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This week, Jake and Bob begin a two part series on desire and how it relates to sin. They discuss how sin arises from a desire for good and how our woundedness shapes these patterns of sin. Rather than suppressing our desires, Jake and Bob reflect on the goodness of desire and the importance of rightly ordering it through prayer. Through personal stories and movie references, they end by walking you through practical ways to identify the holy desires beneath your struggles.
Key Points:
Behind every disordered desire is a holy desire, an unmet need, an unhealed wound, and a hidden pattern of sin.
Sin arises from a desire for the good
Every time we experiencing longing, we are experiencing a desire for God
To stop patterns of sin, we must first recognize the underlying desire
Self reliance is the false belief that the satisfaction of our deepest desires is completely up to us.
Desire is an essential element of the Christian life.
God desires our wholehearted devotion and places desire on our hearts so we seek and love Him
Movies, music, and stories can reveal and awaken our deepest desires. They show us what moves our hearts and what we deeply long for.
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Philosophy and Healing w/ Fr. Matthew Rolling
Episode 139
Wednesday, October 1, 2025 • Duration 01:11:36
This week, Jake and Bob welcome Fr. Matthew Rolling to the show to discuss healing through the lens of Thomistic philosophy. The path to healing isn’t a straight path and sometimes our experiences in life cloud our perception of reality. Fr. Matthew explains why philosophy helps us find truth and how it can redirect us when we become confused within our healing journeys. They also explore how sin affects healing, the role of our passions, and the importance of grace.
Key Points:
Philosophy helps us find the truth about reality
Not all questions can be answered by human reason alone
The human person is a union of body and soul
We should not let our experiences define our reality
Our desires have the ability to lead us towards what is inherently good
Grace perfects nature, it does not destroy it
Resources:
The Glorious Freedom of the Children of God by Fr. Matthew Rolling (Available soon for purchase here)
00:09:08 The Error of Experiences Defining Reality
00:15:44 Understanding the Human Person as Body and Soul
Sports, Athletics & Faith (Part 3) w/ Fr. Burke Masters and Trevor Williams
Episode 138
Wednesday, September 17, 2025 • Duration 01:08:06
This week, Jake and Bob conclude their series on athletics by welcoming Fr. Burke Masters, the baseball priest, and Trevor Williams, the Washington Nationals pitcher, to the show! Together they discuss finding your identity in Christ when your job is about performing well, evangelizing as a professional athlete, and how sports can aid you in becoming a better Christian. Fr. Burke and Trevor also share how God led them to athletics, the story of how they met, and play a fun game with Jake and Bob at the end of the episode.
Key Points:
Even when our jobs demand we perform well, our core identity is as beloved children of God, not in what we do or achieve.
True humility is revealed in how we respond both to success and to failure, not just in our losses.
Integrating faith and sports means living out Christian values and witness in every context, not separating religious life from professional or competitive arenas.
Authentic evangelization often emerges through genuine relationships, presence, and consistency of character, more than through words alone.
Practice, discipline, and perseverance in sports mirror the virtues needed in the spiritual life.
The tension between ambition and surrender is navigated by directing all striving and success toward God’s glory rather than personal gain.
Regular self-examination and reflection help transform both athletic and spiritual setbacks into opportunities for growth.
Balancing vocations—such as career and family—requires intentional boundaries and prioritization of what truly matters.
This week, Jake and Bob continue their series on athletics, and welcome Bart Schuchts, a former D1 football player, to the podcast. Bart reflects on how athletics shaped his self-identity, beliefs, and relationships from childhood through his adult life. They also discuss sports culture, fear based coaching, and the fine line between healthy competition and idolizing sports. Ultimately, when approached with balance and intention, athletics can foster deep connection, personal growth, and spiritual insight that extends far beyond the game itself, enriching every aspect of life.
Key Points:
Athletic achievement is often tied to receiving love, affirmation, and attention in families, especially when there are older siblings who excel in sports.
Sports can become an idol when one’s entire sense of self-worth and identity is defined by performance and recognition.
Sports teaches “conditional love,” when praise and acceptance are contingent on athletic success.
A coach’s coaching style can establish either a positive, formative atmosphere or contribute to wounding dynamics.
