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Ross Levine – Trump's $150 Trillion Question09 May 202500:57:34

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0:43 Ross: Trump's economic policies are the worst I've seen in my life

7:36 Glenn's new book, SELF-CENSORSHIP

12:00 Trump’s bid to become the most powerful person in the history of the world

21:17 The disruptive effects of tariffs, financial regulatory manipulation, and extraordinary debt levels

27:58 Ross: Alienating our allies is only going to strengthen China

33:41 Glenn: Those who lost out to globalization are getting their way

41:04 Will Trump heed economic warning signs?

48:10 Can Congress constrain Trump?

Recorded April 19, 2025

Links and Readings

Edward Luce’s Financial Times piece, “Trump, Truss, and the ‘Moron Premium’”

Larry Kotlikoff’s Substack

Larry Kotlikoff’s post, “30-Year TIPS Are Looking Mighty Attractive”

Glenn’s most recent conversation with Larry Kotlikoff

Michael Sandel’s book, The Tyranny of Merit: What’s Become of the Common Good?



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John McWhorter – Glenn and John Live at Brown University02 May 202501:24:22

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0:00 Intro

00:31 Prefatory remarks

4:15 Glenn: The Trump administration’s defunding of the universities is mischievous in the extreme

9:06 Ground News ad

11:01 Doesn’t maintaining the preeminence of American universities require diversity of thought?

18:47 John McWhorter has entered the building

20:25 How did higher ed lose the general public’s support?

23:05 The university’s role in public discourse

26:26 Was affirmative action a success or a failure?

31:36 The partisan balance in education funding

42:21 The costs and benefits of tenure

50:09 Can education preserve democracy if students aren’t doing the reading?

1:01:59 Are we irrevocably polarized as a nation?

1:07:28 Q&A: You don’t seem as excited by Trump as you once were. What is disappointing you?

1:11:40 Q&A: If higher ed serves society, why do so many elite grads use their degrees to get rich?

1:16:01 Q&A: How do you teach diversity to students who’ve never spent time around people different from them?

1:19:15 Q&A: What’s the difference between contrarianism and provocation?

1:21:23 Q&A: Should fewer people go to college?

Recorded April 22, 2025

Links and Readings

Michael Sandel’s book, The Tyranny of Merit: What’s Become of the Common Good?

John Stuart Mill’s book, On Liberty

John Milton’a Areopagitica

Alan Bloom’s book, The Closing of the American Mind: How Higher Education Has Failed Democracy and Impoverished the Souls of Today’s Students

John’s new book, Pronoun Trouble: The Story of Us in Seven Little Words

Glenn’s memoir, Late Admissions: Confessions of a Black Conservative

The Great Courses

Fyodor Dostoevsky’s novel, Crime and Punishment

Dostoevsky’s novel, The Brothers Karamazov

Leo Tolsty’s novel, War and Peace

Tolstoy’s novel, Anna Karenina

Plato’s dialogue, The Republic



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The Glenn Loury News Hour17 Mar 202500:58:38

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I spent part of last week visiting Stanford University, and John is off taking care of business in Australia. The time difference, travel, and speaking obligations made scheduling a recording impossible. So this week, I’ve got something a little different for you. Instead of recording a conversation on the day’s news with John, I decided to record one on my own. In this episode, I talk through some opinion pieces that grabbed my attention and give my take on the topics. I address Trump and the economy, Trump’s predictability and unpredictability, DOGE and MAGA’s slashing of the federal government, Mahmoud Khalil’s arrest, antisemitism, and attacks on Tesla cars, dealerships, and charging stations. This is a bit of an experiment—my team and I wanted to see what would happen if I gave it a shot. Let me know how it’s working for you in the comments.

These pieces are all quite relevant as of this posting, on Monday afternoon. But by Friday? Who knows. So I decided to release this episode simultaneously to both free and full subscribers. If you like getting The Glenn Show a few days early, consider becoming a full subscriber. You’ll get new episodes early, plus access to monthly Q&As with John McWhorter, bonus episodes, and other exclusive content.

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2:31 The opportunities and risks of Trump's economic plans

6:50 Is Trump as unpredictable as he seems?

16:00 DOGE and MAGA take a chainsaw to the federal government

22:30 An argument against Mahmoud Khalil's detention ...

32:49 ... and one in favor of Khalil's detention

41:38 Is it time for an official ban on antisemitism?

49:14 Teslas are burning

Recorded March 14, 2025

Links and Readings

Steve Cortes’s RCP piece, “Trump and the Economy: Opportunities and Risks”

Susan Glasser’s New Yorker piece, “Uncertainty Is Trump’s Brand. But What if He Already Told Us What He’s Going to Do?”

Tim Murtaugh’s Washington Times piece, “Why the Democrat Brand Is in the Toilet”

Jeff Mayhugh’s Hill piece, “The MAGA Revolution Is Playing with Fire”

Ross Barkan’s NYMag piece, “Mahmoud Khalil’s Arrest Will Backfire on Trump”

Josh Hammer’s Daily Signal piece, “Mahmoud Khalil and the Red-Green Assault on American Sovereignty”

Mackenzie France’s RCP piece, “Congress Should Pass Antisemitism Awareness Act”

Rich Lowry’s New York Post piece, “Tesla Terrorism Only Reveals the Left’s Impotence”



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Rajiv Sethi – Self-Censorship on Campus09 Feb 202401:04:13

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0:00 The conversations that aren’t happening on college campuses

4:16 Staying informed about Israel-Palestine

9:22 Glenn: Don’t subject me to a loyalty test

12:14 Rajiv: High-minded principles alone won’t solve the self-censorship problem

18:11 “The Naked Emperor Equilibrium”

21:52 The game theoretical aspect of Glenn’s memoir

25:35 An homage to Thomas Schelling

27:31 Rajiv’s work on police use-of-force, then and now

30:36 The predictive value of political betting markets

42:44 Robert Solow’s intellectual family tree

46:16 The lopsided distribution of elite economists

49:08 Rajiv: Big econ departments should take more chances on candidates

51:52 The mind-boggling geographical variation in police killings

56:09 Why Rajiv doesn’t take pride in other Indian-Americans’ success

Recorded January 26, 2024

Links and Readings

Noam Dworman’s TGS appearance

Noam Dworman’s podcast, Live from the Table

Norman Finkelstein and Eli Lake on Live from the Table

Benny Morris’s book, One State, Two States: Resolving the Israel/Palestine Crisis

Rashid Khalidi on Live from the Table

Benny Morris on Live from the Table

Tara Henley’s Lean Out

Ilan Pappé’s book, The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine

Glenn’s essay, “Self-Censorship in Public Discourse: A Theory of ‘Political Correctness’ and Related Phenomena

Glenn’s conversation with Omer Bartov

Glenn’s conversation with Norman Finkelstein

Norman Finkelstein’s book, I’ll Burn That Bridge When I Get to It!: Heretical Thoughts on Identity Politics, Cancel Culture, and Academic Freedom

Glenn’s conversation with John Mearsheimer

John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt’s book, The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy

University of Chicago’s 1967 Kalven Committee Report

University of Chicago’s 2014 “Chicago Principles” on freedom of expression

Elizabeth Noelle-Neumann’s book, The Spiral of Silence: Public Opinion—Our Second Skin

Timothy Kuran’s book, Private Truths, Public Lies: The Social Consequences of Preference Falsification

Thomas Schelling’s book, The Strategy of Conflict

Rajiv and Brendan O’Flahery’s book, Shadows of Doubt: Stereotypes, Crime, and Pursuit of Justice

Gunnar Myrdal’s book, An American Dilemma: The Negro Problem and Modern Democracy

Rajiv’s Substack, Imperfect Information

Rajiv’s Substack post, “Economic Growth and the Growth of Economics: Reflections on Robert Solow”

Ralph Ellison’s essay 1970 essay, “What America Would Be Like without Blacks”



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Noam Dworman – Friendship in a Time of War (Bonus Episode)04 Feb 202401:00:36

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0:00 Why Noam gave Glenn a bag of books about Israel

5:25 Why Glenn felt burned after The Bell Curve

8:49 Loyalty among friends during the Gaza War

13:15 The blowback from Brown’s ceasefire letter

17:18 Talking about Israel across the ideological spectrum

19:42 Glenn: Loyalty tests are unreasonable

23:16 Trying to understand the human costs of war

26:26 Glenn: There is no decent alternative to a two-state solution

33:32 “Apartheid,” “genocide,” and other potentially unhelpful terms

39:29 Noam: Thank God for President Biden

44:13 Why Noam is worried about American attitudes toward Israel

49:08 Will the Gaza War end up strengthening Hamas?

56:08 The tone-deafness of some supporters of Israel

Recorded January 31, 2023

Links and Readings

Noam’s podcast, Live from the Table

The Glenn Show Live at the Comedy Cellar

Glenn and John Live at the Comedy Cellar

Charles Murray and Richard Herrnstein’s book, The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life

Glenn’s conversation with Charles Murray

The Brown University faculty’s ceasefire letter

Glenn’s conversation with Omer Bartov

Glenn’s conversation with Norman Finkelstein

Glenn’s conversation with John Mearsheimer

Glenn’s most recent conversation with Robert Wright

Benny Morris’s book, One State, Two States: Resolving the Israel/Palestine Conflict

Aaron Maté’s appearance on Noam’s podcast



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John McWhorter – Is DEI on Its Way Out?02 Feb 202400:57:38

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0:00 John: Claudine Gay needed to resign, but her plagiarism wasn’t a mortal sin

6:50 Has DEI taken a hit after the Gay controversy?

13:50 When “DEI” really means “racial preferences”

22:12 The case of Neri Oxman

23:52 John: Bill Ackman looks “absurd”

26:47 Three cheers for John’s dinosaurs

28:22 Is Glenn really a “black conservative”?

31:11 The three dimensions of black conservatism

37:50 Black elites and immigration

42:35 Ibram X. Kendi undeterred

44:48 Roland Fryer is still standing

46:48 Is Amy Wax getting railroaded by Penn?

Recorded January 27, 2024

Links and Readings

John’s NYT piece, “We Need a New Word for ‘Plagiarism’”

Elon Musk’s DEI airline post on X

Neri Oxman’s CV

Adolph Reed’s essay, “‘What Are the Drums Saying, Booker?’: The Curious Role of the Black Public Intellectual” (originally published in the Village Voice, April 11, 1995)

Wilfred Reilly’s comparative IQ post on X

Recording of Amy Wax’s FIRE webinar

Glenn’s December 2021 episode with Amy Wax

Glenn’s August 2022 episode with Amy Wax

Charles Murray’s book, Human Diversity: The Biology of Race, Gender, and Class

Glenn’s conversation with Charles Murray



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David Kaiser – States of the Union26 Jan 202401:07:52

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0:00 The many, many books of David Kaiser

3:01 David: Claudine Gay is a symptom, not a cause, of what’s wrong at Harvard

6:09 Western Civilization and elitism at Harvard

10:03 Meritorious elitism and luxury elitism

12:35 Intellectuals in the wild

14:28 How James Bryant Conant built the modern Harvard …

17:33 … and how it was broken

18:52 Glenn’s previous conversation with Omer Bartov

24:12 Why David thinks the Gaza War falls short of genocide but maybe not ethnic cleansing

25:51 What Claudine Gay could (and maybe should) have said at her congressional hearing

27:51 Why David thinks originalists will have a problem rejecting attempts to remove Trump from electoral ballots

32:38 David: Mitch McConnell should have impeached Trump when he had the chance

36:07 David’s new book, States of the Union

41:03 Have state of the union addresses always been as boring as they are now?

44:55 Washington, Lincoln, FDR, Reagan, and their legacies

57:37 Why Obama didn’t propose a New New Deal after the 2008 financial crisis

1:01:01 Biden’s silence

Recorded January 10, 2024

Links and Readings

David’s book, Economic Diplomacy and the Origin of the Second World War: Germany, Britain, France, and Eastern Europe, 1930-1939

David’s book, Politics and War: European Conflict from Philip II to Hitler

David’s book, American Tragedy: Kennedy, Johnson, and the Origins of the Vietnam War

David’s book, The Road to Dallas: The Assassination of John F. Kennedy

David’s book, Baseball Greatness: Top Players and Teams According to Wins Above Average, 1901-2017

David’s book, NFL 1965: The Most Exciting Season

David’s book, A Life in History

David’s book, States of the Union: A History of the United States through Presidential Addresses, 1789-2023

Glenn’s previous conversation with David

Fareed Zakaria on elite universities

Glenn’s conversation with Omer Bartov

David’s blog, History Unfolding

David’s blog post about the Fourteenth Amendment

Howard Zinn’s book, A People’s History of the United States

John F. Kennedy’s June 11, 1963 address on segregation



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Ilya Shapiro, Robert George & Randall Kennedy – Clarence Thomas: Black American Icon 19 Jan 202401:09:27

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If you missed Wednesday’s City Journal and Manhattan Institute-hosted livestream, I’ve got you covered. Today I’m releasing the recording of that livestream as a special bonus episode. This event marked the publication of my City Journal essay “Clarence Thomas and Me,” and I had a stellar line-up alongside me to discuss the essay and the work of Clarence Thomas: Ilya Shapiro of the Manhattan Institute, Robert George of Princeton, and Randall Kennedy of Harvard Law School.

0:00 Introductions

2:58 Why Glenn wrote “Clarence Thomas and Me”

5:27 Randall: “Justice Thomas trades on his blackness”

10:58 Glenn: Clarence Thomas has not “betrayed black people”

12:30 Thomas’s engagement with natural law jurisprudence

19:29 How would Thomas have come down on Brown v. Board of Education?

