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MBA grads still don’t get bitcoin, here’s why with Anil Patel
Episode 88
Wednesday, June 18, 2025 • Duration 57:18
What if you were introduced to digital scarcity before bitcoin even existed? In this episode, we sit down with Anil Patel, author of The Bitcoin Handbook and creator of widely shared bitcoin graphics featured in Michael Saylor keynotes. Anil shares how selling concert tickets sparked his early understanding of scarcity, and how that insight shaped his approach to bitcoin. We discuss his take on bitcoin’s future as a store of value, treasury asset, and sovereign protection tool, and why he believes bitcoin’s price will rise forever. Anil unpacks his journey from pitching bitcoin to MBA classmates in 2013 to now building educational content that simplifies complex ideas. We explore the rise of bitcoin treasury companies, how centralized platforms differ from bitcoin’s ethos, and the enduring value of reading and low time preference in a distracted world.
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TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 - Intro
1:09 - Anil’s early digital scarcity insight from concert ticketing
5:12 - Why bitcoin will go up forever, according to Anil
12:07 - Building a personal and family bitcoin reserve
14:18 - Bitcoin treasury companies vacuuming up supply
16:17 - Pitching bitcoin to his MBA class in 2013
23:32 - Evolving bitcoin education and content creation
29:22 - Why early bitcoiners understood digital scarcity
32:16 - Sovereignty vs number go up—why both matter
40:16 - Mental models and heuristics to cut through noise
43:08 - Innovation is accelerating—so is bitcoin’s upside
What if bitcoin treasury companies become the most powerful corporations of the next decade? In this episode, we’re joined by Sam Callahan to explore how lightning adoption, corporate strategy, and macro uncertainty are reshaping the global economy. Sam explains why companies like Strategy are pioneering a new capital structure based on bitcoin, how BTC-native yield on the Lightning Network could disrupt traditional finance, and why institutions are finally waking up to sound money. We cover everything from regulatory arbitrage and ETF flows to lightning yield flywheels, safe haven behavior, and the future of corporate balance sheets. Sam also breaks down how tether and stablecoin adoption could drive a new phase of economic activity on lightning—and what it means for investors looking to outperform.
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TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 - Intro
1:21 - How bitcoin treasury companies are revolutionizing finance
5:20 - Bitcoin treasury companies vs real estate leverage
10:01 - Why this cycle could mimic 2017’s parabolic run
12:46 - Why bitcoin adoption is at a major inflection point
Is bitcoin’s wealth creation era over or just beginning? with Trace Mayer
Episode 86
Wednesday, June 4, 2025 • Duration 01:01:42
Bitcoin’s volatility is falling—and Trace Mayer thinks that may signal the end of its wealth creation era. In this episode, we sit down with early bitcoin investor and proof of keys holiday founder Trace Mayer to unpack where we are in bitcoin’s lifecycle and what comes next. Trace breaks down his recent debate with Peter Schiff, explaining why subjective value theory and entrepreneurship are at the heart of bitcoin’s superiority over gold. We explore bitcoin’s declining volatility, why Strategy’s strategy may be riskier than it looks, and how bitcoin financialization is accelerating faster than expected. Trace also shares why proof of reserves matters, the long-term risk of custodial centralization, and how legal frameworks might evolve to protect against contentious forks.
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TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 - Intro
1:24 - Debating Peter Schiff on sound money and bitcoin
5:44 - Why Satoshi was a monetary entrepreneur
10:07 - Bitcoin vs gold: scarcity, portability, and use cases
20:36 - The light side vs dark side of investing with bitcoin
Hal Finney was right about $10mm bitcoin with Adam Back
Episode 85
Tuesday, May 27, 2025 • Duration 01:04:53
Bitcoin might still be wildly undervalued—and Adam Back explains why. In this episode, we sit down with Adam Back, CEO of Blockstream, early cypherpunk, and inventor of hashcash, the proof-of-work system that inspired bitcoin mining. Adam shares the story of receiving the first known email from Satoshi Nakamoto, why he didn’t buy bitcoin until it hit $100, and how early ideas like b-money and bit gold shaped Satoshi’s breakthrough. We explore the importance of a fixed supply, why halvings still move the market, and how doubt keeps bitcoin underpriced. Adam weighs in on treasury adoption, supply shocks, and whether this cycle could break the diminishing returns theory. We also discuss volatility, long-term thinking, and the $100 trillion opportunity bitcoin is unlocking.
