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There's an entire industry devoted to making better leaders. There is almost nothing devoted to the people they're leading - which is strange, because that's where most of the work happens.

This episode is about followership: the underdeveloped half of the leadership equation, and arguably the half that decides whether anything actually gets done. Host Michael Morand sits down with Jyoti Chopra, Executive Vice President and Chief Human Resources Officer at Hertz, where she's responsible for more than 25,000 team members across 11,000+ customer-facing locations. Before Hertz, Jyoti held senior roles at MGM Resorts, Bank of New York, Pearson, Deloitte, and Merrill Lynch - a career spanning Wall Street, hospitality, and mobility, and a rare vantage point on what actually travels about how teams work.

Across the conversation, Jyoti reframes followership as something active rather than passive: the discipline of choosing who to follow, seeking feedback before it's offered, and holding a team together when the manager doesn't have the answer. She makes the case for the most overlooked layer in most organizations.

The teams that hold up under pressure usually aren't the ones with the strongest leader in the room. They're the ones who know how to follow well. This episode is about how that actually works.

We keep looking for leadership at the front of the room. Most of it's happening three seats over, in a nod.

We treat leadership like a person - a title, a corner office, a slightly better chair. This episode argues we've been pointing at the wrong thing. I read two articles back to back: "Reframing Leadership: A New Toolkit," on what leadership actually is once you stop mistaking it for a job description, and "Micro-Behaviors: Leadership No One Sees," on where it actually happens - which turns out to be the boring Tuesday standup, not the stage. Less corner office, more catalyst. It costs nothing, and it might change everything.

The hero gets the documentary. The team does the actual work.

For a century we've told the same leadership story: one visionary, one will, everyone else as set dressing. In Episode 4, I read two articles - "Rethinking Leadership: From Stars to Constellations" and "Followership: Leadership's Apology Tour" - that take the lone star down out of the sky and go find everyone who was standing in its shadow. Because leadership isn't a person. It's a pattern a whole team performs, including the quiet majority no org chart would ever point you to.

The story of innovation almost always comes with a single name attached - the founder, the inventor, the visionary. Steve Weinstein has spent 30 years showing that's not how it actually works.

"No great idea ever makes it to market... It's great execution that does." In this episode of Team Chemistry, Steve makes the case that innovation is a team sport - a relay race where the idea is only the first leg, and the breakthrough usually lives between functions rather than inside any one of them.

Steve walks host Michael Morand through a deceptively simple product - an individually wrapped beauty wipe - that took two years, a European supplier, and an $8 million bet to reach the shelf. Along the way: why two-thirds of new products vanish within three years, what genuine dissent contributes to a team's best decisions, why "supplier-enabled innovation" beats squeezing suppliers on cost, and the line that reframes the whole conversation - the chef on the Titanic was excellent, but it didn't save the ship.

ABOUT THE GUEST Steve Weinstein has led supply chain and marketing teams at large consumer products companies for more than three decades - most of that at Johnson & Johnson, where he ran global supply chain for the Baby and Beauty franchises and led supply chain for Zarbee's Naturals, the company's fastest-growing division. Before that, he held two roles that shaped how he thinks about innovation: Director of New Venture & Innovation Sourcing and Director of Global Innovation Sourcing. Today he's the CEO at BeeCure, leading efforts to bring a new standard of wound care to market.

IN THIS EPISODE

• Why great execution, not great ideas, is what reaches the market
• The two-year, $8M story behind one individually wrapped wipe
• Why innovation lives between teams, not inside R&D
• What dissent actually contributes to a team's best decisions
• "Together we're more" - a different way to think about suppliers and partners

Team Chemistry explores the real science behind how teams work - not the motivational-poster version, but what actually happens when you put people together and ask them to do something hard.

You were taught to read a balance sheet. Nobody taught you to read a room.

The most important skill at work is the one no class ever covered: how teams actually function. In Episode 2, I'm sharing two articles written a year apart – "Team Dynamics: The Missing Class" and "Team Science: Connections Over Components" – that expose the same blind spot. The first names the gap. The second delivers the harder news: your team probably isn't underperforming. Your understanding of it is. Because chemistry was never about the elements alone – it's about what happens when they bond.

Who you are on a team isn't fixed. The same person can be boldly creative on one team and cautiously analytical on the next, outspoken in one room and silent in the next – not because they changed, but because the team did.

In the inaugural episode of Team Chemistry, host Michael Morand sits down with Cory Stern – VP and Global Head of HR for Med Tech Functions at Johnson & Johnson, founding advisor at TroopHR, and a coach who has spent more than two decades developing people across some of J&J's most complex businesses. A conversation about identity as something teams activate, environment as the real variable, and what most organizations still get backwards about helping people grow.