20:55 The loyalty trap

24:20 Randall: Thomas’s originalism may also commit him to sanctioning segregation

28:24 Robbie: There are originalist interpretations that support Brown v. Board of Education

34:07 Thomas’s race cases

36:03 Glenn: Thomas can act as both a principled jurist and as an advocate for the rights of African Americans

40:56 Randall: In 100 years, people will regard Shelby County v. Holder as one of the worst decisions in the Court’s history

44:36 Maintaining integrity under pressure

51:22 What are the differences between Thomas’s, Scalia’s, and Alito’s originalisms?

55:30 Will Thomas have broader popularity in the future?

1:01:10 Is racial solidarity inconsistent with judicial impartiality?

1:03:30 Closing remarks

Recorded January 17, 2024

Links and Readings

Glenn’s City Journal essay, “Clarence Thomas and Me”

Glenn’s book, One by One from the Inside Out : Essays and Reviews on Race and Responsibility in America

Michael McConnell’s article, “The Originalist Case for Brown v. Board of Education

Randy Barnett and Evan Bernick’s book, The Original Meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment: Its Letter and Spirit

Lon Fuller’s book, The Morality of Law

The documentary on Clarence Thomas, Created Equal



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John McWhorter – Claudine Gay, MLK, and GLENN'S NEW BOOK15 Jan 202400:42:31

0:00 Preorder Glenn’s forthcoming memoir, Late Admissions: Confessions of a Black Conservative

2:17 Why Glenn wrote a memoir (and why you should order it now)

8:59 A ringing endorsement from John

10:00 What does Martin Luther King Jr. Day mean in 2024?

15:28 Preserving King’s belief in “the content of our character”

16:20 What would King have thought of Claudine Gay?

20:20 King’s radicalism

25:54 John: Being against DEI does not make you a racist

28:10 The Tabia Lee affair at D’Anza Community College

29:58 How Claudine Gay should have reacted to the plagiarism scandal

32:47 Glenn: “The DEI movement is hoist on its own petard”

35:57 How DEI’s dominance has improved John’s home media set-up

41:41 John’s upcoming cabaret show

Links and Readings

John’s NYT piece, “Claudine Gay Was Not Driven Out Because She Is Black”

Glenn’s conversation with Tabia Lee

“All’s Fair in Love and War” from Gold Diggers of 1937



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Omer Bartov – Israel's Hard Right Turn 12 Jan 202401:10:00

0:00 The long road leading to the Gaza War

9:14 Don’t Palestinians have some responsibility for the current state of affairs?

9:48 The precedent of the 1973 Yom Kippur War

11:26 Omer: Israel only negotiates under pressure

13:31 Netanyahu and the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin

15:27 The US’s military support for Israel

16:32 The origins of Hamas

20:20 Omer: Netanyahu’s coalition is “a mirror image of Hamas”

24:45 The threat to democracy in Israel

26:27 Omer: Netanyahu is driving the country to the right in order to avoid a corruption trial

30:07 How “Jewish supremacists” have gained control of Israel’s government

34:01 Why Omer’s Zionism does not commit him to defending Israel’s actions

36:46 The risk of genocide in Gaza

40:05 The IDF’s procedure in the Gaza invasion

43:09 What will happen to the Gazan refugees?

45:00 The international community’s role in finding a resolution to the Gaza War

48:17 Is the IDF “the most moral army in the world”?

54:39 The revenge motive

57:07 Omer: The campaign in Gaza is a fiasco

59:38 A US-led plan for “the day after”

1:04:37 Is peace in Israel a pollyannaish pipe dream?

Recorded January 2, 2023

Links and Readings

Benny Morris’s book, One State, Two States: Resolving the Israel-Palestine Conflict

Omer’s New Statesman piece, “Both Netanyahu and Hamas see this crisis as an opportunity”

Hamas’s 1988 charter

Omer’s NYT op-ed, “What I Believe as a Historian of Genocide”



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John McWhorter – The Best of Glenn and John 202305 Jan 202401:07:53

I had planned to release the first Glenn and John episode of 2024 on New Year’s Day. Unfortunately, life had other plans, and John and I could not record as scheduled. So instead, my staff put together this collection of some of our favorite clips from 2023. John and I covered a lot of ground last year. Here you’ll see us addressing African American performance on standardized tests, the Supreme Court’s affirmative action decision, the riots of 2020, the Gaza War, and other big topics on the show.

0:00 A New Year's message from Glenn

2:36 How do we know that African Americans are just as smart as everyone else?

11:15 Glenn goes in on the 2020 riots

16:34 John: I love linguistics, but linguistics no longer loves me

25:37 Glenn: How can anyone argue that race-based affirmative action doesn’t violate the 14th Amendment?

34:58 When the smoke clears in Gaza

45:34 John: “We’ve been lied to” about George Floyd’s death

54:32 Glenn and John revisit their first conversation



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Philip Howard – Getting Unions Out of Government29 Dec 202301:09:22

0:00 Philip’s early work on post-nuclear war recovery

2:26 Philip’s skepticism toward the role of lawyers in the US

4:34 What’s wrong with the EPA, OSHA, and the EEOC?

6:59 How to ensure worker safety without “4,000 rules”

8:07 Why the US spends so much on healthcare

11:32 Philip: We’ve degenerated into a culture of distrust

14:58 The origins of American distrust

18:42 Re-instilling trust

21:38 The problems of national security and public health

26:57 Are public employee unions constitutional?

39:35 Market constraints don’t hold for government employees

34:55 Do public sector workers need protection from exploitation?

39:22 Philip: “Public service is repellant to good candidates”

40:58 A short history of the civil service

46:49 Is Philip inveighing against the Democratic Party and the labor movement at large?

53:12 Philip: Police unions prevent accountability, too

56:08 The necessity of a constitutional solution to public unions

1:00:58 Philip: The political organizing of public unions harms the public

1:04:46 Would the current Supreme Court be receptive to Philip’s case?

Recorded October 27, 2023

Links and Readings

Philip’s book, The Death of Common Sense: How Law Is Suffocating America

Philip’s book, Life Without Lawyers: Restoring Responsibility in America

Philip’s latest book, Not Accountable: Rethinking the Constitutionality of Public Employee Unions

Edward Banfield’s book, The Moral Basis of a Backward Society

Robert Putnam’s book, Making Democracy Work: Civic Traditions in Modern Italy

Philip’s forthcoming book, Everyday Freedom: Designing the Framework for a Flourishing Society



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John McWhorter, Liz Collin & JC Chaix – Filmmakers Reveal the Truth about George Floyd22 Dec 202301:02:43

0:00 How Liz and JC came to collaborate on their doc, The Fall of Minneapolis

4:18 JC: No, the footage in the doc is not AI-manipulated

6:08 How much of the body cam footage is previously unseen?

8:18 Who lied about George Floyd, what did they lie about, and why?

13:30 The relevance of Floyd’s behavior during the incident

17:30 JC: Minneapolis Chief of Police Arradondo perjured himself

22:30 Minnesota DA Keith Ellison’s email to Glenn

24:11 The expert testimony from Dr. Martin Tobin on Floyd’s cause of death

26:12 Adjudicating disputes about the cause of death

34:36 Were racial justice tropes part of the Floyd incident?

