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Learning Economics As Anarchist W/ Brooke From Strangers In A Tangled Wilderness
Season 3
Saturday, June 13, 2026 ā¢ Duration 01:32:09
What can economics teach anarchists, organizers, and people trying to build a different world?
Jordan sits down with Brooke of Strangers in a Tangled Wilderness and Live Like the World Is Dying for a conversation on economics, anarchism, and building alternatives to capitalism. Brooke shares her journey from journalism student to economist, bookkeeper, and organizer while breaking down economic concepts in accessible terms. Together, they explore how economic systems shape our lives, why understanding them matters for social change, and what cooperative, participatory, and anarchist approaches to economics might look like in practice.
From central banking and inflation to co-ops, buying clubs, and collective ownership, this episode is an invitation to think critically about how we organize resources
(ENG) The Anarchist Group In Sudan On Why We Need Anarchism
Saturday, May 23, 2026 ā¢ Duration 26:57
In this episode, Fawaz and Dr. Mohamed Abdou continue their conversation on anarchism, authoritarianism, and the future of resistance in Sudan and beyond. Beginning with the question āDo we need anarchism?ā, the discussion explores anarchism not as a rigid ideology or replacement religion, but as a living culture of freedom, mutual aid, and resistance to domination. Together, they examine how authoritarianism reproduces itself through the modern state, capitalism, propaganda, nationalism, and even within revolutionary movements themselves.
The episode dives into the limits of armed struggle in Sudan, the failures of nationalist and Marxist movements, and the dangers of revolutionary groups becoming authoritarian structures of their own. Fawaz reflects on the Sudanese revolution, the collapse of resistance committees, the rise of militias like the RSF, and why many armed movements ultimately become absorbed into the systems they claim to fight. The conversation also explores spirituality, Islamic anarchism, anti-colonial struggle, and the importance of building counter-propaganda and grassroots systems rooted in solidarity rather than hierarchy.
From the Zapatistas to Palestine, from the Makhnovists to Sudanās local mutual aid networks, this episode asks what real liberation could look like in a world shaped by empire, war, and centralized power. Rather than offering easy answers, the conversation challenges listeners to think critically about revolution, culture, violence, and how communities can build alternatives beyond the state.
English Transcript: substack.com/pub/tdugout/p/eng-the-anarchist-group-in-sudan
CHAPTERS
00:00 Episode Intro and Links
01:22 Why We Need Anarchism
05:16 Belonging and Practice
06:31 Martyrdom and Organization
09:01 Islamic Anarchism and State Power
12:54 Counter Propaganda in Revolution
17:00 Goals of Anarchism
(ENG) The Anarchist Group In Sudan On Building A Third Line
Monday, May 18, 2026 ā¢ Duration 27:46
In this episode, Sudanese anarchist organizer Fawaz joins Dr. Mohamed Abdou for a wide-ranging conversation on the war in Sudan, authoritarianism, colonialism, and the struggle for liberation beyond the state. Together, they unpack the roots of the conflict between the Sudanese army and the RSF, tracing how colonial borders, militarized tribal divisions, resource extraction, and regional powers have shaped decades of violence and displacement. The discussion explores how authoritarian systems manufacture chaos in order to sustain control, while ordinary people are left to survive genocide, war economies, and social fragmentation.
The episode also examines the relationship between spirituality, anarchism, and resistance, questioning how religion, nationalism, and identity are weaponized by both colonial and post-colonial states. Fawaz and Dr. Abdou reflect on the construction of violence, the manipulation of children and communities through fear, and the failures of both capitalist and authoritarian leftist projects across the world. At the same time, they highlight traditions of mutual aid, self-organization, and local survival networks already emerging in Sudan through community-run schools, hospitals, and grassroots support systems.
Rather than offering simple answers, this conversation challenges dominant narratives around āstability,ā international law, and liberation politics, while arguing for a āthird lineā independent of both military factions and foreign powers. From Darfur to Gaza, from the Arab Spring to anarchist organizing in Sudan, this episode is a deep discussion on resistance, dignity, pluralism, and what it means to build genuinely liberatory movements in the shadow of empire.
Before the city of Philadelphia dropped a bomb on a Black neighborhood, MOVE spent over a decade building one of the most uncompromising radical organizations in American history. Founded by John Africa in the early 1970s, MOVE combined Black liberation politics with a sweeping critique of modern civilization ā technology, education, government, and "the system" itself. In this episode, we trace MOVE's arc from their communal house in Powelton Village to the 1978 standoff that sent nine members to prison, to the catastrophic 1985 bombing that killed 11 people and burned down 61 homes. Along the way, we wrestle with hard questions: What made MOVE so compelling ā and so controversial? What does the state's response tell us about the limits of Black radical organizing? And what do we do with organizations that cause harm while also facing tremendous repression?
