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Love people. Show compassion. Have grace. (Conversation with Billy Keene, Pt 3) Episode 7206 Nov 202400:40:52

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We all have gifts, regardless of whether religion plays a role in your life or not. Accept yourself as you are. Love people. Show compassion. Have grace.

"Some people were not put here to evolve. They are here to remind you what it looks like if you don't."

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Finding where you fit (Conversation with Billy Keene, Pt 2) Episode 7130 Oct 202400:34:48

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Billy's journey continues after leaving the Pentecostal organization, including his struggles with his sexuality, which were in direct conflict with Christianity. 

He shares being divorced, then being a single dad, to finding new love with his husband, his continuing search for spirituality, and his favorite 3 R's: reconciliation, resilience, resolve.


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Is Fundamentalism Tied to Ego? (Conversation with Robert Williams, Pt 2) Episode 6303 Jul 202400:30:22

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We continue the conversation with Robert and discuss fundamentalism and the fact that it's found everywhere: work, home, politics, etc.

It draws a line in the sand that leads to division and violence, and a sense of "I'm better than you", and "I'm right and you're wrong".

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When Spiritual Abuse is Subtle (Conversation with Robert Williams, Pt 1) Episode 6226 Jun 202400:32:48

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We interview Robert Williams, who shares his long time experiences within the Apostolic church, and what ultimately led to his exodus. 

Later, with the help of a therapist, he was able to identify the unrealized spiritual abuse that had occurred, and work to heal those traumas.

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Pagan Christianity, Chapters 1-2 (Date Night) Episode 6120 Jun 202400:30:54

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We discuss chapters 1 & 2 of Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola. 

Have you ever wondered why Christians do what they do for church every Sunday morning? Why do they “dress up” for church? Why does the pastor preach a sermon each week? Why do they have pews, steeples, and choirs? 

Most of what Christians do in present-day churches is rooted, not in the New Testament, but in pagan culture and rituals developed long after the death of the apostles.

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Intro to Pagan Christianity (Date Night) Episode 6012 Jun 202400:34:31

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In this first RP date night episode, Nate and Celeste introduce an impactful book they read around 15-20 years ago when they first exited the UPC Church.

Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola examines a multitude of Christian church practices that have been accepted as 'gospel' or 'from the bible', when in reality, they were adopted from paganism. 

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Know Your Power (Conversation with Kali J Banks, Pt 2) Episode 5905 Jun 202400:44:40

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We wrap up our discussion with Kali J Banks regarding awareness, and how once you broaden your awareness, then your interpretation of scripture is beyond just surface level. When you go within yourself, you unlock the keys to the 'mystery' of the bible.

So often we give power and reverence to a church building, but God is within the most sacred 'church' = our body. God is within us, within our form. We are a tool for divine work, and as such, we need to know our power.

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All that you need is within you (Conversation with Kali J Banks, Pt 1) Episode 5829 May 202400:33:32

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What does it mean to forgive? What does it mean to love yourself?

We speak with Kali J Banks about his book and what started him on the path to awareness. 

As within, so without.

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The Biggest Religion on the Planet (Conversation with Ron Lennex, Pt 3) Episode 5722 May 202400:27:00

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We wrap up our interview with Ron in this 3rd episode by talking politics, the 'biggest religion on the planet'. 

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When you're just DONE (Conversation with Ron Lennex, Pt 2) Episode 5615 May 202400:32:19

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In this episode, Ron talks about growing up with feelings of not being accepted, or measuring up, and then refusing to tolerate those same feelings within the confines of religion. Nate shares that he believes true peace is found when you're able to just be who you are, and that begins with accepting yourself. 

As Ron says, "I'm a little bit enlightenment, and a little bit 'go f*ck yourself.'"

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When religion isn't all it's cracked up to be (Conversation with Ron Lennex, Pt 1) Episode 5508 May 202400:24:49

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Ron talks about being raised Methodist as a kid, and also going to Catholic mass with his grandmother. He became spiritually curious as he grew older, and found out one of his buddy's father was a born-again Christian. They invited him to their church where he attended for a while. From there, he attended a trinitarian 'holiness' full gospel church until he was in his early 20s and decided to leave the church for a period of time.

After he relocated from NY to TX, he met a former Pentecostal woman in Austin and they started attending a UPC church in the area. He stayed there about 7 years, and while there, met a Hebraic/messianic teacher. They became good friends, and then left the UPC to start a small group meeting.  But that wasn't all it was cracked up to be either....