38:20 Why Liz and JC think Derek Chauvin didn’t get a fair trial

41:28 Why JC didn’t include the entire viral video of Floyd in the doc

44:30 What Chauvin told JC about the incident

47:40 Humanizing the Minnesota police

50:41 The aftermath of the Minneapolis riots

55:32 The lawsuits that followed the Floyd family’s settlement

56:34 The drugs that “complicated” Floyd’s restraint

Recorded December 16, 2023.

Links and Readings

Glenn and John’s episode about The Fall of Minneapolis

Liz and JC’s documentary, The Fall of Minneapolis

Liz’s book, They're Lying: The Media, The Left, and The Death of George Floyd



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Bonus Episode: Man of Steel11 Mar 202500:02:01
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In this episode, Nikita, Mark, and I talk about steelmanning, what people want me to say about Gaza, what I want to say about Gaza, and why I offer disclaimers when I talk foreign policy.

Tabia Lee – An Ex-DEI Director Speaks Out15 Dec 202300:53:24

0:00 Tabia’s early career as a teacher

5:40 Tabia’s “rough ride” as a DEI director

17:06 The antisemitism problem at De Anza

25:25 The inescapable BIPOC binary

28:52 From disagreement to deplatforming

35:30 Why Tabia found support among students but not faculty

39:00 How attempts to silence Tabia backfired

40:54 Tabia’s broad vision of diversity

47:46 Learning from the medical professionals of Galilee

Recorded November 27, 2023

Links and Readings

Tabia’s New York Post piece, “I was a DEI director — DEI drives campus antisemitism”

Tabia’s Compact piece, “A Black DEI Director Canceled by DEI”

Foundation Against Intolerance and Racism

Do No Harm Medicine

Coalition for Empowered Education



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November 2023 Q&A06 Dec 202300:00:06
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Glenn and John answer Substack subscriber questions from November 2023.

John McWhorter – The Truth about George Floyd's Death08 Dec 202300:51:40

0:00 A new documentary about George Floyd’s death raises new questions

5:42 John: “We’ve been lied to” about George Floyd’s death

14:27 The price of a “poetic truth”

20:09 Was the Derek Chauvin jury intimidated into delivering a guilty verdict?

23:26 Glenn: George Floyd was no hero

29:03 The burning of Minneapolis’s 3rd Precinct

34:54 Is there any hope of changing the George Floyd narrative?

41:48 Who will take responsibility for changing things in black America?

Recorded December 2, 2023

Links and Readings

Glenn and John’s May 2020 episode, “Cops and Race”

Liz Collin and JC Chaix’s documentary, The Fall of Minneapolis

Eli and Shelby Steele’s documentary, What Killed Michael Brown?

Barbershop, “OJ did it”

Coleman Hughes’s forthcoming book, The End of Race Politics: Arguments for a Colorblind America



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Erec Smith – Free Black Thought01 Dec 202300:55:27

0:00 Is “black heterodoxy” a euphemism for “black conservatism”?

13:34 Classical liberalism’s role in Free Black Thought

15:07 Erec: I saw things while working as a diversity officer that I can’t unsee

22:47 Why the Democratic Party doesn’t like Erec

30:38 How Free Black Thought is fostering agency in the black community

36:16 Erec: The onus is on us, not affirmative action, to prepare black students for college

45:19 What is rhetoric, anyway?

Recorded November 13, 2023

Links and Readings

Erec’s nonprofit, Free Black Thought

Journal of Free Black Thought

Free Black Thought’s podcast

Minnesota’s Take Charge program

The Hidden Genius Project

Glenn’s essay in the Journal of Free Black Thought, “Wrestle Not against Flesh and Blood”



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John McWhorter, Daniel Bessner & Tyler Austin Harper – The Gaza War and the Crisis of Liberalism24 Nov 202300:57:52

0:00 The state of campus speech after 10/7

5:48 Daniel: Why are critics of cancel culture silent when it comes to Israel?

15:43 “Explaining” Hamas vs. “excusing” Hamas

26:17 Tyler: American Jewish students worried about their safety have been primed by modern identity politics

29:31 The tension between DEI and antisemitism response teams

38:17 The linguistic ambiguity of “From the river to the sea”

43:41 The irreconcilable conflict between campus social justice and donor funding

47:49 If not liberalism, then what?

53:51 Tyler: Postwar political conservatism is coming apart

Recorded November 18, 2023

Links and Readings

Daniel’s podcast, American Prestige

Glenn’s conversation with Yascha Mounk (recorded October 3, 2023)

Adam Shatz’s book, The Rebel’s Clinic: The Revolutionary Lives of Frantz Fanon

Lisa Stampnitzky’s book, Disciplining Terror: How Experts Invented “Terrorism”

Daniel’s essay in the Nation, “A Bad Breakup”

Theodor Adorno and Max Horkheimer’s book, Dialectic of Enlightenment: Philosophical Fragments

Daniel’s Harper’s essay, “Empire Burlesque”



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Robert Wright – The Gaza War Will Create More Terrorists (Bonus Episode)19 Nov 202301:11:40

0:00 How Bob gave Glenn his start in podcasting

2:05 Is the Gaza War in Israel’s best interests …

11:46 … and if not, what should Israel have done in response to October 7?

18:06 How Hamas gained control of Gaza

26:53 Bob: Some in the Israeli government wouldn’t mind a wider war in the Middle East

36:46 What does “From the river to the sea” actually mean?

46:10 Bob: Every settlement in the West Bank is a war crime

54:20 The psychology of victimhood and retribution

1:00:37 The challenge of spiritual transformation

Recorded November 13, 2023

Links and Readings

Bob’s Substack, the Nonzero Newsletter

Brown University faculty’s call for a ceasefire

Glenn’s conversation with John McWhorter, “Thinking Through the Gaza War”

Bob’s Nonzero Newsletter piece, “The Truth about Hamas”

John Judis’s 2013 New Republic piece, “Clueless in Gaza”

John Judis and Ruy Texeira’s book, Where Have All the Democrats Gone?: The Soul of the Party in the Age of Extremes

Bob’s Nonzero Newsletter piece, “The ‘River to the Sea’ Rorschach Test”

Bob debates Eli Lake on Israel-Palestine

Jimmy Carter’s book, Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid

Bob’s book, Why Buddhism is True: The Science and Philosophy of Meditation and Enlightenment

The documentary Disturbing the Peace



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Yascha Mounk – The Identity Trap17 Nov 202300:56:20

0:35 A quick announcement

1:46 What led Yascha to write about identity

6:22 An intellectual history of “identity synthesis”

12:15 What’s so bad about “strategic essentialism”?

19:15 From postmodernism to post-civil rights

28:45 The three key claims of identity synthesis

36:02 What led up to the summer of 2020?

45:51 The hermetically sealed ideology of Kendi and DiAngelo

50:45 Yascha’s defense of universalism

Recorded October 3, 2023

Links and Readings

Yascha’s new book, The Identity Trap: A Story of Ideas and Power in Our Time

Michel Foucault’s book, The Order of Things: An Archaeology of the Human Sciences

Edward Said’s book, Orientalism

Gayatri Spivak’s essay, “Can the Subaltern Speak?”

