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The Landscape Business Growth Lab

Ron McCabe

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Frequency: 1 episode/43d. Total Eps: 7

Real conversations with landscaping business owners about what it takes to build a company that lasts. Each episode is hosted by Ron McCabe, founder of Everbearing Services. After a successful career as a technologist in the Silicon Valley, Ron transitioned to the green industry. For over 15 years, he has helped landscape companies transition from referrals to repeatable growth. Ron brings Silicon Valley growth strategies and out-of-the-box thinking to the digital marketing space. Each monthly episode features business owners and industry experts who share how they got started, what tools they rely on, and how they make critical decisions that keep their operations moving forward. They offer direct insights and give helpful advice on how to grow. Guests discuss how they got started in the landscaping business, marketing tips, and business strategies. Each episode focuses on the real-world decisions that drive sustainable growth. The Landscape Business Growth Lab is produced by Everbearing Services, a digital marketing agency focused exclusively on the landscape industry.

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🇨🇦 Canada - marketing
06/07/2026
#99
🇨🇦 Canada - marketing
05/07/2026
#70

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https://nextdoor.com
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No risk, no reward: How Bill & Carole Ticer made hard changes that led to amazing growth

Episode 7

Wednesday, June 17, 2026 • Duration 53:55

Bill and Carole Ticer built B&C Landscaping in McKinney, Texas from the ground up. Bill started in 2001 with a mower and a pickup truck, and for nearly two decades they ran a tight, intentional operation under 1.2 million dollars in revenue. They were raising their kids, caring for aging parents, and choosing family over growth on purpose. In 2021, everything shifted.

In this episode, host Ron McCabe sits down with Bill and Carole to talk about what actually changed and what it cost them to change it. They get into the Nashville conference that lit the fire, joining Mark Bradley's Landscaper program, building out SOPs with AI, going from 15 commercial properties to 150, losing 12 long-tenured employees in a cultural reset, bringing their daughter Kimberly in to run marketing, and walking away from a 23-year client worth half a million dollars a year.

This is one of the most honest conversations on the show about what it looks like to grow a landscaping business the right way, not the fast way.

[0:00] Bill and Carol Ticer of B&C Landscaping

[2:13] Bill started in 1984 at Chem Lawn

[4:49] Why they stayed under 1.2M for years

[6:28] Nashville event changes their outlook

[13:37] Joining Landscaper with Mark Bradley

[17:06] Losing 12 employees in a culture reset

[25:11] AI-powered huddles and SOP systems

[41:02] Daughter Kimberly leads marketing growth

COMPANIES MENTIONED

B&C Landscaping, McKinney, Texas

Everbearing Services

Chem Lawn

Weather Matic

Landscaper (founded by Mark Bradley)

Harvest Group (Ed Laflamme)

Fox (Bill Bennett)

Disruptors (Justin White)

ChatGPT

WEBSITES MENTIONED

Landscape Business Growth Lab: landscapebusinessgrowth.com

Everbearing Services: mentioned as the host company

GUEST INFORMATION

Bill Ticer

Co-owner and operator of B&C Landscaping in McKinney, Texas. Bill began his career in the green industry in 1984 with Chem Lawn, spent roughly 12 years in the automotive industry, and returned to landscaping in 2001. He built the company from a single mower in the back of a pickup to a multi-million dollar operation serving residential and commercial clients across the Dallas-Fort Worth metroplex.

Carol Ticer

Co-owner of B&C Landscaping. Carol came from a corporate IT background and joined the business full-time in 2011. She brought a process-driven mindset to a company that had operated largely on informal systems, and she has led the operational and cultural changes including the introduction of SOPs, crew huddles, and accountability standards the business runs on today.

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From $0 to $250K: How Mike Rhine Built The TurfGuy From Scratch

Episode 6

Friday, March 27, 2026 • Duration 01:01:16

The first $50,000 is the hardest! Mike Rhine grows the TurfGuy from zero to $250,000.

Learn about Mike Rhine's journey building The TurfGuy from scratch in 2019. Six years in, Mike is positioned to grow to $400–500K in 2026. This is after starting with a nearly paid-off Camaro and no clients in 2019. The first $50K–60K was the hardest part. Once he figured out his process and marketing, the business accelerated to $250K.

This episode is for the landscaper just starting out. Mike talks about how he got going, what steps he took to increase his growth, and how he achieved over 40% revenue growth last year. He also gives direction on where to focus and what to avoid when you're starting out. Mike breaks down real overhead numbers, how he priced his way out of undercharging, why he had to let go of the field work, and how he thinks about business risk through the lens of poker.

