Speaking of Alternatives is an original podcast from PGIM, providing a global perspective on the rich and diverse landscape of alternative investments. Each month, leading experts cut through the complexities and get to the heart of alternative investing. Together they look beyond the headlines and scrutinise the latest trends and strategies driving this important asset class.
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…Let’s Talk Alternatives in Global Wealth with Stuart Parker and Dominick Carlino
Tuesday, September 16, 2025 • Duration 26:11
Laurie Chan is joined by Stuart Parker, Head of Global Wealth at PGIM, and Dominick Carlino, Global Head of Alternative Investments for Global Wealth at PGIM. Together, they explore the intersection of private wealth and alternative investments, offering perspectives on the ways investors are broadening portfolios beyond traditional markets. Their discussion covers the trends driving growth, the importance of education, and how innovation is reshaping access.
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Key Takeaways:
• Private Wealth Is Driving the Next Wave of Growth in Alternatives – [05:00]
• Democratisation of Private Markets Is Expanding Access – [09:00]
• Education Is a Key Enabler for Integrating Alternatives into Portfolios – [08:00]
• Product Innovation and Evergreen Structures Are Reshaping the Landscape – [14:00]
*The views expressed are those of the speakers at the time of recording and may not reflect current opinions. This content is not investment advice.*
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Shareables:
“The ability to offer high-net-worth clients the liquidity and transparency of alternatives is exactly where asset managers are going.” — Stuart Parker, Head of Global Wealth at PGIM
“Alternatives are surging powered by product innovation, supportive policy and investor appetite." — Dominick Carlino, Global Head of Alternative Investments for Wealth at PGIM
“Education is key. We’ve moved from ‘what are alternatives’ to ‘how do I incorporate them into a portfolio?” — Dominick Carlino, Global Head of Alternative Investments for Wealth at PGIM
“The convergence of public and private markets is creating a continuum of opportunities for investors to access value across liquidity profiles.” — Dominick Carlino, Global Head of Alternative Investments for Wealth at PGIM
…Let’s Talk Defined Contribution with Josh Cohen, Managing Director of PGIM’s DC Solutions
Wednesday, August 20, 2025 • Duration 27:01
Josh Cohen, Managing Director of PGIM’s DC Solutions team, offers insights into the rapidly evolving defined contribution landscape and how alternatives may play an increasingly important role in this space.
Keshav and Josh discuss the compelling arguments for integrating alternative assets into DC plans. As global policymakers evaluate the role of alternative investments in customised solutions, they consider the challenges that must be addressed.
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Key Takeaways:
● Preserving Financial Futures in DC. [3:01]
● Policy Initiatives & Alternative Investments in DC. [7:53]
● DC Headwinds Include Operational Complexities & an Environment of Litigation. [11:37]
● Alternative Allocations in Defined Contributions. [18:53]
● Summing Up: Key Takeaways. [23:56]
*The views expressed herein are those of the speaker at the time the comments were made and may not be reflective of their current opinions and are subject to change without notice, and should not be considered investment advice.
…Let’s Talk Global REIT Securities with Rick Romano, Head of PGIM Global Real Estate Securities
Tuesday, July 15, 2025 • Duration 25:15
…Let’s Talk Global REIT Securities with Rick Romano, Head of PGIM Global Real Estate Securities
Rick Romano, Head of PGIM Global Real Estate Investment Trust Securities, offers insights about the multifaceted nature of hybrid real estate securities and the potential benefits of REITS in investment portfolios.
Keshav and Rick highlight how global real estate securities can offer a compelling value proposition for investors. This diverse investment vehicle provides a low barrier to entry into real estate, an asset class distinctly positioned at the convergence of public and private markets.
