What happens when the context you're preparing leaders for no longer exists by the time they get there? After seven years as Chief Learning Officer at Citibank building talent systems, Cameron Hedrick sees the cracks in how we predict potential.

In this conversation, Cameron reveals why mastery beats potential when everything is constantly emerging, why humans excel at inference with small data while AI needs millions of data points, and how self-knowing becomes the foundation for navigating what's next. 

He introduces his Prompt to Polymath framework, mapping our journey from basic augmentation to a world where your digital twin pre-flights conversations while you orchestrate outcomes across humans, agents, and proxies. 

From hiring people with scars to narrating learning in motion, Cameron shares why machines may calculate faster, but they don't rise stronger from failure and why that distinction matters more than ever. 

If you're still running quarterly talent reviews in static nine-boxes, this conversation will fundamentally challenge how you think about developing capability that endures.

HIGH POTENTIAL (for what?!)

New MIT Sloan research suggests that AI is more likely to complement, not replace, human workers | MIT Sloan

What happens when AI agents become your direct reports? 

Becky Karsh, VP of Talent and Growth at F5, believes we're approaching a fundamental shift: individual contributors won't just complete tasks, they'll manage multiple AI agents to achieve outcomes. 

In this episode, Becky reveals why delegation, work design, and crystal-clear communication are becoming essential IC skills, not nice-to-have manager competencies. She explains why "if you do something more than once, that should be an agent" and makes the case that the future belongs to ICs who think like architects, not just builders. From T-shaped careers to bringing your own OKRs to development programs, Becky maps out the new playbook for IC success. 

If you're wondering whether AI will replace your job, Becky has a different question: are you ready to manage the AI that will amplify your impact?

In this special episode, Andrew Barry takes us to Workhuman Live in Denver, where he engaged with six forward-thinking leaders across HR, consulting, and academia. Together, they explore how AI is transforming not just the way we create, but also how we influence action.

From first-draft generation and rapid prototyping to stress-testing ideas and influencing without authority, these leaders reveal how AI is collapsing the time from idea to execution. Yet, the real game-changer isn't speed - it's empathy, clarity, and the ability to make others care.

Featuring insights from voices like Tracy Graff, KeyAnna Schmiedl, Fatema Rizwana, Jacob Morgan, Nicole Eisdorfer, and Candice Mitchell, this episode delivers a powerful message: AI may accelerate our work, but human judgment, storytelling, and influence are still what drive change.

Joining me this week is Jen Collins.

Jen is the Director of Academy Enablement at Learn In, a talent academy platform that was recently acquired by Degreed, one of the largest players in the ed tech space.

Jen and I connected on LinkedIn a while back, kept in touch through the platform, and found a common passion for all things continuous learning.

In this "Rapid Fire 5" segment, I gather her first thoughts on five key questions related to learning and enablement. 

Joining me this week is Raquel Ferrari.

Raquel is the Revenue Enablement Manager at Spekit. She is an enabler, but in a good way!

She is also in a unique role in that she leads enablement for a company that serves people in enablement. And that made for a very interesting episode. We explored the benefits that she brings to her go-to-market team - from reps to customer success and everything in between.

In this episode, we talk about all things Just-in-Time Learning. It was really fun to pull out a framework that Raquel uses for deciding how to create content and communicate with her sales team. She ended up sharing a three step framework (which I think you'll find incredibly useful) that we spent the bulk of this episode unpacking.

So with that, please sit back, relax, and enjoy my episode with Raquel Ferrari.

Raquel Ferrari is the Revenue Enablement Manager at Spekit, a "just-in-time" learning platform that enables your team to find the information they need in the flow of work.

She is an Enabler, but in a good way, and she is also in a unique role, in that she leads enablement for a company that serves people in enablement.

In this "Rapid Fire 5" segment, I gather her first thoughts on five key questions related to learning and enablement. 

Joining me this week is Brooke Coletti.

Brooke is the Senior Partner Enablement Manager at AWS, a fairly new role for her. She has worked in various enablement roles, and this was the first time in her career that she has specialized in partner enablement.

As a result, this is the first episode I've done on this show that is focused specifically on partner enablement.

We go into all things channel partner-related, and we also bring in quite a big dose of microlearning (another topic that Brooke is very much an expert in and has leveraged a lot in her career).

If all that sounds interesting to you, sit back, relax, and enjoy this episode with Brooke Coletti.

