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Is it Christian?? Talking Faith-Based Art & Business
29 oct. 2026
00:46:10
Be Still Podcast, Episode 2
Welcome back to the Be Still Podcast! This is the conversation we teased in episode 1. I'm Caleb, founder of Forty-Six Ten, and I'm back in the warehouse with two of my best friends and teammates, Brett and MJ Fleming.
Does a song, a movie or a hoodie have to mention God to be Christian? We get into Christian art and how much creative liberty is too much, the non-Christian movies and music that have pointed us back to God, and what actually makes 4610 a Christian business. Brett shares the prayer walk he does through the warehouse every morning, we answer the "you're profiting off of Jesus' name" comments, and MJ brings a quote about a Christian shoemaker that sums up the standard we want for everything we make.
"Be still, and know that I am God." Psalm 46:10
CHAPTERS 0:00 Welcome to episode 2 1:15 Does art have to mention God to be Christian? 3:10 How much creative liberty is too much? 4:06 The kids' movie that changed how MJ saw Noah's ark 6:12 Always go back to the source of truth 8:33 Do we picture Jesus as the actor on screen? 9:50 God's fingerprints in secular books and movies 12:09 Witchcraft, wizards and fantasy stories 14:31 When non-Christian art glorifies God more 16:20 Music that reminded MJ of life before Christ 17:22 Movies that broke our hearts for people 20:23 Why MJ cries differently at the same songs now 21:49 What makes 4610 a Christian business? 23:55 Brett's morning prayer walk through the warehouse 25:38 "You're profiting off of Jesus' name" 27:38 Is pointing people to Jesus enough? 30:25 The last strand before someone comes to faith 32:01 A Christian shoemaker makes good shoes 33:58 Staying a Christian business as we grow 38:31 You will know them by their fruits 40:04 Never stop asking if we're doing it right 41:34 Has a hate comment ever made us think? 44:09 Why not just work hard at a secular job? 45:53 Wrap up
WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT Christian art: MJ thinks a piece of art is only Christian if it glorifies God, His character and His kingdom. Having Christianity tied into it, even biblical characters or stories, isn't enough on its own. Adaptations that take liberties can shape how people see the Bible for years. MJ grew up with a kids' movie about Noah's ark that said God didn't want to flood the earth, and she had to relearn the real story later. Artists making Christian art carry a real responsibility, because people who don't know Jesus, or whose faith isn't rock solid yet, are listening. Brett's advice: always go back to the source of truth, and when you read a children's Bible with your kids, point them back to the real thing in Scripture.
God's fingerprints everywhere: Brett read classic secular novels all through school and still found Christian themes in them: courage, sacrifice, good triumphing over evil. Maybe a hot take, but some non-Christian art glorifies God more than art that calls itself Christian. You don't go stargazing looking for Christian stars. You're just looking at God's creation.
Art that points us back to God: MJ talks about music from before she was saved that now reminds her of what God has done, Brett's mom's playlist that walks from life before Christ all the way to salvation, and movies that broke our hearts and had us praying for people we've never met. "These lyrics of hopelessness and desperation and pain, that was me, and I'm so glad that I have Christ now."
What makes a business Christian: it's not the fact that we put Jesus on our clothes. It's how you treat people and the decisions you make. Brett comes in early and prays over the warehouse every morning, and if God took it all away tomorrow, we'd say what an amazing opportunity that we even got to do it. On profit, the Bible talks about money and work all the time. What matters is stewarding it well and the heart posture behind it. MJ pushes it further: the goal isn't only pointing people to Jesus, it's glorifying God in every business practice, from the design to customer service to how we treat and pay the people we work with. "A Christian shoemaker isn't a Christian shoemaker because he puts little crosses on his shoes. He's a Christian shoemaker because he makes really good shoes."
Staying faithful as we grow: keep Christ first, keep asking whether we're doing this the right way, and hopefully have many more three-hour conversations about whether something is good or not. And as Brett was reminded, a piece of clothing might be the last strand before someone comes to faith. We might never see it on this side of heaven.
YOUR TURN Does art have to mention God to be Christian? Tell us what you think in the comments, and send us any questions you want us to answer on the show.
HOSTS Caleb Weidner, founder of Forty-Six Ten Brett Fleming, sales and partnerships MJ Fleming, warehouse manager and customer care
ABOUT FORTY-SIX TEN Forty-Six Ten is a Christian apparel company named after Psalm 46:10. Every order is picked, packed and shipped out of our warehouse in South Jersey, the same place we filmed this episode.
Welcome to the very first episode of the Be Still Podcast! I'm Caleb, founder of Forty-Six Ten, and I'm joined by two of my best friends and teammates, Brett and MJ Fleming. (Yes, they're married.)
In this one I share how 4610 started as a college class project I almost said no to, and why we named it after Psalm 46:10. Brett and MJ introduce each other, from Salt Lake City and a 13-hour phone call to a January wedding in Philly and both of them ending up full-time at the warehouse.
Then we get into what it actually looks like to go into business with your friends, why work can never be king, a sermon length over/under that got a little heated, and how scrolling can be the way we run from being still.
"Be still, and know that I am God." Psalm 46:10
CHAPTERS
0:00 Welcome to the Be Still Podcast 0:19 How 4610 started 3:31 Brett introduces MJ 6:38 What MJ does at 4610 7:26 Engaged in June, married in January 8:37 MJ introduces Brett 10:53 Brett goes full-time at 4610 14:40 The 47-page plan Brett wrote in college 17:07 1 a.m. at the warehouse and the cost of building something 18:55 When a job is more than a paycheck 21:10 Should you go into business with friends? 22:52 Why business partners are a lot like a marriage 26:39 Why people say "don't go into business with friends" 27:59 Work can't be king 29:50 Looking up to each other 32:24 The questions Brett and MJ didn't see coming 34:18 Sermon over/under: how long is too long? 37:33 Why Brett said 70 minutes 40:17 Expectations and attention spans 41:37 Listening to sermons at 1.7x speed 42:27 We've lost the ability to be bored 43:49 Quiet makes room for God 44:32 Scrolling is running away from Jesus 45:58 Take it to Jesus, even when you don't want to 47:15 Wrap up
WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT How 4610 started: I was a junior in college when my roommate needed a partner for his entrepreneurship final. The top teams had to pitch on stage in front of the school, and honestly I was scared to do it. Once I made the logo I was all in. We picked Psalm 46:10 because it was one of my post-it note verses, the one that reminded me God was in control no matter how crazy college got. None of this was my plan, but God has led it every step of the way.
Brett and MJ: MJ grew up in Salt Lake City, did missions work, and went to college in Florida, where she met Brett on a work trip. Less than a week later they were on the phone for 13 hours straight. They got engaged in June, MJ moved to New Jersey in August to become our warehouse manager, and they got married in January. If you've ever emailed us, it was most likely MJ answering you. Brett grew up in South Jersey, was homeschooled, graduated with a 4.0, and spent three and a half years in corporate sales and marketing before joining 4610 full-time to run sales, partnerships and wholesale.
Business with friends: People say don't go into business with friends. We think that advice usually comes from a fear mindset, and from a worldview where work becomes the main thing. When God is at the center, work can't be king. What makes it work for us is vision alignment, hard conversations early, owning it and apologizing fast, no ego, and actually looking up to each other in the areas where we're not as strong.
The sermon over/under: What's the absolute maximum length for a sermon before it starts losing the congregation? We all held up our answers at the same time and landed on 50, 60 and 70 minutes. You'll have to watch to see who said what, and why one of us was trained by 70-minute family devotions at 12 years old.
Being still: We've lost the ability to be bored. Try a 30-minute walk with no phone and no music and see what comes up. A lot of us scroll so we don't have to face our own thoughts and fears, and in a way that's running from Jesus. You're not stopping your brain, you're not being still. The better answer is to take it to Jesus, even when your prayer starts with "I don't really want to be talking to You right now."
YOUR TURN How long is too long for a sermon? Drop your number in the comments.
We also teased a future episode: what's the difference between a Christian song or movie and one made by a Christian? Does art have to mention God to glorify Him? Let us know what you think, and send us any questions you want us to answer on the show.
HOSTS Caleb Weidner, founder of Forty-Six Ten Brett Fleming, sales and partnerships MJ Fleming, warehouse manager and customer care
ABOUT FORTY-SIX TEN Forty-Six Ten is a Christian apparel company named after Psalm 46:10. Every order is picked, packed and shipped out of our warehouse in South Jersey, the same place we filmed this episode.
My business, Forty-Six Ten Apparel Company, has been going through some crazzzzy scammer trials. I talk about how the Bible says we are to deal with thieves and things in life that aren't just. When things aren't fair, what does God say to do? I jump into Psalms and Thessalonians to find His answers! I pray this heart posture check will encourage you in times when things in your life just don't feel fair. God bless!
Is God Only A Piece of Your Life Puzzle?
04 sept. 2024
00:14:05
I discuss the hymn "He Will Hold Me Fast" (the Shane & Shane version) and give some thoughts on how Jesus holds us fast and not vice versa.
Lyrics:
When I fear my faith will fail
Christ will hold me fast
When the tempter would prevail
He will hold me fast
I could never keep my hold
Through life's fearful path
For my love is often cold
He must hold me fast
He will hold me fast
He will hold me fast
For my Savior loves me so
He will hold me fast
Those He saves are His delight
Christ will hold me fast
Precious in His holy sight
He will hold me fast
He'll not let my soul be lost
His promises shall last
Bought by Him at such a cost
He will hold me fast
He will hold me fast
He will hold me fast
For my Savior loves me so
He will hold me fast
For my life He bled and died
Christ will hold me fast
Justice has been satisfied
He will hold me fast
Raised with Him to endless life
He will hold me fast
'Til our faith is turned to sight
When He comes at last
He will hold me fast
He will hold me fast
For my Savior loves me so
He will hold me fast
He will hold me fast
He will hold me fast
For my Savior loves me so
He will hold me fast
He began to work on me
He began to work on me
You'll complete the work on me
You'll complete the work on me
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The Story of Forty-Six Ten Apparel Co. Pt. 2
26 août 2024
00:16:57
Today I sit down and talk about the second part of the Forty-Six Ten Apparel Co. story from my perspective! I hope you see the ways in which God was completely faithful throughout the entire journey. He intricately put every obstacle and person and piece in place for His ultimate glory.
Love, Vulnerability, & a C.S. Lewis Quote
24 août 2024
00:15:59
I heard a C.S. Lewis quote on love tonight- one that I would consider a life quote that I hold dear. I talk about how Lewis and 1 Corinthians talk about true love- whether it's a friendship, family relationship, or romantic relationship/marriage.
Romans 12 Talk-Through!
23 août 2024
00:25:59
Sit down with me as I go through Romans 12! I've been studying Romans with my men's discipleship group the past month and wanted to share some perspectives and thoughts I had on this excerpt.
Sharing Jesus in Public - How to Share At School
22 août 2024
00:19:34
Today I explore a response to one of our Instagram submissions asking how to share Jesus at school without shoving it down people's throats? Join me as I use Biblical perspective to ponder this question.
Are You Worried About Your Future? A Biblical Perspective on the Present
21 août 2024
00:20:45
Hey guys! Doing another song lyric review, this time on the track "The Future" by Tenth Avenue North (once again). I explore what people commonly worry about for their futures and how a Biblical perspective can change our worry to a burden lifted off our shoulders daily.
You're Struggling. What Should Your Heart Posture Be?
20 août 2024
00:19:10
Tonight I sit and talk through the impactful lines of the song "Don't Stop the Madness" by Tenth Avenue North. It explores how God calls our heart posture to be amidst the pain, trials, confusion, madness, and chaos of life.
Talk 1 - Intro
19 août 2024
00:12:09
Welcome to the Forty-Six Ten technically "podcast." Talking about how this will potentially go and how God led our first steps in the business journey 2.5 years ago!