Ron's cigar: JFR Lunatic 8"x80 ring

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Pagans and Christians and Satanists, Oh My! (Pt 3) Episode 5401 May 202400:30:37

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Nate and Mason wrap up the last of this series by finishing the last of the 9 satanic statements written in the 1960s by Anton LeVey, while weaving in politics and (ex)evangelicalism.

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Church = just another MLM?? (Conversation with Billy Keene, Pt 1) Episode 7023 Oct 202400:46:15

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We talk with a long-time friend as he shares his journey out of the Pentecostal church. It began when he saw the greed, the focus and priority placed on constant fundraising, and the comparison to just another multi-level-marketing business. 

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Pagans and Christians and Satanists, Oh My! (Pt 2) Episode 5324 Apr 202400:25:46

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Mason finishes reading the list of sins found on the church of satan's website. Nate shares more about attending the local pagan market. And then they move on to the 9 satanic statements written in the 1960s by Anton LeVey.

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Pagans and Christians and Satanists, Oh My! Episode 5210 Apr 202400:31:40

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Nate shares how he recently visited a local pagan market with various vendor booths set up - and for clarification, pagan doesn't mean blood sacrifices, but a rather broad spectrum of non-christians. 

There were many craftsmen present - wood workers, jewelry makers, bakers, food trucks and various other booths.  There was also a booth with members from the Houston church of satan (followers of the satanic bible by Anton LeVey). 

After reading the outrage on social media by christians who wandered in and discovered this, Nate decided to look into this church's belief beyond what the name would suggest. Pretty interesting and not what you'd think. Listen as Mason reads their bylaws...and sins.

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Happy 1st Birthday, Rettals' Pub! Episode 5103 Apr 202400:35:55

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Happy 1st Birthday to Rettals' Pub! Join us as we talk about the past year plus plans for the next. We also manage to weave a bit of spirituality in and around laughs.

Mason shares about a recent road trip he and his wife just took to New Mexico. And just like in life, while the mountains were beautiful, sometimes the valleys were more desirable.

Want to recreate our birthday cocktail?

Birthday Cocktail Recipe:
1 oz Pinnacle Vodka Cake
1 oz Pinnacle Vodka Whipped
1.5 oz half & half
Pillsbury Funfetti Bold Purple Vanilla frosting

Dip cocktail glass in softened frosting, then in sprinkles. Add a dollop of frosting & some sprinkles to bottom of glass. Combine both vodka flavors + half & half in an ice-filled shaker and shake well. Strain into cocktail glass.

*Inspiration for this cocktail found at dailydishrecipes.com/birthday-cake-cocktails/
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Your ego must die daily (Listener Question - Pt 4) Episode 5027 Mar 202400:25:00

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We wrap up part 4 of listener questions by discussing that attachment brings suffering & pain, so your ego must 'die daily', as Paul said. If you've followed our podcast for a while, you'll find this is not a new topic, as many things circle back to this concept.

Resources mentioned:

  1. The Zen Experience by Thomas Hoover
  2. Buckland's Complete Book of Witchcraft by Raymond Buckland
  3. Paths to God: Living the Bhagavad Gita by Ram Dass
  4. The Complete Introduction to Magic by Julius Evola
  5. The Doctrine of Awakening: The Attainment of Self-Mastery According to the Earliest Buddhist Texts by Julius Evola
  6. Discovering Christian Witchcraft: A Beginner's Guide for Everyday Practice by Sara Raztresen

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Are evil humans pre-planned, or are they NPCs? (Listener Question - Pt 3) Episode 4920 Mar 202400:25:34

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We dive into part 3 of listener questions:

"Do souls actually choose a plan to incarnate and live a life of pure evil? To torture and rape and murder the innocent, to wreak unspeakable horrors and take delight in these things? Is this a sick, twisted version of "ordered steps"?

Or could it be the human spirit was rotten and overrode the soul's plan? Or maybe evil humans operate without a soul like NPCs?"

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Are the soul and spirit separate entities? (Listener Question - Pt 2) Episode 4813 Mar 202400:29:36

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We dive into part 2 of listener questions:

"The Bible makes the distinction several times between the soul and the spirit. Is the spirit our "human spirit", the fleshly part of us that has inherited DNA which defines our very characteristics? Can this human spirit make choices not in alignment with the soul's plan? (In church speak this would have been considered "out of the will of god").

I believe there are 2 distinct beings at play here during each incarnation. The soul. And the human spirit. I guess I'm struggling with the concept that the human has no choice but what an external, eternal entity who has 'possessed' it, decides."

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Is it predestination or free will? (Listener Question - Pt 1) Episode 4706 Mar 202400:32:48

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We received the below questions/comments from a listener:

I've always been very much an individual who believes in free will. That there are good and bad consequences to every decision I make. That I'm ultimately in charge of where my path leads.

You speak of "ordered steps", which is also referenced in scripture. This sounds like predestination, which eliminates personal choice. 

I've heard Dolores Cannon say that before your incarnation, you plan out your path with other players (ie your soul family), but while you're living said incarnation, you can change the plan. 

Many have compared each incarnation to a play where each soul plays a character according to a script. This script would be your "ordered steps". However, sometimes plays have improvisation, because an actor forgot the lines, or an actor had to quit and a substitute actor stepped in, or maybe an actor was funny and added his own dialogue, etc. 

How detailed is the soul's plan for said incarnation? Do you think it's like putting Dallas TX in Google maps, and then choosing the best route depending on what I need to accomplish on the trip? But a wreck or road construction or a last minute change could cause me to reroute. So while there are many ways to get to Dallas, there may be a "best" way that I can choose to take or not.

The Bible makes the distinction several times between the soul and the spirit. Is the spirit our "human spirit", the fleshly part of us that has inherited DNA which defines our very characteristics? Can this human spirit make choices not in alignment with the soul's plan? (In church speak this would have been considered "out of the will of god").

I believe there are 2 distinct beings at play here during each incarnation. The soul. And the human spirit. I guess I'm struggling with the concept that the human has no choice but what an external, eternal entity who has 'possessed' it, decides.

Along these same lines, do soul's actually choose a plan to incarnate and live a life of pure evil? To torture and rape and murder the innocent, to wreak unspeakable horrors and take delight in these things? Is this a sick twisted version of "ordered steps"

Or could it be the human spirit was rotten and overrode the soul's plan? Or maybe evil humans operate without a soul like NPCs?

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Redefining how we see god & church (Conversation with Amanda Clark, Pt 3) Episode 4628 Feb 202400:32:46

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We discuss how its harder, but more rewarding, to work out your own spirituality (without it becoming legalism); how it's easy to follow someone else's laundry list of do's/don'ts & be spoon-fed their version of 'god' but it shortchanges our souls; that being surrounded by nature is its own kind of 'church'; and that sometimes you just need to be able to let a good 'curse word' out :)

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When your awakening & exodus leads to greater spirituality (Conversation with Amanda Clark, Pt 2) Episode 4521 Feb 202400:35:40

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Amanda talks about dreams of past lives; her spiritual (supernatural) abilities, even as a small child, that were hidden rather than celebrated; her first invitation to attend a small group reading by a Medium, and how a beyond-the-grave apology brought her and her husband joy and peace rather than fear.

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When the pursuit of truth leads you out (Conversation with Amanda Clark, Pt 1) Episode 44e14 Feb 202400:30:43

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We finally get to talk with Amanda!  

She talks about her exit from the UPC and all the cool stuff that were the catalysts of that as well as the peace found outside the UPC.

Let us know how we're doing or if you'd like to get a message to Amanda do so at https://rettals.pub/contact-us.  

You can also use that form to suggest topics, ask questions, or suggest spirits for us to sample.

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Practice, not Perfection (Conversation with Tai Goodwin, Pt 3) Episode 6916 Oct 202400:21:32

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We wrap up our interview with Tai and talk about people having "spiritual" gifts and being able to choose how and when they use them. And maybe there's a bigger reason why "God" doesn't answer our prayers...and it's not because we're unworthy or are being punished.

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Resolve to Serve No More - Even More - Episode 43e07 Feb 202400:33:00

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Nate, a capitalist, blames the state of the nation on the Boomer generation because of their unfettered consumption and by putting their own needs and desires ahead of all others.

Do you agree?  Disagree?  Let him know at https://rettals.pub/contact-us.  

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Resolve to Serve No More - Episode 42e31 Jan 202400:32:48

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 Mason and Nate talk about how their view of God has changed since their awakening as well as not serving tyrants.

That said, how has your view of God changed? Let us know!

