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Two weeks before this conversation, I walked into Weatherford Equine Medical Center at 5 a.m. with a sick colt. Dr. Andrew Willis — board-certified equine internal medicine specialist — was on call. The outcome wasn't what anyone wanted, but it led to this episode, recorded so other horse owners don't have to learn the hard way.

Andrew didn't grow up around horses. A summer job weeding flower beds on an Oklahoma ranch at 14 turned into four years of working cattle, roping, and showing cutting horses. One afternoon in vet school, watching a mentor diagnose a horse just by looking at it, he knew exactly who he wanted to be.

In this episode, he explains:

• The #1 preventable issue in newborn foals — and why the first 24 hours matter
• A practical foal-to-yearling protocol: core vs. risk-based vaccines, deworming, and fecal egg counts
• Why he adds tetanus every six months, pairs intranasal and injectable flu vaccines, and boosts West Nile in the fall in Texas
• The warning signs every owner should know — and how colic looks different in foals
• The decimal point that cost a horse its life early in his career, and the lesson he never forgot
• Why AI may soon bring specialist-level care to rural horse owners
• The conversation every owner should have before the 2 a.m. emergency — including what your insurance actually covers

Enjoy the show!

This episode is brought to you by Kimes Ranch, Bluebonnet Feeds and Kerry Kelley Bits and Spurs. 

Clinton Anderson built an empire training horses — but in this clip, he reveals the real skill that made him rich: managing people, not animals. Nine years of therapy later, he's finally saying out loud what he was really thinking for two decades while smiling at customers and biting his tongue.
In this episode, Clinton opens up about:
🔹 The "pool boy" era of his career — and why biting his tongue for 20 years nearly broke him
🔹 Why 80% of his customers are women, and what that taught him about who's actually willing to learn
🔹 The math behind Down Under Horsemanship: $40 from 10,000 people beats $200K from one — and why that's the real Walmart-vs-Mercedes lesson in business
🔹 Why he walked away from reining's "tribal, cutthroat" culture for the cow horse world — and what he found there instead
🔹 His theory on authenticity, dating, sales, and why trying to please everyone is the fastest way to fail
🔹 The most embarrassing 15 minutes of his career — 3,000 people about to walk through the door, and everything that could go wrong, did
This is Clinton unfiltered — no polish, no PR, just three decades of hard-earned truth about horses, people, and building something real.

Enjoy the show!

This episode is brought to you by Kimes Ranch, Kerry Kelley Bits and Spurs and Bluebonnet Feeds. 

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He grew up eating squirrel and rabbit, didn't taste his first steak until he was 22, and was once told that betting his future on horses was the dumbest thing he'd ever do. He went anyway. Today, Michael Cooper is an NCHA Hall of Famer, with more than six and a half million in lifetime earnings, and he's become one of the most respected cutting horse trainers in the industry.

But this conversation is about far more than the wins. It's about the mindset, the mentors, and the hard-earned principles that built a champion, a businessman, and a family man who never forgot where he came from.

He explains:
*Why your own adrenaline is the real reason you're losing, and how to slow it down when it matters most
*The single piece of advice that turned horse winnings into lasting wealth
*Why getting comfortable is the secret to winning at the highest level
*The brutal honesty with yourself that separates champions from everyone else
*What true success actually looks like once the money stops mattering

This episode is brought to you by Kerry Kelley Bits and Spurs, Kimes Ranch, and Bluebonnet Feeds.

Enjoy the show!

What if the biggest thing holding you back isn't your circumstances—but the story you keep telling yourself?

In a unique role reversal, The Converse Cowboy steps into the guest seat, interviewed my none other that the Louis Vuitton Vaquero himself, to unpack the ideas behind his new book, "Perspective Is a Verb". What starts as a conversation about writing a book quickly becomes a deeper exploration of mindset, resilience, gratitude, manifestation, and the power of intentional thinking.
Mike shares the personal experiences that shaped his philosophy—from navigating divorce and rebuilding his identity to studying psychology, performance, and the habits that create a meaningful life. Along the way, he reveals the daily practices that transformed his perspective, why gratitude is more powerful than most people realize, and how the thoughts you repeat today quietly shape the life you experience tomorrow.

This episode is filled with practical wisdom, thought-provoking stories, lessons learned and earned secrets on overcoming adversity, cultivating awareness, and taking ownership of your future.

If you've ever felt stuck, overwhelmed, or uncertain about your next step, this conversation might change the way you think about the challenges in front of you—and the opportunities hidden inside them.

This episode is brought to you by Kimes Ranch, Kerry Kelley Bits and Spurs, and Bluebonnet Feeds. 

Enjoy the show!

The NCHA Super Stakes delivered unforgettable runs, breakout performances, and plenty of chaos inside the cowbox — I am joined by my good pal, 'The Louis Vuitton Vaquero' aka NCHA Hall of Famer, Jesse Lennox to break it all down.

From Kenny Platt's historic dominance in the 5/6 Open to Michael Cooper's clutch performances under pressure, this episode dives deep into the horses, the strategy, and the personalities shaping the future of cutting. Jesse gives a behind-the-scenes look at what really happens in the cowbox, how elite trainers read cattle, and why the next generation of riders like Cade Shepard, Colt Moore, Cooper Clark, and Ryan Rapp are changing the game.
They also unpack the rise of Metallic Rey Mink offspring, the evolution of modern horse training, and the subtle details—like "watching a cow's nostril" — that separate great horsemen from everyone else.

Along the way, things go completely off the rails with harmonica stories, busking on the Granbury square, Backstreet Boys encounters, celebrity cuttings, and the ongoing rise of the legendary band "Low Expectations." This episode is equal parts cutting horse masterclass and locker room comedy—and one of the most entertaining recaps yet.

Enjoy the show!

This episode is brought to you by Kerry Kelley Bits and Spurs, Kimes Ranch and Bluebonnet Feeds. 

Aaron Watson turned down Nashville at 22 — and spent the next 25 years proving he was right.

In this deeply honest conversation, Aaron opens up about building one of country music's most successful independent careers without compromising his identity, his songwriting, or his family. He shares the real cost of chasing music for a living, surviving two vocal cord surgeries that nearly ended his career, and why becoming a father changed the way he measures success forever.

This episode goes far beyond country music. It's about resilience, reinvention, creative obsession, faith, and learning what actually matters after decades in the spotlight. Aaron talks candidly about grief, losing a daughter, turning down opportunities most artists would kill for, and the dangerous freedom that comes when you stop caring about fame.

We also dive into songwriting, social media, legacy, independent artistry, and the mindset that's fueling what he believes may become the best chapter of his career.

In this episode of The Converse Cowboy, NFL veteran Davon Godchaux breaks down the uncomfortable truth behind success, discipline, and identity — after 10 years in a league where most careers barely last three.   "You've got athletes… and then you've got professional athletes."    From LSU to the NFL, Davon shares the small, unglamorous habits that define longevity — the things no one sees, but everyone feels on game day. But this isn't just about football. It's about what happens when the dream becomes reality… and still isn't enough.   We talk about: • Why the little things are everything (and why most people avoid them) • The danger of tying your identity to what you do • What success really looks like beyond money and fame • How to handle adversity in a world that teaches you to quit   "Money comes and goes… but relationships last forever."    Because when the game ends — for all of us — what's left is who you became along the way.   This episode is brought to you by Kimes Ranch, Bluebonnet Feeds and Kerry Kelley Bits and Spurs.    Enjoy the show!

 

Most people don't accidentally find their calling.
Scott Slusher did.

With no formal training, he borrowed a horse, a truck, and a saddle—and stepped into a world that would eventually define his life's work.

In this episode, we go beyond photography into purpose, identity, and the tension between making money and making a life. Scott shares why chasing fulfillment looks nothing like chasing success—and why uncertainty might be the clearest sign you're on the right path.

If you've ever questioned where you're headed, this conversation will stay with you.

This episode is brought to you by Kimes Ranch, Bluebonnet Feeds and Kerry Kelley Bits and Spurs. 

Evan Felker of 'Turnpike Troubadours' has earned his reputation as one of the most respected songwriters in American music, but this conversation reveals what sits beneath the songs. Rather than focusing on highlights or history, this episode explores how great writing is built—through attention, discipline, and a deep respect for ordinary moments. Evan reflects on why the most lasting songs don't come from chasing significance, but from noticing what others overlook and shaping it with care.

Our discussion moves beyond songwriting into the larger work of living well. We discuss finding balance as a daily practice, intention as something that must be revisited constantly, and reflection as a discipline that keeps both the work and the person aligned. Whether describing his writing process, the value of being present, or why certain experiences quiet the noise of the world, his perspective is measured, thoughtful, and quietly compelling.

This episode isn't about image or mythology. It's about craft, clarity, and choosing a way of working—and living—that holds up over time. For anyone interested in meaningful work done with purpose, this is a conversation you don't want to miss.

Be sure to check out Turnpike Troubadours' latest record, "The Price of Admission": https://open.spotify.com/album/0lMU9le9QkLUKR0VFBwxSq

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Foundations of Greatness – Training Young Horses Roundtable with some of the best in the business. Dive deep into the world of starting cutting horse prospects with three of the industry's most respected horse trainers: Wes Ashlock (Abilene, TX), Richard Jordan (Idaho), Gregg Garvie (Canada).
In this candid roundtable recorded live at the NCHA Futurity, Fort Worth, Texas, these unsung heroes of the cutting horse world pull back the curtain on the often-overlooked art of building foundations for future champions. From day-one colt starting and teaching horses to "reach for an answer," to sourcing yearlings, navigating sales pressure, and the emotional highs and lows of seeing "your" horse succeed under another trainer—these guys hold nothing back.
With humor, humility, and hard-earned wisdom, they discuss:

*wildly different training styles that all produce winners
*spotting "the freak" early (and knowing when greatness is already inside the horse)
*evolving beliefs, favorite failures, and the worst advice they've ignored
*the thrill (and terror) of million-dollar sales
*why the best horses teach the trainer more than the other way around

Whether you're a trainer, breeder, owner, or just love great horses and real talk, this episode reminds us there's no single path to excellence—just relentless pursuit, gratitude, and a deep respect for the animal. Enjoy the show!

Brought to you by Kimes Ranch, Kerry Kelley Bits and Spurs, Bluebonnet Feeds, and Brumbaugh's Furniture and Design.

What happens when a breakout college breakaway roper can't turn pro and has to get a "big girl job"? She accidentally becomes one of the country's leading equine nutritionists.
Dr. Jyme Nichols (Bluebonnet Feeds) pulls back the curtain on her unlikely journey from the Sandhills of Nebraska and Montana State rodeo to earning a PhD and revolutionizing performance horse feeding.
In this myth-busting conversation with The Converse Cowboy, she explains why protein percentage is the LAST thing she looks at on a feed tag, how horses can get type-2 diabetes just like humans, why supplements aren't always the enemy (and when they definitely are), and the real reason 3-year-old futurity horses fall apart under stress.
From leaky gut and the gut-brain axis to why forage testing is "insurance" and how plasma actually works, Dr. Jyme delivers science in plain English for every horse owner tired of fads and old wives' tales. If you've ever wondered what actually moves the needle for your horse's health and performance, this episode is feed-room gold. Enjoy the show! 

This episode is brought to you by Kimes Ranch, Kerry Kelley Bits and Spurs along with Bluebonnet Feeds. 

Professional tie down roper, Shane Hanchey – 16x NFR Qualifier & World Champion. This Louisiana cowboy will be heading back to Las Vegas in December to compete at the National Finals Rodeo for the 16th consecutive time since 2010. 

Join host Mike Roberts as he sits down with tie-down roping legend Shane Hanchey, 2013 world champion, and American Rodeo winner. From ditching his baseball bag at 16 for a once-in-a-lifetime horse named Riata—who carried him from youth rodeos to six NFRs and a gold buckle.

Hanchey breaks down the mental game—"Adversity breaks some men; it makes others break records"—daily routines, live cattle runs), horse selection nuances. Plus, his entrepreneurial side: producing futurities, owning and operating a food truck, and lessons from launching The Cowboy Journal media platform.

Discover why "winners win," the power of short-term memory for losses, and Hanchey's billboard mantra: "Whether you think you can or think you can't, you're right." Raw, inspiring, and packed with actionable wisdom for chasing flow in any pursuit. Hanchey reveals the grit behind his unbreakable streak. Enjoy the show!

This episode is brought to you by, Kimes Ranch, Kerry Kelly Bits & Spurs, Blue Bonnet Feeds.

Acclaimed photographer Beau Simmons at Kimes Ranch in the Fort Worth Stockyards. 

Beau, known for his evocative fine art photography capturing the soul of the American West, shares his journey from fashion photography to documenting the raw, authentic lives of cowboys and cowgirls. Inspired by the mantra "when you're green, you grow; when you're ripe, you rot," Beau discusses his relentless pursuit of growth, both as an artist and a person. From staging nostalgic Americana scenes at historic venues like Gruene Hall to producing a documentary on cutting horse legend Adan Banuelos, Beau reveals the creative process behind his work, emphasizing authenticity over trends. He opens up about his transition from a troubled youth to a purpose-driven artist, the challenges of shooting on film, and the importance of building trust with the ranching community. With stories of roping horses in Palm Springs pools and capturing gritty, soulful portraits, this episode is a deep dive into the heart of Western culture, creativity, and the pursuit of a meaningful life. 

This episode is brought to you by Kimes Ranch and Kerry Kelly Bits and Spurs. Enjoy the show!

NCHA Hall of Famer and co-host Jesse Lennox, aka "The Louis Vuitton Vaquero" is back on the show with cutting horse legend Kenny Platt. With over $4 million in lifetime earnings and an NCHA Futurity win under his belt, Kenny shares the highs and lows of his career, from his mental toughness in the show pen to the life-changing advice that shaped his journey. 

Dive into raw, unfiltered stories of overcoming setbacks, the art of training great horses, and the importance of gratitude in sustaining success. Kenny reflects on his breakthrough moments, the horses that defined his career, and his vision for the future of cutting as a spectator sport. Recorded at Kimes Ranch in Fort Worth during the Summer Spectacular, this episode is packed with wisdom, humor, and heart for horse enthusiasts and anyone chasing their passion.

Sponsored by Kimes Ranch and Kerry Kelly Bits and Spurs.

00:00 The Best Career Advice
03:58 Consistency in Winning
09:58 The Importance of Family and Roots
15:48 Business and Financial Management
20:02 Gratitude in Winning
26:11 Preparing for Competition
29:09 Mindset on Show Day
30:26 Navigating Challenges in Cutting Competitions
33:02 Understanding Cow Selection and Strategy
34:59 The Art of Coaching and Developing Feel
37:09 Learning Through Experience and Practice
39:52 Breakthrough Moments in Training and Showing
46:07 The Journey to Becoming a Professional Trainer
50:14 Finding Confidence in Cutting Competitions
58:06 Reflections on Winning and Expectations
01:03:32 The Importance of Showing and Timing
01:05:05 Advice: The Good and the Bad
01:06:48 Lessons from Failure and Success
01:08:43 First Fraternity Experience and Its Impact
01:14:38 Favorite Failures and Learning from Mistakes
01:16:31 What Separates Great Horses from Good Ones
01:19:05 The Nature of Horses: Personality and Drive
01:20:00 Preparing for The American Performance Horseman
01:25:40 Goals for the Derby and Competitive Mindset
01:27:34 Future of the NCHA and Potential Improvements
01:28:23 Opportunities for Young Trainers
01:29:20 Enhancing Event Prestige
01:30:46 Making Cutting More Spectator-Friendly
01:31:54 The Role of Jay and Industry Improvements
01:33:32 The Future of Cutting Competitions
01:35:16 Rapid Fire Questions and Personal Insights
01:46:09 Gratitude and Perspective on Life

Featuring NCHA Hall of Fame legend Jesse Lennox! Gripping tale of a border crossing gone awry, where a duffel bag stuffed with questionable "Vita bars" and a shaky love story about "Shelby" nearly derail his U.S. return. With sweaty palms and a stern immigration officer breathing down his neck, Jesse's quick thinking and cowboy charm make for a hilarious, edge-of-your-seat story.

Jesse shares his cutting horse expertise, reflecting on high-stakes runs with lightning-fast horses like Boon San Baby and Cinca Im Hot. His hard-earned lesson—"just because you can, doesn't mean you should"—reveals the art of balancing speed, skill, and restraint in the NCHA world. Packed with humor, heart, and wisdom, this episode is a masterclass in overcoming adversity and chasing passion.

Sponsored by Kimes Ranch and Kerry Kelly Bits and Spurs, The Converse Cowboy delivers raw, inspiring stories from top performers. Jesse's journey from border troubles to cutting horse glory will leave you laughing, inspired, and ready to tackle your own challenges. Don't miss this unforgettable episode that's captivated listeners everywhere. Enjoy the show!

Five-time world champion steer wrestler Luke Branquinho! Ever wondered what drives a rodeo legend to risk it all to be their best? Luke reveals the raw nerves and adrenaline rush of competing at the 2025 American Rodeo after a three-year hiatus, proving he's still got it. From his iconic "shake" that lit up arenas to hilarious behind-the-scenes carpool karaoke with rodeo stars, Luke's stories will hook you.

Discover how he battled injuries, balanced family sacrifices, and found purpose after retiring from the arena. His candid take on mental toughness will inspire you to chase your own dreams. Plus, hear about his new ventures, from podcasting to custom boots, and why he's riding the wave of rodeo's booming popularity.

Tune in for unfiltered wisdom, laugh-out-loud moments, and a glimpse into the heart of a cowboy who lives to love what he does. Don't miss this chance to learn from one of rodeo's elite. Enjoy the show!

This episode is brought to you by Kimes Ranch and Kerry Kelley Bits and Spurs. 

00:00 The Journey Begins: A Rodeo Dream
11:01 Finding Your Path: The Pursuit of Passion
21:49 The Pressure of Competition: Mental Strategies for Success
33:05 Life After Rodeo: Transitioning to New Adventures
39:32 The Origin of the Shake
40:35 Rodeo's Growing Popularity
42:39 The Future of Rodeo and Music Collaborations
43:44 The Nashville Rodeo Experience
46:51 Lessons from Early Career Failures
49:29 Advice to My Younger Self
50:10 Understanding Steer Wrestling Techniques
52:54 The Importance of Horsemanship
53:35 Raising the Next Generation of Rodeo Athletes
55:44 Insights from Podcasting
58:39 Rapid Fire Questions and Personal Reflections

President of Priefert Manufacturing; a powerhouse in rodeo and ranching equipment! Eddie spills the beans on transforming a family legacy into a global brand, from crafting iconic blue chutes to dominating the steel industry. With grit, humor, and a fearless approach to failure, Eddie shares wild tales—like building rocket-ship roping chutes that changed the game at the USTRC finals and bucking chutes that stormed the PBR.

Discover how a competitor's taunt sparked a fire, leading to innovations that made Priefert a staple at the NFR. Eddie's philosophy? Embrace opportunities, learn from nine-out-of-ten failures, and always put people first. From his grandfather's $60 headgate to modern AI-driven automation, Eddie's story is a masterclass in tenacity and vision. Tune in for a front-row seat to the heart-pounding world of rodeo innovation, where every chute, gate, and dream is built to last. Enjoy the show!

This episode is brought to you by Kimes Ranch (kimesranch.com) and Kerry Kelley Bits and Spurs (kerrykelleyspurs.com)

Recorded at Kimes Ranch in the Fort Worth Stockyards, this episode features Gerry Gesell, a ranch manager, leather craftsman, polo player, cow horse competitor, podcast host, and actor. Gerry's brand, "Many Irons", born from the mantra "many irons in the fire," connects cowboys, surfers, and firefighters through shared stories and wearable art. 

Gerry discusses transitioning from high-speed polo pony training to cow horse showing, reflecting on humbling lessons from recent competitions. He delves into his creative process behind "Laundromat Texas", a short film premiering July 27, 2025, at Dallas's Texas Theater, capturing Far West Texas's misfit spirit. From racing a train on a three-year-old colt for a Tecovas commercial to crafting artistic chaps for Teskey's, Gerry's passion for creation shines. He shares the vulnerability of writing on Instagram, the authenticity of his podcast "There's Always Something to Chase", and the horseman's paradox—asking horses to risk all while keeping us safe. With humor, heart, and rapid-fire revelations—like his love for Rancho Deluxe, fear of heights, and a gum-in-hair middle-school kiss fail—this episode celebrates chasing dreams and embracing failure. Enjoy the show!

This episode is brought to you by Kimes Ranch and Kerry Kelley Bits and Spurs. 

Erin Taormino, the first woman to win the 2025 World's Greatest Horseman title. Erin shares her journey from a Canadian grain farm to breaking barriers in the cow horse world, overcoming self-doubt and a late start in the sport. She reflects on training her horse, Hazardous Material, for four events despite not being a roper, and the humbling moment of her historic win. Erin's resilience shines through stories of competing weeks after a broken leg and surviving a cow horn injury, all while balancing motherhood and a demanding career. Mentors like Jackie Crawford and Todd Bergen helped her hone her skills and business acumen. 

NCHA Hall of Famer and co-host of this episode, Jesse Lennox, brings professional horse trainer insights, discussing their collaborative dynamic and the evolving performance horse industry. Together, they explore trusting one's process, the importance of horsepower, and increasing female participation in the NRCHA and NCHA. This episode is a compelling blend of grit, growth, and industry knowledge, offering listeners lessons in perseverance and passion. Tune in to hear how Erin turned challenges into triumphs and why Jesse believes she's the coach to lead him to the World's Greatest Horseman finals. Enjoy the show!

This episode is brought to you by Kimes Ranch, kimesranch.com and Kerry Kelley Bits and Spurs, kerrykelleyspurs.com

Drew Knowles, a modern-day steward of the historic XIT Ranch, a 3-million-acre legacy tied to the construction of Texas' State Capitol. Drew shares the ranch's storied past, from its 1885 founding to its revival under his and his wife Abby's leadership. With a philosophy degree shaping his critical thinking, Drew discusses the art of ranching, the importance of mare bands in breeding programs, and the profound responsibility of land and animal stewardship. From acquiring top-tier stud Kit Kat Sugar to navigating the challenges of ranching, Drew's journey reflects a blend of tradition, innovation, and heart. 

Expect engaging conversations that blend history, personal growth, and Western heritage, all underscored by The Converse Cowboy's mission to uncover the flow of pursuing what you love. Enjoy the show!

This episode is brought to you by Kimes Ranch, (kimesranch.com) and Kerry Kelly Bits and Spurs, (kerrykelleyspurs.com). 

Former bull rider turned sports agent and Vexil brand founder. In this episode, Shawn recounts his 15-year bull riding career, from head-stomping injuries to securing Monster Energy's sponsorship for professional bull riding through his agency, XD Sports. With humor and honesty, he shares the hustle of navigating corporate deals, the emotional weight of a transformative divorce, and the creation of Vexil, a brand inspired by a Roman soldier's banner and Joshua 1:9's call to courage. Shawn's tales of outsmarting rodeo sponsorship rules and building a purpose-driven brand resonate beyond the arena.

Perfect for fans of rodeo, entrepreneurs, and tales of perseverance. This episode of The Converse Cowboy Podcast offers a front-row seat to the cowboy spirit and delivers unfiltered stories of resilience. Enjoy the show!

This episode is brought to you by Kimes Ranch, kimesranch.com and Kerry Kelley Bits and Spurs, kerrykelleyspurs.com

On this episode of The Converse Cowboy, dive into the world of Nashville singer - songwriter Joshua Quimby, whose third album, 'Something Like Country', drops June 6th. From folky roots to bold, genre-blending sounds, Joshua shares his creative awakening, battles with vices, and growth through grit. With raw tales of tour life and staying true to himself, this conversation inspires resilience and authenticity. Listen now, wear Stay Grateful, and subscribe for more! conversecowboy.com 

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$3 Million NCHA money earner, Monty Buntin, shares his rise from a tough Arizona childhood to the NCHA Hall of Fame. Monty shares hard-earned lessons on staying composed under pressure, executing with purpose, and rooting ambition in gratitude. From mastering the show pen to mentoring others, his story proves: hold triumph in your mind, and you'll hold it in your hands. Enjoy the show!

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Rodeo Roads: Capturing the Cowboy Spirit
This episode uncovers the creative and conscious journey of professional filmmaker, Meng Lee. In this raw and heartfelt series, Meng—a Western storyteller shaped by rodeo, personal growth, and serendipitous connections—shares his path from pizza maker to capturing cowboy culture. Meng's infectious positivity and gratitude shine through. Expect deep dives into personal growth, mentors, his love for teaching, and quirky passions like training Birmingham Roller pigeons. AI's impact on videography, and living in the moment, this podcast blends Western grit with mindful awareness—offering listeners a front-row seat to a life lived authentically. Enjoy the show!

00:00 Introduction and Connection
02:54 Creative Collaboration and Energy
06:05 The Importance of Rituals in Creativity
09:06 Mentorship and Personal Development
12:00 The Journey into Rodeo Filmmaking
15:11 The Influence of Personal Development Literature
18:10 Awareness and Inner Work
20:57 The Challenge of Maintaining Positivity
24:04 Bringing Out the Best in Others
31:00 The Power of Competition vs. Creation
35:16 Desire and the Journey of Self-Discovery
39:12 The Evolution of MakeLine Productions
43:28 AI's Impact on Videography and Creativity
48:39 Advice for Aspiring Videographers
54:15 The Connection Between Rodeo and Community
01:00:27 The Fascinating World of Pigeon Training
01:03:20 Life as a Pigeon Trainer
01:09:39 Rapid Fire Round: Insights and Reflections
01:12:45 Messages and Life Lessons
01:15:27 Future Aspirations and Creative Projects

This episode is brought to you by Kimes Ranch, kimesranch.com

Tune in to this episode, featuring Matt and Amanda Kimes, the heart behind Kimes Ranch. Recorded at the 2024 Kimes Ranch Million-Dollar Breakaway in Scottsdale, this interview unveils the couple's journey from 2009 dreamers to Western industry trailblazers. With raw honesty, they share how focus, grit, and a belief in "someday" turned a ten-month vision into a game-changing event. From Kash Gay's underdog triumph to an internet crisis averted, their story is a rollercoaster of resilience and heart. Touching on manifestation, the cowboy ethos, and legends like Jackie Crawford, this episode is a powerful tribute to hard work and community. It's a must-listen for rodeo fans and dream-chasers alike. Enjoy the show!

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00:00 Introduction to Kimes Ranch and Their Journey
02:42 Maintaining Focus and Patience in Business
05:32 The Power of Manifestation and Delayed Gratification
08:09 Building a Successful Event: The Million-Dollar Breakaway
10:52 The Importance of Community and Recognition in Competition
13:43 Behind the Scenes: Challenges and Solutions
16:12 Creating a Positive Company Culture
21:23 The Rise of Zach Top
23:53 Event Planning Challenges and Solutions
26:39 Empowering Women in Rodeo
29:39 Embracing the Cowboy Lifestyle
32:48 Growth and Change in the Business
36:25 The Importance of Team Dynamics and Training
38:19 Spotlight on Breakaway Roping Talent

In this episode, 8-time World Champ Speed Williams and his daughter Hali, a breakaway roping phenom, unpack their journey to the Kimes Ranch Million Dollar Breakaway in Scottsdale, Arizona. Speed's revolutionary roping legacy meets Hali's fearlessness, blending fundamentals, gratitude, and raw grit. From backyard practice to big money, this father-daughter duo shares mindset secrets that win. After 10 rounds at the first ever Kimes Ranch Million Dollar Breakaway Event, Hali Williams walked away with $115,000 in winnings. Enjoy the show!

00:00 Introduction to Breakaway Roping and Competitors
03:00 Transitioning from Team Roping to Breakaway Roping
05:59 Secrets to Speed and Consistency in Roping
09:07 Revolutionizing Team Roping Techniques
11:57 The Role of Visualization and Mental Preparation
15:07 Father-Daughter Dynamics in Roping
17:54 Preparing for Competition: Rituals and Strategies
21:12 Conclusion and Future of Breakaway Roping

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In this episode of The Converse Cowboy, Chad Bushaw takes us on a journey from his humble beginnings in rural Oregon to becoming a top wealth manager and a dominant force in the cutting horse world. He shares how a childhood field trip to Oxbow Ranch sparked his passion for horses and set him on a path that intertwined business and the equine industry.

Chad opens up about the mindset of the ultra-wealthy, the importance of surrounding yourself with the right people, and how he leveraged his love for cutting horses to build valuable relationships in the financial world. He also dives into the challenges of wealth management, lessons learned from market crashes, and the reality of running Crown Ranch as a business.

Whether you're an aspiring horseman, entrepreneur, or someone looking to gain insight into financial success, this conversation is packed with wisdom, real-life experiences, and entertaining stories.

🎧 Tune in to hear Chad's incredible story and the lessons he's learned along the way! Enjoy the show!

This episode is brought to you by:
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Kerry Kelley Bits and Spurs - https://kerrykelleyspurs.com

In this episode of The Converse Cowboy, I sit down with country artist Ned LeDoux for an in-depth conversation about his career, the profound influence of his father, the legendary Chris LeDoux, and how that legacy continues to shape his life and music. Ned shares stories of growing up in a rodeo and music-filled world, the lessons he's carried forward, and the creative process behind his newest album, "Safe Haven". Tune in to this epsiode for a candid and insightful discussion about music, family, and the journey of a true cowboy artist. Enjoy the show!

This episode is brought to you by Kimes Ranch, https://kimesranch.com and Kerry Kelley Bits and Spurs, https://kerrykelleyspurs.com

Gratitude is the best fallback plan!! 

This exclusive bonus episode (subscribe to listen)—just over five minutes long—is packed full of in the moment insights designed to shift your perspective, spark inspiration, and infuse your day with Gratitude. Whether you need a mindset reset or just a moment to reflect, this short but powerful episode will leave you feeling uplifted and more present. Enjoy the show!!

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In this episode, I sit down with Dr. Tyler Troop of Performance Equine Associates for a down-to-earth conversation about life as a performance horse veterinarian. Dr. Troop shares his journey—from tackling the challenges of vet school to working with some of the top equine athletes in the industry.

We dive into the realities of equine sports medicine, the latest advancements in keeping horses performing at their peak, and the dedication it takes to care for these incredible athletes. Dr. Troop's passion for his work is clear, and his practical, no-nonsense approach makes this a must-listen for anyone in the horse world.

Whether you're in the industry or just love a good horse story, this episode is packed with insight, and real-world experience.

Chapters:
00:00 Introduction
01:55 Passion for Guitars and Collecting
03:45 Transitioning to Veterinary Medicine
09:41 The Challenges of Vet School
19:05 Overcoming Struggles and Finding Purpose
28:39 Becoming a Veterinarian and Clinic Ownership
30:20 Choosing the Path of Equine Veterinary Medicine
39:05 The Challenges of Diagnosing Non-Verbal Patients
44:35 The High Stakes of Veterinary Medicine
51:00 The Emotional Rewards of Equine Care
57:48 Lessons Learned and Misconceptions in Veterinary Practice
01:02:20 Navigating Bad Advice and Personal Relationships
01:04:14 Evolution of Equine Care: Past vs Present
01:09:22 The Role of Technology in Equine Medicine
01:11:31 Therapies and Supplements: What Works?
01:13:52 The Comparison Game: A Personal Journey
01:15:45 Advice for Aspiring Veterinarians
01:19:28 Finding Your Why in Veterinary Medicine

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and Kerry Kelley Bits and Spurs: https://kerrykelleyspurs.com

Tim O'Keefe is a professional photographer with many interests, including guitar, performance horses, motorcycles, owner and founder of the magazine, 'The Few'.  
   
IG: @tim.okeefe

This episode is brought to you by Kimes Ranch, (kimesranch.com) and Kerry Kelley Bits & Spurs, (kerrykelleyspurs.com)

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Jesse Lennox is a Hall of Fame cutting horse trainer with over $3 Million in Lifetime earnings. He's also one of the most positive horse trainers in the game today with a passion for winning. Enjoy the show!

IG: @jl.performancehorses

This episode is sponsored by:

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Truly a pleasure to have singer songwriter, Kenny Feidler on the show. 

Kenny Feidler's sound is dark, gritty, western rock n roll filled with thoughtful, honest songwriting. Feidler's path to the stage started on the rodeo circuit, writing songs about the life and selling his music from the trunk of an old Cadillac. Now he racks up the miles with his band, traveling from his home on the plains of Western South Dakota, to fill up bars and dance halls across America's Heartland. 

In 2024 Feidler has already shared the stage with Colter Wall, Josh Meloy, and Reckless Kelly. With multiple singles due to release this year and over 150 million streams in his career, it's hard not to view this as a breakout moment for Feidler. However, Feidler is just grateful to make a living making music . 

Be sure to check out his latest single, "Choking on the Wire". @kennyfeidler

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What does colt starting have to do with the conscious and unconscious..? Tune in to find out. 

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First ever, "Converse Cowboy Interlude". A brief bio about The Converse Cowboy, and where my mind is today. This short 12 minute episode was uncomfortable for me and at the same time fun to record. 

Let me know your thoughts and/or questions for the next episode.
IG: @theconversecowboy or feel free to email me at mike@conversecowboy.com

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Truly a pleasure to have 10x NFR Team Roper, Charly Crawford join me on this episode. I walked out of the studio after this interview feeling inspired and motivated. 

We discuss Charly's career as a team roper in the arena and his life outside of the arena. The mindset of an elite rodeo athlete to have sustainable success requires discipline and consistency. Charly shares his lessons learned and earned secrets that can only be attained through dedication and a focused intent. 

Be sure to check out his most recent endeavor, Liberty & Loyalty Foundation (formerly American Military Celebration) is a non-profit 501c3 organization. Liberty & Loyalty Foundation produces Western lifestyle events for veterans, retired and active service personnel, and first responders. Events promote leadership and teamwork while encouraging camaraderie, forming support systems and making memories. Through these events, opportunities for fund raising are utilized for charities that support the needs of our heroes. (libertyandloyaltyfoundation.com)

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Truly a pleasure to visit with Texas singer-songwriter, Mike Harmeier. We discuss the band's recent decision to make a name change from "Mike and the Moonpies" to "Silverada". Mike shares his songwriting process in detail. One of the main takeaways from this interview is to unapologetically be you, something Mike Harmeier is known for throughout the industry. Be sure to check out the bonus content (for Subscribers only) at the end.
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"Dream beyond your means". 

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Texas singer-songwriter, Hayes Carll joins me at the Kimes Ranch Studio in the Ft Worth Stockyards for this episode. We discuss his humble beginnings, his writing process and influences that had an impact on his style of writing along the way. Hayes shares stories about co-writing a song with the legendary, Guy Clark and lessons he learned from that experience. 

Whether you're already a Hayes Carll fan or just a fan of great singer-songwriters, you'll want to hear insights from one of the best in the business today.

I'm Grateful for this pure and meaningful conversation with Hayes Carll and excited for you all to hear it.

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"Dale Brisby", a pioneer in the western industry, leading the way in the field of content creation. Also the self proclaimed, greatest bull rider of all time. Dale pulls the curtain back during this interview and shares insights into how the "Dale Brisby/Rodeo Time" brand was built over the past eleven years. 

Dale Brisby is the real deal and undoubtedly one of the most humble humans I have ever met, contrary to what you might see on his social media content. He has built a platform that the entire family can enjoy; shining a positive light on the cowboy way of life. His apparel brand "Rodeo Time", is a name that is well known throughout the industry. Go to any western event, whether it be performance horses or rodeo and you'll see kids and adults alike wearing Rodeo Time/Dale Brisby gear. We discuss all this and more throughout this interview.

"Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted". (Matthew 23:12)

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Warning! This episode contains extremely foul language!

The 1st Amendment protects the freedom of speech here in the United States of America and Clinton Anderson fully exercises that right throughout this episode.

Clinton simply says out loud what most people are thinking and although he wraps those verbal thoughts in a blanket of curse words, there is a sense of authenticity that comes with them that you can't help but respect. 

He pulls the curtain back on the Downunder Horsemanship Empire. Three and a half hours of unfiltered and raw conversation. We talk business, horses, marketing, successes, failures and lessons he's learned along the way. 

Behind the profanity and foul language is a man that has mastered his craft as a clinician and horseman. Clinton Anderson has kept tens of thousands of people safe as they followed his method pursuing a journey with their horse and a better understanding of basic horsemanship.

Warning: last chance, if you click play then you're giving consent to have your hearing violated and your mind altered. I'm sorry and you're welcome...
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PS: be sure to stick around til the end to hear about one of Clinton's most embarrassing moments in the arena. 

Jim Kiser is the mastermind behind the legendary Kiser arena drags that you'll see today at most every big performance horse event.

Tune in to this episode to hear how an idea for a piece of equipment to groom the footing for horse events in the late 80' turned into a business that has revolutionized the performance horse industry that we know today. 

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Melanie Smith is the owner and founder of Solo Select Horses, the full-service operation at the forefront of the performance horse industry with a focus on disciplines ranging from cutting to roping to racing.

More than 15 years ago, Melanie started on a path that would eventually lead her to incredible success in the performance horse industry. Over the years, she has sold thousands of horses all over the world, creating great connections with buyers and sellers alike. The slogan for Solo Select Horses is "The VERY Best", and Melanie stands firmly behind those words. She is well known for her honesty, integrity, passion and quality stock in the world of Western performance horses.

Tune in to this episode to find out how she has continued to innovate in a world that is rooted in tradition and at the same time maintained respect for the western way of life. 

"It's either going to work or it isn't". #keepbuilding (Melanie Smith)

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Austin Shepard, NCHA Hall of Fame Rider, two time NCHA Futurity winner, and NCHA Open World Champion with over $10 Million in LTE. Austin has trained some of the most elite cutting horses in the industry today, including: Highbrow CD, Bet Hesa Cat, Bamacat, Bama Jelly, Dual Reyish, Wood She B Magic, Kittenish, Kinky Bootz, Fancy Deville, Countess Catrina and dozens more.  

Topics we discuss:
•Buster Welch
•The evolution of the performance horse
•Pregame rituals and mindfulness practice
•Show shirts
•The American Performance Horseman
•Lessons learned the hard way
•Top horses in the industry today

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Mark Michels, owner and founder of 'Performance Horse Central' visits me on the show at the Teton Ridge booth during the '2023 Metallic Cat NCHA Futurity'.  'Performance Horse Central' has revolutionized how spectators and competitors stay in tune with the performance horse industry today.  

Mark is the mastermind behind PHC and the primary reason that it has become a staple for the performance horse industry.  
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Cade Shepard sets the tone for the 2023 NCHA Futurity, marking a 225 in the 1st go.  He visits the show at the Teton Ridge booth to discuss his run.  We talk about what makes this horse special and his strategy for events like the Futurity.  Enjoy the show!

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Luca Fappani, professional Reining Horse Trainer, $625K LTE, has a bright future ahead of him.  With some of the best to ever play the game in his corner, we discuss the role that his father and NRHA legend, Andrea Fappani, ($8 Million LTE) has played in shaping his mindset in the show pen.  We discuss what shows like 'The Run For A Million' and Teton Ridge's 'American Performance Horse' are doing for the performance horse industry.  Enjoy the show!!

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Glad to have Matt MIlls visit the show in Las Vegas at 'The Run For A Million'.  Born and raised in Southern California, Matt began riding horses at an early age. He enjoyed a successful career as a youth rider, earning multiple championships throughout California in a variety of disciplines including western pleasure, horsemanship and trail. In 1996 he switched his focus to reining and a few years later established his own training operation in Scottsdale, Arizona. Recently he made the move to Weatherford, Texas. 

Matt is consistently ranked on the NRHA Top Twenty Professionals Riders list and has NRHA lifetime earnings of over $1,000,000.00. He is regularly a finalist at major NRHA events and has received several titles including NRHA Intermediate Open Futurity Reserve Champion as well as multiple titles at the National Reining Breeders Classic (NRBC). He has also earned several large futurity and derby titles including RMRHA Summer Slide, High Roller Reining Classic, SWRHA Futurity and NRHA Cowtown Classic. In addition to his youth, skill and natural riding ability, he is well known for his professionalism, showmanship, and charismatic personality. Consequently, he is in high demand for clinics in the United States, Europe and Mexico.  Enjoy the show!!

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Truly a pleasure to visit with Chelsea Edsall (@cheersitschelsea), this episode is entertaining and informative.  Tune into this episode to hear more about the performance horse world from a trainer's wife perspective.  We cover a number of topics throughout this interview, ie. Texas living, IG Lives, Cowhorse mental health, The Run For A Million and much more.  Enjoy the show!   Subscriber Benefits, (Subscribe only on Apple Podcast).                                                             • Early Access To All Shows  • Ad-Free Listening • Exclusive Content  • A minimum of 10% of subscription profits will be donated to charity • (New episodes released weekly) As always thank you for your support!   Stay Grateful!!   The Converse Cowboy

 

Al Dunning has owned and operated the Almosta Ranch in Scottsdale, Arizona since 1970. Over the years, Al has developed his multi-faceted equine business with a focus on the development of champion horses and riders. With over 45 World and Reserve World Titles, Al and his students have dominated in AQHA, NCHA, NRCHA, and NRHA events. His love of teaching has taken Al all over the world, conducting clinics and sharing his techniques and philosophies of horsemanship.  Enjoy the show!   Subscriber Benefits, (Subscribe only on Apple Podcast).                                                             • Early Access To All Shows  • Ad-Free Listening • Exclusive Content  • A minimum of 10% of subscription profits will be donated to charity • (New episodes released weekly)   As always thank you for your support, enjoy the show!   The Converse Cowboy

NRCHA Million Dollar Rider, and 2016 Worlds Greatest Horseman Champion, Clayton Edsall joins me on the show in Las Vegas during 'The Run For A Million'.  Enjoy the show!!

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