In this lively discussion, HR Misfits Ami Graves, Marci Coppola, and LaToya Davis share candid stories and insights about the challenges of managing and developing effective leaders. We have seen some things. And today we're pulling back the curtain on one of the most common and most costly mistakes organizations make: taking your best individual contributor and handing them a team without a map, a plan, or a clue.

We're talking about the real cost of poor leadership development, what HR can actually do about it, and why "they were great at their job" is not a leadership strategy. This one gets real. Let's get into it. 

In this engaging episode, the HR Misfits and a special guest explore the credibility crisis in HR, the controversial idea of licensing the profession, and the innovative HR Accountability Project aimed at elevating standards and trust in HR.

“Finding your way doesn’t require having it all figured out.”

In this episode, I sit down with Brittany Whitenack, founder and owner of Antique Candle Co., to explore how her relationship with work grew from early lessons in grit to leading a team of 40 making thousands of candles a day. Brittany reflects on her first jobs, her time at Purdue, and the intense season of managing 70 employees at age 22. She shares the burnout that led her to walk away with no plan, the months she spent reconnecting with creativity, and how a simple candle-making hobby slowly turned into a real business.

We talk about the unglamorous parts of entrepreneurship, including signing her first lease, hiring help for the first time, and holding the weight of responsibility during moments like the 2020 shutdown. Brittany also gives a look into the craft behind her candles, from testing to naming, and why building a caring workplace matters to her as much as the products themselves.

Timestamps:
(00:00) Intro

(02:01) Growing up with grit and hard work

(05:14) Finding her path in college and early jobs

(07:58) Learning hard lessons in retail leadership

(10:58) Walking away and starting over

(13:32) A simple hobby that sparked something new

(15:19) The first steps toward Antique Candle Co

(20:22) Carrying the weight of leading others

(24:29) Trust, courage, and leading through hard moments

(26:23) Inside the craft of candle making

(31:51) Navigating the pace of the holiday rush

(33:29) The honest reality behind entrepreneurship

(35:07) Looking ahead at what comes next

Connect with my guest:

Brittany Whitenack on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brittanytruax/ 

Check out Antique Candle Co.: https://antiquecandleco.com/ 

Connect with me:

Ami Graves on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amigraves/
The People of Work on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thepeopleofwork/ 

Explore The People of Work: https://www.thepeopleofwork.com/

“Explore your curiosity, because that’s where you’re going to find you.”

In this episode, I sit down with Sara Whitley, licensed clinical social worker and owner of Complete Peace, to explore her journey from growing up in a hardworking family in Indiana to building a thriving private therapy practice in North Carolina. From her first job at KFC to navigating cross-country moves and career pivots, Sara’s story is one of resilience, curiosity, and faith in action.

We talk about her decision to leave behind the safety of a government role to start her own practice, how she’s built a mission-driven business rooted in compassion, and the challenges of balancing care for others with caring for herself. Sara also shares how her husband Jason’s recent health crisis reshaped her perspective on strength, priorities, and what it truly means to find peace in chaos.

Timestamps:
(00:00) Intro

(01:42) Early influences and work ethic

(03:21) Educational journey and early career

(07:49) Adventures and career shifts

(20:51) Building a career in social work

(21:06) Starting a private practice

(26:26) Navigating stress and mental health

(26:53) Challenges in the mental health industry

(31:41) Personal reflections on family dynamics

(34:51) Her husband Jason’s medical crisis

(49:38) Advice for aspiring social workers

Connect with my guest:

Sara Whitley, LCSW on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/s4r4whitley/ 

Check out Complete Peace: https://www.completepeace.net/ 

Connect with me:

Ami Graves on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amigraves/
The People of Work on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thepeopleofwork/ 

Explore The People of Work: https://www.thepeopleofwork.com/ 

“Strength isn’t built in the gym. It’s built when life knocks you down and you get back up anyway.”

In this episode, I sit down with Monica Derhammer, owner of Hoosier Trainer in Brownsburg, Indiana, to talk about her journey from young athlete to gym owner, and everything in between. Monica shares how her mom inspired her hustle, how early jobs taught her independence, and how an unexpected opportunity turned her passion for fitness into a business.