Glenn’s debate with Kmele Foster, Shelby Steele, Robert Woodson, and Reihan Salam

Karen and Barbara Fields’s book, Racecraft: The Soul of Inequality in American Life

Tommie Shelby’s book, We Who Are Dark: The Philosophical Foundations of Black Solidarity

Noam Chomsky and Michel Foucault’s 1971 debate on Dutch television

Derrick Bell’s book, Faces at the Bottom of the Well: The Permanence of Racism

Derrick Bell’s essay, “Serving Two Masters: Integration Ideals and Client Interests in School Desegregation Litigation”

Mahalia Jackson singing “We Shall Overcome”

Roy D’Andrade’s article, “Moral Models in Anthropology”



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October 2023 Q&A08 Nov 202300:06:45
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Reza Aslan – An American Martyr in Persia10 Nov 202301:05:59

0:00 Persia at the turn of the twentieth century

6:43 Woodrow Wilson’s contradictions

11:14 Did Howard Baskerville escape the prejudices of his time?

16:39 How Baskerville got involved in Persia’s democratic revolution

26:43 How Czar Nicholas II aided the counter-revolution

32:29 The erasure of Baskerville in post-1979 Iran

36:31 The theological origin of the Islamic Republic of Iran

45:01 Reza: Ordinary Iranians actually love American culture

48:51 The internal and external pressures on Iran

57:21 The amorality of foreign policy

Recorded October 25, 2023

Links and Readings

Reza’s book, Zealot: The Life and Times of Jesus of Nazareth

Reza’s new book, An American Martyr in Persia: The Epic Life and Tragic Death of Howard Baskerville



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John McWhorter – Thinking Through the Gaza War03 Nov 202300:53:38

0:00 Why John thinks pro-Hamas sentiment on the American left is racist

6:11 Distinguishing between anti-colonialism and antisemitism

12:46 There are great crimes in America’s past. But we shouldn’t let them define us.

17:08 Glenn: We’re standing on the precipice of something catastrophic

27:57 John’s proposal for the US’s role in Israel’s domestic conflict

34:59 Is it right for people to lose their jobs over opposing Israel?

42:07 Why are pro-Hamas leftists supporting an anti-liberal regime?

47:01 Glenn and John’s responsibilities as teachers

52:26 What’s next on TGS

Recorded October 28, 2023

Links and Readings

John’s Free Press piece, “The Ultimate Condescension Toward Palestinians”

Adam Shatz’s LRB essay, “Vengeful Pathologies”

Joe Biden’s Oval Office address on Israel and Ukraine

Reza Aslan’s book, Zealot: The Life and Times of Jesus of Nazareth

Reza Aslan’s new book, An American Martyr in Persia: The Epic Life and Tragic Death of Howard Baskerville



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Peter Beinart – Being Jewish after the Destruction of Gaza14 Mar 202500:54:04

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0:00 Intro

1:33 The relationships Peter has lost and gained

4:14 Why Peter thinks this is a “watershed” moment in Jewish history

6:50 Who can criticize Israel?

9:44 The challenge of October 7’s aftermath to Jewish self-understanding

15:54 Peter: Jews should support non-violent Palestinian protest, not criminalize it

20:12 Shouldn’t the Palestinians have taken the deals they were offered?

25:48 Peter’s argument for a one-state solution

34:34 The “dirty little secret” of Ta-Nehisi Coates’s Jewish critics

37:12 The idolatry of the Jewish state

39:45 The mutual liberation of Jews and Palestinians

41:37 Why aren’t the critics of snowflakes and trigger warnings defending pro-Palestinian campus protesters?

46:01 Peter: Antisemitism is on the rise, and ethno-nationalism is the reason

50:20 Peter: If Gaza is unlivable, then Gazans should be allowed to live where they want

Recorded February 21, 2025

Links and Readings

Peter’s Substack, The Beinart Notebook

Jewish Currents magazine

Peter’s new book, Being Jewish after the Destruction of Gaza: A Reckoning

Ta-Nehisi Coates’s book, The Message

Eitan Hersh and Laura Loyden’s article, “Antisemitic Attitudes across the Ideological Spectrum”



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John Mearsheimer – America's Sunk Cost in Ukraine27 Oct 202301:06:13

0:00 Why John thinks Russia’s invasion of Ukraine was rational

6:55 How small states deal with world powers

10:13 If Russia’s action were rational, were the US’s?

16:40 John: The Ukraine invasion violates international law, but Russia has reason to see it as just

21:58 The risk of escalation

29:26 Zelensky’s expert manipulation of the West

33:51 Is it a coincidence that so many recent presidential scandals involve Ukraine?

39:57 Can tolerant liberals tolerate illiberal societies?

45:45 American Russophobia didn’t cause the war, but it’s not helping

49:19 John: If Putin is overthrown, his replacement will probably be even more brutal

53:35 The foreign policy establishment’s grip on both Democrats and Republicans

Links and Readings

John’s Substack

John’s book, with Sebastian Rosato, How States Think: The Rationality of Foreign Policy

John’s essay, “Bound to Lose”



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John McWhorter & Coleman Hughes – The Colorblindness Controversy and Israel-Hamas20 Oct 202301:09:01

0:00 The blowback from Coleman’s TED Talk

8:50 Did TED intentionally throttle promotion for Coleman’s talk?

17:08 John’s trouble with TED while promoting Woke Racism

20:21 Coleman’s forthcoming book, The End of Race Politics: Arguments for a Colorblind America

29:17 Race in public and private life

43:49 Closure on the TED affair

45:14 What are the goals of each side in the Israel-Palestine conflict?

51:58 Will the Israeli military response simply restart the cycle of violence and resentment?

1:02:15 The threat of post-October 7 overreaction

Links and Readings

Coleman’s Substack, Coleman’s Corner

Coleman’s podcast, Conversations with Coleman

Coleman’s forthcoming book, The End of Race Politics: Arguments for a Colorblind America

Coleman's conversation with Glenn Greenwald about the TED Talk

Coleman’s TED Talk, “A Case for Color Blindness”

Coleman’s Free Press piece, “Why Is TED Scared of Color Blindness”

Coleman’s conversation with Jamelle Bouie

Geroge Packer’s Atlantic piece, “Israel Must Not React Stupidly”



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September 2023 Q&A 11 Oct 202300:14:05
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Randall Kennedy & Renu Mukherjee – A Debate on Affirmative Action, Live at Holy Cross13 Oct 202301:36:11

0:00 Introduction by Greg Burnep

4:27 What does affirmative action mean in 2023?

11:06 Randy’s distinction between “disadvantage” and “discrimination”

18:21 Diversity’s double-talk

31:18 Did the Supreme Court say discrimination is allowed at military academies?

34:33 Glenn: Affirmative action distracts us from bigger problems

41:16 Affirmative action is an elite problem

48:48 Affirmative action as an insurance policy

57:42 The stigmatization of affirmative action beneficiaries

1:04:14 Glenn: Affirmative action has been a net positive, but it’s time to stop

1:07:14 Q&A: Does historical injustice alone justify affirmative action?

