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In this episode of The Future of Identity Podcast, I’m joined by Zac Cohen, Chief Product Officer at Trulioo, one of the world's leading identity verification platforms. Having helped scale Trulioo from its earliest startup days into a global leader in identity verification, Zac brings a unique perspective on how trust, fraud prevention, reusable digital identities, and AI are reshaping the future of digital identity.

Our conversation explores how identity verification has evolved beyond simple compliance into a continuous trust problem and why digital IDs, agentic AI, and intelligent risk engines are becoming essential building blocks for the next generation of online experiences.

In this episode we explore:

• Why identity verification is evolving into a broader digital trust problem and how reusable digital identities fit alongside traditional verification methods.
• How enterprises can balance fraud prevention with seamless customer experiences by giving users multiple trusted verification options.
• Why continuous risk monitoring, behavioral intelligence, and lifecycle-based verification are becoming just as important as onboarding.
• How AI agents will transform digital identity and what organizations need to consider when verifying people, businesses, and autonomous agents working together.
• Why global identity ecosystems require intelligent orchestration across countries, regulations, and digital ID schemes to simplify adoption for enterprises.

This episode is essential listening for anyone building identity, fraud, or trust infrastructure. Zac offers thoughtful insights into how enterprises can prepare for a future where reusable IDs, AI agents, and continuous trust all work together to create safer, lower-friction digital experiences.

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In this episode of The Future of Identity Podcast, I’m joined by Eran Haggiag, founder and CEO of Glide Identity, to explore a bold vision for the future of digital identity. While much of the industry is focused on wallets, passkeys, and government-issued credentials, Eran argues that the foundation for a global, high-assurance identity system has been sitting in our pockets for decades: the SIM card.

Our conversation examines how Glide is leveraging telco infrastructure, hardware-bound cryptographic keys, and verifiable credentials to create a universal identity layer designed for a future shaped by AI agents, quantum threats, and increasingly sophisticated fraud. We also discuss why phone numbers may be one of the most underappreciated public identifiers in the world and how they could serve as the connective tissue between authentication, verification, and reusable identity.

In this episode we explore:

• Why SIM cards may be the world’s most widely distributed hardware security tokens and how they can provide a foundation for phishing-resistant authentication.
• How Glide’s Magical Auth platform replaces SMS OTP with hardware-bound cryptographic verification tied to mobile networks.
• The role of phone numbers as a universal identity anchor for verifiable credentials, digital wallets, and reusable identity.
• How telcos, banks, governments, and identity providers can contribute credentials to a shared identity ecosystem.
• Why AI agents will need their own identities and how verifiable credentials and delegated authority could power the next generation of agent-to-agent interactions.

This episode is essential listening for anyone thinking about the infrastructure layer of identity in an AI-driven world. Eran offers a fresh perspective on authentication, identity verification, and how existing telecom infrastructure could help accelerate the transition to more secure and interoperable digital identity systems.

Hope you enjoy the conversation and if it resonates, feel free to share it with others interested in where identity is headed.

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In this episode, we speak with Jonas Branvall, Head of International Expansion at BankID Sweden, one of the most widely-adopted reusable ID systems in the world. With 99.7% of Swedish adults using BankID and over 7,500 relying parties onboard, it’s a fascinating success story in the digital identity space.

I’ve been eager to explore what drives the adoption of a universally embraced digital ID system, and Jonas provides clear answers. We discuss the pivotal role of strong use cases in driving adoption, including the two major relying party use cases that helped BankID achieve its widespread success. Jonas also shares his insights on the tipping point for adoption—approximately 40% penetration—and why that marks the transition to ubiquity for both users and relying parties.

BankID’s story offers a powerful model for anyone involved in launching mobile driver’s licenses (mDLs), EUDI wallets, private-sector reusable ID networks, or companies looking to integrate these solutions.

Join me for this insightful conversation with Jonas Branvall and learn more about BankID at https://www.bankid.com/en/.

In this episode of The Future of Identity Podcast, I’m joined by Diego Fernández, co-founder of QuarkID and Sovra, to discuss the innovative decentralized identity solution rolled out by the city of Buenos Aires. QuarkID has garnered international attention for its self-custodial identity wallet app, and Diego provides a fascinating behind-the-scenes look at its development, challenges, and growing adoption.

In this episode, we explore:

• The journey of QuarkID, from its origin story to its evolution as a decentralized identity solution.
• Insights into adoption challenges when launching a self-custodial identity wallet app in February and the breakthrough moment of integrating it into the government mobile app.
• The impressive growth of QuarkID, with over 200,000 users onboarded in just 40 days and adoption accelerating at an increasing rate.
• Diego’s visionary perspective on the shortcomings of current identity systems and how improved digital identity can drive prosperity and empowerment.
• Practical lessons for governments and organizations looking to implement decentralized identity systems.

This episode is a must-listen for professionals in digital identity, government innovation, and technology ecosystems. Whether you’re interested in decentralized identity, user adoption strategies, or creating impactful public-private partnerships, this conversation offers valuable insights.

Enjoy the episode, and don’t forget to share it with others who are passionate about the future of identity!

Learn more about QuarkID at https://quarkid.org/.

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In this episode of the Future of Identity podcast, I’m joined by Jeffrey Schwartz, Founder and CEO of Dentity, to discuss the recent acquisition of Trinsic’s SSI platform assets, their ongoing partnership with Trinsic, and the innovations driving decentralized identity adoption. They explore the journey behind Dentity’s success in achieving market traction, building trust, and scaling decentralized identity solutions in the face of market challenges.

