordination, Natural England, and consultancy, including biodiversity net gain and natural capital. The conversation focuses on cities as living ecosystems and why urban design must account for water, species movement, air and climate, highlighting urban heat island impacts, flooding risks, and the multiple benefits of green infrastructure and sustainable urban drainage. They discuss equity of access to green space, growing demand for ecology roles, the need for diversity of views, and examples of nature engagement, ending with Tom’s first, best, and worst experiences in nature.

00:00 Welcome Back and Road Trip
01:30 Meet Tom at Arup
03:43 Tom’s Career Journey
05:44 Nature Careers Then and Now
10:18 Cities as Ecosystems
15:25 Heat Islands and Cooling
16:49 Spongy Cities and Flooding
24:17 Funding and Stakeholder Buy In
31:34 First Best Worst in Nature
35:22 Awe Forests and Living Cities
39:07 Wrap Up Key Takeaways

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Episode 35: Why Nature Restoration is about People with Bruce Howard, Director of the Ecosystems Knowledge Network16 Jun 202600:49:43

On this episode host Jonathan Withey takes a walk across Port Meadow in Oxford with Bruce Howard, head of the Ecosystems Knowledge Network (EKN), discussing Bruce’s shift from mining and pollution management to nature restoration and knowledge sharing. They explain EKN’s origins in the UK Government’s 2011 white paper, its transition to an independent charity in 2015, and its UK-wide membership of around 4,000 spanning environment professionals and other sectors. The conversation covers why language matters when discussing “nature” versus “environment,” how EKN facilitates collaboration through events, webinars, communications, and signposting, and why business is increasingly investing in nature recovery, including examples involving Aviva, Network Rail, and peatland finance. Bruce also shares first, best, and worst experiences in nature, including time in Australia, the Amazon, and Greenland. Jonathan announces a short pause in episodes while traveling in Canada.

00:00 Welcome and Episode Setup
03:49 Meet Bruce at Port Meadow
05:21 Bruce Career Turning Point
08:18 Nature Versus Environment
12:11 What EKN Does
15:28 Membership and Collaboration Tools
21:14 Business Steps Into Nature
26:40 Partnerships and People First
31:13 First Best Worst Nature Stories
41:39 Nature Finance and Carbon Codes
47:37 Wrap Up and Podcast Pause

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Episode 34: Nature is Critical Infrastructure with Lesley Wilson, Policy & Engagement Lead on Biodiversity and Natural Capital at ISEP01 Jun 202600:48:54

In this episode host Jonathan Withey speaks with Lesley Wilson, policy and engagement lead at ISEP (formerly IEMA), about business, biodiversity, and natural capital. They discuss ISEP’s role as a global membership body, its biodiversity and natural capital network, and how member insights inform policy and consultations. Lesley explains IPBES as a science-policy platform similar to the IPCC, how its assessments inform the Convention on Biological Diversity, and why the Manchester plenary and side events were notable, including IPBES’s first business-and-biodiversity assessment. They explore ISEP’s paper “Nature is Critical Infrastructure,” linking natural capital to UK GDP and planning, and cover how companies can measure nature impacts using tools like TNFD and other frameworks, along with personal reflections on experiences in nature.

00:00 Welcome and Guest Intro
01:32 Host Updates on BNG
02:49 Episode Topics Preview
04:32 Meet Lesley at ISEP
05:50 Lesley Career Journey
08:02 ISEP History and Growth
09:22 Why Membership Matters
12:28 Sustainability Roles Debate
13:49 What Is IPBES
19:18 How IPBES Links to CBD
20:44 Business Engagement at IPBES
22:47 Nature as Critical Infrastructure
25:55 Defining Natural Capital
26:50 Ecosystem Services Explained
27:30 Biodiversity Hidden Benefits
29:22 Climate Threats to Supply
31:08 Nature as Business Risk
32:12 Local Nature Action Wins
34:04 Measuring Biodiversity Impacts
36:03 Metrics Not Magic Numbers
38:47 Tools and Frameworks TNFD
40:52 First Best Worst Nature Stories
46:41 Closing Reflections and 30x30

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Episode 33: How to Integrate Nature into Decision Making that Delivers Better Outcomes for All with Ella Moseley, Director of Ecology at Pegasus Group07 May 202600:47:10

Jonathan Withey welcomes listeners to episode 33 featuring a conversation with Ella Moseley, Director of Ecology at Pegasus Group. Ella describes her path into ecology through a physical geography degree in the UK and Australia, the value of gaining construction-side experience, and how Pegasus brought ecology in-house to complete a multidisciplinary offer and support clients from early land appraisals through post-consent delivery. They discuss biodiversity net gain (BNG) as a way to communicate value, guide development viability, and support placemaking, alongside ecosystem services examples such as natural flood management, hedgerows for carbon and biodiversity, and re-naturalising chalk streams. Ella shares first, worst, and best nature experiences, including childhood lizard-watching, handling habitat damage incidents, and releasing a rehabilitated tamandua in Guatemala.

00:00 Welcome and Episode Setup
01:46 Attenborough and Spring Notes
03:04 Meet Ella in Soho
03:27 Ella’s Ecology Career Path
07:13 Field Trips and Early Nature
08:50 Winning Hearts on Site
11:35 What Is a Smooth Snake
12:26 Why Pegasus Went In-House
16:09 BNG as Business Language
18:55 Ecosystem Services in Action
23:32 Delivering BNG at Pegasus
30:32 BNG for Placemaking
35:34 First Nature Memories
37:48 Worst Moments and Resilience
42:00 Best Moments in the Wild
45:31 Wrap-Up and Takeaways

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Episode 32: All Roads Lead to Nature Recovery with Julia Baker, Global Submarket Lead for Biodiversity and Nature at Mott MacDonald22 Apr 202600:40:08

Jonathan is joined in central London by Julia Baker of Mott MacDonald to discuss how nature services connect biodiversity, climate resilience, carbon, and social wellbeing, arguing that nature recovery is a solution society and the economy need. The conversation focuses on biodiversity net gain (BNG), especially for nationally significant infrastructure projects (NSIPs), including the government’s announcement that mandatory BNG for NSIPs will go live on 2 November 2026 and planned interim publications such as biodiversity gain statements, an updated metric user guide, and additional guidance. They explore mitigation hierarchy, stakeholder engagement, local nature recovery strategies, on-site versus off-site delivery, funding and corporate frameworks like TNFD, and Julia shares formative childhood and UK woodland experiences in nature.

