The Kodeco Podcast: For App Developers and Gamers – Details, episodes & analysis

If you’ve ever wondered how to choose between Flutter and Kotlin Multiplatform—or what it’s like to use both in real-world production apps—this special double-length episode is your definitive guide. Google Developer Experts Roman Jaquez and Kevin Moore join us to unpack the realities of cross-platform mobile development. From cutting-edge healthcare apps to Bluetooth integrations and developer best practices, Roman and Kevin share deep insights, honest comparisons, and tips for mastering multi-platform dev in 2025.

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Show Notes

Join Jenn and Dru for a deep dive into the world of cross-platform development with two expert guests: Roman Jaquez and Kevin Moore. From architecture to animations, this episode explores the strengths, trade-offs, and future of Flutter and Kotlin Multiplatform (KMP). The conversation also covers practical advice for testing, performance, state management, and how to future-proof your skills as a mobile developer.

Highlights from this episode:

• How Flutter and Kotlin Multiplatform (KMP) compare in real-world app development—including where each shines.
• Roman’s journey bringing Flutter into a large healthcare organization and the productivity gains that followed.
• Kevin’s experience building cross-platform apps with Flutter and integrating native Bluetooth code through plugins.
• Best practices for managing app architecture, UI consistency, and platform-specific code in Flutter and KMP.
• State management options like Provider, Riverpod, and Bloc—when to use them and what to watch out for.
• Tools and techniques for performance optimization, testing, and debugging across platforms.
• Roman and Kevin’s thoughts on the future of mobile development—from hot reload to AI-driven coding tools.

Mentioned in This Episode

• Kevin’s New Book: Kotlin Multiplatform by Tutorials – A Book about Kotlin Multiplatform.
• Kevin’s Book Mastering Flutter: Learn to develop Flutter apps for iOS, Android, desktop and web.
• Flutter — Google’s UI toolkit for building natively compiled apps from a single codebase.
• Kotlin Multiplatform — JetBrains’ solution for sharing code across mobile, web, and more.
• pub.dev — Find Flutter plugins and packages.
• Rive — A powerful tool for designing and integrating interactive animations in Flutter apps.
• Firebase Test Lab — Run automated tests across a range of devices in the cloud.
• FlutterTap Newsletter – See all the latest news about Flutter and Dart.
• Code with Andrea Newsletter – Learn Dart, Flutter and Firebase.
• Widget Tricks Newsletter – A Flutter newsletter to share tips and tricks.

Contact Kevin, Roman & the Hosts

• Find Kevin on LinkedIn, Bluesky and X.
• Find Roman everywhere:
  • LinkedIn
  • X
  • BlueSky
  • YouTube
• Jenn on LinkedIn
• Dru on Mastodon.
• Email the Podcast Team.

Follow Kodeco

• Kodeco on LinkedIn
• Kodeco on X/Twitter
• Kodeco on Facebook

Where to Go From Here?

We hope you enjoyed this episode of our podcast. Be sure to subscribe in Apple Podcasts or Spotify to get notified when the next episode comes out.

Hoping to learn more about a particular aspect of mobile development or life and work as a dev? Please write in and tell us and we’ll do our best to make that happen! Write in too if you yourself would like to be a guest or your have a particular guest request and we’ll see what we can do. Drop a comment here, or email us anytime at podcast@teamkodeco.com.

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If you’ve ever grumbled at boilerplate code or watched your Kotlin build crawl, this episode is your shortcut to sanity. Android engineer and Kodeco veteran Dean Djermanović joins us to break down Kotlin Symbol Processing (KSP) — a powerful tool for clean code and fast builds. Whether you’re new to KSP or curious how it stacks up against kapt, Dean brings real-world insights, practical tips, and an inspiring journey from coder to conference speaker. Tune in to learn why KSP might just be your new favorite dev tool.

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Show Notes

Join Jenn and Dru as they chat with Android engineer and Kodeco contributor Dean Djermanović about Kotlin Symbol Processing (KSP). Whether you’re curious about speeding up your Kotlin builds or tired of repetitive boilerplate, KSP might be the tool you didn’t know you needed. Dean walks us through how it works, when to use it, and how he’s applied it to real-world projects.

Highlights from this episode:

• What Kotlin Symbol Processing (KSP) is and how it helps Kotlin developers generate code more efficiently.
• The differences between KSP and kapt—and why KSP is now the preferred approach.
• A step-by-step walkthrough of building a simple KSP processor.
• How Dean used KSP in production to automate mapper class generation and reduce manual updates.
• Tips for learning KSP, avoiding common pitfalls, and integrating it smoothly into your projects.

Mentioned in This Episode

• Kodeco’s Kotlin Symbol Processing Tutorial — Learn how to get rid of the boilerplate code within your app by using Kotlin Symbol Processor (KSP) to generate a class for creating Fragments.
• DroidCon — Conferences where Dean has presented KSP use cases in real-world apps.
• Kotlin Slack — Look for the #ksp channel to connect with the KSP team and other devs using it.
• Fuel your brain and body with Eggs in a Basket.