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Key Takeaways:
● The Global Real Estate Securities landscape. [3:16]
● Why now for REITS?. [5:03]
● Geographic Shift: Reallocation from the U.S. to Europe? [8:25]
● The Headwinds and Tailwinds of Global Real Estate Investments. [10:18]
● The Convergence of Public & Private Real Estate Markets. [18:19]
*The views expressed herein are those of the speaker at the time the comments were made and may not be reflective of their current opinions and are subject to change without notice, and should not be considered investment advice. This content should not be construed as investment advice or an offer to purchase or sell any security.
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…Let’s Talk Healthcare Equity Investing with Dan Matviyenko, Portfolio Manager with Jennison
Wednesday, June 18, 2025 • Duration 33:34
Dan Matviyenko, Healthcare Portfolio Manager at Jennison, offers insights and strategies on navigating the complex and dynamic landscape of healthcare equity investing.
Laurie Chan, PGIM’s U.S. Head of Alternative Solutions, and Daniel explore healthcare equity, focusing on macroeconomic forces, supply chain vulnerabilities due to trade tensions, the role of AI, and generating alpha from long and short positions.
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Key Takeaways:
● Healthcare Equity Investing offers a Spider Web of Opportunity. [3:04]
● The Role of Robotics and AI in Healthcare. [4:55]
● Trade tensions and Supply Chain Vulnerabilities. [8:16]
● Sizing Healthcare Sectors and Subsectors. [10:29]
● Alpha creation in Long and Short positions. [15:39]
● Three Key Insights for Healthcare Investors. [30:19]
*The views expressed herein are those of the speaker at the time the comments were made and may not be reflective of their current opinions and are subject to change without notice, and should not be considered investment advice.
...Let’s Talk Mexican Industrial Real Estate with Enrique Lavín, Head of PGIM Latin America
Tuesday, May 20, 2025 • Duration 16:54
Enrique Lavín provides critical insights into investing in Mexican industrial real estate by leveraging his market expertise and corporate finance/risk-opportunity background.
Laurie Chan, PGIM’s Head of Alternative Investments, speaks with Enrique about the resilience of the Mexican Industrial Real Estate sector amidst U.S. trade volatility, nearshoring dynamics, and broader macro investment trends.
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Key Takeaways:
● Trade tariff impact on the Industrial Mexican Real Estate Sector. [3:07]
● Significant Nearshoring Opportunities in Mexican Industrial Real Estate. [5:51]
● Tailwind Risk Assessment & Headwind Development Prospects. [7:39]
● Mexican Industrial Real Estate Recession Resilience. [10:22]
● Reactions to U.S. Trade Tariffs & Future Outlook. [12:22]
● Summary of Mexican Industrial Real Estate Investments. [13:57]
*The views expressed herein are those of the speaker at the time the comments were made and may not be reflective of their current opinions and are subject to change without notice, and should not be considered investment advice.
...Let’s Talk Reinsurance with Mike Thompson of Warburg Pincus & Nandini Mongia of Prismic Life
Tuesday, April 22, 2025 • Duration 24:10
Nandini Mongia is the Group Executive Chair and CEO of Prismic Life, and Mike Thompson is the Managing Director of Warburg Pincus and Head of Capital Solutions for Europe. Nandini has nearly three decades of financial and business experience supporting the insurance and reinsurance industry. Mike has 20 years of private investment experience.
Keshav, Nandini, and Mike discuss the fundamental role of reinsurance in managing risk, offering financial protection, and enabling growth within the insurance industry. Moving forward, global trends indicate a growing interest and allocation towards alternative investments and private investments.
Prismic Life Reinsurance, Ltd. is a global reinsurance platform in which Prudential Financial, Inc. (NYSE: PRU) (PFI) and Warburg Pincus are investors, as well as overseeing Prismic’s long-term strategy through participation on its board of directors.
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● Global Trends Point Towards Alternatives & Private Investments. [6:38]
● Prismic — A Strategic Reinsurance Partner. [8:56]
● Private Alternatives are Well-Suited for Insurance. [12:22]
...Let’s Talk Alternatives within Portfolio Construction with Alfred Lerman & Mao Dong
Tuesday, March 18, 2025 • Duration 23:15
Alfred Lerman is the Chief Investment Officer at PGIM Multi-Asset Solutions and Mao Dong is the Co-Head of Portfolio Management at PGIM Multi-Asset Solutions. Alfred is passionate about optimizing portfolios through a thoughtful balance of risk and return objectives. Mao’s strength is in customizing portfolios based on unique client objectives.
