The 4th Wave in Therapy – Details, episodes & analysis

In this conversation with Peta, Dr. Christine Gibson discusses her journey into trauma work and the importance of trauma-informed care in the medical field. She emphasizes the need for a paradigm shift in understanding the mind-body connection and the impact of trauma on physical and mental health. Dr. Gibson shares practical tools and techniques from her book, The Modern Trauma Toolkit, that can help individuals regulate their nervous systems and heal from trauma. She also highlights the importance of trauma-informed training for healthcare professionals and the need for greater awareness of trauma in society.

For show notes, transcripts, resources and more visit the podcast episode page here  

https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/Dr-Christine-Gibson

About Dr Christine GIbson

Dr. Christine Gibson is a family physician, trauma therapist, and author of The Modern Trauma Toolkit. You can find her on TiKTok with the handle TikTokTraumaDoc with >130k and her two TEDx talks online. Dr. Gibson has a passion for Health Equity and systems change, having created a residency and run programs for and with equity-deserving communities. She runs an international non-profit called the Global Familymed Foundation and a company where she trains professionals on how to manage workplace trauma - Safer Spaces Training (and The Belong Foundation).

Personal site: www.ChristineGibson.net

Book site: www.ModernTrauma.com

Social media links:

YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@dr.christinegibson

Facebook https://www.facebook.com/gibtrotterMD

Twitter https://twitter.com/GibtrotterMD

Dr. Kim D'Eramo, a physician and practitioner of mind-body medicine, discusses the concept of miraculous healing and the importance of taking science one step further. She emphasizes the connection between emotional distress and physical symptoms, highlighting the role of fear and shame in suppressing the body's natural healing abilities. Dr. D'Eramo shares her personal journey of healing from a severe autoimmune disease and explains the power of awareness, breath, and movement in facilitating healing. She also discusses the emergence of the fourth wave of therapy, which focuses on the mind-body connection and the role of consciousness in healthcare.

In this conversation with Dr Kim, you will learn the 3 steps to take and ask when you are looking for the answers - whether this be for a physical illness, pain or other issues, these questions are worth learning!

The show notes, transcripts and more are on the podcast page here 

https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/Dr-Kim-D'Eramo 

About Dr Kim

Dr Kim D'Eramo is a Physician, Best-Selling Author of The MindBody ToolKit, & Founder of the American Institute of MindBody Medicine. She is a conscious physician who shares MindBody Medicine for resolving fatigue, pain, anxiety, autoimmue illness, and more. 

Visit Kim here https://drkimd.com/ 

Dr Kim's podcast Mind Body TV is here https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mindbody-tv-podcast-with-dr-kim-deramo/id1382800189?mt=2 

In this episode, Tapas Fleming, a pioneer in the energy psychology field, shares her journey of developing the Tapas Acupressure Technique (TAT). She was inspired to create a simpler, faster, and cheaper way to help her clients overcome allergies. Through her exploration, she discovered specific acupuncture points that, when touched, improved the effectiveness of her treatments. This led her to develop the TAT pose, which involves touching specific points on the face and head. TAT is a powerful tool for healing emotional trauma and updating outdated beliefs and emotions. It can also be used to address intergenerational trauma.

For show notes, transcripts and more visit the podcast page here

https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/Tapas-Fleming

About Tapas Fleming

After facilitating personal growth for many years, Tapas Fleming became interested in physical and energetic healing. She became a Licensed Acupuncturist and began her practice in 1987, specializing in the treatment of allergies.

Searching for a simple, effective treatment, Tapas developed TAT in 1993. She soon realized that in addition to relieving her patients' allergic reactions, TAT was clearing the effects of their past stressful or traumatic experiences in an easy, gentle way. Now one of the most celebrated leaders in energy psychology, Tapas has taught TAT to hundreds of thousands of enthusiastic people worldwide.

The TAT Story -  https://tatlife.com/what-is-tat/the-tat-story-by-tapas-fleming/

Website:  https://tatlife.com

Facebook:  https://www.facebook.com/tatlifehome

YouTube:  https://www.youtube.com/user/TATLifeVideos

Tiktok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@tatlife_

Welcome to The 4th Wave in Therapy, the podcast exploring the latest breakthroughs in mental health care! Join us as we dive into cutting-edge advancements, from emerging technologies to innovative approaches reshaping how we heal and grow. Each episode features expert insights from clinicians and innovators, offering you a unique look at the future of therapy. Whether you're a professional or someone navigating mental well-being, this is your go-to for the next wave of mental health care. Get ready to be inspired and empowered!

