The show where business meets love, and culture meets critique. We’re Aiwan and Tamanda, two Black women with 20 years each in entertainment, research, and social justice. We’re also a married couple figuring out what it means to build a life and two businesses together.
We'll talk about the realities of running a business, making creative work that matters, and navigating research with integrity.
What You’ll Find:
Honest conversations on entrepreneurship, research, and creativity.
Unpacking the intersections of business, leadership, relationships, and identity.
Hot takes on media, culture, and social change.
Guest insights from entrepreneurs, researchers, and artists.
If you’re navigating business, love, and the messiness of life while trying to do meaningful work, you’re in the right place.
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"They Took the Land, Then Blamed the Climate" | The Battle for Laikipia
Tuesday, August 11, 2026 • Duration 01:14:28
"It's almost comical that you can stand on African land and say it's yours. You're an immigrant, mate."
In this special Living the Archive re-release for International Day of the World's Indigenous Peoples, we revisit one of the defining conversations from Rigour & Flow's first year: ‘The Land Is Still Not Ours!’.
Living the Archive isn't about replaying old conversations. It's about returning to them in light of everything we've learned since.
When we first recorded this episode, it sparked a powerful debate about colonialism, Indigenous land rights, and the enduring legacy of empire. Returning to it now, we're struck not only by how much of that conversation remains unfinished, but by how urgently it speaks to the present. As climate change accelerates, debates around reparations, land ownership and Indigenous sovereignty have only become more urgent.
Inspired by the documentary The Battle for Laikipia, this episode explores the generations-long conflict between the Indigenous Samburu people of Kenya and fourth-generation white settlers. Through the lens of the film, Aiwan and Tamanda connect questions of colonialism, land ownership, climate justice and belonging with their own family histories in Botswana and the UK.
🎙️In this episode:
Post-Colonial Reality: Why the struggle for Indigenous land rights didn't end with political independence.
Institutional Legacy: How colonial systems of land ownership continue to shape the present.
The Climate Intersection: Why climate justice and racial justice are inseparable.
Property vs. Belonging: The tension between European ideas of private property and Indigenous communal traditions.
A Story from Botswana: What Tamanda's family farm reveals about policing, belonging and colonial institutions.
Land & Reparations: Why justice must include both land and historical reckoning.
Whether you're listening for the first time or returning to this conversation, this episode is an invitation to think differently about the stories we inherit. Because before we can decide who owns the land, we first have to ask where the story begins.
Dangerous & Divine | How the Bible Becomes a Tool of Power
Tuesday, July 28, 2026 • Duration 49:28
In the next instalment of our Feedwarmer series, we’re sharing the creators and conversations currently shaping our own thinking. This week’s recommendation is a thoughtful, intellectually rich and deeply personal exploration of faith, power and knowledge.
As Tamanda begins her postdoctoral research at the University of the Western Cape's Desmond Tutu Centre for Religion and Social Justice, she introduces Aiwan to Belonging: Gender, Sex & Spirituality - a new podcast hosted by Reverend Mpho Tutu van Furth and Professor Marceline Tutu van Furth.
In this episode, they sit down with leading South African womanist theologian, Professor Sarojini Nadar, to explore embodied knowledge, biblical interpretation and what happens when religious traditions are used to justify oppression.
The conversation resonates deeply with Aiwan’s own experiences growing up around fundamentalist Christianity. This opens up an honest discussion about the lasting impact of religious conditioning before exploring one of Tamanda’s more recent encounters with the Bible as a tool of oppression.
🎙️In this episode:
The Bible as a Tool of Power: Why sacred texts can become dangerous in the wrong hands.
The "Three I’s" of Interpretation: Breaking down inspired, infallible, and inerrant views of scripture.
Embodied Knowledge: Why your body’s "felt sense" is a vital form of authority and resistance.
The Girl in the Denim: How small acts of rebellion - like wearing jeans or a denim skirt - can lead to radical scholarship or creative practice.
Podcasting as Public Theology: How Black women are creating new spaces for knowledge, faith and resistance.
We are playing the first half of this powerful original conversation. If it leaves you wanting more - and we think it will - we highly encourage you to listen to the full episode of Belonging: Gender, Sex & Spirituality.
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Where Are All the Black Women Composers? | Sound, Storytelling & Hidden Histories
Tuesday, July 21, 2026 • Duration 53:57
"I had a group of people actually instigate a panic attack behind the decks... and I still had to finish the set. That was the closest I came to quitting."
Where are all the Black women composers? It's a simple question but one that reveals just how invisible some of the most important creative work in film, television and audio storytelling still is.
In this special feedwarmer episode of Rigour & Flow, Aiwan sits down with award-winning turntablist, composer and sound designer NikNak for a conversation about creativity, resilience and the hidden power of sound.
Drawing on their collaboration on Audible's Hidden Histories, they explore what it means to build sonic worlds that audiences feel but rarely notice, why sound is one of the most overlooked elements of storytelling, and how Black women continue to navigate industries that struggle to imagine them beyond familiar creative roles.
NikNak reflects on surviving racism in the music industry - including the moment she experienced a panic attack behind the decks - and why staying true to her artistic voice became an act of resistance rather than compromise.
🎙️In this episode:
Sound is 50% of Your Film: Why audio is often a filmmaker's biggest afterthought - and why great storytelling depends on getting it right
Where Are All the Black Women Composers? Why so few Black women are recognised behind the mixing desk and why representation matters just as much behind the scenes as it does on screen
Panic at the Decks: NikNak's powerful story of facing racism in the club scene, surviving a panic attack mid-set and choosing not to let the experience end her career
The Politics of Sound: From Hidden Histories to sampling Palestinian graduation speeches, how sound becomes a way of preserving memory, resisting erasure and telling stories differently
Industry Gatekeeping: Why some of the creative industry's most celebrated institutions and awards still struggle to recognise experimental Black artists and what that says about who gets to define excellence
"I Was a Walking Illegal Human" | Growing Up Between Botswana & South Africa
Tuesday, July 14, 2026 • Duration 01:45:15
"Who gets to decide who you are? And why do systems still shape who you are in the present?"
In the first episode of our new Living the Archive series, we are revisiting one of the most significant and debated conversations from Rigour & Flow’s first year: "Are Mixed Race People Properly Black?"
A year ago, this topic sparked a viral "storm." Our trailer reached hundreds of thousands, generating intense debate across social media and prompting hundreds of messages from listeners sharing their own experiences of identity, belonging and race across our social channels.
But archives shouldn’t gather dust. As we enter Year 2, we are looking back to ask: What has changed, and what do these discussions mean now?
Ahead of Nelson Mandela Day, Tamanda reflects on a recent return to South Africa for her postdoctoral research. An unexpected encounter with apartheid-era racial categories on university diversity monitoring forms reopened questions that have followed her since childhood.
🎙️In this episode:
The Living Archive: Why we’re revisiting our most controversial conversations
Crossing Borders: Growing up mixed race between Botswana, apartheid South Africa, and the UK
Apartheid’s Legacy: Why institutional systems still use apartheid era categories and racial scripts in 2026
The Politics of Belonging: Deconstructing colourism, the "best of both worlds" myth, and competing ideas of Black identity
The Intimacy of Violence: The hidden impact of racism within families and intimate relationships
Whether you're discovering this conversation for the first time or returning to it with us, this episode is an invitation to think differently about race; not as a fixed category but as an evolving story.
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🎥 Watch the full episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/wMHY_t9Z8e0
They Didn’t Just Escape. They Planned It. | The Underground Railroad & Black Resistance
Tuesday, July 7, 2026 • Duration 43:47
How do we move beyond stories of victimhood to stories of Black ingenuity and resistance?
In this special summer Feedwarmer, Aiwan and Tamanda explore the power of audio storytelling to reshape how we understand Black history and agency.
Aiwan pulls back the curtain on her experience producing "Escape the Underground Railroad" - the official companion podcast to Barry Jenkins’ acclaimed Amazon Prime series. And dives deep into another experience of producing the Small Axe companion podcast, to reflect on what happens when podcasting, film and historical research come together to centre Black agency rather than passive victimhood.
From a surreal first meeting with Sir Steve McQueen to being "whipped into shape" by legendary executive producer Isis Thompson, Aiwan shares the steep learning curve of bringing cinematic sound design to the podcasting world.
This is a conversation about who gets to write the story, the "silly games" systems play, the responsibility of telling history well, and why we must give people their flowers while they can still smell them.
🎙️In this episode:
The Cincinnati 28: How a group of enslaved people used the ultimate "hidden in plain sight" tactic to secure their freedom.
The Power of Companion Podcasts: Why audio allows for a "deeper dive" into history than film or TV can often provide.
Working with Luminaries: Insights from collaborating with Barry Jenkins and Steve McQueen.
The "Rigour" of Academics: The challenge (and joy) of translating dense historical research into captivating, human-centric stories.
Sonic World-Building: How artists like Lex Amor are redefining the "cinematic" sound of modern podcasting.
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Why Do We Protect Powerful Men? | Academia, Algorithms & Sexual Violence
Season 5 · Episode 54
Tuesday, June 30, 2026 • Duration 45:31
It happened to us right here at Rigour & Flow. One of the stories we needed to tell turned out to be the one the digital world was least willing to amplify.
In this Unfinished Business episode, Aiwan and Tamanda revisit some of the most powerful conversations from our Women's History Month series and ask:
What happens when the systems designed to protect people end up protecting power instead?
Across marriage, the law, academia and technology, this episode explores the uncomfortable reality that the systems built to protect people can sometimes end up protecting power instead.
From debates around sex work and marital rape to the courage of survivors like Gisèle Pelicot and the disturbing rise of online "rape academies", we explore the cultures of silence that continue to shape how violence against women is understood, discussed and challenged.
We also reflect on a fascinating conversation with Washington-based researcher Olga Naidenko about academic authority, survivor knowledge and the ethics of citation. Should influential thinkers still be treated as intellectual authorities when serious allegations of harm surround them? And who gets to decide whose voices deserve to be amplified?
Along the way, we unpack the unexpected suppression of our own content by social media algorithms and what that reveals about technology, safety and the unintended consequences of platform moderation.
🎙️ In this episode:
The Algorithm of Silence. How social media platforms unexpectedly suppressed some of our most important conversations on violence against women - and what that reveals about digital gatekeeping.
When Safety Becomes Transactional. Revisiting debates around marriage, sex work, capitalism and the blurred lines between intimacy, protection and obligation.
Daddy's Girl, Different Worlds | A Mixed-Race Daughter's Story (Tamanda's Story)
Season 5 · Episode 53
Tuesday, June 23, 2026 • Duration 01:21:24
What happens when your white father, who’s your ultimate hero, has not lived your Black reality? In part two of our fatherhood series, Tamanda shares the intensely personal story of her father.
For years, he was the "encyclopaedic hero" of a "Disney-esque" childhood on a school campus in Botswana. But as the Tamanda of 11 years in age moved to the North of Ireland, the "invisible privilege" of good fatherhood met a complicated reality: a white father who, despite his love and intellectual depth, had not lived the realities of racism his Black-mixed daughter was now navigating.
In this episode, we explore the "secondary wounding" that occurs when the person who represents safety is experientially removed from the systemic oppression you face - simply on account of race or ethnicity.
We discuss the decades-long journey of taking a parent off their pedestal to meet the man beneath the hero you held so high in your heart and mind. And the humbling "once a man, twice a child" transition that emerges, when carer roles are eventually reversed, and your parent enters their twilight years.
With our lens fixed on mixed race family dynamics, we ask: Can we keep loving someone deeply while acknowledging the ways they were unequipped to see us? How do we find our own validation when it isn’t just naturally mirrored back?
🎙️ In this episode:
The Hero and The Vortex: Tamanda reflects on being the quintessential "daddy’s girl", where her every curiosity was nurtured by her father’s gentle, intellectual power.
The Gap in Lived Experience: Grasping the moment a Black-mixed child realises their white parent cannot be their compass or protector for a world they have never had to navigate.
The Pedestal vs. The Man: The "different kind of hard" that comes with processing grief for a living parent while moving from idealisation to a level of understanding and on to acceptance.
“When I Called, They Never Answered” | Fathers, Faith & Disappointment
Season 5 · Episode 52
Tuesday, June 16, 2026 • Duration 01:25:01
In this deeply personal episode, Aiwan shares the "three goes" she had at fatherhood and why all of them failed her.
From a biological father known only through fragments, to a step-parenting experience defined by high control religion and mushrooms growing out of tower-block walls, Aiwan and Tamanda peel back the layers of what happens when the "protector" figure is absent, abusive or conditional.
Together we dive into the complex world of Nigerian Pentecostal "Spiritual Fathers" and the moment a violent sermon in 2014 forced Aiwan to choose between her faith and her humanity. As she left home and chose homelessness to keep her self-worth intact.
But this isn't just a story of absence. It’s a conversation about reclaiming the "missing story" and redefining what it means to be meaningfully present as a parent. Aiwan describes the father she never had, the caregiver dads she imagines for the next generation, and how her own experiences shape her own thinking about raising a child herself one day.
🎙️ In this episode:
Status and Absent Fathers: How growing up fatherless on a council estate impacts a child’s sense of protection
The Myth of the Presence: Why having multiple "father figures" can sometimes feel lonelier than having none at all
The Spiritual "Daddy": The power dynamics of the Nigerian Pentecostal church and the moment Aiwan left it all behind
Breaking the Cycle: The intellectual and emotional work of building a parenting blueprint from scratch
Saluting Dope Black Dads: A celebration of the Black fathers counteracting stereotypes with "soft discipline" and intentional love
Whose Equality? | Reform, DEI and the Post-BLM Backlash
Season 5 · Episode 51
Tuesday, June 9, 2026 • Duration 01:02:41
DEI is under attack. But what exactly is being defended? We take on the three letters that have become everything from a flagellant workplace promise, to an impotent political punchline.