She opens up about the realities of entrepreneurship, the sacrifices behind success, and the challenge of rebuilding after COVID nearly shut her doors. Monica also reflects on her own battles with body image and mental health, and how those struggles shaped the way she supports her clients today.

We talk about community, resilience, and what it really means to be strong, not just physically, but emotionally and spiritually. Monica’s story is one of perseverance, purpose, and using your pain to help others find their power.

Timestamps:

(00:00) Intro

(00:59) Monica's early life and work ethic

(05:32) Becoming a trainer

(07:47) Owning a gym

(14:13) Navigating COVID challenges

(20:53) Inspiring success stories

(23:32) Realness and accountability as a trainer

(25:42) Struggles and triumphs with body image

(27:44) Importance of certifications and education

(29:43) The role of nutrition in fitness

(39:10) Quick hits and real talk

Connect with my guest:

Check out Hoosier Trainer: https://www.hoosiertrainernow.com/ 

Connect with me:

Ami Graves on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amigraves/
The People of Work on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thepeopleofwork/ 

Explore The People of Work: https://www.thepeopleofwork.com/ 

“Every pastor must preach, but every preacher is not a pastor.”

In this episode, I sit down with Rashad Cunningham, Community & Formation Pastor at Church@Main in Brownsburg, Indiana, to explore his journey from hip-hop producer to pastor. Rashad opens up about growing up in Indianapolis, navigating identity as one of the only Black students in Brownsburg, and how those early experiences shaped his faith and calling to build bridges in his community. He reflects on his time in the Navy, his years making music, and the pivotal church event that changed his life and set him on a path toward ministry.

We also talk about the difference between preaching and pastoring, what it means to truly shepherd people, and how his creative roots continue to influence his work today. Rashad shares the inspiration behind his book Spaces, his perspective on redemption, and how faith, family, and storytelling remain at the center of everything he does.

Timestamps:

(00:00) Intro

(01:41) Rashad’s early life and influences

(03:43) Navigating identity and challenges

(08:52) Journey to the Navy and beyond

(11:29) Discovering a passion for music

(15:41) Transition to pastoring

(23:24) Reflecting on Brownsburg’s transformation

(26:45) Balancing ministry and personal life

(27:36) Dealing with past mistakes

(35:04) Writing and publishing a book

(40:10) Becoming a grandparent

Connect with my guest:

Rashad Cunningham on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rashadcunningham/ 

Explore Church@Main: https://www.churchatmain.org/ 

Check out S.P.A.C.E.S.: Permission-Based Discipleship Journey: https://a.co/d/8NzrsxJ 

Connect with me:

Ami Graves on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amigraves/
The People of Work on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thepeopleofwork/ 

Explore The People of Work: https://www.thepeopleofwork.com/ 

“Be confident in your voice and don’t sell yourself short.”

In this episode, I sit down with Kylie Bright-Schuler, civil engineer and project manager at American Structurepoint, to explore her journey into engineering and the lessons she’s learned along the way.

Kylie shares how her family’s influence and early mission trips sparked an initial interest in environmental engineering, and how her path eventually led her to civil site design and project management. We talk about her early challenges navigating a male-dominated field, the role mentorship has played in building her confidence, and why having leaders who make space for your voice can change everything.

She also opens up about her podcast, Cheers with Engineers, which highlights the diverse paths within the profession. Kylie reflects on the importance of mentorship networks like IndyCREW, the value of her environmental science background, and her ongoing pursuit of her professional engineering license.

Timestamps:

(00:00) Intro

(03:09) A grandfather’s push toward engineering

(05:50) Pivoting from environmental to civil engineering

(08:47) Lessons from a first consulting role

(12:21) Stepping into project management

(17:01) Navigating a male-dominated field

(18:02) Mentors who make space for women

(20:10) Launching Cheers with Engineers

(25:07) Misconceptions about engineers

(26:46) The value of soft skills

(30:53) To never selling yourself short

(35:00) The power of mentorship

Connect with my guest:

Kylie Bright-Schuler on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kylie-bright-schuler-ei-560171128/ 

Explore American Structurepoint: https://www.structurepoint.com/ 

Check out Cheers with Engineers: https://open.spotify.com/show/0cjJVioTBVVstVoRgtpa8y?si=033317ef9ab340b3 

https://podcasts.apple.com/tw/podcast/cheers-with-engineers/id1712169234?l=en-GB 

Connect with me:

Ami Graves on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amigraves/
The People of Work on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thepeopleofwork/ 

Explore The People of Work: https://www.thepeopleofwork.com/ 

“You don’t have to climb the corporate ladder to build a meaningful career.”

In this episode, I sit down with Abby Thompson, founder of Bloom Marketing, to explore her journey from growing up with two hardworking parents to carving her own path across corporate, higher education, and entrepreneurship. We talk about her decade at Rolls Royce, the lessons she learned through international travel and leadership roles, and how an unexpected layoff during COVID opened the door to new opportunities.

Abby also shares what it was like to build a student-run marketing agency at Butler University, the support system that carried her through a difficult career transition, and the bravery it takes to launch your own consulting business. From making Blizzards at Dairy Queen to building marketing foundations for clients, her story is one of resilience, reinvention, and the power of connection.

This conversation is full of practical wisdom on navigating career pivots, leaning on your network, and building a work life that truly fits the season you’re in.

Timestamps:

(00:00) Intro

(00:59) Zigzagging influences and interests growing up

(06:49) Gaining experience at Rolls Royce

(11:39) Work in rebranding Butler University

(14:26) How supportive networks help face career uncertainty

(17:19) Finding new opportunities through connections

(20:33) Launching Bloom Marketing

(22:35) Balancing work and family

(23:24) Exciting projects at Bloom Marketing

(26:07) Put yourself out there to create opportunities

Connect with my guest:

Abby Thompson on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/abbythompson2/ 

Connect with me:

Ami Graves on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amigraves/
The People of Work on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thepeopleofwork/ 

Explore The People of Work: https://www.thepeopleofwork.com/ 

“Your career is a jungle gym, not a ladder.”

In this episode, I sit down with Hollin Hart, brand marketing leader at Cummins Inc., to uncover the experiences, values, and resilience that have shaped her path in work and life.

We talk about Hollin’s early beginnings in South Bend, from babysitting and working at the Notre Dame bookstore to discovering her love for marketing through conversations, sports, and community connections. She reflects on her early ambitions of becoming a sports lawyer, her pivot into sales, and how those experiences prepared her for a successful career in marketing and communications.

Hollin shares what it means to translate complex ideas into clarity, the role of service and community in her professional journey, and how her faith and energy guide the way she shows up at work. We also discuss her perspective on balancing motherhood with a demanding career, why agility and partnership are critical, and how she’s turned imposter syndrome into a personal superpower.

Timestamps:
(00:00) Intro

(01:33) Hollin’s first work experiences

(03:54) Finding marketing in Ball State

(06:56) Roots in volunteer work and community involvement

(08:38) Starting a career in sales

(12:49) Journey to Cummins

(15:46) Three ways to balance career and motherhood

(20:02) Turning imposter syndrome into strength

(23:09) Marketing is about how people feel

(25:14) On creating a networking organization

(26:30) Lessons from a tug of war with work and life

(31:47) Professional growth is personal growth

(34:18) Leverage being new and thank your network 

Connect with my guest:

Hollin Hart on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hollinhartmba/ 

Explore Cummins Inc.: https://www.cummins.com/ 

Connect with me:

Ami Graves on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amigraves/
The People of Work on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thepeopleofwork/ 

Explore The People of Work: https://www.thepeopleofwork.com/ 

“You need to start a business so you can leave your job.”

In this episode, I sit down with Andrew Adeniyi, founder of AAA Solutions, and author of The Circle of Leadership, to explore his journey from growing up in an entrepreneurial home to building a consulting business focused on leadership, culture, and belonging. We talk about the impact of early internships, the lessons he carried from retail leadership at Aldi and Starbucks, and how a life-changing moment gave him the clarity to take the leap into full-time entrepreneurship.

Andrew also shares what it’s like to co-author a book with his 7-year-old son, how he’s using theater to spark courageous workplace conversations, and the not-so-sexy side of running your own business. This conversation is full of real talk about purpose, peace, and building a life that reflects who you are.

