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| School Closures: Spotlight on Integrated Schools - Portland | 11 Nov 2026 | 00:54:42 | |
School closures are on the table in districts across the country. Declining enrollment, aging buildings, and tight budgets are forcing difficult conversations about the future of public education. But when districts decide which schools to close, which to consolidate, and which to preserve, whose interests are being prioritized? And how have decades of school choice policies shaped the options available today? In Portland, Oregon, those questions are front and center. Portland Public Schools is considering a sweeping restructuring of its elementary schools, with proposals that could close more than a dozen buildings. And while the district grapples with declining enrollment, a group of parents is asking a fundamental question: **What would it look like to prioritize neighborhood schools and the children who rely on them?** We're joined by Elizabeth Doerr, a parent, writer, and coordinator of the Portland chapter of Integrated Schools. Elizabeth is also one of the organizers behind Rightsizing the Right Way, a grassroots campaign challenging the district to examine how its school choice system has contributed to segregation and inequitable access to resources. Elizabeth shares her journey to Integrated Schools, from questioning the assumptions White families make about "good" and "bad" schools to choosing her own diverse neighborhood school. She reflects on what it means to show up thoughtfully in an integrated school community, the importance of finding people who share our commitments, and the ways we can interrupt the often-unexamined patterns of school choice. We also dig into the specifics of Portland's school system. Magnet-style "focus option" schools, charter schools, and dual-language immersion programs offer families alternatives to their neighborhood schools. But those options aren't equally accessible, and Elizabeth argues that their impact on enrollment and resources must be part of any honest conversation about school closures. The Rightsizing the Right Way campaign is working to bring those inequities into the conversation, building a coalition of parents across the city and challenging the district to think beyond the immediate challenges of declining enrollment. The conversation is also about organizing itself. What does it take to bring people together around a shared vision? How do we measure success when the changes we're seeking may take years, or even generations? And what happens when the work of building community is itself one of the most important outcomes? Elizabeth reminds us that meaningful change rarely happens overnight. Sometimes the work is about preparing the ground, building relationships, and creating the conditions for people to act when the moment arrives. Ultimately, this is a conversation about the power of community. Schools can be places where we learn to recognize our shared humanity, but only if we're willing to invest in them, in one another, and in the collective future we're trying to create. LINKS:
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| Demystifying School Funding | 28 Oct 2026 | 01:03:58 | |
We all want what's best for our kids. But who do we include when we say "our kids"? Just the children in our homes? The kids at our school? In our district? How big are we willing to draw that circle? It might seem like a strange place to start a conversation about school funding, but as it turns out, those questions are at the heart of how we fund our public schools. We're joined by Zahava Stadler, Director of the Education Funding Equity Initiative at New America, to help us make sense of the complicated world of school funding. Zahava breaks down how federal, state, and local dollars come together to fund our schools, why even well-intentioned state funding formulas often fall short of achieving equity, and how the history of housing segregation continues to shape which children have access to educational resources. But the connection between segregation and funding goes even deeper. As Zahava explains, school funding inequities don't just reflect residential segregation—they help drive it. The boundaries we draw around school districts determine not only who attends school together, but also whose property wealth supports whose education. And those boundaries aren't inevitable. We created them, and we can change them. That possibility is at the heart of New America's groundbreaking Redrawing the Lines project and its new School District Merger Lab, an interactive tool that allows users to explore how merging school districts could impact racial and economic integration and funding equity across their state. Rather than simply accepting district boundaries as they exist, what if we drew them with equity in mind? We also discuss the current state of school funding, the opportunities and threats facing public education, and how parents, caregivers, and community members can get involved in advocating for fairer funding systems. Zahava brings us back to that question of who we consider "our kids." Our district boundaries and funding formulas are a reflection of the answer we've given so far. But those decisions aren't permanent, and we have an opportunity to make a different choice—one that extends our sense of responsibility beyond the kids who happen to live on our side of the line. LINKS
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| Reflecting on Nikole Hannah-Jones and the Choice for Integration | 14 Oct 2026 | 01:07:58 | |
Ten years ago, Nikole Hannah-Jones wrote a powerful essay about choosing a predominantly Black, low-income public school for her daughter, Najya. That piece helped inspire a generation of parents to think differently about school choice, including many of us at Integrated Schools. Now, a decade later, Hannah-Jones has returned to that decision, this time through the eyes of her 16-year-old daughter, who has some very different feelings about the education she received. Her new essay, In Fighting for Every Black Child, Did I Betray My Own?, has sparked a national conversation about school segregation, parenting, privilege, and the tension between doing what's best for our own children and doing what's right for all children. To help us wrestle with these questions, we're joined by two mothers with different experiences and perspectives. Marian Dingle, a longtime educator and Black mother of two adult children, reflects on the choices she made for her own kids and the importance of protecting their identities and humanity. Jenny Devenny, a White mother in Brooklyn and leader of Integrated Schools' NYC chapter, shares why Hannah-Jones's experience has strengthened, rather than shaken, her commitment to integration. Together, we explore what makes a school "good," the limits of school ratings and test scores, the role of parents in advocating for their children, and the ways race shapes the risks and opportunities families encounter. We also consider what it means to stay engaged when a school isn't perfect, how we define success for our children, and why the responsibility for integration cannot continue to fall disproportionately on Black families. Hannah-Jones's reflections are a reminder that one family's choices cannot undo generations of systemic inequity. But that doesn't mean our choices don't matter. At the heart of this conversation is a question we return to often at Integrated Schools: How wide can we draw the circle of children we consider "our kids"? We are deeply grateful to Nikole Hannah-Jones and Najya for sharing their experiences so honestly, and to Marian and Jenny for helping us sit with the complexity, discomfort, and possibility of this work. LINKS
ABOUT OUR GUESTS Marian Dingle is a longtime elementary school educator, mother of two adult children, and advocate for educational justice. Drawing on her experience as a Black mother, teacher, and daughter of an educator, she brings a perspective on the importance of academic opportunity, belonging, and protecting children's humanity. Jenny Devenny is a White mother of two in Brooklyn, New York, and leader of the NYC chapter of Integrated Schools. A social worker by training, she is also the author of Race Cars, a children's book about White privilege. Her children attend a predominantly Black and Brown, Title I public school in their neighborhood. Send us a voice memo: speakpipe.com/integratedschools Check out our Bookshop.org storefront to support local bookstores, and send a portion of the proceeds back to us. Join our Patreon to support this work, and connect with us and other listeners to discuss these issues even further. Subscribe to our YouTube Channel for video versions of our episodes. Let us know what you think of this episode, suggest future topics, or share your story with us – IntegratedSchools on Facebook, @integratedschools on Instagram and TikTok, or email us podcast@integratedschools.org. The Integrated Schools Podcast was created by Courtney Mykytyn and Andrew Lefkowits.d This episode was produced by Andrew Lefkowits and Val Brown. It was edited, and mixed by Andrew Lefkowits. Music by Kevin Casey. Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy | |||
| Season 13 Kick Off: Dreaming of the Future | 30 Sep 2026 | 00:35:15 | |
We are back! Welcome to Season 13 of The Integrated Schools Podcast. It’s been almost eight years and over 170 episodes, but as we kick off this new season, we are reflecting on where we find ourselves—as a country, as an organization, and in our own lives. Val is navigating life with a college freshman (who earned a 100% on his first African American Studies test!) and a high school senior, while Andrew is stepping into the classroom for the first time as a high school audio engineering and musical theater teacher. These real-world transitions ground us in the ongoing, messy work of wrestling with parenting, privilege, and public education. In this kickoff episode, we take a hard look at the state of public education right now. With federal rollbacks on civil rights enforcement, decreasing oversight, and expanding voucher and privatization schemes, the national landscape feels tricky and daunting. Yet, even in this moment, we find local reasons for hope. Across the country—from Denver and Winston-Salem to Charlotte-Mecklenburg, Montgomery County, and beyond—school districts are undergoing boundary redraws and student assignment reviews that explicitly aim to reduce socioeconomic segregation. These local efforts remind us that when the ground is shifting, there is an opportunity to build toward real change if we show up and demand it. As we look ahead to Season 13, we are focused on tilling the soil for future systemic change and radicalizing our hope. Guided by Dr. Loretta Ross's reminder to "hold our link in the chain," we are preparing to dream together about what public education could look like on the other side of this moment. Throughout the season, we'll be bringing in a diverse range of voices—including Afrofuturists, Indigenous thinkers, youth, and caregivers of students with special needs—to imagine a truly just, multiracial education system beyond simply rebuilding what was. How are you holding your link in the chain during this political moment, and what does your dream for a truly integrated, multiracial public education system look like? LINKS
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| Reflections on Season 12 | 03 Jun 2026 | 00:31:41 | |
As we wrap up another school year, we're taking a moment to reflect on the conversations, challenges, and lessons that shaped Season 12. This year, we explored what it means to build belonging, strengthen community, advocate for public education, and stay connected through uncertainty. Along the way, we learned from educators, organizers, authors, students, parents, and community members who reminded us that while the challenges facing our schools are real, none of us are facing them alone. We also hear from listeners navigating school closures, parent organizing, and the everyday joys of integrated schools. Their stories remind us that community is built not only through big moments, but through the choices we make to show up for one another again and again. In This EpisodeBelonging mattersOne of the biggest themes we kept returning to this season was belonging. From conversations about disability justice to discussions about third spaces and community care, we explored what it looks like to create schools and communities where everyone feels seen, valued, and connected. The power of conversation and communityThis season reinforced something we deeply believe: meaningful change happens in relationship with one another. We reflected on lessons from guests like Dr. Loretta Ross, who reminded us that none of us are responsible for fixing everything alone. The work becomes sustainable when it's rooted in community. Public education under pressureThroughout the season, we examined some of the challenges facing public education today, including:
Again and again, our guests reminded us that today's struggles are connected to longer histories of organizing, resistance, and collective action. From the Lemon Grove desegregation case to reflections on Thurgood Marshall's legacy, we explored how history can help guide us through the present moment. Listener ReflectionsWe also heard from listeners who shared:
As we prepare for another season—and as our own families navigate major transitions—we're thinking about what comes next. What conversations are you having in your community? What challenges are showing up in your schools? What stories should we be telling together? Send us a voice memo: speakpipe.com/integratedschools Thank you for listening, learning, and staying in community with us throughout Season 12. We're grateful to all of our guests, our listeners, and everyone committed to creating public schools that serve all of our children. Check out our Bookshop.org storefront to support local bookstores, and send a portion of the proceeds back to us. Join our Patreon to support this work, and connect with us and other listeners to discuss these issues even further. Subscribe to our YouTube Channel for video versions of our episodes. Let us know what you think of this episode, suggest future topics, or share your story with us – IntegratedSchools on Facebook, @integratedschools on Instagram and TikTok, or email us podcast@integratedschools.org. The Integrated Schools Podcast was created by Courtney Mykytyn and Andrew Lefkowits.d This episode was produced by Andrew Lefkowits and Val Brown. It was edited, and mixed by Andrew Lefkowits. Music by Kevin Casey.