00:00 Spring Garden Update
01:42 Bird Flu Reminder
02:03 Meet Julia Baker
04:06 Nature Services Big Picture
08:56 Biodiversity as a Market
13:27 TNFD and Funding Nature
18:39 BNG and NSIPs Explained
22:53 Making BNG Work Locally
28:11 Future of BNG Policy
31:16 Onsite vs Offsite Debate
33:13 First Nature Memories
38:45 Closing Thoughts Outro

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Episode 31: From Creator to Rater of Biodiversity Net Gain with David Hill CBE, Founder of Foundation for Nature06 Apr 202600:56:47

Jonathan Withey hosts a conversation with David Hill CBE, described as a key architect of Biodiversity Net Gain (BNG), discussing its origin from David’s experience in environmental impact assessment, his push from biodiversity offsetting to mandated BNG, and why voluntary adoption failed. David argues onsite BNG is ineffective and advocates professional, audited offsite habitat banks, noting BNG costs about 0.6% of gross development value and warning that exemptions, environmental delivery plans, and a levy-based Nature Restoration Fund could undermine private investment and market stability. He outlines his new venture, Foundation for Nature, a ratings agency for nature restoration projects using pillars of ecological integrity, financial security, governance, and community benefits. The episode also covers career advice, policy context, and David’s best and worst nature experiences, including concern over declining curlew populations.

00:00 Podcast Welcome and Context
02:10 Finding Hope in Nature
03:13 Meet David Hill and Episode Preview
05:20 Career Beginnings in Ecology
07:38 Breaking Into the Industry Today
08:52 Skills Volunteering and Higher Study
13:27 The Origin of Biodiversity Net Gain
18:43 Politics and the Economics of Nature
22:34 How to Improve BNG Policy
23:35 No Exemptions and Real Costs
24:53 Why Environmental Delivery Plans Worry Him
28:08 Levy Risks and Nature Restoration Fund
28:27 Policy Scares Off Investors
30:37 Why The Levy Fails
32:13 Foundation For Nature Explained
35:18 Corporate Biodiversity Reporting
38:46 Ratings Pillars And Scoring
42:24 Onsite Versus Offsite BNG
45:42 First Nature Memories
47:50 Best Wildlife Encounters
49:37 Curlew Decline And Solutions
52:41 Rewilding And Shifting Baselines
55:41 Wrap Up And Reflections

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Episode 30: The Green Thread - Connecting the Dots Between Hard Hats and Habitats with Laurence Cummins, Sustainability Manager at Wates Group 23 Mar 202600:42:50

On this episode Jonathan Withey chats with Laurence Cummins, Sustainability Manager at Wates Group, who describes his path from a biology degree and applied research role into leading the nature strand of Wates’ environmental strategy. They discuss drivers behind Wates’ nature work, including the Nature Based Neighbourhoods programme and research with More in Common showing cross-political support for green spaces. Laurence outlines nature tech uses such as high-resolution satellite imagery and the need for a “green thread” of accessible project information to avoid biodiversity outcomes being lost through complex delivery chains, then they close with Laurence’s early nature memories and standout experiences, including seeing dolphins in Cornwall.

00:00 Podcast Welcome Update
01:07 BNG Market Momentum
02:05 Meet Lawrence Waits
04:38 Cafe Intro HiveTrackX
05:41 Laurence's Career Journey
09:33 Waits Nature Strategy
13:48 Nature Based Neighborhoods
16:52 Green Space Business Case
19:37 Skills Capacity Challenges
22:22 Nature Tech In Planning
24:55 Policy Cuts Uncertainty
25:31 Nature Tech Adoption Gap
27:34 Project Complexity Needs Tech
30:34 Green Thread Information
33:03 People Not Just Process
34:49 Childhood Nature Memories
36:41 Nature Discomfort Moments
38:27 Awe Struck Encounters
41:24 Wrap Up Reflections

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Episode 29: Enabling a Regenerative Food System that Supports Nature Recovery with Joseph Gridley, CEO & Founder of the Soil Association Exchange16 Mar 202600:38:05

In this episode host Jonathan  speaks with Joseph Gridley, CEO and founder of Soil Association Exchange, a for-profit arm distinct from the Soil Association charity, which helps companies and about 2,200 UK farms (around 4.5% of UK agricultural land) measure and improve environmental impacts through finance, advice, and simplified access to public and private funding options like SFI and other schemes. Gridley explains the business value for partners—supply chain resilience, credible field-level data for reporting, and stronger storytelling—and shares first, worst, and best nature experiences.