Timestamps:

(00:00) Intro

(00:58) Early work experience

(03:46) College and internships

(09:41) First corporate job at Aldi

(14:06) Kroger and Starbucks

(21:30) Writing “The Circle of Leadership”

(22:01) Transitioning from corporate to entrepreneurship

(25:02) Launching AAA Solutions and balancing DEI and workplace culture

(27:52) Mentors and guidance in professional life

(29:11) New book and new ventures

(33:36) Advice for aspiring entrepreneurs

(36:01) Defining freedom and self-care

Connect with my guest:

Andrew Adeniyi on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewadeniyi/ 

Explore AAA Solutions: https://www.aaasolutions.us/ 

Check out The Circle of Leadership: https://www.amazon.com/Circle-Leadership-Framework-Creating-Leveraging/dp/1641379081 

Connect with me:

Ami Graves on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amigraves/
The People of Work on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thepeopleofwork/ 

Explore The People of Work: https://www.thepeopleofwork.com/ 

"Dive into it, go with the flow, make a splash. What’s the harm in going for a swim?”

In this episode, I chat with Sabrina Rose, a professional mermaid at Aquarium Restaurant, as she shares her unique journey from aspiring marine biologist to living her dream as a mermaid performer. Sabrina opens up about her childhood near the water in Michigan, how a chance encounter with Keith Urban set her on a new and unexpected path, and her big shift from music and audio engineering to mermaiding.

We discuss the importance of letting go of rigid career expectations, how Sabrina found purpose in the water, and why she believes your job should never define you. Sabrina also reflects on her experiences with building a business, finding community, and staying true to her passion, no matter how unconventional it may seem. 

Timestamps:

(00:00) Intro

(01:40) Sabrina's creative upbringing

(03:44) Changes in the current of career

(07:58) Diverse job experiences

(08:47) Finding identity beyond career

(10:13) Becoming a professional mermaid

(18:54) Working as a mermaid

(19:47) Balancing mermaiding with life

(21:43) Memorable moments and interactions

(26:41) Splashing advice for aspiring mermaids

Connect with my guest:

Sabrina’s 1st email: partyyourworld@gmail.com 

Sabrina’s 2nd email: mermaidsabrinarose@gmail.com
Sabrina’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mermaidsabrinarose/ 

Explore Aquarium Restaurant: https://www.aquariumrestaurants.com/ 

Connect with me:

Ami Graves on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amigraves/
The People of Work on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thepeopleofwork/ 

Explore The People of Work: https://www.thepeopleofwork.com/ 

"You have to leverage your network and build strong relationships."

In this episode, I sit down with LaToya Davis, Executive HR Business Partner at Kimberly-Clark, to explore her transformative journey from a small town in Indiana to becoming a trailblazer in corporate HR. 

LaToya shares how her upbringing, shaped by her hardworking single mother and a close-knit family, set the foundation for her drive and success. We discuss the pivotal moments that guided her career, including her unexpected path to Purdue, her time at Johnson & Johnson, and her recent transition to Kimberly-Clark. She also opens up about her experiences with career pivots, the importance of self-reflection, and how she’s learned to embrace change and give herself grace throughout her journey.

Timestamps:

(00:00) Intro

(01:30) Early life and family values

(03:46) Breaking barriers in the workforce

(07:33) Educational journey and college decisions

(11:08) First jobs and early career

(17:52) Transition to corporate HR

(25:28) Career advice and life changes

(26:23) Pursuing an MBA at Purdue

(27:50) Internship at Johnson & Johnson

(33:53) Career transitions and family life

(36:46) Moving to Dallas and joining Kimberly-Clark

(44:48) Work for the next generation

Connect with my guest:

LaToya Davis on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/latoyandavis/ 

Explore Kimberly-Clark: https://www.kimberly-clark.com/en-us/ 

Connect with me:

Ami Graves on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amigraves/
The People of Work on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thepeopleofwork/ 

Explore The People of Work: https://www.thepeopleofwork.com/ 

Three HR leaders. Three takes on AI. Zero agreement at the start.

In this episode of The HR Misfits, Ami, LaToya, and Marci go all in on the conversation every HR team is having right now - but probably not like this. LaToya's ready to embrace it, Marci's side-eyeing it, and Ami's somewhere in the middle trying not to pick a fight. What starts as a debate, lands somewhere way more honest: AI isn't the enemy, but it's not the savior either. And the human stuff? That part's not optional.