In this episode we dive into:

• The strategy behind Dentity’s success and rapid adoption in the decentralized identity market
• The Trinsic Ecosystem, interoperability challenges, and creating user-friendly identity solutions
• The role of interoperability and strategic partnerships in scaling decentralized identity systems
• The future of decentralized identity and the Trinsic Acceptance Network — connecting users, platforms, and networks globally

Whether you're an enterprise, developer, or identity enthusiast, this conversation is packed with insights into the future of identity ecosystems and their transformative potential.

You can learn more about Dentity at dentity.com.

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In this episode of The Future of Identity Podcast, I’m joined by Ajay Gupta, Chief Digital Transformation Officer of the California Department of Motor Vehicles, to discuss California’s groundbreaking mobile driver’s license (mDL) program. From its launch to current adoption trends and future ambitions, this episode provides a comprehensive look at how California is shaping the future of mDLs.

In this episode we explore:

• The adoption and growth rates of California’s mDL program, including demographic insights and usage trends.
• Where mDLs are being used today and the balance between Android and iOS wallet downloads.
• The promising potential of remote verification (online use of mDLs) and why Ajay sees it as the fastest-growing channel for adoption.
• Key lessons for other states, DMVs, and government agencies on engaging stakeholders and demonstrating ROI for mDL programs.
• Practical advice for driving adoption among businesses and other relying parties.

This episode is a must-listen for those interested in the future of digital identity, especially professionals working in government, transportation, or identity ecosystems. Whether you’re curious about the technical, policy, or adoption aspects of mDLs, there’s something here for everyone.

Enjoy the episode, and don’t forget to share it with others who would find value in this discussion!

Learn more about the CA DMV’s mDL hackathon outcomes in a free public briefing webinar on Januaty 10th. Register here.

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In this episode of The Future of Identity Podcast, I’m joined by David Kelts, a leader in digital identity and mobile ID initiatives, with a career that spans significant contributions across multiple companies and initiatives worldwide. David's insights shed light on the journey of mobile driver’s licenses (mDLs), the evolution of identity verification, and his current role at Decipher Identity, where he’s tackling adoption challenges and working with businesses to expand use cases for digital identity.

We explore:

- David's early work at Idemia, including pioneering efforts in connecting driver’s licenses to online identity proofing.
- The origin and adoption challenges of mobile driver’s licenses (mDLs) and why adoption has lagged behind expectations.
- Privacy concerns surrounding digital IDs and the misconception of "phone home" tracking in mobile identity, along with how privacy regulations are influencing this space.
- The role of standards organizations and government agencies, like AMVA and TSA, in fostering privacy and security in digital credentials.
- The future vision for digital identity, including the potential for digital-native identity credentials, cross-border use cases, and the value of user choice in secure digital wallets.

David also shares stories from working directly with states like Utah and California on mDL projects and reflects on what’s needed for broader adoption. This episode is a deep dive into the evolving landscape of digital identity and is perfect for anyone interested in the future of authentication, privacy, and user-centric identity solutions.

You can learn more about Decipher Identity at decipher.id.

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In this episode of The Future of Identity Podcast, I’m joined by Rohan Pinto, Co-founder and CTO of 1Kosmos, a company at the forefront of decentralized identity and passwordless authentication solutions. We explore the evolution of identity management and the journey from blockchain-based beginnings to building secure, user-controlled identity systems that go beyond traditional centralized approaches.

We dive into several key topics, including:

- Rohan’s background in identity and access management, and his transition into building cryptographic solutions that emphasize user control over their identities.
- The role of blockchain as an enabler in identity verification and why it’s not the complete solution to today’s identity challenges.
- 1Kosmos’s unique approach to authentication, including their pivot from blockchain to passwordless access using biometric verification.
- The challenges and potential of user-controlled identity and verifiable credentials, and why widespread adoption has been slower than expected.
- Rohan’s perspective on the future of identity, including how decentralized identifiers and biometrics will reshape how we access systems and interact with digital services.

Rohan shares insights from his new book and offers a deep dive into the complexities and opportunities of building a more secure, user-centric identity ecosystem. This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in the future of identity, security, and the evolving digital landscape.

You can learn more about 1Kosmos at 1kosmos.com.

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In this episode, I’m joined by Calvin Fabre, President and Founder of Envoc, a company that has been at the heart of mobile driver's license (mDL) innovation in Louisiana, a state leading the nation in mDL adoption. Calvin shares the fascinating story of how his company helped bring the country’s first digital driver’s license into reality, starting with a simple idea for a “digital glove box.”

We dive into a variety of topics, including:

- The journey from bidding on payment processing systems to developing a groundbreaking MDL system for the Louisiana DMV
- How Envoc navigated the complexities of legislation and law enforcement adoption to make digital driver's licenses legal for routine traffic stops
- The importance of user feedback in expanding the LA Wallet app to include hunting licenses, concealed carry permits, and even COVID-19 vaccine cards
- The unique role LA Wallet has played in verifying identity remotely, including for disaster relief and online age verification for adult content
- Insights on the future of digital credentials, from frictionless onboarding to the growing adoption of MDLs in industries like banking and retail

Calvin’s expertise offers a deep dive into the future of identity and digital credentials, making this episode a must-listen for anyone interested in the intersection of technology, law enforcement, and secure digital identification.

You can learn more about Envoc at envoc.com.

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In this episode, I sit down with Karyl Fowler, co-founder and CEO of Transmute, a company at the forefront of integrating modern identity technology into global trade. Before founding Transmute, Karyl's work in the semiconductor and bioelectronics industries provided her with unique insights into the complexities of global supply chains.