00:00 Welcome and Episode Intro
00:37 Life Updates and New Baby
01:42 Nature Thrive Wins at Rankin Farm
03:05 Why Soil Association Exchange Matters
05:50 Meet Joseph in Peckham
06:23 Jonathan’s Soil Story
07:32 Joseph’s Career Journey
11:49 Launching Soil Association Exchange
13:00 How the Exchange Model Works
16:44 Stacking Public and Private Funding
19:44 Farmers, Trust, and Transition
22:55 What Brands Get in Return
24:04 Data, Reporting, and Storytelling
28:36 First Memories in Nature
31:27 Worst Nature Experience
33:45 Best Nature Experience
36:37 Wrap Up and Key Takeaways

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Episode 28: From Conservation to Restoration with Peter Dorans, Director of Business Development at Plantlife09 Mar 202600:38:00

On this episode Jonathan Withey hosts Peter Dorans, Business Development Director at the charity Plantlife. Peter shares his unconventional career path into the NGO environment sector, including roles in the civil service, New Zealand’s Ministry for the Environment, 15 years at The Wildlife Trusts, and moving to Plantlife to build commercial engagement in nature restoration. Plantlife was founded by botanists to address the lack of attention on plants and fungi and focuses on species-rich grasslands and the UK’s rare temperate rainforest, working mainly through partnerships rather than a large reserve estate. Peter explains Plantlife’s role as a Defra-designated responsible body for biodiversity net gain via conservation covenants, adding legal assurance and long-term monitoring to restoration. They discuss workplace nature, wellbeing benefits, and Peter’s best and worst nature experiences.

00:00 Podcast Welcome Updates
02:23 Meet Plantlife Focus
03:41 Pete Career Journey
09:33 Plantlife Mission Habitats
14:27 Why Restore Nature
15:58 Everyday Nature Business Sites
24:12 BNG Responsible Body Explained
29:34 Cathedral Thinking Long Term
30:18 Best Worst Nature Stories
36:38 Wrap Up Listener Takeaways

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Episode 27: How to Measurably Improve Nature and Ecosystem Services via Biodiversity Net Gain with Nick White, Principle Advisor of Net Gain at Natural England02 Mar 202600:40:08

In this episode Jonathan interviews Nick White, Principal Adviser for Net Gain at Natural England, about his career path into biodiversity work and his 14-year involvement in developing biodiversity net gain (BNG). Nick explains how Brexit created a political window to help get BNG onto the national agenda and ultimately enshrined into law, and discusses BNG’s global influence, including international uptake of the metric. They explore what natural capital means, why habitats are used as a practical proxy for biodiversity, and how environmental net gain seeks to capture wider ecosystem benefits beyond wildlife value. The conversation also covers the importance of numbers for business decision-making, the need to ensure long-term on-the-ground outcomes, and Nick’s first, best, and worst experiences in nature.

00:00 Welcome and Guest Intro
03:11 Setting the Scene
04:03 Nick’s Career Journey
06:28 Brexit and Policy Window
07:54 From Idea to Global Impact
10:39 Supply Demand and Trust
12:12 Natural Capital Explained
14:58 Keeping BNG Simple
18:44 Environmental Net Gain
20:46 Private Sector Motivation
21:06 Beyond Compliance Value
23:09 Metrics That Move Money
24:14 Making the Business Case
26:06 How BNG Should Evolve
29:09 Nature and Development Together
29:56 First Memory Fishing
32:29 Worst Night Exercise
34:20 Best Moments in Nature
35:57 Everyone Can Act
38:14 Host Wrap and Next Guests

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Episode 26: Beyond the Pipes - Making Space for Nature with Angus Wells, Biodiversity Manager at Anglian Water23 Feb 202600:36:15

On this episode Jonathan frames the conversation as a focus on Anglia Water’s work for nature recovery and biodiversity, while acknowledging wider water industry challenges around drinking water, sewage treatment, and infrastructure. Angus explains Anglia Water’s geographic coverage (from the Humber Estuary to the Thames Estuary and inland to Northamptonshire) and discusses work across the UK’s driest region, including river restoration, slowing flows, habitat creation and some wetland creation as part of catchment management, alongside future-focused initiatives like desalination plants and new reservoirs. Angus shares his career path from studying geography and management at the University of Leeds into practical woodland management, then environmental land management at the 11,000-hectare Auburn Wise estate, before joining Anglia Water in April. The episode explores land sharing vs land sparing, including agroforestry projects integrating nature corridors within arable farming and the role of agri-environment schemes and emerging biodiversity net gain markets as income streams. Angus outlines key drivers for Anglia Water’s biodiversity work, including the Water Industry National Environment Programme (WINEP) within AMP8 (2025–2030) and the new Biodiversity Performance Commitment requiring measurable habitat unit uplift using the biodiversity metric on a four-year cycle (2025 baseline to 2029 reassessment), with penalties for non-delivery. He also notes Anglia Water’s obligations as a significant landholder managing many SSSIs—about 99% by area in favourable condition—while continuing to improve remaining sites. Angus highlights a project at Grafham Water near Huntingdon, linking fragmented ancient woodlands with woodland creation and grassland along reservoir shores to improve connectivity and resilience for woodland species. In the recurring segment, Angus shares early memories growing up on a rural farm, his worst experience of seeing habitat reverted to arable despite efforts to influence decisions, and best experiences including delivering a 40–50 hectare agroforestry project in Norfolk and cycling from east Norfolk to southwest Wales to experience landscapes at a slower pace. Jonathan closes by emphasizing the importance of recognizing positive work within water companies and previews a future episode with Nick White of Natural England.

00:00 Welcome + What This Episode Will (and Won’t) Cover
01:34 Meet Angus Wells: Shared Backgrounds & Why This Story Matters
03:19 Anglia Water’s Region & Big-Picture Catchment Work (Wetlands, Reservoirs, Resilience)
05:04 Angus’s Career Journey: From Practical Woodland Work to Anglia Water
07:27 Land Sharing vs Land Sparing: Making Nature Work in Productive Farmland
10:52 Why Water Companies Invest in Nature: AMP8, WINEP & Regulatory Drivers
15:08 Measuring Biodiversity Uplift: Performance Commitment, Habitat Units & 4-Year Targets
19:30 SSSIs & Flagship Project: Grafham Water Woodland Connectivity
22:08 Why Habitat Corridors Matter: Resilience, Movement & Genetic Diversity
25:05 First / Worst / Best in Nature: Early Memories, Career Frustrations & Agroforestry Wins
34:26 Wrap-Up + Host Reflections and What’s Next on the Podcast