“Work hard and be kind.”

In this episode, I sit down with Mike Cunningham, president and CEO of Cunningham Restaurant Group, to explore the personal values and humble beginnings behind a thriving restaurant empire.

We discuss how Mike grew up as the youngest of nine in a working-class family and shaped his approach to business and leadership. From bussing tables at age eight to opening his first yogurt shop, Mike’s story is one of persistence, creativity, and community commitment. He reflects on his early interest in architecture, the lessons he learned from building his first restaurant Boulder Creek, and why every CRG concept is designed to make people feel like they’re on vacation.

Timestamps:
(00:00) Intro

(01:52) Mike's early aspirations and career beginnings

(07:27) Transition to management and move to Indianapolis

(11:15) From frozen yogurt to restaurants

(15:15) The birth of Boulder Creek and CRG's expansion

(22:49) Menu development and culinary team

(24:41) Dining out and restaurant culture

(33:47) Work hard, be kind

Connect with my guest:

Mike Cunningham on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mike-cunningham-6a73a26a/ 

Explore Cunningham Restaurant Group (CRG): https://www.crgdining.com/ 

Connect with me:

Ami Graves on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amigraves/
The People of Work on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thepeopleofwork/ 

Explore The People of Work: https://www.thepeopleofwork.com/ 

"Don't let anyone pigeonhole you into one path."
In this episode, I sit down with Rafael Sanchez, Executive Vice President and Chief Impact Officer at Old National Bank. Rafael takes us through his unconventional journey from Puerto Rico to law school and eventually corporate leadership. 

We discuss the role of mentorship, community engagement, and how career reinvention can drive societal change. Rafael also talks about launching Indiana’s first minority depository institution, aimed at bridging the wealth gap and empowering underserved communities. He shares his perspective on leadership, imposter syndrome, and the importance of asking for what you want, regardless of the odds.

Timestamps:
(00:00) Introduction
(01:55) Rafael’s early life and influences
(03:46) Journey to law school
(04:57) Career in law and transition
(12:13) Community involvement and networking
(19:26) The role of a CEO
(20:14) Becoming the Chief Impact Officer
(21:07) Launching Generations Community Bank
(22:08) Challenges and goals of the new bank
(25:19) Paving your own path

Connect with my guest:
Rafael Sanchez on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rafaelsanchezindy/ 
Explore Old National Bank: https://www.oldnational.com/ 

Connect with me:
Ami Graves on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amigraves/ 
The People of Work on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thepeopleofwork/ 
Explore The People of Work: https://www.thepeopleofwork.com/ 

Curious about what it's really like to do someone else's job?

I'm Ami Graves, and in The People of Work, I sit down with people from all walks of life - nurses, entrepreneurs, artists, teachers, and more - to share the real stories behind their careers. We talk about the highs, the lows, and everything in between.

This podcast is about the human side of work: finding purpose, navigating chaos, and building a career that matters. If you’re feeling stuck or just love authentic stories, The People of Work is for you. Tune in, one story at a time.

The pandemic didn’t just change where we work, it exposed everything broken about how we work.

In this episode of HR Misfits, we dig into the reality of remote and hybrid work beyond the headlines, policies, and performative debates.

Because here’s the truth:
Not everyone works best the same way. And trying to force a single model? That’s where companies are getting it wrong.

We talk about:
Why the “return to office vs. remote” debate is missing the point
How different roles, personalities, and life realities shape how people perform best
The gap between leadership expectations and employee experience
Why flexibility still isn’t being applied fairly
What actually drives productivity (hint: it’s not location)

This isn’t about picking sides.
It’s about rethinking work entirely.

If you’re a leader still trying to figure out what actually works or an employee feeling stuck in a model that doesn’t - this conversation is for you.

Timestamps

00:00 Intro – Building a High-Performing Agency
00:48 The Secret Behind 80%+ Staff Retention
02:30 Why Culture Must Start From Day One
03:30 Becoming an Employee-Owned Company
04:30 Why Most Company Values Are Useless
06:00 The 3 Values That Actually Work
08:30 Turning Values Into Real Behaviors
11:30 Performance Improvement Without Fear
13:00 How Junior Employees Bring Big Clients
14:30 Making Everyone Think Like an Owner
15:50 What Actually Changed After Employee Ownership
17:00 Employees Sitting in Board Meetings
19:30 Breaking the “Us vs Them” Culture
21:00 Salary, Bonuses & Fairness Explained
23:10 Preventing Employee Frustration Early
24:00 Why Team Trips Boost Performance
27:30 The “Olympics” Idea: Fitness + Charity + Fun
30:10 The Future Vision of the Company
32:30 Final Thoughts – Culture Drives Everything

What if some of HR’s most “trusted” tools are actually holding your business back?