We explore a variety of topics, including:

• The challenges of digitizing trade documentation and how Transmute is solving the multi-billion dollar paper problem
• The evolution of decentralized identity and its application to physical goods and cross-border commerce
• Key lessons learned from working with regulators and how Transmute has navigated the highly regulated trade industry

Karyl offers valuable perspectives on the future of trade and digital identity, making this an episode you won't want to miss!

You can learn more about Transmute on their website: transmute.industries.

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In this episode, I talk with Kim Hamilton Duffy, the Executive Director of the Decentralized Identity Foundation (DIF). Before her work at DIF, Kim served as the CTO at Learning Machine, an early pioneer in the self-sovereign identity space that was acquired in 2020.

We cover a range of topics, including:

- The early days at Learning Machine and how they acquired their first customers
- The messaging strategies that resonated and the unexpected moves that set them apart, like making it easy for customers to leave
- How adoption exceeded expectations at Learning Machine and how that compares to the current decentralized identity landscape

Kim offers deep insights from her extensive experience in the digital identity ecosystem, making this a conversation you won't want to miss!

You can learn more about DIF on their website: identity.foundation.

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One of the most frequent requests that we get is to record an episode about Trinsic. So this week we’re doing just that because we recently announced the launch of our identity acceptance network in partnership with CLEAR, Yoti, IDVerse, Airside, Dentity, and more than a dozen others.

This episode will outline what identity acceptance is, how Trinsic landed on this approach, and how this might be relevant to you.

If this is interesting to you, we’re hosting a webinar next week which you can learn more about and register at trinsic.id/webinar.

To read more about our identity acceptance network check out the announcement: https://trinsic.id/first-identity-acceptance-network/

Thanks for listening. Feel free to reach out on Twitter at rileyphughes, and visit trinsic.id if you’re interested in participating in our identity acceptance network.

In this episode of The Future of Identity Podcast, I’m joined by Rob White, Head of Samsung Wallet US, to discuss Samsung’s role in the rapidly evolving digital identity ecosystem. From mobile driver’s licenses to the newly launched Samsung ID with CLEAR, Robert shares how Samsung is thinking about identity as a foundational layer for secure digital experiences across its devices and services.

Our conversation explores the challenges and opportunities of scaling digital identity adoption, the importance of balancing security and privacy, and why wallets may play a critical role in addressing the growing trust challenges created by AI-generated fraud and impersonation.

In this episode we explore:

• How Samsung provisions and secures digital IDs, from document verification and liveness checks to state-issued credential delivery.
• Why mobile IDs offer stronger privacy protections than physical credentials through selective disclosure and consent-based sharing.
• The launch of Samsung ID with CLEAR and how it expands access to trusted digital identity beyond states currently issuing mDLs.
• Why AI-driven fraud, synthetic identities, and online impersonation are increasing the urgency for trusted digital credentials.
• How Samsung is working with issuers, identity providers, and relying parties to grow acceptance and accelerate adoption worldwide.

This episode is essential listening for anyone interested in the future of digital wallets, mobile driver’s licenses, and identity verification. Robert offers a unique perspective from one of the world’s largest wallet providers on what it will take to move digital identity from early adoption to mainstream use.

Hope you enjoy the conversation and if it resonates, feel free to share it with others interested in where identity is headed.

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In this episode we talk with Adrian Field, the Director of Market Development at OneID, which is a bank-based identity verification product focused on the UK market.

We cover a range of topics, including:

• How they apply a revenue-share model to incentivize banks to participate in their ecosystem
• The main use cases they’re focusing on in their go-to-market and the drivers that qualify those as good use cases
• How Adrian sees the user experience evolving with emerging standards like verifiable credentials

Adrian has a very good grasp on the digital ID ecosystem and is generous sharing his insights after four years working in this space.

You can learn more about OneID on their website: https://oneid.uk/.

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In today’s episode we spoke with Taylor Liggett, Chief Growth Officer of ID.me, which is the largest reusable ID network in the United States and may be the largest private digital ID network in the world. With over 100 million user wallets and $150 million in revenue, ID.me has figured some things out about reusable ID adoption and monetization.

We talk about how reusable identity reduces the friction required to undergo a verification, and therefore expands the market. Taylor shares specific stats on conversion rates and completion times that are very interesting.

We cover a bunch of tactical topics, like:

• The education process needed to onboard relying parties
• How the go-to-market of a reusable ID product differs from a traditional transaction-based identity verification solution
• ID.me’s decision to prioritize web experiences over requiring a mobile wallet
• The business model ID.me charges its customers

Taylor spoke to some of the common objections that people online and in the media tend to have with ID.me. He did a great job addressing ID.me's tie-in with government, their strategy to build consumer trust in their brand after experiencing both good and bad press, and how they’re thinking about the evolution of interoperability in the space.

You can learn more by visiting the ID.me website.

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On today’s episode we talked with Eric Scouten, Senior Engineering Manager at Adobe, who has been working for the last four years on solving content authenticity. What does that mean? We’ll get into it in the episode, but suffice it to say that it’s an effort to bring trust to content online.

Was the pope really photographed in that puffy jacket? Was the photo of a war zone really taken this week, or is that from several years ago? And we’ll get into how to identify the identity of the individual or business behind the content, in a privacy-preserving way.

We talk about adoption of the C2PA standard, how the content authenticity initiative recruited so many of the most influential tech and media platforms, and how Adobe built the conviction to ship the first versions into production despite a cold start problem.

We also talk about the user experience of content authenticity, both from the creator side and consumer side, and some thornier issues including potential for censorship and deceit.

This is a fascinating episode into an emerging standard that I believe will be an important part of all our lives over the coming years, and example of incredible innovation coming from a large technology company.