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| Carrying the Torch: The Legacy of Thurgood Marshall from His Granddaughter's Perspective | 17 May 2026 | 00:55:23 | |
On the 72nd anniversary of Brown v. Board of Education, Andrew and Dr. Val sit down with Cecilia Marshall — granddaughter of Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall and founder of the newly launched Thurgood Marshall Foundation. Together, they reflect on what it means to carry forward a legacy rooted not in individual heroism, but in collective courage, sacrifice, and community responsibility. Ms. Marshall shares intimate stories of knowing Thurgood Marshall simply as “Grandpa,” and how, only later in life, she came to understand the magnitude of his work and the sacrifices made by the families behind Brown v. Board. The conversation explores the importance of telling these histories honestly — especially to children — and why public schools remain one of our most important democratic institutions. From the bravery of the 200+ plaintiffs across the five Brown cases, to present-day debates around diversity, public education, and belonging, this episode asks what it means to build bridges in a deeply polarized moment — and what responsibilities we each carry in shaping a more just future for all children. In honor of the 72nd anniversary of Brown v. Board of Education, Integrated Schools is launching the 1954 Campaign.We are asking you to give:$19.54$195.40$1,954or any amount meaningful to youHalf of the proceeds will support the Thurgood Marshall Foundation and its work preserving and sharing this history with future generations.LINKS:
Send us a voice memo: speakpipe.com/integratedschools Check out our Bookshop.org storefront to support local bookstores, and send a portion of the proceeds back to us. Join our Patreon to support this work, and connect with us and other listeners to discuss these issues even further. Subscribe to our YouTube Channel for video versions of our episodes. Let us know what you think of this episode, suggest future topics, or share your story with us – IntegratedSchools on Facebook, @integratedschools on Instagram and TikTok, or email us podcast@integratedschools.org. The Integrated Schools Podcast was created by Courtney Mykytyn and Andrew Lefkowits.d This episode was produced by Andrew Lefkowits and Val Brown. It was edited, and mixed by Andrew Lefkowits. Music by Kevin Casey. The Brown v Board Plaintiffs The bundle of five cases commonly referred to as Brown v. Board actually contained more than 200 plaintiffs. Below are their names and their associated cases. Belton v. Gebhart (Bulah v. Gebhart) Delaware State Court, Wilmington, Delaware Ethel Belton Sarah Bulah Joseph Crumpler John W. Davis Emma Fountain Barbara Byrd Henry Charles Hill Lois May Johnson Mary Johnson Willie Robinson John Short Harlan Trotter Bolling v. Sharpe U.S. District Court, Washington, D.C. Mrs. Sarah Bolling Spottswood Thomas Bolling Wanamaker Von Bolling William Briscoe Sarah Louise Briscoe James C. Jennings Adrienne Jennings Barbara Jennings Consolidated Parent Group, Inc. Briggs et al v. Elliott et al. U.S. District Court, Eastern Division, Charleston, South Carolina James Bennett Onetha Bennett Harry Briggs Robert Georgia Annie Gibson Gilbert H. Henry Susan Lawson Frederick Oliver Mary Oliver Mose Oliver Bennie Parson Edward Ragin Hazel Ragin William Ragin Lee Richardson Lucrisher Richardson Rebecca Richburg Henry Scott William Stukes Gabriel Tindal Davis v. County School Board of Prince Edward County U.S. District Court, Richmond, Virginia Hal Edward Allen (father) Hal Verner Allen (son) Margaret G. Allen (grandmother) James Henry C. Allen (grandson) Margaret G. Allen (mother) Herman Alexander Allen (son) Florence Gertrude Allen (daughter) Thomas H. Allen (father) Herman Wesley Allen (son) Thelma Leola Allen (daughter) Ellen Banks (guardian) John Banks, Jr. (guardee) Frankie Louise Berkeley Eddie Bigger (father) Virginia Bigger (daughter) Katie H. Bigger Leonard R. Bland (father) Floyd M. Bland (son) Reginald W. Bland (son) Clara S. Booker (mother) Blanche A. Booker (daughter) Ronald O.F. Booker (son) Joseph E. Booker (father) Loretta Booker (daughter) Carrie Brown James Brown (father) Phillip J. Brown (son) Nelson Carey (father) Mary Lizzie Carey (daughter) Anna Bell Carey (daughter) John Davis Rosa Bell Davis Isaiah Dennis (father) Adline Dennis (daughter) Charlie Dupuy (father) Pauline Dupuy (daughter) Susie Earley (mother) Bertha E. Earley (daughter) Helen Virginia Epps (mother) Alma D. Epps (daughter) Helen M. Epps (daughter) Agnes Farrar (guardian) Walker Camp Farrar (guardee) Alice Fowlkes (guardian) Alexander Fowlkes (guardee) Leroy McCormick (guardee) Amanda Goode Frances Goode (mother) Willie L. Goode (son) Katherine Goode (daughter) Dolly M. Goode (daughter) Harry S. Hall Thomas Hall (guardian) Mary E. Couch (guardee) Elsie Hargwood (mother) Junita Hargwood (daughter) Virginia Harris (mother) Ethel D. Harris (daughter) C.W. Hicks (father) Deloris Hicks (daughter) Marjorie Hicks (daughter) Inez O. Hicks Sarah Elizabeth Hicks (mother) Leigh Edward Hicks (son) Mosley Jefferson (father) Dorothy Alice Jefferson (daughter) Carrie Irene Jefferson (daughter) Robert Johns (father) Barbara Rose Johns (daughter) Joan Marie Johns (daughter) Kate Johnson (mother) Burnell Johnson, Jr. (son) Jasper W. Jones (father) Peter Jasper Jones (son) John Paul Jones (son) Nannie Lee (mother) George Lee (son) Sopophonie Miller (mother) Mattie Jean Miller (daughter) Herman Monroe (father) John Monroe (son) Harry Monroe (son) Richard Monroe (son) Emma H. Morton Mary Moton Viola W. Neal (mother) Catherine Neal (daughter) Lee Emmett Neal (son) Alma Randle (mother) Rosetta E. Randle (daughter) Ethel L. Randle (daughter) Martin R. Randle (son) Silas Redd (father) Gladys E. Redd (daughter) Charlie Redd (son) Nellie J. Richardson (mother) Jeanel E. Richardson (daughter) Anita Louise Richardson (daughter) Pinkie Rowlette (guardian) Reginald Rowlette (guardee) Alice Goins (guardee) Rowland D. Saunders (father) Vernethia C. Saunders (daughter) Henry Scott (father) Henry Scott, Jr. (son) Otis Scott (father) John Henry Scott (son) Walter Wallace Scott (son) Thomas H. Scott P.H. Shepperson (father) Lester Shepperson (son) Florine Shepperson (daughter) Willie Lee Shepperson (son) Louise Sims (mother) Helen L. Sims (daughter) Rebecca A. Sims (daughter) Sallie Spencer (mother) Mary L. Spencer (daughter) James Spencer (son) Alice M. Stokes (mother) John Arthur Stokes (son) Carrie Stokes (daughter) Jannie Streat (mother) Mary E. Streat (daughter) Pattie Taylor (mother) Dorothy L. Taylor (daughter) W. Howard Thompson (father) Frances Thompson (daughter) Rachel J. Thomson (daughter) John Townsend (father) Mildred Junita Townsend (daughter) Arlene Shirley Townsend (daughter) Mary Trent (mother) Barbara Reese Trent (daughter) Rose Marie Trent (daughter) Mattie Vaughan (mother) Calvin A. Vaughan (son) Maude E. Walker (mother) John Junius Walker (son) Maude Estelle Walker (daughter) Theophilus Walker (father) Edward Leon Walker (son) Mabel Gertrude Walker (daughter) John L. Watkins (father) Stella Watkins (daughter) John Watson, Sr. (father) John Watson, Jr. (son) Eva Werkler (mother) Rosa M. Werkler (daughter) Myrtle V. West (mother) Metteaner S. West (son) W.C. West (father) Barbara Jean West (daughter) Olivia Wiley (mother) Ettal L. Wiley (daughter) Frank Williams (father) Bessie Williams (daughter) Mildred Williams (daughter) Louise Willis Amelia Womack (mother) Clarence W. Womack (son) Aubrey D. Womack (son) Bert S. Womack (father) Elizabeth Womack (daughter) Leslie Woolridge Oliver L. Brown et al v. Board of Education of Topeka, Shawnee County, Kansas U.S. District Court, Topeka, Kansas Oliver Leon Brown Darlene Brown Lena M. Carper Sadie Emmanuel Marguerite Emmerson* Shirla Fleming Mrs. Andrew (Zelma) Henderson Shirley Hodison Mrs. Richard (Maude) Lawton Alma Lewis Iona Richardson Vivian Scales Lucinda Todd *Marguerite Emerson's name was misspelled on the original court documents Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy | |||
| REVISIT: Calling In with Loretta Ross | 06 May 2026 | 01:11:40 | |
We're revisiting our conversation with Dr. Loretta Ross because her book, Calling In: How to Start Making Change with Those You’d Rather Cancel, is the Integrated Schools book club pick for this month. You can register for one of our amazing, free book club sessions here. We’re joined by MacArthur “Genius” and legendary activist Dr. Loretta Ross for a conversation that left us grounded, challenged, and deeply moved. From her early work in reproductive justice and anti-violence movements, to her current mission disrupting “call-out culture,” Dr. Ross offers us a path forward rooted in grace, accountability, and radical love. We explore what it means to “call in” rather than call out—especially in an era where public shaming feels ever-present and social media rewards outrage. Dr. Ross shares her personal story of trauma, healing, and transformation, and helps us understand how real change happens not through perfection or purity, but through connection and curiosity. Together we unpack the power of holding ourselves and others accountable without dehumanizing. We talk parenting, public schools, and what it means to stay in the struggle without breaking our link in the “chain of freedom.” Whether you’re navigating tricky conversations in your school community or trying to show up better in the fight for justice, this episode is for you. LINKS:
Send us a voice memo: speakpipe.com/integratedschools Check out our Bookshop.org storefront to support local bookstores, and send a portion of the proceeds back to us. Join our Patreon to support this work, and connect with us and other listeners to discuss these issues even further. Subscribe to our YouTube Channel for video versions of our episodes. Let us know what you think of this episode, suggest future topics, or share your story with us – IntegratedSchools on Facebook, @integratedschools on Instagram and TikTok, or email us podcast@integratedschools.org. The Integrated Schools Podcast was created by Courtney Mykytyn and Andrew Lefkowits.d This episode was produced by Andrew Lefkowits and Val Brown. It was edited, and mixed by Andrew Lefkowits. Music by Kevin Casey. Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy | |||
| REVISIT: Finding Hope in Solidarity with Heather McGhee | 22 Apr 2026 | 01:00:54 | |
We’re going back to the archives today to revisit a conversation with Heather McGhee. In February of 2021, Heather McGhee’s book, The Sum of Us came out. With a focus on the ways in which racism harms everyone, and the potential good that can come from cross-racial coalitions, the book was exciting to us. When we realized that Integrated Schools was featured prominently in the chapter about education, we were blown away. The book is based around three main concepts. The first is the “zero-sum lie of racial hierarchy”, or the idea that progress for people of color necessarily has to come at White folks’ expense. The second is the idea of the “drained pool,” the disinvestment by White people in public goods simply because they have to share them with people of color. And finally, the “solidarity dividend,” the idea of gains that we can unlock, but only when we come together across lines of difference. This last idea, the most hopeful, inspired Ms. McGhee to go back on the road and make a podcast documenting examples of the Solidarity Dividend in action. She joins us to discuss the podcast, what it means to be a good ally, the power of relationships in sustaining movements, and what role the Integrated Schools community should play in participating in the current, cross-racial movement for public education. LINKS
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| Seeds of Resistance: The Lemon Grove Legacy | 08 Apr 2026 | 00:50:07 | |
We're joined by YA author, María Dolores Águila to uncover the largely untold story of the 1931 Lemon Grove Incident—the first successful school desegregation case in California, led by Mexican and Mexican American families. Through her book A Sea of Lemon Trees, Maria invites us into the world of 12-year-old Roberto Alvarez, a child asked to carry the weight of his community’s fight for educational justice. Together, we explore what it looks like when communities organize, when young people lead, and when stories become a form of power. We can’t be what we don’t see. Maria shares how her work is rooted in creating “social capital” for young readers—especially those who have not seen themselves reflected in books or history. When our kids see communities like theirs organizing and winning, it expands what feels possible. The Lemon Grove case unfolded during a time of anti-Mexican sentiment and mass deportations. The parallels to today are hard to ignore. What we don’t know about our history can make the present feel confusing—but these stories remind us: we’ve been here before. While Roberto Alvarez was the named plaintiff, this was never a story about one hero. It was about a community—families organizing, neighbors supporting, people taking risks together. Every role mattered. Resistance is real—and it costs something. This wasn’t a clean or easy victory. Families faced threats, pressure, and even deportation. Telling the full story—including the hard parts—matters, especially for our kids. Through a 12-year-old’s perspective, the absurdity of segregation becomes clear. Kids often see injustice plainly—before we, as adults, complicate it. We keep coming back to this: All of our kids are watching. They’re watching how we talk about history. They’re watching how we respond to injustice. They’re watching whether we stay—or walk away. What might shift if we saw ourselves not as individuals navigating systems, but as part of a community shaping them—together?
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| Spatial Injustice: School Closures as a Form of Educational Redlining | 25 Mar 2026 | 01:01:03 | |
What happens when we stop thinking about schools as buildings—and start seeing them as the ecosystems that hold our communities together? In this episode, we sit with Dr. Mara Tieken to explore school closures not as isolated decisions, but as part of a broader pattern of spatial injustice—where resources, opportunities, and care are unevenly distributed based on where we live. Together, we wrestle with a hard truth: school closures are often framed as inevitable… but what if they’re actually the result of choices—policies, priorities, and patterns of disinvestment—that we can question? We grapple with several key ideas:
This conversation also reminds us that we are not powerless. Across the country, communities are:
We are left wondering, what would it look like to treat every school as our school? Not just when it’s under threat—but all the time. Because if public schools are foundational to our democracy, then caring for them can’t be an individual act. It has to be collective. LINKS:
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| Legacy and Community: Bridging Generations through History | 11 Mar 2026 | 00:50:52 | |
In this episode, Andrew and Dr. Val are joined by Logan Tilton, a history student at North Carolina Central University and one of the Levine Museum of the New South’s fellowship students. Together, they reflect on what it means to learn history not as a list of dates and names, but as a living story shaped by community, struggle, resilience, and collective memory. Drawing from a powerful fellowship trip to Montgomery and Selma, Logan shares how visiting the Equal Justice Initiative sites and hearing directly from a Selma foot soldier deepened her understanding of history, accountability, and the ongoing connections between past and present. This conversation explores the emotional weight of historical truth, the importance of learning from young people, and the role community plays in sustaining hope. This episode reminds us that history is not over. The patterns of inequality, exclusion, and violence that shaped the past are still with us. But so are the patterns of resistance, courage, care, and collective action. Logan’s reflections offer a powerful reminder that when young people are trusted with truth, they can carry it forward with clarity, insight, and hope. LINKS
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| Caring for Your Community in a Time of Crisis: On the Ground in Minneapolis | 25 Feb 2026 | 01:07:12 | |
When crisis comes for one of us, it comes for all of us. In this powerful and deeply moving episode, Dr. Val and Andrew sit down with two parent leaders in Minneapolis—Carina (a White mom and longtime bridge-builder in dual language spaces) and Cisne (a Spanish-speaking immigrant mom and vice president of their dual language parent organization)—to talk about what it means to care for our community when ICE arrives at your doorstep. What unfolds is a story about more than fear. It’s a story about relationships built long before crisis hit. About language justice. About sharing power. About mutual aid that moves in both directions. About what happens when Latino leadership is centered—not as an afterthought, but as the foundation. We also hear from the professional interpreter who made this conversation possible in real time—offering a powerful reflection on interpretation as social justice work. This conversation is heavy. And it is also filled with hope. Because what we’re reminded of again and again is this: systems may fail us. Relationships keep us safe. This episode reminds us that integration work is not theoretical. It is not performative. It is not about optics.
It asks those of us—especially those of us who are White, documented, resourced—to reflect on how we are using proximity to power. Are we holding it tightly? Or are we sharing it? It reminds us that bilingual education is not enrichment for some and marginalization for others—it is an opportunity to build bridges, leadership, and collective strength. And it underscores something we’ve said for years: public schools are one of the few remaining places where we canbuild the kind of cross-racial, cross-class relationships that sustain us in crisis. If we choose to. The children missing from classrooms in Minneapolis are our children. The parents afraid to leave their homes are part of our communities. The mental health impacts will ripple far beyond one city. Integration is not just about where our children sit in class. It is about whether we are willing to stand together when it matters most. Thank you for being part of this work. Thank you for staying in it—even when it’s heavy.