In this episode of HR Misfits, we take on two of the most sacred (and untouchable) frameworks in HR: the 9-box and the annual performance review… and make the case for why it might be time to let them go.

These tools were designed to bring structure, clarity, and fairness. But in reality? They often introduce bias, slow down decision-making, and create more performative process than meaningful impact.

We get into:

Why the 9-box oversimplifies people and amplifies bias

How annual reviews fail both employees and leaders

The hidden cost of “checking the box” HR practices

What high-performing organizations are doing instead

Practical ways to move beyond outdated frameworks (without creating chaos)

This isn’t about being anti-structure.
It’s about being anti-lazy structure.

If you’ve ever sat in a talent review meeting thinking, “Are we really making better decisions because of this?” - this episode is for you.

Welcome to HR, rethought.

Episode Timestamps:
00:00 – Why Managers Ignore High Performers
Managers over-focus on low performers and neglect top talent
00:45 – Podcast Intro: HR Misfits & Anti-Framework Thinking
What this show is about and today’s topic setup
02:10 – Are We Really Anti-Framework?
Challenging blind use of outdated frameworks
03:30 – The Nine-Box Framework Explained (Origin & Purpose)
History (GE, 1970) and how it works
06:00 – Problems with the Nine-Box Model
Overcomplication, forced categorization, and lack of clarity
09:00 – Bias in Talent Evaluation
How subjectivity and unconscious bias shape outcomes
12:30 – Does the Nine-Box Actually Help Employees?
Lack of actionable outcomes and employee confusion
16:00 – High Performers vs Low Performers: Misplaced Focus
Why companies lose top talent
19:00 – The “Steady Performer” Problem
Ignored middle performers and retention risks
22:00 – Evolution: From 9-Box to 4-Box Models
Attempts to simplify performance frameworks
24:30 – Annual Performance Reviews Are Broken
Infrequent feedback and employee frustration
28:00 – Forced Rankings & Compensation Issues
How ratings tie into pay and create unhealthy systems
32:00 – Gaming the System & Leadership Gaps
Managers manipulating ratings and lack of leadership skills
36:00 – Transparency Problem: Employees Don’t Understand Business Health
Why workers feel disconnected from company performance
40:00 – Corporate Communication Failures (Acronyms & Confusion)
Why “transparency” often doesn’t work
44:00 – The Need for Business Education in HR & Teams
Importance of financial and business acumen
48:00 – Real Fix: Better Leadership, Not More Frameworks
Root cause behind broken systems
52:00 – Rethinking Performance Systems (Simpler Models)
Idea of reducing ratings and moving to continuous feedback
55:30 – Anti-Framework Philosophy Explained
Questioning outdated systems, not eliminating structure
58:00 – Introducing the HR Misfits Framework
Deconstruct → Diffuse → Design approach
01:01:00 – Final Thoughts: Evolving HR & Leadership Systems
Why change is necessary and how to move forward

In this episode of HR Misfits, we dive into the world of corporate cringe - the buzzwords, clichés, and HR-speak that have somehow become normal in the workplace.

We talk about:

Why phrases like “we’re a family” can actually be problematic
The real meaning behind “let’s circle back”
How “culture fit” can quietly reinforce bias
The corporate language we all say… even when we don’t like it
What authentic leadership communication should sound like instead

If you've ever sat in a meeting thinking “did that sentence actually mean anything?” - this episode is for you.

At HR Misfits, we believe work conversations should be honest, human, and a little less scripted.

Join us each week for thought-provoking conversations that challenge the status quo and explore how we can build better, more human-centered workplaces.

