In School of War, CBS News National Security Analyst and Free Press columnist Aaron MacLean sits down with secretaries of state, top military historians, war planners, and key political decision-makers to help understand the lessons of war.
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Aaron MacLean is a former senior fellow at Hudson Institute. He has worked as a foreign policy advisor and legislative director to Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas and spent seven years in the U.S. Marine Corps.
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How do you fight a superpower you canât afford to stop trading with? The Dutch faced that problem at the start of the 17th century in their war against Spain, and their answer was the Dutch West India Company, a business built to wage war. Alexander Bick, a historian who served on the National Security Council under Barack Obama and Joe Biden, joins School of War to discuss his new book, Minutes of Empire. He explains how the company helped secure Dutch independence and why the Dutch kept trading with Spain while fighting it, taxing certain exports to âplow that money back into the military,â and what that reveals about Americaâs tangled relationship with China. All of which raises a question about Donald Trumpâs foreign policy: Is America reviving an older style of empire?
02:52 â The Rise of the Dutch Republic
06:25 â How Dutch Trading Companies Began
09:47 â Shareholder Profits vs. National Strategy
11:59 â Who Invested in the Company?
14:33 â Challenging Spain in the New World
19:19 â The Costs of Conquering Brazil
22:49 â Who Ran the West India Company?
31:58 â Business Failure, Strategic Success
39:36 â The Dutch Legacy in Britain
43:16 â America and Trading with the Enemy
49:13 â Biden and Trump: What Changed?
55:30 â Trump, Venezuelan Oil, and Empire
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How the Middle East Got So Screwed Up, with Simon Sebag Montefiore
Tuesday, September 29, 2026 ⢠Duration 01:14:52
âLetâs whisper it,â said historian Simon Sebag Montefiore. âThe Trump blockade is working.â It can be hard to parse the state of play in the Middle East amid escalating rhetoric, but history gives us the necessary perspective to call balls and strikes in the present day. Today, the author of The Cauldron: The Making of the Modern Middle East joins School of War to discuss the forces that created the modern Middle East, why he thinks Trumpâs strategy in Iran is working, and the growing rivalry between Israel and Turkey. âThere is a real danger that ErdoÄan will talk himself into a war with Israel,â he warns.
05:22 â The Middle East Is Not Monochrome Â
09:49 â Four Eras of the Modern Middle East Â
11:45 â The Problem With Nation-States Â
18:30 â Why 1979 Changed the Middle East Â
25:22 â Can Iranâs Revolution Survive Regime Change? Â
34:28 â Iran, Hormuz, and the Nuclear Question Â
39:57 â Could Iranâs Regime Reach a Breaking Point? Â
44:42 â Why Iranâs Regime Is Built for War Â
50:46 â Trump, Soleimani, and the 12-Day War Â
52:28 â Can the Iran Blockade Work? Â
54:23 â Israelâs PostâOctober 7 Grand Strategy Â
1:04:56 â Israel, Turkey, and ErdoÄanâs Neo-Ottoman Ambitions
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Americaâs Aging Shipyards Are a Crisis Waiting to Happen
Friday, September 25, 2026 ⢠Duration 47:23
If America wants to defend Taiwanâs sovereignty, it needs to build more warships. China currently dominates global shipbuildingâproducing vessels at a scale the United States can no longer match. Alex Wong, an executive at South Korean shipbuilding giant Hanwha Group and a former Trump administration national security adviser, thinks he has the solution. Today, Wong joins Aaron MacLean to discuss how the United States lost its shipbuilding capacity, how South Korean technology and investment could help revive American shipyards, and what it will take to rebuild the countryâs naval industrial base. âAmerica doesnât have 20 yearsâ to regain its maritime dominance, he warns.Â
02:23 â Americaâs Shipbuilding Crisis
05:44 â How America Lost Its Shipbuilding Industry
09:43 â Why Commercial Shipbuilding Matters to the Navy
12:28 â America vs. Chinaâs Shipbuilding Capacity
13:54 â Rebuilding Americaâs Shipyards
16:16 â Robots and the Future of Shipbuilding
23:52 â Rebuilding Americaâs Shipbuilding Workforce
29:11 â Building Ships for Golden Dome
30:11 â Can America Build Enough Ships?
