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The Future of Therapy Training: Exploring Process Coding with Pioneers Dr. Henny Westra and Alyssa Di Bartolomeo10 May 202400:50:08

The transformative work of Dr. Henny Westra and Alyssa Di Bartolomeo in their paper, "Developing expertise in psychotherapy: The case for process coding as clinical training," represents a significant advancement in therapeutic practice.

They introduce a novel framework called "process coding" to enhance therapists’ skills by using session recordings to better understand and refine therapeutic techniques. This method addresses common issues such as therapists' misremembering interactions, enabling a more accurate and effective review and improvement of their sessions. Their approach promises to dramatically enhance therapists' ability to assist clients by offering a systematic way to analyze therapy tapes, which uncovers subtle dynamics and missed opportunities within sessions.

The importance of their work lies in providing a clear, evidence-based path toward refining therapeutic skills beyond traditional training, shifting the focus from theoretical knowledge to practical, observable outcomes. This innovative method could potentially revolutionize the way therapists train and develop their expertise, ultimately leading to more effective client interventions and outcomes.

 

Links and resources mentioned:

Why tough tactics fail and rapport gets results: Observing Rapport-Based Interpersonal Techniques (ORBIT) to generate useful information from terrorists.

This is the article summarizing the early research Laurence Alison et al conducted on police interrogations. I believe it was in this paper they discuss, “you can’t always make things better, but negative interactions can sure make things worse.”

Conditions for Intuitive Expertise: A Failure to Disagree

This is Gary Klein and Daniel Kahneman’s article on the areas where expertise can develop and the areas where it can’t. My big takeaway was areas with clear and quick feedback are the ones who produce expertise.

The wizards of deception detection - Maureen O'Sullivan and Paul Ekman

One of my favorite articles. O'Sullivan and Ekman show that most people, even trained therapists, just aren't that good at reading different facial expressions.

Meet You in McGinnis Meadows: Lessons in Attunement - Scott Miller and Brooke Mathews

Miller and Mathews discuss her path to becoming an expert therapist. I've not read this in a few years but I remember her learning a lot from her work observing horses.

Contact Dr. Henny Westra at hwestra[ at] yorku.ca

Contact Alyssa Di Bartolomeo alyssaad @] yorku.ca; Twitter/X @aadibartolomeo

  Learn more at : Jordanthecounselor.com        
Dr. Albert Cheng-Are Master’s Degrees Overrated? The Dark Secret of Teacher Quality!06 Dec 202300:59:31
A few weeks ago I ran into Dr. Albert Cheng of the University of Arkansas. We started talking, and he mentioned he was in the department of education reform. I asked him, "What's one thing about education that you know, that you wish everyone knew?" "Well," he said, "that teacher training, teacher certification, has no relationship to teacher quality. Just because someone has a master's degree doesn't mean they are a better teacher than someone with a bachelor's." I was floored. I knew this happened in the counseling field. Despite what we say, certification in various models doesn't make you a better counselor. But to see the same in education was fascinating. So I had to have him on the podcast. In this interview we talk all about the problems education and how to fix it. Enjoy!   Links mentioned 1) Primer on Teacher Quality: https://www.educationnext.org/in-schools-teacher-quality-matters-most-coleman/ 2) No-Excuses Charters: https://scholarworks.uark.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1047&context=edrepub 3) More No-Excuses Charters: https://futureofchildren.princeton.edu/sites/g/files/toruqf2411/files/resource-links/charter_schools_compiled.pdf 4) AI: https://www.educationnext.org/a-i-in-education-leap-into-new-era-machine-intelligence-carries-risks-challenges-promises/ 5) Albert Cheng himself: https://edre.uark.edu/people/faculty/uid/axc070/name/Albert+A.+Cheng/
Supervision is Broken. Here’s How to Fix it.17 Nov 202200:09:26

Find this blog post and get the free Check List here: jordanthecounselor.com/post/supervision

 
How to Make 100k as a Counselor (no side hustles needed)04 Nov 202200:07:54

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Wesley Little and the Marketing Magic of Niches24 Oct 202200:44:19

Check out more of blog or find this blog post here: https://www.jordanthecounselor.com/blog

Earn CE's by listening to my podcast. Find out more here: Check out more of blog or find this blog post here: https://www.jordanthecounselor.com/polyvagalseries

Suicidality and Poverty: The three things you need to know!05 Sep 202200:30:12

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How to advance in your career: A Case Study18 Aug 202200:46:43

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Follow this post here : https://www.jordanthecounselor.com/post/career-advice-counselors

 

Clinical Implications for Suicide Assessment02 Aug 202200:27:39

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REBOARDCAST - Deb Dana10 Jun 202201:08:39
The Polyvagal Series: 9. Clinical Implications for Stress and Your Body (a CE eligible podcast)13 May 202200:49:48

Since you're here you might as well earn CEs. Find out how to earn CEs for this course here.