Also, if you have any questions, concerns, topic suggestions, alcohol suggestions go to https://rettals.pub/contact-us/ and fill out the form!

Étienne de la Boétie - The Politics of Obedience

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Christianity is Pagan Cosplay Pt. 2 - Episode 41e24 Jan 202400:40:51

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As always, Nate and Mason discuss the various issues with religions. Christianity generally and Pentecostalism specifically.  Please join us as we talk about the pagan influences withing Christianity; among many other topics as well.

Disagree?  Have a topic you'd like us to discuss?  Or have some spirits that you'd like for us to try on the show?

Let us know by using the form at https://rettals.pub/contact-us/.

We look forward to hearing from you - even if and especially you disagree with us.

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New Year's Musings (Purpose, Paganism, & Aliens) Episode 4017 Jan 202400:39:56

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We kick off the new year with multiple topics.

1. If you strive to attain your highest purpose, the universe will align to that purpose. Choose the highest and best.

2. Is Christianity the cosplay of paganism?

3. Did aliens or some other higher intelligent life form create humanity on earth for the purpose of enslavement?

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**Correction: Enlil was the Annunaki brother who set himself up as a controlling God and, Enki was the Annunaki brother who wanted to help save humanity.

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What does Voodoo have in common with Pentecostalism? Episode 3910 Jan 202400:37:29

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Nate and Mason discuss extreme similarities between Pentecostalism and voodoo:

  1. Speaking in tongues
  2. Excessive shouting
  3. Being possessed by their deity
  4. Extreme physical response to said 'possession', i.e. writhing on the ground, uttering a different language, etc
  5. Beating of drums (rhythmic beating elevates vibrations of the masses)


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Why do Christians reject Reincarnation? Episode 3803 Jan 202400:43:22

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Listener question: 

  • "Reincarnation has been a common belief across cultures and religions for thousands of years. Why do modern Christians fight so hard against this concept?"

Nate answers this question with a single word: CONTROL

Nate and Mason discuss how their recently found belief in reincarnation affects their spirituality.

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Merry Christmas and Happy New Year23 Dec 202300:06:00

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We would like to thank each of you for listening!  We hope you all have a wonderful Christmas and a Happy and Safe New Year!  We look forward to another year of community with you.

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There is no spoon: waking up from the illusion of self - Episode 3720 Dec 202300:31:07

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Nate and Mason discuss the idea of Samadhi. What is Samadhi? It's not something that is easily described because there are no real translations. 

The body wants comfort, and the mind wants knowledge. Samadhi is not running from pain, but also not running after pleasure. Be still.

One way it has been explained is the waking up from the illusion of self, separating the character from the actor from the individual. Think Neo swallowing the red pill and what happens after. 

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Let life unfold - Episode 3613 Dec 202300:32:48

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We discuss attachment and what that may mean (or not).

And that maybe we just need to 'be' rather than 'do', to let our present life unfold versus being attached to a specific outcome.

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Attachments and 'I AM' - Episode 3506 Dec 202300:32:48

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Yep, we talk attachments again, and what it means to say 'I AM'.

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Be the Highest Version of Yourself (Conversation with Tai Goodwin, Pt 2) Episode 6809 Oct 202400:32:17

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We continue our discussion with Tai, and how our purpose and mission is to be the highest version of ourselves. 

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What are Chakras? Episode 3428 Nov 202300:32:48

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We discuss the 7 chakras (or spiritual centers w/in the body), specifically the Root Chakra, which when imbalanced, can manifest as back pain, fatigue, digestive issues, anxiety & fearfulness.

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Happy Thanksgiving22 Nov 202300:05:40

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We love you guys and are thankful for your presence listening to Rettals' Pub.

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Relax - You're Only Shown What's Needed When You Need It - Episode 3315 Nov 202300:32:48

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Mason shares a quote from one of the Christian Orthodox Desert Fathers, Saint Theognostos:

"Do not try to embark on the higher forms of contemplation before you have achieved complete dispassion, and do not pursue what lies as yet beyond your reach. Do not pursue theology beyond the limits of your present state of development."

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Is God a Male? (Listener Question) + 50 Shades of Pray, Pt 2 - Episode 3208 Nov 202300:39:56

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On the back of the previous episode, "50 Shades of Pray", we address a listener question.

Erin asks if we think God is a male entity.  

Listen as we attempt to convey our thoughts on the subject, likely bordering on what most consider to be 'sacrilege'.