Keshav, Alfred, and Mao discuss the strategic integration of alternative investments in portfolio construction. Their analysis highlights the unique potential for portfolio customisation through the synergistic blend of private and public asset classes, coupled with robust risk mitigation strategies via meticulous underwriting and stringent covenants.
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Key Takeaways:
● Alternatives Role in Constructing Multi-Asset Portfolios. [4:14]
● Portfolio Construction Customisation with Alternatives. [9:06]
● Dynamic Private and Alternative Asset Opportunities. [11:48]
● Managing Insurance Private Capital and Associated Risks. [14:26]
● Critical Elements of a Strong Portfolio. [17:17]
*The views expressed herein are those of the speaker at the time the comments were made and may not be reflective of their current opinions and are subject to change without notice, and should not be considered investment advice.
...Let’s Talk Core Plus Real Estate Investing with Darin Bright
Thursday, February 20, 2025 • Duration 24:54
Darin Bright is the Head of Core Plus Strategies at PGIM Real Estate. Darin is passionate about real estate investing and cultivating strong relationships within the investment community.
Keshav and Darin examine the tangible aspects of real estate, including its durability, which make it an appealing and accessible component of a diversified portfolio. They discuss the opportunities new technologies and U.S. demographics bring to a diverse Core Plus Real Estate strategy.
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Key Takeaways:
● A New Cycle for Returns on Real Estate Investments. [2:25]
● Benefits of Core Plus Strategies in Real Estate. [4:08]
● Is the Office Sector Still an Attractive Investment Opportunity? [6:32]
● Real Estate-related Tailwinds that Promote Growth. [11:31]
● Opportunities of Deploying Capital in Senior Housing. [18:43]
● Three Main Takeaways About Core Plus Real Estate. [21:59]
*The views expressed herein are those of the speaker at the time the comments were made and may not be reflective of their current opinions and are subject to change without notice, and should not be considered investment advice.
...Let’s Talk Investing in Infrastructure with Bill Pappas
Wednesday, January 22, 2025 • Duration 27:17
Bill Pappas is the Managing Director and Head of Core Infrastructure and Structured Credit at PGIM Private Capital. As a veteran of structured credit and finance within the infrastructure industry, he shares a wealth of experience in this episode.
Keshav and Bill explore the nuanced infrastructure investment landscape through the lens of private capital and alternative investments. Their discussion covers the political and regulatory landscape, the impact of technology on energy infrastructure, and how structured solutions can enhance portfolio diversification within this complex but tangible asset class.
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Key Takeaways:
● Infrastructure Investing in 4 Global Megatrends. [3:28]
● Navigating the Political and Regulatory Risk of Infrastructure Investments. [5:49]
● Demand for Energy Drives Diverse Infrastructure Opportunities. [12:46]
● Infrastructure Investing is Nuanced and Complex. [17:29]
● Structured Credit and Private Equity Offer a Broader Range of Solutions to Investors. [19:29]
● Infrastructure Investments May Enhance Portfolio Diversification. [21:09]
*The views expressed herein are those of the speaker at the time the comments were made and may not be reflective of their current opinions and are subject to change without notice, and should not be considered investment advice.
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...Let’s Talk 2024 Alts Report with Matt Harvey, Sebastiano Ferrante, and Stephan Wessel
Tuesday, December 17, 2024 • Duration 34:25
Today’s panel consists of Matt Harvey, Head of Direct Lending at PGIM Private Capital, Sebastiano Ferrante, Head of Europe at PGIM Real Estate, and Stephan Wessel, Managing Partner at Montana Capital Partners, a private equity secondary mid-market specialist affiliate of PGIM.