Timestamps:
(00:00) Intro – HR Misfits Podcast & Corporate Cringe Topic
(01:25) Why Corporate Buzzwords Feel Annoying
(03:10) “Circle Back” and Other Overused Office Phrases
(05:20) The Problem With “Culture Fit”
(08:45) Bias Hidden Inside Hiring Decisions
(12:30) The Peacock vs Penguin Story (Diversity in Companies)
(16:20) Why Companies Say They Want “Disruptors”
(19:10) Culture Fit vs Culture Add
(22:40) Values vs Culture – What Companies Get Wrong
(26:10) Why Corporate Culture Is Often Misunderstood
(29:30) The Real Meaning of Workplace Culture
(32:00) “Let’s Take This Offline” – The Meeting Problem
(35:10) Endless Meetings and Decision Avoidance
(38:20) The Problem With “We’re a Family” at Work
(41:30) Boundaries Between Work and Personal Life
(44:10) How Workplace Language Shapes Company Culture

Connect with us:
Explore The HR Misfits: https://www.thehrmisfits.com/ 

Ami Graves on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amigraves/ 
Check out Ami’s website: www.amijograves.com

LaToya Davis on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/latoyandavis/ 

Marci Coppola on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcikerwick/ 
Check out Seshen Coaching & Wellness: https://www.seshencoaching.com/

If you’re tired of corporate jargon and HR “theater,” you’ve found the right place.

Welcome to The HR Misfits, hosted by Ami Graves, LaToya Davis (Executive HR Business Partner), and Marci Coppola (Founder & President, Seshen Coaching & Wellness).

In this episode, we discuss the SHRM lawsuit debacle that’s shaking the HR world. With candid discussions on leadership, accountability, and the realities of workplace bias, the Misfits tackle what happens when an organization’s actions don’t match their stated policies. Expect honest takes on the importance of policy enforcement, how HR must lead by example, and why accountability is key in every organization. This isn’t your average HR podcast. tTis is the place where we break down real-world scenarios with sass, depth, and a dose of humor that will make you rethink how HR is handled in the workplace.

Join us each week for thought-provoking conversations that challenge the status quo and explore how we can build better, more human-centered workplaces.

Timestamps:
(00:00) Intro

(01:31) HR gone wild

(02:27) SHRM lawsuit and allegations explained

(06:29) Policy vs. behavior

(12:15) Performance management and discrimination risks

(23:40) Coldplay incident

(26:43) Actions speak louder than words in HR

(27:26) Leading for the first time

(27:50) Addressing biases and inequities at work

(28:43) HR’s role in enforcing standards

(31:20) Consequences of ignoring workplace policies

(36:49) University of Michigan scandal and HR

(40:49) The importance of documentation in HR

Connect with us:

Explore The HR Misfits: https://www.thehrmisfits.com/ 

Ami Graves on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amigraves/ 

Check out Ami’s website: www.amijograves.com

LaToya Davis on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/latoyandavis/ 

Marci Coppola on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcikerwick/ 

Check out Seshen Coaching & Wellness: https://www.seshencoaching.com/

If you’re tired of making assumptions about people based on surface-level judgments, especially in the workplace, you're in the right place.

Welcome to The HR Misfits, hosted by Ami Graves, LaToya Davis (Executive HR Business Partner, Corporate Function), and Marci Coppola (Founder & President, Seshen Coaching & Wellness).

In our debut episode, we explore the Peacock hit All Her Fault through the HR lens. We discuss themes of judgment, assumptions, and biases, both in the workplace and personal life. With candid insights, the Misfits share their own experiences with leadership, juggling motherhood, and how biases impact decision-making in professional settings. This is not your typical HR podcast. This is where you expect real, raw conversations, a little sass, and stories that will make you rethink how we manage people in the workplace.

Join us every week for honest conversations that challenge the status quo and explore how we can build better workplaces, places that don't just function, but work for humans.

