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Episode 59: Catherine Pakaluk, Ph.D - A Life Marathon: On having a large family in a consumerist culture amidst declining marriage and birth rates 25 Jul 202402:25:36

In this episode of the Moral Imagination Podcast I speak with Catherine Pakaluk about her book Hannah’s Children: The Women Quietly Defying the Birth Dearth

Over the last 200 years, we have seen a decline in birth rates in the United States and abroad, especially in Western countries. Most European countries are no longer at replacement rates and face serious population decline. Reuters reported that Japan’s population will decline by a staggering 30% in the next fifty years.

In the United States, in the year 1800, the typical woman would have about 7 or 8 children. By 1900 that number was cut in half to 4. By 2000 the number cut in half again to about 2 children, which is just about replacement rate. The Wall Street Journal recently reported on the the record-low birthrate in the US, and how increasing numbers of people plan to have no children.

In the midst of declining marriages, childlessness, and low birthrates, Pakaluk studied the increasing minority of women in the Western world who have chosen to have five or more children — the top 5% of childbearing.

Her book is a mix of ethnography, sociology, and economics, and includes a critique of the dominant model of social and economic research.

One thing that stands out with many of the women she interviews is how at some point a shift took place in their attitude — from seeing children as a choice, like a consumer good among other choices, to a different attitude of receptivity and openness to having another child, and then another.

She talks about the many forces that promote small families — the cost of children, overpopulation propaganda, education, feminism, environmentalism, consumerism and more. But Pakaluk emphasizes that encouraging women to have more children cannot be addressed simply by implementing pro-family policies like some countries have tried to do. Good policy is not insignificant — for example in most US states parents who want to send their children to religious schools have to pay twice for school through tax and tuition. But she argues that the real problems go much deeper. They are religious, spiritual, and metaphysical: a vision of life that sees being as good, children as a blessing, and family as essential for a good life.

Pakaluk compares having a large family to running a marathon—except longer, harder, and more fulfilling. Government family policy would be like giving everyone a pair of good running shoes for the marathon. That could help, but it won’t get most people to run. There must be a deeper motivation, and this almost always comes from religious belief and the virtues of faith, hope, the goodness of being, and the value of generosity and sacrifice that come from it.

Themes and Topics we discuss include:

* Demographics and Population Decline

* Family policies

* Feminism

* Education

* Career vs Family and Children

* Conflicting Desires

* Difficulties and Advantages of a Large Family

* The Role of Religious Schools

* Community

* Plausibility Structures

* Consumerism

* Individualism

* Social Pressure

* Religious Freedom

* Fortitude, Patience

* Boys and Girls Sports

* Novak Djokovic and Kobe Bryant

* Voting Patterns

* Climate

* Creation and the Goodness of Being

* and more

Biography

Catherine Ruth Pakaluk (Ph.D, 2010) joined the faculty at the Busch School in the summer of 2016, and is the founder of the Social Research academic area, where she is an Associate Professor of Social Research and Economic Thought. Formerly, she was Assistant Professor and Chair of the Economics Department at Ave Maria University. Her primary areas of research include economics of education and religion, family studies and demography, Catholic social thought and political economy. Dr. Pakaluk is the 2015 recipient of the Acton Institute’s Novak Award, a prize given for “significant contributions to the study of the relationship between religion and economic liberty.”Pakaluk did her doctoral work at Harvard University under Caroline Hoxby, David Cutler, and 2016 Nobel-laureate Oliver Hart. Her dissertation, “Essays in Applied Microeconomics”, examined the relationship between religious ‘fit' and educational outcomes, the role of parental effort in observed peer effects and school quality, and theoretical aspects of the contraceptive revolution as regards twentieth century demographic trends.   Beyond her formal training in economics, Dr. Pakaluk studied Catholic social thought under the mentorship of F. Russell Hittinger, and various aspects of Thomistic thought with Steven A. Long. She is a widely-admired writer and sought-after speaker on matters of culture, gender, social science, the vocation of women, and the work of Edith Stein. She lives in Maryland with her husband Michael Pakaluk and eight children.

Resources

Hannah's Children

Flight from Woman

Neil Postman: Technopoly

Joseph Ratzinger: Homilies on Genesis

On the Jewish - Christian Idea of the Goodness of Being



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Ep. 58 William Easterly Ph.D. : Poverty, Technocracy, and the Tyranny of Experts 25 Apr 202401:34:19

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In this episode of the Moral Imagination Podcast, I speak with Professor William Easterly of New York University about his work in development economics, and the problems of technocracy and social engineering of the poor.

Easterly worked at the World Bank from 1985-2001 and began to be troubled by a number of things, including how aid is given without much concern about how it is distributed and managed thus subsidizing bad governance and harming the poor. We discuss Peter Bauer’s critique of how foreign aid politicizes development and delayed the development of business in Africa, and Bauer’s paradox of aid:

* The countries that need aid — aid will not be effective

* The countries where aid will be effective — do not need aid

But the key problem with the dominant model of development is not simply a lack of efficiency, but the failure to respect the rights and agency of poor people. Easterly explains that development projects often result in people being deprived of their property, political rights, and participation and consent in the very projects that are supposed to help them. He discussed the tendency to to trivialize problems in the developing world, and the lack of feedback and market tests in development policy. We discuss how the developing world can often become a a lab for experiments for technocrats and social engineers.

We also talk about Hayek’s Knowledge Problem, a response to Marianna Mazucatto idea of moonshots, and what I call “embedded'“ economics.

We discuss a number of issues including

* “The Debate that Never Happened” - Gunnar Myrdal vs. Friedrich Hayek on development economics

* Social Engineering

* Technocracy and the Hubris of the Technocrat

* Spontaneous Order

* Edmund Burke and Friedrich Hayek

* Soviet 5-year central planning as model for economic development

* Limited Horizons of Humanitarianism— a secular, hollowed out version of Christian love the focuses on material at the expense of personal agency.

* Lack of Accountability

* Material vs. Non-material Needs

* Materialist visions of the human person

* People have a right to consent to their own progress

* Harry Potter novels vs. Mosquito Nets

* Marianna Mazucatto’s ideas of Moonshots

* vs. accidental discovery

* vs opportunity costs

* vs failed social engineering projects

* and the complexity of economics and markets embedded in deep historical, cultural, norms, institutions, and religious foundations.

* How to think about foreign aid and public goods like healthcare, infrastructure, education

* Aid for emergencies vs. aid as answer to chronic poverty

* Institutions of Justice including clear title to land, access to justice in the courts, ability to participate in the formal economy, and free exchange.

* The impact of globalization on manufacturing in the US

* Trade-offs and economic volatility

* The moral rules that are needed for progress to beneficial

* Consent, Self-Determination, Moral Equality

* Attempts to develop Native Americans, US intervention in Philippines etc.

* Material progress is never enough to justify intervention

Biography

William Easterly is Professor of Economics at New York University and Co-director of the NYU Development Research Institute, which won the 2009 BBVA Frontiers of Knowledge in Development Cooperation Award. He is the author of three books: The Tyranny of Experts: Economists, Dictators, and the Forgotten Rights of the Poor (March 2014), The White Man’s Burden: Why the West’s Efforts to Aid the Rest Have Done So Much Ill and So Little Good (2006), which won the FA Hayek Award from the Manhattan Institute, and The Elusive Quest for Growth: Economists’ Adventures and Misadventures in the Tropics (2001).

He has published more than 60 peer-reviewed academic articles, and has written columns and reviews for the New York TimesWall Street JournalFinancial Times, New York Review of Books, and Washington Post. He has served as Co-Editor of the Journal of Development Economics and as Director of the blog Aid Watch. He is a Research Associate of NBER, and senior fellow at the Bureau for Research and Economic Analysis of Development (BREAD). Foreign Policy Magazine named him among the Top 100 Global Public Intellectuals in 2008 and 2009, and Thomson Reuters listed him as one of Highly Cited Researchers of 2014. He is also the 11th most famous native of Bowling Green, Ohio.

Resources

Essay: Friedrich Hayek: “The Use of Knowledge in Society”

Related: Podcast with Obianuju Ekeocha on Ideological Colonialism and Resisting the Cultural Annexation of Africa

Uganda Farmer Story in New York Times

Poverty, Inc. Film

Recommended Reading

Tyranny of Experts William Easterly

The White Man's Burden: Why the West's Efforts to Aid the Rest Have Done So Much Ill and So Little GoodBuy on Amazon, William Easterly

The Elusive Quest for Growth: Economists' Adventures and Misadventures in the Tropics, Easterly, William R.

Target Africa: Ideological Neocolonialism in the Twenty-First Century

by Obianuju Ekeocha

Seeing Like a State, James C. Scott

Peter Bauer, Equality, The Third World, and Economic Delusion

Angus Deaton The Great Escape: Health, Wealth, and the Origins of Inequality



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Ep. 49 Flagg Taylor, Ph.D: The Parallel Polis22 Dec 202201:43:46

In this episode I speak with Flagg Taylor about the life and writing of Vaclav Benda, and his idea of the parallel polis, decentralization, and creating space in society for culture, the family, charity, education, and human flourishing. Though he was writing under communist regimes, Benda’s writings are very relevant today in light democratic pressures to conformity, de-platforming, and especially as a new ontology of the person is being written into law — and dignity is used as weapon against religious and cultural liberty. Benda’s idea of the parallel polis was not a siege mentality, nor so much a reform existing structures that had ossified or were corrupted, but a call to build new, innovative, and better structures and social institutions that would activate people’s participation in civil, cultural, and commercial life, and give people a sense of purpose and agency. Examples today include decentralized technologies or classical education - which is not running away, but creating better alternatives to mediocre state run schools.

We discuss Benda’s ideas in the context of Czech communism and also in contemporary America, especially the overlap with Alexis de Tocqueville’s warnings about individualism, centralization, and soft-despotism. We examine his engagement with various thinkers including Roger Scruton and J.R.R. Tolkien, and talk about contemporary movements towards decentralization including The Network State by Balaji Srinivasan and its relation to the idea of a parallel polis. We discuss the need for social and commercial alternatives built on a rich understanding of the human person and the family including healthcare, mutual aid societies, banking, payment, insurance and more. Benda’s idea of the parallel polis demonstrates that the solution to totalitarianism and centralization is not more centralization or another totalitarianism, but de-centralization and humanization. We discuss a number of Benda essays including: The Parallel Polis, The Meaning Context Legacy of the Parallel Polis, The Family and Totalitarianism, A Critique of the Idea of a Christian State, and his personal reflections that illustrate the constant social pressure of living under communist totalitarianism.