Keshav and the panel examine the findings of the 2024 Alts Report to understand how institutional investors are positioning their portfolios for a risk-on environment. The discussion covers topics such as target allocations to alternatives, geographic diversification, strategy selection, and the factors influencing investment decisions.
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Key Takeaways:
● Private Alts: Allocations and Tensions in a Risk-on Environment. [2:20]
● Manage Investment Risk Factors with Covenants and Protections. [8:16]
● Unique Variations: Positive Leverage in European Real Estate. [12:14]
● Challenges in Private Alternatives: Fundraising and Valuations. [14:53]
● Expected Institutional Investment Headwinds and Tailwinds of 2025. [27:56]
*The views expressed herein are those of the speaker at the time the comments were made and may not be reflective of their current opinions and are subject to change without notice, and should not be considered investment advice.
“We are doing a lot of this for the endworkers, savers, and retirees, and we know the solutions that we’re working towards have a meaningful impact on their retirement readiness.” — Josh Cohen, Managing Director of PGIM’s DC Solutions team #PGIMPodcasts #investing
“The preferred application for investments in DC plans, specifically for alternative assets, is in multi-asset strategies.” — Josh Cohen, Managing Director of PGIM’s DC Solutions team #PGIMPodcasts #investing #investing #alternativeinvesting
“We need to be careful about bucketing all alternative assets into one segment. They impact a portfolio differently.” — Josh Cohen, Managing Director of PGIM’s DC Solutions team #PGIMPodcasts #investing #investing #institutionalnvesting
*Source [10:48]: DrWealth.com, 10 years of REIT performance, as of 19 June 2025
Shareables:
“Real Estate touches on all aspects of the economy, globally.” — Rick Romano, Head of PGIM Global Real Estate Securities #PGIMPodcasts #investing #valueadd
“Historically, commercial real estate was cyclical. Now, on the listed markets, you have these big areas of opportunity that are not very cyclical.” — Rick Romano, Head of PGIM Global Real Estate Securities #alternativeinvesting #PGIMPodcasts
“We went from U.S. exceptionalism quickly to U.S. uncertainty and people wanting to move out of that space.” — Rick Romano, Head of PGIM Global Real Estate Securities #alternativeinvesting #valueadd
“Real Estate doesn’t sit in the centre of the tariff war.” — Rick Romano, Head of PGIM Global Real Estate Securities #investing #institutionalnvesting
“With supply muted over the next few years, we think we can see some good revenue growth acceleration in more traditional property types.”— Rick Romano, Head of PGIM Global Real Estate Securities #investing #alternativeinvesting
“It can balance out the volatility in your real estate portfolio by marrying the public and private together.” — Rick Romano, Head of PGIM Global Real Estate Securities #PGIMPodcasts #alternativeinvesting #valueadd
“Robotic surgery will come to dominate the operating room.” — Dan Matviyenko, Healthcare Portfolio Manager of Jennison #PGIMPodcasts #valueadd
“[On tariffs] Healthcare can manage these increased costs much better than most companies out there.” — Dan Matviyenko, Healthcare Portfolio Manager of Jennison #PGIMPodcasts #alternativeinvesting
“The United States has two industries where we are the world leader. One is obviously tech, but the second one is healthcare.” — Dan Matviyenko, Healthcare Portfolio Manager of Jennison #alternativeinvesting #investing #PGIMPodcasts
“Subsector selection, size, and timing are very important to what we do.” — Dan Matviyenko, Healthcare Portfolio Manager of Jennison #institutionalnvesting #valueadd
“Sizing the investment at the right point in time is actually more important than picking the right investment.” — Dan Matviyenko, Healthcare Portfolio Manager of Jennison #investing #alternativeinvesting
“We look at our short book as an absolute return vehicle. It’s not a hedge.”— Dan Matviyenko, Healthcare Portfolio Manager of Jennison #investing #alternativeinvesting
“Mexico secures, at least for now, a leading role in a global manufacturing platform.” — Enrique Lavín, Head of LatAm Real Estate for PGIM #PGIMPodcasts #institutionalinvesting
“A return of nearshoring will make prospective tenants once again gravitate to Mexico as a prime destination for low-cost manufacturing.” — Enrique Lavín, Head of LatAm Real Estate for PGIM #PGIMPodcasts #alternativeinvesting
“A revamped nearshoring wave is about to take off.” — Enrique Lavín, Head of LatAm Real Estate for PGIM #PGIMPodcasts #institutionalnvesting #valueadd
“Mexico’s preferential position in the new trade policy will drive incremental demand for industrial real estate.” — Enrique Lavín, Head of LatAm Real Estate for PGIM #investing #alternativeinvesting
● Regulation’s Role in Asset Liability Management. [16:31]
*This episode is only for listeners in the US. All investments involve risk, including the possible loss of capital. This podcast is for informational or educational purposes. The information is not intended as investment advice and is not a recommendation about managing or investing assets.The views expressed herein are those of the speaker at the time the comments were made and may not be reflective of their current opinions and are subject to change without notice.
