The Long Game is a weekly national security podcast hosted by Jake Sullivan, President Bidenโs National Security Advisor, and Jon Finer, his Principal Deputyโsenior aides who sat in on the classified Presidential Daily Brief each morning and translated raw intelligence into policy advice. Each week, Jake and Jon will pull back the curtain on how power really works helping you make sense of the national security stories unfolding today.
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Trumpโs Russia Deals, Muskโs Starlink Leverage, and Ukraineโs Hardest Winter Yet
Thursday, October 29, 2026 โข Duration 01:00:41
Michael Kofman, defense analyst at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, returns to The Long Game as Russia intensifies its bombardment of Ukraine and decisions made in Washington reshape Kyivโs ability to fight.ย
Kofman examines the gap between Russiaโs military performance and its demands at the negotiating table; the leverage each side currently holds and the deadly consequences of throttling Ukrainian access to SpaceXโs Starlink and StarShield.ย
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Alexander Ward, Natalie Andrews, and Josh Dawsey โMusk Ordered Starlink Slowdown That Blindsided Ukraine,โ The Wall Street Journal, October 21, 2026ย
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Israel Votes. What Changes?
Thursday, October 22, 2026 โข Duration 01:14:49
Israelis are preparing to vote in their first election since the October 7 terrorist attacks. Barak Ravid, global affairs correspondent for Axios, joins Jake and Jon to discuss the stakes of the election. Will Benjamin Netanyahu be re-elected for a historic seventh term as prime minister?ย
With polls exceedingly close, Barak explains the challenge Netanyahuโs opposition will face in translating their electoral support into a governing coalition. He also weighs in on what the elections will mean for Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza and the future of Pres. Trumpโs Middle East agenda.ย Drawing on his deep-sourced reporting and decades covering Israeli politics and the US-Israel relationship, Barak says October 7 is on the ballot and next weekโs election will determine the future of Israeli democracy.ย
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Barak Ravid and Marc Caputo, โInside Trump, Netanyahuโs dilemma: Strike Iran before elections or wait,โ Axios, October 13, 2026.
Barak Ravid, โTrump tells Axios why he endorsed Netanyahuโs reelection,โ Axios, October 18, 2026.
Barak Ravid, โBiden tells Bibi he's concerned about Israel's judicial overhaul legislation,โ Axios, September 20, 2023ย
Donald J. Trump, โPresident Donald J. Trumpโs Comprehensive Plan to End the Gaza Conflict,โ The American Presidency Project โ White House press release, September 29, 2025. The American Presidency Project
P5+1, European Union, and Iran, โJoint Comprehensive Plan of Action,โ US Department of State, July 14, 2015.
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A Diesel Deal With Russia, a Dilemma for NATO, Houthis Escalate Saudi Arabia Attacks
Thursday, October 15, 2026 โข Duration 01:16:14
President Trump has struck a diesel deal with Russia as fuel prices squeeze Americans. But what does easing restrictions on Russian exports mean for Ukraine and for efforts to end the war? Jake Sullivan and Jon Finer examine the dealโs potential economic impact, the growing tension between Washington and Kyiv, and the prospects for an energy ceasefire as winter approaches.
Then, renewed fighting between Saudi Arabia and the Houthis raises difficult questions about American commitments in the Middle East. With Saudi airports and energy infrastructure under attack, could the United States or Israel enter the fight? What could either accomplish?
Finally, an Options Memo for NATOโs Secretary General: How should the alliance respond if Russian sabotage kills civilians in a member country? Jake and Jon weigh โlight,โ โmedium,โ and โheavyโ responses, exploring the challenge of restoring deterrence without triggering a wider war. Listen for the hard choices behind the headlines and the risks each carries.
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References and supplemental materials
Gen. Alexus G. Grynkewich, Supreme Allied Commander Europe, NATO,ย Theory of Victory: How Do We Achieve Military Success Against Russia in Deterrence and Defence?, Warsaw Security Forum, October 12, 2026.
Feras Dalatey, โAmazon's AWS is unable to restore access to Bahrain, one UAE cloud data zone after war damage,โ Reuters, September 15, 2026ย
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How China Changed the Oil Marketโand the Iran War
Monday, October 12, 2026 โข Duration 01:12:47
Javier Blas, Bloomberg Opinionโs energy and commodities columnist, joins Jake Sullivan and Jon Finer to explain why the Iran war has produced an oil market few expected: crude prices hovering around $100 a barrel while tankers are braving missile attacks, and sharper pain for people buying diesel, jet fuel, and heating oil.
How has Chinaโs retreat from the oil market changed the pressure on Washington and Tehran? Why are some traders reluctant to bet on higher prices even when they fear escalation? And how long can the improvised system keeping oil moving through the Strait of Hormuz hold together?