Themes and Topics include

Albert Hirshman: Exit, Voice, and Loyalty

Peter Berger on Plausibility Structures

Vaclav Havel: Power of the Powerless

Greengrocers of the World Unite!

Aristotle’s Moral and Intellectual Virtues

Vaclav Havel Living in Truth

Benda focus on resisting the lies of totalitarianism by inhabiting a social spaces and plausibility structures that make living in truth possible.

MMM Lecture How to Build a Moral Imagination — new and better ways of live are actually plausible

Provide space for dissidents and their children who were excluded by the official social spaces

Balaji - The Network State - Network Union - Network Archipelago — cloud first, then land

  • Catholic Variation: Land - Cloud -Land

New Ontology of the Person
Totalitarian redefinition of biology and sociological reality

Dignity as a weapon against religious liberty

Testing the Limits in Communism vs Testing the Limits in Modern Democracy

De-platforming

Cancel Culture

Underground Seminars led by Roger Scruton

Roger Scruton and Jan Hus Foundation

Ortega y Gassett: The Spoiled Child of History

Second Culture

Charter 77 Essay at Foreign Policy Magazine

 

VONS Committee for the Defense of the Unjustly Prosecuted

Religious practice in Slovakia vs Czech Republic vs. Poland

Church Persecution by Communists in the 40s - 70s

Communist infiltration of Church and official Church collaboration with Communists 70s and 80s.

Critique of the Christian idea of a state

How politicalization of religion can lead to unbelief

Benda compared to contemporary Catholic integralists / post liberal thinkers

Secularism is not neutral

J.R.R Tolkien —Benda on the Lord of the Rings as as an analysis of totalitarianism

The Scouring of the Shire — See Jay Richards and Jonathan Witt The Hobbit Party link in Resources

The family is always a thorn to totalitarian states

Marriage and family as essential

The Family as the source of 3 fundamental gifts that a person can receive

  • Fruitful fellowship of love

  • Freedom

  • Dignity and unique role of the individual

Karol Wojtyla (John Paul II) and George Orwell on tenderness as a resistance to totalitarianism

Family as a space for freedom, failures, learning

How rebellion against parents is modern fashion that the totalitarian or centralizing state desires

Authority and Hierarchy

Hannah Arendt on Authority and Education (see link in resources)

Biography

Dr. F. Flagg Taylor IV is an Associate Professor of government at Skidmore College serves on the Academic Council of the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation. He holds a Ph.D. and an M.A. in political science from Fordham University and a B.A. from Kenyon College. Taylor’s specialty is in the history of political thought and American government, especially the question of executive power. He is the co-author of The Contested Removal Power, 1789-2010, author of numerous articles, and editor of The Great Lie: Classic and Recent Appraisals of Ideology and Totalitarianism and The Long Night of the Watchman: Essays by Václav Benda, 1977-1989.

Resources Flagg Taylor Website

Vaclav Benda Biography

 

The Enduring Interest Podcast on Apple Flagg Taylor Podcast at Podbean

MMM talk at Catholic Crypto Conference: Building a Parallel Polis: Social and Technological Decentralization

Peter Fiala

Flagg Taylor podcast interview on Hannah Arendt

Key Quotes

From “The Meaning Context Legacy of the Parallel Polis”

There is, however, a fundamental difference between the natural resistance of life to totalitarianism and the deliberate expansion of the space in which the parallel polis can exist. 

The former is a cluster of flowers that has grown into place accidentally sheltered from the killing winds of totalitarianism and easily destroyed when those winds change direction. The latter is a trench whose elimination depends strictly on a calculated move by the state power to destroy it. 

Given the time and means available only a certain number of trenches can be eliminated. If, at the same time, the parallel polis is able to produce more such trenches than it loses ,a situation arises that is morally dangerous for the regime; it is a blow at the very heart of its power — that is, the possibility of intervening anywhere without limitation.  The mission of the parallel polis is to constantly conquer new territory to make its parallelness constantly more substantial and more present. Benda p. 233

From “The Family and Totalitarianism”

I consider marriage and the family to be so essential that I am unwilling to accept the regular clichés about liberation from these obligations. So, in the Christian version as we know it, which for centuries dominated the western world, the family was, as well as many other good things, a visible embodiment of the three most fundamental gifts or dignity is that a person could receive…

Benda lists three gifts:

  1. “Fruitful fellowship of love in which we are bound together with our neighbor without pardon by virtue simply of our closeness; not on the basis of merit rights and entitlements, but by virtue of mutual need and its affectionate reciprocation”

  2. “Freedom and the ability to make permanent, eternal decisions … and acts of fidelity…that stand in radical defiance of our finitude”

  3. “Dignity and the unique role of the individual



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Ep. 48 Jonathan Bi: Rene Girard - Social Pressure, True and False Desires, Sacrifice, and Belief16 Dec 202201:59:23

In this episode I speak with Jonathan Bi about the ideas of Rene Girard, social pressure, authentic and false desires, victims and scapegoats, persecution, and Girardian theories on imitation and violence. We also discuss how Girard’s work sheds light on woke capitalism, right and left totalitarianism, Max Scheler, Hannah Arendt, Alexis de Tocqueville, and more. We discuss many themes including:

  • Christianity and Girard’s theory and the secularization and falsification of Christian values such as how humanitarianism and pacificism replace charity and peace and justice and more.

  • Evangelical Counsels and The Rule of St. Benedict as a response to metaphysical desire

  • Different views of the problem of evil: Hegel, Rousseau, Ratzinger, Solzhenitsyn, Girard

  • Human Perfectibility and Utopianism

  • Hope and Progress

  • Benedict XVI Spe Salvi

  • On the goodness of being in the Hebrew Bible, New Testament, and St. Augustine.

  • There is no technical solution to the problems of evil, suffering, of death

  • Embedded complexity, the dignity of labor, linear time, and how we live in a Christian civilization

  • Girard’s explanation of how scapegoating others for their behavior reveals that we too would be guilty — and why it is folly to think with confidence that we would not go along with the crowd if we lived under the Nazis or a slaveholding society

We begin a discussion on the atonement, Girard’s views and how to think about sacrifice — that we’ll have to finish in more detail

We also have a discussion about Christianity and Buddhism and religious belief. I hope you enjoy.

Biography

Jonathan Bi is an entrepreneur working on a startup in FinTech and a philosopher focusing on Buddhist philosophy, Continental philosophy, and specifically the work of Rene Girard. Among his many projects he and David Perell have created a seven session video course on the ideas of Rene Girard. Originally from China, Jonathan also grew up in Canada, and studied computer science at Columbia.

 

https://johnathanbi.com/

 

Resources

Jonathan Bi and David Perell Lectures on Girard

On the Atonement — we just got into this briefly, but didn’t have enough time or preparation to address it sufficiently. I am going to have another episode on the atonement, and also on Girard and the atonement, but here are two links to Catholic resources view of the atonement

 New Advent

Catholic Catechism

 

 



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Ep. 47 Rachel Ferguson, Ph.D: Exclusion & Opportunity - Black Liberation Through the Marketplace28 Oct 202201:24:26

In this episode I speak with Rachel Ferguson about her book Black Liberation Through the Marketplace: Hope, Heartbreak, and the Promise of America, co-authored with Marcus Witcher. The book address issues of social justice, exclusion, opportunity, race and discrimination, classical liberalism, and the economic history of African Americans since the civil war.

Themes we discuss include

  • Racism and exclusion from justice, property, and rule of law

  • Classical Liberalism

  • Property Rights

  • Freedom of Contract

  • Education

  • History of Injustices post Civil War

  • Convict Leasing

  • Lynching

  • Jim Crow

  • Progressivism

  • Eugenics

  • Sterilization

  • Minimum Wage and its racist and eugenic underpinnings

  • Urban Renewal

  • Highways, transportation and the breakdown of African American and ethnic communities

  • Eminent Domain

  • African American towns and civil society

  • 1619 Project and its errors

  • Family and the Sexual Revolution

  • Contraception

  • Entrepreneurship

  • Civil Society

  • Alexis de Tocqueville

  • Applied economics

  • Criminal Justice reform

  • Black Churches as a central part of community

  • Decentralization, Associational Life, and Welfare before the Welfare State

We discuss a number of writers including

  • Fredrick Douglass

  • Zora Neale Hurston

  • Booker T. Washington

  • Malcom X

  • Friedrich Hayek

  • Anthony Bradley

Biography

Rachel Ferguson, Ph.D. is an economic philosopher and Director of the Free Enterprise Center at Concordia University, Chicago. She has published in Discourse, The Journal of Markets and Morality, and the Library of Economics and Liberty. She has a Ph.D. in philosophy from St. Louis University. She is actively involved in community building and empowering marginalized entrepreneurs through LOVEtheLOU and Gateway to Flourishing

 

https://www.rachelfergusononline.com/

 

Resources

We mention a lot of books during the podcast. See below for links. Other things discussed include:

Rachel Ferguson Essay: Let’s do Philanthropy that Actually Works

Robert Woodson and the Woodson Center

 

Podcast with Anthony Bradley on Over-criminalization

MMM on Eugenics is Back

Benefits Cliffs

Russell Hittinger on Technology and Contraception

Podcast with Mary Eberstadt on the Sexual Revolution

Poverty, Inc.



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Ep. 46 Bill Rivers: Last Summer Boys A Novel about Family, Honor, and the Power of Community20 Oct 202201:11:21

peak with Bill Rivers about this novel, Last Summer Boys. The novel is about a rural Pennsylvania family and the adventures of three boys and a cousin and set in the tumultuous summer of 1968 with the Vietnam war, the assignations of Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King.  

“Summer 1968. When thirteen-year-old Jack Elliot overhears the barbershop men grousing, he devises a secret plan to keep his oldest brother, Pete, from the draft. If famous boys don’t go to war, he’ll make his brother their small town’s biggest celebrity. Jack gets unexpected help when his book-smart cousin Frankie arrives in their rural Pennsylvania town for the summer. Together, they convince Jack’s brothers to lead an expedition to find a fighter jet that crashed many winters ago―the perfect adventure to make Pete a hero.”