You can learn more about the Content Authenticity Alliance at https://contentauthenticity.org/ and you can find more about the C2PA standard at https://c2pa.org/

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On today’s episode we spoke to Adam Gunther, SVP and General Manager of Digital Solutions at Equifax. This was a fascinating conversation about Adam’s journey leading decentralized identity at IBM, moving into an operating role within Equifax, and how their reusable identity strategy has evolved over time.

We talk about tactical factors that are needed for reusable identity adoption, like solutions to liability and common taxonomies for onboarding and recovery. We also talk about how to move forward ambitious identity projects within large enterprises. Listen for Adam’s three rules for getting products off the ground, and why he says “no smart refrigerators.”

You can learn more about Kount, an Equifax Company, on their website and you can find Adam on LinkedIn.

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In this episode we talk with Phil Windley, Sr. Software Development Manager at AWS, Cofounder of IIW, former Chair of Sovrin Foundation. We talked about his experience building and leading the Sovrin Foundation, which at one point was almost synonymous with the term self-sovereign identity. It was set up to be an identity metasystem that would reinvent how identity was done online… and we talk about why it didn’t end up becoming that.

Phil shares lessons from identity systems that got adopted, like the social login metasystem, as well as from things that didn’t get a lot of adoption, like certain identity blockchains and information cards a decade prior. We hope this an interesting episode. We’re glad we got to tell a small part of the Sovrin story as we think a lot of today’s reusable ID projects have their roots in the movement Sovrin started—including Trinsic. 

To learn more about Phil you can visit his personal website https://windley.com/ where you'll find ways to contact him, and buy his new book.

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Today we talked with Nick Thomas, cofounder of Finicity, which was acquired by Mastercard, where Nick went on to be the EVP of Global Open Finance Innovation. Nick has a fascinating career that has paralleled digital identity for a long time, as a cofounder of Bluetooth and FDX, the major open banking standards body in the US. These are both organizations that brought an industry together around common standards to grow the market far bigger for everyone involved—and we talk lessons learned and how this applies to identity.

Nick shares a deep look into Finicity’s story starting as a consumer application and eventually becoming a major data aggregator. Then we dive into Finicity’s journey disrupting themselves by pushing into open banking. We explore the work Finicity did with verifiable credentials as an issuer, and the big challenge that prevented them from rolling it out. You’ll appreciate all of his takes on the parallels between fintech and IDtech.

To learn more about Nick you can find him on LinkedIn. 

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In this episode, we talk with Jacques von Benecke, CTO of DHI, the commercial and investment arm of the government of Bhutan. If you haven’t heard, Bhutan has launched one of the most complete SSI ecosystems in the world! We spent most of the time diving in to how it’s going since launching just a few months ago.

We get into metrics, like how many users have onboarded, and the growth rate over time. We cover use cases, business models, governance, and more! We even cover how they productize wallets for accessibility, and we were amazed to hear they have iOS, Android, and web… but they have 11 other wallet configurations they’ve had to build to cover the whole population!

Most of all it was really interesting to see what can happen when you have top-down mandate to develop better digital identity and a strong technology approach to execute.

To learn more about Bhutan’s National Digital Identity initiative you can visit Bhutan NDI or listen to Jacques' interview on the (un)Trustables podcast.

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In this episode, we talk with Jon Gelsey, founding CEO of Auth0 Inc, which sold to Okta for $6.5B, as well as the CEO of Xnor.ai which he sold to Apple for $200m.

Jon told the story of the early days of Auth0, including how they got their first $1m of revenue. Then we spent time diving in to how new technologies get adopted—Jon even went as far as saying that technology adoption is always incremental, not revolutionary.

Then we talk about the role of big tech, and why he doesn’t think reusable identity will be dominated by massive incumbents. That led us to talk about what he would do if he were running a company whose business model could be cannibalized by reusable identity, which is that he would look to disrupt himself in a safe way.

This was a rare look into some great advice from one of our industry’s best operators.

To learn more about Jon, you can visit his LinkedIn profile.

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In this episode, we sit down with Harrison Tang, Co-founder and & CEO of Spokeo, which is a “people search engine”. Spokeo aggregates many sources of data about people and sells that data to verifiers. So at first blush, Harrison is an unlikely person to be a massive advocate for SSI and co-chair of the W3C Credentials Community Group.

We dig in to why Spokeo cares about verifiable credentials, and how verifiable credentials represent the opportunity to deliver more trust to Spokeo’s customers and how they allow Spokeo to participate in the next wave of digital identity innovation. We also explore complex concepts like negative reputation and how AI will impact the personal data landscape. We finish out by talking about what current IDtech companies can learn from Spokeo’s early go-to-market and what it will take to get verifiable credential adoption.

To learn more about Spokeo visit https://www.spokeo.com/ or follow Spokeo on social media (@Spokeo). You can find Harrison on social media as well (@tang_talks) and keep up with his latest thinking through his podcast ‘Tang Talks’.

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In this episode, we chat with Carlos Korten, Co-founder & Chief Product Officer of Bindle Systems. Bindle built one of the largest private-sector deployments of decentralized identity in the USA, and Carlos shares tons of stories from the trenches of getting hundreds of thousands of consumers on board.

We dive in to the go-to-market strategies Bindle employed, including how they sold directly to verifiers, and how if they could do it over again, Carlos would focus even more narrowly on verifiers. We talk about their business model and what they learned about making money with verifiable credentials. And we talk about some of Carlos’ hard-earned lessons that he recommends to anyone building an IDtech product.

From discussing the founding of Bindle, its journey through the pandemic, and then the decision to pivot away from a COVID product, Carlos and Riley’s discussion makes for an engaging episode.

To contact Carlos or to learn more about Bindle’s current focus, reach out to carlos@bindlesystems.com.

