The Innovative Revenue Leader – Details, episodes & analysis

In this episode of Innovative Revenue Leader, Seth Marrs sits down with Joseph Miller, Co-Founder and Chief AI Officer at Vivun, to explore how AI agents are fundamentally changing how revenue teams operate. Joseph shares how AI is moving beyond support tools and into real-time decision-making, joining conversations, surfacing insights, and accelerating outcomes.

The conversation dives into the realities of building in an AI-first world, from making high-risk bets during uncertain market shifts to rethinking how deals are won. Joseph explains how AI is compressing sales cycles, reshaping team roles, and creating a new dynamic where human judgment and machine intelligence must work together.

Takeaways:

• AI is moving into real-time decision making. The most innovative shift is AI participating in live moments like sales calls and meetings. Instead of supporting work before or after, AI is now influencing decisions as they happen.

• Companies must be willing to disrupt themselves. Joseph highlights the need to pivot early, even when it is uncomfortable. Waiting for certainty can leave companies out of position in fast-moving markets.

• Building in uncertainty is required for innovation. Leaders must make bets without perfect information. Success comes from acting on conviction and adapting quickly as technology evolves.

• AI is compressing sales cycles dramatically. Buyers increasingly want fast, direct answers rather than long relationship-driven processes. AI enables teams to deliver value quickly and close deals faster.

• Human value becomes more important, not less. As AI takes over repetitive work, the remaining human contributions like judgment, creativity, and relationship-building become more critical.

• There is an emerging “age of abundance” in work. AI is expanding what is possible by removing low-value tasks. This allows teams to spend more time on meaningful, high-impact work.

• Exploration drives long-term innovation. Joseph emphasizes that broad exploration across disciplines builds better problem-solving ability and leads to more innovative thinking over time. 

Quote of the Show:

• “The most innovative things are happening in the moments where AI is actually joining the decisions.” - Joseph Miller

Links:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/likeascientist/
• Website: http://www.vivun.com

Ways to Tune In:

• Innovative Revenue Leader Website: InnovativeRevenueLeader.ai 
• Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4Hn0sJKCzneggQj3j4XKo3?si=02c4c44769dc41bb 
• Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-innovative-revenue-leader/id1843401468 
• Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/48477601-e33b-4c80-a4af-739863e58131 
• Podchaser: https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/the-innovative-revenue-leader-6233089 

In this episode of Innovative Revenue Leader, Seth Marrs sits down with Nithya Lakshmanan, Chief Product Officer at Outreach, to explore what it really takes to adopt AI successfully inside modern revenue organizations.

Nithya shares that while AI is often positioned as a technology transformation, the real challenge lies in aligning people, processes, and workflows. The conversation dives into how organizations can move beyond experimentation to meaningful adoption by embedding AI into daily operations, prioritizing real business problems, and ensuring teams are equipped to use it effectively.

Takeaways:

• AI adoption is a people and process challenge, not just technology: Organizations often underestimate the human side of AI. Success depends on aligning teams, workflows, and incentives so AI becomes part of how work actually gets done.

• Start with real business problems, not tools: Many companies adopt AI without a clear use case. Nithya emphasizes that leaders must begin with specific problems tied to revenue, pipeline, or efficiency before introducing technology.

• Workflow integration determines success: AI only creates value when embedded into existing systems and daily habits. Bolting on tools without integration leads to low adoption and minimal impact.

• Enablement is critical for adoption: Teams need training, context, and confidence to use AI effectively. Without proper enablement, even the best tools will fail to deliver results.

• Experimentation must lead to execution: Pilots and proofs of concept are only the first step. Organizations must scale what works and operationalize AI to drive measurable outcomes.

• Leadership alignment accelerates transformation: When leadership is aligned on goals, expectations, and use cases, AI adoption becomes faster and more effective across the organization.

Quote of the Show:

• “AI doesn’t fail because of the technology. It fails because it’s not embedded into how people actually work.” - Nithya Lakshmanan

Links:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nithya-lakshmanan/
• Website: http://www.outreach.io/

Ways to Tune In:

• Innovative Revenue Leader Website: InnovativeRevenueLeader.ai 
• Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4Hn0sJKCzneggQj3j4XKo3?si=02c4c44769dc41bb 
• Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-innovative-revenue-leader/id1843401468 
• Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/48477601-e33b-4c80-a4af-739863e58131 
• Podchaser: https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/the-innovative-revenue-leader-6233089 

Forget AI theater—this conversation gets into the real decisions leaders face when moving from copilots to autonomous agents. We unpack what the board actually cares about: where agents sit in the customer journey, how they reshape processes that humans or legacy software used to carry, and what that means for ROI, accountability, and experience design.

