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#172: Content Strategy | Building a Brand Strategy and Content Goldmine with Chelsea Castle, Head of Content and Brand at Close02 Sep 202400:55:19

Dave sits down with Chelsea Castle, Head of Content and Brand at Close. Chelsea talks about her experience in B2B SaaS and shares how to build impactful content that resonates with your audience.

Chelsea and Dave cover:

  • How leveraging internal and cross-functional knowledge can create a content goldmine
  • Why it is important to repurpose podcast episodes, webinars, and other media into multiple forms of content to maximize their value
  • Strategies for integrating SEO with authentic, valuable content that resonates with your audience, beyond just ranking for keywords

Timestamps

  • (00:00) - - Intro to Chelsea
  • (07:39) - - LinkedIn for B2B
  • (14:43) - - Chelsea’s Experience at Chili Piper
  • (18:48) - - Improving Content for Podcasts
  • (22:04) - - How to Maximize Search Impact
  • (22:53) - - Driving Website Traffic Through Brand Content Strategy
  • (29:05) - - Merging Brand and Keyword-Driven Content
  • (34:36) - - Aligning Brand and Content Strategy with Your Goals
  • (36:43) - - New Content Channels for B2B
  • (40:47) - - How to Measure Content Engagement
  • (44:23) - - Skyscraper SEO Content Strategy
  • (45:32) - - How to Grow Using Gated Content
  • (52:31) - - How to Craft a Brand Strategy

Join 50,0000 people who get Dave's Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletter

Learn more about Exit Five's private marketing community: https://www.exitfive.com/


***


Brought to you by:


Optimizely - A no-code AI platform where autonomous agents execute marketing work across webpages, email, SEO, and campaigns. Learn how to deploy agents on your marketing team at Agents in the Mix. Learn more at optimizely.com/exitfive. 


Vector - A contact-level ads platform that lets you build audiences from actual people on your site, clicking your ads, and checking out your competitors. Learn more at vector.co, and get their new MCP server by clicking here. 


Customer.io - An AI powered customer engagement platform that help marketers turn first-party data into engaging customer experiences across email, SMS, and push. Learn more at customer.io/exitfive.

Join us in Stowe, Vermont for Drive 2026 - three days away from your desk to learn what's working in B2B marketing from the people who are actually doing it. Grab your ticket at exitfive.com/drive.


***


Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.


  • They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.
  • Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.

Visit hatch.fm to learn more

#171: Social Media | How to Grow Your B2B Brand on LinkedIn with Tommy Clark, CEO of Compound29 Aug 202400:55:04

Dave sits down with Tommy Clark, founder of his own B2B social media agency, Compound, to talk about the ins and outs of social media strategy for B2B companies. Tommy shares his journey from running social for a SaaS company to building his agency and the lessons he’s learned along the way.

Tommy and Dave cover:

  • Why LinkedIn is the go-to platform for B2B brands and how to maximize its potential
  • The importance of posting consistently to build a strong social presence
  • How using video content on LinkedIn can accelerate trust-building with your audience

Timestamps

  • (00:00) - - Intro to Tommy
  • (08:44) - - Why You Should Focus on One Core Social Channel
  • (10:57) - - LinkedIn Success Using Just Text
  • (13:07) - - How to Get More Audience Data through Posting Frequently
  • (16:12) - - The Best Niche Content for Target Audience Engagement
  • (20:09) - - Why Honesty is Important in Building an Audience and Network
  • (25:18) - - Podcast ROI Beyond Sales and Downloads
  • (26:01) - - Balancing Evergreen and Timely Content
  • (33:08) - - Challenges and Trade-offs of Scheduled Social Media Posts
  • (35:42) - - How to Focus on Client Success
  • (39:47) - - How to Grow Followers and Relevance on LinkedIn
  • (42:39) - - How to Maximize Direct Response Marketing with Gary Vee's Strategy
  • (47:11) - - How to Create Video Content for LinkedIn
  • (50:53) - - Why Diverse Perspectives are Important in Business
  • (51:50) - - How to Use Social Media for Business Growth

Join 50,0000 people who get Dave's Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletter

Learn more about Exit Five's private marketing community: https://www.exitfive.com/


***


Brought to you by:


Optimizely - A no-code AI platform where autonomous agents execute marketing work across webpages, email, SEO, and campaigns. Learn how to deploy agents on your marketing team at Agents in the Mix. Learn more at optimizely.com/exitfive. 


Vector - A contact-level ads platform that lets you build audiences from actual people on your site, clicking your ads, and checking out your competitors. Learn more at vector.co, and get their new MCP server by clicking here. 


Customer.io - An AI powered customer engagement platform that help marketers turn first-party data into engaging customer experiences across email, SMS, and push. Learn more at customer.io/exitfive.

Join us in Stowe, Vermont for Drive 2026 - three days away from your desk to learn what's working in B2B marketing from the people who are actually doing it. Grab your ticket at exitfive.com/drive.


***


Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.


  • They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.
  • Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.

Visit hatch.fm to learn more

#162: Events | Using VIP Dinners to Drive Pipeline with Natalie Taylor29 Jul 202400:56:37

Dave is joined by Natalie Taylor, Head of Marketing at Capsule. Natalie shares her journey from getting laid off to finding her dream job through LinkedIn, and how she’s now building meaningful customer relationships through intimate in-person events at Capsule.

Natalie and Dave cover:

  • The “intimate dinner strategy” Natalie is running and how it drives growth for Capsule
  • Challenges to measuring influencer campaigns in B2B and her approach to choosing who to work with
  • Her step-by-step process to a successful product launch

Timestamps

  • (00:00) - - Intro
  • (07:13) - - Natalie’s Marketing Career Path
  • (11:20) - - Loving the Product Makes You A Better Marketer
  • (14:14) - - Product Launches and Growth
  • (16:13) - - Keys to a Successful Video Strategy
  • (19:16) - - Coordinating Launch Projects with Marketing and Product
  • (25:00) - - B2B Influencer Outreach
  • (31:37) - - Influencer Measurement Challenges
  • (36:42) - - Curated Dinner Strategy
  • (40:17) - - Lead Generation and Outreach with Apollo
  • (50:16) - - Transitioning to Product-Led Growth
  • (55:36) - - Working with the CEO

Join 50,0000 people who get Dave's Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletter

Learn more about Exit Five's private marketing community: https://www.exitfive.com/


***


Brought to you by:


Optimizely - A no-code AI platform where autonomous agents execute marketing work across webpages, email, SEO, and campaigns. Learn how to deploy agents on your marketing team at Agents in the Mix. Learn more at optimizely.com/exitfive. 


Vector - A contact-level ads platform that lets you build audiences from actual people on your site, clicking your ads, and checking out your competitors. Learn more at vector.co, and get their new MCP server by clicking here. 


Customer.io - An AI powered customer engagement platform that help marketers turn first-party data into engaging customer experiences across email, SMS, and push. Learn more at customer.io/exitfive.

Join us in Stowe, Vermont for Drive 2026 - three days away from your desk to learn what's working in B2B marketing from the people who are actually doing it. Grab your ticket at exitfive.com/drive.


***


Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.


  • They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.
  • Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.