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Episode 25: Creating Places for People and Nature with Peter Rogers CBE, Co-founder of Lipton Rogers LLP16 Feb 202600:39:46

On this episode Jonathan has a conversation with Peter Rogers, co-founder of Lipton Rogers and former co-founder of Stanhope. They discuss Rogers’ long career in commercial and residential development, including insights into 22 Bishopsgate (“22B”), designed as a “vertical village” with shared amenities such as restaurants, bars, gyms, art in the lobby, and community-focused spaces to offset limited ground-level public realm. Rogers shares how he got into construction through early exposure to his grandfather’s development work in Italy, his civil engineering background, and his belief that people should find work they enjoy. The conversation covers industry challenges such as increasing bureaucracy, planning complexity, rising costs, slow innovation, and the impact of legislation like the Building Safety Act, as well as the role of AI and robotics. Rogers explains his long-standing focus on creating places for people with landscaping and greenery, critiques greenwashing (including green walls and token rooftop measures), and argues for investing in larger-scale, properly maintained parks and biodiversity projects rather than small on-building interventions. They also discuss biodiversity net gain and the value of practical, local, measurable interventions, drawing parallels with approaches like insulating homes for carbon benefits. In the recurring nature segment, Rogers recounts early alpine experiences skiing and staying in remote huts, a safari in the Kalahari Desert, and a “worst” experience at sea involving increasingly severe Mediterranean storms, which he links to warming sea temperatures and global warming.

00:00 Welcome Back + Newborn Night Shift Story
01:16 Meet Peter Rogers: Iconic City of London Developer & Green Building Pioneer
04:22 Deep Dive: 22 Bishopsgate’s ‘Vertical Village’ Concept
06:13 Inside the Building: Lobby Art, Amenities & Tenant Community
08:57 Peter’s Origin Story: From Italy to Civil Engineering & Contracting
11:06 Career Advice at 80: Find Work You Love + Start Early
14:41 Industry Headwinds: Bureaucracy, Rising Costs & Slow Innovation
17:32 Planning Reform, Building Safety Act & Unintended Consequences of Regulation
18:52 Energy Efficiency vs Overheating: Futureproofing Buildings in a Warming Climate
19:43 Safe Homes vs Enough Homes: Finding the Balance
20:50 Designing Developments as Places: Greenery, Parks & Wellbeing
22:08 Calling Out Greenwashing: Why Tiny Green Walls Don’t Move the Dial
23:11 Biodiversity Net Gain Reality Check: On‑Site Rules vs Landscape‑Scale Impact
26:31 Health & Safety vs Biodiversity: What Legislation Can (and Can’t) Fix
28:57 First Nature Memories: Ski Touring to Alpine Huts & Wild Quiet
31:44 Best Experience: Kalahari Desert Safari and Life in Harsh Landscapes
33:16 Worst Experience: Mediterranean Storms, Sailing Risk & Climate Change Signals
37:03 Wrapping Up: Ocean Warming, Seagrass Decline & Final Takeaways

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Episode 24: Nature Positive, What's all that About? With Edward Pollard, Founder of Positive by Nature09 Feb 202600:55:32

In this episode Jonathan dives into a captivating conversation with Edward Pollard, founder of Positive by Nature. Edward shares insights on sustainability, nature recovery, and biodiversity, drawing from his extensive experience in the field. Learn about the interconnectedness of climate and nature, the importance of business resilience, and the exciting projects driving nature conservation forward. Edward also shares memorable personal stories from his career, highlighting the crucial role of both local action and global cooperation in preserving our natural world. This episode provides a rich exploration of the many facets of nature recovery, making it a must-listen for anyone passionate about the environment.

00:00 Welcome to Season Two
00:37 Personal Updates and Reflections
02:01 Challenges in Sustainability
03:16 Nature Thrive's Mission and Projects
07:42 Interview with Edward Pollard
11:33 Edward's Career Journey
16:06 Understanding Nature Positive
20:17 Corporate Action on Biodiversity
25:10 Business Case for Nature Conservation
27:44 Investor Pressure on Corporate Responsibility
29:06 Resilience and Risk in Supply Chains
30:26 Collaborative Approaches to Sustainable Supply Chains
32:28 Challenges and Successes in Landscape-Level Conservation
35:08 Regulatory and Policy Impacts on Conservation
41:25 Personal Experiences in Nature
51:28 Concluding Thoughts and Future Directions

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Episode 23: Allies in Making Nature Restoration Profitable for All with Connell Grogan, Co-founder of Nature Impact 19 Nov 202500:49:16

In this episode host Jonathan sits down with Connell Grogan, co-founder of Nature Impact, to discuss the significance of biodiversity net gain policy, the creation of offsite habitat banks, and how an entrepreneurial spirit can drive nature recovery in the UK. They delve into the policy's impact, the importance of offsite versus onsite biodiversity enhancements, and innovative approaches like the upcoming nature credit offerings. Connell shares insights from his career, the journey of Nature Impact, and personal stories highlighting the profound connection with nature. Tune in for a deep dive into biodiversity, policy, and entrepreneurial efforts to restore the natural world.

