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Andrew Smith and Shane Dryden built Yuppiechef from a lounge-floor startup into one of South Africa’s most recognisable online brands – then had to confront the hardest truth in founder psychology: the skills that build a business are rarely the ones that scale it. A self-confessed people-pleaser who struggled to delegate control, Smith’s real leadership test wasn’t the funding rounds or the growth – it was learning to get out of his own way. This is a conversation about the gap between building something and running something, and why the exit cheque is sometimes the most honest feedback a founder ever gets. This series is sponsored by Discovery Bank. Editions drop on Tuesdays at 07:00.

Mike Teke built Seriti Resources into one of South Africa’s most significant coal miners. 

Now he’s navigating the uncomfortable transition to renewables in a country that still depends on fossil fuels to keep the lights on. No consultants. No compromise. Just an expectation that his people show up with global best practice or don’t show up at all. 

This is a conversation about what genuine conviction looks like in an industry where everyone is hedging, and why being unreasonable is the only honest response to a global crisis.

This series is sponsored by Discovery Bank.

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Natasha Sideris grew up running the till in her dad’s restaurant, and was studying psychology when she started a side hustle she named after herself. 
Now with 45 stores in five countries, including the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia, she has been fighting for survival on the dangerous fringe of the Iran war. 
This is a conversation about what you actually find out about yourself when the thing you built gets taken apart by forces you never saw coming.
This series is sponsored by Discovery Bank.
Editions drop on Tuesdays at 07:00.

His grandfather pushed a cart of glass through downtown Johannesburg at the start of the 20th century and became chair of Belron. His father later ran the business.

When Gary Lubner took it over, it had a turnover of €600 million; by the time he retired it was headed to €7 billion and employed 36 000 people.

Listen to the extraordinary story of building Belron, the world’s biggest autoglass business.

This series is sponsored by Discovery Bank.

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Bertina Engelbrecht grew up on the Cape Flats, trained as an attorney, and became CEO of a Top 40 JSE-listed company via human resources (HR). Not the obvious route and not one she designed.

She joined Clicks in 2006 as HR director, spent 16 years understanding every nerve ending in the business, and in 2022 became the first black woman to lead a listed retail group in South Africa. Clicks is the dominant health and beauty retailer in southern Africa with one of the most envied pharmacy networks on the continent. 

This is a conversation about the slow, deliberate accumulation of influence and why the person who knows the most about the people in a business sometimes turns out to be the best person to run it.

This series is sponsored by Discovery Bank.

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Editions drop on Tuesdays at 07:00.

Brad grew up in Cape Town. A phone call to Jim Wulfensohn who later became head of the World Bank changed his life. He worked at McKinsey, ran Investec in London and was drawn into public service culminating in being appointed Chairman of the Court of the Bank of England.

He has been chairman of Goldman Sachs International and in recent years has been CEO of Kirsh International – running the complex Affairs of Africa’s richest man and driving the deal to sell Natie Kirsh’s Jetro Cash and Carry in the USA for $29bn.