“When you look at global megatrends, the balance sheet of the insurance industry as it exists today is actually not sufficient to support what we call global unmet insurance and retirement income needs.” — Nandini Mongia, Group Executive Chair & CEO of Prismic Life #PGIMPodcasts #alternativeinvesting
“The average insurance company historically has had a relatively unsophisticated and un-optimized asset allocation and so are leaving investment spread on the table.” — Mike Thompson, Managing Director of Warburg Pincus & Head of Capital Solutions for Europe #PGIMPodcasts #institutionalnvesting #valueadd
“We think the global megatrends, unoptimized balance sheets, and the opportunity to provide capital into a market where public markets have struggled, we think they are compelling ingredients for an attractive investment.” — Mike Thompson, Managing Director of Warburg Pincus & Head of Capital Solutions for Europe #investing #alternativeinvesting
“The long-dated nature of the liabilities in insurance and in the manner in which they are not-runnable in the same way as deposits makes them much more able to take those illiquid assets and therefore earn that illiquid premium and the excess spread.” — Mike Thompson, Managing Director of Warburg Pincus & Head of Capital Solutions for Europe #investing #alts
“This is an industry with an almost infinite capital need and private equity exists to fulfill capital needs.” — Mike Thompson, Managing Director of Warburg Pincus & Head of Capital Solutions for Europe #investing #alts
“Prismic in and of itself is an alternative. Its exposure to a wide array and diverse allocation of alternatives and that’s what I think is so compelling about how it is also affecting capital markets.” — Keshav Rajagopalan, Managing Director & Head of Product & Strategy at PGIM Multi-Asset Solutions #institutionalnvesting #valueadd
“There are two primary reasons why investors go in for alternatives. One, return and second diversification.” — Alfred Lerman, Chief Investment Officer at PGIM Multi-Asset Solutions #PGIPodcasts #institutionalinvesting
“You can’t just turn on and off an allocation. You need to achieve a vintage diversification.” — Alfred Lerman, Chief Investment Officer at PGIM Multi-Asset Solutions #PGIMPodcasts #alternativeinvesting
“A rigorous underwriting process and risk management process is critical in determining suitable strategies for clients.” — Mao Dong, Co-Head of Portfolio Management at PGIM Multi-Asset Solutions #PGIMPodcasts #institutionalnvesting
“Alternatives have become an increasingly prominent asset class in multi-asset class portfolio settings.” — Mao Dong, Co-Head of Portfolio Management at PGIM Multi-Asset Solutions #investing #alternativeinvesting
“Private assets can play a complementary role to public markets across asset allocation.” — Mao Dong, Co-Head of Portfolio Management at PGIM Multi-Asset Solutions #investing #alts
“Having strong convents in place and protection for the end investors are critical elements of a strong portfolio.” — Mao Dong, Co-Head of Portfolio Management at PGIM Multi-Asset Solutions #investing #valueadd
“For institutional investors that are looking to position in this recovery sentiment we think real estate debt can provide spread premium as well as portfolio diversification benefits.” — Mao Dong, Co-Head of Portfolio Management at PGIM Multi-Asset Solutions #institutionalnvesting #valueadd
Shareables:
“When we compare real estate to other asset classes, certainly fixed income, it’s starting to deliver at an appropriate rate. You are buying at a pretty significant discount to replacement cost.” — Darin Bright, Head of U.S. Core Plus at PGIM Real Estate #PGIPodcasts #institutionalinvesting