TIMESTAMPS

00:01:44 – Mike Rhine intro and background

00:02:27 – Golf course roots and turf school

00:08:00 – Launching the business during COVID

00:11:33 – Danielle's role from day one

00:16:23 – Pricing and real overhead breakdown

00:24:39 – Early marketing: Nextdoor, newspaper, Facebook

00:38:28 – Choosing LMN over WorkWave

00:46:21 – Poker parallels to running a business

ABOUT THE GUEST

Mike Rhine is the owner of The TurfGuy in Kokomo, Indiana. He spent a decade as a golf course superintendent before starting his landscaping company at the beginning of COVID. In five years he grew the business to $250K in revenue and is targeting $400–500K in his sixth season.

Website: https://www.the-turfguy.com

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What Happens When You Build A Landscape Business Around Your Values With Todd Blossom

Episode 5

Monday, January 26, 2026 • Duration 49:21

Ron McCabe sits down with Todd Blossom, owner of Blossom in Portland, Oregon, to talk about how a values driven landscape company takes shape over time. Ron walks through Todd's early years in the field, what pulled him toward permaculture, and how caring for land, people, and city infrastructure came together in one business. Todd talks about right livelihood, what it means to build a company that matches his life, and how he keeps work grounded in observation instead of trends.

Ron also talks with Todd about the stormwater retrofit work he led with the City of Portland, his move into electric maintenance equipment, and how native plants and lawn conversions support birds, soil, and long term garden health. Todd shares how contracts with the city helped him ride out market swings, why his team now leans on clear systems and SOPs, and what it takes to grow at a steady pace without losing the heart of the company.

Chapters:

00:07 - Learning Through Mistakes in Permaculture
03:38 - The Journey of Growth and Self-Discovery in Landscaping
12:20 - Embracing Permaculture Philosophy
15:08 - The Role of Stormwater Management in Urban Planning
24:14 - Transitioning to Electric Equipment in Landscaping
29:01 - The Importance of Team Dynamics in Business Growth
38:17 - Navigating Business Growth: The Conductor's Role
44:09 - The Importance of Nature in Our Lives
46:07 - Building an Ecological Mindset

Short list Companies Mentioned

Blossom (Blossom PDX)
City of Portland
Greenworks (equipment partner)
Bird Alliance (Backyard Habitat Certification Program)

Short list Websites Mentioned

Blossom PDX: https://www.blossompdx.com
Landscape Business Growth Lab: https://landscapebusinessgrowthlab.com
Overbearing Services: https://overbearingservices.com

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Father and Son Both Sold Their Landscape Companies: Here's What They Did Differently

Episode 4

Monday, December 1, 2025 • Duration 36:35

In this episode, I sat down with Will Bailey from Avid Landscape to talk about building a solid landscape business. Will shared his journey from working in his dad's mechanic shop to running operations at some of Seattle's top landscaping companies. We covered what it takes to grow without losing quality, the real experience of going through a business acquisition, and how to think about your exit when the time comes.

Will and I also spent time talking about his late father, Rod Bailey, who was a true pioneer in bringing financial discipline to the landscaping industry. Rod's influence shaped not just Will's career but the entire Pacific Northwest landscape community. We got into the details of project management, the role of technology in scaling a service business, and what it means to build something that lasts.

Chapters:

00:06 - The Impact of Retirement on Life
04:53 - The Legacy of a Landscape Business
08:34 - The Influence of a Legacy: Rod Bailey's Impact on the Landscaping Industry
14:50 - The Legacy of a Pioneer: Lessons from a Life in Business
19:32 - Navigating Business Partnerships and Changes
31:02 - Navigating Business Transitions: Insights on Selling and Succession Planning
33:44 - The Importance of Staying Engaged After Retirement

Takeaways:

The line between retirement and active life is thinner than we think, with many folks still having much to offer post-retirement, as highlighted in the discussions.
Investing in landscaping isn't just about aesthetics; it represents a growing business opportunity that can lead to significant financial returns and personal satisfaction.
The importance of personal integrity and accountability in business is paramount, as learned from the experiences shared about Rod Bailey's legacy in the industry.
Navigating business acquisitions can be complex, and understanding the motivations of buyers is crucial for a successful transition, as shared through personal experiences.
Technology is revolutionizing the landscaping industry, streamlining operations and enhancing customer service, which is vital for future growth and efficiency.

Scaling For Growth Sustainability In Landscaping - Strategizing Your Burn Rate

Episode 3

Monday, November 3, 2025 • Duration 36:36

Managing cash flow is a tricky beast, especially for landscaping businesses navigating seasonal fluctuations. In this episode, we dive deep into how growth can sometimes strangle your cash flow if you're not keeping a tight grip on your numbers. We chat with Joe and Carla from CycleCPA, who emphasize the importance of tracking fixed assets like mowers and trucks to ensure you’re getting your money’s worth. They lay out key performance indicators that every landscaping business should monitor as they scale up, including return on fixed assets and fixed asset turnover. If you’re looking to grow without falling into the cash crunch trap, we break down strategies to keep your operations running smoothly and your finances in check.

