🎙 Second Verse – Because it’s never too late to make music.
Are you an indie artist or creative dreaming of a second chance at your music career? Second Verse is the podcast that celebrates independent musicians, singer-songwriters, and artists who got started—or started again—after a more traditional career.
Join host Becky Boyland, a singer-songwriter and music branding expert, as she interviews indie artists who prove that success isn’t just for the young and major-label backed. Each episode dives into real-life stories of artists navigating their second verse in music—overcoming fears, finding their audience, and making their creative dreams a reality.
💡 What You’ll Get:
✅ Inspiring stories from independent musicians who took the leap
✅ Actionable tips for pursuing your music career at any stage
✅ Branding and marketing insights to grow your audience
✅ Motivation to finally take that next step toward your dream
No matter where you are on your musical journey, Second Verse will help you feel seen, supported, and ready to take action. Subscribe now, leave a review, and visit secondversepod.com to submit your story, connect on social media, and start your own Second Verse.
🎶 Your dream is still waiting—let’s make music.
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Wired Differently: How Neurodivergence Fuels the Creative Path
Season 1 · Episode 15
Tuesday, June 17, 2025 • Duration 33:46
Unmasking the Hidden Superpower: Neurodivergence and Creativity in Music
In this episode of Second Verse, host Becky Boyland dives deep into how neurodivergence, particularly ADHD, manifests in the lives of artists and why it is often a hidden superpower. Becky shares her personal journey of navigating ADHD, from the initial chaotic symptoms to the profound sense of relief and empowerment upon getting a diagnosis. The episode explores the intersection of neurodivergence and creativity, illustrating how differences in brain wiring contribute to musical innovation and artistic inspiration. It also offers actionable advice on embracing these unique traits to enhance one's creative process. Tune in to learn about the role of neurodivergence in fostering a rich, creative life and discover valuable resources to support your journey.
Just Start: How David Rosen Built a Life in Music, Podcasting, and "The Pup Pups"
Season 1 · Episode 14
Tuesday, June 10, 2025 • Duration 51:34
From Vinyl to Film Scores: How David Rosen Found His Musical Calling
In this episode of Second Verse, host Becky Boyland chats with David Rosen, a versatile indie artist whose journey spans from growing up in a family-owned record store to producing rap music, composing film scores, and creating comedy rock about his pets. David shares the importance of letting one creative endeavor fuel another, and reveals insights into building long-term collaborative relationships. From using different DAWs to making movie-inspired music and creating eclectic projects like The Pup Pups, David's story is a testament to stacking your passions wherever they lead. Tune in for an inspiring conversation packed with actionable advice for any indie artist.
Singing His Song: Phil Lovell’s Journey from Welsh Classrooms to Songwriting
Season 1 · Episode 13
Tuesday, June 3, 2025 • Duration 54:36
Phil Lovell: From Classroom to Songwriting - A Journey of Creativity and Persistence
In this episode of Second Verse, host Becky Boyland chats with Phil Lovell, a retired teacher turned songwriter who crafts thoughtful songs in English and Welsh. Phil shares his journey from nurturing his musical passion quietly while working in education for over 30 years to diving fully into songwriting and performing after retirement. They discuss Phil’s creative process, the impact of music on culture, the challenges of self-promotion, and the importance of pursuing one’s passion at any stage in life. Phil’s story emphasizes that creativity deepens with time and offers inspiration for anyone who thinks they’ve missed their chance. Stay tuned for his energetic Welsh song, 'Dw i’n canu fy nghân.'
Building Momentum: The Art of Saying Yes with Music Mentor Greig Watts
Season 1 · Episode 12
Tuesday, May 27, 2025 • Duration 49:25
Finding Success by Saying Yes: Greig Watts' Journey from Banking to Hit Songwriting
In this episode of the Second Verse podcast, host Becky Boyland interviews Greig Watts, a music publisher and songwriting mentor who transitioned from a career in banking to co-founding DWB Music. Watts shares his inspiring journey of pursuing his passion for music, the importance of mentorship, and the power of saying 'yes' to opportunities. He discusses developing and guiding songwriters, the significance of being accountable, and how to keep the creative spark alive. Greig's story is a testament to the courage needed to follow your dreams and the rewards that come from perseverance and open-mindedness.
Chris Evans of AudioGust: Why It’s Time to Start, Ship, and Repeat
Season 1 · Episode 11
Tuesday, May 20, 2025 • Duration 01:02:42
Hooky Anthems and Disenchanted Optimists: Chris Evans Finds Joy in Music's Second Act
Join host Becky Boyland on the Second Verse podcast as she chats with Chris Evans, an alt/indie rock artist, songwriter, and producer known as AudioGust. Dive into Chris's fascinating journey from '80s rock bands to a successful software career and back to music. Learn how he built his own soundproof studio, released over three dozen songs, and collaborates with artists worldwide. Chris shares valuable insights on balancing logic and heart, finding creative joy, and approaching music with a blend of precision and play. Discover how Chris handles writer’s block, his perspective on perfectionism, and the importance of community in music. Perfect for indie artists and creatives ready to find their Second Verse in music.