32:46 â Replacing Ships in Wartime
34:54 â Trump, Kim Jong Un, and North Korea
43:06 â Taiwan, Korea, and a Two-Front Crisis
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The Middle East After America?
Tuesday, September 22, 2026 ⢠Duration 48:57
Could Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey form a âMuslim NATO?â Pakistan has the nuclear arsenal, Saudi Arabia has the wealth, and Turkey has the NATO-trained militaryââyou put these three together and it becomes a pretty formidable force,â says CBS News senior foreign correspondent Imtiaz Tyab. Today, he joins School of War to discuss whether the pact could really become an effective alliance, what the effort reveals about Americaâs changing role in the Middle East, and what five years of Taliban rule have meant for Afghanistan: âIâve never seen the Taliban more confident,â he said.
02:14 â Reporting From Afghanistan
05:42 â The War in Afghanistan
11:29 â A More Confident Taliban
13:09 â Life Under Taliban Rule
16:13 â Afghanistanâs Secret Girlsâ Schools
20:26 â Letters From Afghan Girls
25:30 â Afghanistan Under the Taliban
28:47 â A Girlâs Plea to the World
30:07 â The Pakistan-Saudi-Turkey Alliance
31:47 â A âMuslim NATOâ?
40:33 â The Abraham Accords
44:27 â Testing the New Defense Pact
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Why John Boyd Still Matters
Friday, September 18, 2026 ⢠Duration 59:58
John Boyd was one of the most influential military thinkers of the 20th century, and the intellectual godfather of the U.S. Marinesâ military strategy. Today, as artificial intelligence continues to transform battlefields in Ukraine and the Middle East, author and retired Marine officer Ian Brown argues that Boydâs ideas are more relevant than ever. Today, Brown joins Aaron MacLean to discuss how Ukraine is harnessing Boydâs concept of narrative warfare, what Boyd can teach us about conflict in the age of AI, drones, and precision strikes, and his new book co-authored with Frans P. B. Osinga, Snowmobiles and Grand Ideals.
2:20 Who Was John Boyd?7:25 What Boyd Learned From Dogfighting15:37 From Air Combat to the OODA Loop23:49 Is the OODA Loop Really About Speed?29:33 What Do Blitzkrieg and Insurgency Have in Common?36:44 Surfaces and Gaps41:25 Why Did the Marine Corps Embrace Boyd?48:25 The Marine Corpsâ Warfighting Doctrine50:25 Does Modern Warfare Challenge Boyd?53:18 Information as a Weapon53:53 Boydâs Ideas Meet Drone Warfare54:55 From Nagorno-Karabakh to Ukraine
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What War Teaches UsâIf We Survive It
Tuesday, September 15, 2026 ⢠Duration 01:02:01
People think retired Army Major John Spencer lost part of his ear in combat. He didnât; he lost it in a fight behind a bar that cost him his spot in the Army Rangers. Spencer went on to serve repeatedly in combat and become one of the countryâs leading experts on urban warfare. He joins Aaron MacLean to discuss his origin story and other anecdotes from his new book, Twenty Times I Almost Died, as well as why he thinks the U.S. âis clearly winningâ the war in Iran.