Find us on iTunes here.  

Find us on YouTube here.

 

The Polyvagal Series: 8. Stress and Your Immune System (a CE eligible podcast)29 Apr 202200:57:45

Since you're here you might as well earn CEs. Find out how to earn CEs for this course here.

Read about Polyvagal Theory and Cytokine's role in inflammation here

Read my blogpost about polyvagal theory and the paradox is presents

REBROADCAST Julia Conroy on using Polyvagal Theory in Research and Practice15 Apr 202200:55:12

Listen on YouTube

Listen on iTunes 

Contact me at InformedSimplicity@gmail.com

or on Twitter @jordanharrisphd

P.S. If you enjoyed this episode check out my interview with Deb Dana. She's the clinician taking Polyvagal Theory to the masses. 

Audio Blog - The Hidden Hierarchy20 Jul 202300:04:18

Check out more of blog or find this blog post here: https://www.jordanthecounselor.com/blog

Earn CE's by listening to my podcast. Find out more here: Check out more of blog or find this blog post here: https://www.jordanthecounselor.com/polyvagalseries

The Polyvagal Series: 7. Stress and Reproduction (a CE eligible podcast)01 Apr 202201:00:04

Since you're here you might as well earn CEs. Find out how to earn CEs for this course here.

Find out about the ACE study and sexual assault here

Find out the book Come as You Are here.

 

PS. If you're interested in learning more about sex and sex therapy check out my episode with Linda Weiner. She's an expert on making sexual touch safe. 

The Polyvagal Series: 6. Stress and Attachment (a CE eligible podcast)18 Mar 202200:58:03

Since you're here you might as well earn CEs. Find out how to earn CEs for this course here.

Find out about Bruce Perry's Neurodevelopmental model here.

 

The Polyvagal Series: 5.Stress and Your Gastrointestinal Tract (a CE eligible podcast)04 Mar 202200:57:45

Since you're here you might as well earn CEs. Find out how to earn CEs for this course here.

You can pick up Dr. Allan Abbass' book here.

Audio Blog-For some men, endless validation feels unsafe28 Feb 202200:04:39

Check out more of blog or find this blog post here: https://www.jordanthecounselor.com/blog

Earn CE's by listening to my podcast. Find out more here: Check out more of blog or find this blog post here: https://www.jordanthecounselor.com/polyvagalseries

Audio Blog- If your client is coming back, they are getting something out of therapy.21 Feb 202200:04:30

Check out more of blog or find this blog post here: https://www.jordanthecounselor.com/blog

Earn CE's by listening to my podcast. Find out more here: Check out more of blog or find this blog post here: https://www.jordanthecounselor.com/polyvagalseries

 

The Polyvagal Series: 4. Stress and Your Metabolic System (a CE eligible podcast)18 Feb 202201:08:35

Since you're here you might as well earn CEs. Find out how to earn CEs for this course here.

Find the about Newcastle Diet here.

Pick up a copy of Bonnie Kaplan's book on  how nutrition impacts your brain here, or listen to my previous interview with her here

 

Audio Blog - ”I have to be able to do this job when I’m grieving”13 Feb 202200:03:06

Check out more of blog or find this blog post here: https://www.jordanthecounselor.com/blog

The Polyvagal Series: 3. Stress and Your Cardiovascular System (a CE eligible podcast)04 Feb 202201:05:16

Since you're here you might as well earn CEs. Find out how to earn CEs for this course here.

Watch this video to find out more about how Heartrate Variability impacts your health. 

You can pick up Dr. Leah Lagos' book here.

 

 

The Polyvagal Series: 2. Stress and Your Nervous System (a CE eligible podcast)21 Jan 202200:58:18

Since you're here you might as well earn CEs. Find out how to earn CEs for this course here.