Contact Dean and the Hosts

• Find Dean on LinkedIn and Bluesky.
• Jenn on LinkedIn
• Dru on Mastodon.
• Email the Podcast Team.

Follow Kodeco

• Kodeco on LinkedIn
• Kodeco on X/Twitter
• Kodeco on Facebook

Where to Go From Here?

We hope you enjoyed this episode of our podcast. Be sure to subscribe in Apple Podcasts or Spotify to get notified when the next episode comes out.

Hoping to learn more about a particular aspect of mobile development or life and work as a dev? Please write in and tell us and we’ll do our best to make that happen! Write in too if you yourself would like to be a guest or your have a particular guest request and we’ll see what we can do. Drop a comment here, or email us anytime at podcast@teamkodeco.com.

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iOSDevHappyHour Host Mikaela Caron and PhonePe employee Bhagat Singh face off to talk about the differences between being an indie developer and a corporate developer. Join Dru and Jenn for this exciting episode!

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Contact Us

• Dru Freeman on X (Twitter)
• Jennifer Bailey on X (Twitter)
• Mikaela Caron on the Internet
• Bhagat Singh on X (Twitter)
• Email the Podcast Team

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It’s a roundtable whirlwind when Fuad Kamal and Franklin Byaruhanga join Dru, Suz, and Jenn to discuss and list their favorite apps as developers.

Fuad Kamal and Franklin Byaruhanga, seasoned contributors to Kodeco, share their insights on mobile app development tools and techniques. Fuad discusses his expertise in mobile strategies for health and fitness, while Franklin brings his background in telecommunications and open-source projects to the table. Listen in as they discuss their favorite development tools, experiences, and much more in a roundtable discussion aimed at helping developers navigate the evolving tech landscape.

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Show Notes Developers’ Favorite Apps IDEs

Xcode Xcode 15 – Apple Developer

Android Studio Download Android Studio & App Tools – Android Developers

IntelliJ IDEA IntelliJ IDEA – the Leading Java and Kotlin IDE

GitHub Copilot Connect your Github account

MIT App Inventor MIT App Inventor

Playgrounds

Swift Playgrounds Swift Playgrounds – Apple Developer

Kotlin Playground Kotlin Playground | Android Developers

UI / Design

Figma Figma – The Collaborative Interface Design Tool

Figjam The Online Collaborative Whiteboard for Teams

Reveal Reveal by Itty Bitty Apps

OmniGraffle Visual Communication Software To Make Pro Diagrams – OmniGraffle – The Omni Group

Canva Canva – Visual Suite for Everyone

Midjourney Join the Midjourney Discord Server!

Networking Endpoint / Client-Server Testing

Postman Postman API Platform | Sign Up for Free

RapidAPI (Previously Paw) Rapid – The Next Generation API Hub

Swagger API Documentation & Design Tools for Teams | Swagger

Examining Packet Content

Proxyman Proxyman · Debug, intercept & mock HTTP with Proxyman

Charles Charles Web Debugging Proxy • HTTP Monitor / HTTP Proxy / HTTPS & SSL Proxy / Reverse Proxy

Documentation

Dash Dash for macOS – API Documentation Browser, Snippet Manager – Kapeli

A Companion for SwiftUI A Companion for SwiftUI

Source Code Control / Git Clients

Tower Tower Git Client – The most powerful Git client for Mac and Windows

Fork Fork – a fast and friendly git client for Mac and Windows

SourceTree Sourcetree | Free Git GUI for Mac and Windows

GitKraken GitKraken Legendary Git Tools | GitKraken

GitHub Desktop GitHub Desktop

Atlassian’s Git tutorials Git Tutorials and Training | Atlassian Git Tutorial

Comparisons / Merge Conflicts Resolution

Kaleidoscope Git Diff and Merge Tool and Text Comparison | Kaleidoscope

BBEdit Bare Bones Software | BBEdit 15

Notetaking

Bear Bear

Quiver The Programmer’s Notebook – yliansoft

BBEdit Bare Bones Software | BBEdit 15

TODOs

Habitica Habitica – Gamify Your Life

Reading, Including PDFs

Notability Notability

Noteful Noteful – Handwritten Notes, Paper & PDF

Calendaring

Calendly Free Online Appointment Scheduling Software | Calendly

Fantastical Fantastical

Cozi Cozi Family Organizer | Must-Have App For Families

Contact Us

• Dru Freeman on X (Twitter)
• Susannah Skyer Gupta on X (Twitter)
• Jennifer Bailey on X (Twitter)
• Fuad Kamal on X (Twitter)
• Fuad Kamal on Mastadon
• Franklin Byaruhanga on LinkedIn
• Email the Podcast Team
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Dru and Jenn are joined by AlexSullivan and Filip Babic to help understand the transition developers are making from old XML UIs into the new Jetpack Compose world.