We discuss a number of themes including 

  • Family

  • Justice

  • Honor

  • Civil Society

  • Principle of Subsidiarity

  • Anger

  • Tensions between economic progress and family and social stability

  • Tensions between rural and urban communities

  • Writing and story development 

  • Moral imagination 

  • 1968 Cultural and Sexual Revolutions

  • Alexis de Tocqueville

  • Robert Nisbet

  • Louis L’amour 

  • Property

  • Crony capitalism, eminent domain and more 

Resources

Bill Rivers on Instagram

Bill Rivers on Twitter

Kirk Center for Cultural Renewal

Related Podcasts

Mary Eberstadt: Who are You? Conversation on the sexual revolution, family and her book Primal Screams

Carlo Lancelotti on Augusto Del Noce —Shift from Christian Bourgeois to Pure Bourgeois



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Ep. 45 Paul McLaughlin PsyD, Mark R. McMinn PhD: Can Wisdom be Cultivated?21 Sep 202202:00:17

In this episode I speak with two psychologists, Paul McLaughlin PsyD and Mark R. McMinn PhD, about their book A Time for Wisdom. The provide a unique perspective by examining wisdom from a psychological viewpoint.

They divide it into 4 categories, both to explain and provide a guide to develop wisdom in our lives.

Knowledge

  • Factual Knowledge,Know-How, self-knowledge and what they call “Enriched Knowledge,” the core of wisdom.

Detachment

  • Not only from material things, but from ideas and ideology. Detachment enables mental freedom, strengthens our capacity grieve, and is the bridge between knowledge and tranquility

Tranquility

  • Not apathy, but shifting our inner equilibrium, and helps us regulate our emotions

  • Tranquility helps us to cultivate awe, gratitude, peace, and what C.S. Lewis calls “reasonable emotions.”

Transcendence

  • Ability to go beyond ourselves and avoid the temptation to individualism

We discuss a number of themes including:

  • Is wisdom a state or a trait? Can it be developed? Is it domain dependent?

  • The tension between solidity and fluidity, between rigid thinking and relativism. How do we keep our minds open and not fall into what Benedict XVI has called the “dictatorship of relativism.”

  • The positive and negative parts of Jordan Peterson’s idea about exploring our dark side compared to mystical Catholic writers

  • Psychedelics as ersatz religion

  • You are not every thought you have

  • Anxiety

  • Obsessive Compulsive thoughts

  • Forgiveness and the goodness of being

  • Positive psychology

  • Narcisism

  • Mike Tyson’s theory that “everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face.”

  • How to think about increases anxiety and depression

  • My critique of the Individualism / Collectivism dichotomy

  • Tocqueville’s analysis of individualism and centralization

  • Can you measure wisdom?

  • Does wisdom increase over time?

  • Aristotle’s concept of phronesis

  • Gnosticism and Materialism as an obstacles to wisdom

  • Teleology — ends and purposes. Aristotle — the human person has an end and purpose to give you self direction

  • Transcendentals — goodness, truth, beauty

  • How suffering and sitting with people who suffer helps us grow in wisdom

  • The tension between holding onto your deeply held beliefs and yet remaining open to new ideas

  • Confirmation Bias vs. Epistemic Humility

Related Podcasts

James Madden Podcast, Embodied and Embedded Persons

James Poulos: Digital Politics and Spiritual War

Carlo Lancellotti: Augusto Del Noce and the shift to pure bourgeois

Jaron Lanier on Technology and Behavior Modification

Luke Burgis on Mimetic Desire, Rene Girard, and commercial society



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Ep. 44 Deion Kathawa: Technology, Religion, and Humanity in a Post-Human Age19 Aug 202201:45:32
In this episode of The Moral Imagination Podcast I speak with Deion Kathawa about his essays at Public Discourse Technology and Dignity. We discuss a number of topics including
  • digital technology
  • social media
  • biotech
  • genetic engineering
  • CRISPR
  • post and trans-humanism
  • transgenderism
  • technology and power
  • how tech effects the rich and the poor and middle class
Kathawa argues that the new digital and biotechnology threaten our human in explicit and implicit ways from distraction to liquidation to degradation and that we need not only better law, but authentic religious practice, liturgy, and human friendship to resist these threats.
We discuss the religious and philosophical sources of transhumanism from materialism to gnosticism, and human perfectibility and various thinkers including C.S. Lewis and Robert P. George. We also discuss the difference between transhumanist / transgender philosophy which sees the body as either malleable that needs perfection or the body and sexuality as something to escape from in contrast to the Christian view of the being and the body as good and part of who we are as embodied, embedded persons.   Biography
Deion Kathawa is a law clerk at the Michigan Supreme court he has a law degree from the University Of Notre Dame and an undergraduate degree from the university of Michigan.  He writes for numerous outlets including The American Mind, Public Discourse, and his Substack Sed Kontra

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Ep. 43: Orthodox Judaism, Leo Strauss, and Baruch Spinoza’s Critique of Religion19 Jul 202201:45:17

In this episode I speak with Jeffrey Bloom and Rabbi Jeremy Kagan about the book Spinoza, Strauss, and Sinai: Orthodox Judaism and Modern Questions of Faith published by Kodesh Press . The book is a collection of essays edited by Jeffrey Bloom, Alec Goldstein, and Gil Student.

Jeffrey Bloom grew up secular, Jewish family and the idea of actually practicing Orthodox Judaism was outside of the realm of possibility.  He studied at University of Chicago where he took a class with Professor Leon Kass on Genesis. (see book link below) This was the first time that he took religion seriously.  He notes that as a child of divorce— he wanted stronger family life, and he was attracted to Orthodox Judaism, but still  questioned whether it was reasonable. This led him to read Strauss critique of Spinoza’s critique of religious belief.  The Enlightenment philosopher, Baruch Spinoza argued that religious belief was irrational. But in his book, Spinoza’s Critique of Religion, Leo Strauss argued that while the enlightenment with Spinoza and his heirs claimed to refuted orthodox belief, they in fact did not.  Strauss claimed that as long as orthodoxy is willing to make the concession that they can’t “know” and only “believe” the tenets of Judaism, then it is plausible and no weaker a position that rationalism because that is precisely what Spinoza is doing—when pressed, Enlightenment rationalism, like religion, rests on acts of “faith” in tenets that it cannot prove. 

Strauss’ argument opened up questions about reason, belief, truth, access to reality and more, and what it did for Bloom was make orthodox Judaism rationally and intellectually plausible. As Rabbi Jeremy Kagan puts it, “carved out a space for the Torah” and religion belief and practice.

Yet Bloom had another question—Strauss opened the door to religious belief, but what did Orthodox Jews think about the arguments of both Spinoza critique of religion, and Strauss’ critique of Spinoza? Bloom gathered a group of Orthodox believers, Rabbis, computer scientists, philosophers, to address the question: Is the argument of Strauss any good?  Are there better replies to the critique of religion than Strauss provides? 

This book is relevant for many reasons— There is a sense that the Enlightenment and science and empiricism has proved that orthodox religion, Judaism and Christianity, is intellectually unserious and untenable, and many people hold this to be the case. Secular thinkers and atheists often critiques religion for its faith but they don’t realize they that rely on a host of non-empirical assumptions that uphold their beliefs.  For example, why is reason is better than non - reason and how can one prove it in empirical means?  

We discuss several essays including those by Jeffrey Bloom, Rabbi Kagan, Rabbi Shalom Carmy who argues that Strauss’ arguments are not compelling, and Moshe Koppel’s essay, “Why Revelation and not Orbiting Teapots” which makes the distinction between orthodox belief and superstition and more. 

This is a complex discussion that addresses some of the big underlying questions about faith and science, reason and belief, different forms of knowledge, the value of religious observance, and some of the main themes of the Moral Imagination Podcast. I hope you enjoy.



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Ep. 42: Jeremy Tate: Whoever Owns the Test Owns the Curriculum: Classic Learning v. Industrial Model01 Jul 202201:11:56

In this episode, I speak with Jeremy Tate, the founder of the Classic Learning Test about school testing, curriculum, and the classical versus industrial models of education. Jeremy argues that the current testing regime of the SAT and ACT have a tremendous influence on the curriculum taught in public and private schools. They promote a utilitarian vision of learning and drive students away from the classical Western tradition and serious reflection on what makes a good life. In response, Jeremy and his team developed the Classic Learning Test not only to be a better, more rigorous test, but to positively influence the curriculum toward more serious reading, and introduce students to the classic texts of the Western Tradition and those which shaped the founding of the United States, By ignoring these texts, the current testing and curricula regimes exclude students from engagement with the tradition. One of Tate’s colleagues noted that she could go from Kindergarten through a Ph.D. without reading Homer, Plato, or Shakespeare. This unfamiliarity with the tradition makes people unaware of history and complexity, unable to make distinctions, and thus more susceptible to propaganda and manipulation. It excludes the poor from opportunity and indoctrinates the elites into utilitarian and progressive ideas that they think are simply facts. As C.S. Lewis described, “10 years hence” we can find ourselves on the side of the philosophical controversy that we didn’t even know was up for debate.

We discuss a number of themes including

  • The revival of classical education

  • Whether you should go to college or not?

  • Education and virtue

  • Human Formation

  • C.S. Lewis's The Abolition of Man

  • Eustace Scrubb and the Chronicles of Narnia

  • Elite students focus on test scores rather than on learning

  • Scientists with no sense of history or complexity

  • The problems with critical thinking 

  • The false dichotomy of Facts vs. Opinions

  • How moral and value judgments are reduced to opinions and more.

 

Biography

Jeremy Tate is the founder and CEO of the Classic Learning Test. Jeremy is also the host of the Anchored Podcast, CLT's top 2% global podcast that features discussions at the intersection of education and culture. Prior to founding CLT, Jeremy served as Director of College Counseling at Mount de Sales Academy in Catonsville, Maryland. He received his Bachelor of Science in Secondary Education from Louisiana State University and a Masters in Religious Studies from Reformed Theological Seminary. Jeremy and his wife Erin reside in Annapolis, Maryland with their six children. You can find Jeremy on Twitter @JeremyTate41.

Resources

Classic Learning Test

For more on C.S. Lewis The Abolition of Man - See my interview with Michael Ward

 

For more on classical education see my interview with Heidi White and the importance of reading good books, my interview with Elizabeth Corey

Jeremy Tate: Not Another Test, The Right Test



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Podcast Episode 41: Michael Ward: A Guide to C.S. Lewis’ The Abolition of Man 07 Jun 202201:09:44

In this episode, I speak with Michael Ward about his book, After Humanity: A Guide to C.S. Lewis The Abolition of Man.  I think The Abolition of Man is of the most important books in the twentieth century. It addresses important issues that are relevant today — from what it means to be human, reason, passion, and the emotions, to how to think about technology, power, and beauty. It’s a short book but can be a bit difficult to understand at times, and Michael Ward does a great service by going through the book line by line and explaining and providing context to make the book easier to follow. 