We get into Reform UK’s proposal to scrap the Equality Act, the backlash against diversity, equity and inclusion, and the class conversation that keeps being used as a wedge instead of a route to solidarity.
Tamanda explains what the Equality Act and Public Sector Equality Duty actually do, why the Bank of England internship controversy became such a political flashpoint, and why class and socioeconomic status need to be part of any serious conversation about equality.
Aiwan reflects on the creative industries after BLM, the realities of being treated like a quota, and why marginalised creatives do not need endless “emerging talent” schemes as much as they need infrastructure, commissioning, fair pay and real backing.
Together, we ask: What happened to DEI? How did radical struggles for justice become corporate diversity awards, PR statements, bureaucratic documents and business-case language? And can DEI ever be reclaimed if it cannot talk honestly about race, class and power?
🎙️ In this episode:
Reform and the Equality Act: What the proposal to scrap the Act reveals about race, class and political dog whistles
Tokenisation vs. Transformation: Aiwan shares her personal experiences of being "box-ticked" by white-led companies during the BLM era and the "disheartening dehumanisation" of being instrumentalised for PR
The Missing Class Link: Why the exclusion of socioeconomic status from the Equality Act allows elites to use "divide and conquer" tactics to keep marginalised groups at odds
The Language of Distraction: A look at the ever-shifting terminology, from "BAME" to "Global Majority" and whether this towering "Babel" of acronyms prevents us from facing systemic racism head-on
Hard to Reach or Easy to Ignore? | The Truth About Community Research, Anger & Power
Season 5 · Episode 50
Tuesday, June 2, 2026 • Duration 51:53
Why do we let 'experts' from outside our communities decide what we need? Today, we’re talking about the politics of help, the myth of the 'hard to reach' and why genuinely community-led research has the potential to solve global crises like suicide and inequality.
From Black maternal health to Black men’s mental health, in this episode Aiwan and Tamanda explore what could happen when money, power and agency move directly into the hands of communities. When communities set the agenda, choose the questions, shape the process and decide what counts as change.
Aiwan reflects on entering Tamanda’s research world, being baffled by its language and slowly realising that terms like “participatory action research”, “community engagement” and “co-production” point to a pivotal question: who gets to decide what matters and what change is needed?
From there, the episode moves into the anger that surfaces when communities recognise how often they have been studied, used, consulted, underpaid and discarded. Aiwan speaks honestly about the fury of realising how often “help” is designed without the people it is meant to serve. Tamanda unpacks why this anger is not a distraction from the research, but part of the process of knowledge production.
Together, they explore the difference between research that extracts and research that heals.
🎙️ In this episode:
Beyond the Buzzwords: Stripping away research jargon to understand the truths
The Extraction Economy: How communities have been "used and discarded" by traditional research institutions
Research and Community Agency: What happens when we stop being the "subject" and start being the "architect"
Setting the Agenda: Why the "most important problem" shouldn't be decided upstream by strangers
Details about Rigour & Flow with Aiwan and Tamanda, a podcast by Rigour & Flow with Aiwan and Tamanda
Whether you're a filmmaker, musician, podcaster, creative practitioner or simply curious about the invisible craft behind the stories we love, this conversation offers a rare glimpse into the people shaping what we hear - and why that matters.
About NikNak:
Award-winning turntablist, DJ, music artist/producer, composer and an afrofuturistic, sonic storyteller. A pioneering figure in the UK turntablism scene, NikNak became the first Black turntablist to win the Oram Award in 2020, and the Pop‑Experimental Award at the ZKM Gigahertz Festival in 2025. Her work pushes the boundaries of what turntables can do, merging live improvisation with immersive electronic production.
Gisèle Pelicot and the Switching of Shame. What happens when a survivor refuses silence, chooses public accountability, and forces society to confront its own complicity.
The "Do Not Cite" List. The ethical minefield of academia, intellectual authority and whether influential thinkers should remain untouchable when allegations of harm emerge.
The Ethics of Looking Away. Exploring the tension between protecting a cause and confronting the harm that can exist within it.
Why Do We Protect Powerful Men? Across marriage, the law, academia and technology, asking why institutions so often shield the powerful while failing the people they were designed to protect.
A "Soft Place to Land": How Tamanda’s stable upbringing provided a "nervous system peace" that now anchors her and Aiwan’s marriage.
Once a Man, Twice a Child: A raw look at the "privilege of giving back" through caregiving and the power of a final, imperfect validation in the twilight years.
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Radical Histories & What DEI Should Become: Remembering the legacy of warriors like Doreen Lawrence and the McPherson report, and why we must restore DEI as a moral and ethical imperative
