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A jam packed episode of guests means a slightly longer Talos Takes for your feed today! We welcome Amy Chang and Omar Santos from Cisco, Vitor Ventura from Talos, and Ryan Fetterman from Splunk. Together, we discuss how AI isn't rewriting the cybercrime playbook, but it is turbo charging some of the old tricks, particularly on the social engineering side. We also touch on threat actor-built LLMs and where things may be headed. We then talk about how defensive strategies can leverage AI, particularly in the SOC, to increase visibility and make determinations a lot quicker. 

Resources mentioned in the episode:

Talos' 2024 Year in Review

Cisco's State of AI Security report

Defending at machine speed, by Splunk

Steven Leung from Cisco Duo joins Hazel to discuss the prevalence of identity-based attacks, why they're happening, and the various methods attackers are using to circumvent MFA (Multi-Factor Authentication), based on data in Talos' 2024 Year in Review. 

Topics we touch on include phishing, push spray attacks, and Adversary-in-the Middle campaigns, and throughout the episode Steven provides best practice recommendations for implementing MFA at scale, without increasing user friction.

For more resources, check out the Duo blog, and Talos' 2024 Year in Review.

Azim Khodjibaev and Lexi DiScola join Hazel to discuss some of the most prolific ransomware groups (and why LockBit may end this year very differently to how they ended 2024). They also discuss the dominant techniques of ransomware actors, where low-profile tactics led to high-impact consequences.

For the full analysis, download Talos' 2024 Year in Review at https://blog.talosintelligence.com/2024yearinreview/

Talos researchers Martin Lee and Thorsten Rosendahl join Hazel for the first of our dedicated episodes on the top findings from Talos' 2024 Year in Review. We discuss the vulnerabilities that attackers most targeted, how this compares with CISA's list, and how to protect network devices. Given how email lures are evolving, we spend some time chatting about how the current world news cycle may play into adversary's campaign cycles. And finally we touch on how to spot signs that your own sysadmin tools may be being used against you. 

For the full report, head to https://blog.talosintelligence.com/2024yearinreview/

Have you ever wondered what it takes to put on a major event like a World Cup or the Olympics, and all the cybersecurity and threat intelligence that needs to be done beforehand? Today’s episode is all about that. Hazel is joined by one of our global Cisco Talos Incident Response leaders, Yuri Kramarz, who has helped some of the biggest events around the world take place securely.

We chat about risk factors, focus areas such as endpoint protection, threat hunting and incident response, and what to do in the hours and minutes leading up to the event.

Check out the document we mention - a full blueprint on how to protect major events:

https://blog.talosintelligence.com/protecting-major-events-blueprint-october-2024-update/

In this episode Hazel chats with Omid Mirzaei, a security research lead in the email threat research team at Cisco Talos. 

Omid and several Talos teammates recently released a blog on hidden text salting (or poisoning) within emails and how attackers are increasingly using this technique to evade detection, confuse email scanners, and essentially try and get phishing emails to land in people’s inboxes. 

Hidden text salting is a simple yet effective technique for bypassing email parsers, confusing spam filters, and evading detection engines that rely on keywords. The idea is to include some characters into the HTML source of an email that are not visually recognizable.

For more, head to the Talos blog 

It's an European takeover this week, as Hazel sits down with Talos EMEA threat researchers Martin Lee and Thorsten Rosendahl. They're heading to Cisco Live EMEA next week (February 9-14) to deliver a four hour session on how to establish a threat intelligence program. If you can't make it - here's a 15 minute version! Thorsten and Martin provide best practices for threat intelligence, the different flavors of it (tactical, operational, and strategic), and the significance of curiosity and learning from failures.

If you haven't already, check out Martin's introductory course to threat intelligence in collaboration with Cisco’s Networking Academy. This course is free for all, and is intended to give an overview of the domain for someone without prior knowledge which can be used as a starting point for further study or employment.

Joe Marshall and Craig Jackson join Hazel to discuss the biggest takeaways from Cisco Talos Incident Response's latest Quarterly Trends report. This time the spotlight is on web shells and targeted web applications – both have seen large increases. There’s a brand new ransomware actor on the scene – we’ll talk about the new Interlock ransomware and how we’ve seen this group show up this quarter. Plus, Talos IR observed threat actors using remote tooling in 100% of ransomware incidents this quarter – that’s a significant uptick. For the full report head to blog.talosintelligence.com/talos-ir-trends-q4-2024/

Hazel sits down with Vanja Svajcer from Talos' threat research team. Vanja is a prolific malware hunter and this time he's here to talk about vulnerable Windows drivers. We've been covering these drivers quite a bit on the Talos blog over the last year, and during our research we investigated classes of vulnerabilities typically exploited by threat actors as well as the payloads they typically deploy post-exploitation. The attacks in which attackers are deliberately installing known vulnerable drivers only to later exploit them is a technique referred to as Bring Your Own Vulnerable Driver (BYOVD). 