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| Staying Power with Danielle Wingfield | 11 Feb 2026 | 00:51:42 | |
What does it mean to outlast backlash? In this episode, we’re joined by Dr. Danielle Wingfield—legal historian, law professor, and public education advocate—whose work sits at the intersection of history, civil rights, democracy, and family. Together, we trace the long arc of resistance to public education, from enslavement and segregation to today’s fights over curriculum, parental rights, and school privatization. Dr. Wingfield helps us see that what feels overwhelming right now isn’t new—it’s cyclical. And that clarity matters. When we understand the playbook, we can respond with intention instead of panic. We talk about:
This conversation is both grounding and galvanizing. It reminds us that we don’t have to solve everything—but we dohave to hold our link in the chain. Because when we know our history, we’re harder to divide. And when we stay together long enough, we change what’s possible. LINKS:
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| Demystifying Disability with Emily Ladau | 28 Jan 2026 | 00:56:35 | |
Join the conversation by registering for one of our upcoming Book Club sessions! The Integrated Schools Podcast returns with a great conversation with Emily Ladau, disability rights activist and author of Demystifying Disability: What to Know, What to Say, and How to be an Ally. Ladau describes herself as "passionate about having conversations about disability and really engaging people to talk about a topic that they might otherwise feel uncomfortable with and really making it approachable and accessible to them." In the spirit of Dr. Loretta Ross, she models what it means to call people in: to meet other people where they are and offer them a bridge to understanding the lived reality - or rather, realities - of the over a billion people around the world who have some type of disability. Ladau takes an approach that is at once gracious and practical. "In order to be effective advocates for any kind of social justice, we first need the tools and the resources and the understanding, but often we are not socialized to think about disability at all... I don't want people to feel so worried about making a mistake that they don't get involved in the conversation in the first place; [nor] to get bogged down in specific rules, but… to have a working knowledge so that you feel like you belong in the broader work.” This conversation brings up the parallels between combating White supremacy and combating ableism, and the interplay between the two. Ladau points out that we can't fight back against either racism or ableism by keeping these issues siloed -especially because disability is an identity that cuts across all other identity groups. "It's also pretty much one of the only marginalized communities that anybody can join at any time. And I always say, you know, that's not a threat. We're cool, we're fun." LINKS:
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| 2025 In Review | 17 Dec 2025 | 00:38:54 | |
As we come to the end of 2025, we wanted to pause together—to reflect on a year that has been emotionally heavy, nationally turbulent, and deeply personal. This year, our families have been in the midst of big transitions. We talk about what it’s been like to launch a child toward adulthood, to navigate new middle and high schools, and to sit with the uncertainty that comes with parenting when the stakes feel so high. We reflect on the school choices we’ve made—often outside the bounds of prestige or promise—and what it feels like, years later, to see our kids growing, learning, struggling, and coming out whole. We also hold the broader context of 2025. We name the ways the world feels like it’s unraveling: ICE raids disrupting communities and schools, cuts to public institutions, and the cumulative weight our young people are carrying after growing up through a pandemic and so much instability. This conversation doesn’t rush past the grief. We sit with it—and remind ourselves that survival, community, and care are not small things. They are strategies. Looking back on this season, we revisit conversations that shaped us—from Byron Sanders on identity and purpose, to Raising Antiracist Kids on honest conversations with our children, to Keri Rodrigues and Loretta Ross on calling people in and refusing to let our link in the chain break. Again and again, we return to the truth that none of us can do this work alone. The episode closes with reflections from our first-ever in-person Integrated Schools gathering in Columbus, Ohio. Bringing together people from across the country to hold space, share meals, sing, grieve, laugh, and recommit to this work reminded us of what is possible when we are physically together. Through voice memos from participants, we hear what it means to feel less alone—and more grounded—at a moment when the pendulum feels far away from justice. Ten years into the life of Integrated Schools, this episode is both a reckoning and a reminder: We are still here. And we’re not going anywhere. Send us a voice memo: speakpipe.com/integratedschools Check out our Bookshop.org storefront to support local bookstores, and send a portion of the proceeds back to us. Join our Patreon to support this work, and connect with us and other listeners to discuss these issues even further. Subscribe to our YouTube Channel for video versions of our episodes. Let us know what you think of this episode, suggest future topics, or share your story with us – IntegratedSchools on Facebook, @integratedschools on Instagram and TikTok, or email us podcast@integratedschools.org. The Integrated Schools Podcast was created by Courtney Mykytyn and Andrew Lefkowits. This episode was produced by Andrew Lefkowits and Val Brown. It was edited, and mixed by Andrew Lefkowits. Music by Kevin Casey. Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy | |||
| Calling In with Loretta Ross | 03 Dec 2025 | 01:02:54 | |
We’re joined by MacArthur “Genius” and legendary activist Dr. Loretta Ross for a conversation that left us grounded, challenged, and deeply moved. From her early work in reproductive justice and anti-violence movements, to her current mission disrupting “call-out culture,” Dr. Ross offers us a path forward rooted in grace, accountability, and radical love. We explore what it means to “call in” rather than call out—especially in an era where public shaming feels ever-present and social media rewards outrage. Dr. Ross shares her personal story of trauma, healing, and transformation, and helps us understand how real change happens not through perfection or purity, but through connection and curiosity. Together we unpack the power of holding ourselves and others accountable without dehumanizing. We talk parenting, public schools, and what it means to stay in the struggle without breaking our link in the “chain of freedom.” Whether you’re navigating tricky conversations in your school community or trying to show up better in the fight for justice, this episode is for you. LINKS:
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| A Big Tent: Parent Voice for Public Educatiion | 19 Nov 2025 | 00:55:46 | |
In this episode, we’re stretching the boundaries of our “big tent”—the messy, hopeful space where we try to build a public education system worthy of all our kids. We sat down with Ms. Keri Rodrigues, President and co-founder of the National Parents Union, for a conversation recorded inside the U.S. Senate building (a first for us!). Ms. Rodrigues brings her whole self into this work: mother, organizer, daughter of immigrants, former student who didn’t always get what she needed from school, and fierce believer in the power of parents showing up together. While the methods of school improvement NPU has advocated for the in the past may not have felt fully aligned with our values, we share a commitment to the common good of public education—and in a moment when that institution feels increasingly under attack, widening the circle of who we can struggle with feels essential. In This Episode We Explore:
If we truly believe that public schools are foundational to a functioning democracy, then we need a tent big enough to hold disagreement, nuance, and shared purpose. Not a tent where we water down our values or ignore harm, but one spacious enough for collective problem-solving. As Ms. Rodrigues reminds us, movements built on love endure longer than movements built on fear. And right now, our kids need us rooted in love. Join the ConversationWhere do you see yourself in this big tent? What are your expectations for parent voice? How do you advocate as a parent or caregiver? How do you build (or rebuild) trust with your child’s school? Send us a voice memo: speakpipe.com/integratedschools Check out our Bookshop.org storefront to support local bookstores, and send a portion of the proceeds back to us. Join our Patreon to support this work, and connect with us and other listeners to discuss these issues even further. Subscribe to our YouTube Channel for video versions of our episodes. Let us know what you think of this episode, suggest future topics, or share your story with us – IntegratedSchools on Facebook, @integratedschools on Instagram and TikTok, or email us podcast@integratedschools.org. The Integrated Schools Podcast was created by Courtney Mykytyn and Andrew Lefkowits. This episode was produced by Andrew Lefkowits and Val Brown. It was edited, and mixed by Andrew Lefkowits. Music by Kevin Casey. Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy | |||
| Using Stories to Inspire Change | 05 Nov 2025 | 00:59:12 | |
What happens when over 600 educators, students, organizers, and advocates gather in community to center racial equity and storytelling? We found out at this year’s Color of Education Summit in Raleigh, North Carolina. In this episode, Andrew takes us inside the summit—hosted by the Dudley Flood Center for Educational Equity and Opportunity—to hear voices from across the state and country. From keynote speeches to hallway conversations, we witness the power of stories to connect, inspire, and catalyze change. We hear from Dr. Deanna Townsend-Smith, who set the tone with vulnerability, legacy, and a call to collective action. And we meet educators, community leaders, organizers, and students whose stories underscore that equity work is personal, communal, and ongoing. Dr. Val and Andrew reflect on what it really means to talk about equity—and how we move beyond “access” to ensure all children can truly thrive. If you’re wondering what role stories play in building a better future, or where to find hope in hard times, this one’s for you. 🎧 Listen in, and then tell us: What story are you carrying? LINKS
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| Raising Antiracist Kids | 22 Oct 2025 | 00:47:23 | |
We’re sharing a special crossover: Dr. Val and Andrew join Tabitha St. Bernard-Jacobs and Adam Jacobs, co-hosts of the Raising Antiracist Kids podcast, to talk about parents as partners in building antiracist school communities. We dig into why relationships—especially across lines of race and class—are core to any multiracial democracy, what it looks like for White families to show up without centering themselves, and how we nurture brave, durable school communities together. Along the way, we sit with discomfort, model grace, and keep our eyes on the long game—this is a marathon relay, and we each carry the baton for a bit. LINKS:
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| Identity and Purpose with Byron Sanders | 08 Oct 2025 | 01:04:16 | |
What does it mean to truly know who you are—and how might that knowing shape what you give back to the world? In this episode, we’re joined by Byron Sanders—educator, CEO, community leader, and newly elected Dallas ISD school board member—for a vulnerable, expansive conversation about identity, purpose, and the responsibility that comes with our gifts. Byron shares a deeply personal story of finding his way from trauma to mission, from being driven by what he didn’t want to become to discovering a life of service rooted in community. Alongside reflections on masculinity, Whiteness, and the narratives we inherit (and resist), Byron challenges us to consider the roles we each play in building a more just and joyful future—both in and beyond schools. We talk about the power of imagination as a source of hope, the need for purpose-driven education, and the importance of community-based “third spaces” where young people can build the skills and self-understanding they’ll need to navigate an uncertain future. And we explore the dangers of narrow identity constructs—especially for boys and men—and the urgent need for models that reflect a fuller humanity. This conversation is a reminder that our stories matter, that restorative possibility lives in community, and that every gift is also an assignment. LINKS:
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| Season 12 Kick Off: What Now? | 24 Sep 2025 | 00:31:58 | |
As we launch Season 12 of the podcast, Dr. Val and Andrew reflect on the start of the school year. With big personal transitions, and the country in a state of deep uncertainty, we ask, what now? How can we acknowledge the current state of eduction and find ways to act for justice. LINKS:
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| Eve Ewing Revisited | 13 Aug 2025 | 01:08:27 | |
Original Sins: The (Mis)education of Black and Native Children and the Construction of American Racism is the Integrated Schools Book Club pick for the fall. So we thought we'd revisit our episode with Dr. Ewing. If you've never attended Book Club, it's a wonderful to chance to chat with folks from around the country who are interested in school integration. We have small groups and great facilitators who make sure the conversation flows. Book Club is free! Register now! --------------------------------- Public education is touted as the bedrock of democracy, a leveler of playing fields, and our best tool to create active, engaged citizens. And while that vision is powerful, Dr. Eve L. Ewing argues that it was never intended to be those things for Black or Native students. In fact, her new book, Original Sins: The (MIs)education of Black and Native Children and the Construction of American Racism, maintains that schooling in America was created to prepare White kids for leadership, Black kids for subjugation, and Native kids for erasure. She joins us to discuss these three separate strands of education and the tools of discipline and punishment, implied intellectual inferiority, and preparation for economic subjugation used to support them. She leaves us with love, justice and a focus on flourishing as possible antidotes to help us imagine something better. LINKS:
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| Big, Beautiful Monstrosity - and a Call to Action | 06 Jul 2025 | 00:07:45 | |
The president just signed a truly monstrous piece of legislation into law. Much has been written about the impacts on health, climate and the debt, but there is a lesser known evil lurking in this bill - a national school voucher plan. It's temping to lose hope, but there is something each of us can do. LINKS:Visit our Bookshop.org storefront to support local bookstores, and send a portion of the proceeds back to us. Join our Patreon to support this work, and connect with us and other listeners to discuss these issues even further. Let us know what you think of this episode, suggest future topics, or share your story with us – IntegratedSchools on Facebook, or email us podcast@integratedschools.org. The Integrated Schools Podcast was created by Courtney Mykytyn and Andrew Lefkowits. This episode was produced by Andrew Lefkowits and Val Brown. It was edited, and mixed by Andrew Lefkowits. Music by Kevin Casey. Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy | |||
| Reflections on Season 11 | 11 Jun 2025 | 00:30:17 | |
As Season 11 comes to a close, we wanted to spend some time reflecting on the lessons we've learned from this season and what we hope for in Season 12. We'll be off for the summer with a few possible bonus episodes, and back for real in the fall. In the mean time, we want to express our deepest appreciation for a number of people who make this podcast run. Firstly, to all of our guests, thank you for joining us, for sharing your stories and your wisdom with us. Being in conversation with each of you is a true gift that we do not take likely. To the podcast team - Darci, Jennifer, Jenna, Anna, Susan, Courtney - thank you for your work on transcripts and promotional material, but more importantly for your thought partnership on each episode and the entire season. The conversations you share, the insights you bring are what keeps the podcast relevant and topical and helps us dive into nuanced topics knowing you're listening and thinking about these things along side of us. To our Patreon supporters and Integrated Schools donors, your belief in this work and your willingness to support it with your financial resources isn't something we take for granted. Your belief in us keeps us invested in the work and motivates us to always make the best episodes we can. And finally, to all of you, our listeners, it is truly and honor to be in this with each and every one of you as we try to know better and do better. Until next season! ________________ Finding a school where your children can thrive, while avoiding contributing to the ongoing segregation we see today, can feel like a tough issue for socially conscious parents. Check out our FREE guide on how you can start engaging with the education system to achieve just that: Click here to download the guide now! ________________ Visit our Bookshop.org storefront to support local bookstores, and send a portion of the proceeds back to us. Join our Patreon to support this work, and connect with us and other listeners to discuss these issues even further. Let us know what you think of this episode, suggest future topics, or share your story with us – IntegratedSchools on Facebook, or email us podcast@integratedschools.org. The Integrated Schools Podcast was created by Courtney Mykytyn and Andrew Lefkowits. This episode was produced by Andrew Lefkowits and Val Brown. It was edited, and mixed by Andrew Lefkowits. Music by Kevin Casey. Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy | |||
| The Intersection of Private Decisions and Public Responsibility | 28 May 2025 | 00:54:30 | |
“Having my children in public school was something that I wanted to do with people in my community. It was a commitment that we were making together. And then when I saw folks leaving, it felt like a betrayal.” – Stephanie Forman. Where we send our kids to school is, for many, a complicated decision. We struggle to weigh multiple factors- curriculum and teachers, diversity of the student body, the commute and hours, not to mention what role we want to play in supporting the institutions where our kids spend 8 hours a day. Drs. Stephanie Forman and Lisa Sibbett are educational researchers in the Pacific Northwest and both decided to send their kids to public schools after weighing many factors. However, they saw many of their colleagues, who were also working to support education, and also expressed a belief in the importance of public schools, opting out, and instead sending their kids to private schools. Rather than write these people off, they decided to use their educational research skills to better understand the choice these families were making, what the impact was for them, and their families, and what tools might be best suited to reconnect those families to public schools, whether by bringing their kids back, or, at a minimum, advocating on behalf of public education. They join us to share what they learned, and help us keep an open mind as we think about the choices people make for schooling. ________________ Finding a school where your children can thrive, while avoiding contributing to the ongoing segregation we see today, can feel like a tough issue for socially conscious parents. Check out our FREE guide on how you can start engaging with the education system to achieve just that: Click here to download the guide now! ________________ LINKS:
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| Advocating for Black Educator Wellness with Asia Lyons | 14 May 2025 | 00:49:11 | |
“I hope that you know that I believe you, the community of listeners believes you, and that's good enough.” Dr. Asia Lyons
Dr. Asia Lyons is the host of 'The Exit Interview: A Podcast for Black Educators' where she practices archival justice by sharing the stories of Black educators who have left the classroom. Her own journey to education and then out of the classroom led her work both on the podcast, and in creating intentional spaces of healing for Black educators. Dr. Lyons's work focuses on the less sexy, but often more important work of retaining Black educators. Recruitment is a crucial starting point, but if we can't create spaces of wellness for Black educators, retention will always be a challenge. Dr. Lyons encourages all of us to speak up on behalf of Black educators, to create spaces of healing, and to advocate for justice at least as loudly as the voices who aren't. ________________ Finding a school where your children can thrive, while avoiding contributing to the ongoing segregation we see today, can feel like a tough issue for socially conscious parents. Check out our FREE guide on how you can start engaging with the education system to achieve just that: Click here to download the guide now! ________________ LINKS:
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| Unearthing Joy: Gholdy Muhammad on Teaching with Love | 30 Apr 2025 | 00:54:36 | |
"If we're not centering children’s humanity through love, there's no strategy, no professional book or instructional method in the world that can prepare the teacher to elevate the child." - Dr. Gholdy Muhammad Identity, skills, intellectualism, criticality, and joy. These are the five pursuits that Dr. Gholdy Muhammad argues are key to education. Our educational system focuses most of its attention on skills while often overlooking the other pursuits to the detriment of all kids. All people need to know who they are and whose they are, need to put the knowledge they gain into action, need to learn to distinguish between truth and lies, and to critically examine the stories we are told, and everyone needs joy. An education system, not to mention a society, that focuses on all five pursuits has the possibility of bringing out the genius in all of us. Underlying all of these pursuits is love. Dr. Muhammad joins us to discuss what teaching, parenting, and being part of community can look like with a focus on these pursuits. ________________ Finding a school where your children can thrive, while avoiding contributing to the ongoing segregation we see today, can feel like a tough issue for socially conscious parents. Check out our FREE guide on how you can start engaging with the education system to achieve just that: Click here to download the guide now! ________________ LINKS:
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| What Was Lost: Noliwe Rooks on The Failures of Integration | 16 Apr 2025 | 00:59:08 | |
“At its inception, in the courts, and as a project, integration was deeply contested and Black people were deeply divided about it. ” – Dr. Noliwe Rooks The common narrative about integration often frames it as a clear victory—a moment when American education finally confronted injustice. But Dr. Noliwe Rooks argues the reality is far more complicated. In her new book, Integrated: How American Schools Failed Black Children, she traces the history of Black education, showing how the pursuit of desegregation sometimes led to profound losses for Black communities. In this conversation, Dr. Rooks discusses the overlooked sacrifices Black communities made as schools integrated, from the closure of vibrant Black-led schools to the erasure of Black educators' roles and perspectives. Through the story of 4 generations of her own family, she reveals how integration initiatives frequently dismissed Black voices and visions for education, leaving systemic inequities intact. This episode challenges us to rethink what integration truly means, and what’s required if education is to fulfill its promise of justice and liberation for all students. ________________ Finding a school where your children can thrive, while avoiding contributing to the ongoing segregation we see today, can feel like a tough issue for socially conscious parents. Check out our FREE guide on how you can start engaging with the education system to achieve just that: Click here to download the guide now! ________________ LINKS:
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| Finding Hope, Together | 02 Apr 2025 | 00:38:36 | |
Last month, integration advocates from around the country gathered for the National Coalition on School Diversity's National Conference to discuss where we find ourselves in this difficult moment. From policy makers to researchers, school leaders to equity advocates, the conference featured many of the brightest minds focusing on how we build up and support an education system that serves all children well. Despite the challenges to education, especially public education, not to mention multiracial public education, attending the conference was inspiring and sustaining. To see several hundred people gather in the face of pushback to reaffirm our commitment to the project of integration provided much needed hope in troubling times. Today we share some conversations with folks from the conference who are committed to a better world and finding hope where they can.
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| Schools and Race: Eve Ewing on the Construction of American Racism | 19 Mar 2025 | 01:04:27 | |
Public education is touted as the bedrock of democracy, a leveler of playing fields, and our best tool to create active, engaged citizens. And while that vision is powerful, Dr. Eve L. Ewing argues that it was never intended to be those things for Black or Native students. In fact, her new book, Original Sins: The (MIs)education of Black and Native Children and the Construction of American Racism, maintains that schooling in America was created to prepare White kids for leadership, Black kids for subjugation, and Native kids for erasure. She joins us to discuss these three separate strands of education and the tools of discipline and punishment, implied intellectual inferiority, and preparation for economic subjugation used to support them. She leaves us with love, justice and a focus on flourishing as possible antidotes to help us imagine something better. LINKS:
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| Lies and Moral Deficiencies: Greg Jarrell on Whiteness | 05 Mar 2025 | 00:57:53 | |
"To be White is, is to be raised on lies. Lies that are passed down, generationally that a lot of White folks don't always know that they're passing down." - Greg Jarrell Our guest today, Greg Jarrell is an ordained minister, a cultural organizer and the author of Our Trespasses: White Churches and the Taking of American Neighborhoods. Through many years of building community while engaging in anti-racist learning, he has come to realize that he also has a stake in ending White supremacy, advancing racial justice, and building loving, multi-racial communities. He joins us to discuss the ongoing moral and intellectual deficiencies that come from Whiteness, the importance of intentional anti-racist education, and the need for material and cultural reparations. Jarrell emphasizes the necessity of developing multiracial coalitions and using one's advantages to dismantle systemic inequities, in order to face historical scars and work towards a more just society. LINKS:
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| Micro Activism: Making a Difference One Step at a Time | 19 Feb 2025 | 00:47:02 | |
Omkari Williams believes deeply in the power of people to change their environments - that through the power of the human spirit, and small, concrete actions, anything is possible, and that true changes requires all types of people. Her recent book, Micro Activism: How You Can Make a Difference in the World Without A Bullhorn, is a testament to this idea. In it, she lays out four activist archetypes - The Headliner, The Producer, The Organizer, and The Indispensable. All movements need all four types of activists, and everyone can find themselves in one or more of the archetypes. This view opens the door to anyone to participate, and the book gives concrete steps to take to figure out how to get involved in a way that leans in to each person's individual strengths. In a dark time, where hope can be hard to find, Ms. Williams brings a grounded sense of hope and possibility, along with actionable steps to changing our environments for the better. ________________ Finding a school where your children can thrive, while avoiding contributing to the ongoing segregation we see today, can feel like a tough issue for socially conscious parents. Check out our FREE guide on how you can start engaging with the education system to achieve just that: Click here to download the guide now! ________________ LINKS:
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| The Containment: Michelle Adams on Northern Jim Crow | 05 Feb 2025 | 00:57:25 | |
The 1954 Supreme Court decision, Brown v Board of Education of Topeka, Kansas declared that separate is inherently unequal. The Supreme Court declared that it was in the national interest for kids to learn together. And while progress towards that goal was slow, and often met with resistance, there was an opportunity in the decision to try to heal our nation from the extraordinary wounds caused by slavery, Jim Crow, and persistent separate and unequal opportunities for Black people. In many ways, 1974's Milliken v Bradley decision put an end to that potential. A tragic Supreme Court decision, that led Thurgood Marshall to write a powerful dissent, in which he says, "unless our children learn together, there is little hope that our nation will learn to live together and understand each other." Professor Michelle Adams has been studying the Milliken decision for many years, and just released a book about the case, called The Containment: Detroit, The Supreme Court, and the Battle for Racial Justice in the North. It's an easily digestible, incredibly compelling story about the power of ordinary people in Detroit who came together to fight for equal opportunity for all kids, and who came up against a court that codified White flight as tool to avoid integration into law. We are still dealing with the ripples of that decision today. Professor Adams joins us to discuss her life, the book, and why she cares so deeply about this decision. While the decision caused great harm, Professor Adams also provides us with hope. The book gives a more complete understanding of the history of the civil rights movement so we can start from a shared set of facts. This understanding can help us all demand that our children learn together, in high quality, fully funded, integrated public schools, because, as Professor Adams says, it's very hard to have a multiracial democracy without that. ________________ Finding a school where your children can thrive, while avoiding contributing to the ongoing segregation we see today, can feel like a tough issue for socially conscious parents. Check out our FREE guide on how you can start engaging with the education system to achieve just that: Click here to download the guide now! ________________ LINKS:
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| Gratitude and Validation: One Family's Journey Through Integrated Schools | 22 Jan 2025 | 01:00:07 | |
Every parent and caregiver wants a crystal ball. We want to see how the choices we make for our kids, from screen time to activities to where they go to school, will impact them when they're older. Choosing an integrating school can feel like a risky choice, and even if we believe that it is the right choice, both for our kids, and our community, it's easy for doubt to creep in. Susan, a White mom in Lancaster, PA, and her husband, made that choice for their son, Elias in kindergarten. When he was 15, he was at a track meet with schools from around the county, and recognized how many other schools were almost entirely full of White students. He took that moment to say thank you to his parents for the choices they made. He recognized all the benefits he had received from his integrated education, from a comfort in diverse spaces, to a deeper sense of community, to an appreciation for not being centered at all times. Susan and Elias join us to share their experience, what they've learned, and what they hope other parents, caregivers, and kids can take from their journey.
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| How Schools Make Race with Dr. Laura Chávez-Moreno | 18 Dec 2024 | 00:57:06 | |
We often talk about race as a social construct. We know that there is more genetic diversity within racial groups than between. And yet, race obviously has real life impacts on people's lives. We have talked on the show in the past about the historical creation of race, and looked at the creation of Whiteness, particularly in relation to Blackness. Our guest today complicates this understanding both by asking us to acknowledge the ways race continues to be created and re-created, particularly in schools, and by asking us to consider the label of Latinx as a racial category rather than an ethnicity. Dr. Laura Chávez-Moreno recently wrote a booked called, How Schools Make Race: Teaching Latinx Radicalization in America, in which she argues that schools play an important role in how society makes and remakes racial categories. Through an examination of two dual-language programs in the midwest, Dr. Chávez-Moreno studied the ways these programs reify ideas about racial identity and use what she calls an "imagined" Spanish, as a proxy for racial identification. The conversation complicates our understanding of racial categories, and highlights the ways that school could play an important role in moving beyond anti-racism and towards an anti-race society. ________________ Finding a school where your children can thrive, while avoiding contributing to the ongoing segregation we see today, can feel like a tough issue for socially conscious parents. Check out our FREE guide on how you can start engaging with the education system to achieve just that: Click here to download the guide now! ________________ LINKS:
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| Advocacy for Equitable Funding and Integration with Brown's Promise | 27 Nov 2024 | 00:59:24 | |
The way we fund schools in this country often results in haves and have nots. We have some districts with immense wealth, often bordering districts that are severely under resourced. The work of creating more equitable funding formulae is important and ongoing. At the same time, we have district lines that make for school districts deeply segregated by race and class. The work of desegregating our schools is also important and ongoing. And yet, the people working on these two seemingly separate problems rarely work together. Brown's Promise was created to bring these conversations together with the belief that both are important, and neither can be solved without addressing the other. We will never equitably resource segregated schools, and school desegregation is a key tool towards providing equitable opportunity for all kids. Saba Bireda (who we met at our live show back in May), and Ary Amerikaner met working on these separate issues in the Obama administration. Their frustration with the slow pace of progress led them to start Brown's Promise early last year. Their work focuses on advocating for well-resourced, integrated schools that actually serve all of our children. From state level litigation to a policy agenda to a community engagement, Brown's Promise is committed to fulfilling the promise of the Brown v Board decision. Believing that separate is inherently unequal, they believe that giving all students an equitable education requires fully-funded, integrated schools for all. They join us to discuss their work, how parents and caregivers can get involved in advocacy work, and what the world might look like if we could solve these two, interrelated issues. LINKS:
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| Reflections on the 2024 Election | 13 Nov 2024 | 00:30:15 | |
In the wake of the election results, Dr. Val and Andrew sit down to reflect on what it means for ourselves, for the Integrated Schools movement, and for the institution of public education.
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| White Rage Revisited with Carol Anderson | 30 Oct 2024 | 01:03:59 | |
As we approach the 2024 election, we wanted to revisit a conversation with one of our favorite guests, Dr. Carol Anderson, the Charles Howard Candler Professor of African American Studies at Emory University. In addition to writing White Rage: The Unspoken Truth of Our Nation’s Divide, One Person, No Vote: How Voter Suppression is Destroying Our Democracy, and The Second: Race and Guns in a Fatally Unequal America, Dr. Anderson brings a depth of knowledge about our country's ongoing struggle to become a true, multi-racial democracy that felt particularly relevant in the run-up to the election. At the core of her research agenda is how policy is made and unmade, how racial inequality and racism affect that process and outcome, and how those who have taken the brunt of those laws, executive orders, and directives have worked to shape, counter, undermine, reframe, and, when necessary, dismantle the legal and political edifice used to limit their rights and their humanity. With a gift for making the illegible legible, Dr. Anderson provides us with a clear eyed look at the history that has led to the widely inequitable education system we have today. And while the topic is heavy, she brings joy and laughter to the conversation in a way that can only leave you smiling through the pain. We close the episode with some new commentary from Dr. Val and Andrew - if you remember the original episode and want to jump ahead to that, you'll find it around the 55:00 mark. LINKS:
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| The First - One Family's Desegregation Story | 23 Oct 2024 | 01:01:19 | |
In the fall of 1963, in Petersburg, VA, 6 young Black girls integrated Stonewall Jackson Elementary School. In the middle of the Massive Resistance era, districts around Virginia and throughout the South were fighting desegregation tooth and nail. From physical violence to the closing of entire school districts, communities were circumventing the Brown v Board decision in whatever ways they could. In 1961, Reverend Grady W. Powell, Sr, became the pastor of Gillfield Baptist Church, located in the heart of Petersburg. With a deep commitment to civil rights, and past experience with desegregation attempts in Richmond, Rev. Powell believed it was time for Petersburg to fulfill the promise of the Brown decision. He and his wife decided to enroll their two daughters, along with 4 other children of church members, in the all White, Stonewall Jackson Elementary. Using his relationships and status in the town, Rev. Powell approached the superintendent of the schools to ask for his support. Despite his initial reticence, the superintendent eventually agreed to support the effort, and worked with the town to minimize the disruption. Over 60 years later, this story has rarely been told, and yet, it's an important moment in the history of the country. We're joined by one of those young children who held the weight of the movement on their small shoulders all those years ago. Reverend Powell's daughter, Dr. Sandra Powell Mitchell was entering the 4th grade in 1963, and still remembers the first day of school well. She joins us to tell her story, how it informed her life's work as an educator, and if she thinks it was all worth it. We also get to hear from her father, who, at 92, is still a powerful voice for the importance of community, the value of diversity, and the goal of truly living together. LINKS:
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| Deny, Defund, Divert: Janel George on Race and Justice in Education | 09 Oct 2024 | 00:50:04 | |
Janel George, a Georgetown Law professor, who explores race and justice in education, recently wrote a paper that moved us here at Integrated Schools. Called "Deny, Defund, and Divert: The Law and American Miseducation", the piece outlines historical and modern systemic educational inequalities faced by Black communities, linked to legislative actions and adaptations of White supremacy. She joins us to talk about legislative lawyering, the importance of community engagement when making public policy, and the ongoing role of systemic racism in our legal and education systems. Ms. George shares her vision for a racially just education system, and highlights the ways the battle to achieve that vision require us to understand the past and see the threads of past efforts to deny education to Black students, to defund education focused on Black students, and to divert Black educators away from eduction, in our current struggles. LINKS:
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| Season 11 Kickoff: Recommitted | 25 Sep 2024 | 00:26:26 | |
We're back!! We hope you had a wonderful summer! We're excited to be back in your feeds as a new school year gets underway. As we kick off season 11 of the podcast, we are recommitting to the mission and vision of Integrated Schools, and using the podcast as a platform to invite you in to the conversation.
As we dive into new episodes for this season, we have three themes that will be guiding our conversations.