Chapters:

00:13 - Understanding Cash Flow Challenges
08:41 - Understanding the Financial Metrics for Landscaping Businesses
11:13 - Starting a Landscaping Business: Financial Fundamentals
24:26 - Navigating Cash Flow Challenges in Growing Businesses
29:28 - Navigating Cash Flow Challenges in Landscape Businesses

We explore the challenges that seasonal companies face, highlighting how growth, while typically seen as a positive, can actually strain cash resources if not handled correctly. The speakers emphasize the importance of understanding key performance indicators (KPIs) like return on fixed assets and fixed asset turnover, which can provide valuable insights into how effectively a company is utilizing its equipment and resources. They underline the necessity of tracking these numbers to avoid costly mistakes, especially in an industry where equipment can represent a significant investment. By discussing the various stages of business growth, they also provide practical advice on how landscaping businesses can position themselves for success, ensuring that they remain financially healthy even during off-peak seasons. Ultimately, the episode serves as a wake-up call for business owners to keep a close eye on their financials and to develop robust systems for managing cash flow, ensuring sustainable growth in the long run.

Takeaways:

Cash flow management is crucial for seasonal businesses, as growth can complicate finances significantly.

Chasing $1 Billion: A CEO's Vision for Landscape Business Growth

Episode 2

Wednesday, October 15, 2025 • Duration 51:14

I had an incredible conversation with Justin White, CEO of K&D Landscaping, and it reminded me why I love this industry so much. Justin took his parents' small family business and scaled it from $1.5 million to $20 million in revenue in just nine years. But what really struck me wasn't just the numbers; it was his vision to create generational wealth for his entire team through a potential IPO by 2035. That's the kind of thinking that's going to change the industry forever.

We dove deep into the realities of growing a landscape business in today's market, including why 2025 has been tougher than expected for so many of us. Justin opened up about the adversity he's faced, the importance of leadership mindset, and why he created The Disruptors community to help other contractors accelerate their growth. If you're ready to stop playing small and start building something that outlasts you, this episode is packed with actionable insights you can implement right away.

Timestamps

3:04 - Growing Up in a Family Landscape Business: The Real Story

8:23 - The Turning Point: From $1.5M to $20M in Nine Years

14:19 - Adversity & Leadership: When Your Business Doesn't Love You Back

19:42 - Why 2025 Has Been Challenging for Landscapers Nationwide

26:34 - The Billion-Dollar Vision: Creating Generational Wealth

32:31 - Inside The Disruptors: Building a Community of High Performers

43:08 - Who Thrives in The Disruptors & How to Get Involved

48:07 - Take Action: Set an Unreasonable Goal Before Year-End

Links & Resources

Justin White & K&D Landscaping:

Website: jwhitegroup.com
LinkedIn & Instagram: @JustinWhiteKNDLandscaping

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Your Landscaping Business Needs to Be the Best Place to Work | Company Culture = Team Retention

Episode 1

Wednesday, October 1, 2025 • Duration 30:41

Attracting the best talent starts with being the best place to work. In this episode, Chad Knight shares how he transformed a small backflow testing company into a thriving tech-forward irrigation business by focusing on clear organizational values. He emphasizes the importance of hiring people who align with those values and ensuring that they can focus on fantastic work instead of repetitive tasks that automation can handle. Chad's journey highlights the balance between leveraging technology and maintaining a strong company culture, which he believes is essential for sustainable growth. If you want to elevate your landscaping business, understanding the value of your team and creating an environment where they can thrive is key.

The Landscape Growth Lab Podcast EP. 1:

Your Landscaping Business Needs to Be the Best Place to Work | Company Culture = Team Retention

0:00 - Values-Based Hiring Success

0:51 - Landscape Growth Lab Introduction

1:05 - Chad Knight's Background Story

2:55 - Organizational Values Framework

5:52 - Creating Scalable Systems

8:32 - Technology and Automation Impact

11:12 - Counterintuitive Hiring Decisions

14:32 - Premium Service Positioning

17:12 - Deep Green Technology Division

19:12 - Firewise Landscaping Approach

23:42 - Future of Irrigation Business

28:55 - Best Workplace Philosophy

Chad Knight's journey from COO of EarthCruiser to the owner of Deschutes Backflow is a testament to how values shape a business's success. He emphasizes the importance of hiring based on alignment with core values like courage, excellence, growth, and teamwork. By establishing these values, Chad creates a framework that empowers his team to make decisions autonomously, allowing for a scalable and efficient operation. The focus on building a company culture where employees feel valued not only attracts top talent but also drives the organization toward sustainable growth. Chad's insights into automation further highlight his strategy for maintaining quality service without overextending the workforce. He argues that by leveraging technology to handle repetitive tasks, businesses can free skilled workers to focus on providing exceptional service, thus creating a competitive edge in the irrigation industry.

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