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TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 - Intro
1:00 - Why selling bitcoin is like playing against a rigged casino
7:38 - Why Adam didn’t buy bitcoin until it hit $100
10:11 - Realizing bitcoin had bootstrapped into something real
13:35 - The underrated role of Nick Szabo, Wei Dai, and Hal Finney
What if $100,000 bitcoin is just the beginning? with Vijay Boyapati
Episode 84
Tuesday, May 20, 2025 • Duration 57:51
In this episode, we sit down with Vijay Boyapati, author of The Bullish Case for Bitcoin, to explore where we really are in the current market cycle and what comes next. Vijay breaks down four frameworks for valuing bitcoin, explains why gold parity is almost inevitable, and outlines how ETFs and corporate treasury strategies are reshaping adoption. We talk through HODL waves, why the current price action still feels boring, and what it might take to push bitcoin to $10mm+ per coin. Vijay also discusses quantum computing and AI as emerging risks, the importance of ossification, and how a future of abundance may still require sound money. Finally, he shares what he’d update in his original thesis and why the story of Satoshi may become one of the defining legends of the next thousand years
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TIMESTAMPS: 0:00 - Intro 2:08 - Valuing bitcoin at $1M and $10M 4:01 - HODL waves and the psychology of selling 5:49 - Four frameworks for bitcoin valuation 10:06 - Why bitcoin surpassing gold is nearly certain 12:27 - How early we still are in global adoption 14:38 - Why ETFs changed the bitcoin game 17:32 - How MicroStrategy tapped the bond market 20:36 - What’s holding bitcoin back today 22:41 - Why hyperbitcoinization is unlikely this cycle 23:18 - How bitcoin cycles crash and reset 27:11 - What could break the MicroStrategy model 29:34 - How long-term investors may soften future crashes 30:27 - Would you change anything in the bullish case?35:06 - Quantum computing and bitcoin’s biggest risk38:02 - Will AI abundance make money obsolete?41:29 - Why time guarantees bitcoin’s role in the future46:00 - Bitcoin ossification vs. protocol changes49:27 - Will self-custody or custodians win long term?51:40 - What would Satoshi think today?54:19 - Is bitcoin a digital organism?56:05 - Outside of bitcoin, what excites Vijay most?57:09 - Where to find Vijay and his work
Can bitcoin spark a nuclear renaissance?
Episode 83
Tuesday, May 13, 2025 • Duration 54:29
What if bitcoin could spark a nuclear renaissance? In this episode, we’re joined by Ryan, better known as Nuclear Bitcoiner, to explore the intersection of nuclear energy and bitcoin. Ryan shares how bitcoin aligns with long-term infrastructure like small modular reactors and how it may reshape the economics of power generation. We walk through the advantages of nuclear over wind and solar, the implications of AI and data center demand, and how microgrids could decentralize the future energy landscape. Ryan also breaks down fusion vs. fission, the role of hash rate flexibility, and why nation-states will inevitably compete for mining dominance. From financing nuclear with bitcoin bonds to rethinking scarcity itself, this episode offers a forward-looking view of energy, incentives, and acceleration.
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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 - Intro
01:01 - Why Ryan became the nuclear bitcoin
03:03 - How bitcoin mining fits perfectly with nuclear microgrids
06:36 - Why nuclear beats wind and solar on resilience
11:32 - Can small nuclear reactors decentralize the grid?
14:11 - The AI and data center energy boom is bullish for nuclear
From fighter jets to $2.4mm bitcoin with George Bodine
Episode 82
Tuesday, May 6, 2025 • Duration 01:10:35
What happens when a former underground miner and Navy fighter pilot goes all in on bitcoin? In this episode, we sit down with George Bodine to find out. George shares his unique journey—from hauling rock beneath the earth to flying jets—and how it led him to see bitcoin as the only escape from a broken monetary system. We explore his view on inflation, the collapse of the American dream, and why he believes bitcoin could reach $2.4 million by 2030. George breaks down the risks of yield products, the role of ETFs and MicroStrategy, and the repeal of SAB 121. He shares his thoughts on Tether and 21 Capital, the rise of the national strategic bitcoin reserve, and the possibility of sovereign accumulation. We close with a thoughtful discussion on whether bitcoin is ultimately for optimists or pessimists—and his message to the next generation.
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TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 - Intro
1:14 - From underground miner to Navy pilot to Delta captain
4:17 - Realizing you can’t outrun fiat money after the GFC
6:57 - Living through Nixon’s gold shock and the petrodollar pivot
9:06 - Why gold bugs are future bitcoiners
Bitcoin at an Inflection Point: Macro, 4-year Cycle & On-Chain Insights with Rational Root
Episode 81
Tuesday, April 29, 2025 • Duration 01:02:50
What if bitcoin really is decoupling from the stock market? In this episode, we’re joined by Rational Root, creator of the Bitcoin Strategy Platform and one of the top on-chain cycle analysts in the space. We explore whether macro chaos and rising gold prices are setting the stage for bitcoin to chart its own path. Root breaks down how the 4-year cycle could break, what historical data says about the current inflection point, and why he believes institutional flows are quietly limiting downside volatility. He also shares his custom spiral and 3D valuation charts, how to track hype in the market, and why 100k bitcoin might be harder to break than most think.
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TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 - Intro
1:06 - Why bitcoin’s fundamentals have never looked better
4:20 - Could macro chaos trigger bitcoin’s decoupling?
10:06 - Bitcoin trades on optimism, gold trades on fear
17:09 - Is gold’s rise setting up bitcoin’s breakout?
The new Manhattan Projects: 50x cheaper energy, the race to space, and bitcoin
Episode 80
Wednesday, April 23, 2025 • Duration 57:40
Energy production is broken—and rebuilding it could unlock a new era of abundance. In this episode, we sit down with Isaiah Taylor, founder of Valor Atomics, to explore how cheap energy can reshape the world. Isaiah shares his family’s history with the Manhattan Project, why nuclear innovation stalled in the West, and how Valor is building modular giga-sites to produce cleaner, cheaper energy at scale. We discuss how robotics, AI, and manufacturing are shifting cost curves, the future of energy demand, and why decentralization is key to national resilience. Isaiah also shares his thoughts on bitcoin, the dangers of regulatory bloat, and how restoring antifragility to America’s legal system could unleash a new industrial boom.
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TIMESTAMPS: 0:00 - Intro 1:04 - Isaiah Taylor’s Manhattan Project family history 3:18 - Secrecy inside America’s Secret City 5:37 - Why America needs new Manhattan Projects today 7:39 - How Valor Atomics is rethinking nuclear reactors 10:01 - How a nuclear reactor really works 13:38 - Why building reactors became a legal and talent problem 16:59 - How AI is pushing investors toward hard tech 18:59 - The future of energy: exponential demand and production 21:46 - Why energy prices have been broken since the 1970s 26:06 - Valor’s giga-site model to transform energy markets 30:27 - Could machines create an infinite energy feedback loop? 33:57 - Humanity’s mission: garden the universe 36:19 - Will money still matter in a post-scarcity world?40:34 - How regulatory bloat crushed American industry48:10 - Why Isaiah Taylor is suing the Nuclear Regulatory Commission
What if bitcoin development stopped tomorrow? with Mike Schmidt and Buck Perley
Episode 79
Tuesday, April 15, 2025 • Duration 55:05
What if bitcoin development stopped tomorrow? In this episode, we sit down with Mike Schmidt, Executive Director at Brink, and Buck Perley, Director of Product Engineering at Unchained, to explore the state of open source development and why it matters more than ever. Mike shares his path from software engineer to funding bitcoin core developers, while Buck recounts his early bitcoin experiences in China. We cover what bitcoin core developers actually do, how brink evaluates contributors, and why maintenance, security, and review are essential—even without major protocol changes. The conversation also touches on ossification, governance, and the future of soft forks. If you’ve ever wondered who maintains bitcoin’s foundation and why it matters, this episode pulls back the curtain.
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TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 - Intro
1:14 - Why open source matters for bitcoin
6:20 - How Buck discovered bitcoin in China
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