And then somehow, we end up right back in the middle of 'sexualized christianity'.

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50 Shades of Pray - Episode 3101 Nov 202300:37:00

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Our producer, Duke, came up with this awesome, and fitting, episode title. No, this is not satire.

WTF??  Who knew there was such a thing as the sexualization of God by evangelicals?!?!?

Don't take our word for it - listen to these cringe-worthy excerpts taken from actual pentecostal sermons. Doubtful this was only an 18+ live church audience.

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Changing Views on Transgenderism? (Listener Question) Episode 3025 Oct 202300:42:22

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Erin asks Mason: “Since one of your past lives was female, does that change your views on gender?”

Listen to Nate and Mason's take on this often hot-button topic for many.

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Ordered Steps & Attachments - Episode 2918 Oct 202300:27:26

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While we were sitting in session and reading listener questions, we segued off into a topic near and dear to our hearts - the fact that our steps are ordered. The path is the path, whether it brings pain or pleasure. And we can't be so attached to a specific outcome, that we melt down or suffer when it doesn't happen the way we thought it should.

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Multiple Messiahs? (Listener Question) Episode 2811 Oct 202300:28:28

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We discuss several listener questions:

  1. Many, if not most, cultures have a messianic figure. 
    • Does this change the sovereignty of Jesus Christ? 
    • And if so, how do modern Christians, overlook this historical fact?
    • Where does blind faith come in?

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Blessings and Cursings - Episode 2704 Oct 202300:41:50

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What you say paired with your intent has the power to bless or curse. Call it prayer, meditation, an incantation, a curse, a spell, a mantra, an affirmation - words with motive have power.

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"Under All is the Land" (Misc Musings Pt 4) Episode 2627 Sep 202300:46:45

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The National Association of REALTOR®s has a code of ethics which states up front, "Under All is the Land."

Land (earth) is the very foundation of mankind.

We've lost our physical and emotional ties to the land due to one reason or another. And in the process, our physical bodies have suffered due to disconnect with the actual dirt beneath our feet. We dishonor those who went before us, whose blood, sweat, and tears is in the land.

Cody Johnson has a song called "Dirt Cheap" where big city developers try to buy an old man's acreage, which isn't for sale at any price because of his love for the land and what it represents.

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When you have to slice off pieces of yourself to fit (Conversation with Tai Goodwin, Pt 1) Episode 6702 Oct 202400:26:24

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"I'm talking to those people who are struggling, who've not gotten your questions answered, who when they've asked questions have been told to be quiet, who have suffered mistreatment, abuse, and all other kinds of horrible things in the name of church and the bible and god and gotten no relief. And I'm also talking to those of us who felt like they had to slice pieces of ourselves off to fit in a baptismal pool, but still feel broken, feeling rejected, feeling lost."

We speak with Tai Goodwin about being raised in the church, but finding her way "out" later in life. And just what it meant during meditation to hear the question, "What if we never saw you as anything other than whole?" 

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The Kingdom of Nothing (Misc Musings Pt 3) Episode 2520 Sep 202300:36:14

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We talk politics: Are most Boomers consumers? Is there greed in DC? Have our elected officials lost touch with the everyday citizen? Taxpayers pay, and the elite pad their pockets.

We talk religion: modern day religions often mirror government and institute similar controls.

We think heathenry may be the answer :)

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Common Threads & "Capitalism" (Misc Musings Pt 2) Episode 2413 Sep 202300:27:39

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We discuss multiple things in this episode. 

  1. There's a common thread throughout all religions - that your ego needs to be 'weakened'. Even the apostle Paul said 'I die daily'. It's a struggle to be present in the moment, to have oneself under control.
  2. In the past, our ancestors put their blood, sweat, and tears into their land so that their future generations would always have a place to live, to work, to produce and be secure. But most people today aren't tied to the land anymore and give up this heritage in exchange for money.

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When You're a Heathen (Misc Musings Pt 1) Episode 2306 Sep 202300:36:04

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The Rettals' brothers discuss multiple topics, including on how their podcast has affected them in their everyday lives, both positively and negatively. 

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Find the divinity within (Reincarnation, Kinda Pt 5) Episode 2230 Aug 202300:33:25

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Like a thimble of ocean water contains the essence of the ocean, the fullness of the ocean, (yet is not the whole ocean), so does our spirit contain the very essence of God, universe, whatever you call it.

Find the divinity within yourself so you can be what you're meant to be.

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