John Arnold, Head of Product Marketing and Strategic Advisory at Creatio, brings hands-on insight from large enterprises and high-growth teams building with no code and agentic CRM. We break down the difference between assistants that draft and agents that act, and why that shift forces choices about redeploying people, rethinking service models, and defining your edge—human-led differentiation or agent-led speed. Expect concrete examples from banking and financial services, where back office volume meets customer expectations for instant outcomes, plus the math behind productivity gains that don’t automatically equal headcount cuts.

We also confront the adoption gap in professional services. Tech leaders overwhelmingly see agents as critical, while many services firms hesitate. We explore why, and reveal the opportunity hiding in plain sight: data readiness, governance, agent design, and change management that clients will pay for when partners move beyond strategy decks to shipping safe, reliable systems. Finally, we show how enterprise-grade no code flips the delivery model—empowering technical business users, establishing fusion teams with IT, and putting guardrails in place so teams can build applications, workflows, and agents without waiting on quarterly release trains.

If you care about turning AI into outcomes, this is your playbook for getting beyond pilots, aligning humans and agents where they’re strongest, and scaling responsibly. Subscribe, share with a colleague who owns an AI mandate, and leave a review with your biggest agent-related challenge—we may feature it next time.

If you’ve ever felt the boardroom’s optimism collide with the grind of the field, this conversation will sound familiar. We unpack fresh pulse data from roughly 175 people across sales, marketing, and customer success to reveal why executives say growth is up while sellers feel squeezed, and how AI is changing workflows in ways that actually stick.

We start with the split: leaders reading future indicators versus sellers living inside over-assigned quotas. That gap shows up again when we compare small versus large organizations—lean teams use AI and streamlined processes to move faster, while big orgs wrestle with process debt. From there, we break down what each group truly values. Sellers overwhelmingly want sales effectiveness and coaching. Strategy, ops, and enablement prioritize planning. Executives talk about alignment, yet budget and focus often drift toward tech and planning instead of shared execution.

AI’s real impact is clear and refreshingly practical. Preparation and planning top the list of wins, with sellers relying on AI for research, account intelligence, and meeting prep. Forecasting and planning tools are finally making inroads with leadership as embedded capabilities improve. What’s missing is as telling as what’s working: despite vendor hype, AI-led lead prioritization isn’t trusted or adopted at scale. We explore why that trust gap persists and outline a path to pilot prioritization with tight feedback loops, measurable outcomes, and seller input.

We also map the tooling landscape and why “revenue orchestration” is becoming the seller’s workspace. Gong, Glean, and Clay surface repeatedly for their data-first approaches, focused agents, and top-of-funnel innovation. You’ll hear concrete use cases—contact enrichment, deep research, role play and coaching—that cut ramp time and lift conversions without adding bloat. By the end, you’ll have a playbook: align on one funnel and forecast, fund effectiveness at the frontline, measure AI by outcomes not demos, and build an operating rhythm that forces shared truth. If this resonates, follow the show, share it with your team, and leave a quick review to help others find it.

Growth doesn’t happen when a contract is signed. Growth happens when customers actually use what they bought, day after day. We wrap our usage-based sales series by connecting the dots between pricing strategy, operations, and compensation—showing a concrete path from “right to buy” to realized revenue you can bank on.

We start by reframing the sales motion for consumption models. Winning access is only the opening move; the real work is guiding adoption and hitting a clear, data-backed ramp. Rather than forcing usage into traditional opportunities, we walk through why account-level management creates clarity across products, regions, and divisions. From there, we dig into forecasting: finance or a deal desk should own usage predictions with analytics and machine learning, not sellers guessing run rate. You’ll learn how to stack committed volumes with live run rate to set honest targets and expose realization gaps before they become surprises.

Role design gets a reset too. AEs close the first purchase and stay accountable through the ramp window, then hand off to CSMs or AMs to maintain and deepen value while they open the next wedge—new divisions, higher tiers, or complementary products. We share practical ways to instrument telemetry, trigger alerts when adoption stalls, and align incentives to ramp and sustained usage. The result is a simple, repeatable operating model: forecast with data, manage at the account, pay for realization, and hunt for expansion where customers already show proof of value.

Ready to turn promises into proof and surface the growth hiding in your consumption revenue? Follow the show, share this episode with a teammate who owns forecasting or CS, and leave a quick review telling us your ramp window and how you define success.

Most comp plans buy the wrong behavior in a usage-based world—and the results show up as stale pipelines, noisy dashboards, and hunters who drift into farming. We sat down with seasoned sales ops leader Chuck Lee to unpack how to pay for outcomes that actually matter: a clean start, a predictable ramp, and a scalable hand-off that sticks.
 