1:10:33 Q&A: Can and should colleges use loopholes to get around Students for Fair Admissions?

1:14:50 Q&A: Does the “need” for affirmative action say something race or education?

1:16:27 Q&A: What is the impact of SFFA beyond the university?

1:23:35 Q&A: What about class-based affirmative action?

Recorded September 20, 2023

Links and Readings

Randy’s book, Race, Crime, and the Law

Randy’s book, For Discrimination: Race, Affirmative Action, and the Law

Glenn’s conversation with Jay Caspian Kang



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John McWhorter & Dan Subotnik – The Ibram X. Kendi Scandal 06 Oct 202301:11:59

0:00 What’s wrong with critical race theory, anyway?

3:31 Why “black Columbia” pretends that John doesn’t exist

12:08 CRT’s racial power-grab

18:06 Does the Jewish American example apply to African Americans?

23:10 Disguising failure as victimology

32:15 Why Dan thinks the CRT tide is ebbing

39:58 The schadenfreude of the Ibram X. Kendi scandal

51:00 John: “I’m embarrassed for Boston University”

56:40 Glenn: Kendi is just a cog in the fraudulent antiracist machine

1:04:31 The shame of the Kendi scandal

Recorded September 30, 2023

Links and Readings

Dan’s book, Toxic Diversity: Gender, Race, and Law Talk in America

Frantz Fanon’s book, The Wretched of the Earth

Adam Schatz’s forthcoming biography, The Rebel’s Clinic: The Revolutionary Lives of Frantz Fanon

Glenn’s conversation with Norman Finkelstein

Glenn and John’s conversation with Don Baton

Glenn and John’s conversation with James Beaman



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Sabrina Salvati & LaJuan Loury – Dems Take Fire from the Left29 Sep 202301:10:47

0:00 How Sabby got her start on YouTube

6:18 What happened to the Justice Democrats’ “hostile takeover”?

11:31 Is the US sliding into fascism?

19:26 The tension between race and class on the left

27:15 Donald Trump’s rising popularity among black men

32:39 The military-industrial complex and climate change

42:07 Sabby’s argument for worker co-ops

51:20 Finding (somewhat) common ground on immigration

54:18 Demilitarizing the police is one thing, defunding the police is another

59:46 Sabby: “We should not be giving money to Ukraine”

1:04:35 How Sabby deals with disrespectful guests

Recorded September 16, 2023

Links & Readings

Sabby’s YouTube page

Revolutionary Blackout Network’s YouTube page

Sabby’s interview with Cornel West

AOC’s endorsement of Joe Biden on Pod Save America

Jimmy Dore’s interview with Cornel West

Sabby’s episode on Jimmy Dore-Cornel West interview

Glenn and John McWhorter’s conversation with Mark Goldblatt

Glenn’s debate with Richard Wolff

Briahana Joy Gray debates Krystal Ball and Kyle Kulinski



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John McWhorter & Tyler Austin Harper – How the Race Game Is Played 22 Sep 202300:53:17

0:00 Tyler’s concept of “racial gamification”

6:30 Affirmative action in spirit and practice

13:18 Why can’t we just determine admissions based on academic merit alone?

19:17 The fading popularity of “traditional” affirmative action

22:47 Re-weighting and funding the admissions process

32:28 How can we get white “allies” to act normal around black people?

38:23 Can we have interpersonal colorblindness without political colorblindness?

44:42 Tyler’s scholarly work about the end of humanity

48:10 Glenn prepares for his conversation with Sabrina Salvati

Recorded September 10, 2023

Links and Readings

Tyler’s NYT piece, “I Teach at an Elite College. Here’s a Look Inside the Racial Gaming of Admissions”

Tyler’s Atlantic piece, “I’m a Black Professor. You Don’t Need to Bring That Up.”

Roland Fryer’s NYT piece, “How to Fix College Admissions Now”

Glenn’s conversation with Jay Caspian Kang

Jimmy Dore’s interview with Cornel West

John’s appearance on The View



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Shep Melnick – The Crucible of Desegregation15 Sep 202301:02:05

0:00 Biden’s new DEI initiatives

7:59 The disparate uses of disparate impact

13:59 Shep’s new book, The Crucible of Desegregation: The Uncertain Search for Educational Equality

23:15 The problem with claims that education is resegregating

29:56 Are we heading back to the bussing debates of the 1970s?

35:52 Shep’s book, The Transformation of Title IX: Regulating Gender Equality in Education

44:20 Glenn’s “uncle” objects to analogies between trans people and African Americans

47:58 Shep: Banning Critical Race Theory is the wrong strategy

Recorded September 8, 2023

Links and Readings

Shep’s new book, The Crucible of Desegregation: The Uncertain Search for Educational Equality

Heather Mac Donald’s book, When Race Trumps Merit: How the Pursuit of Equity Sacrifices Excellence, Destroys Beauty, and Threatens Lives

Gary Orfield’s book, The Reconstruction of Southern Education: The Schools and the 1964 Civil Rights Act

James Fishkin’s book, Justice, Equal Opportunity, and the Family

Shep’s book, The Transformation of Title IX: Regulating Gender Equality in Education

John Skretny’s book, The Minority Rights Revolution

Robin DiAngelo’s book, White Fragility: Why It’s So Hard for White People to Talk about Racism



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August 2023 Q&A06 Sep 202300:08:43
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John McWhorter – Whose Election Narrative? 08 Sep 202301:00:51

0:00 Can a white man tell Harriet Tubman’s story?

9:59 What the fall semester has in store for Glenn and John

17:25 How John makes the sausage at the New York Times

22:55 John: We now memorize rap lyrics instead of poetry

36:18 Is wokeness on the wane?

42:12 What John just doesn’t get about Carol Swain

51:46 A Democrat by any other name

56:50 John makes a wild prediction about Trump

Recorded August 31, 2023

Links and Readings

The Philadelphia Harriet Tubman statue

John’s NYT piece, “Two Languages Walk into a Bar”

John’s NYT piece, “How Hip-Hop Became America’s Poetry”

Oliver Anthony’s song, “Rich Men North of Richmond”

Jason Aldean’s song, “Try That in a Small Town”

Donald Trump’s mugshot

Sabrina Salvati’s YouTube channel

Carol Swain’s recent TGS episode

Carol Swain’s book, Black Faces, Black Interests: The Representation of African Americans in Congress

Dinesh D’Souza’s film, 2000 Mules

Carol Swain’s PragerU videos



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February 2025 Q&A05 Mar 202500:09:27
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Carol Swain – The Adversity of Diversity01 Sep 202301:18:17

0:00 Why Carol joined Black Voices for Trump

9:59 Why should black people support Trump?

16:31 Carol: Democrats stole the 2020 election

26:07 Does Trump face a credible assassination threat?