Visit hatch.fm to learn more

#74: Dave Kellogg - Traits of a High Performing CMO16 May 202300:53:19

Dave Kellogg is a former CEO and CMO with operational experience across companies from $0 to $1B+. He served as GM/SVP of Service Cloud for Salesforce, CEO of MarkLogic, and SVP of Marketing at SAP / Business Objects. Today he is  principal at Dave Kellogg Consulting, EIR at Balderton Capital, and authors the popular SaaS blog Kellblog (www.kellblog.com). He has also served as an independent director across 10 startup boards and has a unique perspective into what top performing SaaS companies do and what role the CMO should play.

We talk about:

- Being a great partner to sales and why it is marketing’s job is to make sales easier
- Mastering the art of becoming the dispassionate analyst, presenting the facts
- Being a partner to the CEO
- Dave's thoughts on the importance of benchmarks, his POV on category creation, lead gen vs demand gen, ChatGPT, and more.

Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.com
Exit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/
Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfiveco

***

Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.

This episode is brought to you by Zapier. Zapier empowers anyone to automate their work across 5,000+ apps, so that every person and business can move forward at growth speed. We power over 2.2 million businesses, from startups to Fortune 100, and we’ve been doing it for over a decade. Learn more + get started for free at zapier.com


Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.

  • They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.
  • Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.
  • Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Join 50,0000 people who get Dave's Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletter

Learn more about Exit Five's private marketing community: https://www.exitfive.com/


***


Brought to you by:


Optimizely - A no-code AI platform where autonomous agents execute marketing work across webpages, email, SEO, and campaigns. Learn how to deploy agents on your marketing team at Agents in the Mix. Learn more at optimizely.com/exitfive. 


Vector - A contact-level ads platform that lets you build audiences from actual people on your site, clicking your ads, and checking out your competitors. Learn more at vector.co, and get their new MCP server by clicking here. 


Customer.io - An AI powered customer engagement platform that help marketers turn first-party data into engaging customer experiences across email, SMS, and push. Learn more at customer.io/exitfive.

Join us in Stowe, Vermont for Drive 2026 - three days away from your desk to learn what's working in B2B marketing from the people who are actually doing it. Grab your ticket at exitfive.com/drive.


***


Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.


  • They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.
  • Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.

Visit hatch.fm to learn more

#73: Recorded Future CMO Tom Wentworth - Growing Past $250M ARR in Cybersecurity, Hiring Journalists, No Agencies, & Why You Need Middle Management To Scale08 May 202300:53:29

Tom Wentworth is CMO at Recorded Future, a $250m+ revenue high growth cyber security company. Prior to Recorded Future Tom was CMO at Rapid Miner and CMO at Acquia. We talk about:

- Running marketing at 1,000 person company doing $250M ARR
- The breakdown of Recorded Future's 45 person marketing team roles & responsibilities & goals
- RF's marketing operating system, campaigns, themes, and running plays quarterly and annually
- Managing up, working with the CEO, and why "if you don't have a plan you'll be given one"
- Why he hates category creation
- Why he doesn't like spending budget on agencies
- Why middle management is important to scaling marketing
- Why RF built a news organization, how it works, hiring top journalist, how it fits within the marketing org, what they report on, doing millions of pageviews/month
- And more

Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.com
Exit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/
Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfiveco

***

Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.

This episode is brought to you by Zapier. Zapier empowers anyone to automate their work across 5,000+ apps, so that every person and business can move forward at growth speed. We power over 2.2 million businesses, from startups to Fortune 100, and we’ve been doing it for over a decade. Learn more + get started for free at zapier.com


Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.

  • They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.
  • Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.
  • Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Join 50,0000 people who get Dave's Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletter

Learn more about Exit Five's private marketing community: https://www.exitfive.com/


***


Brought to you by:


Optimizely - A no-code AI platform where autonomous agents execute marketing work across webpages, email, SEO, and campaigns. Learn how to deploy agents on your marketing team at Agents in the Mix. Learn more at optimizely.com/exitfive. 


Vector - A contact-level ads platform that lets you build audiences from actual people on your site, clicking your ads, and checking out your competitors. Learn more at vector.co, and get their new MCP server by clicking here. 


Customer.io - An AI powered customer engagement platform that help marketers turn first-party data into engaging customer experiences across email, SMS, and push. Learn more at customer.io/exitfive.

Join us in Stowe, Vermont for Drive 2026 - three days away from your desk to learn what's working in B2B marketing from the people who are actually doing it. Grab your ticket at exitfive.com/drive.


***


Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.


  • They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.
  • Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.

Visit hatch.fm to learn more

#72: Mental Health & Finding Meaning at Work - with Kara Hardin (CEO, The Practice Lab)02 May 202301:00:04

Kara Hardin is a mental health educator and clinician who works at the intersection of mental health and performance as CEO of The Practice Lab. She specializes in the complicated ways that mental health drives performance and how it shows up at work. She's a former practicing corporate and securities lawyer and holds a Master’s degree in Counseling Psychology from the University of St. Thomas (Minnesota) and a Juris Doctor from the University of Toronto, Faculty of Law.

We talk about:

- Going from corporate lawyer to running a private psychotherapy practice
- Working with high performers she calls "strivers" -- people who are pushing to be and do better
- Finding meaning at work, even when "marketing isn't saving the world"
- The balance between being burnout and being "crispy" and how much work stress is OK
- Why she puts her phone in the closet from Friday to Monday - and why she's looking into getting a landline (!)
- The myth of comparative suffering
- Regulating your body
- Why state dictates your story
- How very few things require our immediate attention
- And more (you're going to love this episode I know it)

Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.com
Exit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/
Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfiveco

***

This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demos

Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.


Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.

  • They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.
  • Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.
  • Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Join 50,0000 people who get Dave's Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletter

Learn more about Exit Five's private marketing community: https://www.exitfive.com/


***


Brought to you by:


Optimizely - A no-code AI platform where autonomous agents execute marketing work across webpages, email, SEO, and campaigns. Learn how to deploy agents on your marketing team at Agents in the Mix. Learn more at optimizely.com/exitfive. 


Vector - A contact-level ads platform that lets you build audiences from actual people on your site, clicking your ads, and checking out your competitors. Learn more at vector.co, and get their new MCP server by clicking here. 


Customer.io - An AI powered customer engagement platform that help marketers turn first-party data into engaging customer experiences across email, SMS, and push. Learn more at customer.io/exitfive.

Join us in Stowe, Vermont for Drive 2026 - three days away from your desk to learn what's working in B2B marketing from the people who are actually doing it. Grab your ticket at exitfive.com/drive.


***


Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.


  • They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.
  • Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.

Visit hatch.fm to learn more

#71: B2B Content Strategy (with Lashay Lewis)24 Apr 202300:57:23

Lashay Lewis helps B2B SaaS companies create profit driven content strategies. We talk about why a B2B content strategy should be built from the bottom of the funnel up, why she interviews sales teams to understand "life before using the product" and why she interviews customer success teams to understand "life after using the product" and how that influences content strategy, how writing influences buyers, the power of a strong company POV, training in-house writers and freelancers in a way that scales, where podcasting fits in a B2B content strategy, why search volume can be misleading, and thoughts on how content marketers can use ChatGPT.

Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.com
Exit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/
Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfiveco

***

This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demos

Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.


Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.

  • They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.
  • Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.
  • Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Join 50,0000 people who get Dave's Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletter

Learn more about Exit Five's private marketing community: https://www.exitfive.com/


***


Brought to you by:


Optimizely - A no-code AI platform where autonomous agents execute marketing work across webpages, email, SEO, and campaigns. Learn how to deploy agents on your marketing team at Agents in the Mix. Learn more at optimizely.com/exitfive. 