 Brooke is the Senior Partner Enablement Manager at AWS. It's a fairly new role for her as we recorded this episode. 

She has worked in various enablement roles, and this was the first time in her career that she has specialized in partner enablement. And as a result, this is the first episode I've done on this show that is focused specifically on partner enablement. 

In this "Rapid Fire 5" segment, I gather her first thoughts on five key questions related to learning and enablement. 

Joining me this week was Kristen McCrae McMullan. 

Kristen is the Global Enablement Leader for Amazon Web Services ProServe. 

She first appeared on my radar at the beginning of this year when she released a three-part "new year's resolution" series on topics that were top-of-mind for her in enablement. 

The first part of that series was a topic called “Micro-KPIs” - and it's something that I have not been able to stop thinking about since I read it. I found myself explaining it to others as if it were my own idea.

For the uninitiated among us, micro-KPIs are a potential solution for measuring and showing the impact of enablement efforts. 

We explore all things micro-KPI in terms of how to set them up, what some of the top challenges people face are, and what Kristen’s go-to micro-KPIs are. We also break down for you a very simple step-by-step approach so that you can go and set up your own KPIs right now. 

Please sit back, relax and enjoy my episode with Kristen McCrae McMullan. 

Kristen is the Global Enablement Leader for Amazon Web Services ProServe. 

She first came on my radar at the beginning of this year, when she released a three part kind of new year's resolution series on topics that were top of mind for her in enablement. The first one of that series was on a topic called “Micro KPIs” - and it's something that I have not been able to stop thinking about since I read that. 

In this "Rapid Fire 5" segment, I gather her first thoughts on five key questions related to learning and enablement. 

Joining me this week is Del Nakhi.

Del is the Senior Director of Global Revenue Enablement at MariaDB,  and a frequent speaker on the sales enablement circuit.

It was fantastic to be able to sit down one on one with her, to pick her brain on her background, her experience, and her philosophies for the strategies and tactics of the sales enablement profession.

I really, really enjoyed this conversation. I think there are so many great nuggets of wisdom in here.

So, please sit back, relax and enjoy my episode with Del Nakhi.

Joining me this week is Del Nakhi

 Del is the Senior Director of Global Revenue Enablement at MariaDB. She's a frequent speaker on the sales enablement circuit. It was fantastic to be able to sit down one on one with her to pick her brain on her background, her experience, and her philosophies for the strategies and tactics of the sales enablement profession. .

In this "Rapid Fire 5" segment, I gather her first thoughts on five key questions related to learning and enablement. 

Joining me this week is Jay Clouse.

Jay is the mind responsible for Creative Science, a phenomenal newsletter for entrepreneurs in the creative space, and he's the host of Creative Elements and Narrative Interview Podcast, exploring how today's top creators make a living with their art and creativity.

He previously led the community experience team for Pat Flynn and Smart Passive Income, which is a multimillion-dollar online course and community. He designed their paid membership community and cohort-based programs and has gone on to have much success with his own versions of those since then.

I consider Jay one of the foremost experts on building communities. I think this is an incredibly important topic and a growing one in the space of corporate learning, enablement, and education. And I think you're going to learn a lot from his experiences in the creator economy.

So, without further ado, sit back, relax, and enjoy my conversation with Jay Clouse.

Leah Caseley and Mark Turner never set out to rewrite the rules of leadership development - but that’s exactly what happened when they noticed a dangerous pattern. 

At LinkedIn, they saw top performers getting promoted into management only to regret it, brilliant individual contributors struggling to lead, and organizations losing talent to poor fits. 

So they flipped the script. Now, their emerging leaders don’t just train for management - they test it firsthand by guiding new hires, discovering through experience whether leadership truly suits them before the promotion becomes permanent. 

Along the way, they’ve uncovered the surprising human skills that matter more than results, the delicate balance between AI and authentic connection, and why the best leaders aren’t born - they’re revealed through real challenges. This isn’t leadership theory. It’s a working blueprint for building managers who don’t just direct teams - who amplify them.

Joining me this week is Chad Trabucco.

Chad is the Director of Revenue Enablement at Guru, a knowledge management software. I thought that was so fascinating considering the question that I ask at the end of every Rapid Fire Five, that is: how do you capture and distill ideas in people's heads for future use? That's exactly what Guru does, and what Chad is so passionate about.

At the risk of this becoming an episode entirely about Guru, we really dug deep into knowledge management - I think it's such an important issue for anybody developing people and enabling people.