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Anne Applebaum on the Grifters and Ideologues Reshaping US Foreign Policy
Thursday, October 1, 2026 โข Duration 01:03:51
Anne Applebaum, Pulitzer Prize-winning author and staff writer at The Atlantic, joins Jake Sullivan and Jon Finer to discuss how far-right ideology and private profit have become intertwined in the Trump administrationโs approach to the world; the subject of her new cover story for The Atlantic.ย
They also examine the opaque U.S. oil arrangements in Venezuela, the campaign for political influence in Greenland, and the difficult work of rebuilding American institutions and alliances after Trump.
For paid subscribers, Jake and Jon continue their conversation with Anne Applebaum. She details what changes to the White House and the Kennedy Center reveal about political power and culture in Washington.Subscribe to Long Game + on Apple or Substack for access and to support the show.ย
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The U.S.โChina Relationship Is Moving in Two Directions
Thursday, September 24, 2026 โข Duration 01:07:52
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China experts Jessica Chen Weiss, David M. Lampton Professor of China Studies at Johns Hopkins SAIS, and Julian Gewirtz, fellow at Harvardโs Belfer Center and senior research scholar at Columbia University, join Jake Sullivan and Jon Finer ahead of Chinese President Xi Jinpingโs state visit to Washington.
What does Xi hope to secure from President Trumpโand what should the United States seek in return? Could the current truce become a durable dรฉtente, or is the relationship moving in two directions at once: greater stability at the top and deeper competition underneath? And as concern grows about advanced AI, can Washington and Beijing reduce the risks without resolving their fundamental distrust?
The conversation also examines Taiwan, rare-earth export controls, Chinaโs expanding global role, and the choices that could shape the relationship long after this weekโs summit.
For paid subscribers, Jake and Jon break down President Trumpโs United Nations General Assembly speech in a special segment. Subscribe to Long Game + on Apple or Substack for access and to support the show.ย
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U.S. Intelligence Under Assault and the High-Stakes AI Race With China
Thursday, September 17, 2026 โข Duration 01:19:56
Julia Curlee, a former CIA analyst and acting senior director at the National Security Council, joins Jake Sullivan and Jon Finer to explain why she believes Americaโs intelligence system is being weakened from within.
Curlee also discusses her experience briefing Vice President Mike Pence and why she left government after nearly 20 years. After the interview, Then to argue for and against reaching a deal with the U.S. and continuingย Beijingโs open-weight strategy.
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25 Years After 9/11: Admiral McRavenโs Warning for America
Thursday, September 10, 2026 โข Duration 01:07:12
25 Years After 9/11: Admiral McRavenโs Warning for America
Retired Admiral William H. McRaven, former commander of U.S. Special Operations Command and Joint Special Operations Command, joins Jake Sullivan and Jon Finer as the country marks the 25th anniversary of 9/11. McRaven recalls watching the attacks while recovering from a parachute accident, and later planning and executing the operation that brought Osama bin Laden to justice.
They also examine why the Trump administrationโs unexplained removal of senior military leaders could weaken candid advice and military preparedness; how special operations must adapt from counterterrorism to competition with major powers; and why Americaโs alliances remain essential to its security.
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Iranโs โEconomic D-Dayโ and the US-Canada Rupture
Thursday, August 27, 2026 โข Duration 01:07:12
Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent says the U.S. is entering โthe endgameโ with Iran, launching what he calls an โeconomic D-Day.โ Closer to home, U.S.-Canada trade talks have collapsed after Prime Minister Mark Carney rejected Washingtonโs latest demands.ย
Jake Sullivan and Jon Finer examine whether Operation Economic Outcast can change Iranโs calculus, why China holds the key, and why Canadians are backing a trade fight they expect to hurt. They also stage a Red Team/Blue Team debate over President Trumpโs new cyber memo, which allows private companies to conduct offensive operations against foreign cybercriminals. Jon makes the case for the so-called cyber privateers, while Jake lays out the risks.
Subscribe to The Long Game+ on Apple podcasts or on Substack for access to exclusive segments. This week, Jake and Jon tackle two listener questions: What should we make of CIA Director John Ratcliffeโs unannounced trip to Moscow? And, how did Jake and Jon manage the physical and mental toll of their years as national security advisors?ย
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Corruption in a Shameless Age (with Patrick Radden Keefe)
Thursday, August 6, 2026 โข Duration 01:07:58
Acclaimed investigative journalist and New Yorker staff writer Patrick Radden Keefe joins Jake Sullivan and Jon Finer to discuss his new book, London Falling.ย
They discuss Londonโs dirty-money economy, โSay Nothingโ and the unfinished business of the Good Friday Agreement, whether the CIA helped spread the Scorpionsโ โWind of Changeโ behind the Iron Curtain, what a year inside the Pentagon taught Patrick about Washington, and why powerful people rarely see themselves as villains. At the end, Patrick, Jake and Jon share their summer reading list.
In an exclusive segment for subscribers to The Long Game+ on Apple or Substack: Patrick, Jake, and Jon examine how Trump-era impunity and outrage fatigue can normalize corruption.ย
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