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The Chief Psychology Officer

Dr Amanda Potter CPsychol

Business

Frequency: 1 episode/17d. Total Eps: 99

Exploring the topics of workplace psychology and conscious leadership. Amanda is an award-winning Chartered Psychologist, with vast amounts of experience in talent strategy, resilience, facilitation, development and executive coaching. A Fellow of the Association for Business Psychology and an Associate Fellow of the Division of Occupational Psychology within the British Psychological Society (BPS), Amanda is also a Chartered Scientist. Amanda is a founder CEO of Zircon and is an expert in leadership in crisis, resilience and has led a number of research papers on the subject; most recently Psychological Safety in 2022 and Resilience and Decision-making in 2020. With over 20 years’ experience on aligning businesses’ talent strategy with their organizational strategy and objectives, Amanda has had a significant impact on the talent and HR strategies of many global organizations, and on the lives of many significant and prominent leaders in industry. Dr Amanda Potter can be contacted on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/amandapotterzircon www.theCPO.co.uk

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Ep86 From Tragedy to Resilience: How Forgiveness Shaped Martyn's Law

Season 4 · Episode 86

Monday, November 24, 2025 • Duration 29:41

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Resilience emerges from the most unthinkable circumstances in this powerful conversation with Figen Murray OBE, whose son Martyn was killed in the 2017 Manchester Arena bombing. What follows is an extraordinary story of transformation through grief, forgiveness, and purpose-driven advocacy.

Figen shares the raw reality of how her life changed in "the split second it took for a suicide bomber to detonate a bomb" - not just losing her son, but also her identity as a psychotherapist. With disarming honesty, she describes her initial "zombie-like state" and the profound shift in her worldview that made it impossible to continue her therapeutic practice.

The conversation takes a remarkable turn when Figen reveals her decision to publicly forgive the bomber just weeks after the attack. Despite facing intense criticism and online trolling, this act of forgiveness "cleansed my heart and soul" and aligned with her core values. Her powerful insight that "a sour mind creates a sour body" illuminates the physical and emotional toll of carrying hatred.

What truly distinguishes Figen's journey is how personal tragedy transformed into a legislative mission. After discovering alarming security gaps at venues 18 months post-attack, she launched a six-and-a-half-year campaign that culminated in Martin's Law - now requiring mandatory security measures at venues hosting 200+ people across the UK. Through governmental changes, pandemic disruptions, and political opposition, Figen found that "every knockback made me even more resilient, more determined and stronger."

Perhaps most moving is Figen's work with young people, having spoken to over 32,000 students about online dangers and the importance of values like kindness and compassion. When asked what motivates her tireless advocacy, her answer is heartbreakingly simple: "Having my son's ashes on a bookshelf at home is a really good motivator."

This conversation offers profound insights into human resilience, the healing power of purpose, and how even the darkest tragedy can catalyze positive change when approached with courage and compassion. Join us for this deeply moving exploration of how one woman's grief became a gift of safety for millions.

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Ep85 Presenteeism: Why Working When You Shouldn't Is Hurting Your Brain

Season 4 · Episode 85

Monday, November 3, 2025 • Duration 29:27

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Ever pushed yourself to work through illness or stayed late just to be present at work and be seen? Your brain might be paying a devastating price.

Presenteeism, means showing up physically but functioning below capacity due to illness, injury, or simply staying longer than necessary. This costs UK businesses a staggering £100 billion annually. Yet unlike absenteeism, it remains largely unmeasured and unaddressed in most organisations.

The neuroscience reveals why this matters so deeply. When we work while unwell, our brains operate in conflict, diverting precious cognitive resources to manage pain or stress before productive work even begins. The anterior cingulate cortex, which processes both physical and social pain, lights up when we fear letting colleagues down—driving us to show up when we shouldn't. Meanwhile, receiving praise for "pushing through" triggers dopamine rewards that reinforce this harmful pattern.

Most alarmingly, chronic presenteeism physically changes your brain. The hippocampus can actually shrink under prolonged stress, affecting memory and learning capacity. Neural connectivity in the prefrontal cortex weakens, reducing judgment, concentration, and emotional regulation. What many attribute to "just getting older" might actually be the cumulative effect of insufficient recovery.

The good news? Our brains possess remarkable neuroplasticity. By prioritising psychological safety, resilience training, and supportive policies, organisations can combat presenteeism while enhancing performance. Leaders play a crucial role by modelling healthy boundaries and creating cultures where wellbeing and productivity coexist rather than compete.

Ready to transform how you think about rest and recovery? Connect with us on LinkedIn or visit thecpo.co.uk to continue this vital conversation about creating workplaces where people truly thrive.

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Ep76 Strengths versus Personality with Dr Stewart Desson

Season 4 · Episode 76

Tuesday, May 6, 2025 • Duration 44:23

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Dr. Amanda Potter and guest Dr. Stewart Desson, CEO of Lumina Learning, explore the complex relationship between personality testing, neurodiversity, ethical assessment practices, and strengths-based approaches in the workplace.

• The Big Five personality model (Openness, Conscientiousness, Extraversion, Agreeableness, Neuroticism) remains the most empirically validated framework for understanding personality
• Both experts challenge traditional views of personality as static, suggesting a more dynamic understanding that incorporates conscious choice
• Evaluative bias in psychometrics can lead to one end of personality spectrums being seen as "good" while the other end is viewed negatively
• Profile matching in recruitment creates dangerous homogeneity in organizations, reducing diversity of thought and stifling innovation
• The "shadow" concept from Jungian psychology represents disowned aspects of ourselves that we project onto others
• Personality labeling (like being called "the creative type") can limit career opportunities and development
• Ethical psychometric practice must acknowledge human complexity and avoid oversimplified categorization
• The best assessments expand possibilities rather than constraining them, recognizing we can demonstrate seemingly opposite traits depending on context

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Ep75 Selective Listening: How Our Biases Distract Us

Season 4 · Episode 75

Monday, April 14, 2025 • Duration 31:02

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Have you ever been accused of "selective hearing" or caught zoning out during an important conversation? You’re not alone. Our brains constantly filter information, deciding what deserves attention, often without us realizing it.

This episode unpacks selective listening; choosing what we focus on—versus selective hearing (unconscious filtering) and selective attention (our ability to stay focused despite distractions). These patterns shape workplace dynamics, often amplifying senior voices while drowning out fresh perspectives, and sometimes stifling innovation.

Neuroscience reveals our prefrontal cortex prioritizes conversations based on goals, while the default mode network pulls us into mental drifting. Gender and neurodiversity can influence how we process environmental stimulation, explaining why some struggle more with distractions.

With useful tips to help you master selective listening, this episode could help you gain awareness of the biases that are often barriers to truly inclusive communication.

What valuable insights might you be missing? Tune into the people around you and improve your relationships at home and work.

Listen now to discover how becoming aware of your selective listening patterns could transform your communication effectiveness and help create environments where everyone feels heard. What conversations might you be missing that could change everything?

Episodes are available here https://www.thecpo.co.uk/

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To access the research white papers mentioned in this and other podcasts, please go to: https://www.betalent.com/research For more information about the BeTalent suite of tools and platform please contact: Hello@BeTalent.com

Ep74 Unlocking Gen Z: Navigating Early Talent Expectations

Season 4 · Episode 74

Monday, March 24, 2025 • Duration 30:30

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The battle to attract and retain high-quality early talent has never been more challenging. With 95% of organizations acknowledging that early career candidates quickly move on when expectations aren't met, understanding what truly drives these professionals has become crucial for business success.

Dr. Amanda Potter, the Chief Psychology Officer sits down with Angela Malik to discuss groundbreaking research that challenges common assumptions about what early career talent wants from employers. Their conversation reveals surprising disconnects between organizational perceptions and reality—like the fact that while companies believe early talent demands remote work, 74% are actually willing to consider office-based roles when properly engaged.

The discussion dives deep into neuroscience, exploring how the still-developing prefrontal cortex of young professionals impacts their decision-making. This physiological reality helps explain why some accept job offers only to withdraw when better opportunities arise—it's not about negotiating tactics but about impulsivity and emotional responses to uncertainty.

Perhaps most compelling is the research on what truly matters to early talent: purpose alignment, authentic sustainability commitments, and meaningful development opportunities. With 88% researching an organization's diversity initiatives before applying, this generation votes with their applications, gravitating toward companies that demonstrate genuine social responsibility.

The conversation also tackles the critical gap in line management training, with data showing 82% of new managers receive zero formal training despite being the primary connection between early talent and the organization. This deficiency directly impacts retention, as the research confirms: "You don't quit a job, you quit a boss."

Whether you're struggling with early talent recruitment, facing retention challenges, or simply wanting to better understand the expectations of the next generation of professionals, this episode provides evidence-based strategies that go beyond assumptions and address what young talent actually wants. Listen for practical recommendations that can transform your approach to early career talent management.

Ep73 Setting High-Performing Teams in Motion with Network Rail

Season 4 · Episode 73

Monday, March 3, 2025 • Duration 42:24

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In this episode, Rev. Mike Wright from Network Rail joins award-winning Business Psychologist Amanda Potter and co-host Caitlin Cooper to explore what makes high-performing teams thrive. We dive into Project Speed, a post-pandemic initiative that boosted efficiency and reduced costs, saving £1.5 billion! We also examine how cognitive diversity enhances problem-solving when the need to balance essential yet competing priorities is crucial to success.

Additionally, we highlight the vital role of psychological safety—creating an environment where people feel safe to speak up leads to greater innovation and stronger results.

Discover how our work together helps to drive continuous engagement and open dialogue at Network Rail as we continue to define the factors that inhibit and enable high performance.

Join us as we unpack these key themes and the power of teamwork in driving organisational success. Listen, reflect, and subscribe!

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Ep72 Managing Change Fatigue: Strategies for Adaptability and Resilience

Season 4 · Episode 72

Monday, February 10, 2025 • Duration 43:53

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What if your brain's craving for predictability is the real reason behind your stress? In our latest episode, we explore the complex emotions tied to change fatigue in our fast-paced world driven by relentless technological advancements. With AI reshaping the landscape and social media perpetually altering trends, the pressure to adapt can seem insurmountable. We unravel the psychological and physiological impacts of this constant flux, touching on how our intrinsic desire for stability clashes with the modern necessity for change, leading to a pervasive sense of exhaustion.

Join us as we navigate the nuances of change fatigue within organizations and the personal sphere, with insights rooted in Brené Brown's research on resilience and psychological safety. Through a compelling case study, we highlight how effective communication can transform resistance into acceptance, creating environments that foster adaptability and decision-making. We also delve into the neuroscience behind stress, revealing the taxing effects of continuous demands on the prefrontal cortex and the stress-induced grip of the amygdala.

But it’s not all doom and gloom—our discussion offers practical strategies for coping, inspired by tales of personal resilience and Robert Sapolsky's insights into stress. Hear how mindfulness and self-care can counteract the wear of change fatigue, bringing balance and compassion into our lives. Special thanks to our interns Izzy Jones, Emiolaey, and Gracie Weston, whose valuable research contributions enriched this episode. We hope you find the insights as enlightening as we did, and look forward to your thoughts on managing change in today's ever-evolving landscape.

Episodes are available here https://www.thecpo.co.uk/

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Ep71 Unlocking Talent Potential Through Strategic Data

Season 4 · Episode 71

Monday, January 27, 2025 • Duration 45:47

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Dr. Amanda Potter, Chartered Psychologist and CEO of Zircon BeTalent, and Jig Ramji, an experienced Chief Talent Officer, join us for a compelling discussion on the transformative power of big data in talent management. Listen as we unpack the parallels between sports analytics and organizational performance, revealing why data integration is as crucial to talent strategy as it is to financial success. Jig challenges the conventional belief that more data is inherently better, illustrating the importance of data variety and context in unlocking meaningful insights.

Discover the complexities of implementing talent and leadership models within organizations as we examine the pitfalls of relying too heavily on standardized approaches. We emphasize the necessity of cognitive and cultural diversity and the importance of gathering diverse data points throughout the employee lifecycle. This approach ensures a clear understanding of organizational capabilities while maintaining agility to align with strategic goals. Our discussion underscores the value of a balanced framework, offering guidance and clarity for all stakeholders.

Explore the evolving tech industry landscape and the challenges of overcoming personal biases in interpreting financial and people data. We highlight the need for thoughtful talent models and objective assessments to mitigate bias and enhance workforce engagement. As Amanda and Jig delve into the concept of unconscious bias, they advocate for individual accountability in recognizing and managing biases. The conversation concludes with a focus on the importance of data discipline, emphasizing the transformative potential of rigorous data analysis while cautioning against over-reliance on psychometrics. Join us for a journey through the strategies that can drive significant change and performance improvements in organizations.

The conversation highlights the significance of cohesive data frameworks while addressing the challenges of bias and complacency in decision-making.

• Emphasising the need for robust data use in talent strategies
• Defining big data and its implications for organisations
• Balancing internal and external data perspectives• Addressing the risk of over-relying on off-the-shelf talent models• The importance of data discipline in collecting actionable insights• Challenging complacency amidst continuous organisational growth• Discussing biases in the interpretation of psychometric data• Advocating for curiosity and humility in leadership practices• Urging talent professionals to act as catalysts for change

Ep70 From Habit to Happiness: The One Change Approach

Season 4 · Episode 70

Monday, January 6, 2025 • Duration 37:53

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What if one small change could transform not only your life but also contribute positively to the world? Join us as Lou Kiwanuka shares her inspiring journey of embracing sustainable change, one step at a time. Starting with a personal commitment to make one change per month since January 2020, Lou's approach has led to profound personal growth and a shift from simply reducing negative impacts to actively pursuing positive contributions. Through her experiences, Lou illustrates how these incremental adjustments can create a ripple effect, ultimately fostering a more connected and meaningful existence.

Explore the power of the One Change strategy as it transcends personal boundaries and ignites innovation within the professional realm. Originating from a need to transform the events industry, this strategy encourages both individuals and organizations to adopt a single change each month, promoting values like accessibility, kindness, and mindful living.

With insights from Angela Malik and Dr. Amanda Potter, we delve into the psychological aspects that make small, sustainable habits effective, and how they can shift focus from material wants to meaningful connections and experiences.

From the art of embracing simplicity to the science of habit formation, this episode is packed with practical tools and strategies. Learn about the "99 things" list and the "wheel of privilege" as methods to prioritize goals and broaden the concept of sustainability to include societal elements. As we gear up for 2025 with renewed energy and commitment to change, we invite you to consider how these transformative ideas can enhance your own life and the world around you. Engage with us and share your experiences as we collectively embark on this journey of resilience and positive impact.

Episodes are available here https://www.thecpo.co.uk/

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Ep69 Creating Inclusive Workplaces in Santander: The Power of Psychological Safety

Season 3 · Episode 69

Monday, December 16, 2024 • Duration 32:17

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Unlock the secrets to creating a truly inclusive workplace with insights from Laura McLean, an HR and Talent leader at Santander. Tune in to discover how you can foster an environment where trust and innovation flourish, and employees feel empowered to bring their full selves to work. Laura, alongside Dr Amanda Potter, Chartered Psychologist and CEO of Zircon BeTalent, dissects the core elements of psychological safety, demonstrating their pivotal role in leadership development and the evolving landscape of today's workforce.

You'll learn about the transformative power of small, intentional changes that can yield significant improvements in organizational culture. Just like compound interest, these adjustments magnify over time, leading to better customer experiences and fostering innovation. We'll explore the internal climates that shape customer service and discuss strategies for embedding psychological safety at both micro and macro levels. A key focus is on recognising and addressing unconscious biases, promoting true cognitive and neurodiversity within the workplace.

Even well-intentioned leaders can inadvertently create toxic environments. Our conversation highlights the importance of authenticity, candid communication, and the balancing act between professional focus and personal connection. We'll share personal anecdotes to illustrate how perceptions can be influenced by external appearances and how a supportive environment encourages productivity under pressure. Whether you're an HR leader, psychologist, or simply someone looking to enhance workplace culture, this episode provides practical advice on raising awareness and integrating small practices that build psychological safety across all levels of an organisation.

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