We discuss key themes of The Abolition of Man

  • whether beauty and morality are objective or purely subjective
  • education
  • power and authority
  • honor
  • nobility
  • sacrifice for others, 
  • dystopian fiction
  • technology and technocracy 
  • contraception
  • and how man’s power over nature ends up being man’s power over other men

 We also discuss the relationship between the Abolition of Man, Eustace Scrubb, and Lewis’ The Chronicles of Narnia and the space trilogy, Out of the Silent Planet, Perelandra, and That Hideous Strength.  

Word on Fire Special Offer: After Humanity + Abolition of Man  

Biography 

Michael Ward is an English literary critic and theologian. He works at the University of Oxford where he is a member of the Faculty of Theology and Religion. He is the author of the award-winning Planet Narnia: The Seven Heavens in the Imagination of C.S. Lewis (Oxford University Press) and co-editor of The Cambridge Companion to C.S. Lewis (Cambridge University Press).

Though based at Oxford in his native England, Dr Ward is also employed as Professor of Apologetics at Houston Baptist University, Texas, teaching one course per semester as part of the online MA program in Christian Apologetics.

On the fiftieth anniversary of Lewis’s death (22 November 2013), Professor Ward unveiled a permanent national memorial to him in Poets’ Corner, Westminster Abbey.  He is the co-editor of a volume of commemorative essays marking the anniversary, entitled C.S. Lewis at Poets’ Corner.

Michael Ward presented the BBC television documentary, The Narnia Code, directed and produced by BAFTA-winning filmmaker, Norman Stone.  He authored an accompanying book entitled The Narnia Code: C.S. Lewis and the Secret of the Seven Heavens.

Michael was resident Warden of The Kilns, Lewis’s Oxford home, from 1996 to 1999.  He studied English at Oxford, Theology at Cambridge, and has a Ph.D. in Divinity from St Andrews.  He was Senior Research Fellow at Blackfriars Hall, Oxford (2012-2021).  He has been awarded honorary doctorates in Humane Letters (Hillsdale College, Michigan, 2015) and Sacred Theology (Thorneloe University, Ontario, 2021).

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Podcast Ep. 40 Mary Eberstadt: Who are You? Family, Politics, and the Hunger for Identity 14 May 202201:29:52

In the episode I speak with Mary Eberstadt about her latest book Primal Screams: How the Sexual Revolution Created Identity Politics. She argues that the revolutionary changes to family structure across the western world: fatherlessness, divorce, abortion, single parent homes, the shrinking of the family –have caused deep hurt in people and that many of the social problems we face today are manifestations of a “primal scream” for belonging.

 Eberstadt explains that the breakdown of the family has resulted in a widespread subtraction: we have a much smaller protective infrastructure around us than our ancestors did. While many people connect family decline to individual things like loneliness or educational achievement, it also has large macro impacts. She argues that primary cause of political rage, identity politics, gender confusion, and more is rooted in the breakdownof the family and people’s struggle to answer the question “Who am I?”  

Primal Screams is a very important book that combines an empirical examination with a real empathy for people who suffer from the impact of the sexual revolution and the break down of the family.

We discuss a number of issues including:  

  • Loneliness in the elderly and the young

  • The rise in psychiatric problems among Generation Z and Millennials

  • What we can learn from animal behavior and family structure

  • How the sexual revolution harms women and children and only benefits predatory men.

  • Transgenderism

  • The #MeToo Movement

  • The role of abuse and sexual dysphoria

  • The lack of siblings and the problem of social learning

  • The Myth of the Lone Wolf

  • The Trend of Incels

  • The Great Resignation

  • How Feminism creates problems for both girls and boys

  • Masculinity and Decline of Males

  • Declines in Fertility

  • Contraception

  • Critiques and replies to her argument by Mark Lilla, Peter Thiel, and Rod Dreher

Biography

Mary Eberstadt holds the Panula Chair at the Catholic Information Center in Washington, DC, and is a Senior Research Fellow at the Faith and Reason Institute. Her latest book is Primal Screams: How the Sexual Revolution Created Identity Politics, with commentaries by Rod Dreher, Mark Lilla, and Peter Thiel. 

Her other books include It's Dangerous to Believe; How the West Really Lost God; and Adam and Eve after the Pill. Mrs. Eberstadt’s writing has appeared in many magazines and journals. [Her 2010 novel The Loser Letters, about a young woman in rehab struggling with atheism, was adapted for stage and premiered at Catholic University in fall 2017. Seton Hall University awarded her an honorary doctorate in humane letters in 2014. During the Reagan administration, she was a speechwriter to Secretary of State George Shultz and a special assistant to Ambassador Jeane J. Kirkpatrick at the United Nations. Updates about her work can be found on her website, maryeberstadt.com

 

Resources

Mary Eberstadt Website: maryeberstadt.com

Podcast interview with Carrie Gress on Feminism

Podcast Interview with Noelle Mering on Awake Not Woke

My lecture on Robert Nisbet and the decline and quest for community



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Ep.57 The Decline of Christianity, the Rise of the “Nones” and Philosophies of the Person that Shape Unbelief26 Feb 202400:42:42
This episode of the Moral Imagination Podcast is a talk I gave at AmPhil’s Center for Civil Society conference in November, 2023 on the “Rise of the Nones.”   According to Pew Research, those who declare no religious affiliation - None -  are now the largest religious category in the United States.
In this talk I address several overarching reasons for the decline of Christianity and address how five dominant visions of the human person including person as a cog or scourge, transhumanism & transgenderism, plastic anthropology, and the person as a commodity — also play a key role not only in despair and anxiety, but contribute both to the decline of Christian belief and the rise of secularism and pantheism/new paganism.
This talk is a thematic overview and distillation of two longer lectures I give on five false anthropologies and 10 reasons for unbelief and the decline of Christianity. Some of the topics I address include
  • Breakdown of the Family - specifically decrease in fatherhood participation, and its impact on religious practice
  • Sexual Revolution  - disorients the person and relationships between men and women
  • Feminism & Smashing the Patriarchy — “Flight from Woman”
  • Egalitarianism and Pantheism - Tocqueville’s prediction of the rise of pantheism in democratic societies
  • Technology + Technological Society:
  • Practical: use of technology and propaganda
  • Theoretical: Empiricist rationality is incoherent and severs relationship between affectivity and reason
  • Scientism: vision of a technical solution to evil, sin, suffering
  • Humanitarianism and what I call “Almost Christianity”
  • Failures of the Church: scandal, corruption, assimilation, and failure to teach and catechize
  • Loss of non-linguistic catechesis
  • When people are leaving Christianity today, do they know what they are leaving?
  •  Confusion about the nature and destiny of the human person and what it means to be an embodied person  
  • Plastic Anthropology —malleable based on feelings
  • Transhumanism / Transgenderism - combination of biology and technology
  • Person as Cog
  • Person as Scourge
  • Person as Commodity — Everything becomes an object of trade. Del Noce’s concept of Pure Bourgeois
  • Conclude with several suggestions to address the loss of faith and confusions over anthropology
  • Re-affirm that Being is good and intelligible - Our bodies are good
  • Each person is a subject and not simply an object
  • Defend Reason and Freedom
  • We are embodied and Embedded Persons— our bodies are not accidental
  • Thinkers I address include Augusto Del Noce, Joseph Ratzinger, C.S. Lewis, Henri DeLubac, Carrie Gress, Karl Stern, Christopher Palmer, Jaron Lanier, Max Scheler, Joseph Pieper, John Paul II
  • See www.themoralimagination.com for book links and related podcasts.
  AmPhil Center For Civil Society - Nonprofit Educational Leader Leading educational provider for nonprofit fundraising learning the Center for Civil Society is the go to for major gifts, campaigns, strategy, and... Time to read 8 minutes Dec 22nd, 2022   AmPhil Rise Of The Nones Nonprofit Conference Nov 7-8 Scottsdale. AZ Leading scholars, philanthropists, and nonprofit leaders will discuss the rise in secularism, decline in church attendance, and other related trends, and... (352 kB) https://amphil.com/event/c4cs-riseofnones/     Pew Research Center's Religion & Public Life Project Religious ‘Nones’ in America: Who They Are and What They Believe 28% of U.S. adults are religiously unaffiliated, describing themselves as atheists, agnostics or “nothing in particular” when asked about their religion. Written by Gregory A. Smith, Patricia Tevington, Justin Nortey, Michael Rotolo, Asta Kallo and Becka A. Alper

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Ep. 39 Marcel Guarnizo: What is Justice 13 Apr 202201:54:38

What is Justice?  What do we owe to each other? The theme of justice is core issue of all human societies and pervades myth and philosophy.  Plato’s Republic and Gorgias are reflections on justice and the right ordering of the soul and society. So is Aristotle’s Politics.  The Hebrew Bible, the Tao Te Ching, the Analects of Confucius, the writings of Buddhism, and the Stoics all contain reflections on justice.  C.S. Lewis notes in his appendix to the Abolition of Man that in every land and every culture there is a “Tao,” a way of being in the world that affirms what is good and condemns what is bad.  Despite the universal hungering for justice, injustice seems to be the way of man.  Against Plato stands Thrasymachus and Callicles, the tyrant and the sophist who want to reduce justice to power.  

In this episode I speak with Marcel Gaurnizo about the nature of justice. We discuss the definition of justice — giving each what is due.  We discuss how justice is not simply a social or political condition but a human virtue that requires a consistent act of the will.

Marcel explains how the shift from metaphysical view of justice to political justice opens the door to the dictatorship and tyranny of the majority or injustice through procedural methods. We discuss the Plato’s story of the ring of Gyges which makes the wearer invisible just like Bilbo and Frodo in the Lord of the Rings — and thus free from any punishment. Would we have strength to do the right thing even if we would never get in trouble for doing what is wrong? As Marcel notes, the ring of Gyges is all around us.  There are many things that are legal—that we will not be punished for — but which are evil and unjust.

Marcel also walks us through different species of justice — commutative (exchange) and distributive.  He explains how many of the errors we make about legal, economic, and social justice —both on the right and the left — often come from a misunderstanding of the difference between commutative and distributive justice, e.g. we apply commutative justice to the family.