If you're curious about this topic and the recommendations our team has to help you address vulnerable drivers in your environment, then this episode is for you. 

The full research can be found at https://blog.talosintelligence.com/exploring-vulnerable-windows-drivers/

Ransomware is 35 years old this month, which isn't exactly something to celebrate. But in any case, do join Hazel and special guest Martin Lee to discuss what happened in the very first ransomware incident in December 1989 and why IT "wasn't ready". 

They then discuss how ransomware evolved to become the criminal entity it is today, which involves looking back on the likes of SamSam, Maze and the emergence of crypto currencies. Plus, learn why Martin says we shouldn't feel powerless in the face of ransomware.

Chetan Raghuprasad is our guest today as he breaks down the relatively new Interlock ransomware attack. Cisco Talos Incident Response recently observed this attacker conducting big-game hunting and double extortion attacks. 

Chetan talks about the initial access tactics, deployment of the ransomware encryptor, and how Interlock communicates with its victims using their “Worldwide Secrets Blog”.

For the full analysis, head to https://blog.talosintelligence.com/emerging-interlock-ransomware/

What happens when two sets of threat researchers from Talos and Splunk's SURGe team meet? Aside from some highly controversial opinions and omissions about the best horror movie, the team discuss what security trends are FUD, and what's actually fearful/ most challenging at the moment. Also, what is the security industry not aware of enough, and also too aware of? Plus some thoughts on cybersecurity awareness training and how we can do better.

This is a great conversation facilitated by SURGe's Mick Baccio, with Joe Marshall and Nick Biasini from Talos, and Tamara Chacon and Audra Streetman from SURGe.

Catch up on all the latest and greatest threat research from our friends at SURGe at https://www.splunk.com/en_us/surge.html

The Talos IR Quarterly Trends Q3 2024 is out now! In this episode Hazel Burton, Craig Jackson and Bill Largent discuss three big themes: some new ransomware players, the 'Bring Your Own Vulnerable Driver' trend, and why password spray attacks are making a comeback. 

Check out the full report at https://blog.talosintelligence.com/incident-response-trends-q3-2024/

Hazel Burton steps in as guest host this week to talk to Brad Garnett, the head of Cisco Talos Incident Response, and JK Lialias, the head of cybersecurity product marketing for Splunk. Brad and JK share two exciting in which Talos is being incorporated into Splunk now, and what that means for the ways we can keep users more secure. They also talk about what better visibility into attacker trends means for the end user and defenders.

James Nutland from Talos' Threat Intelligence team joins the show this week to talk to Jon about his report on the BlackByte ransomware group. They cover why this group is actually more active than we initially thought, and check on the general state of ransomware at this point in 2024. 

It's quite the gang for Talos Takes this week with Joe Marshall, Nick Biasini and Mick Baccio (from Splunk's SURGe team) joining Jon this week to recap Black Hat and DEF CON. They share all the conversations and talking points they heard around AI, and the renewed importance of a software bill of goods for industrial control system environments. 

He's been here since the beginning, and now he's ready to reflect on the past 10 years of Cisco Talos. Matt Watchinski, the Vice President of Talos for Cisco, joins Jon this week to talk about Talos' recently celebrated 10th birthday and talk about the company's origins, how we've managed to balance growth and culture, and his favorite memories from the past 10 years. 

People who maintain, create and update open-source software are the unsung heroes of the internet. Their work keeps much of our networks running on a daily basis, and the vast majority of them do it for free! While there are some security pitfalls that can come with using OS software, Martin Lee and Jon get together to discuss what (if anything) we can be doing to better support OS software, and how to make our networks more resilient against vulnerabilities that can arise in these tools.  

Hazel Burton guest hosts this week to recap the top threats observed by Cisco Talos Incident Response (Talos IR) in the second quarter of 2024. She’s then joined by Talos’ Joe Marshall and Craig Jackson to pick out some of the most interesting stories from the report.

Joe Marshall, Talos' resident ICS and IoT expert, and Pierre Cadieux from Talos Incident Response join Jon this week to discuss data breaches. Between Snowflake, AT&T, Ticketmaster and more, we should probably assume our data has been part of a leak somewhere. So what steps should you take to prepare for this inevitability? Or what should you do when you get a data breach notification from a company?

Fresh off an analysis of the 14 most active ransomware groups, James Nutland joins Jon this week to discuss his findings. They talk about the most common TTPs shared among these groups, and the potential outliers among these gangs and how they try to infect victims. For more on this topic, watch the inaugural episode of "The Talos Threat Perspective." 