30:35 The redefinition of white supremacy

35:51 Deracializing the crime debate

39:58 Carol’s new book, The Adversity of Diversity: How Real Training Can Promote Healing in a Post-Affirmative Action World

50:55 Glenn: Affirmative action is one thing, DEI is another

1:04:54 Clarence Thomas v. Ketanji Brown Jackson

1:08:06 What affirmative action did right

Recorded August 26, 2023

Links and Readings

Carol and Mike Towle’s new book, The Adversity of Diversity: How Real Training Can Promote Healing in a Post-Affirmative Action World

Carol’s Godfather III Twitter (now X) post

Reuters story on Harrison Floyd

Jason Riley’s book, The Black Boom

Tucker Carlson’s debate night interview with Donald Trump

Carol’s book, The New White Nationalism in America: Its Challenge to Integration

Carol and Christopher J. Schorr’s book, Black Eye for America: How Critical Race Theory Is Burning Down the House



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John McWhorter – Sixteen Years of "The Black Guys"25 Aug 202300:54:26

0:00 A sixteen-year-long conversation

5:45 Race and socioeconomics on the cusp of the Obama Era

21:19 The myth of black poverty and deindustrialization

32:56 Glenn pulls rank

37:59 Why Glenn changed his mind about the Manhattan Institute

50:15 Is the think tank world any more “objective” than academia?

Recorded August 19, 2023

Links and Readings

Glenn and John’s first conversation from November 7, 2007

John’s book, Losing the Race: Self-Sabotage in Black America

John’s book, Winning the Race: Beyond the Crisis in Black America

Glenn’s book, The Anatomy of Racial Inequality

Martin Peretz’s memoir, The Controversialist: Arguments with Everyone, Left, Right, and Center

Jeffrey O.C. Ogbar’s book, Hip-Hop Revolution: The Culture and Politics of Rap

Charles Murray’s book, Losing Ground: American Social Policy, 1950-1980

Charles Murray and Richard Herrnstein’s book, The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life



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Haim Shweky – An American-Israeli at the Ukrainian Front18 Aug 202301:04:07

0:00 Haim’s history with The Glenn Show

7:54 How Haim ended up fighting in Ukraine

17:42 The legionnaire’s lingua franca

27:55 Haim’s riposte to Cornel West on Ukraine

42:27 A pen in one hand and a gun in the other

47:56 Haim: Ukraine’s sovereignty and national identity must be respected

53:34 Is the two-state solution dead?

Recorded July 23, 2023

Links and Readings

Haim’s writing for this newsletter

Haim’s Substack, The Garland

Glenn’s recent conversation with Cornel West

Haim and Nikita Petrov’s exchange on the Ukraine War

Nikita’s Substack, Psychopolitica



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July 2023 Q&A09 Aug 202300:10:06
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John McWhorter & Ian Buruma – The Spirit of Wokeness 11 Aug 202301:07:54

0:00 The protestant ethic and the spirit of wokeness

10:47 Is comparing wokeness to religion a slander on religion?

21:08 Ian: Wokeness is a distraction from real political problems

28:02 How Ian experienced his own cancelation

41:31 America’s exportation of wokeness

45:45 Has wokeness aided and abetted Trump and Brexit?

52:54 John: Enslaved people did find ways to improve their own lives

Recorded August 7, 2023

Links and Readings

Ian’s Harper’s piece, “Doing the Work”

John’s book, Woke Racism: How a New Religion Has Betrayed Black America

Jian Ghomeshi’s 2018 NYRB piece, “Reflections from a Hashtag”

Tomiwa Owolade’s book, This is Not America: Why Black Lives in Britain Matter

David Brooks’s NYT oped, “What if We’re the Bad Guys Here?”

John’s NYT oped, “One Sentence Does Not Define a Curriculum”

The Florida Board of Education’s 2023 standards for social studies

Robert Cherry’s essay on slavery at this newsletter



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Jay Caspian Kang – Affirmative Elitism 04 Aug 202301:14:57

0:00 How Jay’s position on affirmative action changed

12:15 Jay: I can’t see the virtue in affirmative action as it’s practiced

20:07 Why did so many Asian students defend policies that discriminated against Asians?

25:35 The hidden cultural argument in the California Mathematics Framework

32:01 Is the “people of color coalition” coming apart?

34:55 Why so little outrage over the SCOTUS affirmative action decision?

42:26 When students internalize artificial trauma narratives

49:06 America can’t economically decouple itself from China. Will anti-China rhetoric wane?

55:49 What will and won’t change in the wake of Students for Fair Admissions v. Harvard

1:05:29 Isn’t there some value to diversity in education?

Recorded July 24, 2023

Links and Readings

Jay’s New Yorker piece, “Why the Champions of Affirmative Action Had to Leave Asian Americans Behind”

Jay’s book, The Loneliest Americans

Jay’s podcast with E. Tammy Kim, Time to Say Goodbye

Jay’s 2019 New York Times Magazine piece, “Where Does Affirmative Action Leave Asian-Americans?”

Jennifer Lee and Min Zhou’s book, The Asian American Achievement Paradox

Natasha Warikoo’s book, Race at the Top: Asian Americans and Whites in Pursuit of the American Dream in Suburban Schools

The California Mathematics Framework

Roland Fryer’s NYT piece, “How to Fix College Admissions Now”



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John McWhorter and Peter Arcidiacono – The Economics of SFFA v. Harvard28 Jul 202301:00:30

0:00 Peter’s role in the Supreme Court affirmative action case

8:57 Are legacy admissions affirmative action by another name?

19:17 Why Peter got interested in affirmative action

24:20 Glenn was for affirmative action before he was against it

30:33 Peter: Universities are not honest about admissions

34:20 The brilliance of Roland Fryer

51:17 Campus diversity after affirmative action

Recorded July 22, 2023

Links and Readings

Glenn’s 2020 conversation with Peter

Peter’s paper, “What happens after enrollment? An analysis of the time path of racial differences in GPA and major choice”

Mary Sue Coleman on the steps of the Supreme Court

John’s book, Losing the Race: Self-Sabotage in Black America

Roland Fryer’s paper, “An Empirical Analysis of Racial Differences in Police Use of Force”

Federico Echenique and Roland Fryer’s paper, “A Measure of Segregation Based on Social Interactions”

David Austen-Smith and Roland Fryer’s paper, “The Economics of ‘Acting White’”



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Matt Johnson – The Lessons of Christopher Hitchens 21 Jul 202300:54:19

0:00 How Matt first encountered Christopher Hitchens

6:07 Matt’s new book, How Hitchens Can Save the Left: Rediscovering Fearless Liberalism in an Age of Counter-Enlightenment

8:00 Why Matt thinks Cornel West’s Vietnam-Afghanistan analogy is flawed

14:21 What’s worth preserving in the left-liberal tradition?

21:38 Matt: Identity politics is a “toxin”

27:20 Was affirmative action ever necessary?