Marcel argues that one of the problems we have today on the right and left is that we are not formed in correct thinking about justice is that In this conversation there are some detailed discussions, but in a time where there the word “justice” is used so frequently and where there is so much confusion, I think it is very worthwhile.

Some of the themes and thinkers we discuss include: 

  • Justice as a virtue

  • Economic justice of exchange

  • Social Justice

  • Family vs. Market

  • Gary Becker and the error of applying commutative justice to the family

  • John Rawls and the shift to political and procedural justice

  • Socialist view of justice

  • Marxism

  • Philosophical Materialism

  • Aristotle’s Politics 

  • Plato’s Republic 

  • St. Thomas Aquinas Treatise on Justice 

  • Friedrich Nietzsche

  • Monasteries

  • Catholic Social Teaching

  • John Rawls and the transformation of justice into political justice.

  • Relativism

  • Post-Modernism

  • Human Nature — what kind of thing we are

  • Individualism, the market, and the state

  • Poverty and Distribution

Biography

Marcel Gaurnizo is a philosopher and theologian. He spent many years in Europe and has founded a number of institutions including an academy in Austria to teach philosophy, ethics, and politics, and was president of Aid to the Church in Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union.

Resources

Whittaker Chambers: Big Sister is Watching You

The Second Coming, Poem by William Butler Yeats



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Ep. 38: Dr. Margarita Mooney Nicaraguan Journey: From Technocracy to Solidarity through Small Acts of Love 23 Mar 202201:05:36
In the episode, I speak with Professor Margarita Mooney about her time in Nicaragua and how these experiences shaped her scholarly work and teaching at the intersection of sociology and philosophy.  

Margarita tells a story of her time in Nicaragua and how a weekend trip to a political rally in a small community where she almost was kidnapped challenged her assumptions about elite education in the United States.  Margarita explains how her engagement with poor women farmers and micro-entrepreneurs helped her realize the power of small acts of love and solidarity to help alleviate the problems of violence from the bottom up – and how these things are neither taught nor accounted for at elite universities where a technocratic approach reigns.  Margarita discusses how sociology does not address the problem of evil but rather sees it as a social or structural problem, but this does not align with ethnographic studies and the real work of talking to people about their experiences of war and violence.

 

Margarita talks about her founding of the Scala Foundation to address questions of meaning, beauty, and wisdom because she was worried that many Ivy League and other universities are creating a culture of resentment and anger for people who are genuinely concerned about justice but don’t have a framework to understand justice, subsidiarity, solidarity, truth, and law outside of power and politics.

 

As she explains in her essay “Why Choose Mystery over Ideology”

 

“The void left by the denigration of beauty and a classical liberal arts education is directing more and more people to “woke” social justice activism or alt-right movements because those movements offer them meaning, purpose, and hope, as well as community and a sense of belonging. Others burn out psychologically or resort to social isolation because trust and intimacy are hard to experience. Yet others resort to drugs, pornography, or another temporary pleasure to fill the void. Still, others pursue ambitious and demanding careers without reflecting on how they should live or why they exist to begin with. The result is skyrocketing rates of anxiety, depression, and suicide. Educational institutions have not succeeded in addressing these problems, leading many people to seek alternatives to feed their minds and souls.”

Any conversation with Margarita Mooney is interesting and wide-ranging and we discuss a number of broad themes and thinkers including:

  • Subsidiarity and Solidarity
  • Fascination with Violence
  • Rene Girard
  • Jacques Maritain
  • Participation as a remedy to alienation
  • The Nicaraguan Civil War -- Contras and Sandinista
  • Haiti
  • St. Thomas Aquinas on just war, violence, and pacifism
  • Solidarity as a means to inclusion
  • Solidarity Structures, institutions, property rights, law, exchange, are required to serve families
  • Family as a place of moral formation
  • The proper role of government
  •     The Bruderhof Communities and Plough Magazine
  • Edmund Burke’s ideas about society as a “partnership” among the living, dead, and yet to be born
  • Commutative Justice — exchange
  • John Paul II on participation
  • The documentary, Poverty, Inc.
  • Rwandan Genocide and Rwandan reconciliation
  • Integration of the Virtues
  • Moral Formation
  • Sin and Redemption
  • Law and Justice
  • Beauty
  • Ideology and the closed systems that close of access to the transcendent
  • Hopelessness
  • Critique of utilitarianism that reduces the value to the economic value
  • The dangers of cultural imperialism
  • Virtues –Cardinal Virtues, Daughters of Virtues and Vices
  •     Augusto Del Noce
  • Luigi Giussani on Education
  • Karl Stern –poetic knowledge in The Flight from Woman

Biography

Margarita Mooney is an Associate Professor in the Department of Practical Theology at Princeton Theological Seminary. She teaches courses on the philosophy of social science, Christianity and the liberal arts tradition, aesthetics, research methods for congregational leaders, and sociology of religion.

Margarita founded Scala Foundation in 2016 and continues to serve as Scala’s Executive Director. Scala’s mission is to infuse meaning and purpose into American education by restoring a classical liberal arts education. At Scala’s conferences, reading groups, seminars, webinars, student trips, intellectual retreats, and intensive summer program, Scala equips students, writers, artists, intellectuals and teachers with the ideas and networks needed to revitalize culture.

Margarita’s most recent book with Cluny Media, The Love of Learning: Seven Dialogues on the Liberal Arts (2021), grew out of her decades of experience as a teacher and scholar. Her book Faith Makes Us Live: Surviving and Thriving in the Haitian Diaspora (University of California Press, 2009) demonstrated how religious communities support the successful adaptation of Haitian immigrants in the U.S., Canada and France, and she’s the co-author (with Camille Z. Charles, Mary S. Fischer, and Douglas S. Massey) of Taming the River: Negotiating the Academic, Financial, and Social Currents in Selective Colleges and Universities (Princeton University Press, 2009).

Margarita received her B.A. in Psychology from Yale University and her M.A and Ph.D. in Sociology from Princeton University. She has also been on the faculty at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Yale University, Princeton University, and Pepperdine University.

https://www.bruderhof.com/

https://www.povertyinc.org/

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Ep. 37: James Poulos: Digital Politics & Spiritual War 11 Mar 202200:55:11

In this episode, I speak with James Poulos about his book, Human, Forever: The Digital Politics of Spiritual War. We discuss a wide variety of themes including technology, human memory, what it means to be an embodied person. James argues that instead of worrying about an impending crisis, we need to realize that it has already happened — Digital entities have taken over. We need to recognize this, figure out what has happened, and orient our senses and sensibilities around what technology does, how it changes us, and how we can work with and use technology to affirm our humanity.  Part of this includes using technology better which is one of the reasons he argues for the importance of Bitcoin.

Poulos argues that we are at Generation Zero— the first generation of the digital age. This brings with it a heightened responsibility for fatherhood, memory, ancestry, knowing who we are and where we come from. Understanding our humanity, our embodiment, the value of suffering, and that human memory is distinct and essential to our human identity can help us become resistant and not succumb to digital devices, but put technology at the service of our humanity.  

We discuss a number of themes and thinkers including

  • Tele-visual technology and the culture of the imagination and the shift to the digital medium and machine memory   

  • Social Credit system in China— and the rising social credit system in the West 

  • Human faculty of memory 

  • The return of analogy as a mode of thinking through human problems 

  • Political Theology in China, Russia, Europe, and the US 

  • Continuing Gnostic movements in the West

  • The Medium is the Message

  • Human Consciousness  

  • Mind and Brain 

  • Post-Humanism - Trans-humanism - Transgenderism  

  • Digital Cyborgs

  • Human Identity

  • Artificial Intelligence

  • Embodiment and the Christian Dogma of Resurrection of the Body 

  • Marshall MacLuhan 

  • Romano Guardini 

  • Marianna Mazucatto

  • Karl Stern

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Ep. 36: Carter Snead: Law, Power, and Bioethics: What it Means to Be Human, 01 Sep 202101:52:57

In this episode, I speak with Professor Carter Snead about his book, What it Means to be Human: The Case for the Body in Public Bioethics.

We discuss how the dominant view of the human person forgets the body and ignores our social nature, and how this plays out in law which further shapes our moral lives and cultural attitudes. Snead argues that contemporary law in bioethics around issues like abortion, euthanasia, and IVF is actually applied philosophy of the person that favors the strong over the vulnerable and dependent.

We discuss how the dominant anthropology today — what Alasdair MacIntyre called expressive individualism — represents only a part of what we are as human beings. It fails to address our embedded-ness in families and society and our mutual indebtedness and dependence on others. We talk about how a richer philosophy of the person that is more aligned with the reality of our lived experience is needed to make better law.

We also discuss Alasdair MacIntyre's work on the the person and friendship and the ideas of un-calculated giving and receiving. We also discuss some of the virtues and habits that are needed to build a society where this richer view of the person can be lived.

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Ep. 35: Jessica Hooten Wilson, Ph.D.: Literature and Totalitarianism 23 Aug 202101:07:08

In this episode, I speak with Professor Jessica Hooten Wilson about her writing and research on literature and totalitarianism. We discuss how both violence and entertainment and distraction are used a tools of state control. We discuss Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury, some of the writings of Alexander Solzhenitsyn, and Julia Alvarez's novel, In the Time of Butterflies, about life under the Trujillo dictatorship in the Dominican Republic. We also discuss Victor Frankl, Josef Pieper, Michael O'Brien, Tocqueville's idea of "soft despotism", and Neil Postman's argument in In Amusing Ourselves to Death about Huxley's Brave New World and George Orwell's 1984. Wilson notes that these novelists take evil seriously, but are also careful not simply villainize the opposition so as to increase our understanding and self-awareness, and help prevent us from falling into the trap of another ideology.

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Ep. 34: Heidi White: What is Classical Education?04 Aug 202101:31:05

What is education for? In the episode, I speak with Heidi White about classical education and human flourishing. We discuss why classical education is important to pass down a cultural memory and why reading good literature and classic texts matters on multiple levels. We discuss the difference between a modern, contemporary education and a classical vision of education, the relationship between classical education and religious education, and how STEM and classical education can relate together. We talk about literature, poetry, science, and the idea of poetic knowledge. We also discuss some of the critiques, challenges, and weaknesses of classical education, and how classical education can provide an exit from the contemporary, utilitarian, ideological, and propagandist model that is dominant today.