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Show Notes XML vs Jetpack Compose

• Jetpack Compose by Tutorials Book – Kodeco
• Getting Started with Jetpack Compose Article – Kodeco

Contact Us

• Dru Freeman on X (Twitter)
• Jennifer Bailey on X (Twitter)
• Alex Sullivan on X (Twitter)
• Filip Babic on LinkedIn
• Email the Podcast Team

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Professor Brad Ashburn joins Dru and Suz to talk about the trials and tribulations in his journey from writing an iOS app to getting it published in the Apple App Store.

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Special thanks to this episode’s sponsor, Porkbun.com. Porkbun is offering .app, .dev, or .foo domain names for only a dollar for the first year! They’re the perfect domain extensions for iOS, Android, or Flutter, developers creating the next great mobile app for 2024 and beyond. Showcase your latest project with instant credibility in the tech community and get your hard work noticed.

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Show Notes Get Your App in the App Store

• iOS App Distribution & Best Practices Book – Kodeco
• Android App Distribution Book – Kodeco
• iOS App Distribution Course – Kodeco
• Kodeco Discord Channel for app beta testers Discord – Kodeco
• Brad Ashburn and his Apps Home Page – Brad Ashburn
• App Store Connect Web Portal – Apple
• App Store Guidelines Developer Documentation – Apple
• Apple Search Ads Web Portal – Apple

Contact Us

• Dru Freeman on X (Twitter)
• Susannah Skyer Gupta on X (Twitter)
• Brad Ashburn on X (Twitter)
• Email the Podcast Team

Where to Go From Here?

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How do you level up in your development career? If you’re interested in how to upskill from a junior-level developer to a senior dev, you’ll get great advice here from people who have been there themselves. Guests rain down on us as Harlan Kellaway, Ben MacKinnon, and Adrian Strahan join Jenn and Dru to talk about the path from climbing the developer rungs from Junior to Senior.

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Show Notes Leveling Up

• Hack Your Job Search – Kodeco
• Continuous Learning Strategies for Successful Developers – Kodeco
• When Can I Call Myself a Senior Developer – Kodeco

Contact Us

• Dru Freeman on Twitter
• Susannah Skyer Gupta on Twitter
• Jennifer Bailey on Twitter
• Harlan Kellaway on Twitter
• Ben MacKinnon on Twitter
• Adrian Strahan on Twitter
• Email the Podcast Team

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It’s all AI this episode as Mina Gerges and Dan Ilies take all three of our hosts down the rabbit hole. Join Dru, Suz, and Jenn for an amazing episode.

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Show Notes AI

• Introducing GPTs
• The Do’s and Don’ts of Using AI in Software Development
• Building a Mobile App in 2 DAYS with AI + speaking on stage about it.
• GitHub Copilot in Visual Studio Code
• Playground AI image generator
• FigJam: Figma AI
• CodeAI: AI for Xcode

Contact Us

• Dru Freeman on Twitter
• Susannah Skyer Gupta on Twitter
• Jennifer Bailey on Twitter
• Mina Gerges on Twitter
• Dan Ilies on Instagram
• Email the Podcast Team

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Dru and Jennifer are joined by Eric Van de Kerckhove to talk about the indie gave developer shift from Unity to Godot as a game development and engine platform.

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Show Notes #StandWithUkraine

• Help Support Ukraine – NPR
• UN Refugee Agency – UNHCR
• Ukraine Support – Red Cross
• International Rescue Committee – IRC
• Voices of Children
• World Central Kitchen

Moving to Godot From Unity

• Getting Started With Godot for Unity Developers by Eric Van de Kerckhove
• Godot Game Engine
• DARKBasic Professional, Now Open-Surce
• GameMaker: Free 2D Game Engine
• Unity
• Learn C# for Unity
• Remembering XNA
• Unreal Engine
• GDScript reference

Contact Us

• Dru Freeman on Twitter
• Susannah Skyer Gupta on Twitter
• Eric Van de Kerckhove on Twitter
• Email the Podcast Team

Where to Go From Here?

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Friend of the show Tim Mitra joins us to talk about the new Vision Pro coming from Apple! And he’s got course materials too! Tim not only has 20 years of iOS experience, but he was recently invited to Apple’s Vision Pro Lab to try out the new tech. Find out what he thought about the Vision Pro and how you will be able to incorporate visionOS into your own apps in the near future.

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Show Notes #StandWithUkraine

• Help Support Ukraine – NPR
• UN Refugee Agency – UNHCR
• Ukraine Support – Red Cross
• International Rescue Committee – IRC
• Voices of Children
• World Central Kitchen

Vision Pro and XR

• Apple’s landing page for all things visionOS
• Introduction to visionOS
• Face Tracking with Reality Kit
• Apple Augmented Reality by Tutorials
• Blender (for making 3D objects)
• Blender: How to Make a Mushroom
• Beginning 3D Modeling With Blender
• Nomad Sculpt on iPad
• Tinkered
• Quick Look Gallery
• Designing RealityKit Content With Reality Composer Pro

Contact Us

• Dru Freeman on Twitter
• Susannah Skyer Gupta on Twitter
• Tim Mitra on Twitter
• Email the Podcast Team

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