Healing Through Music: Overcoming Vocal Trauma with Guest Whitney Nichole
In this deeply personal episode, host Becky Boyland shares her compelling journey of overcoming vocal trauma following major spine surgery. Initially facing the terrifying possibility of never singing again due to a paralyzed vocal cord, Becky describes the emotional and physical challenges she faced. She highlights the pivotal role of vocal coach Whitney Nichole, who introduced Becky to transformative techniques like straw phonation. Together, they worked meticulously to rebuild her voice, ultimately leading Becky to new vocal heights. This episode is a testament to perseverance, hope, and the power of music to heal. Tune in to hear this inspiring story and Becky's latest single, “Loving You.”
08:05 Searching for Solutions and the Start of the Journey Back
From FBI Agent to Music Maven: Tia Hoffer’s Unconventional Journey
Season 1 · Episode 9
Tuesday, May 6, 2025 • Duration 59:26
From FBI Agent to Music Composer: Tia Hoffer's Journey
In this episode of the Second Verse podcast, host Becky Boyland interviews Tia Hoffer, who has successfully transitioned from being an FBI Special Agent to a production music composer. They discuss Tia's early love for music, her fascinating career in psychology and law enforcement, and the mindset shifts that led her to pursue a music career later in life. Tia shares insights on the importance of starting imperfectly, protecting creative energy, and the numerous opportunities available in music beyond traditional artist roles. She also talks about her creative process, the therapeutic aspect of music, and her aspirations in the production music industry. The episode emphasizes the significance of taking small steps toward one's dreams and the value of community and mentorship in overcoming challenges.
Elephant Ears: How Alfredo Paz Found His Way Back to Music After Burnout
Season 1 · Episode 8
Tuesday, April 29, 2025 • Duration 46:21
Rediscovering the Creative Spark: Alfredo Paz's Journey as Elephant Ears
In this episode of Second Verse, host Becky Boyland interviews Alfredo Paz, known professionally as Elephant Ears—a talented producer, songwriter, and sound designer. Alfredo shares his journey of leaving and then rediscovering his passion for music after years in the sound engineering and film industry. He discusses the significance of collaboration, the challenges of balancing life and creativity, and the emotional depth he brings to his music. Highlights include Alfredo's insights on the music industry, his unique creation processes, and the importance of authenticity and community in creative work.
”Black Ink” by Elephant Ears feat. Dom Durner and Giulio Romano Malaisi, written by Johanna Lundström and Alfredo Paz (used with permission).
Timestamps:
00:00 Teaser Clip
00:20 Episode Introduction
01:25 Welcoming Alfredo
01:46 Early Musical Influences
02:32 Learning Music and Early Challenges
05:49 Professional Beginnings and Break
08:15 Transition to Sound Engineering
Adassa’s Inspiring Story: Music, Miracles, and Making “Encanto”
Season 1 · Episode 7
Tuesday, April 22, 2025 • Duration 51:47
Adassa's Journey: From Paralysis to Disney's Encanto
In this episode of Second Verse, host Becky Boyland interviews Adassa, the bilingual Afro-Latina voice actress, singer, and songwriter. Adassa shares her remarkable journey of resilience, from facing a sudden health crisis and total paralysis to achieving a breakout role as Dolores Madrigal in Disney's Encanto. The conversation touches on the importance of community, consistency, and authenticity in the music industry. Adassa also offers practical tips and wisdom for indie artists striving to find their voice and purpose in challenging times.
23:22 Miraculous Recovery and Recording for Encanto
MS Changed Her Life—Music Gave It Back: Cindy Slee’s Second Verse
Season 1 · Episode 6
Tuesday, April 15, 2025 • Duration 35:02
From Nursing to Music Production: Cindy's Inspirational Journey
In this episode, Becky welcomes Cindy Slee to discuss her profound journey from a musically inspired childhood to a dedicated nurse, and finally becoming a full-time musician after being diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis. Cindy shares how her early love for music, fostered by her family's influence, evolved from enjoying the piano stylings of Liberace to mastering the guitar influenced by The Beatles. Despite a thriving nursing career, her love for music persisted, eventually becoming her primary focus. Cindy delves into how her MS diagnosis necessitated a career shift, leading her to embrace music fully. She discusses her experiences with a church band, forming a gospel group, producing music for ads, and her recent endeavor to inspire others through keynote concerts. Cindy highlights the importance of seizing opportunities and finding a silver lining in adversity. The episode underscores resilience, passion, and the power of following one's true calling. Then stick around to hear her original song 'Once in a Lifetime.'
“Once In A Lifetime” by Cindy Slee, written by Cynthia L. Slee (used with permission).
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