The Block's Head of Growth, Tim Copeland, was joined by Upexi CEO Allan Marshall and CEO Brian Rudick. In this episode, Marshall and Rudick explain why their company is going all-in on Solana as the core of a digital asset treasury strategy. They discuss the upside potential of Solana, staking yields, and how disciplined leverage and capital markets dynamics could mirror or improve on MicroStrategy’s Bitcoin playbook. OUTLINE 00:00 - Intro 00:55 - Why Upexi chose Solana over Bitcoin 02:45 - Staking Solana and revenue benefits 04:41 - Regulatory clarity and the bull case 07:23 - Wen Solana ETF 10:39 - Explaining the premium 15:12 - Risk management  19:18 - Locked SOL supply and market impact 21:39 - GameStop & SharpLink 23:53 - Concerns about treasury strategies 26:32 - Navigating downturns in crypto 31:45 - Looking ahead 33:24 - Conclusion The Block Newsletters The Block's newsletters bring you the latest news and analysis of the fast-moving crypto and DeFi markets. To subscribe, visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠theblock.co/newsletters⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Guest links: Allan Marhsall -⁠ ⁠⁠https://x.com/marshall_a22015 Brian Rudick - https://x.com/thetinyant Upexi - https://www.upexi.com/ Are you hiring in crypto? Use Campus to quickly find your best candidates with our challenging Crypto Assessment Test. Faster hiring, stronger teams. Sign up for a trial today: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠theblock.co/campus

The Block's Head of Growth, Tim Copeland, was joined by Across Protocol Co-Founder Hart Lambur. In this episode, Copeland and Lambur discuss how Across Protocol is looking to revolutionize cross-chain interoperability by using an intent-based system that enables near-instant, secure asset transfers between blockchains. They also touched on Lambur's history as a bond trader at Goldman Sachs, chain abstraction, and crypto treasury companies. OUTLINE 00:00 – Intro 
 00:33 – What is Across Protocol?
 03:42 – How Intent-Based Bridging Works
 05:05 – Solver Mechanics Explained
 06:34 – Fee Structure & Value Prop
 09:07 – Lambur’s history with Goldman Sachs
 11:13 – Across and Intents
 14:57 – The Future of Seamless UX
 19:06 – Onboarding new users
 22:14 – Other Projects Lambur Likes
 26:55 – Market Outlook & Bitcoin Macro
 28:15 – MicroStrategy Copycats Risk?
 31:18 – Closing Remarks The Block Newsletters The Block's newsletters bring you the latest news and analysis of the fast-moving crypto and DeFi markets. To subscribe, visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠theblock.co/newsletters⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Guest links: Hart Lambur - ⁠⁠https://x.com/hal2001 Across Protocol - ⁠https://x.com/AcrossProtocol⁠ Are you hiring in crypto? Use Campus to quickly find your best candidates with our challenging Crypto Assessment Test. Faster hiring, stronger teams. Sign up for a trial today: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠theblock.co/campus

The Block's Editor-in-Chief, Tim Copeland, was joined by Offchain Labs Co-Founder & CEO Steven Goldfeder. In this episode, Copeland and Goldfeder discussed Arbitrum’s latest developments, including the BoLD protocol, which enhances security and decentralization for optimistic rollups. They discuss the broader Ethereum Layer 2 ecosystem and challenges in governance. The conversation also touches on Ethereum’s long-term strategy, competition with Solana, and what a U.S. strategic crypto reserve should consist of. OUTLINE 00:00 Introduction 00:48 Arbitrum’s BoLD move 05:43 How decentralized is Arbitrum today? 11:07 DAO ETH deployment debate 15:25 Layer 2s and Ethereum’s value proposition 18:55 Activity shifting to Solana and Hyperliquid 23:33 Are Layer 2s ready for Appchains? 26:26 The Layer 2 business development battle 29:12 Will Arbitrum share sequencer revenue? 33:23 Lobbying and bribing in Arbitrum governance 37:31 Crypto politics & the U.S. reserve The Block Newsletters The Block's newsletters bring you the latest news and analysis of the fast-moving crypto and DeFi markets. To subscribe, visit theblock.co/newsletters Guest links: Steven Goldfeder - https://www.linkedin.com/in/sgoldfed/ Steven Goldfeder on X - https://x.com/sgoldfed Offchain Labs - https://www.offchainlabs.com/ Offchain Labs on X - https://x.com/OffchainLabs

The Block's Editor-in-Chief, Tim Copeland, was joined by Ethos CEO Trevor Thompson. In this episode, Copeland and Thompson discuss reputation scores in crypto and how Ethos aims to bring accountability through on-chain trust mechanisms. The discussion also covers the potential impact of reputation markets, comparisons to Friend Tech, and how transparency influences trust in the crypto space. OUTLINE 00:00 - Introduction 01:17 - Ethos explained 03:44 - Ethos’s vouching system 06:15 - Reputation growth 07:50 - Points and potential token launch 11:28 - Lessons from Friend.tech 13:58 - Transparency and accountability 18:37 - Building a strong community 23:53 - Preventing scams with reputation scores 29:33 - Weighing reputation scores 33:32 - Ethos markets 40:29 - Potential long cons 42:24 - KOL tokenization and reputation 45:27 - The future of Ethos 48:45 - Closing thoughts The Block Newsletters The Block's newsletters bring you the latest news and analysis of the fast-moving crypto and DeFi markets. To subscribe, visit theblock.co/newsletters Guest links: Trevor Thompson - https://www.linkedin.com/in/trevor-thompson-atx/ Trevor Thompson on X - https://x.com/0x5f_eth Ethos - https://www.ethos.network/ Ethos on X - https://x.com/ethos_network

The Block's Editor-in-Chief, Tim Copeland, was joined by Taiko COO Joaquin Mendes Izard and Commit-Boost/Fabric Shepherd Drew Van Der Werff. In this episode, Copeland, Mendes Izard and Van Der Werff explored based rollups on Ethereum, discussing their benefits, challenges, and how they differ from other Layer 2 solutions. They also address challenges like speed and cost inefficiencies, the potential for pre-confirmations to improve user experience, and the broader implications for Ethereum’s scaling roadmap. OUTLINE 00:00 Intro 00:28 Sponsor break 01:18 What is a based rollup? 02:22 The benefits of based rollups 04:16 How based rollups work 05:42 Do validators opt into this system? 13:05 Revenue streams 17:43 Support for based rollups 25:04 Main challenges for based rollups 29:59 Native rollups 31:07 Layer 2s and interoperability 36:41 Ethereum value capture 41:57 Conclusion The Block Newsletters The Block's newsletters bring you the latest news and analysis of the fast-moving crypto and DeFi markets. To subscribe, visit theblock.co/newsletters Guest links: Drew Van Der Werff - https://www.linkedin.com/in/drew-van-der-werff-cfa-58422348/ Drew Van Der Werff on X - https://x.com/DrewVdW Joaquin Mendes Izard - https://www.linkedin.com/in/joaquin-mendes-izard/ Joaquin Mendes Izard on X - https://x.com/Joaquin_Mendes1 Taiko - https://taiko.xyz/ Commit-Boost - https://x.com/Commit_Boost Fabric - https://x.com/Fabric_ethereum

The Block's Editor-in-Chief, Tim Copeland, was joined by Bio Protocol Co-Founder and CEO Paul Kohlhaas. In this episode, Copeland and Kohlhaas discussed the concept of decentralized science (DeSci) and how Bio Protocol is using blockchain technology to decentralize scientific research and funding. OUTLINE 00:00 Introduction and understanding DeSci 05:39 The typical DeSci participant 10:42 Regulatory concerns 13:29 How Bio works 18:22 Value accrual for Bio 24:25 The role of tokens 32:13 DeSci as the next meta? 43:15 Binance and CZ 47:01 Responsibility in DeSci 50:26 Paul’s entry into the space 56:04 Conclusion The Block Newsletters The Block's newsletters bring you the latest news and analysis of the fast-moving crypto and DeFi markets. To subscribe, visit theblock.co/newsletters Guest links: Paul Kohlhaas - https://www.linkedin.com/in/kohlhaas/ Paul Kohlhaas on X - https://x.com/paulkhls/ Bio Protocol - https://www.bio.xyz/ Bio Protocol on X - https://x.com/bioprotocol

The Block's Editor-in-Chief Tim Copeland was joined by Matter Labs Co-Founder and CEO Alex Gluchowski to discuss the growth of Layer 2 networks and the increasing institutional adoption of blockchain technology. Gluchowski explains how Ethereum is becoming the platform of choice for enterprises and institutions due to its credible neutrality, security, and ability to support private and public chains through technologies like zk-rollups. OUTLINE 00:00 Introduction 03:07 Ethereum's transformation and growth 06:06 Institutional adoption of blockchain 09:10 Ethereum vs. competing platforms 13:40 Interoperability  17:07 Applications 24:43 Value accrual in the ethereum ecosystem 28:17 Native L2 networks 32:50 Application-specific rollups  35:01 Governance tokens  37:48 Future of crypto and regulation 43:11 Decentralization  46:29 Growth and privacy  48:12 Conclusion  The Block Newsletters The Block's newsletters bring you the latest news and analysis of the fast-moving crypto and DeFi markets. To subscribe, visit theblock.co/newsletters Guest links: Alex Gluchowski - https://www.linkedin.com/in/gluchowski/ Alex Gluchowski on X - https://x.com/gluk64 Matter Labs - https://matter-labs.io/ Matter Labs on X - https://x.com/the_matter_labs

The Block's Editor-in-Chief Tim Copeland was joined by Reveel CEO Adrien Stern to discuss ongoing UX issues facing the crypto space and how to find comprehensive solutions. OUTLINE 00:00 Introduction and Trump memecoin 02:44 Crypto payment problems 05:48 Diving deeper into Reveel 13:09 Crypto x AI 16:27 Working towards decentralization 21:36 Ethereum Foundation 28:03 Crypto’s dream UX environment 31:24 Are all stablecoins created equal? 35:04 Shifting regulatory landscape 37:04 Conclusion The Block Newsletters The Block's newsletters bring you the latest news and analysis of the fast-moving crypto and DeFi markets. To subscribe, visit theblock.co/newsletters Guest links: Adrien Stern - https://www.linkedin.com/in/adrienstern Adrien Stern on X - https://x.com/AdrienStern Reveel - https://r3vl.xyz/ Reveel on X - https://x.com/r3vl_xyz

The Block's Editor-in-Chief Tim Copeland was joined by The Block's Policy Reporter Sarah Wynn and Mysten Labs President Kevin Boon to discuss the evolving U.S. regulatory landscape for the crypto industry, particularly following U.S. President Donald Trump's electoral victory. Note: Kevin Boon was Chief Legal Officer at Mysten Labs at time of recording. OUTLINE 00:00 Introduction 03:24 Policy Changes Post-Trump Election 12:30 Regulation by Enforcement and SEC's Culture Shift 18:45 Gary Gensler's Legacy and Industry Impact 24:10 Crypto Regulation 30:04 Wells Notices and SEC Enforcement Actions 34:51 Ripple's Win Over the SEC 39:00 EU's MiCA Regulation and Global Crypto Adoption 42:51 Future of U.S. Crypto Legislation 44:06 Closing Remarks The Block Community The Block is launching a new community experience for fans of The Scoop! Follow us on Lens to stay in the loop: hey.xyz/u/theblockcommunity The Block Newsletters The Block's newsletters bring you the latest news and analysis of the fast-moving crypto and DeFi markets. To subscribe, visit theblock.co/newsletters Kevin Boon and Mysten Labs can be found at the following links: Kevin Boon - https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinboon/ Kevin Boon on X - https://x.com/kevinboon_ml Mysten Labs - https://www.mystenlabs.com/ Mysten Labs on X - https://x.com/Mysten_Labs  

The Block's Editor-in-Chief Tim Copeland was joined by Bitstamp CEO Jean-Baptiste Graftieaux to discuss Robinhood's move to acquire Bitstamp, the recent market surge and the current crypto regulatory landscape. OUTLINE 00:00 Introduction 00:44 Robinhood acquisition 04:15 Robinhood embraces crypto 06:15 European crypto regulations 10:15 Euro vs Dollar stablecoins 13:41 Institutional expansion 15:46 Mt. Gox distributions 17:13 ETFs 21:24 Microstrategy 23:09 US election’s impact 27:23 Strategic Bitcoin reserve 28:33 Closing thoughts The Block Community The Block is launching a new community experience for fans of The Scoop! Follow us on Lens to stay in the loop: hey.xyz/u/theblockcommunity The Block Newsletters The Block's newsletters bring you the latest news and analysis of the fast-moving crypto and DeFi markets. To subscribe, visit theblock.co/newsletters Jean-Baptiste Graftieaux and Bitstamp can be found at the following links: Jean-Baptiste Graftieaux on X - https://x.com/jb_bitstamp Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jb0001/ Bitstamp on X - https://x.com/bitstamp Bitstamp Website - https://www.bitstamp.net/   This episode is brought to you by our sponsor, Bitkey. Get the bitcoin wallet that works like the money apps you already use. Because simplicity is the best security. For a limited time, $99. Buy Bitkey

Arthur Hayes is the CIO of Maelstrom. In this episode, Hayes and Copeland discuss the US election, the role of quantitative easing in driving crypto adoption, the launch of Bitcoin ETFs, and the rise of meme coins.  OUTLINE 00:00 Introduction 02:10 US election predictions 04:58 Quantitative easing 06:47 Fiat endgame 09:35 Next 3 months 13:34 Trump's DeFi project 14:05 JPY carry trade 19:38 Bitcoin ETFs 21:16 Future altcoin ETFs 22:19 Memecoin supercycle 23:07 Truth Terminal 24:05 Airheads NFT project 26:51 Making it all back 28:05 AI's impact on trading 30:09 Exchange listing fees 38:38 Memecoins vs. utility coins 40:50 Closing thoughts The Block Community The Block is launching a new community experience for fans of The Scoop! Follow us on Lens to stay in the loop: hey.xyz/u/theblockcommunity The Block Newsletters The Block's newsletters bring you the latest news and analysis of the fast-moving crypto and DeFi markets. To subscribe, visit theblock.co/newsletters Arthur Hayes and Maelstrom can be found at the following links: X - https://twitter.com/CryptoHayes Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/arthur__hayes Newsletter - https://cryptohayes.substack.com Website - https://maelstrom.fund This episode is brought to you by our sponsor, Bitkey. Get the bitcoin wallet that works like the money apps you already use. Because simplicity is the best security. For a limited time, $99. Buy Bitkey

Edan Yago is the Co-Founder and CEO of BitcoinOS, and Francesca Conti is the Web 3 Accelerator Leader at Outlier Ventures. In this episode, Yago and Conti discuss the current state and future potential of the Bitcoin DeFi ecosystem. OUTLINE 00:00 INTRO 00:41 What is Bitcoin DeFi? 04:03 How does it work? 10:59 Developments in the space 14:29 Investment opportunities 20:11 Value flow back to Bitcoin 29:28 Does DeFi matter? 34:08 Bitcoin DeFi challenges 36:32 What’s next for Bitcoin DeFi 41:14 Conclusion The Block Community The Block is launching a new community experience for fans of The Scoop! Follow us on Lens to stay in the loop: hey.xyz/u/theblockcommunity The Block Newsletters The Block's newsletters bring you the latest news and analysis of the fast-moving crypto and DeFi markets. To subscribe, visit theblock.co/newsletters GUEST LINKS Francesca Conti - https://www.linkedin.com/in/francescajconti/ Outlier Ventures - https://outlierventures.io/ Edan Yago - https://x.com/edanyago BitcoinOS - https://www.bitcoinos.build/ This episode is brought to you by our sponsor, Bitkey. Get the bitcoin wallet that works like the money apps you already use. Because simplicity is the best security. For a limited time, $99. Buy Bitkey

The Block's Head of Growth, Tim Copeland, was joined by Thrive Founder Daniel Jacobs. In this episode, Jacobs shares how Thrive uses a mix of expert and AI agent reviewers to validate contributions, making grant funding faster, fairer, and ensure they are supporting the creation of value. Jacobs also critiques the value-extraction mindset in crypto and advocates for a shift toward long-term value creation and ecosystem sustainability. OUTLINE 00:00 – Introduction 01:03 – The Origin of Thrive 04:23 – Reviewer Incentives  05:35 – AI Agent Adoption 08:52 – Confirming AI Accuracy 12:36 – Comparisons to Kaito 13:58 – Growth Metrics 16:26 – Challenges in Crypto Grant Funding 20:50 – Extracting vs. Creating Value 25:07 – Are VCs good for the space? 28:37 – Moving into “Fundamental Season” 30:07 – Interesting projects 31:17 – Daniel’s Predictions for 2025 31:42 – Closing Thoughts The Block Newsletters The Block's newsletters bring you the latest news and analysis of the fast-moving crypto and DeFi markets. To subscribe, visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠theblock.co/newsletters⁠⁠⁠⁠ Guest links: Daniel Jacobs - ⁠https://x.com/thrivegiraffe Thrive Protocol - https://x.com/thriveprotocol Are you hiring in crypto? Use Campus to quickly find your best candidates with our challenging Crypto Assessment Test. Faster hiring, stronger teams. Sign up for a trial today: ⁠⁠⁠⁠theblock.co/campus

Nick Johnson is the Founder and Lead Developer of ENS. In this episode, Johnson and Copeland discussed Namechain, ENS Labs' new "L2-agnostic" rollup, and the ongoing development of the decentralized naming service protocol. OUTLINE 00:00 Introduction 01:27 Namechain 05:59 Backwards compatibility 08:00 ENS name trading 13:12 The necessity of name chain 15:04 Beyond Ethereal 16:58 Venmo & Paypal 18:08 The Ethereum Foundation 19:57 Challenges of the Ethereum Blockchain 22:25 Evolution and growth of ENS 24:33 Ethereum ETF 25:00 Conclusion The Block Community The Block is launching a new community experience for fans of The Scoop! Follow us on Lens to stay in the loop: hey.xyz/u/theblockcommunity The Block Newsletters The Block's newsletters bring you the latest news and analysis of the fast-moving crypto and DeFi markets. To subscribe, visit theblock.co/newsletters Nick Johnson X - https://x.com/nicksdjohnson Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicksdjohnson/?originalSubdomain=nz ENS X - https://x.com/ensdomains Website - https://ens.domains/ This episode is brought to you by our sponsor, Bitkey. Get the bitcoin wallet that works like the money apps you already use. Because simplicity is the best security. For a limited time, $99. Buy Bitkey

OUTLINE 00:00 Introduction 02:28 U.S. election 04:22 David Hoffman fight 10:05 Web2/Web3 14:59 Infinex 23:07 Taking on MetaMask and Binance 30:40 NFT 35:34 Infinex's impact on Synthenix 39:49 World Liberty Financial 43:07 ICOs and shifted Metas 50:35 Trump in 2017 55:36 Next Infinex integrations 1:03:58 Concluding thoughts

Former Mt. Gox CEO Mark Karpeles joined Tim Copeland to discuss his return to the crypto space with the launch of a new exchange: EllipX. OUTLINE 00:00 Introduction 04:37 - Another exchange? 6:20 - Trust issues 12:44 - Why Europe? 15:15 - Security features 17:55 - FTX collapse opens the market 25:09 - Post-FTX collapse 31:54 - Ungox 36:47 - Mt Gox repayments 40:38 - Closing thoughts

Ikigai CIO Travis Kling joined Tim Copeland to discuss how crypto's lack of real-world adoption is causing market veterans to question the industry's future. OUTLINE 00:00 Introduction 00:38 Is crypto “quiet quitting”? 08:24 Burnout 13:27 Where’s the meta? 20:30 Greed over tech 25:55 Main character avoidant syndrome 26:40 Trump to the rescue 37:40 Debate/election thoughts 42:01 World Liberty Financial 45:53 Crypto contributions to Kamala’s PAC 47:14 Closing thoughts

Tim Copeland and RT Watson were joined by the co-founders of Hivemapper, Helium and Helio to discuss projects on the Solana blockchain and bringing crypto to real life. OUTLINE 00:00 Introduction 00:41 Is adoption close? 4:57 Challenges to adoption 07:20 Sustainable incentive models 14:48 Balancing supply & demand 20:44 Helio on stablecoin adoption 26:59 Onboarding non-crypto companies 31:08 Network coverage 37:06 Solana volatility and its effects 44:02 Breakpoint vibes 45:45 What’s next for DePIN?

Tim Copeland is joined by Euler Labs co-founder and CEO Michael Bentley to discuss the launch of Euler v2, and how the Euler team recovered from a $240M hack.

Time Copeland is joined by Ethan Francis and Burnt Banksy to discuss chain abstraction and its importance in simplifying crypto UX.

Timccopeland is joined by team members from Hamster Kombat, GAMEE, and TON_Ventures to discuss the emerging TON gaming ecosystem.

The Block’s Editor-In-Chief Tim Copeland was joined by four leading experts to discuss the recent sell-off in both crypto and traditional markets while on the inaugural episode of the Block’s new podcast, “The Crypto Beat.” OUTLINE 00:00 Introduction 00:48 The Impact of Uncertainties on the Crypto Market 04:00 The Potential of ETFs and the Mt. Gox Situation 07:50 The Idea of the US Government Buying Bitcoin 12:36 Short-Term Uncertainty, Long-Term Optimism

The Block's Head of Growth, Tim Copeland, was joined by Metamask Co-Founder Dan Finlay. In this episode, Copeland and Finlay discuss the evolution of the crypto industry, the intersection of blockchain and AI, and MetaMask's goal to build a wallet for a much broader audience outside of crypto natives. OUTLINE 00:00 - Introduction 00:42 - Crypto’s evolution 02:57 - MetaMask's strategy 04:39 - Mainstream Use Cases  07:20 - MetaMask’s Grants Program 10:57 - Challenges in Building MetaMask 15:17 - Improving Multi-Chain UX 17:16 - The Pectra Upgrade 23:06 - MetaMask’s revenue streams 25:33 - From Memes to Fundamentals 27:58 - Experimenting with AI  32:19 - The Solana Meme Coin 37:04 - Native Support for Solana  40:09 - The Changing U.S. Regulatory Landscape 41:20 - The Elusive MetaMask Token 42:17 - Hopes for the Future 43:01 - Conclusion The Block Newsletters The Block's newsletters bring you the latest news and analysis of the fast-moving crypto and DeFi markets. To subscribe, visit ⁠⁠⁠theblock.co/newsletters⁠⁠⁠ Guest links: Dan Finlay - https://x.com/danfinlay MetaMask - ⁠⁠https://x.com/MetaMask Are you hiring in crypto? Use Campus to quickly find your best candidates with our challenging Crypto Assessment Test. Faster hiring, stronger teams. Sign up for a trial today: ⁠⁠⁠theblock.co/campus

The Block's Editor-in-Chief, Tim Copeland, was joined by Backed Finance Co-Founder Adam Levi. In this episode, Copeland and Levi discuss the rise and future of tokenized equities, and how it could prove to be bigger than stablecoins. OUTLINE 00:00 - Introduction 00:46 - Observations From Token2049 02:14 - Adam’s Experience in the Space 03:51 - Understanding the Business Model 08:28 - Another Crypto Collapse? 11:56 - Why Tokenized Equities Are Gaining Steam 15:58 - Regulatory Concerns and Global Access 18:46 - Adoption Barriers 20:10 - Unlocking DeFi With Real-World Assets 23:06 - Yield-Bearing Stablecoins  25:21 - Coming Next in Tokenized Equities 26:01 - Conclusion The Block Newsletters The Block's newsletters bring you the latest news and analysis of the fast-moving crypto and DeFi markets. To subscribe, visit ⁠⁠theblock.co/newsletters⁠⁠ Guest links: Adam Levi - https://x.com/leviadam1 Backed Finance - ⁠https://x.com/BackedFi Are you hiring in crypto? Use Campus to quickly find your best candidates with our challenging Crypto Assessment Test. Faster hiring, stronger teams. Sign up for a trial today: ⁠⁠theblock.co/campus

The Block's Editor-in-Chief, Tim Copeland, was joined by PayPal's SVP of Blockchain, Crypto and Digital Currencies, Jose Fernandez da Ponte. In this episode, Copeland and da Ponte discuss PayPal’s vision and progress in crypto, including its stablecoin PYUSD, payment use cases, and how PayPal is looking to position itself as a major player in blockchain-based finance. OUTLINE 00:00 - Introduction 03:03 - PayPal’s journey into crypto 06:31 - Top requested features: tokens and yield 11:21 - Navigating regulation 15:09 - The Popularity of crypto on PayPal 18:49 - Circle’s new cross-border payments network 19:56 - Measuring success with PYUSD 23:09 - Supporting other stablecoins 24:05 - Can PYUSD rival Tether or USDC? 27:35 - BlackRock and TradFi entering crypto 29:51 - Using stablecoins in real business payments 30:42 - How crypto will change financial services 34:16 - PayPal’s long-term crypto ambitions 37:12 - Closing thoughts The Block Newsletters The Block's newsletters bring you the latest news and analysis of the fast-moving crypto and DeFi markets. To subscribe, visit ⁠theblock.co/newsletters⁠ Guest links: Jose Fernandez da Ponte - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jose-fernandez-da-ponte-a46ba81/ PayPal - https://x.com/PayPal Are you hiring in crypto? Use Campus to quickly find your best candidates with our challenging Crypto Assessment Test. Faster hiring, stronger teams. Sign up for a trial today: ⁠theblock.co/campus

The Block's Editor-in-Chief, Tim Copeland, was joined by OP Labs Co-Founder and Systems Engineer Mark Tyneway. In this episode, Copeland and Tyneway discuss the progress and current state of Optimism. Tyneway unpacked OP Labs' focus on user experience and interoperability, and how crypto's future could become more app-focused. OUTLINE 00:00 - Introduction 00:48 - Optimism’s Growth and Ecosystem Highlights 05:04 - Crypto’s App-Focused Future 06:57 - Native Interoperability and Cross-Chain Messaging 16:10 - Adoption Through Apps 20:18 - Staying Focused on the Vision 25:23 - Crypto’s Growing Relevancy 27:51 - Value Accrual to ETH vs Layer 2s 33:12 - The Super Token 36:00 - ZK Proofs 39:24 - Biggest Challenges for Layer 2 Growth 40:43 - Optimism’s 2025 Vision 41:36 - Outro and Final Thanks The Block Newsletters The Block's newsletters bring you the latest news and analysis of the fast-moving crypto and DeFi markets. To subscribe, visit theblock.co/newsletters Guest links: Mark Tyneway - https://x.com/tyneslol OP Labs - https://x.com/OPLabsPBC Optimism - https://x.com/Optimism Are you hiring in crypto? Use Campus to quickly find your best candidates with our challenging Crypto Assessment Test. Faster hiring, stronger teams. Sign up for a trial today: theblock.co/campus

The Block's Editor-in-Chief, Tim Copeland, was joined by Aave-Chan Initiative Founder Marc Zeller. In this episode, Copeland and Zeller discussed Aave's decentralization, the Horizon Initiative, and the ACI's "most important proposal" of a six-month, $1 million dollar per week buyback program. OUTLINE 00:00 - Introduction 05:15 - The most Important Proposal 07:32 - DeFi Isn't Dead — It's Maturing 10:43 - Buybacks 17:16 - Liquidity Incentives and Yield Optimization 25:23 - The Horizon Plan 32:49 - GHO and Stablecoin adoption 38:42 - Embracing Competition to Grow GHO 40:14 - Bitcoin-Backed Loans  43:09 - Bullish Outlook on Ethereum 48:12 - Building on Mainnet vs. L2 51:31 - Fixing Ethereum 54:10 - Outro and Final Thoughts The Block Newsletters The Block's newsletters bring you the latest news and analysis of the fast-moving crypto and DeFi markets. To subscribe, visit theblock.co/newsletters Guest links: Marc Zeller - https://x.com/lemiscate Aave-Chan Initiative - https://x.com/Aavechan Are you hiring in crypto? Use Campus to quickly find your best candidates with our challenging Crypto Assessment Test. Faster hiring, stronger teams. Sign up for a trial today: theblock.co/campus

The Block's Editor-in-Chief, Tim Copeland, was joined by Morpho Co-Founder & CEO Paul Frambot. In this episode, Copeland and Frambot discussed Morpho, a permissionless lending and borrowing infrastructure that allows builders and platforms to create their own products. The discussion also covers Morpho's integration with Coinbase, the evolution of crypto lending, the and the potential future of layer-2 solutions and app-specific chains. OUTLINE 00:00 Introduction 00:24 Sponsor break 01:14 What Is Morpho? 05:03 Shifting From End To End Products 07:35 Morpho Token 11:12 Protocol Fees and Monetization 13:13 Surge in TVL 17:27 Evolution of DeFi Lending 21:44 Coinbase Integration 26:37 The Future of Crypto Lending 33:18 The Success of Stablecoins 36:30 App Chains and Layer 2s 40:20 What’s Next For Morpho & Conclusion The Block Newsletters The Block's newsletters bring you the latest news and analysis of the fast-moving crypto and DeFi markets. To subscribe, visit theblock.co/newsletters Guest links: Paul Frambot - https://x.com/PaulFrambot Morpho - https://x.com/MorphoLabs Are you hiring in crypto? Use Campus to quickly find your best candidates with our challenging Crypto Assessment Test. Faster hiring, stronger teams. Sign up for a trial today: theblock.co/campus This episode is brought to you by our sponsor: Awaken Use Awaken to save time and money on your taxes. Go to https://awaken.tax/ to learn more.

The Block's Editor-in-Chief, Tim Copeland, was joined by Superfluid Co-Founder & CEO Fran Renzi. In this episode, Copeland and Renzi discussed Superfluid, a protocol that allows for continuous, second-by-second streaming of cryptocurrency payments. Renzi explains how the protocol works by using a different accounting method than traditional token transfers, allowing for more efficient and scalable recurring payments, with potential applications in areas like employee compensation, subscription services, and gaming. OUTLINE 00:00 Introduction 00:25 Sponsor break 01:14 Diving Into Superfluid 04:27 How Superfluid Works 08:49 The Accountant’s Nightmare 11:05 Scaling 17:10 Going Cross-Chain 21:32 Garnering Participation 24:02 Hacker House Results 29:24 Meme Coins vs Utility Season 32:49 Reasons For Money Streaming 39:57 Smart Contracts and Smarter Payroll 43:18 Banks, Blockchains, and Bottlenecks 49:17 Streaming For Games 50:55 Conclusion The Block Newsletters The Block's newsletters bring you the latest news and analysis of the fast-moving crypto and DeFi markets. To subscribe, visit theblock.co/newsletters Guest links: Fran Renzi - https://x.com/francescorenzia Superfluid - https://x.com/superfluid_HQ Are you hiring in crypto? Use Campus to quickly find your best candidates with our challenging Crypto Assessment Test. Faster hiring, stronger teams. Sign up for a trial today: theblock.co/campus This episode is brought to you by our sponsor: Awaken Use Awaken to save time and money on your taxes. Go to https://awaken.tax/ to learn more.

In this episode of the Crypto Beat, Kelvin Sparks chats with Alex Gluchowski, co-founder and CEO of Matter Labs to discuss the Atlas upgrade, which promises to revolutionize performance and privacy. They explore zero-knowledge proofs and their role in scaling Ethereum. They also discuss the cypherpunk ethos, technological challenges, and Matter Labs' vision for the future. OUTLINE 00:00 – Introduction 00:31 – Privacy: The New Meta 02:45 – Cypherpunk Roots 04:29 – User Experience of Scaled Privacy 07:24 – Trust Assumptions in Privacy 09:25 – Incorruptible Financial Systems 14:15 – Innovation in Cryptography 19:13 – Rewarding Experiences at Matter Labs 22:01 – Navigating Challenges 24:17 – Introducing the Atlas Upgrade 30:53 – Benefits of Instant Settlement The Block Newsletters The Block's newsletters bring you the latest news and analysis of the fast-moving crypto and DeFi markets. To subscribe, visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠theblock.co/newsletters⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Guest links: Alex Gluchowski - https://x.com/gluk64 Matter Labs - https://x.com/the_matter_labs ZKsync - https://x.com/zksync Are you hiring in crypto? Use Campus to quickly find your best candidates with our challenging Crypto Assessment Test. Faster hiring, stronger teams. Sign up for a trial today: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠theblock.co/campus

The Crypto Beat's Co-Host Kelvin Sparks, was joined by GOAT Network Co-Founder and CEO Kevin Liu in Seoul, South Korea on the sidelines of Korea Blockchain Week in this episode sponsored by GOAT Network. Kevin explains how his team is scaling Bitcoin through a ZK rollup Layer 2 that maintains Bitcoin’s core security while unlocking new use cases. OUTLINE 00:00 - Introduction 00:36 - Bitcoin ideology and early influences 01:27 - Goat Network’s vision for Bitcoin Layer 2 02:29 - Unlocking Bitcoin’s potential through scalability 03:40 - Evolution from BitVM to GoatBitVM 06:37 - Preserving Bitcoin security in Layer 2 design 09:40 - Trade-offs in building ZK rollups for Bitcoin 11:00 - Lessons learned from Ethereum rollups 13:16 - Yield generation on Bitcoin with Goat Network 16:55 - Balancing sustainability and slashing risk 18:57 - Running a node and sequencer competition 20:09 - Differentiating yield strategies from corporates 22:46 - Opcodes and technical trade-offs 24:02 - Building the Goat Network community 28:31 - Token launch and future of Bitcoin Layer 2 The Block Newsletters The Block's newsletters bring you the latest news and analysis of the fast-moving crypto and DeFi markets. To subscribe, visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠theblock.co/newsletters⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Guest links: Kevin Liu - https://x.com/kevinliub GOAT Network - https://x.com/GOATRollup Are you hiring in crypto? Use Campus to quickly find your best candidates with our challenging Crypto Assessment Test. Faster hiring, stronger teams. Sign up for a trial today: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠theblock.co/campus

The Block's Head of Growth, Tim Copeland, was joined by Silhouette Founder Chandler De Kock. In this episode, Copeland and De Kock discuss Silhouette and dark pools, the integration of privacy features into DeFi, and the implications for market transparency. The conversation also touches on the role of market makers and recent industry trends on token launches. OUTLINE 00:00 – Introduction 00:36 – Dark Pools Explained 03:34 – Ensuring Private Transactions 07:39 – Maintaining Standards 12:57 – Hyperliquid. 15:44 – James Wynn and Public Positions 19:48 – Challenges and Opportunities 21:38 – Market Maker Engagement 23:33 – Next Steps to Launch 28:55 – Conclusion The Block Newsletters The Block's newsletters bring you the latest news and analysis of the fast-moving crypto and DeFi markets. To subscribe, visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠theblock.co/newsletters⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Guest links: Chandler De Kock -⁠ https://x.com/chandlerdkk Silhouette - https://x.com/silhouette_exhttps://x.com/silhouette_ex Are you hiring in crypto? Use Campus to quickly find your best candidates with our challenging Crypto Assessment Test. Faster hiring, stronger teams. Sign up for a trial today: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠theblock.co/campus

The Block's Head of Growth, Tim Copeland, was joined by Alluvial CEO Mara Schmiedt. In this episode of The Crypto Beat, Copeland and Schmiedt discuss Alluvial's role in shaping institutional Ethereum staking. Schmiedt also discusses a new partnership between Liquid Collective and Galaxy, and shares insights on market trends, compliance, and the future of crypto regulations. OUTLINE 00:00 – Introduction 00:34 – Alluvial's Mission 02:29 – Compliance and KYC 05:12 – ETH Withdrawals 06:05 – Partnership with Galaxy 08:02 – Institutional Staking Demand 10:06 – Adding ETH to balance sheets 12:38 – Convergence of Crypto and TradFi 14:24 – Institutional Adoption and Compliance 15:27 – SEC Staking Guidance 18:33 – Growth of Liquid Staking Tokens 20:06 – US Staking Lawsuits 21:21 – ETFs and Staking 25:50 – Future of Staking 26:57 – Conclusion The Block Newsletters The Block's newsletters bring you the latest news and analysis of the fast-moving crypto and DeFi markets. To subscribe, visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠theblock.co/newsletters⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Guest links: Mara Schmiedt - https://x.com/MaraSchmiedt Alluvial - ⁠https://x.com/alluvialfinance Are you hiring in crypto? Use Campus to quickly find your best candidates with our challenging Crypto Assessment Test. Faster hiring, stronger teams. Sign up for a trial today: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠theblock.co/campus

The Block's Head of Growth, Tim Copeland was joined by Jito Co-Founder & CEO Lucas Bruder and Jito Foundation Chief Commercial Officer Thomas Uhm. In this episode, Tim, Thomas and Lucas discuss the evolving U.S. regulatory stance on crypto, including the SEC’s Project Crypto and rulings on liquid staking, and how innovations like BAM and JitoSOL could unlock institutional adoption, tighter markets, and broader yield opportunities. OUTLINE 00:00 – Introduction 01:18 – What is Liquid Staking? 04:00 – SEC's Stance on Liquid Staking 07:23 – Impact on Solana and Ecosystems 12:05 – Institutional Adoption 16:21 – ETFs and Liquid Staking 18:37 – Layer One Announcements 24:11 – Introducing BAM 27:52 – Solana Ecosystem Sentiment 30:21 – Solana vs. Ethereum 33:53 – Future of Blockchains 39:15 – Future Priorities for Jito The Block Newsletters The Block's newsletters bring you the latest news and analysis of the fast-moving crypto and DeFi markets. To subscribe, visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠theblock.co/newsletters⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Guest links: Thomas Uhm - https://x.com/ThomasUhm Lucas Bruder - https://x.com/buffalu__ Jito - https://x.com/jito_sol Jito Foundation - https://x.com/JitoFDN Are you hiring in crypto? Use Campus to quickly find your best candidates with our challenging Crypto Assessment Test. Faster hiring, stronger teams. Sign up for a trial today: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠theblock.co/campus

The Block's Head of Growth, Tim Copeland, and co-host Kelvin Sparks were joined by CoinFund’s Kavan Canekeratne. In this episode, Tim, Kelvin and Kavan discuss the evolving U.S. regulatory stance on crypto, including the SEC’s Project Crypto and rulings on liquid staking. He explains the rise of perpetuals, tokenized assets, stablecoins, and the competitive dynamics of exchanges, while highlighting risks around leverage, meme coins, and treasury companies. The discussion closes with Ethereum vs. Solana, Bitcoin DeFi, and the growing overlap between crypto and gambling. OUTLINE 00:00 - Introduction 00:42 - Crypto in 401Ks and U.S. regulatory shifts 03:42 - Roman Storm trial  04:47 - Explosion of perpetuals trading 06:18 - Exchange competition 07:38 - Tokenized stocks and global adoption 11:12 - Risks of leverage and stablecoin clarity 16:30 - Tokenized RWAs  17:32 - Ethereum’s resurgence vs. Solana’s momentum 22:37 - Rollups, UX improvements, and scaling Ethereum 24:48 - Meme coins, NFTs, and evolving adoption cycles 30:32 - Bitcoin DeFi & treasury companies 40:08 - Closing remarks The Block Newsletters The Block's newsletters bring you the latest news and analysis of the fast-moving crypto and DeFi markets. To subscribe, visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠theblock.co/newsletters⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Guest links: Kavan Canekeratne - ⁠https://x.com/kavancane Coinfund -⁠ https://x.com/coinfund_io Are you hiring in crypto? Use Campus to quickly find your best candidates with our challenging Crypto Assessment Test. Faster hiring, stronger teams. Sign up for a trial today: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠theblock.co/campus

The Block's Head of Growth, Tim Copeland, and co-host Kelvin Sparks was joined by Securitize President Michael Sonnenshein. In this episode, Sonnenshein explores the evolving market for tokenized securities, and explains the advantages of bringing traditional assets like equities, treasuries, and private credit onto public blockchains in a fully regulated, investor-protective way. OUTLINE 00:00 – Introduction 00:37 – Promotion to President 01:28 – White House Digital Asset Report 03:44 – Regulatory Interest in Security Tokens 05:40 – Vision for Tokenized Equities 09:07 – Demand for Tokenized Treasuries 10:38 – Path to One Trillion in Tokenized Securities 12:38 – Robinhood and Tokenized Equities 15:24 – Benefits of Tokenized Equities 19:43 – Hamilton Lane Integration with Elixir 22:05 – Grayscale Bitcoin ETF Reflections 23:30 – SEC and In-kind Redemption 26:08 – Future of ETFs 26:17 – Systemic Risk of Bitcoin Treasury Companies 28:26 – Conclusion The Block Newsletters The Block's newsletters bring you the latest news and analysis of the fast-moving crypto and DeFi markets. To subscribe, visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠theblock.co/newsletters⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Guest links: Michael Sonnenshein - https://x.com/Sonnenshein Securitize -⁠ https://x.com/Securitize Are you hiring in crypto? Use Campus to quickly find your best candidates with our challenging Crypto Assessment Test. Faster hiring, stronger teams. Sign up for a trial today: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠theblock.co/campus

The Block's Head of Growth, Tim Copeland, was joined by Federico Brokate, head of U.S. Business at 21Shares. In this episode, Tim and Federico discuss the remarkable success of Bitcoin ETFs. Brokate delves into institutional adoption trends, future crypto ETF developments, and potential shifts in market dynamics. The conversation also touches on burgeoning institutional interest in new crypto assets. OUTLINE 00:00 – Introduction 00:25 – Bitcoin ETFs' Success 04:43 – Hedge Funds and Basis Trade 06:11 – Options on ETFs 09:35 – From BlackRock to 21Shares 11:49 – International vs US Demand 14:49 – Selecting Assets 18:18 – Next Major Developments in Crypto ETFS 22:24 – Tokenized Equities 23:45 – Composable ETFs and DeFi 24:57 – Regulatory Environment Shifts 26:43 – Bitcoin Treasury Concerns 29:05 – Systemic Risk in Crypto Markets 29:53 – Conclusion The Block Newsletters The Block's newsletters bring you the latest news and analysis of the fast-moving crypto and DeFi markets. To subscribe, visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠theblock.co/newsletters⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Guest links: Federico - ⁠⁠https://x.com/Fede_Brokate 21Shares - https://x.com/21Shares Are you hiring in crypto? Use Campus to quickly find your best candidates with our challenging Crypto Assessment Test. Faster hiring, stronger teams. Sign up for a trial today: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠theblock.co/campus

The Block's Head of Growth, Tim Copeland, was joined by Veda co-founder and CEO Sun Raghupathi. Tim and Sun discussed how DeFi vaults are simplifying complex finance systems and looking to drive mainstream and institutional adoption. Sun explained on Veda's Vault architecture, the importance of security, and the evolving competitive landscape in the DeFi space. OUTLINE 00:00 – Introduction 00:25 – What is Veda? 03:31 – Potential Contagion Risks 04:30 – GMX Hack 05:39 – DeFi Hacks  08:16 – Challenges of Building Vaults 09:48 – DeFi's Evolution 15:23 – Institutional Involvement 16:58 – Vault Uses in TradFi 17:47 – Tokenized Stocks 20:44 – Vaults vs. Staking 22:48 – Types of Vault Strategies 24:39 – AI in Vault Management 25:47 – Veda’s Future Plans 26:37 – Conclusion The Block Newsletters The Block's newsletters bring you the latest news and analysis of the fast-moving crypto and DeFi markets. To subscribe, visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠theblock.co/newsletters⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Guest links: Sun - ⁠https://x.com/sunandr_ Veda - ⁠⁠https://x.com/veda_labs Are you hiring in crypto? Use Campus to quickly find your best candidates with our challenging Crypto Assessment Test. Faster hiring, stronger teams. Sign up for a trial today: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠theblock.co/campus

The Block's Head of Growth, Tim Copeland, was joined by OpenLedger Core Contributor Ram Kumar in this episodes sponsored by OpenLedger. Tim and Ram discussed the emerging intersection of decentralized AI and blockchain technology. Ram explains how OpenLedger is building infrastructure to let users contribute proprietary data to train AI models, with on-chain attribution and rewards for data contributors. The conversation covers OpenLedger’s upcoming mainnet launch, tokenomics, and the broader promise of creating a transparent, community-driven AI economy. OUTLINE 00:00 – Introduction 01:02 – What is Openledger? 02:27 – Data Contribution Model 08:47 – Access to Agents 15:16 – Ensuring Quality Data 19:09 – Incentive Structures 23:18 – The Role of Tokens 24:56 – The Convergence of AI and Crypto 27:53 – Competing with Centralized Systems 30:23 – Openledger's Future and Success 33:32 – Data Economy Insights 36:17 – Conclusion The Block Newsletters The Block's newsletters bring you the latest news and analysis of the fast-moving crypto and DeFi markets. To subscribe, visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠theblock.co/newsletters⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Guest links: Ram -⁠ https://x.com/Ramkumartweet⁠ OpenLedger - ⁠https://x.com/OpenledgerHQ⁠ Are you hiring in crypto? Use Campus to quickly find your best candidates with our challenging Crypto Assessment Test. Faster hiring, stronger teams. Sign up for a trial today: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠theblock.co/campus

The Block's Head of Growth, Tim Copeland, was joined by Co-Host Kelvin Sparks and memecoin aficionado Murad. In this episode, Murad argues that the future of crypto lies in belief-driven, community-powered assets rather than short-term speculation or utility tokens. He explains why meme coins like SPX6900 are not just speculative plays but cultural and spiritual movements that offer their holders meaning, identity, and potential financial upside. OUTLINE 00:00 – Introduction 00:47 – Memecoin Landscape 04:58 – Rise of Bonk.Fun 07:10 – The next six months 09:15 – SPX6900 as a Schelling Point 18:33 – Responsibilities with Memecoins 23:45 – Flipping the Stock Market  29:23 – Memecoin mullet 34:13 – Memecoin strategy 38:55 – Bitcoin Treasury Trade 45:47 – Crypto's Future 48:17 – Murad's Motivation in Crypto 52:56 – Creating or Moving Value 54:56 – Conclusion The Block Newsletters The Block's newsletters bring you the latest news and analysis of the fast-moving crypto and DeFi markets. To subscribe, visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠theblock.co/newsletters⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Guest links: Murad - https://x.com/MustStopMurad Are you hiring in crypto? Use Campus to quickly find your best candidates with our challenging Crypto Assessment Test. Faster hiring, stronger teams. Sign up for a trial today: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠theblock.co/campus

The Block's Head of Growth, Tim Copeland, was joined by Wormhole Co-Founder Robinson Burkey. In this episode, Copeland and Burkey discuss the growing adoption of multi-chain frameworks and increasing institutional interest in blockchain technology. The conversation also touches on tokenized assets and the growing emphasis on revenue in the crypto space. OUTLINE 00:00 – Introduction 01:22 – Wormhole’s growth 04:07 – Which chains are seeing growth 06:47 – RWAs 08:57 – Tokenized Credit 11:47 – Wormhole's Role in RWA 14:14 – Institutional adoption 17:45 – Institution’s opening up to crypto 20:23 – Future Crypto Expansion 23:05 – IPOs and On-Chain Opportunities 25:54 – Wormhole’s Governance Model 32:06 – Effects of Shifting US regulations  36:00 – Potential For Revenue Sharing 37:51 – Conclusion The Block Newsletters The Block's newsletters bring you the latest news and analysis of the fast-moving crypto and DeFi markets. To subscribe, visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠theblock.co/newsletters⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Guest links: Robinson Burkey -⁠ https://x.com/RobinsonBurkey Wormhole Foundation - https://x.com/wormholefdn Are you hiring in crypto? Use Campus to quickly find your best candidates with our challenging Crypto Assessment Test. Faster hiring, stronger teams. Sign up for a trial today: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠theblock.co/campus