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Go Tell It On The Mountain is one of the great incendiary debuts of the 20th Century. Published in 1953, James Baldwin’s autobiographical novel follows a fictionalised avatar of his younger self as he navigates his way through an ordinary day in 1930s Harlem. Baldwin showed readers life as he knew it as a black, working-class gay teenager in a racist society. 

Baldwin disliked what he called ‘protest’ novels. His interests ranged from classic white writers like Charles Dickens and Henry James to many of the giants of Harlem Renaissance, like Countee Cullen and Richard Wright. He counted Miles Davis and Toni Morrison amongst his friends, but also Norman Mailer and ultimate playboy Hugh Hefner. To write a book about New York, he ultimately needed to leave America - first to Paris, then to a Swiss village, where he - against a backdrop of Alpine hills and the tinkling of cowbells - he brought it to a close. 

Go Tell It On the Mountain was respected on publication, but hardly sold like hotcakes. Sophie and Jonty ask why it is that Baldwin, who wrote his greatest works in the 1950s and 1960s, and died in 1987, has become only more relevant in the last decade, with  intellectuals, novelists and film-makers adapting or responding to his work. 

Content warning: discussion of violence, domestic abuse, racism; mention of rape.

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Further Reading and Watching:

James Baldwin, Go Tell It on the Mountain, (Penguin, 2002 edition, first pub. 1953)

James Baldwin, “Notes of a Native Son,” in Notes of a Native Son (Beacon Classics 2015)

David Leeming, James Baldwin: A Biography, (Skyhorse, 2015)

Rachel Cohen, A Chance Meeting: American Encounters, (New York Review of Books Classics, 2024) 

Colm Tóibín, On James Baldwin (Brandeis University Press, 2024)

Eddie Glaude, Begin Again: James Baldwin’s America and its Urgent Lessons for Our Own, (Crown, 2020)

New Yorker article about Baldwin and Richard Avedon’s collaboration Nothing Personal: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/11/13/richard-avedon-and-james-baldwins-joint-examination-of-american-identity

Barry Jenkins’s film adaptation of “If Beale Street Could Talk” 

Raoul Peck’s documentary “I Am Not Your Negro”

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Few novels capture a moment and place in time as The Great Gatsby. F Scott Fitzgerald’s 1925 masterpiece captures a generation determined to live and party hard in the aftermath of the First World War. There are love affairs, exotic cocktails (a ‘gin rickey’ anyone?), no less than three car crashes and, of course, the famous party scenes. It has been adapted at least eight times for film and television, yet the road from publication to becoming considered one of Great American Novels was a slow burn. Fitzgerald died believing his life a failure. 

The Great Gatsby has some of the most famous final lines in literary history. But what exactly is the ‘green light’ and can the future really be ‘orgastic’ or did Fitzgerald make a typo? Sophie and Jonty wrestle with these questions while asking how a book so specifically rooted in the 1920s has proven so timeless. In the process, Sophie shows off her detailed knowledge of the landscape between Manhattan and Long Island, and Jonty confirms Tom Buchanan’s claim that Jay Gatsby can’t be an Oxford man because ‘he wears a pink suit’. 

We also look at Fitzgerald’s life. His determination not to end up a failure like his father (a former salesman at Proctor & Gamble), his turbulent relationship with Zelda Sayre and the long road to Gatsby via a disastrous play called The Vegetable.  

Content warning: discusses alcoholism, racism, scenes of violence. And Sophie uses a swear word.

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Further reading: 

F. Scott Fitzgerald, The Great Gatsby, Norton Critical Edition, ed. David Alworth (2022)

Some Sort of Epic Grandeur: The Life of F Scott Fitzgerald by Matthew J Bruccoli (Open Road Media, 2022) 

Cambridge Companion to F. Scott Fitzgerald, (Cambridge UP, 2023).

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What on earth was going on in the parlour of Haworth Parsonage in the Yorkshire Moors that caused three sisters to write three of the greatest novels in history within a year of one another? This is the question running through this four-part series of the Brontes. 

In this first episode, Sophie and Jonty look at the impact of Charlotte Bronte’s Jane Eyre the moment it was published in 1847, causing even the mealy-mouthed Queen Victoria to praise it as ‘intensely interesting’. 

Charlotte’s life was marred by tragedy: the death of her mother, then her two oldest sisters. She and her remaining sisters, Emily and Anne, created an imaginary world for themselves to hide from the worries of the world. But as they grew older, they were faced with that particularly Victorian problem: what to do with your life if you are a woman without money or any prospect of marriage? 

Charlotte would ultimately funnel all these tragedies and conundrums into her masterpiece. But we end this episode on a cliffhanger with Charlotte heading off to Brussels to acquire the right qualifications to open a girls’ school at the parsonage, little knowing that she was about to fall headlong - and disastrously - in love. 

Recommended reading: Charlotte Bronte, Jane Eyre, Norton Critical Edition, ed. Deborah Lutz (Norton, 2016); Claire Harman, Charlotte Bronte: A Life (Viking, 2015); Sandra Gilbert and Susan Gubar, The Mad Woman in the Attic (Yale University Press, new edition 2000); Christine Alexander, ed., Oxford Companion to the Brontes, (Oxford UP, 2006).

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As we learned in episode one, Gulliver’s Travels is the gloriously unhinged invention of the dirty-minded genius Jonathan Swift, who was also the greatest defender of Ireland under English rule. Swift was a man of contradictions - to put it mildly - a clergyman and patriot who wrote some of the most explicit and shocking poems and essays of all time.

In our second episode in this series Sophie and Jonty explain how Swift’s imaginings in Gulliver reflect the real-life love affairs and unrequited passions he had with two women — both called Esther — who were his life-long companions and rivals. We’ll hear how Jonathan Swift invented one of the most popular women’s names in history, so he wouldn’t get confused about the two women in his life. And you’ll learn why Gulliver’s Travels was way ahead of its time as a satire defending Irish suffering under English rule. 

Suggested reading: Jonathan Swift, Gulliver’s Travels, (Cambridge Edition of the Works of Jonathan Swift, ed. David Wommersley, 2012); Victoria Glendinning, Jonathan Swift: A Portrait (Henry Holt, 1999); John Stubbs, Jonathan Swift: The Reluctant Rebel (Penguin, 2016); Daniel Cook and Nicholas Seager, eds., Cambridge Companion to Gulliver’s Travels, (Cambridge University Press, 2023).

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Gulliver’s Travels is one of the most popular books of all time, but it’s no mere child’s tale. It’s the GOAT of political satires – mad, dirty and brilliantly cutting, written in 1726 by Jonathan Swift, an Anglo-Irish clergyman and perhaps the most notorious writer of his age. Join us to learn more about the fictional adventures of Swift’s creation Lemuel Gulliver, who finds himself in strange, imaginary lands with tiny people and giant people, mad scientists and talking horses.

In the first episode we explain why Swift published Gulliver’s Travels anonymously to avoid being arrested and why this was not the first time Swift had the Prime Minister’s bounty on his head for inflammatory and scandalous writing.

Come for the politics, stay for the sex comedy. Swift has one of the dirtiest minds in English literature. How do Swift’s fantasies play out when the giant women of Brobdignag play with the tiny man-doll Gulliver in their private chamber… And what happens when the giant Gulliver needs to use a toilet in a city full of minute people?

Suggested reading: Jonathan Swift, Gulliver’s Travels, (Cambridge Edition of the Works of Jonathan Swift, ed. David Wommersley, 2012); Victoria Glendinning, Jonathan Swift: A Portrait (Henry Holt, 1999); John Stubbs, Jonathan Swift: The Reluctant Rebel (Penguin, 2016); Daniel Cook and Nicholas Seager, eds., Cambridge Companion to Gulliver’s Travels, (Cambridge University Press, 2023).

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Macbeth, which actors superstitiously call the Scottish Play, is one of Shakespeare’s shortest and most exciting dramas. It’s also the most horrifying. Join Sophie and Jonty to find out why a play set in 11th-Century Scotland is really about the biggest issues of the day in King James I’s new court in 1606 London. Learn how Shakespeare is taking a major risk using an old tale of kingship to restage the Gunpowder Plot of 1605. Find out just how close the Catholic conspirators led by Guido Fawkes came to blowing up the Houses of Parliament and 30,000 people in Stuart London. 

During the episode we talk about why it’s a risky choice for Shakespeare to include witches in this play and why “double, double, toil and trouble” is anything but a harmless joke about magic spells and bubbling cauldrons.

This is the play that invents the toxic marriage we later see in Gone Girl and Who’s Afraid of Virginia Woolf, and we’ll unpack that, along with some famous moments that are deliberately hard to understand - like the dagger Macbeth sees before him, Lady Macbeth’s unwashed hands, and why the forest of Birnam Wood, moves of its own accord. And we’ll settle the age-old question of why Macbeth has trouble sleeping. 

Jonty fills us in on how to lift the curse of the Scottish Play if you accidentally say its name, and Sophie gives a 30 second history of the Protestant Reformation. Find out why fans are saying SLOB’s Macbeth in an hour is even better than the real thing!

Shakespeare, Macbeth (New Cambridge Shakespeare, 2019); James Shapiro, The Year of Lear: Shakespeare in 1606 (Simon and Schuster, 2015); Stephen Greenblatt, Will in the World: How Shakespare Became Shakespeare, (Norton, 2004)

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Alice in Wonderland is one of the most widely translated and quoted books in the world, and yet it is - quite literally - nonsense. How was it ushered into the world and why did it travel quite so far? 

Lewis Carroll, or Charles Dodgson to his mum and dad, was born in the north of England in 1832. Somehow, the unique circumstances of his life - a wild imagination, hatred of Victorian morality, appalling board school, love of mathematics and photography, debilitating stutter and a not entirely reassuring interest in children - came together in a children’s story of breathtaking originality. 

Join Sophie and Jonty as they get to grips with this unlikely phenomenon, reveal how Karl Marx, Charles Darwin, the speech pathologist James Hunt, Alice Lidell and an extinct bird all played their part in bringing Alice into being, and ask whether his affection for young girls was part of the spirit of the age or something more disturbing. 

Recommended reads: Morton N Cohen, Lewis Carroll: A Biography (Knopf, 1995); Robert Douglas-Fairhurst, The Story of Alice (Harvard University Press 2015); Jenny Woolf, The Mystery of Lewis Carroll (Haus Books, 2010)and Jonty Claypole, Words Fail Us Chapter 9 ( Wellcome, 2021); Gillian Beer, Alice in Space: The Sideways World of Lewis Carroll (University of Chicago Press, 2016).

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The Secret Life of Books is a fascinating, addictive, often shocking,
occasionally hilarious weekly podcast starring Sophie Gee, professor of
English at Princeton University, and Jonty Claypole, formerly director of arts at
the BBC.

Every week these virtuoso critics and close friends take an iconic
book and reveal the hidden story behind the story: who made it, their
clandestine motives, the undeclared stakes, the scandalous backstory and
above all the secret, mysterious meanings of books we thought we knew.

Just for example: did you know that Macbeth was a direct response to a
terrorist plot against King James I—and Shakespeare himself was connected
to the plotters? That Charles Dickens almost died in a railway accident in 1865, but
climbed out through a window, rescued his mistress, tended to the sick and
dying—then went back to retrieve the manuscript for Our Mutual Friend? That
Jane Austen observed the parties and balls of Regency England from above:
she towered a full eight inches taller than the average woman of her time?

The Secret Life of Books draws on two lifetimes of readerly expertise, but it’s also deeply user-friendly: you’ll feel like a guest at the best dinner party of the year. These are brilliant people who’ll make you feel brilliant, too.

With the help of some high-profile guests, Sophie and Jonty won’t just transform the classics, they’ll bring to life the great events and movements in world history—wars and revolutions, breakthroughs and triumphs and disasters—seen in the new light of great art rediscovered. This is a podcast for readers and book groups, students and teachers of literature, but it’s also for fans of history and biography, and anyone who’s excited by dazzling, deeply knowledgeable minds working hard and having the time of their lives.

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Within a year of its publication in 1960, Harper Lee’s To Kill a Mockingbird sold 2.5 million copies and has remained a much-loved classic by adults and children alike. What was it about this book that captured the public imagination at the time - and to this day? 

Harper Lee mined her own childhood in Alabama for this coming-of-age story of personal and social justice against a backdrop of Depression-era America. She worked and reworked several earlier drafts before achieving the crystal precision of what would prove her masterpiece. Harper imagined the book would be just the first in an illustrious career; that she would fulfil her dream of becoming, in her own words, ‘the Jane Austen of South Alabama’. But she never wrote another novel. 

Sophie and Jonty argue that the success of To Kill A Mockingbird rested on the way it optimistically presented a path of reconciliation through what was, at the time, a subject of deep national division - segregation and civil rights. Harper’s Mockingbird, like Martin Luther King’s famous dream, contained a message of hope. But was it a realistic one? 

At the very end of her life, and in controversial circumstances, an earlier draft of what became To Kill A Mockingbird was published. Titled Go Set A Watchman, this book presented a more pessimistic view of American society. It’s less convincing as a work of art, but - in many ways - a more truthful one. 

Content warning: discusses gun violence, racism, domestic and sexual violence.

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Further Reading:

Harper Lee, To Kill A Mockingbird, (Harper, 2010)

Harper Lee, Go Set a Watchman, (Harper, 2015)

Charles J Shields, I Am Scout (Square Fish, 2008) 

The Cambridge Companion to the Literature of the American South, ed. Sharon Monteith, (Cambridge UP, 2022)

Neal Dolan, “The Class Dynamics of Antiracism in Go Set a Watchman.” (Twentieth Century Literature, [s. l.], v. 69, n. 2, p. 121–146, 2023)

W.D. Kim,  "Animal Imagery in Harper Lee’s To Kill a Mockingbird," (ANQ: A Quarterly Journal of Short Articles, Notes, and Reviews, [s. l.], v. 35, n. 2, p. 161–166, 2022)

 J. C. Ford, “Birds of a Feather: Gay Uncle Jack and Queer Cousin Francis in To Kill a Mockingbird,” (ANQ: A Quarterly Journal of Short Articles, Notes, and Reviews, [s. l.], v. 36, n. 3, p. 418–433, 2023).

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Hello Thomas Cromwell. And Hello Lev Grossman, best-selling author of The Magicians trilogy, the Silver Arrow children’s books, and now The Bright Sword, who joins Sophie and Jonty as THEIR FIRST EVER GUEST to talk about Hilary Mantel’s Wolf Hall.
Published in 2009 to immediate acclaim, Wolf Hall reinvented historical fiction and changed the way we see Henry VIII and the Tudor court of 16th Century England. Mantel’s idea was to tell the story of Henry VIII and his disastrous marriages through the eyes of his right-hand man Thomas Cromwell. Traditionally thought of as mysterious and Machievallian, Cromwell, in Mantel’s hands, becomes a heroic survivor, navigating his way through a treacherous world.
Behind this irresistible story lies Mantel’s own unique philosophy of history, her belief in ghosts and her experience of chronic pain (through endemetriosis). Lev Grossman shares his insights as an author profoundly influenced by Mantel’s use of character, dialogue and perspective; an author who is also, in his view, a master of ‘the title-drop’. 
Personal revelations abound too. In a shock reveal, Sophie discloses that she is married to Lev, while Jonty manages to trace his personal ancestry back to Thomas Cromwell’s brutal father Walter - raising the alarming possibility of a Putney-style rampage through the SLOB studio.

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Further Reading:

• Hilary Mantel, Wolf Hall (Fourth Estate, 2009)
• Hilary Mantel, A Place of Greater Safety (Harper Perennial, 2009)
• Hilary Mantel, Giving Up the Ghost (Harper Perennial, 2009) 

Listen: 

• The Reith Lectures, Hilary Mantel (BBC) 

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