00:00 Welcome to the Nature Thrive Podcast Finale
00:22 Introducing Connell Grogan and Nature Impact
01:19 The Importance of Biodiversity Net Gain
02:13 Challenges and Opportunities in Nature Recovery
08:06 Connell Grogan's Career Journey
15:38 The Mission and Model of Nature Impact
24:40 The Role of Developers in Biodiversity Net Gain
26:44 The Importance of Connected Green Spaces
27:33 Challenges in Landscape Architecture
28:14 Onsite vs. Offsite Biodiversity Efforts
30:09 Local Planning Authorities and Biodiversity
31:11 Supporting Small Developers
32:38 The Future of Nature Credits
39:03 Personal Experiences in Nature
47:12 Conclusion and Reflections

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Episode 22: Making Commercial Sense of Embracing Organic and Biodynamic Principles with Nick Wenman, Owner of Albury Vineyard 12 Nov 202500:35:02

In this episode host Jonathan speaks with Nick Wenman, owner of Albury Vineyard in the Surrey Hills. Nick shares his transition from the IT world to cultivating vines for certified organic wine production in the UK, while adopting biodynamic principles. The conversation delves into the challenges and rewards of organic viticulture, the commercial benefits of sustainability, and the importance of reconnecting with nature. Nick also discusses the significance of introducing educational and nature-friendly practices into his vineyard operations. This episode offers valuable insights into sustainable farming and the commercial viability of eco-friendly practices. Tune in to learn more about Nick's passion for nature, his vineyard's success, and the role of sustainability in modern farming.

00:00 Welcome to the Nature Thrive Podcast
00:21 Introducing Nick and Aubrey Vineyard
01:15 The Importance of Commercial Benefits in Sustainability
03:05 Nick's Journey from IT to Viticulture
06:28 Challenges and Rewards of Organic Farming
08:42 Biodynamic Principles and Practices
12:31 Impact of Climate Change on Viticulture
14:47 The Business of Running a Vineyard
16:02 Educational and Environmental Initiatives
25:28 First, Best, and Worst Experiences in Nature
32:31 Concluding Thoughts and Reflections

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Episode 21: The Business Case for Nature with Helen Nyul (former) Head of Biodiversity at Barrat Redrow31 Oct 202500:43:44

In this episode Jonathan has a conversation with Helen Nyul, former Head of Biodiversity at Barratt Redrow, who recently transitioned to a new role at the nature tech startup, Verna. Helen shares her career journey, the impact of nature-rich housing developments, and the essential role of biodiversity in business and the economy. We discuss successful projects like Kingsbrook and the value of biodiversity action plans. Don't miss the engaging stories and practical insights on how both developers and individuals can reconnect with nature. 


00:00 Introduction and Podcast Overview
00:37 Guest Introduction: Helen Mule's Career Journey
02:14 Helen's Transition to Verna
03:47 Jonathan's Nostalgic Moment
04:44 Helen's Career Pathway
08:06 Biodiversity Action Plans and Business Impact
19:00 Barrett's Approach to Sustainability
23:34 Innovative Wildlife-Friendly Developments
23:54 The Decline of Nature in Popular Culture
24:46 Future Homes Hub and Biodiversity Net Gain
25:08 The Impact of Biodiversity Policies on Developers
27:44 The Global Perspective on Biodiversity Net Gain
29:01 Mitigation Hierarchy in Site Development
30:53 Challenges and Opportunities in Biodiversity Net Gain
34:34 Personal Experiences and Reflections on Nature
41:23 Final Thoughts on Biodiversity and Nature Recovery

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Episode 20: Designing Nature into the Built Environment with Philippa Birch-Wood (formerly) of Chetwoods 15 Oct 202500:37:01

In this episode Jonathan has a conversation with Philippa Birch-Wood, the former Executive Director for ESG at Chetwoods and now Head of Climate Action at the UK Green Building Council. They delve into the critical role of architecture in enhancing connections with nature and promoting sustainability. Learn about Chatwood's Thrive Design approach and Phillipa's career journey into sustainability, her insightful experiences in nature, and the importance of integrating biophilic designs in modern buildings. 

00:00 Introduction to the Nature Thrive Podcast
00:52 Key Themes of the Conversation
03:21 Phillipa's Career Journey
04:36 The Role of Sustainability in Architecture
10:12 Thrive Design and Its Impact
21:56 Nature's Increasing Role in Design
26:24 First, Best, and Worst Experiences in Nature
31:28 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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Episode 19: How the Built Environment is Driving Nature Markets in the UK, with Simon Kennedy of Wates Wildscape23 Sep 202500:37:21

In this episode Jonathan  engages in an insightful conversation with Simon Kennedy, Associate Director of Wates Wild Scape. They discuss the formation and mission of Wates Wild Scape by the Wates Group, an over-a-century-old  construction and development company in the UK. The episode covers key themes such as natural capitalism, nature markets, biodiversity net gain, nutrient neutrality, and sustainable alternative natural green spaces (SANGs). Simon shares his career journey, the importance of monetising nature-based solutions, and how these initiatives contribute to creating sustainable futures. The episode also delves into the broader impacts of development on nature and the exciting projects Wates Wild Scape is undertaking to address these issues. Join us for an engaging discussion that highlights the intersection of capitalism, policy, and environmental sustainability.

00:00 Introduction to the Naturethrive Podcast
03:43 Meet Simon Kennedy: Associate Director at Wates Wild Scape
06:37 Understanding Nutrient Neutrality
10:49 Exploring Wates Wild Scape and Its Mission
19:45 The Importance of Sustainable Urban Green Spaces
27:39 Personal Reflections on Nature
35:16 Conclusion and Call to Action

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Episode 18: Marrying the Heart with the Head and Hands to Enable Positive Change, with Louisa Harris04 Sep 202500:47:18

In this episode Jonathan talks to Louisa Harris, founder of Curiously Liminal and a coach for change-makers in sustainability. Louisa shares her unique career journey in sustainability, from her beginnings influenced by climate activism to her roles in organisations like Grant Thornton. She discusses the current state and transitions within sustainability and ESG, emphasising the importance of integrating emotional connections with data-driven decisions. Louisa also highlights her current projects and the significant role of nature in sustainability. This episode is particularly insightful for those interested in making meaningful changes in the sustainability sector.