11:17 MOVE's origins: John Africa, *The Guidelines*, and life in Powelton Village
23:20 The 1978 Powelton Village standoff, the MOVE 9, and the road to the 1985 bombing
29:08 The complicated history: internal conflict, harm allegations, and neighbor relations
29:35 MOVE's beliefs, the GUIDELINES, and how they organized day-to-day
37:15 Discussion: Is being disruptive or playing the "vanguard" actually useful in revolutionary movements?
40:20 Hierarchy, accountability, and how power worked (and didn't) inside MOVE
46:45 Allegations of harm within MOVE and Mike Africa Jr.'s role in the organization's legacy today
51:30 When is Black separatism a useful political strategy?
01:00:00 Outro
(ARABIC) The Anarchist Group In Sudan On Why We Need Anarchism
Thursday, May 7, 2026 ā¢ Duration 01:22:21
In this episode, Fawaz and Dr. Mohamed Abdou continue their conversation on anarchism, authoritarianism, and the future of resistance in Sudan and beyond. Beginning with the question āDo we need anarchism?ā, the discussion explores anarchism not as a rigid ideology or replacement religion, but as a living culture of freedom, mutual aid, and resistance to domination. Together, they examine how authoritarianism reproduces itself through the modern state, capitalism, propaganda, nationalism, and even within revolutionary movements themselves.
The episode dives into the limits of armed struggle in Sudan, the failures of nationalist and Marxist movements, and the dangers of revolutionary groups becoming authoritarian structures of their own. Fawaz reflects on the Sudanese revolution, the collapse of resistance committees, the rise of militias like the RSF, and why many armed movements ultimately become absorbed into the systems they claim to fight. The conversation also explores spirituality, Islamic anarchism, anti-colonial struggle, and the importance of building counter-propaganda and grassroots systems rooted in solidarity rather than hierarchy.
From the Zapatistas to Palestine, from the Makhnovists to Sudanās local mutual aid networks, this episode asks what real liberation could look like in a world shaped by empire, war, and centralized power. Rather than offering easy answers, the conversation challenges listeners to think critically about revolution, culture, violence, and how communities can build alternatives beyond the state.
(ARABIC) The Anarchist Group In Sudan On Building A Third Line
Thursday, May 7, 2026 ā¢ Duration 01:32:37
In this debut episode, Sudanese anarchist organizer Fawaz joins Dr. Mohamed Abdou for a wide-ranging conversation on the war in Sudan, authoritarianism, colonialism, and the struggle for liberation beyond the state. Together, they unpack the roots of the conflict between the Sudanese army and the RSF, tracing how colonial borders, militarized tribal divisions, resource extraction, and regional powers have shaped decades of violence and displacement. The discussion explores how authoritarian systems manufacture chaos in order to sustain control, while ordinary people are left to survive genocide, war economies, and social fragmentation.
The episode also examines the relationship between spirituality, anarchism, and resistance, questioning how religion, nationalism, and identity are weaponized by both colonial and post-colonial states. Fawaz and Dr. Abdou reflect on the construction of violence, the manipulation of children and communities through fear, and the failures of both capitalist and authoritarian leftist projects across the world. At the same time, they highlight traditions of mutual aid, self-organization, and local survival networks already emerging in Sudan through community-run schools, hospitals, and grassroots support systems.
Rather than offering simple answers, this conversation challenges dominant narratives around āstability,ā international law, and liberation politics, while arguing for a āthird lineā independent of both military factions and foreign powers. From Darfur to Gaza, from the Arab Spring to anarchist organizing in Sudan, this episode is a deep discussion on resistance, dignity, pluralism, and what it means to build genuinely liberatory movements in the shadow of empire.
Read English transcript on our Substack: open.substack.com/pub/tdugout/p/arabic-the-anarchist-group-in-sudan
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Rafales: Black Autonomy & Prefigurative Politics (In Conversation in Montreal)
We sat down with Zoya, one of the organizers, to dig into what Black autonomy actually looks like in practice: as theory, as daily organizing, and as a framework that refuses to wait for someone else's revolution to be finished first. From prefigurative politics to Afro-pessimism, from the Black Liberation Army to Cooperation Jackson, from Standing Rock to the Anarchist Group in Sudan, this conversation traces the lineage of Black radical struggle across generations and geographies. We also get into what it means to show up as Black folks in a diaspora full of contradictions; navigating immigrant families, queer identity, settler land, and the ever-present question of who solidarity is actually for.