 We trace a real transformation inside a large inbound motion where reps were incentivized to chase the oldest leads and obsess over consumption they didn’t own. By stripping the plan to a simple, action-focused design and shutting off post-implementation pay for AEs, the team saw a 40%+ lift in conversion. Chuck explains why high-velocity sales demands fewer choices, not more; how to align quotas to volatile demand without eroding trust; and the telltale signs your plan is buying noise instead of revenue.
 
 Then we go deep on usage-based mechanics. The true “deal won” is when the customer starts using the product, and the second milestone is the ramp to forecast. Chuck shares how to set the AE’s window in the deal using historical ramp curves, why FP&A should co-own the model, and how SLAs between sales and CS prevent credit confusion and dropped hand-offs. We also confront the perpetual commission trap that turns hunters into farmers, and outline a cleaner split: hunters own start and ramp-to-target, farmers own adoption, expansion, and problem-solving.
 
 If you’re wrestling with comp design for usage-based sales, this conversation gives you practical guardrails, from monthly quota tuning and points-based payouts to role clarity that protects new logo growth. Subscribe, share with your revenue team, and tell us: what behavior is your comp plan really buying?

The loudest AI often isn’t the smartest. We dig into fresh research with Curtis Schroeder, Head of Research and Insight at Varicent, to unpack a striking pattern among 150 revenue leaders: most expect the biggest ROI from system-level AI—forecasting, territory design, quota setting, incentive modeling—while investments still chase seller-facing tools that look great in a demo but struggle to compound impact.

Curtis explains why AI for revenue is really two markets. Seller AI promises instant productivity stories yet demands training, process change, and continuous behavior shifts. System AI upgrades decision quality at the core, creating compounding gains across the org—better coverage, cleaner attainment, faster re-planning, and more credible forecasts. We explore how to separate hype from value, why human skepticism remains the top blocker, and why adoption improves when AI becomes invisible inside workflows rather than another tool reps must learn.

You’ll hear how leaders pair quick visible wins with deeper system investments, how to make forecasting an always-on signal rather than a month-end ritual, and how to link territory potential to quota for fairer, higher-yield plans. We also get real about ROI proof: attribution is messy, but speed, decision quality, and resilience to market shocks are measurable and persuasive. If you’re navigating mandates to “do AI” while chasing durable growth efficiency, this conversation offers a practical blueprint to build trust, compress planning cycles, and invest where results compound.

If the episode sparks ideas, follow the show, share it with a teammate, and leave a quick review—what’s one system-level decision you’d upgrade with AI next?

Download the report mentioned in this podcast: 

https://www.varicent.com/info/ai-roi-sales-revops

Headlines scream about AI every day, but the real story is quieter: the teams winning with AI aren’t chasing shiny tools, they’re rebuilding how revenue work gets done. We sat down with Dan Morgese, Director of Content Strategy and Research at Gong, to unpack the new State of AI report and reveal what separates impact from noise. The report pairs a survey of 3,000 director-plus leaders with Gong Labs analysis of 7.1 million closed opportunities, giving us both market sentiment and inside-the-workflow evidence.

What stood out first is a mindset shift: productivity just jumped to the number one growth lever, reframed from time saved to revenue per rep. That changes everything. Instead of using AI to draft more emails, top teams use it to guide seller actions, expose deal risk, and align coaching with what actually moves win rates, cycle time, and ASP. Depth of adoption beats breadth—leaders who treat AI as a core driver of strategy, not a sidecar, see stronger commercial outcomes across the board.

We also dig into the underappreciated frontier: forecasting, strategic planning, and initiative tracking. Adoption for these systemic use cases surged as teams realized forecasting improves when you combine call intelligence, pipeline dynamics, and engagement signals. Planning gets smarter when AI informs territory design and compensation scenarios. And tracking initiatives in the wild lets leaders see whether new messaging lands with customers and whether it moves revenue, closing the loop from strategy to impact.

Trust inevitably comes up. Sixty-seven percent of leaders say they trust AI, but the smarter framing is trust in data. Domain-specific systems that capture reality—conversations, signals, and activity—beat manual CRM fields when accuracy and explainability matter. With AI quickly becoming table stakes, the advantage shifts from “Are you using AI?” to “Are you using it well?” If you’re ready to move beyond pilots, this conversation offers a blueprint: pick systemic use cases, build depth, measure what matters, and let revenue per rep be your scoreboard.

If this resonated, follow the show, share it with a colleague who owns forecast or RevOps, and leave a quick review so more revenue leaders can find it.