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In this episode of The Future of Identity Podcast, I’m joined by Amit Sharma, Global Head of Digital Strategy at IDEMIA Public Security, to explore a more foundational question than usual: why digital identity matters right now. Rather than focusing on a single deployment or ecosystem, this conversation zooms out to examine how accelerating AI capabilities, data exploitation, and digital-first lives are reshaping the role of identity in society.

Our discussion connects big-picture philosophy with real-world infrastructure - covering everything from verifiable credentials and mobile driver’s licenses to identity acceptance networks and the economics of data. Amit shares a compelling perspective on why the current model of identity - built around detection, data aggregation, and exploitation - is breaking down, and what needs to replace it.

In this episode we explore:

• Why AI and agentic systems are breaking traditional fraud detection models - and forcing a shift toward proving authenticity instead of detecting bad actors.
• How verifiable digital credentials enable trust-first identity, reducing reliance on data brokers and improving both security and user experience.
• The role of identity acceptance networks in unlocking real-world utility for credentials like mDLs across industries.
• Why today’s data economy is fundamentally misaligned, and how user-controlled identity could reshape incentives around privacy and monetization.
• The importance of incremental progress over perfection, and why deploying imperfect digital ID systems today is critical to driving adoption and learning.

This episode is essential listening for anyone thinking about the future of identity beyond just technology - spanning business models, regulation, AI, and the fundamental question of how we build a more trustworthy digital world. Amit brings a rare combination of policy, security, and commercial perspective to one of the most important shifts happening in identity today.

I hope you enjoy the conversation and if it resonates, feel free to share it with others interested in where identity is headed.

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In this episode, we sit down with Nate Soffio, Co-founder and & CEO of Portabl. Nate is applying decentralized identity to fintech and open banking, which is such an important but also challenging use case.

We discuss the ins and outs of Portabl’s user experience and how it differs from other reusable KYC products. Nate also provides insight into lessons learned, deliberate product decisions Portable has made, and common mistakes he has seen IDtech founders make.

This episode should be useful for anyone interested in fintech or adding SSI to their identity stack.

To contact Nate or to learn more about Portabl, reach out to hello@getportabl.com.

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In this episode, we speak with Andrew Black, Managing Director of ConnectID, which is part of Australian Payments Plus. Andrew, who is an expert in the convergence of IDtech and open banking, sheds light on a unique approach to building bank-backed digital identity and the user experience that it enables. It was fascinating to unpack the role governance plays in ConnectID with some tangible examples, and analyze how the UX of an identity exchange differs from that of an identity wallet.

We also speculate a bit on why both true open banking and true interoperable digital identity have weaker-than-expected adoption, and how to balance solving business problems with building a future we all want to live in.

To contact Andrew, you can reach out on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-black-a5118239/. Learn more about ConnectID at https://connectid.com.au/.

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In this episode, we sit down with Sarah Clark, SVP of Digital Identity at Mastercard, to discuss Mastercard’s ID network.

As one of the world’s largest payments networks, Mastercard has been on the leading edge of reusable identity. Sarah takes us into Mastercard’s corporate strategy related to identity, plus some of the specific go-to-market strategies the company has employed in Australia and Brazil where its network is live.

The conversation continues as Sarah explains why now is the time for reusable identity to take off. We discuss the challenges relying parties and traditional identity verification companies face with the advent of reusable identity as well as how tech giants like Apple and Google will play a role.

And as always, we end the conversation by delving into why Sarah believes that digital identity is the best place to be if you want to work in the cutting edge of technology.

To contact Sarah, you can reach out to her on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarahmclark/. She is also available at sarah.clark@mastercard.com.

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In this episode, we sit down with Keith Uber, VP of Sales Engineering at Ubisecure, to discuss the role of verifiable credentials in identity and access management.

Keith shares his insights on Organizational Identity and how vLEIs change the game, create new business opportunities, and unlock efficiencies for representatives of businesses to transact more seamlessly.

Keith also shares his perspective on how Ubisecure is engaging with the eIDAS 2.0 and European Identity Wallet initiatives on the consumer identity side.

We explore the fascinating overlap between Organizational Identity and Consumer Identity. While Ubisecure’s focus is in the EU market, there are loads of insights that will be helpful to people building IDtech products around the world.

To learn more about Ubisecure, visit https://www.ubisecure.com/.

Be sure to check out Ubisecure’s podcast titled ‘Let's Talk About Digital Identity’ at https://www.ubisecure.com/lets-talk-about-digital-identity-podcast/.

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Today’s guest is Ankur Patel, Head of Product at Entra Verified ID which is Microsoft’s decentralized identity product. We begin the conversation by reviewing Microsoft’s storied history of identity initiatives, and why one of the world’s most valuable companies made decentralized identity one of their major focus areas.

We dive into the recent announcement about verifiable credentials on LinkedIn, which allows companies to issue employment credentials, so LinkedIn members can truly prove they actually work at the organization listed on their LinkedIn profile.

Ankur is one of the pioneers in decentralized identity and his perspective on why enterprises are adopting decentralized identity is fascinating.

Reach out to Ankur on Twitter (@_AnkurPatel) or LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/4ankurpatel/). To learn more about Microsoft Entra Verified ID visit the following two links:

• https://aka.ms/verifyonce
• https://aka.ms/didfordevs

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Today’s guest is Eric Starr, Co-founder & CEO of UltraPass ID—an IDtech product for governments.

Eric shares his story trying to solve civic problems through the political system via Andrew Yang’s presidential campaign and how he ended up starting a company to reimagine how citizens interact with government.