00:00 Introduction to the Nature Thrive Podcast
00:23 Meet Louisa Harris: A Year of Experimentation
01:18 The State of Sustainability in 2025
01:33 Career Paths in Sustainability
04:46 Louisa's Journey into Sustainability
07:17 Early Career and Carbon Auditing
08:55 Building Sustainability at Grant Thornton
10:09 Leadership and Systems Change
11:30 Pandemic and Teaching at CISL
11:52 Brand Work and Sustainability
21:11 The Role of Nature in Sustainability
24:45 Rethinking Organizational Boundaries
25:28 The Joy of Rewilding
25:44 Concerns About the New Nature Language
27:28 Quantifying Nature and Biodiversity
29:49 Coaching and Nature's Principles
32:02 Innovations in Service Design
34:00 Experiments with Sustainable Compost
39:04 Personal Reflections on Nature
42:53 Profound Experiences in Nature
45:32 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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Episode 17: Rewilding, what's it all about? with Alister Scott of the Global Rewilding Alliance19 Aug 202500:49:47

In this episode, Jonathan sits down with Alister, the executive director of the Global Rewilding Alliance, to explore his path to leadership in the rewilding movement. Alister shares his background, from growing up in rural Ireland to his long career in environmental advocacy and coaching. They discuss the core principles of rewilding, the impact of reintroducing animals on ecological restoration, and the global reach and influence of the Global Rewilding Alliance. Alistair also shares personal anecdotes about his early experiences in nature, challenges faced, and the transformative moments that shaped his connection to the environment. This engaging conversation delves deep into the science, challenges, and inspiring success stories of rewilding efforts around the world.


00:00 Introduction and Greetings

00:33 Alister's Journey to the Global Rewilding Alliance

01:27 Early Influences and Epiphanies

04:02 Instinctive Rewilding and Career Path

06:42 Defining Rewilding

13:12 Global Rewilding Efforts and Success Stories

18:46 Rewilding's Impact on Employment and Communities

20:59 The Innate Connection to Nature

22:31 Maintaining Positive Momentum in Environmental Communication

22:47 The Power of Positive Storytelling in Rewilding

25:02 The Impact of News Consumption on Mental Health

27:59 Introduction to the Global Rewilding Alliance

30:17 The Three Pillars of the Global Rewilding Alliance

35:21 First, Best, and Worst Experiences in Nature

43:26 Concluding Thoughts and Reflections


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Episode 16: Connecting with Nature through our Gardens with George Hillier05 Aug 202500:48:09

In this episode we delve into the fascinating world of gardens and tree plantations with George Hillier, Chair of the Hillier Garden Centres Group. This episode highlights the history of Hillier Garden Centres, founded in 1864, and their innovative approach to growing mature and semi-mature trees. George shares insights on the importance of gardening for connecting with nature, the evolution of garden spaces, and their commitment to climate resilience. Additionally, the 'Uncover Recover' project, which aims to revert hard-standing spaces back to nature, is discussed, along with the significance of holding a Royal Warrant. Join us for an enriching conversation as George also recounts his personal 'first, best, and worst' experiences in nature.

00:00 Welcome to the Nature Thrive Podcast
00:49 The Role of Garden Centers in Connecting with Nature
03:46 History and Evolution of Hillier Garden Centers
07:40 The Importance of British Grown Trees
08:58 Adapting to Climate Change
12:24 The Garden Center Experience
19:59 Encouraging Biodiversity in Gardens
22:21 Royal Warrant and Sustainability
24:41 Introduction to the Uncover Recover Project
25:26 The Impact of Hard Standing on Biodiversity
27:23 The Uncover Recover Initiative Explained
30:18 Psychological and Business Benefits of Uncover Recover
31:50 Challenges and Adaptability of the Project
34:54 Personal Reflections on Nature
35:25 George Hillier's Early Experiences in Nature
37:51 The Legacy of Plant Hunting
42:58 Memorable Moments in Nature
46:16 Conclusion and Call to Action

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naturethrive podcast episode 15 - The Allerton Project Head of Sustainable Farming Joe Stanley29 Jul 202500:42:13

This episode is a conversation with Joe Stanley, a prominent figure in the UK agricultural community. Joe shares insights from his experience as a farmer and influencer in the agricultural space. We discuss the significant challenges faced by farmers today, including climate change, fair compensation, and sustainable practices. The episode also delves into the importance of water, soil health, and the economic pressures on the farming industry. Joe provides an in-depth look at the Allerton Project, a working farm demonstrating sustainable farming practices. Tune in for a rich conversation on building resilient farming businesses and the critical role of farmers in our society.

00:00 Introduction to the Nature Thrive Podcast
00:30 Meet Joe Stanley: The Farming Influencer
01:30 Challenges in Modern Farming
03:46 The Allerton Project: Sustainable Farming
12:41 Water: The Next Big Environmental Challenge
17:58 Economic Realities of Farming
21:37 The True Cost of Food Waste
22:01 Economic Pressures on Food Prices
22:43 Farmers' Financial Struggles
23:56 Diversifying Farm Income
27:55 Biodiversity Net Gain: A Potential Solution?
32:20 Best and Worst Experiences in Nature
35:50 Reflecting on Agricultural Challenges
38:44 Closing Thoughts and Key Statistics

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naturethrive podcast episode 14 - Bellway Homes Group Head of Biodiversity Neil Beamsley21 Jul 202500:37:31

This episode discuss the evolving role of biodiversity in the UK housing sector. This insightful episode explores the impact of policy changes, such as biodiversity net gain (BNG), on the UK's largest housebuilder, Bellway Homes. Neil shares his expertise on integrating biodiversity into housing projects, the challenges and opportunities faced by developers, and the importance of collaboration between the commercial and conservation communities. Tune in for a compelling conversation that highlights how structured and deliverable policies can make a tangible difference to the environment.