Timestamps:
(00:00) Intro

(00:56) First official episode: Discussing All Her Fault

(01:22) Themes of judgment and bias in HR

(02:22) Personal reactions: Workplace assumptions and bias

(05:14) Gender bias in workplace dynamics unpacked

(07:05) Navigating the balance between work and motherhood

(12:45) Self-imposed pressures: Expectations in the workplace

(17:35) Authenticity and success: Breaking the corporate mold

(21:38) Defining what you really want in life

(21:59) Judgment and support among working mothers

(22:24) Personal experience: Balancing career and family

(25:32) Work-life prioritization: A new perspective

(26:25) Corporate loyalty vs. Personal sacrifice explored

(29:20) Gender bias in performance management dissected

(34:50) Women supporting women: A key to leadership

Connect with us:

Explore The HR Misfits: https://www.thehrmisfits.com/ 

Ami Graves on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amigraves/ 

Check out Ami’s website: www.amijograves.com

LaToya Davis on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/latoyandavis/ 

Marci Coppola on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcikerwick/ 

Check out Seshen Coaching & Wellness: https://www.seshencoaching.com/

If you believe HR should be a catalyst—not corporate theater—you’re in the right place.

Welcome to The HR Misfits, hosted by Ami Graves, LaToya Davis (Executive HR Business Partner, Corporate Function), and Marci Coppola (Founder & President, Seshen Coaching & Wellness).

Born from The People of Work, The HR Misfits evolved into something bigger: a space for HR leaders who don’t fit the traditional mold. Leaders who are business-minded and human-centered. Strategic and empathetic. Bold enough to challenge outdated systems while still caring deeply about people.

In this intro episode, we share why we created The HR Misfits, the moments that showed us polished playbooks weren’t enough, and what it really means to lead from the HR seat when work gets messy, political, or uncomfortable. You’ll hear how each of us found our way into HR, why we’re pushing back on the “policy police” stereotype, and what to expect from the show—real stories, real leadership lessons, and a little sass.

Each week, we bring honest conversations from behind the scenes of leadership—where people, power, and progress collide. Alongside guest voices and featured People of Work episodes, we explore what it takes to build workplaces that actually work.

Up next: we unpack Peacock’s All Her Fault through an HR lens and share what we’re building with the HR Misfits Collective for leaders who want real counsel—not performative HR.

Timestamps:
(00:00) Intro

(00:58) Why The HR Misfits exists

(03:37) LaToya Davis and 22 years in the HR seat

(05:18) Marci Coppola from wellness to HR coaching

(08:46) What makes a true HR misfit

(15:19) How we fell into HR on purpose

(17:03) The talent acquisition entry point

(19:51) Marci’s pivot and the corporate reality check

(22:16) How HR work has changed and why it matters

(24:29) Three paths one shared point of view

(26:44) What you’ll get here real talk and real leadership

(31:45) Next up, All Her Fault through an HR lens

Connect with us:

Explore The HR Misfits: https://www.thehrmisfits.com/ 

Ami Graves on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amigraves/ 

Check out Ami’s website: www.amijograves.com

Check out Bell Techlogix: https://belltechlogix.com/

LaToya Davis on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/latoyandavis/ 

Marci Coppola on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcikerwick/ 

Check out Seshen Coaching & Wellness: https://www.seshencoaching.com/

“Honor who you are becoming, not who you’ve been.”

In this episode, I sit down with Marci Coppola, former HR leader turned transformational coach and founder of Seshen Coaching & Wellness, to explore her journey from a high-pressure corporate career to a life focused on alignment, calm, and purpose. Growing up in a hardworking family, she was influenced by hustle culture, which led her into corporate HR and talent acquisition. However, after years of chasing external success, she found herself burned out and unfulfilled.

We discuss how the pandemic helped her realize what was missing and ultimately sparked her transition into coaching. She also opens up about overcoming imposter syndrome, battling people-pleasing, and the transformative power of slowing down to reconnect with inner truth.

Timestamps:
(00:00) Intro

(01:25) Early career influences and pull toward wellness

(03:04) Transition to corporate and embracing hustle for stability

(05:29) HR journey and talent acquisition

(11:55) Shifting to coaching and realizing need for growth

(15:32) Launching session coaching and transitioning

(24:44) Energy alignment and impact of mind-body connection

(32:20) Why coaches need coaches and the power of mentorship

(37:58) Overcoming imposter syndrome and conquering doubt

(47:29) Client transformations through self-advocacy and boundaries

Connect with my guest:

Marci Coppola on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcikerwick/ 

Check out Seshen Coaching & Wellness: https://www.seshencoaching.com/

Connect with me:

Ami Graves on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amigraves/
The People of Work on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thepeopleofwork/ 

Explore The People of Work: https://www.thepeopleofwork.com/