In this conversation, Peta Stapleton and Dr. Bob Schwartz discuss the concept of the fourth wave in therapy and the role of energy psychology. They explore the importance of integrating the body into therapy and the connection between energy psychology and polyvagal theory. They also discuss the challenges of acceptance in the traditional field of therapy and the need for more research and understanding. Their vision for the future includes the widespread use of energy psychology for self-regulation and the treatment of adverse childhood events.

For show notes, transcripts and more visit the podcast page here 

https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/Dr-Bob-Schwarz

Robert Schwarz, PsyD, DCEP has been a licensed psychologist for over 35 years. Since 2008, Bob has been the executive director of the Association for Comprehensive Energy Psychology (www.energypsych.org).  Dr. Schwarz has organized over 30 conferences on Ericksonian hypnosis, brief therapy, trauma treatment, and energy psychology training over 18,000 therapists. He organized ACEP’s Science of energy healing online programs attended by over 5000 people.  He co-developed ACEP’s online EFT training program.  Dr. Schwarz has been a leading force for integrating EFT/EP with trauma informed treatment, interpersonal neurobiology and polyvagal theory.  

He has authored 3 books: Tools for Transforming Trauma (2002) and PTSD: A clinician’s Guide (1991) and We’re No Fun Anymore: Guiding Couples to a Joy Filled Marriage Through the Power of Play (2011), as well as numerous articles and papers, including Energy Psychology as a Polyvagal Intervention for Trauma (2018).  

Bob presents workshops and keynotes internationally on EFT and energy psychology, trauma treatment, panic and anxiety. He is known for his ability to provide specific clinical skills within an integrative model. Participants consistently comment that his workshops are engaging and entertaining, full of humor as well as deeply moving demonstrations.    

He attempts to balance his life with his passion for songwriting singing and playing guitar.  His music can be found on his band’s website Liftstreetmusic.com  and his studio album can be found on any streaming service (Lookup Lift Street).  

This interview was a dream come true. Imagine chatting to Dr Joe Vitale!

In this enlightening conversation, Dr. Joe Vitale shares insights into Ho'oponopono, a Hawaiian healing technique that emphasizes personal responsibility and inner transformation. He explains the significance of the four key phrases used in this practice and recounts his journey to discover Ho'oponopono through Dr. Hew Len. The discussion also explores the applications of Ho'oponopono in various aspects of life, including relationships and personal challenges, and introduces Dr. Vitale's latest work, 'Zero Limits Living,' which synthesizes his teachings on mindset, movement, and mysticism.

For show notes, transcripts and more visit the podcast episode page here 

https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/Dr-Joe-Vitale

 About Dr Joe Vitale

Dr. Joe Vitale is a world renowned Personal Development expert and star of the blockbuster hit movie on the Law of Attraction, The Secret. Author over over 75 books on a wide range of development topics, he's helped thousands at his live events and millions through the internet, his books and educational programs. Dr. Vitale has developed The New Awakening with love and all of the skills and knowledge he's gained in over 35 years of helping people create the lives they desire and deserve.

Follow and visit Joe Vitale 

https://www.instagram.com/drjoevitale/?hl=en

https://www.facebook.com/drjoevitale/

Books are here https://www.mrfire.com/shop/ 

Website is https://www.mrfire.com/ 

Mary Sise discusses the integration of spirituality in therapy and the importance of addressing trauma before introducing spiritual concepts. She explains the process of soul weaving, which involves bringing the client's present self back to their younger self to heal and integrate fragmented aspects. This process allows clients to develop a loving relationship with themselves and access suppressed emotions. Sise emphasizes the significance of working with a trained practitioner when dealing with trauma and chronic health issues. 

Show notes, transcripts and more are on the podcast page here 

https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/Mary-Sise 

About Mary Sise

For over two decades, Mary Sise has been a leading voice in advancing the field of energy psychology.

In addition to being traditionally trained as a Licensed Clinical Social Worker, she has earned her Diplomate in Comprehensive Energy Psychology. As coach and mentor, Mary integrates energy techniques into her practice and has trained hundreds of clinicians in these methods. 

Mary has pioneered methodologies and techniques including The Soul Weaving Process. She has also advocated for expanded clinical understanding of the integral interrelationship of the mind, body, and spirit in the healing paradigm. She presents at conferences and develops training and course work especially in the areas of releasing negative beliefs, healing trauma and dissociation, and the role and responsibilities of the practitioner.

In 2007, Mary co-authored the book, The Energy of Belief: Psychology’s Power Tools to Focus Intention & Release Blocking Beliefs, which teaches individuals how to transform the beliefs that are holding them back. This popular self-help book initially focused on the energy psychology method of touch and breath (TAB) to transform beliefs. In 2022, the book was updated to include EFT/Tapping and re-released as The Energy of Belief: Simple, Proven Techniques to Release Limiting Beliefs & Transform Your Life. It quickly became an Amazon Best Selling Book.