00:00 Introduction and Episode Overview
00:28 Meet Neil Beamsley: Head of Biodiversity at Beltway Homes
00:59 The Importance of Biodiversity in Housing Development
01:21 Challenges and Opportunities in Biodiversity Net Gain (BNG)
02:22 Technical Challenges and Podcast Setup
03:05 Neil Beamsley's Career Path
04:56 Understanding Biodiversity Net Gain (BNG)
08:51 Legislation and Local Authority Roles in Biodiversity
18:47 Onsite vs. Offsite Biodiversity Strategies
22:38 The Role of Conservation Charities and Developers
29:36 Personal Experiences and Reflections on Nature
35:30 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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naturethrive podcast episode 13 - Planet Mark CEO Steve Malkin03 Jul 202500:34:57

This episode welcomes Steve Malkin, founder and CEO of Planet Mark, a leading sustainability and net-zero certification company. Having spent six years with Planet Mark, Jonathan brings an insider's perspective on their mission to help organizations measure and reduce their carbon footprints and transition to net zero.

This episode delves into how Planet Mark makes climate action accessible and commercially viable for businesses. They discuss the critical role of a well-planned and costed net-zero strategy and how Planet Mark fosters a supportive community for companies committed to climate action. The conversation also explores the vital connection between climate and nature, highlighting nature's role in providing solutions and making sustainability more tangible.

Steve Malkin shares his inspiring vision for Planet Mark, which he founded on the belief that businesses can lead the charge toward a low and net-zero future. His positive and business-focused approach to sustainability offers a refreshing contrast to traditional "gloom and doom" narratives. The podcast also touches on how Planet Mark incorporates nature into its certification, creating direct connections with organizations like the Eden Project and Cool Earth.

The episode was recorded outdoors in sunny Kent, immersing listeners in the sounds of nature, including birdsong, enhancing the podcast's theme.

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naturethrive podcast episode 12 - Strata Homes Planning Director Claire Linley and Sustainability Manager Elsie Hargate11 Jun 202500:41:50

This episode discusses biodiversity net gain (BNG) with Claire Linley, Planning Director, and Elsie Hargate, Sustainability Manager at Strata Homes, a leading UK housebuilder. They explore Strata's commitment to sustainability, evidenced by their "homes that make the heart beat faster" ethos and their proactive nature and biodiversity policy.

The conversation delves into the opportunities and challenges of BNG, particularly the complexities of its implementation. Claire and Elsie discuss the differing impacts on brownfield versus greenfield sites and the inconsistencies in application by local authorities. They highlight the benefits of BNG in creating a more level playing field for developers committed to environmental considerations, while also pointing out the ongoing "teething problems" with its delivery mechanisms.

A key topic is the "on-site versus off-site" debate regarding BNG credits. Claire explains the rationale for off-site solutions when they offer greater ecological benefit, despite current regulations sometimes disincentivizing this. Elsie emphasizes the importance of both approaches, especially when on-site efforts can create valuable wildlife corridors. They also touch on the long-term management of BNG areas and how Strata Homes engages residents through initiatives like hedgehog highway leaflets to foster a connection with nature on their developments.

Jonathan also shares a quote from "Wild Service: Why Nature Needs Us" by Nick Hayes and John Moses, emphasizing nature's role in human well-being and community. He also gives a shout-out to Spotify Premium for its growing collection of nature-themed audiobooks.

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naturethrive podcast episode 11 - Bemari Founder Marina Bradford02 Jun 202500:51:59

This episode of the naturethrive Podcast we dive into the evolving landscape of sustainability and nature reporting with our insightful guest, Marina Bradford. Founder of the consultancy Bemari, Marina brings a wealth of experience in helping organisations understand and address their environmental impact. We explore whether the increasing focus on nature by businesses is a passing trend or a fundamental shift, and how it interlinks with climate action. Marina shares her fascinating journey into this field, from her background in audit and risk management to establishing her own consultancies. We discuss the changing cultural attitudes towards sustainability across different global regions and within corporate environments, examining how these perspectives influence action. We also unpack the evolution of language in the sustainability space, from CSR to ESG and beyond, and demystify the crucial concept of double materiality. Finally, we delve into why nature and biodiversity are gaining prominence and how we can make these vital conversations more accessible to a wider audience.

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naturethrive podcast episode 10 - CEO of BNGx Andrew Hicks15 May 202500:33:43

This episode features Andrew, CEO of BNGX, explaining how their digital platform simplifies Biodiversity Net Gain (BNG) for developers and landowners. Discover how BNG policy aims to reverse nature decline and how BNGX streamlines the process of buying and selling registered offsite biodiversity units, ensuring efficiency, transparency, and trust in this emerging market. Andrew also shares a nostalgic early memory of nature.

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naturethrive podcast episode 9 - HiveTracks Head of Growth - Benjamin Tomkins23 Apr 202500:35:36

This episode of the naturethrive Podcast features a fascinating conversation with Benjamin Tompkins from Hive Tracks, a nature tech company revolutionising biodiversity data collection. They delve into the meaning of "ground truth" data and how Hive Tracks makes it easy for anyone, from beekeepers to community members, to collect real-time, continuous information on plant and pollinator species. Benjamin shares his journey into the nature tech space and explains Hive Tracks' innovative approach, including their app that gamifies data collection and their work with industries like development and agriculture to utilise this data for biodiversity net gain and genuine nature recovery, ultimately aiming to create a scalable and impactful understanding of our biodiversity and how to help it to recover.

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naturethrive podcast episode 8 - CEO of Native Rob Cobbold08 Apr 202500:31:15

Native partners with indigenous guardians to protect the planet, offering individuals and companies the opportunity to protect or restore nature one "native square" (three meters squared) at a time. They provide a map to visualize protected squares and a dashboard to track the impact on carbon, biodiversity, and the community.

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naturethrive podcast episode 7 - Wrangcombe Farm Land Manager Nigel Riddle 28 Mar 202500:28:00

In this episode with speak to Nigel Riddle of Wrangcombe Farm in Somerset.