We go through the problem caused by many government silos of personal data, why Eric landed on verifiable credentials to solve the problem, and why governments are a challenging but super important segment to target because they hold the keys to verifiable credential adoption.

Eric is convinced that solving problems for government stakeholders with real solutions, not with technological dogma, is the way verifiable credentials will be adopted.

Reach out and connect with Eric and his team at https://www.ultrapassid.com/.

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Today’s guest is Timothy Ruff, General Partner at Digital Trust Ventures. Timothy is an early pioneer of self-sovereign identity as a co-founder of Evernym, a co-creator of Sovrin, and an advisor to several IDtech startups. Timothy has countless battle scars from being on the ground floor of so much innovation in the decentralized identity space.

In this episode, we discuss the difference between a use case and a business case and how to bridge the gap. We also talk about the humility required to change your mind about your idea when you’re wrong. And one of the most pivotal things Timothy has changed his mind about in recent years is that blockchain isn’t needed for SSI. We close by talking about where Timothy thinks the most ripe path to verifiable credential adoption lies in the near term.

Multiple resources for SSI entrepreneurs are recommended within the episode and are listed below:

• The Cold Start Problem - Andrew Chen (Book)
• Running Lean by Ash Maurya - (Book)
• Disciplined Entrepreneurship by Bill Aulet - (Book)
• Without Their Permission by Alexis Ohanian - (Book)

To reach out to Timothy, email him at timothy@digitaltrust.vc

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Today’s guest is Manny Nijjar, co-founder and CEO of Truu, which is a healthcare-focused IDtech product that’s been involved in one of the most impressive production verifiable credentials rollouts to date. Their platform, alongside a handful of other vendors, helped the largest health system in the world respond to the COVID-19 pandemic—all while Manny was also serving on the front lines as an infectious disease doctor, leading his hospital’s COVID-19 response.

The main takeaway from this episode is that involving end-users in your product development is key. You’ll hear how the biggest barriers for the NHS staff passport were not technology problems but user experience and adoption problems. And as an end-user of his own product, nobody can speak better about these points than Manny. He then breaks down those learnings and how he’s applied them to adjust both the product and go-to-market approaches he’s taking at Truu.

This is an amazing opportunity for IDtech builders to shortcut the trial-and-error process of launching a product, by hearing what worked, what didn’t, and what Truu is doing about it next.

To learn more about Truu or to contact Manny, email manreet@truu.id. Visit Truu’s website at https://www.truu.id/.

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Today’s guest is Evin McMullen, co-founder and CEO of Disco.xyz.

We start and end this episode with Evin framing identity as the coolest, most interesting thing people should be working on. She paints such a compelling picture in language that’s so accessible, and she shares tips on how the rest of us can level up our messaging to attract more users as well.

We break down Disco’s product and the origin of their term of choice—the “data backpack”. We go into some of the choices they made in their journey, including how NFTs and verifiable credentials relate in web3, and how they’ve tackled the 3-sided cold-start problem most IDtech businesses face. We also spent some time talking about the factors that make now such a compelling moment in time for digital identity and IDtech product builders.

Evin is easily one of the most fun people in the digital identity world. She has such a way of taking complex things and turning them into snack-able bits of content. If you don’t come out of this episode with a new pithy way to describe digital identity, you should probably go back and listen again because there are so many useful takeaways.

To get your very first data backpack, visit app.disco.xyz. Learn more about Disco at disco.xyz, and follow Disco on Twitter @discxoxyz. Follow Evin on Twitter at @provenauthority. And feel free to join Disco's Discord community.

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Today’s guest is Paul Ashley, CTO and co-CEO of Anonyome Labs. Paul starts by talking about how the erosion of privacy online and the rise of data brokers and surveillance capitalism led them to create their IDtech product MySudo. MySudo is a privacy application that allows users to create secure digital profiles, or personas, with unique disposable phone numbers, emails, credit cards, and other identifiers to use across the internet.

With hundreds of thousands of users, MySudo has defied conventional wisdom that consumers won’t pay for identity services, making it among a handful of successful, sustainable IDtech businesses. Paul breaks down how they’ve succeeded by taking a practical product approach and by talking about use cases rather than features.

Our conversation naturally led to a discussion about how decentralized identity fits into their roadmap, which Paul called the biggest privacy breakthrough of the next decade. We talk about some of the opportunities and challenges in this nascent space, including navigating the complex technology landscape, how to find good problems for decentralized identity to solve first, and how their experience building what some would call a “web2” identity product is informing the way they tackle the UX of verifiable credentials.

This is a conversation that will interest anyone who has a passion for privacy and safety online and will be very insightful for anyone building a consumer identity product.

To learn more about MySudo and Anonyome Labs or to get in contact with a team member, visit https://anonyome.com/.

Download MySudo on the Apple Store. Download MySudo on Google Play.

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In this episode of The Future of Identity Podcast, I’m joined by Robin Tombs, co-founder and CEO of Yoti, one of the earliest and most widely adopted reusable digital identity wallets globally. Robin shares the long journey behind Yoti - from early frustrations with knowledge-based identity checks to building a biometric, user-controlled identity app years before reusable identity became a mainstream concept.

Our conversation explores what it really takes to build a reusable identity network from the ground up. Robin reflects on the challenges of solving the cold start problem, navigating regulatory friction, and earning user trust, while steadily growing Yoti to over 23 million downloads across multiple markets. We also dig into how adoption is finally accelerating as governments, businesses, and users begin to align around the value of portable, privacy-preserving identity.