Over 160 companies have been affected by a data breach at data storage company Snowflake, including Ticketmaster, Nieman Marcus and more. But the issue wasn't a security vulnerability or some sophisticated malware — it was just someone who exposed their login credentials at a different company. Host Jon Munshaw got Pierre Cadieux from Talos IR and Nick Biasini from Talos Outreach to discuss the follow-on breaches that have resulted from this and the lessons we can learn about making our login credentials more secure. 

You may think a DDoS attack is so early aughts. But some of the largest attacks of this type have occurred in just the past few years. Talos recently updated our advice for how to best mitigate and prepare for this threat, so Aliza Johnson from Talos' Threat Intelligence & Interdiction team joins the show this week to discuss her recent findings and hacktivists' trends around using this threat. 

Anna Bennett, one of Talos' threat hunters, joins the show this week to talk about one of her recent findings — the LilacSquid APT. This is a newly discovered threat actor that Talos found hiding on networks for months and years at a time, silently stealing sensitive information the entire time. Anna discusses LilacSquid's activities, potential motivations, and how they overlap with North Korean APTs. 

The Volt Typhoon threat actor is one of the longest-running cybersecurity storylines this year. The Chinese state-sponsored actor has already been accused of a range of attacks, specifically targeting critical infrastructure and U.S. military bases. Since it's been a few months without any new developments with this group, we thought it'd be a good idea to check in with Talos' Threat Intelligence and Interdiction team on what's going on with this actor, and if they're up to anything new. 

Inspired by his quotes in a recent CNBC article, Jon Munshaw wanted to have Martin Lee on the show this week to discuss AI and how adversaries can use these tools to create deepfakes and disinformation. Martin shares why he thinks the threats of increasing fake news with the advent of AI tools are a bit overblown, and how the dangers in spreading fake news come more from text-based posts than any deepfake video or audio. If you'd like to learn more about how to detect potential deepfake videos or fake news articles, check out the additional resources here and here.

Nicole Hoffman, fresh off her trip to the RSA Conference, joins host Jon Munshaw this week to talk about her major takeaways from the week in San Francisco. Nicole talks about how most of the discussions on the floor centered around AI, and what lessons other defenders are learning from some of our past mistakes. If you'd like to check out Nicole's other work, buy her children's cybersecurity books on Amazon. 

Joey Chen from Talos' Outreach team is here to tell us all about his research into the CoralRaider threat actor. He's helped write two posts on the recently discovered APT, disclosing new information about how this Vietnamese-based actor is targeting login credentials. After stealing those credentials, they go on to try and sell them on the dark web, or use them to try and brute force their way into more important accounts. Joey discusses what this actor is really after, and why they've been growing so quickly. 

Hazel Burton steps in to host this week's episode as we cover the recent Cisco Talos Incident Response Quarterly Trends Report from the first quarter of this year. Hazel talks to different Talosians to find out why business email compromise is on the rise, how attackers are bypassing MFA, and more. 

After a recent spike in brute force attempts targeting SSH and VPN services, we felt it was a good time to give listeners a lesson on brute force attacks. Nick Biasini joins host Jon Munshaw this week to discuss the basics of these methods, how administrators can protect their accounts, and other potential defense mechanisms (or whether to just take passwords out of the equation entirely). 

Apple now must allow users to be able to sideload apps onto their phones or access third-party app stores, thanks to a law from the European Union that went into effect earlier this year. Terryn Valikodath from Cisco Talos Incident Response joins Jon this week to discuss the potential dangers that come with allowing users to sideload apps onto their devices, and how attackers may take advantage of this new opening. 

Hazel Burton and Thorsten Rosendahl join Jon Munshaw on this week's episode to discuss the problem with threat actor "hydras." They recently wrote about the topic for the Talos blog, highlighting how law enforcement takedowns of these groups are closer to just disruptions or setbacks for these massive actors. They talk about what really needs to be done to stop ransomware actors and why RaaS is a breeding ground for "hydras."

Holger Unterbrink of Talos Outreach joins the show this week to discuss his recent Turla APT research. This Russian state-sponsored actor has been around for years but is regularly adding new tooling to its arsenal. Holger has new details about their latest tool, TinyTurlaNG, and insight into the types of organizations they're targeting.

Jon started noticing that Talos is finding more threat actors using Telegram nowadays for their communication and coordination, so he decided to bring Azim Khodjibaev on to ask him if he was just inventing this, or if it was a real trend. Turns out it's a real trend! Azim fills listeners in on why Telegram is becoming the app of choice for APTs to publish "news," threaten data leaks, and more. 

Nick Biasini joins Jon this week to talk about passive security. He recently wrote about this topic for the Talos blog and joined Wendy Nather in discussing the merits of passive security versus active blocking. Nick defines what passive security is, exactly, and why it's not the way to go in the modern age. 