A Constellation Of Revolutions: An Interview with JAMES STOUT
Season 3
Saturday, April 25, 2026 ā¢ Duration 01:49:01
In this episode, we sit down with James Stout, a conflict reporter and author of Against the State: Anarchists and Comrades at War in Spain, Myanmar, and Rojava, to talk about solidarity, journalism, and what it means to document struggle without reproducing the logic of the state.
The conversation moves through communes, gardens, and the small everyday ways people resist, before digging into solidarity journalism and rejecting the myth of objectivity.
From there, we get into the core ideas behind his book, including lessons from Myanmarās decentralized resistance, debates around anarchist military formations, and what history teaches us from Spain to today. We unpack questions of violence, accountability, dual power, alongside reflections on internationalism and unity under pressure.
We close with advice for ethical journalists, thoughts on revolutionary strategy, and a reminder that even in the harshest conditions, kindness and solidarity remain central to building a different world.
How We Make THE DUGOUT (step by step guide to making a Black radical podcast)
Season 3
Monday, April 20, 2026 ā¢ Duration 36:51
Ever wondered how an episode of The Dugout comes together? We take you behind the scenes of how we make The Dugout: from how the podcast started, to researching topics, booking guests, recording, editing, and posting episodes online. We break down our full process, talk about the challenges of building independent media, and share what goes into making a Black anarchist podcast with limited resources. Like, comment, and subscribe for more behind-the-scenes content from The Dugout.
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00:00 Intro
02:21 How We Started THE DUGOUT
06:35 How we PLAN podcast episodes
10:13 Behind The Scenes - How We Interview
15:04 How we RECORD the podcast
21:01 On POST PRODUCTION (editing audio, programs, etc)
30:24 Uploading our podcast to platforms
35:04 Outro
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The Movement Is Not Stagnant: Interview With ZOLO AZANIA | BLACK PANTHER SPEAKS
Season 3
Sunday, April 12, 2026 ā¢ Duration 01:34:38
This episode traces a powerful political and personal journey, from early childhood memories and family roots in Missouri to a deep engagement with Black radical politics, incarceration, and revolutionary thought. Beginning with formative lessons from family and life on the land, the conversation moves through experiences of schooling, racial identity, and the impact of media in shaping self image and political awareness.
A turning point emerges during Black History Week, opening the door to a broader understanding of history, resistance, and imagination. From there, we explore the influence of civil rights struggles, the demographic and political landscape of Gary, Indiana, and the role of figures like Malcolm X in shaping a generationās consciousness. The episode dives into the rise of the Black Panther Party, why it resonated so deeply, and how state repression, especially through COINTELPRO, targeted radical movements.
We also examine the role of prison as a site of political education, the importance of reading and self reeducation, and the challenges of confronting propaganda and internalized narratives. The conversation expands outward to connect Black liberation struggles with global movements, including the Spanish Civil War and broader communist traditions.
01:03 Early Childhood Memories 01:59 Grandfather Finger Lesson 04:10 Family Roots in Missouri 05:59 New Madrid and the Earthquake 07:14 Moving to Gary Indiana 07:32 School Testing and Fear 12:03 Black History Week Awakening 13:54 Imagination Einstein and Daydreaming 16:48 Farm Life and Learning Nature 18:19 First Politics and Civil Rights TV 18:59 Race Language and Identity 22:34 Parents Work and Numbers Racket 24:31 Racist Books and Colorism 25:49 Freedom Riders and Gary Demographics 29:11 Malcolm X Guns and Media 32:20 Cartoons and Stereotypes 38:29 Trouble Draft and Panthers 44:02 Why the Panthers Resonated 46:11 Panthers on the News 48:25 Citizen Arrests and Armed Patrols 50:47 Prison Mentors and Fred Hampton 52:53 COINTELPRO Exposed 54:49 Reeducation Through Reading 55:24 TV, Propaganda, and Self Image 01:06:33 Teaching Youth Behind Bars 01:09:07 Writing in Plain Language 01:12:21 Schooling and Hidden History 01:20:38 Republic of New Africa Roots 01:21:56 Spanish Civil War and Communism 01:30:23 People Senate Call to Action
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