In this episode we explore:

• Why knowledge-based verification failed and how biometrics and document verification changed the game.
• The realities of the cold start problem in identity and why utility and acceptance must grow together.
• How regulation both slows and unlocks adoption, from right-to-work checks to age verification laws.
• The importance of trust frameworks and certification in helping relying parties confidently accept reusable identity.
• Why acceptance networks are critical to scaling identity ecosystems and ensuring wallets can be used everywhere they matter.

This episode is essential listening for anyone building or investing in digital identity. Robin offers a rare, candid look at what it takes to persist through a decade-long journey in identity and why the next phase of growth will be driven by interoperability, networks, and real-world utility.

Enjoy the episode, and don’t forget to share it with others who are passionate about the future of identity!

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Today’s guest is Sebastian Mellen, Co-founder and CEO of Cerebrum. His team is building an IDtech product called vID, tackling data and compliance problems in healthcare, HR systems, and even youth sports teams.

In this conversation, we cut right to some meaty topics, including some of the biggest challenges that IDtech products tend to face. Sebastian gives insight into Cerebrum’s trojan horse go-to-market strategy into large corporates, how they’ve translated self-sovereign identity language into “enterprise speak”, how they’ve addressed the chicken-and-egg problem that exists in many IDtech ecosystems, and much more.

Sebastian’s perspective on the importance of forming strategic partnerships to break into regulated industries will be super useful to other IDtech product builders.

Learn more about Cerebrum at https://www.cerebrum.com/. Reach out to Sebastian on Twitter.

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Today’s guest is Chris Ingrao, a co-founder of Lumedic—a company whose mission it was to transform the patient experience in the US healthcare market. Lumedic launched an IDtech product in production and was on the brink of several incredible adoption breakthroughs, but through internal reorganization, its potential unfortunately was not realized.

In this episode, Chris takes us on a journey from Lumedic’s founding, to acquisition, to innovating inside a massive health system where they truly had the ability to build an ecosystem from the ground up.

Chris shares a tremendous amount of wisdom from his three years working on thorny, multi-stakeholder problems in healthcare. He touches on the nuance of designing an economic model where all parties are aligned, and how to establish trust between a large group of stakeholders.

You’ll be fascinated to hear how close 30 millions patients were to having access to verifiable immunization records in their mobile wallets, and tens of millions of dollars of savings were on the line if they were successful. And yet, sometimes the biggest barriers are not technology barriers.

Lumedic’s story definitely needed to be told—there are so many lessons for IDtech builders in a variety of industries.

You can reach out to Chris on LinkedIn.

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Today’s guest is Katrie Lowe, Co-founder and CEO of Domi Labs. We start the conversation talking about how Berlin’s hyper-competitive rental market led Katrie to build a digital rental passport to streamline the experience for property managers and tenants to exchange information in a rental process. We go on to talk about Domi’s product experience, including the clever ways their product implements verifiable credentials to crack what she calls the “SSI trust triangle.”

Katrie then breaks down why Domi chose to focus on a very specific use case in the real estate vertical. A theme of this episode is focus, and that focus has led to a super deep understanding of the value propositions that Domi’s customers are willing to pay for. The answer is surprising. We’ll give you a hint—it doesn’t have to do with self-sovereignty, decentralization, or privacy. And despite that, it was fascinating to hear Katrie break down why Domi chose to build their IDtech product using self-sovereign identity anyway.

Learn more about Domi Labs at https://domilabs.io/ and on LinkedIn. Reach out to Katrie on LinkedIn.

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Today’s guest is Jeffrey Schwartz, Founder & CEO of Dentity whose mission is to make the internet a safer place for people everywhere. Jeffrey’s background in the automotive industry (of all places) opened his eyes to the need for better digital identity. He co-founded Dentity to solve the trust problem in peer-to-peer transactions and discusses the surprising breadth of use cases they’re already tackling, from frat parties to notaries.

Jeffrey then drops loads of knowledge about what he’s learned building a consumer product, from the user experience and onboarding lessons learned, to the messaging that resonates with consumers and businesses (including overcoming the baggage with the term “web3”).

Jeffrey continues with a bit of a hot take about the role of industry working groups and standards bodies, and how he prefers doing over talking. He explains how their single-minded focus on customers and product has been key to their success, and how they’ve balanced developing a great user-experience with the principles of self-sovereign identity.

Learn more about Dentity at https://www.dentity.com/ and reach out to Jeffrey (jeffrey (at) dentity.com).

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Welcome to The Future of Identity. Normally, show host Riley Hughes (Co-founder & CEO of Trinsic) talks to the people building IDtech products, but the purpose of this solo episode is to introduce the purpose of the podcast.

In this short episode, Riley covers:

1. The future of identity and why it is better
2. How great products will get us there
3. Why now is the right time—IDtech is the new Fintech
4. Why the identity space needs a term like “IDtech”
5. What to expect from The Future of Identity podcast

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In this episode of The Future of Identity Podcast, I’m joined by Ross Freiman-Mendel, Head of Product Growth at Persona, to explore the shift from one-off, siloed KYC toward network-based and reusable identity products. Ross walks through Persona’s consumer and enterprise identity networks, including Reusable Personas, Persona Connect, and emerging work on Know Your Agent (KYA), and explains why redundant verification has become one of the biggest unsolved problems in identity.

Our conversation goes deep on the practical realities of building reusable identity at scale. Ross shares concrete adoption metrics, including 2× higher conversion rates, significantly faster completion times, and why over 90% of Persona customers are now activated on the network. We also unpack how network-based identity improves fraud detection while simultaneously reducing user friction - one of the rare win-win scenarios in identity.