Vector - A contact-level ads platform that lets you build audiences from actual people on your site, clicking your ads, and checking out your competitors. Learn more at vector.co, and get their new MCP server by clicking here. 


Customer.io - An AI powered customer engagement platform that help marketers turn first-party data into engaging customer experiences across email, SMS, and push. Learn more at customer.io/exitfive.

Join us in Stowe, Vermont for Drive 2026 - three days away from your desk to learn what's working in B2B marketing from the people who are actually doing it. Grab your ticket at exitfive.com/drive.


***


Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.


  • They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.
  • Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.

Visit hatch.fm to learn more

#70: Allison Whalen - This CEO Crushes It On LinkedIn & Is Building Her Founder Brand To Grow Revenue17 Apr 202300:56:02

Allison Whalen is co-founder and CEO of Parentaly, a company combines career coaching and content to help expecting parents before, during and after their parental leave. She's a former MBA who worked in private equity and then as VP of Sales before starting Parentaly and taking to LinkedIn to launch the company and build her "Founder Brand." Dave and Allison talk about her LinkedIn strategy, starting a podcast, how someone with a background fully in sales (with no experience in marketing) came to appreciate the critical role of marketing, and more. Allison has used LinkedIn to help Parentaly grow past seven figures in revenue in under two years.


Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.com
Exit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/
Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfiveco

***

This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demos

Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.


Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.

  • They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.
  • Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.
  • Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Join 50,0000 people who get Dave's Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletter

Learn more about Exit Five's private marketing community: https://www.exitfive.com/


***


Brought to you by:


Optimizely - A no-code AI platform where autonomous agents execute marketing work across webpages, email, SEO, and campaigns. Learn how to deploy agents on your marketing team at Agents in the Mix. Learn more at optimizely.com/exitfive. 


Vector - A contact-level ads platform that lets you build audiences from actual people on your site, clicking your ads, and checking out your competitors. Learn more at vector.co, and get their new MCP server by clicking here. 


Customer.io - An AI powered customer engagement platform that help marketers turn first-party data into engaging customer experiences across email, SMS, and push. Learn more at customer.io/exitfive.

Join us in Stowe, Vermont for Drive 2026 - three days away from your desk to learn what's working in B2B marketing from the people who are actually doing it. Grab your ticket at exitfive.com/drive.


***


Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.


  • They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.
  • Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.

Visit hatch.fm to learn more

#69: Reporting To The CEO - 5 Things Marketers Should Know14 Apr 202300:21:00

Dave shares five lessons from the wisdom of Exit Five community members about their lessons from reporting to the CEO for the first-time.


Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.com
Exit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/
Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfiveco

***

This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demos

Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.


Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.

  • They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.
  • Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.
  • Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Join 50,0000 people who get Dave's Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletter

Learn more about Exit Five's private marketing community: https://www.exitfive.com/


***


Brought to you by:


Optimizely - A no-code AI platform where autonomous agents execute marketing work across webpages, email, SEO, and campaigns. Learn how to deploy agents on your marketing team at Agents in the Mix. Learn more at optimizely.com/exitfive. 


Vector - A contact-level ads platform that lets you build audiences from actual people on your site, clicking your ads, and checking out your competitors. Learn more at vector.co, and get their new MCP server by clicking here. 


Customer.io - An AI powered customer engagement platform that help marketers turn first-party data into engaging customer experiences across email, SMS, and push. Learn more at customer.io/exitfive.

Join us in Stowe, Vermont for Drive 2026 - three days away from your desk to learn what's working in B2B marketing from the people who are actually doing it. Grab your ticket at exitfive.com/drive.


***


Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.


  • They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.
  • Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.

Visit hatch.fm to learn more

#68: Bobby Pinero - CEO of Equals & Intercom's Former Head of Finance & Analytics13 Apr 202300:55:46

Bobby Pinero is co-founder and CEO of Equals and previously led the finance organization at Intercom as the company scaled from $1M ARR to $150M+, and from 20 employees to 600+ employees. We talk about learning from Steve Blank at Stanford, building Equals, the mission of replacing Excel, lessons from Intercom, how he thinks about marketing as former head of finance, and more.

Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.com
Exit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/
Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfiveco

***

This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demos

Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.


Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.

  • They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.
  • Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.
  • Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Join 50,0000 people who get Dave's Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletter

Learn more about Exit Five's private marketing community: https://www.exitfive.com/


***


Brought to you by:


Optimizely - A no-code AI platform where autonomous agents execute marketing work across webpages, email, SEO, and campaigns. Learn how to deploy agents on your marketing team at Agents in the Mix. Learn more at optimizely.com/exitfive. 


Vector - A contact-level ads platform that lets you build audiences from actual people on your site, clicking your ads, and checking out your competitors. Learn more at vector.co, and get their new MCP server by clicking here. 


Customer.io - An AI powered customer engagement platform that help marketers turn first-party data into engaging customer experiences across email, SMS, and push. Learn more at customer.io/exitfive.

Join us in Stowe, Vermont for Drive 2026 - three days away from your desk to learn what's working in B2B marketing from the people who are actually doing it. Grab your ticket at exitfive.com/drive.


***


Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.


  • They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.
  • Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.

Visit hatch.fm to learn more

#67: Generative AI - with Samyutha Reddy & CJ Donio from Jasper07 Apr 202301:01:51

Generative AI is the hottest topic we've seen in marketing in a decade. In this session Exit Five Live session we went under the hood with Samyutha Reddy and CJ Donio from Jasper to unpack "Generative AI" and share use cases and tactical examples for B2B marketers today and how team's are using Jasper and AI to create content and generate ideas at scale.

Send guest pitches and ideas to hello@exitfive.com
Exit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/
Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfiveco

***

This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demos

Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.


Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.

  • They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.
  • Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.
  • Visit hatch.fm to learn more

Join 50,0000 people who get Dave's Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletter

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#66: Managing Burnout & How To Get Unstuck in Your Career (with Hana Jacover)06 Apr 202300:55:10

Hana Jacover is an executive coach, former Director of Demand Generation, and founder of Hype House Coaching. We talk about managing burnout, fighting imposter syndrome, work/life balance, finding your right path, maintaining authenticity day to day, nonviolent communication, and how to get unstuck in your career.

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#65: Mistakes & Learnings as a Marketing Leader (Loretta Jones, VP Growth, Acceldata, Shauntle Barley, Director of Marketing, Demandwell, Anthony Kennada, CEO, AudiencePlus)29 Mar 202300:47:33

Four marketing leaders share their lessons, learnings, mistakes, and failures from their time "in the arena" as a marketing leader. Shauntle Barley is Director of Marketing at Demandwell, Loretta Jones is VP Growth at Acceldata, Anthony Kennada is former CMO at Gainsight, Hopin, and now CEO at AudiencePlus, plus Exit Five Founder Dave Gerhardt.

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#161: Strategy | How to Enter New International Markets, Hiring Locally, and the Content Approval Trap with Max Van Den Ingh25 Jul 202400:40:41

Dave sits down with Max Van Den Ingh, founder and CEO of Unmuted, a B2B SaaS marketing agency based in Amsterdam. Max shares his insights from his background in Sales, sharing how his approach of building relationships has translated to a successful marketing agency.

Max and Dave Cover:

  • His high-touch approach to entering new markets by focusing on understanding the landscape and building relationships
  • Challenges and advice for hiring in international markets
  • The shift towards scrappier, more authentic content in B2B Marketing and the case against multiple layers of content approval

Timestamps

  • (00:00) - - Intro
  • (07:18) - - The US Approach to Marketing
  • (10:06) - - Max’s Initial Agency Skepticism
  • (13:17) - - B2B Marketing Strategies for Dutch Tech Companies
  • (15:16) - - Challenges of Expanding SaaS in EU Markets
  • (19:32) - - How to Effectively Use Local Expertise
  • (25:00) - - Building Your First Customer Playbook
  • (28:44) - - Creating a Long-Term Strategy for New Markets
  • (31:24) - - Branding and International Expansion
  • (37:41) - - Challenges of Hierarchy in Large Organizations
  • (39:07) - - Multiple Layers of Approval and In-authentic Content

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#64: An interview with Dave on career path, joining a startup, side projects & more24 Mar 202300:55:39

This is a little change of pace episode, with Dave Charest from Constant Contact interviewing Dave Gerhardt about his career path and some early stories working together through PR, product marketing, side projects, and bunch of marketing stories / lessons sprinkled in.

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#63: Brand Marketing with Stephanie Donily (Director, Corporate Marketing at Zapier)21 Mar 202300:52:46

Stephanie Donily is Director of Corporate Marketing at Zapier. Zapier has 100,000+ customers and does over $150M+ ARR and Steph joins the Exit Five podcast with Dave to talk about brand marketing, including:

- What is brand marketing?
- Why brand marketing is not logos/colors/design
- Steph's job running corporate marketing and managing the teams that are responsible for brand, communications, content marketing, social media, events, and video
- How Zapier is successfully using TikTok as a B2B SaaS brand
- How Zapier thinks about the "different vehicles" to tell the company story
- The (evolving) role of PR
- Do press mentions matter for B2B SaaS?
- How Steph grew her career from PR manager to Marketing Leader
- How Zapier thinks about measuring brand awareness
- Why the CEO has to own the company narrative
- And more


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#62: Chad Knipschild - Navy Veteran to Product Marketer14 Mar 202301:06:20

Chad Knipschild is a Navy Veteran and now Senior Product Marketing Manager at Recorded Future. Dave and Chad talk about his background and learnings from his time in the Navy to getting a job in tech and working in product marketing, plus a handful of topics outside of marketing for a little change of pace.


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#61: ABM with Hillary Carpio (Head of ABM at Snowflake)06 Mar 202300:53:36

Dave is joined by Hillary Carpio, Head of ABM at Snowflake for a deep dive on account-based marketing. Hillary runs a 20 person team focused on ABM at Snowflake today.

They discuss why Snowflake has been an "account-based organization", ABM vs. Demand Generation, how to measure ABM, what an effective ABM campaign looks like, creating a tiered ABM strategy, how marketing exists to support sales at Snowflake and why it works, how tools like ChatGPT and Jasper can help ABM marketers, and more.

You can also checkout Hillary's "GTM Speed Dial" podcast if you want more of her knowledge on the regular.

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#60: From Building an Audience to Launching a SaaS Company - Adam Schoenfeld (CEO at KeyPlay.io) & Camille Trent (Director of Content & Community at Peersignal.org)01 Mar 202300:53:57

Dave is joined by Adam Schoenfeld (CEO at Keyplay.io) and Camille Trent (Director of Content & Community at Peersignal.org). They talk about community building for B2B SaaS, what it means to "build a media company", and how creating the Peer Signal community eventually led to building a new SaaS company called Keyplay.io, the "return to rigor" and other observations from the current landscape in B2B sales & marketing and more. Prior to KeyPlay Adam was co-founder & CEO at Siftrock (acquired by Drift) and VP Strategy at Drift.

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#59: Story is Strategy - The Power of Product Positioning23 Feb 202300:38:58

Dave is interviewed by Superside VP Marketing Amrita Mathur during a live session focused on positioning and company storytelling. When it comes to driving revenue we obsess over tactics when so often the root cause is actually positioning. When sales and marketing efforts are stuck or slowing down, it's rarely because you need to unlock a new channel, or because you are not using the latest martech tool. It is most often a positioning problem. But it is much easier to toss the blame on sales + marketing efforts and ask those teams to do more - because positioning is a whole company issue. Changing the product roadmap, ideal customer profile, pricing/packaging, and how you talk about what you do -- well shoot that is a ton of work, and there's a lot of feelings and opinions, and there's this team who we already committed to doing X for, and investing Y in this, and it goes on for ever. But it's most often positioning that needs to be changed because the context for your market/customers has changed. And the solution is not buying intent data from a new vendor, doing new field events, or hammering on outbound. Those things wont work without the right company story + positioning. With the reality of budget cuts, less headcount, and mounting pressure to hit targets right now there is no better time to take a hard look at positioning. Strong positioning is knowing the value you deliver that no other product on the market can for your ideal customer. Best of all, you can make these improvements without additional budget or new hires (there's something that will make the CFO happy). If you want to brush up positioning and find 1-2 new ideas to help your business, I think you'll get a lot from this episode.


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#58: SEO - Exit Five Live - Ask Us Anything About SEO (Betsy Koliba, Mitch Briggs from Demandwell)21 Feb 202300:56:36

This episode is from an Exit Five live session we did with Dave Gerhardt, Betsy Koliba, and Mitch Briggs from Demandwell. Every few weeks we like to bring on subject matter experts to do Exit Five Live sessions about topics that are more tactical than the typical CMO interview. This was an hour long AMA on all things SEO, focused on what B2B marketers need to know about SEO in 2023, including some questions about how new trends like generative AI, ChatGPT, and short form video will impact SEO in the future, and the classics like: does the blog still matter? which pages on your website should you be pushing people to rank? and more.

This episode will serve as a great crash course (or refresher) on what matters in SEO and how you can use organic search to drive meaningful results for your business.

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Customer.io - An AI powered customer engagement platform that help marketers turn first-party data into engaging customer experiences across email, SMS, and push. Learn more at customer.io/exitfive.

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#57: How to Create Memorable Content (with Obaid Durrani & Todd Clouser)13 Feb 202300:56:27

Dave is joined by Obaid Durrani and Todd Clouser for a discussion about content and community for B2B SaaS. Obaid and Todd met while working together at Refine Labs and co-host the "Cheat Codes" podcast for B2B SaaS marketers. They help marketing leaders and creators craft their narrative, implement new processes, and refine their content engine to reflect their product, narrative, and objectives. 

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#56: Amrita Mathur (VP Marketing, Superside) - $0 to $30M ARR in three years, marketing team structure, when to exploit vs explore08 Feb 202300:58:27

Amrita Mathur is VP Marketing at Superside. Superside is a B2B SaaS company that provides a design subscription service for marketing and creative teams. We talk about how Superside went from $0 to $30M ARR in three years, marketing strategy, when to exploit vs. when to explore, marketing team structure, where to find efficiencies in marketing, how constraints can act as foundations for your entire go-to-market effort, the cost of missing out, making smarter marketing bets and more.


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00:00.58
dgmg
Ah, will you tell me your name and tell me what you had for breakfast today.

00:04.48
Amrita
Oh my gosh. This is how you start on your podcast I had a little bit of Chi and that's it. That's I'm not a breakfast person to be honest.

00:16.73
dgmg
I go back and forth sometimes I am and then sometimes I think it is nice to kind of let it ride until 11 or or 12 I don't but but then sometimes I wake up and I'm like hungry and I gotta eat right now.

00:27.85
Amrita
Yeah, no I get it the whole intermittent fasting thing. You know people are talking about it these days like a lot and I'm just like but I've literally been doing that my whole life like I just don't eat until like noon or one that's just how.

00:41.35
dgmg
Yeah, it's it's funny how that happens like a trend happens and then people are like wait. This is a trend I've just been doing this thing my my whole life I did I I did it more just like out of convenience like ah like ah I just found when I was living in Boston and like going into the office and.

00:46.54
Amrita
Yes.

00:58.10
dgmg
Process of just like having to get breakfast every morning and I think a lot of there's a lot of like health nutritional advice that' like you got to eat breakfast. You got to eat breakfast. But I think you can get the same amount of meals and just later in the day and then you don't have it. It is a little bit freeing and I have your whole schedule be structured around like I got to eat or I'm going to pass out right now.

01:13.36
Amrita
Yeah, yeah, and then and the newest is that not only do you got to eat breakfast but you have to get thirty grams of protein just just sizable. That's like a burger patty kind of right I think thirty grams and it's like I don't think I can eat that you know if I can have half a banana that's pretty good.

01:21.41
dgmg
Um, right? yeah.

01:31.60
dgmg
Yeah, right, We're not all ah like Hollywood celebrities with with private chefs. You know it's like you got to have you got to have convenience. Okay, so see no what happens is when you ask somebody that then you you start in a normal conversation and it's.

01:36.62
Amrita
Um, I think we doubt yeah.

01:43.76
Amrita
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:46.56
dgmg
I Know you'd be a good guess anyway though because I've heard you I've heard you talk before. So um, let's just start with just tell people your name and background so they can get context for your for your voice and maybe describe what you what you do at superside and and and what superside is.

01:59.56
Amrita
Yeah, for sure. So my name is am Rita Mather I work for a company called superside which is very cool like innovative and disruptive in some ways you know we're tackling an age-old problem which is how the heck do you get good creative done good design done and. The answer is that there's many many different ways and there's many different models and constructs for for doing that and our approach has been to say hey you could be an Amazon you could be a meta you could be a ubs or a Morgan Stanley or whatever and maybe you have this huge gigantic, super powerful internal team.

02:24.64
dgmg
So.

02:38.56
Amrita
That can crank out this amazing stuff. Maybe you use a bit of AiEtc but there's still going to be times where you need added capacity and maybe that is a permanent state that you live in because your marketing team and your go-to-market teams are actually always ahead of the curve. And they're always pushing the boundaries. So it's kind of impossible for the creative team to like fully catch up so you're always going to be in this like state of flux where you're just like holy shit I need more and I need better and I need faster right? and it's like think about how we even do like Facebook ads these days like you need like 57 versions of the same thing to properly test it and. You need that in two days and then by the way the experiment data just came back and now you need to change your whole approach and that whole cycle the the test and learn cycle. That's so part. A big part of marketing now is complicated and design and creative teams just need to find a way to like catch up. So that's that's ultimately the.

03:22.64
dgmg
Earth.

03:30.90
dgmg
Yeah, well, it's interesting. It's it's like um, you you run this for a while in my job at drift I I ran the creative team and that was like I had no idea what I was doing and ah while I was good at the creative part like.

03:31.91
Amrita
Of.

03:36.58
Amrita
Thanks.

03:44.41
Amrita
Um.

03:44.74
dgmg
It was fun to come up with the ideas and come up with campaigns but you know I I noticed really quickly that you kind of keep bumping into the same problem which is like the answer is always yes we can do that. But that means we got to take this other thing off, it's such a game of.. It's very similar to like engineering and like prioritizing different things and it's hard and I ended up building so much empathy for the creatives at drift For example, on that on that team because you know they don't often know the needs of the business or like who which internal you know.

04:02.90
Amrita
Yeah.

04:19.95
dgmg
Relationship between this vp and that vp is like why you need to actually prioritize this page There's just so much nuance and like what's going on and they're like look I just want to create stuff so but but I can't because there's a limited number of hour...

#55: LinkedIn Followers / Vanity Metrics06 Feb 202300:15:09

Dave talks about building an audience on LinkedIn and whether or not LinkedIn followers are a "vanity metric" or not.

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#160: Career | Remote Work Loneliness, Embracing Change, and Giving & Receiving Feedback with Kara Hardin22 Jul 202401:01:59

Dave is joined by Kara Hardin, a Registered Psychotherapist and Lead Executive Officer at The Practice Lab. Kara specializes in the complicated ways that mental health drives performance and how it shows up at work. Drawing from her extensive experience, Kara provides actionable advice for B2B marketers to enhance their professional lives.

Kara and Dave cover:

  • How adapting to your team’s preferences can lead to better collaboration, higher productivity, and a more harmonious work environment
  • How to view change as a natural and positive part of business strategy, rather than something to fear
  • Practical advice on how to maintain meaningful connection and effective communication in remote work environments

Timestamps

  • (00:00) - - Intro
  • (08:00) - - Learning to Embrace Change
  • (10:47) - - Connection at Work
  • (14:10) - - The Loneliness of Remote Work
  • (17:31) - - Balancing Remote Work and Relationships
  • (22:08) - - Aligning Work with Values
  • (24:04) - - Creating Your Own Career Path
  • (30:30) - - How Self-Awareness Helps Make Better Decisions
  • (32:07) - - Discovering Your Personal Work Preferences
  • (41:05) - - Recognizing Self-worth in Between Jobs
  • (42:48) - - Self-Awareness in Communication
  • (45:48) - - The Work of Work: Understanding Yourself and Others
  • (50:42) - - Kara’s Framework for Self-Reflection and Interaction
  • (52:33) - - Creating Emotional Guardrails
  • (55:31) - - Combatting the Urgency Impulse at Work
  • (01:00:10) - - Improve Work by Slowing Down

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#54: AI Content - with Meghan Anderson, VP Marketing at Jasper01 Feb 202300:56:18

Meghan Anderson is VP of Marketing at Jasper. Jasper is an AI Content Platform that helps creators break through writer's block, create original illustrations, and adapt content for different formats, languages and tone. Meghan leads a talented team of marketers overseeing all of acquisition, customer marketing, field and product marketing, community, brand and creative. Prior to Jasper, Meghan served as CMO at the Wanderlust group and was VP of Marketing at HubSpot for nearly a decade.

In this episode Meghan and Dave talk about:

- How an accidental phone call led to her joining Jasper 
- What's going on at Jasper today
- Innovative ways she's seeing marketing teams use Jasper

- The difference between ChatGPT and Jasper

- Building her team and the marketing team structure at Jasper
- How company strategy impacts marketing team structure

- And more; this was a fun conversation :)


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#53: Building the career resource for content marketers with Superpath creator Jimmy Daly23 Jan 202301:01:31

Dave is joined by Jimmy Daly (co-founder and CEO of Superpath). Jimmy is the former VP of Growth at Animalz (content marketing agency) who went out on his own to start the ultimate resource for content marketers like him: one place that covers strategy, management, writing, career development and more. This episode will be interesting to B2B content marketers and anyone that's ever had the thought "hey, I could start my own business out of this."

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#52: How To Build A Brand with Bill Macaitis (former Slack CMO & Zendesk CMO)17 Jan 202300:35:12

This episode is from a fireside chat Dave did with Bill Macaitis, former CMO at Slack and Zendesk during G2's 2023 "Reach" event on how to build a brand in an economic downturn. We cover what is a brand, what is brand marketing, 8 ways to fit a brand into a marketing strategy,  creating a brand centric product, and examples from Bill's work over the years.

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  1. Results: Demandwell is built for driving the outcomes that b2b marketers care about - demand, traffic, leads, and revenue. 
  2. Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work. 
  3. Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours. 

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#51: Want to grow your career faster? Be an early adopter17 Jan 202300:13:34

Just Dave on this short solo episode talking about how making a bet on a tool or technology can change the trajectory of your career and why it pays to be an early adopter.

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#50: Why Constraints & Guardrails Are Good For Your Marketing11 Jan 202300:12:07

Just Dave on this short solo episode talking about constraints & guardrails.

If you want to make better marketing decisions and struggle with a blank slate, listen to this. Make constraints. Put in a guardrails. Sometimes you will have plenty already in place, like budget, deadlines, or what's technically possible. But even without obvious constraints like those, you can force yourself to have some to help guide the decision making process. Guardrails can help move you from being stuck on making decisions because of the infinite possibilities of channels and campaigns. This is also why so often the answer to many marketing strategy questions here are "it depends" or "tell me more about X."

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Here’s how it works:

  1. Results: Demandwell is built for driving the outcomes that b2b marketers care about - demand, traffic, leads, and revenue. 
  2. Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work. 
  3. Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours. 

SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitors. Go to demandwell.com/fomo to get your free SEO consultation today.


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#49: ABM (Account-Based Marketing) Overview09 Jan 202300:57:04

Dave is joined by Brandon Redlinger (VP Marketing at Crosschq). Prior to leading marketing at Crosschq, Brandon was Head of Demand Gen at Demandbase where he managed demand generation, ABM, content marketing, field marketing and partner marketing teams, and Head of Growth at Engagio where he led all content, website, corporate communications and digital marketing.

By popular demand in the Exit Five community we wanted to do a dedicated episode on account-based marketing and cover all things ABM in this hour with Brandon, including:

- Why take an ABM approach to marketing, which type of companies this go-to-market strategy makes sense for
- Where to start with ABM
- Guidance for working with sales on selecting target accounts, who owns the account selection process, where ops fits in between sales and marketing, and what "aligning" with sales actually looks like strategically and tactically
- What elements are part of an effective ABM campaign and examples of successful ABM campaigns
- Metrics and measurement
- And more

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#48: B2B marketing heading into 2023, growing your career in a down economy, continuing to bet on LinkedIn organic & more with John Short (Founder & CEO Compound Growth Marketing)03 Jan 202300:57:45

Dave is joined by John Short (Founder & CEO of Compound Growth Marketing) to talk about the state of B2B marketing / B2B SaaS as a of December 2022 heading into the new year, tips for growing your career during a time when company growth might be slower, and why they are continuing to bet on LinkedIn organic as a key channel for B2B company growth.

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Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demos


Here’s how it works:

  1. Results: Demandwell is built for driving the outcomes that b2b marketers care about - demand, traffic, leads, and revenue. 
  2. Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work. 
  3. Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours. 

SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitors


Go to demandwell.com/fomo to get your free SEO consultation today.


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#47: Holiday Special: What Parents Talk About Reunion with Dave & Lya20 Dec 202200:40:34

Dave is joined by his wife Lya in a rare guest appearance. This is a very special episode of the Exit Five podcast - it's a one episode revival of the podcast Dave and Lya did a few years ago called "What Parents Talk About" and Lya takes the mic to grill Dave on a few questions about solopreneurship, parenting, telling the truth on LinkedIn, the mental load, golf vs. work, being home together everyday and more.

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  2. Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work. 
  3. Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours. 

SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitors


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#46: Outside of Work: Running, Boston Marathon, and Sports Radio with Tim McKone13 Dec 202200:58:39

Dave is joined by one of his best friends from high school Tim McKone for a little change of pace podcast episode we are calling Outside of Work. Dave and Tim talk about getting into running, training for the Boston Marathon, why running makes a great hobby, falling back in love with sports, Dave's love for golf, how Tim got into his career in sports media and working at 98.5 The Sports Hub, the top local sports radio station in the country and more. You can find Tim on Twitter @Tim_McKone. Connect with Dave on Instagram @davegerhardt1. Should I do more of these types of episodes? Send me a message on Instagram - @davegerhardt1 or an email to questions@davegerhardt.com

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#45: Running product marketing globally at $100M+ ARR, working with field sales, and more with Eyal Webber-Zvik, VP Product Marketing at Cato Networks 12 Dec 202201:01:02

Eyal Webber-Zvik is VP of Product Marketing at Cato Networks. Cato is a company in the networking and security space current over $100M in annual revenue. In his role, Eyal manages a global team of product marketing directors that are tasked driving the company's messaging, position, press and media relations, and more. Previously, Eyal ran Cato's product management organization and he has more than 20 years of experience in engineering, product management and product marketing. Dave and Eyal talk about the role of product marketing in global organization that is driven by field sales, creating the company narrative and sales deck, and more.


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SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitors


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#159: Growth | Personalized Gifting, Direct Mail, and AI Driven Outbound with Kris Rudeegraap, CEO and Founder of Sendoso18 Jul 202400:41:44

In this episode, Dave is joined by Kris Rudeegraap, CEO of Sendoso, a leading platform for direct mail and gifting in B2B marketing. Kris is an expert in using creative direct mail tactics and AI to create profitable marketing campaigns. He has helped numerous companies enhance their engagement and conversion rates through thoughtful and personalized gifting strategies.

Dave and Kris cover:

  • The differences between Growth Ops and Revenue Ops (and where each is most effective)
  • Must-try direct mail strategies that go above and beyond to create memorable customer experiences
  • How companies have created automated programmatic outbound strategies using AI, including tools and techniques that enhance efficiency and personalization

Timestamps

  • (00:00) - - Intro
  • (08:00) - - Navigating the SaaS Market: CEO Perspective & New Media Ventures
  • (10:44) - - Rethinking Outbound in 2024
  • (14:21) - - How to Actually Use AI in Outbound
  • (17:48) - - Early Adoption of AI
  • (18:37) - - Direct Mail Gifting and AI
  • (25:23) - - Avoiding Unwanted Gifts
  • (27:56) - - Outsourcing with Automation
  • (32:38) - - Sales Team as Consultants for Prospects
  • (36:07) - - Tools and Data We’re Using
  • (38:39) - - Effective Prospecting with Personalization and AI
  • (40:59) - - Using AI to Stand Out

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#44: Lauren Vaccarello, CMO at Salesloft, former CMO at Talend, VP Marketing at Box, Head of Digital at Salesforce06 Dec 202200:50:38

Lauren Vaccarello is Chief Marketing Officer at Salesloft. Dave and Lauren talk about how Lauren landed at Salesloft, the first six months in her new role, what to look for when evaluating marketing leadership roles, the relationship between sales and marketing, and lessons from her experiences from public company CMO to startup marketing exec to head of digital at Salesforce in the early 2010's.

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  2. Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work. 
  3. Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours. 

SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitors


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#43: 16 Lessons I Wish I Knew As First Time B2B Marketing Leader28 Nov 202200:40:05

Dave shares the 16 lessons he wishes he knew as a first-time marketing leader, going from marketing manager to CMO in four years. This is a recording from Metadata's DEMAND 2022 virtual event in October 2022. The lessons include:

  1. Forget the acronyms & best practices, use your brain. Ultimately there are only three ways to grow a business: get more new customers, increase the transaction value, increase how often people buy from you. You can get lost in the MQL PQL SQL SAL definitions and best practices. Get back to the basics and operate from first principles.
  2. You need a story to be successful in B2B. Call it a category, call it a movement. Regardless, you need a story that people can bring to their boss about why they should buy your product beyond features + benefits. HubSpot created inbound marketing. Gainsight championed customer success. Drift conversational marketing. Each led through education + expertise and showed people a new way of doing things. Sell the vision and the story.
  3. You need to sweat the "offer" - request a demo and contact sales are only going to convert for the highest intent prospects. You need other offers. HubSpot's website grader. Drift did a "test drive" to test the chatbot on your website before talking to anyone. Demandwell has a free SEO audit. Clari has a revenue leakage calculator. These are all smart ideas that are still further down the funnel than ebook but work to get qualified buyers in to eventually talk to sales.
  4. Avoid incremental thinking. You can waste so many cycles thinking that the next homepage variation or the email series is going to be the thing that gets you out of the revenue hole. Rarely does "nurturing" solve the problem. Take bigger swings.
  5. You must find a way to get on the same page as sales, no matter what. Find a way to put all the internal politics aside. You will never be successful unless you can marketing sales + marketing = revenue *together*. Find out how the VP of sales is comped and do everything in your power to get on the same page. Health teams gives bonuses based on company goals not team goals. Find out and fix it. Manage up to the CEO if needed. Life is 100% easier when sales + marketing have shared revenue goals.
  6. Make finance and ops your best friends. YOU HAVE PLENTY TO DO ON YOUR OWN, YOUR JOB IS NOT FINANCE AND OPS I PROMISE YOU!!!! But instead find a way to make them your key business partners. Same way you need to be on the same team as sales, you need to be on the same team with finance and ops. Make them your best friends - collaborate on marketing as a business function Don’t be like 28 year old Dave “I got this myself” - DON’T GET DEFENSIVE - take the help, work together.
  7. Show your work and master internal communication. Top complaint: I never know what marketing is doing. If you can’t get the people inside fired up, how will customers be? Top complaint: Marketing is doing a lot, but no idea how it fits our goals. You must always be sharing the bigger picture, related to company goals. Some systems I like: Slack: sharing screenshots, work in progress, teasers, etc. Weekly, monthly, quarterly recaps - here’s what marketing is up to . Take any opportunity to present to the company you can get. Create cross-functional check-ins with marketing, product, sales, CS, finance, ops, together. Marketing is the leadership department as Christopher Lochhead says. Make it that way. Lead by example. You're supposed to be the best communicators in the company right?
  8. You must be able to articulate what your marketing strategy is. Don’t get lost in the tactics - see too much of this today. It’s the job of the marketing leader to have a vision for HOW the company does marketing. ABM? Product led? Both? SMB? Mid Market? Enterprise? Be intentional about your approach. You cant take the peanut butter approach and spread average stuff everywhere and expect to win. FOCUS. But also what type of marketing, what brand do you want to be? Have a view on the market, have a view on how you’ll do marketing this year, have a POV on what good marketing looks like. Ex: at Privy we sold to small businesses so we knew they weren't marketing experts and our marketing had to speak to them and they didn't have a lot of time to figure it out, so we had to lead with simple + clear + educational content.
  9. You must be able to think short term and long term. Hitting today's goal is great, but what about when the plan jumps 50% next year? You need to be able to build the foundation for that now or you'll wish you did a year from now. Spend 70% of your time on today and 30% of your time on next year/tomorrow. Be disciplined about laying the groundwork for next year and beyond and it will payoff. What will your next channels be? Where can you get future growth from? Start testing and learning now before you need it. Then you can be ready to turn it on.
  10. Manage up to the CEO. She cares about two things: revenue and the story. Keep your communication + collaboration tight to those things. She doesnt need to know every detail about what's going on inside of your org and you shouldn't let her. Manage up and get help around revenue and the story. Focus your efforts there.
  11. You have to making hiring your job not your side project. People are everything. You know that. Every HBR article ever has said it. But candidates are not going to magically fall on your lap you must treat this like your own marketing program. It's not HR / recruiters job it's your job - no one will know who to hire better than you. Build a brand for yourself in the market. Get religious about sourcing via LinkedIn. Make it your full-time job. Even if you're not hiring you should always be meeting great marketers -- at least so you can model / know what great looks like. Keep a list of your dream team. Make a spreadsheet of names of great people you'd hire if you could one day. You never know.
  12. Create your own momentum. It's 2022. You dont need to wait for Gartner or Forrester to write about you. You dont need the product team to ship the one key feature. Marketing is ultimately about content. You can create your own momentum by thinking like a publishing company. Create regular marketing launches. We called them "marketable moments" this can be content, research, reports, events. And then hopefully yes you have product shipping regularly and can do regular product launches too. But stick to a monthly launch calendar. Make some noise every month on your own, no matter what ingredients you have from the company or product team. Set the dates in advance. Dates and deadlines drive action. At Drift we launched the first Tuesday of every month, regardless. It helped us create our own momentum and was a competitive advantage -- PLUS it was contagious and pushed the rest of the the company to ship more too, especially the product team. They wanted to keep up with us.
  13. Your job is to get the job done. Doesn't matter if your hire internally, agency, outsource, use an intern or your grandmother. As the marketing leader they are paying you to deliver the result. Put that above everything else especially your ego. That's the biggest difference between the marketing leader and the individual contributor. It's not necessarily your job to do it but its your job to get it DONE.
  14. Do the job internally first before hiring externally. Always test and prove - at least get some signal internally. “What should the role of events manager do?” - no idea, you find out. Ex: you think you want to hire a partner marketing person; great make it part of product marketing's role for a quarter to test and learn. Ex: you want to hire for PR. Great. Make it part of your job for a quarter. You’ll never know what good looks like, how to measure, etc. unless you test it first. You can do this for almost any role / any “job" - I've m...
#42: What it means to be a media company, building an audience, community, & more with Anthony Kennada (Founder of AudiencePlus)21 Nov 202200:53:43

Anthony Kennada is is co-founder & CEO of AudiencePlus, a company building software, content, and community to help businesses become media companies. Prior to founding AudiencePlus, Anthony served as the CMO of Hopin, Front, and Gainsight.

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Here’s how it works:

  1. Results: Demandwell is built for driving the outcomes that b2b marketers care about - demand, traffic, leads, and revenue. 
  2. Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work. 
  3. Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours. 

SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitors


Go to demandwell.com/fomo to get your free SEO consultation today.


Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing the podcast for me. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.

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#41: Building your 2023 marketing plan with Peter Mahoney (CEO at Plannuh)14 Nov 202200:59:45

Dave is joined by Peter Mahoney (Founder & CEO at Plannuh) to break down how to create your 2023 marketing plan. We cover:

1. Overall approach to building a plan

2. Setting goals, metrics, and targets

3. Building a framework for marketing campaigns over the year

4. Modeling funnels and determining cost per opportunity

5. Determining how much marketing budget to spend

6. Selling your plan to the CEO, CFO, and getting it approved


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  2. Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work. 
  3. Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours. 

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#40: How to make marketing bets, a scientific process for generating revenue, & scaling marketing programs with Chris Walker (Refine Labs CEO)08 Nov 202200:49:04

Dave is joined by Chris Walker (CEO, Refine Labs) to share a scientific process/framework you can use to build, prove, and scale marketing programs they call Revenue R&D. This is a great listen for anyone thinking about marketing planning, where to make bets for the year, how to prove new channels, and how to think like an executive when it comes to revenue generation.

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  1. Results: Demandwell is built for driving the outcomes that b2b marketers care about - demand, traffic, leads, and revenue. 
  2. Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work. 
  3. Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours. 

SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitors


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#39: Marketing when there's no urgency to buy, what the CEO wants, & driving predictable demand with John Short (Founder, Compound Growth Marketing)31 Oct 202200:50:46

Dave is joined by John Short, Founder & CEO of Compound Growth Marketing. John spent a decade as a B2B SaaS marketer at LogMeIn, Yesware, and Workable before starting is his own full-funnel marketing agency in 2018. John is focused on helping companies find the right strategy in order to grow, as opposed to just blindly picking from a menu of marketing tactics. His company helps B2B marketers with everything from infrastructure (marketing ops and analytics), customer acquisition, funnel optimization, and scaling growth.

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Here’s how it works:

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  2. Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work. 
  3. Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours. 

SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitors


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#38: 6sense CMO Latane Conant on growing 100% YoY for the last four years, winning through operational excellence, account-based marketing, and more.24 Oct 202200:50:01

Dave is joined by Latane Contant. She's CMO at 6Sense and author of the book "No Forms. No Spam. No Cold Calls." They discuss:

- The underrated ability to drive revenue through operational excellence

- Why 6sense runs a 100% account-based revenue motion

- The daily dashboard she uses and the whole company has visibility into to see how marketing is "doing"

- The power of focusing only on the most winnable accounts

- What she credits 6sense's revenue growth of 100% YoY each of the last 4 years to

- Why you can’t run last minute plays in quarter to close a revenue gap 

- Why she doesn't care if pipeline is sales source or marketing sourced

- An update to her book "No Forms. No Spam. No Cold Calls."

Thanks to Demandwell, our presenting sponsor for the Exit Five podcast.

https://www.demandwell.com/

Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demos


Here’s how it works:

  1. Results: Demandwell is built for driving the outcomes that b2b marketers care about - demand, traffic, leads, and revenue. 
  2. Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work. 
  3. Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours. 

SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitors


Go to demandwell.com/fomo to get your free SEO consultation today.


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#37: Win/Loss Analysis, why people buy, why they leave, and fixing leaks in your funnel19 Oct 202200:59:08

Win/loss analysis is one of the most important tools B2B marketers can be using to get insight and drive revenue across the company. Dave sits down with Trenton Romph, Head of Marketing at Clozd to breakdown how to do win/loss analysis at your company, and this session is a great premer for anyone not familiar with this topic. One of the keys to getting ahead in B2B marketing is to be always be listening / learning for new ideas you can bring into your company to help improve the business, and this is a perfect session for marketers who want to keep a seat at the leadership table. Beyond marketing, win/loss analysis is an incredible tool to help get the whole company rallied around why people buy, why they leave, and what you can do to fix leaks in your funnel.

Thanks to Demandwell, our presenting sponsor for the Exit Five podcast.

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Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demos


Here’s how it works:

  1. Results: Demandwell is built for driving the outcomes that b2b marketers care about - demand, traffic, leads, and revenue. 
  2. Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work. 
  3. Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours. 

SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitors


Go to demandwell.com/fomo to get your free SEO consultation today.


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#36: Community is so hot right now in B2B marketing, what defines a successful community, & more with Common Room COO Jake Randall11 Oct 202201:00:53

Dave is joined by Common Room COO Jake Randall to talk about B2B community building, why top companies like dbt Labs, Asana, Figma, Notion and more are investing in community, what the heck "community" actually means, what success looks like, plus B2B marketing lessons from Jake's 10 year run as VP at Okta.

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Here’s how it works:

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  2. Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work. 
  3. Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours. 

SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitors


Go to demandwell.com/fomo to get your free SEO consultation today.


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#35: Leela Srinivasan (CMO at Checkout.com, former CMO at Momentive.ai aka SurveyMonkey) 04 Oct 202200:45:58

Dave talks to Leela Srinivasan, who is now CMO at Checkout.com during her time as CMO at Survey Monkey in 2020. Leela broke down her marketing rhythms, how she structured her team, performance reviews, and more. This conversation will give you a good look at how a top B2B CMO thinks about marketing and managing her team.

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  3. Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours. 

SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitors


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#158: Career | High-Pressure CMO Roles, Avoiding Burnout, and Growing your Personal Brand with Amanda Goetz15 Jul 202400:47:18

Dave is joined by Amanda Goetz, a 2x founder, 3x CMO, and the author behind the popular weekly newsletter Life's A Game. Amanda shares her expertise in personal and professional growth, brand building, and content creation.

Amanda and Dave cover:

  • How Amanda transformed her LinkedIn strategy to grow her following and engagement
  • The impact of personal branding on social media and its role in business growth
  • Creating a feedback loop to refine and improve content strategy

Timestamps

  • (00:00) - - Intro
  • (08:38) - - How to Use LinkedIn Video
  • (12:06) - - Shifting from Twitter to LinkedIn
  • (15:52) - - Developing a Clearer Target Market and Products
  • (16:35) - - Building Sustainable Momentum Amid Burnout: A CMO's Perspective
  • (20:56) - - Why Your Content Strategy Must Be Focused
  • (28:04) - - The Brand Pyramid
  • (28:59) - - The Emotion Behind Branding
  • (32:29) - - People Are What Matter In Branding Success
  • (38:07) - - The Growing Creator Economy vs. Traditional Corporations
  • (39:25) - - Creating Emotional Brand Connections for Growth Marketing
  • (43:57) - - How Amanda Became a Fractional CMO
  • (46:31) - - Why Amanda Looks to Alex Lieberman for Inspiration

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Marketing budget benchmarks, SaaStr 2022, thought leadership, where to start with demand gen programs, why everyone is talking about community & more28 Sep 202201:00:04

Dave is joined by Shauntle Barley, Director of Marketing at Demandwell, and Egan Montgomery, Director of Go-To-Market at High Alpha for a conversation all across the board in B2B SaaS marketing including marketing budget benchmarks, how to think about building demand gen programs, where to start, thoughts from SaaStr 2022, getting thought leadership from the CEO, finding peers, lessons from Amanda Natividad and Chris Walker, why everyone in B2B is talking about community and more.

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Here’s how it works:

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  2. Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work. 
  3. Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours. 

SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitors


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April Dunford on Marketing Strategy and Positioning Yourself to Win19 Sep 202200:59:12

Dave interviews "Obviously Awesome" author and positioning expert April Dunford.

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Think Like A Media Company (30 Minute Marketing Strategy Discussion)13 Sep 202200:34:18

Dave is in interviewed by Goldcast founder Palash Soni about this idea that B2B marketing teams should be thinking like media companies. They share what "build a media company" actually means for B2B marketers and give you tactical examples and ideas you can bring to your company if you're interested in this idea.

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Here’s how it works:

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