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Ulas Ozguven spent 25 years in intrusion prevention, identity fraud protection and secure data rooms before AI governance existed as a career. His advice for anyone looking at the field: none of that was wasted, and moving into it isn't starting over.

Ulas is co-founder and Chief Commercial Officer of VerifyWise, an AI governance platform he runs from London with his co-founder Gorkem Cetin in Toronto - two people who, at the time of recording, had never met in person.

We talk about the pattern he only saw in hindsight, why AI governance is a bigger than cybersecurity, what organizations discover when they finally inventory their own AI, and why influence and judgement matter more than technical depth in this work.

Chapters
00:00 AI governance is not a job pivot
01:36 Twenty-five years of deciding who to trust
03:28 From engineer to sales, and becoming the bridge
04:48 The school that was afraid of AI
06:42 Why AI is a harder problem than cybersecurity
12:38 Geek, entrepreneur, humanist
14:12 Co-founders who have never met
16:12 Trust is competence, integrity and care
18:55 The AI you don't know you have
22:15 Why influence matters more than technical depth
25:09 Bring what you already have
26:31 Imposter syndrome, and the nine-month realization

Ulas Ozguven - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ulasozguven/

VerifyWise - https://verifywise.ai/

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