The question “Am I lovable?” is often unconsciously brought to sports, and how one seeks to answer that can drive them to healthy mastery of athletics or unhealthy obsession.
Healthy participation in sports fosters union and belonging. It also highlights both the best and worst ways we seek connection, love, and purpose.
Sports, Athletics & Faith (Part 1) w/ Dr. Nicole Gabana Chiesa
Episode 136
Wednesday, August 20, 2025 • Duration 01:13:28
This week, Jake and Bob begin a series on athletics, diving into the profound ways sports intersect with faith. Today, they are joined by Dr. Nicole Gabana Chiesa, a sports psychologist and former collegiate athlete. Together they explore the beauty of sports and how they can shape one’s identity, foster virtue, and offer opportunities for healing that extend far beyond the playing field. However, athletics present many challenges beyond just physical injury. They also discuss the dangers of over-identifying with athletic success or failure, the impact of parental and societal expectations, and emphasize the importance of rooting one’s identity in God’s unconditional love rather than achievements.
Key Points:
Femininity and masculinity can both find authentic expression through sports
Healthy competition in athletics can foster discipline, humility, perseverance, teamwork, and the pursuit of excellence. Sports also offer an opportunity to practice and learn delayed gratification, sacrifice, and adherence to rules which are virtues that lead to human flourishing
Wounds can arise from sports through idolatry, performance culture, unhealthy comparison, or losing sight of the bigger story beyond the game
Sports rules do not restrict, but rather create the possibility of freedom and meaningful play, much like God’s laws facilitate human flourishing
The identity of athletes can become overly tied to performance and success, leading to struggles or loss of self-worth when results or careers end
Integrating faith and spirituality into sports helps athletes anchor their identity beyond achievement, rooting it in being a beloved child of God
The desire for perfection seen in sports reflects a deeper call toward holiness and striving for spiritual growth
Coaches and mentors play a significant, often formative, role in shaping not just athletic skills, but confidence, character, and motivation
Playfulness and joy in sports are glimpses of the freedom and delight intended for us by God, paralleling receptivity in the spiritual life
This week, Jake and Bob conclude their series on integrating faith with psychology. They welcome Beth Stoll, a therapist from St. Louis, to talk about how an encounter with God’s love at a Healing the Whole Person retreat transformed her practice. She not only shares how suffering creates a greater capacity for empathy but also why therapists who have experienced deep suffering themselves are able to more deeply connect with clients. They also discuss why one must first live a life of faith before integrating faith in their practice, define the difference between praying with and praying for someone, and reflect on the challenges of trusting God rather than our own abilities.
Key Points:
Personal suffering can deepen a therapist's ability to empathize and connect with clients
One must live a life of faith in their personal life before one can integrate it into their practice
As a therapist, it is important to remember Jesus is the one who ultimately heals
Learning to receive and allowing God to work in and through us can be difficult for both therapists and clients
Integration is about encounter with the Lord through the therapist or Him directly
Integrating Faith & Therapy (Part 2) w/ Christopher Lafitte
Episode 134
Wednesday, July 23, 2025 • Duration 01:09:32
This week, Jake and Bob continue their series on integrating faith with psychology and welcome Christopher Lafitte, a Catholic counselor based in Texas. Christopher shares his story of formation, from aspiring engineer to therapist, and about the deep encounter with Christ that shaped his journey. They discuss Christopher’s unique approach to counseling, why loving one another is healing in itself, and how a therapists’ own wounds can become blind spots in their ability to help clients. Throughout all of this, Christopher reflects on how nothing in our lives will make sense apart from the reality we are made for communion with God. So whenever we approach therapy or personal healing, we should always remember Jesus wants to heal us so we can be in relationship with Him.
Key Points:
Our personal healing and ongoing transformation helps us to more effectively help others.
Encountering God’s love is the foundation for true healing. Psychological techniques build upon this foundation.
Nothing in our lives will make sense apart from the reality that we are made for communion with the Lord. Whether we realize it or not all our deepest desires are unique expressions of how we are made to be in communion with Him.