You'll hear us unpack these themes throughout the conversations we'll be sharing this season. Contribute to our story bank! speakpipe.com/IntegratedSchools or send us an email - podcast@integratedschools.org Check out our Bookshop.org storefront to support local bookstores, and send a portion of the proceeds back to us. Join our Patreon to support this work, and connect with us and other listeners to discuss these issues even further. Let us know what you think of this episode, suggest future topics, or share your story with us – IntegratedSchools on Facebook, or email us podcast@integratedschools.org. The Integrated Schools Podcast was created by Courtney Mykytyn and Andrew Lefkowits. This episode was produced by Andrew Lefkowits and Val Brown. It was edited, and mixed by Andrew Lefkowits. Music by Kevin Casey. Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy | |||
| Reflections On Season 10 | 12 Jun 2024 | 00:34:21 | |
Nineteen episodes later, Season 10 comes to an end, and we are reflecting on an incredible season. Our themes for the season were the importance of public schools, the power of storytelling, the importance of community, and stamina, and we had 19 incredible episodes going deep on all of those themes, and more. Plus, we had our first ever live show!
Thanks to everyone who makes the Integrated Schools work possible, from our Board of Directors, to our chapter and network contacts, our leadership team, and bookclub moderators, we are so grateful to all of you. Special thanks to Darci and Jennifer for helping out with transcripts for every episode, Sasha and Courtney for help with graphics, and Anna for social media promotion.
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S10E9 – The Importance of Belonging with Dr. Shanette Porter
S10E14 – Jim Crow’s Pink Slip with Dr. Leslie Fenwick
S10E15 – Rebuilding The Black Educator Pipeline with Sharif El-Mekki
S10E5 – Taking Just Action for Integration with Richard and Leah Rothstein
S10E3 – There Goes the Neighborhood with Jade Adia
S10E2 – The Demands and Promises of Integration with John Blake
S10E10 – Parenting to Create the World We Want
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| The 70th Anniversary of Brown v Board - Do It Live! | 29 May 2024 | 01:21:11 | |
Dreams really do come true . . . We have wanted to do a live show for quite some time, and finally had the opportunity thanks to The National Coalition for School Diversity, The Century Foundation, and the American Institutes for Research,who invited us to facilitate their event marking the 70th anniversary of Brown v Board. Hosted at the National Museum of African American History and Culture, on the Oprah Winfrey Stage, we were honored to facilitate three panel discussions grappling with the challenges we face today in fulfilling the true promise of Brown.
Joined by an amazing group of speakers, all deeply committed to doing integration better, we brought the nuanced, honest conversations you know from the podcast to a live audience for the first time, and hopefully not the last. From the incredible Representative Jim Clyburn, to past podcast guests, Stefan Lallinger and Matt Gonzales, to many others, we are thrilled to share excerpts from the event today. You can also watch the full program.
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Brown v Board at 70: Fulfilling the True Promise of School Integration - the full event video
Speaker Bios
Stefan Lallinger on our show - S7E3 – Generational Work: Stefan Lallinger on Integration
Matt Gonzales on our show - S5E12 – COVID-19: Matt Gonzales on Equity
The Bridges Collaborative at The Century Foundation
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| A Tipping Point for Change 70 Years After Brown v Board | 17 May 2024 | 00:20:48 | |
May 17th, 1954 the Supreme Court handed down its famous decision in the Brown v Board of Education of Topekacase. So much of the work of Integrated Schools is about trying to live into the promises made through that unanimous decision. On May 17th, 1973, a girl was born in Woodbridge, Virginia. That girl, Courtney Everts Mykytyn, would go on to found Integrated Schools in 2015, calling in parents and caregivers with privilege to work towards fulfilling the vision extolled by the court nineteen years to the day before she was born.
Tragically, Courtney was struck by a car and killed on Dec 29th, 2019, cutting short a life full of promise. Not before, however, she had started a movement. All of us at Integrated Schools, from the podcast team, to chapter and networkleaders, to book club facilitators, to social media managers, are here because of her vision, her heart, and her commitment to always working to know better and do better.
To mark this special day we are re-releasing one of Courtney's last episodes of the podcast, originally called "All I Want for Christmas is 3.5%". It beautifully captures her clear-eyed realism, and her unfaltering optimism. She believed that if we can call enough people in, real change is possible, and a better world can await our children, and their children. So, on this special day, we call you in to our work. How can you be part of the 3.5% of people needed to create change? What can you do to join this work? We await you with open arms.
LINKS:
Courtney's Blog post, 3.5%, Gratitude, and Shape-Shifting Reptiles
Dr. Erica Chenoweth's Ted Talk
Matt Gonzales – “White Lips to White Ears”
Dr. Elizabeth McRae on the Mother’s of Massive Resistance
Professor Michelle Adams on Milliken v Bradley and the hope for a multi-racial democracy
Our Brown v Board at 65 Series called "The Stories We Tell Ourselves"
S6E8 – BvB@67 – Rucker Johnson Revisited
S6E9 – BvB@67 – Noliwe Rooks Revisited
S6E10 – BvB@67 – Amanda Lewis Revisited
S6E11 – BvB@67 – David Hinojosa Revisited
S6E12 – BvB@67- Greg and Carol Revisited
The Hechinger Report's Series - Revisiting Brown 70 Years Later
The Civil Rights Project - The Unfinished Battle for Integration in a Multiracial America
Colorlines - Attacks on Public Education Threaten the Legacy of Brown
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Join our Patreon to support this work, and connect with us and other listeners to discuss these issues even further.
Let us know what you think of this episode, suggest future topics, or share your story with us – IntegratedSchools on Facebook, or email us podcast@integratedschools.org.
The Integrated Schools Podcast was created by Courtney Mykytyn and Andrew Lefkowits.
This episode was produced by Andrew Lefkowits and Courtney Mykytyn. It was edited, and mixed by Andrew Lefkowits.
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| Local Stories of Desegregation: Charlotte | 01 May 2024 | 01:00:37 | |
In 1954’s Brown v Board decision, the Supreme Court ruled that separate was inherently unequal. However, the Brown II decision a year later said that fixing our separate education system should happen with “all deliberate speed.” The deliberate speed in most places was glacial, leading many local communities to file law suits demanding action. These local desegregation cases happened across the country following similar patterns, but varying due to local contexts. We started with a three-part series on Denver. This is our second deep dive into one of those stories, this time focusing on Charlotte, NC.
In 1971, the Supreme Court ruled in Swann v Charlotte - Mecklenburg Board of Education that, among other things, student assignment policies that involved bussing kids to achieve racial balance was a legitimate remedy for districts violating the mandate of the Brown decision. Eventually embraced by the city, the decision, and the bussing plan it led to, were held up as a model for the country of how to do desegregation right. Business boomed in Charlotte, in part because of the community embrace of school desegregation. Twenty eight years later, in Capacchione v. Charlotte-Mecklenburg Schools, the district court ruled that Charlotte-Mecklenburg had complied with the Swan decision "to the extent reasonably practicable", and terminated the desegregation order, declaring it a "unitary system." Much like many other cities around the country, once the court was no longer mandating desegregation, the district began to re-segregate. Today, with nearly 75% of CMS students identifying as students of color, and massive segregation both racially and socio-economically, the district is struggling to serve all kids well.
Dr. James Ford grew up in Illinois and was bussed through a desegregation plan premised on the Swann decision. While the additional resources this provided were important, he experienced an educational environment that felt unwelcoming, and, at times, outwardly hostile. He made it his life's work to dismantle the systemic racism that caused that harm. Eventually landing in Charlotte as a teacher, he wanted to understand the history of the city and choices made by the people in power that led to him teaching in a highly segregated high school named after the superintendent who had overseen the nationally lauded desegregation plans of the 70s.
His commitment to dismantle racism through the field of education led him to create the Center for Racial Equity in Education, where he serves as the executive director, working to "serve each and every child by also making students of color central to every facet of how schools function." He joins us to share the history of Charlotte, and his current work.
You can support his important work by donating here.
LINKS:
The Center for Racial Equity in Education - CREED
Dr. Ford's Op-Ed on segregation
Swann v Charlotte - Mecklenburg Board of Education
Capacchione v. Charlotte-Mecklenburg Schools
The Dudley Flood Center's North Carolina School Desegregation and Resegregation Timeline
Integrated Schools' local chapters and networks
The Legacy and Philanthropy of Anna T Jeanes
S10E11 - Local Stories of Desegregation: Denver (Part 1)
S10E11 - Local Stories of Desegregation: Denver (Part 2)
S10E11 - Local Stories of Desegregation: Denver (Part 3)
Check out our Bookshop.org storefront to support local bookstores, and send a portion of the proceeds back to us.
Join our Patreon to support this work, and connect with us and other listeners to discuss these issues even further.
Let us know what you think of this episode, suggest future topics, or share your story with us – IntegratedSchools on Facebook, or email us podcast@integratedschools.org.
The Integrated Schools Podcast was created by Courtney Mykytyn and Andrew Lefkowits.
This episode was produced by Andrew Lefkowits and Val Brown. It was edited, and mixed by Andrew Lefkowits.
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| Rebuilding The Black Educator Pipeline | 17 Apr 2024 | 00:59:36 | |
In 2021, 80% of teachers in our country's public schools were White, while just 6% were Black. That same year, 54% of public school students were students of color, and 15% were Black. We also know of the extensive research showing the positive impacts of Black teachers on all kids, but especially on Black kids. However, as we learned last episode from Dr. Leslie Fenwick, we lost over 100,000 Black teachers in the wake of desegregation attempt, and the Black teacher pipeline was crushed through explicit and implicit government action. In 2019, Sharif El-Mekki founded The Center for Black Educator Development to do something about it. With a commitment to the "deeply subversive act of teaching superbly", they are targeting interventions to increase the number of Black teachers so Black and other disenfranchised students can reap the full benefits of a quality public education.
Mr. El-Mekki joins us to discuss his work, and explain how it is rooted in a Black educational tradition that stretches back generations. His teaching and leading is informed by his own upbringing attending a Black freedom school in Philadelphia, his experience as a teacher and school leader, and the teacher activists who poured into him throughout his life.
LINKS:
The Center for Black Educator Development
Philly's 7th Ward - Mr. El-Mekki's blog
The 8 Black Hands Podcast
Reviving the Legacy of the Black Teacher Tradition - Mr. El-Mekki's TED Talk
S10E14 - Jim Crow's Pink Slip with Dr. Leslie Fenwick
Ep 5 - Interview with a Skeptic - Chris Stewart on our show
The Nguzo Saba
Check out our Bookshop.org storefront to support local bookstores, and send a portion of the proceeds back to us.