3:30 War With Iran
9:43 Battle of Hormuz
10:42 Wartime Stockpiles
12:32 The Stakes of Failure
15:34 Losing His Ear
23:34 Losing the Rangers
25:51 Resilience
28:58 Invading Iraq
33:59 Common Sense in Combat
39:08 The IED Trap
44:25 Battle of Marjah
51:01 Gangs of Baghdad
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âWe Are Going to Warâ: H.R. McMaster Remembers 9/11
Friday, September 11, 2026 ⢠Duration 56:48
Lieutenant General H.R. McMaster was on the phone with the Pentagon when the plane struck the building on September 11, 2001. âI thought, Okay, we are going to war,â he recalls. Twenty-five years after 9/11, McMaster joins Aaron MacLean to discuss the wars that followed. Drawing on his experience as a wartime commander and national security adviser, McMaster explains why he considers Afghanistan a self-defeat, how American withdrawal helped enable the rise of ISIS in Iraq, and why he thinks the latest Iran ceasefire was âa big mistake.â
4:39 McMaster on 9/11
7:27 Adapting to Iraq
12:33 Lessons From Iraq
15:13 Counterinsurgencyâs Legacy
21:19 The Post-9/11 Wars
23:23 Afghanistanâs âSelf-Defeatâ
25:07 When America Leaves
29:53 Sustaining Afghanistan
32:14 Defending the Afghan Mission
35:37 The Axis of Aggressors
44:41 Trumpâs Messaging About the War
49:07 Politics in the Military
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Ten-Minute Warning: The Hypersonic Threat
Tuesday, September 8, 2026 ⢠Duration 44:20
A Chinese hypersonic missile targeting either U.S. coast would leave room for âabout 10 minutes of warning time.â Zachary Krevor, CEO of Stratolaunch, is building vehicles to help the Pentagon learn to detect, track, and intercept this threat. Today, Krevor joins School of War to explain how China and Russia have outpaced the U.S. in hypersonic weapons testing, why AI-enabled missile âswarmsâ may be on the horizon, and what it will take for America to defend itself against them.
2:32 What Makes a Weapon Hypersonic?
4:47 The Real-Life Top Gun: Maverick
6:14 From Model Airplanes to Hypersonics
9:09 Why America Stopped Investing in Hypersonics
10:55 Two Types of Hypersonic Weapons
14:09 Glide Bodies vs. Cruise Missiles
15:44 Surviving the Heat of Mach 5
20:20 Testing Americaâs Hypersonic Technology
23:20 China and Russiaâs Hypersonic Advantage
25:24 How to Stop a Hypersonic Missile
29:09 The Coming Age of Hypersonic Swarms
40:38 Can Golden Dome Stop Hypersonic Weapons?
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What to Expect When Youâre Expecting Great Power Conflict
Friday, September 4, 2026 ⢠Duration 55:17
When it comes to world superpowers, Cambridge historian Brendan Simms argues there are only four that matterâand two of them are fading. Today, Simms joins Aaron MacLean to argue that Britain still belongs among the worldâs leading powers; why its place among them is âby no means guaranteedâ; and why Hitler is no longer the absolute evil against which people define themselves.
4:08 The Four Râs of Great Power
4:29 Defining Great Power
8:09 Iranâs Regional Power
11:44 The Great Powers Return
15:39 The Cold War
17:44 Europe Wakes Up
21:45 American Unipolarity Ends
25:16 Britainâs Great-Power Claim
35:47 The New World Order
38:26 Realismâs Blind Spots
42:07 Losing Postwar Optimism
45:53 A âPost-Hitler Worldâ
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Shot Down over Serbia: General Goldfeinâs Incredible Story
Tuesday, September 1, 2026 ⢠Duration 01:03:02
The story of Air Force General David Goldfein, who miraculously survived after his plane was shot down over Serbia in 1999, has since become military legend. Today, he joins School of War to recount the harrowing rescue mission that saved him, how he stayed alive behind enemy lines, and the lessons his remarkable career offers about leadership, airpower, and preparing America for the next war.
2:43 An Air Force Family
3:25 Rejected by the Air Force Academy
6:39 Becoming an F-16 Pilot
8:12 What Makes a Great Fighter Pilot?
12:36 Information Overload in Combat
15:28 Goldfeinâs First Combat Mission
19:57 Training for Confidence Under Fire
21:37 A Leadership Lesson from the Gulf War
24:32 Shot Down Over Serbia
28:51 Surviving Behind Enemy Lines
31:48 The Race to Rescue Goldfein
36:22 Guiding the Rescue Helicopter
44:50 The Impact on His Family
48:53 Witnessing the Attack on the Pentagon
51:19 Digitizing the American Military
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