Chetan Raghuprasad from the Talos Outreach team joins Talos Takes this week to talk to Jon about the GhostSec threat actor that he and a few colleagues wrote about for the Talos blog. GhostSec has teamed up with another ransomware group to carry out double extortion attacks all over the globe, with increasing frequency over the past year. They discuss what's unique about this particular RaaS model, where GhostSec came from, and the benefits of going in on a team-up. 

Now more than ever, adversaries are logging in, not breaking in. They're stealing legitimate user credentials to hide undetected on a targeted network after acquiring said credentials in a variety of ways. Hazel Burton joins Jon Munshaw this week to discuss identity attacks, recommendations for avoiding them, and how QR code phishing plays into these tactics. 

Gergana Karadzhova-Dangela and Thorsten Rosendahl, our resident experts on all things European Union cybersecurity law, join the show this week to talk about the impending NIS2 regulations. Don't worry, you've still got plenty of time to work on them, but this is a good place to get started even if you've never seen the phrase "NIS2" before. Find more of their writing on NIS2 here and here. 

Reposted from the Cisco Security Stories feed: Meet Jeremy Maxwell, CISO of Veradigm, a healthcare IT company. Jeremy discusses how his organization proactively prepares for cybersecurity incidents within a highly regulated industry.

Chris Neal from Talos Outreach joins the show today to talk about his research into the ways adversaries are using malicious drivers on Windows to spread malware. He recently launched a new series on the Talos blog about the basics of drivers and how security researchers can reverse engineer them to learn more about attacker TTPs and develop new detection content. Chris discusses when he first spotted this type of attack, what advantages it presents for the attacker and the other aspects of the research he plans to dive into.

This week, we're bringing you the audio version of our recent Talos IR On Air video. Several Talos incident responders got together to recap the top threats and attacker trends of Q4 2023, as outlined in our full Quarterly Trends Report. Hear about why ransomware was up for the first time the entire year, and which sectors were being targeted most often. 

We're talking about vulnerabilities this week with Jerry Gamblin from Cisco Vulnerability Management. Jerry joins the show to talk about the release of CVSS 4.0 this year — the newest method the security community will use to score the severity of certain vulnerabilities. Jerry discusses what makes this scoring system different from previous iterations if it changes how he views the term "severe" and how that fits into Cisco's overall vulnerability management processes. 

In this special edition of the show, we're bringing you the audio version of our Year in Review livestream. Recorded at the end of December, this stream included Hazel Burton, Nick Biasini and Laurie Varner from Cisco Talos Incident Response recapping the year that was in cybersecurity. They covered the highlights of our 2023 Year in Review report, their personal takeaways from the past year, and trends to watch for heading into the new year.

We're back from holiday break with the first new Talos Takes episode of 2024! We're continuing our dive into Talos' Year in Review report with Lexi DiSchola, one of the many researchers who helped put this report together. She discusses why we believe the telecommunications sector was the most-targeted industry in 2023, advice for companies in that space, and other popular targets for attackers. 

Jon apologizes for how he sounds in this episode, he was having mic troubles we discovered only during post-production. But outside of that, we continue the series of episodes recapping 2023 with our Year in Review report. This week, Aliza Johnson from the Talos Threat Intelligence & Interdiction team comes on the show to talk about data theft extortion. She shares why her team saw such a spike in this type of activity in 2023, what can be done to stop it, and which ransomware actors are pivoting to this tactic. 

To celebrate the launch of our 2023 Year in Review report, we're doing a series of episodes highlighting several of our key takeaways from the past year. First up, we have David Liebenberg from our Threat Intelligence team to discuss Chinese state-sponsored actors. This is an area David's been studying for many years now and actively researches. He'll discuss the latest Chinese APTs to step onto the scene and trends he's seeing from that area of the world. 

Joe Marshall, a central figure in the story of how Cisco Talos and other teams within Cisco worked together to protect the Ukrainian power grid, joins the show this week. He recaps a recent CNN story highlighting the new piece of equipment he and a group of volunteers worked on together to ensure the clocks that power the Ukrainian electric grid can withstand GPS disruption in the face of Russian cyber attacks and kinetic warfare. 

Guilherme Venere from Talos Outreach joins the show this week to talk about his research into the 8Base threat actor and its use of a variant of the Phobos ransomware. He recently published several works on the many variants of Phobos that exist in the wild, and why 8Base has been so successful using it for years now. 

Tiago Pereira from Talos Outreach joins the program this week to talk about his research into the different types of scams that appear in the online game "Roblox." Many underage users are at risk of being targeted by malicious users looking to steal their money, in-game items or even install malware on their devices. 

This week is a special edition of Talos Takes. We have the audio version of Talos Incident Response's recent On Air stream, where they discussed the top attacker trends they're seeing in the field. Talos' incident responders discuss the malware they're seeing most often in infections, how attackers are shifting their tactics, and what other defenders can learn from these findings.