Find the about Tend and Befriend Theory Here.

If you want an overview of Polyvagal Theory check out this video. It's short and very clear. 

PS. If you enjoyed this episode check episode one of our series here. 

 

 

The Polyvagal Series: 1. Stress Research and Polyvagal Theory (a CE eligible podcast)07 Jan 202200:58:46

Since you're here you might as well earn CEs. Find out how to earn CEs for this course here.

Find the Polyvagal Theory whitepaper here.

PS. If you enjoyed this episode check out my previous interview with Julia here

 

How to run private pay groups and earn $300 per hour (for counselors and therapists).11 Jul 202300:45:33

Allyson Clemmons is a clinical social worker, couples therapist and owner Bridgetown Clinical, a counseling practice specializing in couples therapy and divorce recovery.

In this conversation Allyson and Jordan discuss:

 

  • The time freeing benefits of group practice.
  • How to run a healthy business.
  • How to market for your group practice
  • and more..!

You can find Allyson at her clinical website ( bridgetownclinical.com ) or get coaching on building your practice at her therapists facing website ( www.allysonclemmons.com )

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Blog: jordanthecounselor.com/

Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@InformedSimplicitywithDrJordan

Bonnie Kaplan - Nutrition for Building a Better Brain04 Jun 202100:54:41

Find our more about Bonnie here:

Find out more about The Better Brain here:

Contact me at Jordanthecounselor.com

PS. If you enjoyed this episode check out my previous interview with Bonnie here

Winn a copy of the book! Contest details. 

1) Go to iTunes.

2) Leave a review.

3) Take a picture of the review.

4) Send me an email at InformedSimplicity@gmail.com with the picture and your address. 

5) I'll pick a random winner by 6/11/2021 who will then be mailed a copy of the book. 

 

 

Shari Geller and the Importance of Presence04 Apr 202100:49:03

Find out more about Shari here:

Contact me at Jordanthecounselor.com

PS. If you enjoyed this episode check out this interview with Linda Weiner. She talks about the power of presence in sex therapy

The Root of Resistance26 Mar 202100:05:46

 

Contact me at InformedSimplicity@gmail.com

Listen on YouTube

P.S. If you enjoyed this check out my interview with Deb Dana. She's the therapist popularizing Polyvagal Theory.

Jesse Owen on Developing a Multicultural orienation.05 Mar 202101:05:57

Follow Jesse here: https://www.multiculturalorientation.com/

Check out his book here: https://www.apa.org/pubs/books/4317453

Learn more about his friend Scott Miller here:   https://www.scottdmiller.com/

Listen on YouTube

Listen on iTunes 

Contact me at InformedSimplicity@gmail.com

or on Twitter @jordanharrisphd

P.S. If you enjoyed this episode check out my interview with Tony Rousimanerrie. He also talks about the micromoves of therapy. 

Simon Goldberg on Using Tech to Offer Therapy at Scale05 Feb 202100:54:36

https://hminnovations.org/meditation-app

Follow Simon here: https://centerhealthyminds.org/about/people/simon-goldberg

Check out the App here: https://hminnovations.org/meditation-app

Listen on YouTube

Listen on iTunes 

Contact me at InformedSimplicity@gmail.com

or on Twitter @jordanharrisphd

P.S. If you enjoyed this episode check out my interview with Tony Rousimanerrie. She's the clinician taking Polyvagal Theory to the masses. 

Tony Rousmaniere on Deliberate Practice and Getting Better as a Therapist30 Oct 202001:06:42

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Listen on iTunes : https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-informed-simplicity-project/id1427537186

Learn more about Deliberate Practice here : https://www.dpfortherapists.com/tonyrousmaniere

Contact me at InformedSimplicity@gmail.com

P.S. If you enjoyed this episode check out my lecture on how to become a master therapist. 

EP 45: Linda Weiner on Sensate Focus in Sex Therapy09 Oct 202000:58:59

Get the book here.

Find Linda Weiner here

Contact me at InformedSimplicity@gmail.com

Listen on YouTube

P.S. If you enjoyed this check out my interview with Peggy Kleinplatz She's another amazing sex therapist.

EP 44: Eri Vlass: a few thoughts on the secret to her success16 Sep 202000:05:27

It's only when we feel free to give up hypervigilance that we can give someone our full attention. That requires us to feel safe.