In 2020, Mary wrote the Amazon Kindle bestseller, Tapping the Panic Out of Pandemic, a no-nonsense guide for navigating uncertain times.

Mary has also served as President of the Association for Comprehensive Energy Psychology, the international professional organization dedicated to energy psychology training, research and humanitarian work.

Visit Mary here https://marysise.com/ 

Naomi Janzen shares her personal journey of discovering EFT and how it transformed her life. She initially dismissed tapping as ridiculous but later turned to it during a period of severe depression. After just a week of tapping for two hours a day, she experienced a profound shift and a sense of joy and lightness. Naomi emphasizes the importance of addressing deep issues in the body that talk therapy alone could not reach. She also highlights the individual nature of healing and the need for self-tapping to reinforce the work done in sessions. Naomi's story serves as an inspiration for others seeking healing through EFT.

Naomi Janzen is an Accredited Expert Clinical EFT Practitioner for Evidence Based EFT and Master Trainer for EFT International, as well as the writer and co-producer of the documentary The Science of Tapping and the creator of the Clarity Tapping method and author of forthcoming books Tapping Out of Depression (Even When You Barely Care Enough to Try) and Clarity Tapping - A New Way Backward. She is the creator of the Remindfulness app, named a Top 10 Mindfulness App by Positive Psychology and from 2014 to 2019 she co-hosted One Mind Live, a weekly live online worldwide meditation broadcast - now an Apple podcast. A screenwriter for over 25 years before becoming an EFT practitioner, she uses her storyteller’s sensibility to convey the principles of her twin passions, EFT and mindfulness, to her clients, trainees and as she puts it “anyone who will listen.”

Show notes and transcripts are on the podcast page here 

https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/Naomi-Janzen 

Visit Naomi and her work here https://www.naomijanzen.net/ 

Train in EFT with Naomi here https://www.ozfreedomtechniques.com/ 

Dr Megan Lee is an assistant professor of psychology at Bond University and the secretary of the International Society of Nutritional Psychiatry Research. Dr Lee has published articles on dietary patterns and depression, intuitive eating, and the role of nutrition in mental health.

To make contact about the therapist study Megan mentioned at the end, Email: melee@bond.edu.au

Website: www.foodmooddoctor.org

X, Facebook, & Instagram: @foodmooddoctor

We discussed the BlueZones: Five geographical locations where people live exceptionally long and high-quality lives and have the highest population fo centinarians. People who live in the Blue Zones eat a predominantly plant-based diet, have more physically active lives and experience greater social connection to other locations in the world. They are Icaria (Greece), Sardinia (Italy), Okinawa (Japan). Loma Linda (USA), Nicoya Peninsula (Cost Rica).

The papers we discuss, show notes and resources are on the podcast page to explore - https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/Dr-Megan-Lee 

Peta and Dr Phil have the most extraordinary conversation here. They actually share about how Phil trained under the Cognitive Behavioural Therapy giants and greats, when CBT was just emerged and considered quackery and ridiculous. Phil shares that he has seen many therapies be rejected and then embraced - this was a refreshing conversation! It also gave me great hope in the 4th wave approaches. Part of what has driven Phil all these years, is searching for the tools that would help his clients - he found the 4th wave approaches well before we did!

Phil has contributed so much in the area of developing psychological measures and therapy tools (links below) - he is truly a giant in the psychology field. 

Note: about 3 months after this interviewed was recorded, I (Peta) received news that Phil had passed. He was still seeing clients from his nursing home and positively impacting the lives of those he touched. I was quietly devastated but eternally grateful I was able to have this conversation and record Phil's journey through the decades. 

About Dr Phillip Friedman

Philip H. Friedman, PhD, was a licensed psychologist and Director of the Foundation for Well-Being, in Lansdale, Pennsylvania. He is the author of “The Forgiveness Solution” and “Creating Well Being” in addition to the Friedman Assessment Scales on Well-Being, Beliefs, Quality of Life, Affect, Life Balance, Spiritual Awakening and the Mini-5 Factor Personality Scale. Dr. Friedman has published many articles in professional journals. He is also the developer of the ICBEST model of psychotherapy and strongly influenced by the spiritual disciplines of A Course in Miracles and Siddha Yoga.

Dr. Friedman was an adjunct professor on the faculty of Sophia Univ. (formerly the Institute of Transpersonal Psychology). He is the founder of Integrative Forgiveness Psychotherapy (IFP), the Positive Pressure Point Techniques (PPPT), the Practice Based Evidence Approach (PBEA) and the Digital Assessment and Tracking Approach (DATA) to assessment and change. Dr. Friedman is trained in EFT, ART, CBT, GIT, EMDR, HYPNOSIS and many other techniques.

His websites are:

https://www.wikiphilipfriedman.com

https://www.friedmanscales.com/