In this first full episode of the LR podcast, Chris and Brad start to dig into the question many leaders will be wondering: What does it actually mean to lead relationally?
After years of leadership courses, books, and seminars, the guys found themselves frustrated and unconfident when the theories didn’t translate into real-life success. The models were solid. The advice was helpful. But when it came to leading actual humans—with different personalities, emotions, and perspectives—something was lacking.
What they discovered is simple but challenging: you can’t lead relationally if you’re trying to grow alone.
They unpack the turning point in their own journeys—realizing that knowledge isn’t enough. Leadership growth requires conversation, vulnerability, and someone outside the chaos of your workplace who can challenge you safely. Enter “Dave.” Not a guru. Not a boss. Just a trusted, wise voice who asks the uncomfortable questions, calls them up to be better, and helps them examine their own hearts before trying to “fix” everyone else.
In this conversation, they explore:
• Why leadership information without relational growth falls flat
• The danger of trying to improve in isolation
• How unresolved frustration leaks onto your team (or your family)
• What it means to have a “Dave” in your life—and how to find one
• Why every leader eventually needs to become a Dave for someone else
This episode is both practical and deeply personal—a reminder that relational leadership doesn’t start with techniques. It starts with doing the inner work in trusted community.
If you want to lead people well, don’t just listen to podcasts about leadership. Find your Dave. Start the conversation. And don’t try to do it alone.