35:29 Matt: I wish the left would rediscover Hitchens’s universalism

45:04 Hitchens’s “fearless liberalism”

Recorded July 6, 2023

Links and Readings

Matt’s new book, How Hitchens Can Save the Left: Rediscovering Fearless Liberalism in an Age of Counter-Enlightenment

Hitchens’s NYRB review of Douglas Murray’s Bosie: A Biography of Lord Alfred Douglas

Hitchens’s book, Why Orwell Matters

George Orwell’s book, Keep The Aspidistra Flying

Glenn’s recent conversation with Cornel West

Matt’s Quilette essay on John Mearsheimer

Matt’s Quillette essay on Bayard Rustin

Jonathan Eig’s King: A Life

Nathan Glazer’s book, Affirmative Discrimination: Ethnic Inequality and Public Policy

Roland Fryer’s NYT oped, “How to Fix College Admissions Now”

Glenn’s debate with Hitchens

Ta-Nehisi Coates’s Atlantic essay, “The Case for Reparations”

Bayard Rustin’s 1965 Commentary essay, “From Protest to Politics: The Future of the Civil Rights Movement”

Norman Finkelstein’s book, I’ll Burn That Bridge When I Come to It!: Heretical Thoughts on Identity Politics, Cancel Culture, and Academic Freedom

Glenn’s conversation with Norman Finkelstein



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June 2023 Q&A12 Jul 202300:07:09
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John McWhorter – The End of Race-Based Affirmative Action14 Jul 202301:03:30

0:00 John: Let’s be honest about what “taking race into account” means in affirmative action

10:09 Glenn: How can anyone argue that race-based affirmative action doesn’t violate the 14th Amendment?

19:29 Why are we so focused on elite institutions?

24:32 John: The University of California works just fine without “racial preferences”

30:28 “You’re pulling the ladder up behind you” is an invalid critique

35:00 John: The fact that racism exists does not justify changing standards

44:04 Why Roland Fryer thinks we should put our money where our mouth is on race and education

51:04 Will the post-Students for Fair Admissions future turn into a “Hardship Olympics”?

Recorded July 8, 2023

Links and Readings

Zachary Bleemer’s paper, “Affirmative Action, Mismatch, and Economic Mobility after California’s Proposition 209”

Zachary Bleemer’s paper, “Affirmative Action and Its Race-Neutral Alternatives”

The Supreme Court opinions in Students for Fair Admissions v. Harvard

John’s book, Losing the Race: Self-Sabotage in Black America

John’s NYT piece, “On Race and Academia”

Roland Fryer’s NYT oped, “How to Fix College Admissions Now”



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Bonus Episode: War and/or Peace04 Mar 202500:02:04
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In this bonus episode, Mark, Nikita, and I discuss Trump's chaotic Oval Office meeting with Volodymyr Zelenskyy, parsing positions from principles, and the fate of Ukraine.

Jay Bhattacharya – Rewriting the COVID Narrative07 Jul 202301:05:58

0:00 The problem with scientific consensus

6:36 Why Jay and his colleagues were branded “fringe epidemiologists”

15:52 Jay: We need to engage with everyone—even those with mistaken beliefs

25:55 Persuading science skeptics

36:04 How do we stop COVID overreach from happening again?

46:38 Jay: Gain-of-function research is impossible to do safely

55:03 Are some ideas too dangerous to test?

59:30 Jay: Fauci’s blunder was so catastrophic that only history can judge him

Recorded June 23, 2023

Links and Readings

Rav Arora and Jay’s newsletter, The Illusion of Consensus

Doris Kearns Goodwin’s book, Team of Rivals: The Political Genius of Abraham Lincoln

The Great Barrington Declaration

Steve Koonin’s book, Unsettled: What Climate Science Asks Us, What It Doesn’t, and Why It Matters

Steve Koonin’s TGS appearance

Tjalling Koopman’s, Three Essays on the State of Economic Science

Emily Oster’s Atlantic piece, “Let’s Declare a Pandemic Amnesty”

The Norfolk Group Document

Glenn’s paper, “Self-Censorship in Public Discourse: A Theory of ‘Political Correctness’ and Related Phenomena”

Richard Feynman demonstrates flaws in Challenger’s O-rings

Roger Shattuck’s book, Forbidden Knowledge: From Prometheus to Pornography



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Cornel West – The Presidential Aspirations of Cornel West30 Jun 202301:05:21

0:00 Why Cornel is running for president

10:45 How Cornel links American militarism abroad and inequality at home

15:15 Cornel’s pitch to skeptical right-of-center voters

20:30 Is there tension between Cornel’s commitment to stopping climate change and his commitment to helping the working class?

33:50 The moral potential and pitfalls of capitalism

37:34 Might Cornel inadvertently hand the election to the Republicans?

41:44 Cornel: Tim Scott and Clarence Thomas are wrong, but they’re sincere

46:06 Why Cornel thinks the US is partially culpable for the Ukraine War

52:04 Should Palestinians recognize the legitimacy of the State of Israel?

1:00:23 Cornel’s ideas about the US border

Recorded on June 16, 2023

Links and Readings

Cornel’s campaign website

Cornel’s TGS appearance with Teodros Kiros

Glenn and Richard Wolff debate capitalism and socialism

Cornel and Robert George on PBS’s Firing Line

Steve Koonin’s TGS appearance

Ernesto Cortes’s TGS appearance

Benjamin Schwartz and Christopher Layne’s Harper’s essay, “Why Are We in Ukraine?”



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John McWhorter & Jonathan Rieder – Canceling "Culture in America" 23 Jun 202301:02:45

0:00 Why Jonathan’s course “Culture in America” got canceled

9:07 The fragility of liberal arts education

17:24 Managing “CRT zealots” in the classroom

27:44 Is there a future for free inquiry?

35:03 John: Black middle-class students don’t need affirmative action

44:57 Is diversity the problem, or is it elitism?

52:35 The virtues (and virtue signaling) of Randall Kennedy

Recorded June 17, 2023

Links and Readings

Alex Morey and Nadine Strossen’s FIRE article about Jonathan, “Who’s Allowed to Teach ‘Culture in America’?”

Barnard’s Center for Engaged Pedagogy

John’s book, Woke Racism: How a New Religion Has Betrayed Black America

Robin DiAngelo’s book, White Fragility: Why It’s So Hard for White People to Talk about Racism

Cornell Belcher’s book, A Black Man in the White House: Barack Obama and the Triggering of America’s Racial-Aversion Crisis

Richard Rothstein’s Atlantic piece, “The Problem with Wealth-Based Affirmative Action”

John’s guest post, “Racial Preferences May End, but the Fight Will Continue”

Derrick Bell’s book, Faces at the Bottom of the Well: The Permanence of Racism

Glenn’s City Journal essay, “Affirmative Distraction”

Randall Kennedy NYT guest essay, “The Truth Is, Many Americans Just Don’t Want Black People to Get Ahead”

Randall Kennedy’s Atlantic essay, “My Race Problem”

Randall Kennedy’s book, For Discrimination: Race, Affirmative Action, and the Law

Randall Kennedy’s book, Nigger: The Strange Career of a Troublesome Word

John McWhorter and Randall Kennedy on The Glenn Show

John’s 2008 Bloggingheads conversation with Randall Kennedy



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