Contact me at InformedSimplicity@gmail.com

Listen on YouTube

P.S. If you enjoyed this check out my interview with Deb Dana. She's the therapist popularizing Polyvagal Theory.

EP 43: Erigoni Vlass The Supershrink28 Aug 202000:53:36

"I think it's the listening. You listen you here. You do not actually let one detail go. You're completely there. And this is why as therapist we need to be accountable. We need... to look after our own physical and mental health. We need to be alert  all the time. We can not actually bring outside issues into our work. We have to be there 150 percent."

-Eri Vlass

Listen on YouTube

Contact me at InformedSimplicity@gmail.com

P.S. If you enjoyed this episode check out my interview with Deb Dana

EP 42: Peggy Kleinplatz on Peak Sexual Experiences30 Jul 202000:51:15

"Sex is always contextual. It's about about the relationship. It's always about the hopes, and dreams, and fears of each of the people involved in those sexual relations. It's always complex and that's where the media gets it wrong. ...it's never what it seems to be."

Peggy Kleinplatz.  

 

 

Listen on YouTube

 

Learn more about Peggy and get trained here optimalsexualexperiences.com

 

Contact me at InformedSimplicity@gmail.com

 

P.S. If you enjoyed this mini-episode check out this episode where I talk about John Gottman and his take on sexual issues in therapy.

Unyte, Polyvagal Theory, and the Pyramid of Learning (With Kelly Beins and Leah Dawang)10 Mar 202301:02:48

{Note: this podcast and show notes were originally part of an online CE course. That course is no longer available.}

Dr. Jordan Harris interviews Kelly Beins and Leah Dawang about their experiences using polyvagal theory in their practices and working with Unyte.

After this training you will be able to meet the following objectives. 

  1. Describe a polyvagal perspective of the autonomic nervous system. 
  2. Explain the concept of state "blends".
  3. Explain the sequential "pyramid of learning" and how it applies to our central nervous system.

More on Jordan Harris, Ph.D, LMFT-s, LPC-s 

Jordan Harris, holds a Ph.D in Marriage and Family Therapy, works as a subject matter expert for Deliberate Practice in Psychotherapy and maintains a private practice where he sees couples and individuals. 

He's also the co-host ofThe Polyvagal Series, a podcast and online course which explores all the ways stress impacts our physical and mental health from a polyvagal lens. 

More on Unyte

For a professional interested in learning more about Unyte and integrating Dr. Porges' Safe and Sound Protocol into their practice, please visit: https://integratedlistening.com/ 

More on Kelly Beins, BA, BHScOT, OTR/L

Kelly Beins is a seasoned Occupational Therapist with over 28 years of experience, including 18 years with certification in sensory integration. Kelly believes in evidence-informed interventions and is passionate about combining sensory integration and mental health practices. 

Kelly has recently joined Unyte as a strategic clinical consultant where she supports development of clinical use guidelines, provider engagement, and product development. Outside of her role at Unyte, Kelly is growing a global mentorship program to make best-practices more accessible for other sensory OT’s in private practice. 

Kelly specializes in Polyvagal Theory, she is an international speaker, has published two children’s books and was named, Autism Parenting Magazine’s “Top OT” for two consecutive years.

While almost an empty nester, Kelly is a sensory parent herself, which has led to many insightful and unexpected learnings along her professional and personal path. 

More on Leah  Dawang, MSP, Somatic Experiencing® Student — Advanced 

Leah Dawang first joined Unyte as a Program Consultant sharing her passion for the Safe and Sound Protocol with professionals. Today, she serves as Unyte’s Strategic Partnerships Manager, envisioning all members of the helping and healing communities linking arms in Love and transforming the world. 

Leah’s initial career in tech start-ups and event management took a sharp turn when her entire being suffered from the effects of trauma. After traveling the world, attending G42 Leadership Academy and plenty of therapy, Leah rediscovered her love for Love and founded Clear The Way, a coaching practice devoted to guiding others in clearing the effects of trauma that block them from receiving unconditional Love.

She is an SSP provider in the final stages of becoming a Somatic Experiencing practitioner and is passionate about all things that lead to Love including the nervous system, spoken word and important, hard and beautiful conversations.  