You can get the tacit knowledge out of your sales team's heads and be explicit in your ways of helping others benefit from it. As I said, this is a topic that has been on the minds of every single enablement person I've spoken to. So, I know you will enjoy what Chad has to share.

Please, sit back and enjoy this episode with Chad Trabucco.

Joining me this week is Chad Trabucco.

Chad is the Director of Revenue Enablement at Guru. Guru is a knowledge management software, which I thought was so fascinating because of the question that I asked at the end of every Rapid Fire Five. And that is - how do you capture and distill ideas in people's heads for future use? And that's exactly what Guru does, and what Chad is so passionate about.

In this "Rapid Fire 5" segment, I gather his first thoughts on five key questions related to learning and enablement. 

Joining me this week is Steph White.

Steph is the Director of Revenue Enablement at Loopio. She started her career in Account Management and has translated that experience into a role enabling others. She's uniquely equipped to do so because of her focus on people.

What I found in this episode, talking to Steph and getting to know her in this conversation, is that we think very similarly about how people are your greatest asset. We also agree about the importance of developing the skills of empathy, the ability to meet people where they are, finding what makes them tick, and enabling their potential. These are the keys to unlocking business growth.

This was a fascinating conversation on the people side of people enablement. And I think you will learn a lot from Steph just as I did.

So, please sit back, relax, and enjoy this episode.

Joining me this week is  Steph White.

 Steph is the Director of Revenue Enablement at Loopio. She started her career in Account Management and has translated that experience into a role enabling others and is especially equipped to do that because of her focus on people. 

In this "Rapid Fire 5" segment, I gather her first thoughts on five key questions related to learning and enablement. 

Joining me this week for today's special learning nuggets episode is super-facilitator Gwyn Wansbrough.

Gwyn is an independent Facilitator, Learning Experience Designer, and Course Creator. She focuses on empowering educators and team leaders with the skills to make learning and facilitating meetings more creative. Her focus is on human-centered learning, with an emphasis on group learning. She specializes in crafting group experiences that lead to deep, significant breakthroughs.

I can't emphasize enough how important it is to have expert facilitation of the live experiences. These are the make-or-break components of any cohort learning experience. And we have learned so much from working with Gwyn in making these high-impact, highly engaging, and highly transformational experiences.

In this learning nugget episode, Gwyn is going to lead us through how to craft these truly transformational facilitated experiences. She offers deep insight gleaned from her years of field experience, and directly answers the burning questions that I know many of you have.

So, without further ado, please sit back and enjoy my conversation with Gwyn Wansbrough.

This week, we have a special one-on-one episode with yours truly. I hope you enjoy the sound of my voice because together we'll be exploring some of the lessons that I've learned from a book called The Living Company by Arie de Geus.

Arie de Geus was a Dutch business executive who did an incredible amount of research with his team on companies that have been around for longer than his (he worked at Shell), particularly ones 100 years old and older. These are companies that have displayed incredible longevity and sustainability. de Geus wanted to know why, and that's what we'll be exploring in this episode.

We'll also discuss the concept of stewardship and how that was one of the findings from their research. It also ties into our work on shared Vision, shared Assumptions, shared Stories, and shared Experiences, all captured within this idea of shared values, and how important those are in creating a sense of belonging.

And finally, we'll touch on a topic that is very much top-of-mind for me these days: tacit knowledge and converting that into explicit knowledge, which is something that I think a lot of companies currently struggle with. I'll start to touch on that topic, and I'll probably do another whole episode on that one as well because it's definitely deserving of it.

With that said, let us dive into the research, the lessons, and the stories behind The Living Company.

This week will feature 13 different guests of ours, all speaking and sharing their wisdom on the topic of mentorship.

I'm thrilled to present this mashup episode as a way to give thanks to our growing community. My incredible team has pulled together clips and categorized them in a way that allows me to go in and start looking for patterns and commonalities between the different guest conversations. And today, I want to present to you the very first of those on mentorship. I'm super excited to dive in here.

So, without further ado, let's learn about the incredibly important topic of mentors.

Joining me this week is Sheevaun Thatcher.

Sheevaun is somewhat of a legend in the sales enablement space. She created the role before it was actually even a role. About 15 years ago, she started performing the role of “Player Coach," as she mentions in the episode, for a company she worked for. She's been there from the beginning and has seen the sales enablement profession develop into what it is now.