“Supply has been shut down because interest rates are high so we think it all adds up to this is the year to start getting ahead of the wave of what should be good normalized returns going forward.” — Darin Bright, Head of U.S. Core Plus at PGIM Real Estate #PGIMPodcasts #alternativeinvesting
“We try to integrate the environmental process in everything we do when we underwrite and identify a new investment.” — Darin Bright, Head of U.S. Core Plus at PGIM Real Estate #PGIMPodcasts #institutionalnvesting
“Tenants today are prioritizing highly-amenitized, class Double-A, well-located properties.” — Darin Bright, Head of U.S. Core Plus at PGIM Real Estate #investing #PGIMPodcasts
“There are a lot of tailwinds that have to do with two segments of the population, Baby Boomers, and Millennials, that are the two largest and also wealthiest in the U.S. and how they consume real estate. Getting in front of whatever they consume is smart.” — Darin Bright, Head of U.S. Core Plus at PGIM Real Estate #investing #alts
“There is no greater imbalance in supply and demand from the property sector than senior housing.” — Darin Bright, Head of U.S. Core Plus at PGIM Real Estate #investing #valueadd
“With digitalization, deglobalization, demographics, and decarbonization, we are seeing a greater need for private capital solutions in all of these dimensions. You need tailored solutions beyond what traditional bank capital can provide.” — Bill Pappas, Head of Core Infrastructure and Private Credit at PGIM Private Capital #PGIPodcasts #institutionalinvesting
“The geopolitical landscape is more complex and dynamic and challenging than any time we've seen in recent times but the supply of capital is there in the private sector.” — Bill Pappas, Head of Core Infrastructure and Private Credit at PGIM Private Capital #PGIMPodcasts #alternativeinvesting
“In the U.S., data center demand is expected to grow exponentially through the end of the decade.” — Bill Pappas, Head of Core Infrastructure and Private Credit at PGIM Private Capital #PGIMPodcasts #institutionalnvesting
“We are seeing continued growth in investment that's driven by private equity. That's been a massive dynamic that is influencing the markets.” — Bill Pappas, Head of Core Infrastructure and Private Credit at PGIM Private Capital #investing #PGIMPodcasts
“Capital generally has to be returned to portfolios before it can be re-deployed.” — Matt Harvey, Head of Direct Lending at PGIM Private Capital #PGIMalts #institutionalinvesting
“In the real estate market now, we see a stabilization in variations since this quarter and therefore we start seeing liquidity come back into the core space.” — Sebastiano Ferrante, Head of Europe at PGIM Real Estate #PGIMPodcasts #alternativeinvesting
“With digitalization, the AI portion will change real estate structurally and substantially. Don’t only look at the cyclical element and cyclical opportunities, look at the structured changes that will happen to the real estate industry with the change in our societies and economies.” — Sebastiano Ferrante, Head of Europe at PGIM Real Estate #PGIMalts #alternativeinvesting
“If allocators expect the cost of capital to increase, irrespective of the underlying asset class, this would obviously impact valuations. This expected shift in asset prices will then trigger portfolio balancing.” — Stephan Wessel Managing Partner at Montana Capital Partners #PGIMalts #investing
“We will see a continuation of current trends with significant levels of uncommitted capital persisting into 2025 and beyond.” — Stephan Wessel Managing Partner at Montana Capital Partners #PGIMalts #alternativeinvesting