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Ep. 33: Elizabeth Corey, Ph.D.: Life Beyond Politics21 Jul 202101:44:51

In this episode, I speak with Elizabeth Corey about life beyond politics, friendship, learning, and the work of Michael Oakeshott. We discuss a wide range of issues, including rationalism and politics, the value of the reading of classic texts, and Oakeshott's idea of different modes of engaging with the world: the practical, scientific, historical, and poetic.

We discuss Eric Voegelin, Russell Kirk, Gertrude Himmelfarb, Rod Dreher, what it means to be a conservative, and some recent developments in the conservative political movement. We talk about the importance of carving out spaces outside the political sphere, including building functional, decentralized civil associations, and practicing the things we defend: reading good books, playing music, conversation, and trying to live a good life. We also discuss whether in 2021 it is really possible today to escape the intrusion of politics into so many spheres of life.

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Ep. 32: James Madden, Ph.D.: The Recovery of the Self: Embodied and Embedded Persons14 Jul 202101:39:18

In this episode, I speak with James Madden about his book, "Mind, Matter, and Nature", about philosophy of mind, and what it means to be an embodied and an embedded person. We discuss how the loss of a sense of ourselves as embodied and embedded leads to a loss of contact with the world and ultimately to nihilism. We discuss competing visions of the person—materialism, dualism and Aristotle's and St. Thomas Aquinas' idea of Hylomorphism—a union of form and matter—and what it means for a person to lead a good life. We talk about a number of issues including trans-humanism, the idea of uploading ourselves, neuroscience, Aristotle's four causes, Bob the Chameleon, Heidegger's critique of Technology, and Aristotle's ethics as a response to Sophocles Oedipus cycle. If you are interested in what it means to be a person, you will enjoy this wide ranging episode with James Madden.

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Ep. 31: Titus Techera and Flagg Taylor: Communism and Film: Deceit, Privacy, Art, and the Effects of Tyranny on the Soul29 Mar 202102:14:57

In this episode, I speak with Titus Techera and Flagg Taylor about several films that address communism and the effects of tyranny and deceit on the human soul. We discuss themes of courage, freedom, privacy, shame, the purpose and role of art, and how we can become comprised over time by assenting to falsehood. We discuss how these films portray the challenges for regular people and how the experience of living under communism has lessons for us today. We also discuss the question of art and its relation to beauty, truth, and morality.

Films we discuss include Florian Henckel von Donnersmarck's "The Lives of Others", about the spying of East German Stasi, and "Never Look Away", about Nazi and Communist totalitarianism, eugenics, truth, and the role of art. We also discuss the brilliant Polish film by Andrzej Wajda, "Katyn", about the Soviet murder of 12,000 Polish army officers, "Mr. Jones", about the Ukrainian Genocide by the Soviet Union, and more.

These films are morally serious and very important for many reasons, not only because they clearly present the evils of communism, but because they powerfully reveal the challenges of living under totalitarianism and make us wrestle with our own weaknesses and corruption. They don't let us off the hook easily or simplify the difficulties. They also challenge us to self-introspection. As a character in "Katyn" says, "What does it matter that you think differently, if you don't act or live differently?"

Warning: these films are not for children. They have some disturbing scenes, and I discuss some of my critiques in the podcast.

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Ep. 30: Jay Richards: Fasting, Prayer, and Ketosis: How Modern Science and Ancient Christian Tradition Support a Fasting Lifestyle & Help Us Put Food in its Proper Place18 Mar 202101:30:36

In this episode, I speak with Jay Richards about his book "Eat, Fast, Feast: Heal Your Body While Feeding your Soul". We discuss how modern science and ancient Christian tradition support a fasting lifestyle for healthy living and help us put food in its proper place.

We discuss a number of issues including fasting, prayer, the ketogenic diet, and metabolic flexibility. We discuss the benefits of fat, meat, whole foods, and why we need to avoid processed foods, sugar, and how this all relates both our physical and spiritual health.

Jay notes that while fasting is a sacrifice that is supposed to be difficult, it should not be torture. The problem is that most of us eat in a way that makes fasting much more difficult than it needs to be. Jay explains how using a ketogenic diet can help prepare our bodies for fasting and for prayer. We also discuss the important role of feasting and how a proper feast is essential to a human and liturgical life and very different from a "cheat" day on a diet.

We also talk about liturgical, vocal, and mental prayer and the philosophical issues including hylomorphism and what it means to be an embodied person, and how food and eating connect to the theme of the moral imagination and the problem of hyper-rationalism, and an overly technocratic view of the world.

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Ep.56 Ambassador Eduard Habsburg: Building a Family Legacy — The Habsburg Way: 7 Tools for Turbulent Times14 Feb 202401:01:24
In this episode of the Moral Imagination Podcast I speak with Hungarian Ambassador to the Holy See and the Sovereign Order of Malta, Ambassador Eduard Habsburg, about his book The Habsburg Way: Seven Rules for Turbulent Times. We discuss a number of themes including some history of the Habsburg Dynasty, the life and death of Blessed Charles of Austria, the last Austro-Hungarian emperor, including the remarkable tradition of the funeral for Habsburg emperors. We also discuss themes of marriage, children, religion, technology, liturgy, and especially the importance of family and tradition to provide rootedness in a time of individualism and “liquid modernity.”  Other themes and topics include:
  • Different Visions of Subsidiarity — Catholic Social Teaching vs. European Union
  • Decentralization and localism vs. Devolution of power from a central state
  • Technocratic Politics
  • Alexis de Tocqueville on Individualism and Centralization
  • Robert Nisbet on the Quest for Community
  • Joseph Ratzinger — What it means to be a Christian
  • Liturgy as non-linguistic catechesis
  • The Human Person as Embodied and Embedded
  • and more
Biography
Ambassador Eduard Habsburg is the Hungarian Ambassador to the Holy See and the Sovereign Order of Malta.  He is the author of The Habsburg Way. 7 Rules for Turbulent Times from Sophia Press and Dubbie: The Double-Headed Eagle. Full Quiver Publishing, 2020.  You can connect and follow him on Twitter at @EduardHabsburg   X (formerly Twitter) Eduard Habsburg (@EduardHabsburg) on X Ambassador of Hungary to the Holy See and the Sovereign Order of Malta.

Book: THE HABSBURG WAY
https://t.co/vMufBgoJGE

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Ep. 29: Noelle Mering: Awake Not Woke: A Personalist Alternative to Thinking About Social Justice06 Mar 202101:51:38

In this episode, I speak with Noelle Mering about her new book, Awake Not Woke: A Christian Response to the Cult of Progressive Ideology.

Noelle analyzes the concept of "woke" and identifies four characteristics of the contemporary social justice movement and how they influence the way we think about justice and society:

1. Group over Person
2. Will over Reason
3. Power over Authority
4. The Crowd and the Victim

We discuss the intellectual history of the social justice movement from Hegel and Marx, Frankfurt School thinkers like Adorno and Marcuse, and contemporary proponents. We discuss how the sexual revolution connects to progressive social justice, which leads to deep incoherence and more injustice against women and children. Noelle has a chapter on victims and contagion and the work of Rene Girard, so we discuss that as well.

Mering does not deny that there exist real injustices in the world that need to be addressed, but she argues that the contemporary social justice movement is the wrong way to address the problems of injustice and has often made them worse. She instead offers a personalist approach that stresses the importance of being known and in relationship with others as an alternative of how to think about and address justice and injustice.

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Ep. 28: George Gilder: Crypto vs Google: Blockchain, Cryptocurrency, Decentralized Computing, and Life After Google and Big Data25 Feb 202101:20:16

In this episode, I talk with George Gilder about "Life After Google: The Fall of Big Data & The Rise of the Blockchain Economy" and his newest book on Gaming AI. We discuss blockchain technologies, cryptocurrency, Bitcoin, and decentralized computing. We also discuss artificial intelligence, information theory, neuroscience, and the problems of materialism and closed systems. Gilder argues that the Google system of the world with its focus on free services, centralized servers, and big data will be replaced by blockchain and decentralized computing that takes security, money, and privacy seriously. We discuss the philosophical underpinnings of the Google System of the world, its materialist presuppositions, and its adherence to the Burning Man principles, and how these ideas influence Google's visions of computing, economics, and artificial intelligence. We also talk about neuroscience and its relationship to computer science and the circular error of envisioning the human mind as a computer and then thinking about computers based on this reductionist vision of the mind.

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Ep. 27: Decentralization, Localism, and Mutual Aid: The Thought of Robert Nisbet19 Feb 202101:01:20

This episode features a lecture of mine from 2011 on the thought of Robert Nisbet. Nisbet is an important figure and his thought is very relevant to our time. I discuss the main themes of his work on community, authority, social change, and more.

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Ep. 26: David Deavel Ph.D: What Happiness are We Pursuing? Solzhenitsyn and American Culture05 Feb 202101:32:32

A British journalist asked Alexander Solzhenitsyn: can free people desire to be slaves? He answered Yes. The West is "full of such people". In this episode, I speak with David Deavel about the book he co-edited with Jessica Hooten Wilson, "Solzhensityn and American Culture: The Russian soul in the West".

We discuss how some of the key themes of Solzhenitsyn apply to our contemporary life, including a critique of materialism, the attraction to modern stoicism, and how it can become infected with utilitarianism and narcissism. We discuss the affirmation of being and how this relates to suffering and redemption. We discuss Solzhenitsyn's Harvard Address, Templeton Prize Address, and several essays in the book including the role of Russian literature and how the Russian experience relates to contemporary American politics, including the tension between globalism nationalism, consumerism, cultural critiques of capitalism, trade-offs, and costs of globalization. We also discuss the issue of atheism and morality, and the problem Solzhenitsyn identified: that we are often embarrassed to talk about truth or good and evil as somehow archaic concepts, but if we want to take injustice and political and social evil seriously, we have to deal with conscience and good and evil in the human heart.

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Ep. 25: David Clayton: Beauty and the Cosmos28 Jan 202101:43:55

What is beauty? Does it have an objective character, or is it merely subjective and in the eye of the beholder? How do we experience beauty, and how do we communicate it to others. In this episode, I discuss the nature of beauty with David Clayton, a painter, iconographer, and author. We discuss the role of consensus and tradition, classical art, contemporary gallery art, popular and folk art, and sacred liturgy.

We discuss key characteristics of beauty including integrity, harmony, proportion, and clarity and the connection to mathematics and the cosmos. David explains musical octaves and ratios and how these relate to architecture and in sacred liturgy.

We talk about relationship between art and morality, good and bad art, and how to learn and create art that speaks to our times.

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Ep. 24: Andreas Widmer: Principled Entrepreneurship: Why Business is Always Personal 22 Jan 202101:20:36

In the episode, I speak with Andreas Widmer about his work on principled entrepreneurship. Andreas argues that many of the challenges we are seeing in business and commerce today can be addressed by seeing business and entrepreneurship as a moral enterprise focused on the human person. We discuss Widmer's five principles for how businesses should be run, as well as a path to become not just successful, but socially beneficial.

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Ep. 23: Flagg Taylor Ph.D: Living in Truth: Vaclav Havel on Existential Dissent & the Re-discovery of Conscience14 Jan 202101:50:35

In this episode, I speak with Flagg Taylor about the writing and life of Vaclav Havel. We discuss his essays, plays, and other works. We also discuss Havel's idea of dissent as living in the truth. Dissent for Havel is not primarily political, but existential dissent from ideology, politicization of life, and consumerism.

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Ep. 22: Luke Sheahan: Suppressing Dissent: Why Freedom of Association and Decentralization Matter for Liberty, Community, Innovation, and Human Flourishing06 Jan 202101:24:28

Alexis de Tocqueville wrote that the tyrant doesn't care if you love him, as long as you don't love one another.

In this episode, I speak with Luke Sheahan about his book, "Why Associations Matter: The case for First Amendment Pluralism".

Free associations are essential for political liberty, human flourishing, and for genuine community; but Sheahan argues that recent judicial decisions are increasingly subsuming freedom of association and assembly into speech rights.

Free speech is essential for political liberty, but it's not sufficient -- It works in tandem with the right of association and assembly to strengthen and create venues for free speech.

But the right of association goes beyond that.

So, Luke and I discuss a number of things including the philosophy of Pluralism, Tocqueville's concern that individualism leads to centralization, Robert Nisbet's work on community, decentralization and the need to revitalize associations, and some of the arguments for free association from Aristotle, Aquinas, Magna Carta, the American founders, and more. We also discuss some of the problems with bad communities, racism, and the limits of association.

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Ep. 21: Luke Burgis: The Economy of Desire: Rene Girard on Commerce and our Everyday Life17 Dec 202001:12:50

In this episode, I speak with Luke Burgis about Rene Girard, the mimetic cycle, imitation, desire, and scapegoating, and how these things play out in business, commerce and everyday life. We discuss his forthcoming book, Wanting: The Power of Mimetic Desire in Everyday Life. Themes include how are desires our shaped by others, the leveling of desire through social media, the problem of scapegoating including not only scapegoating of the innocent, but how the the guilty be scapegoated to distract attention from other guilty parties. We also discuss positive and negative mimesis, and a number of writers and entrepreneurs including Max Scheler, Alexis De Tocqueville, Peter Thiel, Nassim Taleb, and why Rene Girard’s insights have much to say about commerce, our contemporary political economy, and our everyday life. We did this interview earlier this year while he was in the midst of writing, but the book is now finished and will be out in Spring of 2021.

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Ep. 20: What is the Moral Imagination? + 15 Ways to Build it and Recover Our Humanity10 Dec 202001:02:38

What is the moral imagination? Why is it important? In this episode, I discuss the concept of the moral imagination and 15 ways to develop it. I discuss the origin of the term in Edmund Burke's critique of the French Revolution and his worry that the reductionist Enlightenment view of reason would lead to what C.S. Lewis called "the abolition of man." It would diminish our fundamental human experiences--love, joy, hope, friendship, justice, compassion, mercy, grief, and forgiveness--and undermine the dignity of the person. I discuss a number of thinkers, including Gertrude Himmelfarb on tradition, Russell Kirk, Joseph Pieper, Mary Douglas on condensed symbols, Joseph Ratzinger on reason and beauty, Iain Mc Gilchrist on neuroscience, Peter Berger on plausibility structures, and more.

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Ep.55 Seth Kapan on Fragile Neighborhoods — Relationships and Place-Based Solutions to Social and Material Poverty01 Feb 202401:17:41
In this episode of the Moral Imagination Podcast I speak with Seth Kaplan about his book Fragile Neighborhoods: Repairing American Society One Zip Code at a Time.  Seth has spent his career working in fragile states around the world — countries that are unstable and prone to violence, war, and political problems. About 10 years ago Seth was increasingly asked if the US was becoming fragile.  As he turned his attention to studying the United States, he concluded was that while the US is not fragile as a country, there are many areas and neighborhoods throughout the country that are very fragile — where poverty rates are high, there is crime, and instability, and social capital, family stability, and economic and educational opportunities are low.  Seth explains that depending on the neighborhood where you live in the United States it can mean a shorter lifespan of over 20 years.   Kaplan speaks about two faces of poverty, material and social, and how they are both a problem of broken relationships.   He argues: “I think the real question you have to ask about the United States we have many things going very well in our country but something has gotten worse in the last couple of generations: the politics, the trust, the social breakdown, the deaths of despair, the health crisis the depression, and the rise of suicides. The big question that we have to ask ourselves is what has changed in our relationships that lead us to have so many social and political problems?” Themes and Topics we discuss include:
  • Family Stability
  • Social Capital
  • Bonding vs. Bridging Social Capital
  • Relationships and Community
  • The role of religion and religious practice in communities
  • Associationalism vs. Individualism vs. Collectivism
  Biography   Seth D. Kaplan is a leading expert on fragile states. He is a Professorial Lecturer in the Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS) at Johns Hopkins University, Senior Adviser for the Institute for Integrated Transitions (IFIT), and consultant to multilateral organizations such as the World Bank, U.S. State Department, U.S. Agency for International Development, and OECD as well as developing country governments and NGOs.   Resources

Chris Arnade Podcast on his book Dignity

Communio — Communio is a nonprofit that trains and equips churches to evangelize through the renewal of healthy relationships, marriages, and the family.



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Ep. 19: Carrie Gress, Ph.D: Theology of Home: Family, Motherhood and the Alternative to Dominant Feminism04 Dec 202000:56:40

In this episode, I speak with the Carrie Gress about her book "Theology of Home". We discuss themes of the value of homemaking, the hearth, family, motherhood, and some of her critiques of dominant feminism. Carrie is a philosopher, an entrepreneur, a prolific writer, and the mother of five children that she homeschools. She is the online editor of the woman's magazine "Theology of Home". She has appeared on Fox, BBC, and EWTN. She has lived and worked professionally in Washington, DC and Rome, Italy, and her work has been translated into nine languages. Carrie is the author of a number of books, has a PhD in philosophy from the Catholic university of America, and wrote her doctoral dissertation on human rights in the thought of Jacques Martain and Alistair MacIntyre. In addition to her writing and intellectual work, Carrie and her husband started an online store featuring lifestyle products for the home.

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Ep. 18: Chris Arnade: Dignity, Poverty, Faith, & Seeking Respect in Back Row America25 Nov 202001:40:38

In this episode, I speak with Chris Arnade about his book "Dignity: Seeking Respect in Back Row America". We discuss themes from his book including poverty, addiction, racism, and the value of home and place, the role of faith, and the role of McDonalds as a respite and community center.

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Ep. 17: Obianuju Ekeocha: Ideological Colonialism and Resisting the Cultural Annexation of Africa19 Nov 202000:49:14

In this episode, I speak with Obianuju Ekeocha about the problem of ideological colonialism in Africa in the 21st Century. We discuss how Western governments, international aid agencies, and NGOs impose western, secularist ideas about life, family, and marriage on Africa. Obianuju argues that what we are seeing is a type of cultural annexation of Africa by Western elites that is a new type of colonialism. She argues that just like with 20th century colonialism Western elites collude with African leaders and go against the will of the population. Obianuju (Uju for short) Ekeocha is the author of "Target Africa", the writer and producer of the documentary film, "Strings Attached", and the founder and president of Culture of Life Africa, an initiative dedicated to the promotion and defense of the African values of the sanctity of life, beauty of marriage, blessings of motherhood and the dignity of family life. Culture of Life Africa answers the assaults on these values with African women's voices.

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Ep. 16: Dr. Michael Egnor: Does Neuroscience Refute Free Will? 12 Nov 202001:22:06

Does neuroscience prove there is no free will? Is consciousness reducible to a neural network? Are we determined by our brains? In this episode, I speak again with neurosurgeon, Dr. Michael Egnor. We discuss Sam Harris arguments against free will, and examine not only the philosophical problems with Harris' argument, but Dr. Egnor also argues that Harris incorrectly interprets the work of Benjamin Libet on will and the readiness potential, and that Libet himself did not reject free will. We also discuss the complex question of consciousness and the materialist claims that consciousness can be reduced to a physical, neural process.

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Ep. 15: Gary Saul Morson Ph.D: Thinking Like Lenin04 Nov 202001:04:40

In this episode, I speak with Professor Gary Saul Morson about the thought of Vladamir Lenin and how Lenin's ideas and way of seeing the world influences us today. We discuss his New Criterion essay, "Leninthink" and some of the key aspects of Lenin's thought, including Who-Whom: adherence to all politics and life as a win-lose, zero-sum game, the rejection of truth, Party-ness and ideological commitment over all, affirmation of violence, and philosophical materialism. We discuss moral relativism and the adherence to lying that many Western intellectuals failed to understand. Morson gives examples from Arthur Koestler's Darkness at Noon, Richard Wright's American Hunger, and G.K. Chesterton's Father Brown stories. If "Leninthink" sounds a bit like the situation we are in today, it is because Lenin's ideas are alive and well.

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The Triumph of the Yuppie: Carlo Lancellotti on Augusto del Noce, Secularization, Revolution, and the Crisis of Modernity28 Oct 202001:24:36

In this episode, I speak with Professor Carlo Lancellotti about the late Italian philosopher Augusto Del Noce and the Crisis of Modernity. Del Noce died in 1989, but his writings are very relevant and help explains much of our contemporary situation.

In this wide ranging conversation, we talk about totalitarianism, the religious nature of revolution, consumerism, the hybrid of Marxist anthropology with bourgeois pursuit of happiness; hippies and yuppies, the absolutization of politics, and the danger of forbidding questions.

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Ep. 13: Dr. Michael Egnor, M.D: Are We our Brains? Philosophy and the Foundations of Neuroscience21 Oct 202001:05:53

Does your brain think? Does your frontal lobe decide? Or do you think and you decide? What is the relationship between the brain and and the mind; between the brain and the person? Neuroscience has entered our everyday speech and increasingly shapes the way we think about ourselves and the world--including some serious conceptual errors. In this episode, I speak with Dr. Michael Egnor, a neurosurgeon and professor of pediatric neurosurgery about some of the philosophical foundations and faulty assumptions of contemporary neuroscience. We discuss his critiques of materialism, positivism, and scientism that underlie much of neuroscience. We also discuss the work of Bennet and Hacker and the pervasive error in neuroscience of the mereological fallacy--the error of identifying the part with the whole--identifying the brain with the person. Bennet and Hacker argue that much contemporary neuroscience is founded upon a "mutant Cartesianism" that has replaced the dualism of Decartes with a new dualism where the brain takes the place of the mind. We also discuss Dr. Egnor’s work on split-brain patients, perception, and the Aristotelian-Thomistic idea of hylomorphism. This is my first interview with Dr. Egnor. In the second interview, we discuss the problem of free will, the work of Benjamin Libet, Sam Harris, and what neuroscience actually tells us about free choices.

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Ep. 12: Jaron Lanier: Behavior Modification, Virtual Reality, and Re-inventing the Internet14 Oct 202001:02:29

In this episode, I speak with technologist, musician, and author, Jaron Lanier about technology, behavior modification, artificial intelligence and virtual reality and consciousness. We discuss the internet economics, his critique of free services, and how to re-think the internet, data collection, privacy, and paying people for their data. We also discuss the human rights and the nature of personhood. Jaron Lanier is the author of several books on technology and was one of the founders of virtual reality and coined the term. He also wrote a book on the philosophy of the person, "You are not a Gadget: A Manifesto". He has a long and distinguished career in tech. He began computer programming in the 1970s, worked for Atari in the 1980s, and later founded a virtual reality company. He has been a founder or principal of a number tech firms which have been acquired by Google, Adobe, and Pfizer. Jaron currently works at the Office of the Chief Technology Officer at Microsoft Research.

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Ep. 11: Bradley Birzer, Ph.D: Leviathan Inc.: Robert Nisbet, Decentralization, & Localism07 Oct 202001:19:20

In this episode, I speak with Brad Birzer about the American Sociologist Robert Nisbet and his critique of the Modern Nation State. Nisbet was a strong proponent of decentralization and a multiplicity of associations. We discuss some of his ideas, including developmentalism, the quest for community, and authority. We also discuss Nisbet's influences—Alexis de Tocqueville, Edmund Burke, Proudhon, and the Counter-Revolutionaries—and his critique of Jean Jacques Rousseau, who he called the "demon of the modern mind". Brad is currently working on a book on Robert Nisbet that will be published by Notre Dame Press.

Dr. Birzer is professor of history, and the Russell Amos Kirk Chair in American Studies at Hillsdale College. He is the co-founder of The Imaginative Conservative, and has written books on J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Dawson, Russell Kirk, and the rock star Neil Peart.

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Ep. 10: Diana Rodgers: Kale vs Cow: Nutrition, Land Regeneration, and the Case for Better Meat30 Sep 202000:59:42

In this episode, I speak with Diana Rodgers about nutrition, factory farming, subsidies, antibiotics, and why animals are good for the land. Diana is a Registered Nutritionist, a farmer, author, and the host of The Sustainable Dish Podcast. We also discuss why meat is good for you, why fat is healthy, cholesterol, and the Ancel Keys study, diabetes, vegan diets many of the themes in her book "Sacred Cow", co-authored with Robb Wolf, which was released after we did the interview. Diana has also just finished directing and producing a documentary film, also called "Sacred Cow: The Nutritional, Environmental Case for Better Meat", which will be released this year. In addition to "Sacred Cow", Diana has also written "The Homegrown Paleo Cookbook", and "Paleo Lunches on the Go".

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Ep.54 Cajetan Cuddy O.P on The Psychology of St. Thomas Aquinas10 Aug 202301:24:06

In this episode I speak with Fr. Cajetan Cuddy O.P. about Thomistic Psychology: A Philosophic Analysis of the Nature of Man, by Fr. Robert Edward Brennan, O.P., edited and with an introduction by Fr. Cuddy.

 

Aristotle wrote that “to attain any assured knowledge about the soul is one of the most difficult things in the world.” We often read psychology because we want to understand ourselves and our behavior- and the behavior of others.  While we don’t normally think of St. Thomas Aquinas as a psychologist, as a serious philosopher, theologian, and student of the human person, St. Thomas gives us deep insight into human psychology — the study of the psyche or soul — our intellect, memory, will, emotions, and our embodied, embedded existence.


Fr. Brennan’s book on Thomistic Psychology provides a good accessible introduction to Aquinas’ reflections on psychology.  As. Fr. Cuddy notes, some of the science in Thomistic Psychology is a bit out of date, but the key principles and ideas are still applicable and provide an important contribution, especially in a time when so many struggle with anxiety, depression, sadness and other mental health challenges.  These have many causes to be sure, but the impact of modern theories of materialism, spiritualism and other reductionist visions of the person makes people even more confused about who they are and how to live well.

One of the ideas central to the work of St. Thomas and Fr. Brennan is the idea of truth — conforming the mind to reality — and how taking truth seriously combined with a solid, non-reductionist philosophy of the person can have practical, positive impact on our mental and psychological health. Thomistic Psychology presents an integrated vision of the person that helps us the better to understand ourselves and others, and provides clear models and practical advice on addressing our problems, how to fight bad habits and build good ones, how to address our emotions, disappointments, and successes, and a roadmap on how to live well.


St. Thomas’ philosophy and pyschology are also very important because he takes our embodiement seriously.  We are not souls in a body or driving around in our body like we drive around in a car. Nor are we simply material beings determined by our neurobiology or genetics. Rather we are embodied persons our physical, moral, spiritual, emotional, and psychological life are intertwined.  What we do and happens to us physically impacts our emotional and mental life and vice versa.  St. Thomas’ suggested remedy for sadness is a perfect of example of his taking our physical and spiritual nature seriously.

We discuss a broad range of topics including:

  • What is a person

  • Divine Persons, Angelic Persons, Embodied persons

  • What it means for human to have a nature.

  • What is a soul?

  • What is a body?

  • Why the body matters

  • Free will

  • The proper use of the powers of man

  • The remedy for saddnes

  • St. Thomas on the Senses — sight, touch, hearing etc.

  • Memory

  • Imagination

  • St. Thomas idea of self-creation

  • Human formation

  • The person as passive and active agent

  • The role of happiness

  • Evil as a privation

  • Why we need to be careful about the music we listen to, the movies we watch, what we think about 

  • Spiritual and/or Religious

  • The beginning of love according to John Paul II

  • Faith, Hope, Charity

  • How the Christian life is not to become an angel — but a human being fully integrated.

  • Liturgy

  • Fasting

  • Pray with our Bodies

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Biography:


Fr. Cajetan Cuddy, O.P., is a priest of the Dominican Province of St. Joseph. He serves as the general editor of the Thomist Tradition Series, and he is co-author of Thomas and the Thomists: The Achievement of St. Thomas Aquinas and His Interpreters. Fr. Cuddy has a B.A. from Franciscan University, a M.Div./S.T.B., The Pontifical Faculty of the Immaculate Conception, a S.T.L., The Pontifical Faculty of the Immaculate Conception and his doctorate, a S.T.D. from the University of Fribourg, Switzerland.  He writes and lectures extensively on the philosophy and theology of St. Thomas Aquinas and the Thomist Tradition. Some of his selected publications can be found here.

Fr. Cuddy also lectures for the Thomistic Institute.  For an excellent introduction to the philosophy and theology of St. Thomas Aquinas I recommend the Thomistic Institutenstitute.org/ and their series Aquinas 101

The late Fr. Robert Edward Brennan, O.P. was a Dominican Friar, professor, and the author of numerous books and articles including Thomistic Psychology and The History of Psychology: A Thomistic Reading, both published recently by Cluny Media.

 

Cluny Media

Thomist Tradition Series

Cluny Media

 

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Thomistic Institute

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Aquinas 101 is a video course project of the Thomistic Institute, located in Washington, DC. The Thomistic Institute exists to promote Catholic truth in our contemporary world by strengthening the intellectual formation of Christians at universities, in the Church, and in the wider public square.



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Ep. 9: Anthony Bradley, Ph.D: Personalism as a Response to Over-Criminalization and Mass Incarceration23 Sep 202001:27:03

In this episode, I speak with Dr. Anthony Bradley about his book, "Ending Overcriminalization and Mass Incarceration: Hope from Civil Society". Dr. Anthony Bradley is professor of religious studies and director of the Center for the Study of Human Flourishing at The King's College, Theologian-In-Residence at Redeemer Presbyterian Church—Lincoln Square, and a research fellow at The Acton Institute.

Show Notes: https://www.themoralimagination.com/episodes/anthony-bradley-phd



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Ep. 8: Glen Weyl, Ph.D: Alternatives to Technocracy & the Ideology of Artificial Intelligence16 Sep 202001:16:49

In this episode, I speak with Glen Weyl about the ideology of artificial of intelligence, central planning, Communist China, and the problem of technocracy. In a wide-ranging conversation we also talk about collaboration, knowledge and experience, decentralization, individualism, and the Ukranian Genocide—and a number of thinkers including James Scott, Alexis de Tocqueville, Georg Simmel, Joseph Ratzinger, and more. We also discuss subways, coffee, complex society, and problem of ignoring the invisible. It was a lot of fun. Glen is an innovative and very interesting the thinker. He is a political economist and social technologist at the office the Technology Officer at Microsoft. He is also the founder of Radical XChange and the co-author, with Eric Posner, of the book Radical Markets.

Show Notes: https://www.themoralimagination.com/episodes/glen-weyl



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Ep. 7: Joel Salatin: Simple Truths About Man, Nature, Stewardship, & Farming31 Oct 201901:19:50

Michael welcomes to the show Joel Salatin, prolific writer, renowned public speaker, and self-described "Christian libertarian environmentalist capitalist lunatic farmer" to discuss his unique approach to agriculture, animal husbandry, work, and mankind's relationship with nature.



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Ep. 6: Dr. Patrick Lee: What Does it Really Mean to be a Human Being?24 Oct 201901:22:45

Michael welcomes Dr. Patrick Lee, director of the Center for Bio-Ethics at Franciscan University in Steubenville, Ohio, to discuss his book, "Body-Self Dualism in Contemporary Ethics and Politics", which examines the key questions surrounding the very complex topic of what it means to be a human being. In their discussion, Michael and Dr. Lee touch on issues such as abortion, euthanasia, gender, and sexuality.



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