In this episode we explore:

• Why redundant KYC is breaking onboarding experiences and how transferable identity solves it.
• The difference between consumer-owned identity wallets (Reusable Personas) and enterprise-to-enterprise sharing (Persona Connect).
• How network-based identity acts as a trust signal, improving fraud outcomes without global blocklists.
• Where mobile driver’s licenses and digital wallets fit into Persona’s platform-agnostic acceptance strategy.
• Why AI agents are accelerating the need for identity portability and what Know Your Agent could look like in practice.

This episode is essential listening for anyone building or buying identity verification technology. Ross offers a grounded, metrics-driven perspective on how reusable identity is finally moving from theory to production and why networks, not standalone checks, will define the next era of digital trust.

Enjoy the episode, and don’t forget to share it with others who are passionate about the future of identity!

Learn more about Persona.

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In this episode of The Future of Identity Podcast, I’m joined by Chris Goh, former National Harmonisation Lead for Australia’s mobile driver’s licenses (mDLs) and the architect behind Queensland’s digital driver’s license. Chris played a pivotal role in driving national alignment across states and territories, culminating in the 2024 agreement to adopt ISO mDoc/mDL standards for mobile driver’s licenses and photo IDs across Australia and New Zealand.

Our conversation dives into Australia’s path from early blockchain experiments to a unified, standards-based approach - one that balances innovation, security, and accessibility. Chris shares lessons from real-world deployments, cultural challenges like “flash passes,” and how both Australia and New Zealand are building digital ID ecosystems ready for global interoperability.

In this episode we explore:

• Why mDoc became the foundation: Offline + online verification, PKI-based trust, and modular architecture enabling scalable, interoperable credentials.
• From Hyperledger to harmony: Lessons from early decentralized trials and how certification and conformance reduce fragmentation.
• Balancing innovation and standardization: Why agility and stability must coexist to keep identity ecosystems moving forward.
• The cultural realities of adoption: How flash passes, retail constraints, and public education shaped Australia’s rollout strategy.
• The road ahead: How national trust lists, privacy “contracts,” and delegated authority could define the next phase of digital identity in the region.

This episode is essential listening for anyone building or implementing digital credentials, whether you’re a policymaker, issuer, verifier, or technology provider. Chris offers a clear, grounded perspective on what it really takes to move from pilots to national-scale digital identity infrastructure.

Enjoy the episode, and don’t forget to share it with others who are passionate about the future of identity!

Learn more about Valid8.

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In this episode of The Future of Identity Podcast, I’m joined by Thomas Mayfield, Head of Decentralized Trust & Identity Solutions at the Cardano Foundation. Thomas leads the development of the Veridian Wallet, an open-source digital identity platform built on the KERI (Key Event Receipt Infrastructure) protocol and funded by the Foundation.

Our conversation explores the rapidly evolving Web3 digital identity ecosystem—and how Veridian aims to bridge Web2 and Web3 with universal interoperable identifiers that cut through today’s fragmented identity landscape. We also dig into the growing urgency to rebuild digital trust as data breaches, ransomware, and AI-powered threats escalate.

In this episode we explore:

• Why interoperability—across Web2, Web3, and beyond—is essential to breaking down identity “walled gardens.”
• How the KERI protocol enables quantum-proof, tamper-evident, and recoverable identifiers for individuals, organizations, and AI agents.
• Real-world adoption: how the United Nations is using Veridian for organizational identity and passwordless authentication.
• The potential for verifiable IoT and AI agent identities to transform trust in machine-to-machine and human-to-machine interactions.
• How developers can leverage Veridian’s open-source infrastructure, sandbox environments, and tooling to build secure, compliant identity solutions faster.
• The role of regulation in driving adoption—and why future-proofing identity systems now could save billions in breach-related costs.

This episode is essential listening for anyone working on decentralized identity—whether you’re building infrastructure, integrating identity into products, or shaping policy. Thomas offers a rare, in-depth look at how to design for both future-proof security and real-world interoperability.

Enjoy the episode, and don’t forget to share it with others who are passionate about the future of identity!

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On this episode we spoke with Teresa Wu, Vice President of Smart Credentials and Access at IDEMIA. IDEMIA has been involved with many U.S. states for their mobile IDs, including New York, Arizona, Iowa, Delaware and more. Very few people on earth have more experience than Teresa working with governments to issue digital credentials.

We asked her what would encourage more states to launch mobile IDs and drive end-user adoption. Her response was: more relying party use cases. So, we spent most of our conversation exploring questions like:

• Should relying parties wait to adopt until standards mature and more people have digital IDs?
• How can relying parties get started now?
• How much should the industry channel its energy towards innovation vs. standardization?
• How will the wallet landscape evolve? Will operating system wallets dominate, or will there be lots of wallets?

We closed out by covering the lessons Teresa has learned through all this experience for public servants. I think this conversation will be relevant to anybody interested in digital IDs, either on the issuance or acceptance side.

You can find Teresa on Linkedin and learn more about IDEMIA on their website.

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On today’s episode we spoke to Rebekah Johnson, Founder & CEO of Numeracle. This was a fascinating conversation about Rebekah’s journey starting Numeracle in 2016 to bring trust back to business communications by tackling robocalling and spam in the telecom ecosystem.

We talk about how Numeracle became an early identity issuer in telecom through the implementation of STIR/SHAKEN protocols which have now rolled out to subscribers of carriers like T-Mobile and how she overcame the classic chicken-and-egg problem of launching before carriers were ready. We also discuss how the business identity ecosystem compares to consumer digital identity, and what companies should do when they know a new standard is coming (like eIDAS 2.0), but it’s not here yet.

We finish by exploring modern AI's impact on communications, including how to preserve trust when automated agents or AI-powered voice calls are part of the conversation.

You can learn more about Numeracle at numeracle.com and connect with Rebekah on LinkedIn.

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