Healing often begins when we encounter profound safety and love. This atmosphere allows deep wounds to surface and be addressed
Therapists’ own healing, awareness of personal wounds, and openness to being transformed are crucial for effective therapy, as their blind spots can affect the client’s healing.
Sometimes the ongoing problems we experience in life, such as anxiety or depression, are rooted in deeper wounds or beliefs. Allowing God into the past experiences that led to the creation of a wound can help transform our current struggles.
The ultimate goal of therapy is helping people grow in freedom to love and fulfil their vocation, not just to alleviate pain.
Most healing is gradual and requires patience and trust in God’s timing.
God heals so we can be in relationship with Him.
Integrating Faith & Therapy (Part 1) w/ Bernhard Streisselberger
Episode 133
Wednesday, July 9, 2025 • Duration 01:05:51
This week, Jake and Bob begin a new series where they welcome therapists from around the world to discuss the integration of faith in psychology, real life lessons learned, and the various methodologies they practice. Today, they are joined by Bernhard Streiselberger, a Professional Counselor from Austria, who specializes in Gestalt therapy and EMDR. Bernhard shares his journey from studying psychotherapy in Austria to being formed in monastic life and how it has shaped his approach to therapy. He also delves into the details of Gestalt therapy and the Immanuel approach, how these methodologies have positively impacted his clients, and why affirmation is a key component in everyone’s healing journey.
Key Points:
The Immanuel approach facilitates a personal encounter with the Lord
Affirmation plays a crucial role in emotional healing
Sometimes we may have spiritual blocks that hinder our healing process
Emotional deprivation experienced in childhood can be healed through affirming relationships in our present lives
Healing, Discipleship and the Heart w/ John Eldredge
Episode 132
Wednesday, June 25, 2025 • Duration 54:56
This week, Jake and Bob are joined by John Eldredge, president of Wild at Heart, to discuss what authentic discipleship looks like in a distracted digital age. They explore the subtle ways constant connectivity and information overload can erode our spiritual focus, hinder intimacy with God, and ultimately fragment our souls. John also shares stories and insights from his own journey, highlights how unchecked busyness can mask deeper wounds or spiritual emptiness, and encourages listeners, with practical advice, to seek genuine communion with Jesus for true restoration.
Key Points:
A true disciple is someone who has fallen in love with Jesus. This love sustains their commitment to following His commands
The internet conditions people against intimacy with God. While the internet is not always be, it is important to recognize its impact on your spiritual life
Intimacy with God requires intentionality and focus, especially when it comes to our phones and computers
Mystery and wonder have been twisted into something negative. In reality, mystery and wonder are a beautiful part of spiritual life
Jesus actively seeks to heal each fragmented part of yourself and continually invites you deeper into relationship with Him
Forgiveness and Spiritual Renewal w/ Fr. John Horn
Episode 131
Wednesday, June 11, 2025 • Duration 01:16:46
This week, Jake and Bob are joined by Fr. John Horn, co-founder of the Institute for Priestly Formation (IPF). Fr. Horn shares details behind how IPF was founded, the significance of St. Ignatius' spiritual exercises in priestly formation, and the beauty of how formation has evolved within the Church. They also discuss the Sacrament of Reconciliation, the importance of addressing the roots of sin, and the heart-level transformation that occurs when we bring our fears to the Lord.
Key Points:
The Institute for Priesthood Formation was founded to address the need for spiritual formation
Confession can become more than just a repetitive listing of sins
It is important to examine our hearts before we go to Confession
Finding the roots of our sin and bringing them to God in Confession can lead us to greater intimacy with Him
Confession can unlock our true selves and thus transform communities
Resources:
The #1 resource is attending an annual silent directed retreat
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00:00:00 Introduction
00:08:43 Sports in Bart’s Life
00:10:44 Sports as an Idol
00:18:55 Finding Our Worth in Sports
00:28:38 The Good and Bad of Sports Culture
00:32:03 Dion Sanders and Work Ethic
00:33:39 Finding the Four Identities of a Human in Sports
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We invite any clergy who are interested in meeting with Christopher to reach out to us here. We will connect with Christopher to see if he has any availability.
San Damiano Ministries | Christopher is the Founder/Executive Director of San Damiano Ministries - a ministry dedicated to healing and forming leaders in the Church.
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