The conversation delves into the diverse habitats at Wrangcombe Farm, which includes open heathland (a SSSI site), improved open grassland, steep-sided wooded streams called "goyles," marshy and dry fields, and even an area with alkaline soil from a former scramble track. Nigel emphasises the existing biodiversity of the site, describing it as "half wilded." He highlights the lack of public footpaths, contributing to a feeling of wilderness and increased wildlife, including nightjars and curlews on the top heathland.

They also discuss naturethrive's first Biodiversity Net Gain (BNG) project across the fields to the east of the site.

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naturethrive podcast episode 6 - head of natural capital at Knepp Estate Molly Biddell27 Feb 202500:31:32

In this episode we speak to Molly Biddell of Knepp Estate in Sussex.

Molly discusses Knepp's journey from a struggling conventional farm to a thriving nature restoration site, driven by the principles of rewilding and the introduction of free-roaming herbivores. She explains her role in exploring the ecosystem services provided by the land and developing business cases for nature restoration. 

The conversation covers the differences between rewilding and managed habitat restoration, the potential of Biodiversity Net Gain (BNG) as a policy to fund nature recovery, and the challenges and opportunities facing farmers in a changing agricultural landscape. 

Molly also shares personal anecdotes about her connection to nature, including childhood tree-climbing adventures and a challenging but ultimately rewarding cycling experience. 

The episode highlights the importance of making nature accessible, the need to integrate nature restoration into economic models, and the hopeful potential for symbiotic relationships between humans and the natural world.

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naturethrive podcast episode 5 - Farmers Tom Church & Hazel Towler11 Feb 202500:29:43

In this episode we speak to Tom Church and Hazel Towler of Scald End Farm in Bedfordshire. 

They discuss the challenges and opportunities facing farmers today, particularly regarding nature restoration and diversification.

Tom and Hazel share their personal stories of getting into farming and the farm's transition from arable to organic livestock farming. They explain the process and benefits of converting to pasture, including increased biodiversity and the return of farmland birds. They also delve into the complexities of environmental subsidy schemes, highlighting their importance for farm resilience while also expressing concerns about their long-term security.

The conversation explores the couple's entrepreneurial approach to diversifying income streams, including rental cottages and a farm shop (now transitioning to commercial let), emphasizing the need for financial stability in the face of fluctuating market prices and disease outbreaks. They discuss the farming community's varying attitudes towards diversification and environmental schemes, acknowledging the skepticism of some while recognizing the growing openness of younger generations. The challenges of navigating land options and the impact of national infrastructure projects on farmland are also addressed.

The episode touches on the controversial topic of reintroducing apex predators like lynx and wolves, with Tom expressing a nuanced view, acknowledging potential benefits while also considering the risks to livestock and other wildlife. The discussion also covers the reintroduction of beavers and the potential ecological and societal impacts.

Finally, Tom and Hazel share their "first, best, worst" nature experiences. Hazel recounts childhood memories of playing in a bluebell wood, while Tom describes a cherished recent memory of a campfire gathering with his son and other children in a small woodland (a "spinny"). Hazel's "worst" experience highlights the challenges of managing wet fields, particularly their impact on ground-nesting birds, and the delicate balance of nature. The podcast concludes with a reflection on the importance of farmers as key stakeholders in nature restoration and the mission to make such efforts profitable for all.

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naturethrive podcast episode 4 - Planet Mark Director Andrew Griffiths05 Feb 202500:24:41

In this episode we speak to Andrew Griffiths, Director of Policy and Partnerships at Planetmark, a sustainability and net-zero certification scheme. 

The discussion revolves around the intrinsic connection between nature and climate, emphasizing that solving one crisis is impossible without addressing the other. Griffiths explains Planetmark's role in helping organizations measure and reduce carbon emissions, highlighting the challenges of decarbonization and the importance of policy and partnerships in driving sustainability.

We explore the parallels between climate action and nature conservation, stressing that biodiversity collapse poses an existential threat alongside climate change. Andrew shares examples of how ecosystems, like the reintroduction of wolves in Yellowstone, demonstrate the interconnectedness of nature. He also discusses the importance of protecting natural carbon sinks, such as oceans and rainforests, and the risks of reaching tipping points that could lead to irreversible damage.

The episode concludes with Andrew sharing personal experiences in nature, including a memorable sunset in New Zealand and the sobering impact of witnessing coral bleaching and plastic pollution during a dive. These stories underscore the fragility of natural systems and the urgent need for conservation efforts.

Overall, the episode blends policy insights, environmental science, and personal anecdotes to highlight the critical interplay between climate action and nature preservation.

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naturethrive podcast episode 3 - environmental lawyer Richard Broadbent22 Jan 202500:30:53

In this episode we speak with Richard, an environmental lawyer at Freeths LLP, about environmental legislation and in particular Biodiversity Net Gain (BNG) in the UK. Richard discusses the legal framework of BNG, its potential to drive nature recovery, and the challenges and opportunities associated with its implementation. He also shares personal anecdotes about his experiences with nature, from childhood memories in the Malaysian rainforest to a challenging hiking expedition.

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naturethrive podcast episode 2 - UK Green Building Council Advisor Simon Matthews22 Jan 202500:32:10

In this episode we speak with Simon, an Advisor at the UK Green Building Council, about Biodiversity Net Gain (BNG) and the role of nature in the built environment. Simon discusses his work on decarbonizing buildings, the challenges and opportunities of BNG, and shares his personal experiences with nature, from childhood memories to awe-inspiring encounters in the Norwegian wilderness.

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naturethrive podcast episode 1 - Farmer Alec Clouting20 Dec 202400:40:58

Farmers are key stakeholders in the nature restoration space.

Alec Clouting is a young farmer managing 200 acres of farmland in Surrey and we discuss who we strike a balance between growing the food that we need and helping nature to recover and thrive.

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