Join our Patreon to support this work, and connect with us and other listeners to discuss these issues even further.
Let us know what you think of this episode, suggest future topics, or share your story with us – IntegratedSchools on Facebook, or email us podcast@integratedschools.org.
The Integrated Schools Podcast was created by Courtney Mykytyn and Andrew Lefkowits.
This episode was produced by Andrew Lefkowits and Val Brown. It was edited, and mixed by Andrew Lefkowits.
Music by Kevin Casey.
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| Jim Crow's Pink Slip with Dr. Leslie Fenwick | 03 Apr 2024 | 01:00:31 | |
Seventeen years after the Brown v Board decision, in 1971, US Senator Walter Mondale chaired a number of Select Committee hearings on Equal Educational Opportunity. One of these hearings focused on what was happening to Black teachers and principals as the country begrudgingly worked to desegregate our schools. The hearing featured testimony and supplemental documentation calling attention to the vast number of Black teachers who were losing their jobs in the Southern, dual-system states. Despite Brown's promise of desegregated schools including faculty and staff in addition to students, districts across the South were finding ways to remove Black teachers and principals, rather than allowing them to teach White kids.
The transcripts from these hearings quite literally fell into Dr. Leslie Fenwick's lap as she began a PhD program in educational policy. The stories they held matched her own lived experience. Stories of highly qualified, highly educated Black teachers who served as community leaders, and fostered a sense of belonging and empowerment among their Black students was what Dr. Fenwick and her parents and grandparents had known. And yet, as she embarked on her PhD program, these stories weren't being told. Eventually, these transcripts would form the primary evidentiary basis for her bestselling 2022 book, Jim Crow's Pink Slip: The Untold Story of Black Principal and Teacher Leadership.
She joins us to talk about the book, her journey to writing it, and what understanding this untold history means for the ongoing quest for more teachers of color.
LINKS:
Jim Crow's Pink Slip: The Untold Story of Black Principal and Teacher Leadership
Transcript for the Senate Select Committee Hearing on the loss of Black Teachers
Dunbar High School - Washington, DC
Sumner Academy of Arts and Science - Kansas City, MO
The Summer of Soul documentary
Whitey On The Moon - Gil Scott-Heron
Sharif El-Mekki - The Center for Black Educator Development
Check out our Bookshop.org storefront to support local bookstores, and send a portion of the proceeds back to us.
Join our Patreon to support this work, and connect with us and other listeners to discuss these issues even further.
Let us know what you think of this episode, suggest future topics, or share your story with us – IntegratedSchools on Facebook, or email us podcast@integratedschools.org.
The Integrated Schools Podcast was created by Courtney Mykytyn and Andrew Lefkowits.
This episode was produced by Andrew Lefkowits and Val Brown. It was edited, and mixed by Andrew Lefkowits.
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| Local Stories of Desegregation: DENVER (Part 3) | 20 Mar 2024 | 00:59:33 | |
PART 3 of 3
In 1954’s Brown v Board decision, the Supreme Court ruled that separate was inherently unequal. However, the Brown II decision a year later said that fixing our separate education system should happen with “all deliberate speed.” The deliberate speed in most places was glacial, leading many local communities to file law suits demanding action. These local desegregation cases happened across the country following similar patterns, but varying due to local contexts. We are going to dive into several of these local stories in the coming months, and we are starting today with Denver, CO.
In 1973, the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the plaintiffs in Keyes v. Denver Public Schools, requiring Denver to desegregate its schools. This led to 21 years of court ordered desegregation, including through the use of busing. A local educational advocacy organization, Park Hill Neighbors for Equity in Education, recently hosted an event to commemorate the anniversary and reflect on the promises made at the time of the case, and the ways we have failed to live up to them.
Over the course of three episodes, we will be bringing you audio from that event. Our hope is that by understanding local stories, we can see national themes emerge that may help chart a path forward.
If you have a local story of desegregation to share, let us know! Record a voice memo and email it to podcast@integratedschools.org, or visit Speakpipe.com/integratedschools.
LINKS:
A video of the full event – Integration and Equity in DPS 50 Years After Keyes
Park Hill Neighbors for Equity in Education’s website – PHNEE.org
The slideshow from the event
Comments from the participants at the event
Pat Pascoe’s book – A Dream of Justice: The Story of Keyes v Denver Public Schools‘
Tomàs Monarrez on our show - S7E4 – Redrawing the Lines: Undoing the History of Segregation
EPIC Youth Theater on our show
S6E2 – EPIC’s “Nothing About Us”: Youth Theater on Integration
S9E10 – Between The Lines: An EPIC Comeback
S5E4 – All I Want for Christmas is 3.5%
Rucker Johnson’s book – Children of The Dream
A visual timeline of the Keyes case prepared by Laura Lefkowits
Andrew on Brother Jeff’s show talking about Integrated Schools and the event
Milliken v Bradley – which includes Justice Thurgood Marshall’s powerful dissent
Our episode with Michelle Adams about the Milliken case
More resources from PHNEE
Check out our Bookshop.org storefront to support local bookstores, and send a portion of the proceeds back to us.
Join our Patreon to support this work, and connect with us and other listeners to discuss these issues even further.
Let us know what you think of this episode, suggest future topics, or share your story with us – IntegratedSchools on Facebook, or email us podcast@integratedschools.org.
The Integrated Schools Podcast was created by Courtney Mykytyn and Andrew Lefkowits.
This episode was produced by Andrew Lefkowits and Val Brown. It was edited, and mixed by Andrew Lefkowits.
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| Local Stories of Desegregation: DENVER (Part 2) | 13 Mar 2024 | 00:58:28 | |
PART 2 of 3
In 1954's Brown v Board decision, the Supreme Court ruled that separate was inherently unequal. However, the Brown II decision a year later said that fixing our separate education system should happen with "all deliberate speed." The deliberate speed in most places was glacial, leading many local communities to file law suits demanding action. These local desegregation cases happened across the country following similar patterns, but varying due to local contexts. We are going to dive into several of these local stories in the coming months, and we are starting today with Denver, CO.
In 1973, the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the plaintiffs in Keyes v. Denver Public Schools, requiring Denver to desegregate its schools. This led to 21 years of court ordered desegregation, including through the use of busing. A local educational advocacy organization, Park Hill Neighbors for Equity in Education, recently hosted an event to commemorate the anniversary and reflect on the promises made at the time of the case, and the ways we have failed to live up to them.
Over the next three episodes, we will be bringing you audio from that event. Our hope is that by understanding local stories, we can see national themes emerge that may help chart a path forward.
If you have a local story of desegregation to share, let us know! Record a voice memo and email it to podcast@integratedschools.org, or visit Speakpipe.com/integratedschools.
LINKS:
A video of the full event - Integration and Equity in DPS 50 Years After Keyes
Park Hill Neighbors for Equity in Education's website - PHNEE.org
The slideshow from the event
Comments from the participants at the event
Pat Pascoe's book - A Dream of Justice: The Story of Keyes v Denver Public Schools'
S5E4 - All I Want for Christmas is 3.5%
Rucker Johnson's book - Children of The Dream
A visual timeline of the Keyes case prepared by Laura Lefkowits
Andrew on Brother Jeff's show talking about Integrated Schools and the event
Milliken v Bradley - which includes Justice Thurgood Marshall's powerful dissent
Our episode with Michelle Adams about the Milliken case
More resources from PHNEE
Check out our Bookshop.org storefront to support local bookstores, and send a portion of the proceeds back to us.
Join our Patreon to support this work, and connect with us and other listeners to discuss these issues even further.
Let us know what you think of this episode, suggest future topics, or share your story with us – IntegratedSchools on Facebook, or email us podcast@integratedschools.org.
The Integrated Schools Podcast was created by Courtney Mykytyn and Andrew Lefkowits.
This episode was produced by Andrew Lefkowits and Val Brown. It was edited, and mixed by Andrew Lefkowits.
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| Local Stories of Desegregation: DENVER (Part 1) | 06 Mar 2024 | 00:34:39 | |
In 1954's Brown v Board decision, the Supreme Court ruled that separate was inherently unequal. However, the Brown II decision a year later said that fixing our separate education system should happen with "all deliberate speed." The deliberate speed in most places was glacial, leading many local communities to file law suits demanding action. These local desegregation cases happened across the country following similar patterns, but varying due to local contexts. We are going to dive into several of these local stories in the coming months, and we are starting today with Denver, CO.
In 1973, the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the plaintiffs in Keyes v. Denver Public Schools, requiring Denver to desegregate its schools. This led to 21 years of court ordered desegregation, including through the use of busing. A local educational advocacy organization, Park Hill Neighbors for Equity in Education, recently hosted an event to commemorate the anniversary and reflect on the promises made at the time of the case, and the ways we have failed to live up to them.
Over the next three episodes, we will be bringing you audio from that event. Our hope is that by understanding local stories, we can see national themes emerge that may help chart a path forward.
If you have a local story of desegregation to share, let us know! Record a voice memo and email it to podcast@integratedschools.org, or visit Speakpipe.com/integratedschools.
LINKS:
A video of the full event - Integration and Equity in DPS 50 Years After Keyes
Park Hill Neighbors for Equity in Education's website - PHNEE.org
The slideshow from the event
Comments from the participants at the event
Pat Pascoe's book - A Dream of Justice: The Story of Keyes v Denver Public Schools
A visual timeline of the Keyes case prepared by Laura Lefkowits
Andrew on Brother Jeff's show talking about Integrated Schools and the event
Milliken v Bradley - which includes Justice Thurgood Marshall's powerful dissent
Our episode with Michelle Adams about the Milliken case
More resources from PHNEE
Check out our Bookshop.org storefront to support local bookstores, and send a portion of the proceeds back to us.
Join our Patreon to support this work, and connect with us and other listeners to discuss these issues even further.
Let us know what you think of this episode, suggest future topics, or share your story with us – IntegratedSchools on Facebook, or email us podcast@integratedschools.org.
The Integrated Schools Podcast was created by Courtney Mykytyn and Andrew Lefkowits.
This episode was produced by Andrew Lefkowits and Val Brown. It was edited, and mixed by Andrew Lefkowits.
Music by Kevin Casey. Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy | |||