Explore every episode of the podcast The Canna Curious Podcast: Conversations on Cannabis, Wellness & Women’s Health
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| 21 - Give The Plant Back To The People with Kyla de Clifford. | 23 Sep 2025 | 00:36:14 | |
In this episode, I take you on a journey through the history of cannabis prohibition, from the powerful industries and political figures who drove it, to the propaganda and international treaties that locked it in place. This is not a deep academic lecture, but a story about how we got here and why a plant that was once widely used for pain, sleep, women’s health, and everyday ailments became criminalised across much of the world. We’ll look at:
By the end of this episode, you’ll see why I believe it is time to give the plant back to the people. Resources and Further Reading The Joke Dr John Jiggens - couldn't find a link to this but I got mine at The Hemp Embassy in Nimbin. Owen Smith Legalising Cannabis Extracts, Edibles in the Supreme Court of Canada 1961 Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs and later UN treaties Legalise Cannabis Party - Bill OWL Conference https://owlconference.com.au/owl-speakers/ TGA Public Consultation https://consultations.tga.gov.au/medicines-regulation-division/test-soms/ If you enjoyed this episode, please share it with someone who still believes the old myths about cannabis. And do not forget to rate and review the podcast, it helps the algorithm put this conversation in front of more people. Connect with Kyla de Clifford If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, share, and leave a review - it helps the podcast reach more curious minds just like you. Disclaimer: | |||
| 20 - Seeded. Called By The Plant with Bee and Ray. | 26 Aug 2025 | 00:42:47 | |
In this episode, we pull back the curtain and share some our own stories of how the plant called us into this space. From harm reduction and patient advocacy, to chronic pain, migraines, and the quiet frustration of being dismissed in the doctor’s office each of us followed a different road. But the common thread is connection. The plant didn’t just relieve symptoms; she shifted our perspectives, revealed truths we couldn’t ignore, and opened the possibility of healing on deeper levels. This episode isn’t about giving you a one-size-fits-all answer. It’s about reminding you that there are choices, and that healing isn’t just about quick fixesit’s about slowing down, listening, and reconnecting with yourself. What We Talk About in This Episode
Why This Matters Resources & Mentions
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| 12 - Seeded: Navigating Stigma and Finding Your Community with Bee and Ray. | 01 Jul 2025 | 00:25:20 | |
What does it take to shake off a lifetime of shame around cannabis? In this deeply personal conversation, Ray, Bee, and Kyla open up about their earliest experiences with the plant and the stigma that kept them silent for years. From growing up in countries where cannabis use meant death penalties or jail time, to navigating parenthood, professional reputations, and internalised fear, this episode goes deep into what it means to use the plant and still feel judged for it. We talk about finding language, finding confidence, and eventually finding community. This episode is a reminder that education is powerful, but so is conversation. And when we tell the truth about our relationship with the plant, we help others feel less alone. Whether you’re still whispering about your use, or proudly rolling joints at dinner parties, this one is for you. Content Note: This episode includes discussion of drug-related stigma, global drug policies, parenting, and cannabis use. Listener discretion advised. In this episode, we cover: • How growing up under the War on Drugs shaped our beliefs Bee Mohamed has worked in health policy for over 10 years, both in the public and private sectors. Bee was the inaugural CEO of ScriptWise, a health promotion charity addressing prescription medication addiction and overdose in Australia. Bee is passionate about patient advocacy and working towards better drug policy reforms in Australia. She is currently an Ambassador for Harm Reduction Australia and Founder of Mata, an online platform sharing stories from the plant medicine industry. You can find her storytelling at @mata_gathering Ray Steele is a storyteller and connector, finding her path in this work through involvement in social responsibility, agroecology, regenerative and bioregional projects for over 10 years. She is a passionate living systems advocate. After 15 years of severe migraines, a return to natural therapies offered her relief and heightened awareness of the interconnectedness between healing and living systems. You can find her @ray.steele Connect with Kyla de Clifford If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, share, and leave a review - it helps the podcast reach more curious minds just like you. Disclaimer: | |||
| 11 - Bleeding, Burnout & Blazing: Living with Endometriosis, PMDD, & ADHD with Lillie Brown. | 24 Jun 2025 | 00:45:08 | |
Lillie Brown is a sexologist, speaker, and fierce advocate for body literacy and cannabis education. She lives with endometriosis, PMDD, and ADHD and in this deeply honest (and hilarious) conversation, she shares what it’s really like to live in a body that doesn’t always play nice. We talk about the long road to diagnosis, the rollercoaster of symptoms, and the life-changing power of cannabis when used with intention. From DIY lube and THC suppositories to navigating the stigma of smoking a joint for pain, nothing is off limits in this episode. Whether you're cannabis curious, chronically ill, or simply craving more honest conversations about women's health, this one’s for you. Content Note: In this episode, we cover: • Lillie’s journey with endometriosis, PMDD, and ADHD You can find Lillie on IG @sexwithlillie Or at www.lilliebrown.com.au Resources: In our conversation we mention the 'in the weeds study - published on June 12th 2025'. Here is the link to that study https://raf.bioscientifica.com/view/journals/raf/6/2/RAF-24-0098.xml Endometriosis information and support: www.qendo.org.au or https://endometriosisaustralia.org/ Let’s keep talking: If you loved this episode, share it with someone who needs to hear it. Connect with Kyla de Clifford If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, share, and leave a review - it helps the podcast reach more curious minds just like you. Disclaimer: | |||
| 10 - THC, CBD & the Other Cannabinoids You’ve Never Heard Of with Kyla De Clifford | 17 Jun 2025 | 00:18:18 | |
Cannabis is made up of cannabinoids, terpenes, flavonoids, alkaloids, ethers & esters, lipids & waxes, proteins & enzymes and carbohydrates. For more reading on cannabinoids: The Essential Guide to CBD by Ryan Lewis & the team at Project CBD Cannabis is Medicine by Dr Bonni Goldstein The cannabinoids I talked about on today’s episode: THC (Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol): CBD (Cannabidiol): CBG (Cannabigerol): THCV (Tetrahydrocannabivarin): CBN (Cannabinol): CBC (Cannabichromene): Connect with Kyla de Clifford If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, share, and leave a review - it helps the podcast reach more curious minds just like you. Disclaimer: | |||
| 9 - This Isn’t in the Textbook: Epilepsy, CBD, and a Mother’s Grit with Erin Oudshoorn. | 10 Jun 2025 | 00:51:48 | |
What happens when your instincts whisper something the doctors won’t say out loud? In this week’s episode, I sit down with Erin Oudshoorn - mother to the incredible Luella, and founder of the Lulu Love Project. Erin shares the raw and honest story of Luella’s diagnosis with infantile spasms at just 11 weeks old, and the years that followed - filled with uncertainty, exhaustion, and an unshakable drive to find another way. We talk about what it means to follow your gut when the medical system says no, how Erin first turned to CBD in the face of resistance, and why trusting your inner voice might just be the most powerful medicine we have. This is a conversation about grit, grief, and hope. About parenting in the unknown. And about listening closely—to yourself, your child, and the stories that don’t always make it into the textbooks. Reach out to Erin: Connect with Kyla de Clifford If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, share, and leave a review - it helps the podcast reach more curious minds just like you. Disclaimer: | |||
| 8 - Seeded. Periods, Hormones and a Toolkit of Wellness with Bee & Ray. | 03 Jun 2025 | 00:47:42 | |
In this episode of Seeded, Kyla sits down with Bee and Ray for a real, unfiltered conversation about periods, pain, perimenopause, and everything we were never taught about our bodies. From the awkwardness of first bleeds and being put on the pill way too young, to hormone-fuelled migraines and the shame that still lingers around menstruation - we go there. With stories that will make you laugh, cringe, and maybe feel a little less alone, we talk about how food, plant medicine, and giving ourselves permission to rest have helped us reconnect with our cycles in a way our younger selves never could have imagined. Topics we cover:
Recommended Reading: Period Repair Manual and Hormone Repair Manual by Lara Briden The Business of Birth Control documentary by Riki Lake Bee Mohamed has worked in health policy for over 10 years, bo th in the public and private sectors. Bee was the inaugural CEO of ScriptWise, a health promotion charity addressing prescription medication addiction and overdose in Australia. Bee is passionate about patient advocacy and working towards better drug policy reforms in Australia. She is currently an Ambassador for Harm Reduction Australia and Founder of Mata, an online platform sharing stories from the plant medicine industry. You can find her storytelling at @mata_gathering Ray Steele is a storyteller and connector, finding her path in this work through involvement in social responsibility, agroecology, regenerative and bioregional projects for over 10 years. She is a passionate living systems advocate. After 15 years of severe migraines, a return to natural therapies offered her relief and heightened awareness of the interconnectedness between healing and living systems. You can find her @ray.steele Connect with Kyla de Clifford If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, share, and leave a review - it helps the podcast reach more curious minds just like you. Disclaimer: | |||
| 7 - Healing Ourselves and the Planet with Hemp - Karen Burge | 28 May 2025 | 00:45:07 | |
In this episode of Canna Curious, Kyla sits down with hemp educator and community leader Karen Burge, founder of The Hemporium and co-founder of the iconic Canna Nannas movement. Karen shares her personal journey with plant medicine, how she overcame autoimmune illness, and her tireless advocacy for hemp as a solution for health, sustainability, and social justice. From her early days publishing a grassroots magazine and meditating on the beach to standing firm in the Bentley Blockade and running for political office, Karen’s story is one of courage, conviction, and deep care for future generations. Topics we cover:
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| 6 - Amanda’s Story: From Ulcerative Colitis To Cancer & The Plant That Helped Her Heal. | 20 May 2025 | 00:36:17 | |
What happens when modern medicine leaves you out of options? Amanda shares her powerful story of enduring ulcerative colitis and stage 4 cancer, and finding healing and strength through cannabis. From suppositories to homemade oils and her new partnership with the game-changing Noids Machine, this episode is a masterclass in patient advocacy, plant medicine, and resilience. This episode is for you whether you're curious about cannabis and chronic illness, or want a behind-the-scenes look at how real women are reclaiming their health To get in touch with Amanda you can find her: Instagram: @amanda_white_stayelevated To purchase a Noids machine https://www.noids.com.au/ enter code CC at checkout for a $47 discount. Follow them @noids.au Connect with Kyla de Clifford If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, share, and leave a review - it helps the podcast reach more curious minds just like you. Disclaimer: | |||
| 5 - Migraines, Adenomyosis and Menopause with Cannabis as a Lifelong Ally with Chrissie Butler. | 13 May 2025 | 00:37:59 | |
In this episode of the Canna Curious Podcast, Kyla sits down with longtime friend and cannabis advocate Chrissie Butler to talk about her evolving relationship with the plant. From migraines to mood swings, endometriosis to the hormonal rollercoaster that is perimenopause, Chrissie opens up about using cannabis across different life stages - and how she’s had to adapt her rituals, mindset, and medical conversations as her body changed. You can find Chrissie on: Instagram: @energy.nirvana Website: https://www.energynirvana.com.au Connect with Kyla de Clifford If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, share, and leave a review - it helps the podcast reach more curious minds just like you. Disclaimer: | |||
| 4 - Seeded. A Quick Chat on Psychedelics - What’s Your Approach? With Bee Mohamed & Ray Steele. | 06 May 2025 | 00:14:08 | |
In this short seeded episode, I sit down with Ray and Bee where we are dipping into the world of psychedelics - not a deep dive (that’s coming later). We ask the question: What’s your approach to psychedelics? Is it about breakthroughs, preparation, or just another tool in the self-discovery kit? This one’s about personal takeaways, misconceptions, and why what you do after the trip might just matter more than the trip itself. Bee is passionate about patient advocacy and working towards better drug policy reforms in Australia. She is currently an Ambassador for Harm Reduction Australia and Founder of Mata, an online platform sharing stories from the plant medicine industry. You can find her storytelling at @mata_gathering Ray Steele is a storyteller and connector, finding her path in this work through involvement in social responsibility, agroecology, regenerative and bioregional projects for over 10 years. She is a passionate living systems advocate. After 15 years of severe migraines, a return to natural therapies offered her relief and heightened awareness of the interconnectedness between healing and living systems. You can find her @ray.steele For further reading on psychedelics we recommend anything by Paul Stamets. True Hallucinations by Terence McKenna and watch Dosed on Netflix. The Optiminsing Wellness and Longevity Conference (OWL’25) is on in Australia November 7-9th. This groundbreaking conference is covering psychedelics, peptides, medical cannabis, IV’s and more. Put your name down on the waitlist for when they open up public tickets.www.owlconference.com.au Connect with Kyla de Clifford If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, share, and leave a review - it helps the podcast reach more curious minds just like you. Disclaimer: | |||
| 3 - Stripped of Relief: Fight for Medical Cannabis in Hospital with Sharna Stewart. | 30 Apr 2025 | 00:56:28 | |
When pain is constant, medicine becomes sacred. So what happens when the system takes it away? Sharna lives with fibromyalgia, a condition that brings relentless, widespread pain. Through trial and error, she found relief with legal medical cannabis—until she enters the hospital. Each time she’s admitted for care, her cannabis is confiscated and she’s put back on opioids, a medication that makes her violently ill. In this deeply personal conversation, Sharna shares the physical and emotional toll of being denied the medicine that works for her. It’s a story of resilience, and the ongoing battle for patient rights in a system that still hasn’t caught up with the science—or the humanity. I’m grateful to Sharna for her time today so lets spark up this conversation Sharna can be contacted @fibroadvocate1 Connect with Kyla de Clifford If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, share, and leave a review - it helps the podcast reach more curious minds just like you. Disclaimer: | |||
| 19 - Alcohol Vs Cannabis: Kyla de Clifford. | 19 Aug 2025 | 00:19:17 | |
In this solo episode of Canna Curious, Kyla gets personal about grief, self-care, and the choices we make when life gets heavy. She unpacks one of the oldest debates: alcohol versus cannabis. What You’ll Learn in This Episode
Key Takeaways:
Statistics: Breakdown of Cannabis-Related Deaths in Australia (2000–2018) This comes from a retrospective review of coronial records via Australia’s National Coronial Information System, as reported by Emma Zahra and colleagues at NDARC, UNSW Sydney Manner of Deaths (out of total 559 cases):
Polydrug Involvement
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| 2 - Mums on the Frontline: Challenging Cannabis in Women's Health with Alice Davy. | 20 Apr 2025 | 01:01:43 | |
In this episode we chat through Alice’s journey with Cannabis. We hear how Alice used medicinal cannabis when she got pregnant with her second child. She is a passionate advocate for cannabis reform including women’s and Connect with Kyla de Clifford If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, share, and leave a review - it helps the podcast reach more curious minds just like you. Disclaimer: | |||
| 1 - Welcome to Canna Curious with Kyla de Clifford. | 20 Apr 2025 | 00:22:01 | |
In this episode I share my journey and what led me here to the plant and to the stories of these beautiful women. Thank you. Connect with Kyla de Clifford If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, share, and leave a review - it helps the podcast reach more curious minds just like you. Disclaimer: | |||
| 18 - Instigating Rebel: Christina McMullan's Cannabis Story. | 12 Aug 2025 | 00:54:16 | |
What does it mean to grow up in a medical household, rebel against it, and then return to plant medicine as the very thing that brings peace, presence, and healing? In this episode, I sit down with my friend Christina McMullan, an instigating rebel and the voice behind Aus Canna Reviews and the Aus Canna Podcast. We start by going back to the 90s, when cannabis first entered her life on a hill in Texas, and follow her journey through grief, motherhood, and advocacy. Christina speaks candidly about:
This episode is honest, reflective, and full of those quiet truths that often go unspoken. Whether you're new to the plant or have a long-standing relationship with it, Christina's story is a reminder that healing is not always loud, and rebellion is not always visible. Christina hosts the Aus Canna Podcast you can find her here: @auscannareviews Or you can find her on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you listen. Subscribe to the Canna Curious newsletter: Get honest conversations, science-backed insights, and plant-based tools to support your wellbeing. Sign up at www.cannacurious.com.au Connect with Kyla de Clifford If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, share, and leave a review - it helps the podcast reach more curious minds just like you. Disclaimer: | |||
| 17 - In Memory Of My Beautiful Nanna. | 05 Aug 2025 | 00:16:32 | |
Lena Mariana (Mary) 11/04/1928 - 03/08/2025. This week’s episode is raw and unpolished, recorded during a tender moment as my Nanna Mary was nearing the end of her life. It's a conversation wrapped in love, loss, and legacy. I explore:
This episode is for anyone grieving, anyone breaking generational patterns, and anyone learning to feel instead of flee. It’s for the woman becoming the ancestor her grandmother never got to be. Mentioned in this episode:
A gentle ask: Thank you for holding this space with me. I’ll be back next week with our regular program. Connect with Kyla de Clifford If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, share, and leave a review - it helps the podcast reach more curious minds just like you. Disclaimer: | |||
| 16 - Seeded. How to Take a T- Break: Resetting Your Cannabis Tolerance with Bee and Ray. | 29 Jul 2025 | 00:24:47 | |
In this episode of The Canna Curious Podcast, we’re talking about t- breaks also known as tolerance breaks. Whether you use cannabis for anxiety, pain, migraines, or perimenopause symptoms, sometimes it’s worth pausing to ask: Is my medicine still working the way I need it to? Together with Bee and Ray, we dive into the why, when, and how of taking a break from cannabis. We explore what to expect physically and emotionally, how to avoid white-knuckling your way through it, and why planning, journaling, and self-compassion are your best allies. We also unpack:
Whether you’re taking a one-day pause or a three-week reset, this conversation is a reminder that your relationship with the plant can be intentional, empowering, and deeply supportive. Resources Mentioned: 🫖 Download the Tea Break Guide & Tracker → https://cannacurious.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/cannabis-rest-reset-tolerance-break-6.pdf If this episode resonates, let us know. Your feedback helps shape future episodes - and we love hearing your stories. Bee Mohamed has worked in health policy for over 10 years, both in the public and private sectors. Bee was the inaugural CEO of ScriptWise, a health promotion charity addressing prescription medication addiction and overdose in Australia. Bee is passionate about patient advocacy and working towards better drug policy reforms in Australia. She is currently an Ambassador for Harm Reduction Australia and Founder of Mata, an online platform sharing stories from the plant medicine industry. You can find her storytelling at @mata_gathering Ray Steele is a storyteller and connector, finding her path in this work through involvement in social responsibility, agroecology, regenerative and bioregional projects for over 10 years. She is a passionate living systems advocate. After 15 years of severe migraines, a return to natural therapies offered her relief and heightened awareness of the interconnectedness between healing and living systems. You can find her @ray.steele Connect with Kyla de Clifford If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, share, and leave a review - it helps the podcast reach more curious minds just like you. Disclaimer: | |||
| 15 (Bonus) - Desire: Sex and Cannabis with Lillie Brown. | 25 Jul 2025 | 01:02:05 | |
Welcome to the first in a new series exploring sex, pleasure, and the plant - hosted by Kyla and somatic sexologist Lillie Brown. In this juicy and deeply honest conversation, we crack open a topic that’s often whispered about but rarely explored with compassion: desire. This episode is for every woman who’s felt the weight of low libido, shame around cannabis use, or a disconnect between their mind and body especially in the chaos of motherhood, chronic illness, or perimenopause. We explore:
Lillie also shares her framework of making eroticism a lifestyle and why your sex life isn’t just about what happens in the bedroom. From brushing your teeth to cleaning the socks off the floor, she reminds us: context is everything. Whether you’re partnered or solo, in a drought or riding high, this episode is a permission slip to explore desire on your terms, in your body, with your tools - and maybe even a cheeky vape or velvet doona cover. Lillie Brown Lillie Brown is a certified somatic sexologist, facilitator, writer, and collage artist who’s obsessed with helping people experience more pleasure, confidence, and connection in their sex lives. Whether it was Catholic school or Friday nights spent watching Girls of the Playboy Mansion, she’s always been fascinated by why we crave sex, how we have it, and how to dial up the pleasure. Her warm, playful, and judgement-free approach helps individuals, couples, and groups get intimately acquainted with their bodies, desires, and erotic potential. A hedonist at heart, Lillie is dedicated to guiding people through erotic transformation and sexual liberation with shame-free, pleasure-focused education. Ready to explore your own desires, build your sexual confidence, or finally feel at home in your body? Book a 1:1 session with Lillie and start your journey toward the sex life—and pleasure - you deserve. Find her @sexwithlillie Free Download: Make sense of your turn ons https://www.lilliebrown.com/make-sense-of-your-turn-ons Connect with Kyla de Clifford If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, share, and leave a review - it helps the podcast reach more curious minds just like you. Disclaimer: | |||
| 15 - The Hormone-Cannabis Connection: Dosing with Body Literacy with Kyla de Clifford. | 22 Jul 2025 | 00:19:10 | |
Today we’re diving into a question every canna-curious woman has either wondered about, or learned the hard way: How do I actually dose cannabis? And what does my cycle have to do with it? If you’ve ever taken an edible and suddenly found yourself narrating your life like it’s a David Attenborough documentary or if you’ve avoided trying again after a not-so-great experience, this one’s for you. In this episode, we’ll cover:
We’ll walk through what a low dose actually looks like, how to track what’s working, and why body literacy is your best friend when it comes to plant medicine. Plus, I’ll break down each phase of your menstrual cycle and how it can impact your cannabis experience from microdosing for cramps to titrating carefully during PMS. Whether you're new to this space or looking to deepen your relationship with the plant, this episode gives you the tools to tune in, track wisely, and dose with confidence. Download Your FREE Dosing + Cycle Tracker Here: https://cannacurious.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/gold-leaf-cycle-trader-one-page.pdf References + studies mentioned are also listed below:
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| 14 - Rewriting The Rules: A Mum’s Plant Story with Jess Peros. | 15 Jul 2025 | 00:49:44 | |
Ever felt judged for choosing a vape over a wine? Or wondered why mothers who take c*nn*b!s still get side-eyed while wine o’clock is seen as self-care? In this episode of Canna Curious, I sit down with Jess, a mother, grower, educator, and lifelong plant lover, to talk all things womanhood, wellness, and rewriting the story we’ve been told about cannabis! From her first joint at 14 to microdosing with intention, Jess shares how her relationship with the plant has shifted through the wild years of growing up, raising kids, and working on the frontlines of patient care. We talk about: This one’s for the women who use the plant not to check out, but to check in. To calm the chaos. To reconnect. To heal. It’s raw, reflective, and rebellious in the best way. Whether you’re new to the plant or have been using it for decades, Jess reminds us what conscious use really looks like. You can find jess @thegreenroom.hq Mentioned Dr Jeffrey Hergenrather https://www.drjeffhergenrather.com/ Connect with Kyla de Clifford If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, share, and leave a review - it helps the podcast reach more curious minds just like you. Disclaimer: | |||
| 13 - Methods Of Consumption with Kyla De Clifford. | 09 Jul 2025 | 00:18:58 | |
Ever had a gummy that hit you like a freight train two hours later? Or vaped and wondered why the effect disappeared in under an hour? Welcome to the world of ca**abis consumption methods where how you take it can totally change how it works. In this episode of Canna Curious, Kyla breaks down the different ways we take ca**abis. From fast-acting vapes to long-lasting oils, topicals that stay skin-deep to suppositories that change the gamethis is your guide to doing it smarter, not stronger. Whether you’re here for pain, sleep, mood, or hormone support, knowing the right method for the moment could be the missing piece. What I Cover:
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