Unlock the secrets of usage-based sales models and revolutionize your growth strategy with insights from Daragh King, Vice President of Sales Operations at XBO. This episode is your ticket to understanding how transforming from traditional CRM-based opportunity management to innovative usage-based approaches can give you a competitive edge. 

Through Daragh’s expertise, we explore the intricacies of customer promise and realization, and how a simple pricing agreement can lay the groundwork for accurately predicting and realizing revenue opportunities. Get ready to expand your horizons as we dissect the nuances of this transformative model, particularly in industries like financial services, distribution, and transportation.

Get ahead in the fast-paced world of sales with strategic Revenue Operations (RevOps) insights that optimize processes and deepen customer relationships. Discover how the integration of opportunities with existing revenue and shipments can evolve into an early warning system, shifting the focus from mere data reporting to actionable insights through AI and machine learning. 

As the year draws to a close, learn how prioritizing daily tasks using CRM signals can enhance sales efficiency, streamline priorities, and reduce administrative burdens for a more productive workday. Join us on this insightful journey and seize the opportunity to harness these strategies for tangible improvements in revenue and organizational benefits.

00:03) Driving Growth Through Usage-Based Sales

(13:03) Optimizing Sales With RevOps Insights

(16:27) Increasing Sales Efficiency Through Prioritization

(00:03) Driving Growth Through Usage-Based Sales

Nature's usage-based sales models drive growth in financial services, distribution, and transportation industries, with accurate prediction of customer promises being crucial.

(13:03) Optimizing Sales With RevOps Insights

RevOps integrates opportunities and data to enhance sales processes and customer relationships through AI and machine learning.

(16:27) Increasing Sales Efficiency Through Prioritization

CRM signals can enhance sales team productivity by prioritizing tasks and reducing administrative work, leading to tangible improvements in revenue.

What if you could revolutionize your sales process and boost your team's productivity without adding a single new hire? Join us as we uncover the transformative power of AI in sales with insights drawn from a compelling Salesforce study and engaging conversations with three seasoned sales leaders. Discover how AI is reshaping sales workflows, enabling teams to reclaim valuable time for direct customer interactions and driving substantial growth and value creation. We emphasize the critical role of structured initiatives in harnessing these capacity gains and how well-trained sellers can outperform their peers, ultimately generating significant revenue.

In another exciting segment, we explore how Chief Revenue Officers can leverage AI and coaching to maximize sales effectiveness. By reallocating time saved through AI into deeper, high-quality engagements, sales teams can seize opportunities even in limited-deal scenarios. Learn about the use of conversation intelligence as an early warning system to prevent lost deals, and get a sneak peek into the future of sales with a discussion on the shift from traditional SaaS contract pricing to usage-based models. Tune in for valuable insights from our guests and get ready to explore the evolving landscape of sales with industry innovators.

(00:05) Using AI to Drive Sales Efficiency

(07:33) Leveraging AI for Sales Improvement

(00:05) Using AI to Drive Sales Efficiency

This chapter explores how AI can drive value and efficiency within sales organizations, emphasizing that the future of sales is about collaboration between humans and technology. By reimagining workflows, sales teams can use AI to reduce non-selling time and increase direct customer interaction, ultimately boosting productivity. We examine a Salesforce study suggesting that by enhancing efficiency in five key areas, sales teams can reclaim 5% of their time for direct selling, potentially generating significant revenue without additional hires. The discussion highlights the importance of structured initiatives to maximize capacity gains and improve key performance indicators. Additionally, we touch on the impact of effective training, noting that well-trained sellers can significantly outperform their peers. Overall, the focus is on leveraging AI for both efficiency and effectiveness, aiming for substantial growth and value creation in sales organizations.

(07:33) Leveraging AI for Sales Improvement

This chapter focuses on the innovative ways CROs can harness AI and coaching to enhance sales effectiveness. I discuss how reallocating time saved through AI into deeper, higher-quality engagements can maximize opportunities in limited-deal scenarios. Additionally, I highlight the importance of using conversation intelligence to set up tripwires, allowing sales teams to detect and address issues in individual engagements early, thus preventing lost deals. Looking ahead, I introduce the upcoming topic for November, which examines the transition from traditional SaaS contract pricing to usage-based models. This shift involves moving revenue generation from upfront contracts to ongoing usage, posing new challenges and opportunities for sales organizations. I look forward to exploring this with revenue innovators across various industries.

Download the report mentioned in this podcast:

https://enterprise.sandler.com/whitepaper-why-cros-who-adapt-with-ai-will-lead-the-next-era-of-growth?utm_content=350656110&utm_medium=social&utm_source=linkedin&hss_channel=lcp-14155