In this episode, we dive into her wisdom accumulated over those years, especially from her time at RingCentral, where she grew an incredible team and the company from a $20 stock to an almost $500 stock in five years.

I loved recording this episode with Sheevaun and I'm convinced you'll enjoy listening to it. Please sit back and enjoy my episode with Sheevaun Thatcher.

Joining me this week is  Sheevaun Thatcher.

 Sheevaun is somewhat of a legend in the sales enablement space. She created the role before it was actually even a role. About 15 years ago, she started performing the role of “Player Coach", for a company that she was at. So she's been there from the beginning and has seen the sales enablement profession develop into what it is right now. 

In this "Rapid Fire 5" segment, I gather her first thoughts on five key questions related to learning and enablement. 

Joining me this week is Petek Hawkins.

This is a special episode because Petek and I are using it to make a very exciting announcement about Curious Lion. I'll cut this intro very short and let you dive right into the conversation.

Our conversation starts by looking at Petek’s journey and the lessons she's learned. And then we get right into our exciting announcement, what it means for us, and what it could mean for you.

So please sit back, relax, and enjoy this episode with Petek Hawkins.

What if the biggest threat to your career isn't AI taking your job, but you preparing for the wrong future?

In this special episode, Andrew Barry dives into conversations with eight visionary people leaders who are witnessing the AI revolution unfold in real-time. Recorded live at the Transform Conference in Las Vegas, these aren't your typical "AI will change everything" predictions. These are raw, honest discussions from leaders making tough decisions right now about which skills to invest in and how to lead teams through unprecedented uncertainty.

Here's the uncomfortable truth they're grappling with: Yes, AI will replace jobs. But while everyone's focused on the technology, these leaders discovered something unexpected about which organizations will actually survive – and it's not what you think.

From Vidyard's VP of People talking about the "scary excitement" of this moment, to EPAM's Chief Learning Scientist challenging companies to imagine their "AI-native" competitors, one startling consensus emerges: We're not just adapting to change – we're racing against organizations that don't exist yet

Ready to discover what skills will actually matter when AI can do almost everything else? This episode will change how you see the future of work – and your place in it.

Joining me this week is Andrew Gibbons.

Andrew is a Management Development Consultant from the UK. He has been helping people learn for the last 40 years. That’s right, 40 years of experience, and during that time, he’s been building a “Learning Log”.

This "Learning Log" now consists of 1.3 million handwritten words about all things learning, leadership, management, learning culture – all the great topics that we talk about on the show. It was an absolute pleasure to sit down with Andrew and pick his brain and talk about theories and ideas that have been around for decades that are still not being embraced today.

This conversation was like wandering through a library of all the topics that are most interesting and exciting to me. If you’ve been a longtime listener of this podcast, or if you’re just stumbling upon this for the first time and the topic interests you, this is the perfect place to start.

So, please sit back and enjoy my episode with Andrew Gibbons.

Joining me this week is Nikki Schanzer.

Nikki has just started a role as Senior Manager of Revenue Enablement at Outreach.

Before that, she headed the Go to Market Enablement at Hopin, and before that, the Revenue Enablement Lead for North America at Dropbox.

In this "Rapid Fire 5" segment, I gather her first thoughts on five key questions related to learning and enablement. 

Joining me this week is Nikki Schanzer.

Nikki has just started a role as Senior Manager of Revenue Enablement at Outreach. Before that, she headed the Go to Market Enablement at Hopin, and before that, the Revenue Enablement Lead for North America at Dropbox.

Meeting Nikki for the first time felt like we were long-lost friends. And I think this is true for a lot of people who share a common passion with each other - in this case, enabling people to be their best. Nikki is definitely a prototypical enabler of others.

We start our conversation by drawing lessons learned from her various roles over the years and focus not just on things that have worked well, but also on things that haven't. That was a theme that came through a lot in this episode.

This was a fun episode to record. I think you'll get a lot out of listening to it, so please sit back and enjoy my conversation with Nikki Schanzer.

Joining me this week is Paul Butterfield.

Scott is the Head of Sales Enablement at Clozd. It's a win-loss analysis platform for sales teams.

Paul's the VP of Global Revenue Enablement for Instructure. Those of you who are regular listeners of the show, remember when we had Brett Childs from the Revenue Enablement team at Instructure? Today, we have Brett's boss.

In this "Rapid Fire 5" segment, I gather his first thoughts on five key questions related to learning and enablement. 

Joining me this week is Paul Butterfield.

Paul's the VP of Global Revenue Enablement for Instructure. Those of you who are regular listeners of the show, remember when we had Brett Childs from the Revenue Enablement team at Instructure? Today, we have Brett's boss.

This was a really interesting episode for me because Paul is one of the OGs of the space and is one of the original gangsters of Sales Enablement. He understands and has seen the evolution of the function.

One of the coolest things I think you'll learn here is how you can use stories in the form of videos or internal podcasts to transfer tacit knowledge between people on the sales team. There's so much more in this episode, and I really enjoyed picking Paul's brain on all things sales enablement.

Please sit back and enjoy this episode with Paul Butterfield.

Joining me this week is Scott Knudson.

Scott is the Head of Sales Enablement at Clozd. It's a win-loss analysis platform for sales teams.

In this "Rapid Fire 5" segment, I gather his first thoughts on five key questions related to learning and enablement. 

Joining me this week is Scott Knudson.

Scott is the Head of Sales Enablement at Clozd. It's a win-loss analysis platform for sales teams. As you will find out later in the episode a product that their team uses religiously. But this episode isn't about the product Clozd - this is about the lessons that Scott has learned in sales and later in his current role in sales enablement, which he's done at various companies.

This was a fun episode to record, it's packed with a lot of good ideas.

Please sit back and enjoy my episode with Scott Knudson.

Joining me this week is Anthony Altieri.

Anthony is a self-professed IDIoT. He is the Instructional Developer of Internet of Things for his own business, Omnes Solutions. And he's a bit of an expert on LMS Operations and all the technology that underpins how we learn in organizations.

I wanted to get Anthony on the show to talk about the potential for the Internet of Things.

I think you'll find this episode very useful from a possibilities perspective, helping you think about how we can really tailor the learning experience, how we can deeply understand what people are doing, and personalize the experience for them. Anthony has been in the e-learning industry since 2004, so he brings a lot of experience to this discussion.

I'm sure you're going to enjoy this nugget of useful information from my guest, Anthony Altieri.

My guest today is Steffaney Zohrabyan.

Steffaney is the Sales Enablement, Innovation, and Insights Leader for Cisco. She specializes in microlearning in the flow of work. This was an education for me around the role technology can play to nudge, prompt and enable people to make the right decisions in specific moments.

In this "Rapid Fire 5" segment, I gather her first thoughts on five key questions related to learning and enablement. 

My guest today is Steffaney Zohrabyan.

Steffaney is the Sales Enablement, Innovation, and Insights Leader for Cisco where she specializes in microlearning in the flow of work. This was an education for me around the role technology can play to nudge, prompt and enable people to make the right decisions in specific moments. I think the impact of this work when combined with the power of cohort-based learning, which is obviously near and dear to our hearts at Curious Lion, is a potent combination.

If you are in Sales Enablement or you're looking to break into the field, you'll find something for you in this episode. Steffaney is also a ton of fun to talk with, so this was a really enjoyable episode, and I have no doubt you'll find deep value peppered throughout.

So please sit back and enjoy my episode with Steffaney Zohrabyan.

Today, we’re joined by Matt Conrad, a sales leader and storyteller who isn’t afraid to take off the armor. In this powerful conversation, Matt opens up about the career setbacks, challenges, and moments of clarity that shaped his leadership journey.

In this episode, Matt shares how vulnerability became his superpower and why leading with heart can transform not only teams, but entire cultures. 

We talk about the importance of curiosity, investing in personal growth, and creating space for others to show up authentically. 

Whether you’re in sales, leadership, or simply trying to lead a little more bravely in your own life, Matt’s story will remind you that trust starts with being real, and growth starts with letting go of perfection.

 Brett is the Director of Revenue Enablement at Instructure. He got into enablement on the back of a successful career in sales. Before that, he spent time as a missionary in Japan - so he is really able to blend that passion for teaching and coaching in this role, making an impact with the people on his team.  

In this "Rapid Fire 5" segment, I gather his first thoughts on five key questions related to learning and enablement. 

Brett is the Director of Revenue Enablement at Instructure. He got into enablement on the back of a successful career in sales. Before that, he spent time as a missionary in Japan - gifting him a unique ability to blend that passion for teaching and coaching to make an impact with the people on his team.

Brett is the first guest I've had on the show where it felt like at times that I was talking to myself.  It was almost uncanny how similar we think about enabling people and developing potential. So if you've been a fan of the show, I know you're going to enjoy this conversation with a kindred spirit.

So please sit back and enjoy this discussion with Brett Childs.

Joining me this week is Will Mannon.

Will is the Chief Product Officer for Write of Passage, an online cohort-based course to teach people how to become digital writers. They've taught over 1,000 people how to do this through eight cohorts, and I took this course in cohort two. I've been following their journey ever since, and I even became involved as a mentor in cohort five. It's been incredible to watch them push the boundaries of online education, cohort-based education, and how people really learn.

I'm excited to share this conversation with Will, someone I consider a good friend. Will and I have regular catch-ups on all things online education. As you'll find in this episode, it always ends up being an in-depth, far-ranging, and very enjoyable conversation.

We finish our conversation with a discussion about differences between 1990 and 2020 mindsets. I know you're going to love this one.

Please sit back and enjoy my conversation with Will Mannon.

Joining me this week is Al Dea.

Al is the founder of Betterwork Labs, a research, advisory, and training organization that helps other companies create better workplace cultures. I met Al after finding his research on LinkedIn, which really caught my eye. He identified six trends in how people develop themselves and their careers at work. He made an incredible graphic to go along and wrote up a post on the research. I knew as soon as I saw it that I had to get Al on the show to talk through these six trends. 

All of them push the boundaries of the future of Learning and Talent Development companies — and your people can leverage them. As someone responsible for developing or enabling people, learning to spot and act upon these trends is crucial.

In our conversation, we unpack each of these and talk through examples of companies he's seen in the space that are offering solutions. We also discuss how to approach and navigate the landscape of these companies. There is a ton of deep insight within Al's research, and it was a pleasure to unpack it with him on the show.

Please sit back and enjoy my episode with Al Dea.

Joining me this week is Kristen Hartley.

Kristen is the Head of Learning and Development for Pinterest. She's a former Deloitte Consultant with a background in Change Management, who has been doing Learning and Development as a function for only two and a half years - but she's been able to bring all that prior experience today in moving into this Head of L&D role at Pinterest. She also does some coaching as a side hustle and brings a lot of those skills to the function that she's responsible for at Pinterest.

I know you're going to pull a lot of great ideas from this conversation with someone out there practicing at an organization with such scale.

So please sit back and enjoy my conversation with Kristen Hartley.

Joining me this week is Jo Wright.

Jo is the firecracker CEO of Coaching Culture. It's a UK-based firm that specializes in the content and platforms to enable cultures of coaching, or as Jo puts it - to scale up coaching conversations.

I initially approached Jo on LinkedIn because I saw something on her website that I thought I disagreed with. And I thought it'd be fun to get into a conversation about the sort of battle between our two viewpoints. But the more I read what she was posting, and the more I dug into the website, the more I realized that we're actually on exactly the same page - that of learning culture and coaching culture. These are all just different names for the same thing, and I think that's the most exciting part of this for me. It's about enabling authentic leaders to have effective conversations by giving each other honest feedback, and building cultures of trust.

I took so many notes from this conversation. I'm sure you will, too.

So please sit back and enjoy my conversation with Jo Wright.

Joining me this week is Paul Millerd.

Paul is the author of a new book called the Pathless Path, as well as a freelance consultant and a Content Advisor to Curious Lion. He has been an indispensable help on a few client projects, assisting in assessing client’s existing Learning Cultures. This is the topic of today’s episode.

Paul spent more than a decade at companies like GE, McKinsey, and BCG as an organizational consultant, assessing, shaping, and cultivating strong organizational cultures.

Much of our conversation in this episode draws upon the work of Edgar Schein, one of the most impressive thinkers on organizational culture from the late 80s and early 90s.

You'll leave this episode knowing what role you can play in establishing and cultivating the culture you want to see at your company.

So please sit back and enjoy my episode with Paul Millerd.

Joining me this week is Ajay Pangarkar.

Ajay is an award-winning Performance and Cost Strategist. He's an expert on training in the workplace, as well as on finance and accounting. He's also an author, and his books bring together his wealth of experience and insight across these various fields. His most recent book, The Trainer's Balanced Scorecard , which he wrote with his co-author Teresa Kirkwood is the starting point for a lot of our conversation. 

We explore the often tricky topic of measuring training ROI, and with Ajay having authored and published multiple courses on these very topics, it was a real privilege to be able to pick his brain and map new insights. .

I know you're going to get a lot of value from this episode, so feel free to share any takeaways or moments that stand out to you.

For now, please sit back and enjoy my conversation with Ajay Pangarkar.

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Joining me this week is Steve Bousquet.

Steve is the President of American Landscape and Lawn Science, a lawn care and landscape business based in Connecticut. Reading that, many of you are probably thinking, "That's an interesting guest for a podcast about Learning Culture". I had the same thought when I first met Steve, a self professed learning nerd who never hesitates to hire a coach or to get a certification in something that he thinks could help him in what he sets out to do.

In this episode, we unpack important lessons about the learner path mindset that Steve has installed for his team of 30 people. It covers communication styles, leveraging strengths, the growth mindset, and of course, purpose. Steve shares some very practical tools that you could use to enhance these four areas of your business to promote and enable your people.

Sometimes you have to look at a business entirely different from your own, to learn a new approach that resonates and can be applied to the situation you face. I left my conversation with Steve energized by his fresh perspective, and with a new set of practical ideas that I want to apply at Curious Lion. I have no doubt that you will find gems of your own hidden within this conversation.

So please sit back and enjoy this episode with Steve Bousquet.

Joining me this week is Daniel Quick.

Daniel is the SVP for Learning Strategies at Thought Industries, a platform for customer education. He is also the author of a new book called The Customer Education Playbook, and most of our conversation revolves around the ideas that Daniel and his co-author share in the book.

I went into this conversation prepared, but still with massive blind spots on what customer education truly is. What I learned from speaking to Daniel is that this is to be expected, because the field of customer education is fresh and newly emerging. It's a bit of a mixture of instructional design, marketing,  entrepreneurship and research.

I think of Daniel as an SME for customer education. His book is an incredible resource for anybody who wants to get into the space, whether you are responsible for people development internally or for people development through customers. If you do anything in the field of education or learning, there are deep insights to be gleaned from Daniel's work.

So please sit back and enjoy my conversation with Daniel Quick.

Today, we’re joined by Tami Rosen, a trailblazer in talent and transformation, who brings a sharp perspective on how AI is reshaping the workplace and what that means for leaders, teams, and culture.

In this episode, Tami dives into the human edge: the adaptability, learning agility, and values-driven mindset that will define successful organizations in an AI-powered world. 

She explores how companies can foster a culture that embraces experimentation, clarity, and continuous learning and why that’s essential as traditional roles evolve into more flexible, skills-based models.

We also talk about the importance of communication during change, the shifting definition of expertise, and how individuals can use moments of uncertainty as a launchpad for growth.

Whether you're thinking about the future of work, leading transformation, or simply trying to stay grounded amid rapid change, Tami’s insights offer a clear, human-centered path forward.

Mark is the founder of Tech Learning Network, one of the leading video-based educational platforms around web development, mobile applications, programming, digital design, and a lot of skills that companies are going through digital transformations need more and more of.

Mark's background in the space goes back to the OG level era.  This was a fun, interesting, engaging conversation where we pushed some spiky points of view. 

So if you're looking for ideas and inspiration on how to make your learning more engaging, more effective, if you're looking for inspiration on what skills you should be thinking about as you start to build the skills architecture within your company, this conversation will give you a lot of great ideas.

So please sit back and enjoy my conversation with Mark Lassoff.

Joining me this week is Angus Fletcher.

Angus is a Professor of Story Science at Ohio State's Project Narrative. Project Narrative is the world's leading think tank for studying the nature of stories and how they work. He's also the author of Wonderworks, a book that explores the rich generational history of authors who laid out narrative and plot techniques that can help us understand how to overcome grief, stimulate joy or increase creativity. 

Ultimately, creativity is about tapping into the potential within. Unleashing hidden creativity is how we transform great companies into unbeatable learning machines. The work that Angus and his team does really pushes the envelope, and hones in on one of the cornerstone skills that we need to make a culture of learning a reality. Teaching creativity.

So if you're ready to join me on this journey, please sit back and enjoy this great conversation with Angus Fletcher.

Joining me this week is Anna Petosa.

Anna is the VP of People Operations at Pelmorex, a Canadian media company. She is responsible for the entire people function at a company of around 500 people. I met Anna through the work that we’re doing around Learning Culture. Anna thinks holistically about people within organizations, from the Operations, to the People Development, to Performance Management, and really everything in between. 

Please sit back, relax and enjoy my episode with Anna Petosa.

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