EP 41: Jennifer Allen on a Client's Perspective06 Jul 202001:13:20

"Thank you for what you do...The fact that you listen is a huge deal."

Jennifer Allen.  

 

Contact me at InformedSimplicity@gmail.com

Listen on YouTube

P.S. If you enjoyed this check out this interview with Katheryn Sneed. She also talks about her experience as a client.

EP 40: How to Know if Your Clients Feel Safe23 May 202000:10:06

As therapists we have to always be mindful of how safe our clients feel in our presence. This is not always easy to determine. But now we know. There are innate cues and Polyvagal Theory tells us what they are.  

Contact me at InformedSimplicity@gmail.com

Listen on YouTube

P.S. If you enjoyed this check out my interview with Deb Dana. She's the therapist popularizing Polyvagal Theory.

EP 39: Jordan Harris "How I Became a Therapist"29 Apr 202001:16:38

 "Connection is always, always, always a long term solution...Empathy and connection techniques are just the more powerful techniques."

Contact me here: informedsimplicity@gmail.com

Watch here on YouTube

P.S. If you enjoyed this, make sure to check out this episode on How to Become a Supershrink. The two are thematically linked. 

 

EP 38: Ryan Rana the Trana' on Mastering Your Craft31 Mar 202000:41:27

 "A lot of learning comes through failure. That's been a good teacher for me."

Contact me here: informedsimplicity@gmail.com

Watch here on YouTube

Learn a more about Ryan Rana here. If you want more from Ryan check out his podcast on EFT here, on Leadership here, or his video chat with former ISP guest Anabelle Bugatti Here

P.S. If you enjoyed this, make sure to check out this episode on How to Become a Supershrink. The two are thematically linked. 

Additional Notes and Resources for Ryan Rana

Ryanranatraining.com (Ryans personal website)

Arkansaseft.com (The branch of ICEEFT that Ryan does the most training through)

Thejoshuacenter.com (Ryan's private practice counseling center)

Two recent podcast interviews with Ryan:

Couples therapy couch – episode 116 Attuning to the Attachment Dilemma 

We heart Therapy – Attuning to the Attachment Dilemma

EP 37: Corona, Social Distancing, and the Psychology of Disgust18 Mar 202000:06:08

"One can imagine how revulsion at the physical signs of suffering, of disease, might have had a benefit in reducing contagion, but it comes at the cost of reducing our capacity for empathy and compassion, which can be very useful in building community."

-Paul Ekman "Emotions Revealed"

 

Contact me at Jocrharris@gmail.com

Listen on YouTube

P.S. If you enjoyed this check out my other short on John Gottman. He talks about sex and healthy relationships.

EP 36: Katy Wells on Curating The Art of Learning.27 Feb 202001:01:28

 Not only is it okay to make mistakes or to fail at something, but it's good in a way. If your not, if your not making mistakes and you're not failing your not growing."

Contact me here: Jocrharris@gmail.com

Watch here on YouTube

 Learn a more about Josh here Check out Josh's book here

Also, check out https://theartoflearningproject.org/

P.S. If you enjoyed this, make sure to check out this episode on How to Become a Supershrink. The two are thematically linked. 

EP 35: Gottman on Affairs and Sex - A Review of What Makes Love Last30 Jan 202000:07:42

My research findings were not unique. The late sex therapist Bernie Zilbergeld studied 100 couples...to [his] surprise, his overwhelming finding was the unimportance of technique. What [mattered?] The sexually active partners had a closer friendship and were committed to making sex a priority.  

-John Gottman "What Makes Love Last"

 

Contact me at Jocrharris@gmail.com

Check out more about Gottman's Affair Recovery Model here

Watch on YouTube here

P.S. If you enjoyed this check out my other review on what DOES make therapist better here.

EP 34: A Critique of Esther Perel and other Charismatic Speakers - an ISP short22 Jan 202000:06:30

 The Charismatic {Speakers}: This is the kind of person who spends all their time talking. Lecturing. Weaving shimmering webs of ideas into the air. They’re often quite eloquent and charismatic; listening to them can be great fun. Which is precisely the problem — because in the end, passively listening to someone talk is a really inefficient way to learn. We learn by doing, exploring, discovering for ourselves. By asking questions, interacting, engaging with ideas. (Another reason why Socratic method works so well.)

-Dan Coyle "A Field Guide to Avoiding Toxic Teachers/Coaches"

 

Contact me at Jocrharris@gmail.com

Check out what actually makes teachers good here. 

Watch Perel's lecture HERE

P.S. If you enjoyed this check out my other review on what DOES make therapist better here.

EP 33: Meet You in McGinnis Meadow - an ISP short14 Jan 202000:07:06

"Attunement and responsiveness are hot topics, and the subject of a fair bit of research, in psychotherapy. The former refers to a therapist’s ability to pick up on the nuances of interactions with clients...The latter concept, responsiveness, refers to doing the right thing at the right time, adjusting interventions on the fly to fit the unique and evolving circumstances of the client and therapeutic interactions"

-Scott Miller and Brooke Mathewes

Contact me at Jocrharris@gmail.com

Read the article Meet You in McGinnis Meadow HERE

Watch Monte Roberts HERE

Check out what Micheal Yapko learned from Elephant trainers HERE

P.S. If you enjoyed this check out my interview with Scott Miller.

EP 32: Mark Andreas on Taming Troubled Teens08 Jan 202001:16:17

Don't get into a power battle, but if you do get into a power battle get back out of it. What I realized is there's not a rule that says once you're in one you have to stay in it. A lot of people feel like once they start down that path they have to stick it out to the bitter end... and it turns out that's just not true.

Contact me here: Jocrharris@gmail.com

Watch on YouTube here: https://youtu.be/mI0cZlqQs-A

Find Mark online here: https://markandreas.com/

Purchase his book here

Sign up for Metaphors of Movement here.

P.S. If you enjoyed this episode, check out my conversation with Connirae Andreas. She's one of the pioneers in the field of NLP. 

”Am I a good counselor?” 3 Metrics for Assessing your effectiveness.26 Jan 202300:13:16

Find this blog post here: jordanthecounselor.com/post/imposter-syndrome

 

EP 31: Bil Lepp - a master class in storytelling21 Dec 201900:50:40

 

 

"The most important thing of any storytelling is you can't be the hero of your own stories. Nobody wants me to stand on stage for 30 minutes and talk about what a great person I am. So if anything heroic happens in my stories, generally I'm telling about someone else doing it or I'm watching someone else do the heroic act."

Contact me here: Jocrharris@gmail.com

 View on YouTube

Find Bil online here:https://www.leppstorytelling.com/

Check out his YouTube page here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cOv2zJwKA0

P.S. If you enjoyed this episode, check out my conversation with Jeff Zeig. He talks about the connection between the arts and therapy

BONUS: So you want to be a Supershrink?: the search for informed simplicity19 Nov 201900:40:06

About a month ago a friend and fellow therapist asked me to give a presentation to his chapter of GAMFT. At first I didn't know what to present on, then it dawned on me. Since day 1 I've been trying to follow in the footsteps of Milton Erickson. While my journey has been roundabout to say the least, what it's left me with is one question "how do you become a better therapist?" As I collected my thoughts I realized I had answered that question. I entitled the presentation So you want to be a Supershrink?: the search for informed simplicity. Suprsingly the answers to becoming better had nothing to do with what model you use or what theory you expose. So how do you do it? Listen and find out. 

If you have any questions, or like this presentation brought to you, free to reach out: Jocrharris@gmail.com 

 Listen here on YouTube

EP 29: Jesse Smith and Attachment Based Family Therapy for Suicidal Teens28 Oct 201901:13:25

 

"For me humility is super important. Humility, I think a lot of people think, means humbling yourself and bringing yourself down, But it's also about bringing yourself up. it's about right sizing where you fit." 

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Contact Jesse at: jas945@drexel.edu

Learn about the ABFT here

P.S. If you enjoyed this episode, check out my conversation with Debbie Pridemore. She's another attachment clinician. 

EP 28: Jeff Zeig and the Art of Therapeutic Communication07 Oct 201901:00:22

 

"It's a matter of utilizing, not analyzing, what the client is bringing to you, what exists in the total weave of the therapy situation, learning how to join into that moment rather than trying to instruct in some cognitive about how to get out of that situation."

 

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Learn More about Jeff here.

Learn about the Milton Erickson Foundation here

P.S. If you enjoyed this episode, check out my conversation with Connirae Andreas. She also studied with Milton Erickson. 

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