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Coffee’s Powerful Nudge: Caffeine, Crisis, and the Regenerative Solution28 Apr 202600:54:51
Episode 68

Guests: Etelle Higonnet (Director, Coffee Watch) • Sebastian Nielsen (CEO, Slow Forest) • Andrés Montenegro (Sustainability Director, Specialty Coffee Association)

What if your daily cup of coffee is actually a masterclass in resilience?

In this episode of Resilience Gone Wild, host Jessica Morgenthal takes us deep into coffee’s origin story — back to a plant that learned to survive through a brilliant strategy: the nudge. Coffee’s caffeine was nature’s quiet genius: a molecule that repels what harms, attracts what helps, and shapes an ecosystem through subtle influence.

From the Congo Basin to the mountains of Yemen, from pirate seed heists to “penny universities,” and from industrial monocrops to regenerative agroforestry, this is a sweeping story about biology, behavior, and the choices that shape the world beneath our rituals.

Joined by three powerful voices — from human rights advocacy to regenerative supply chains to specialty coffee leadership — Jessica explores how the coffee industry got pulled into extractive, short-term systems… and how it can be nudged back toward resilience.

Episode Overview

Coffee is a plant built for resilience — trees, shade, birds, insects, fungi, and human hands all part of the system. Yet modern production has often stripped away the ecosystem that makes coffee resilient, pushing farmers into fragile monocultures and chemical dependency and lives of struggle.

Etelle Higonnet explains why coffee’s future hinges on agroforestry for biodiversity and for farmer wellbeing and food security. Sebastian Nielsen offers proof from the field that trees are more than “nice to have” — they are protective infrastructure that keeps farms alive through frost, drought, heat, and intense storms. And Andrés Montenegro reminds us that coffee is a language and a “third place,” and that regeneration is a mindset that can apply to business, soil, and society.

Jessica brings it home with practical nudges listeners can use immediately in their daily habits and in the coffee choices that ripple outward into the world.

What You’ll Learn

The Science & History

  • How the coffee plant uses caffeine as a two-pronged nudge: fierce defense and brilliant attraction
  • Why coffee flowers “dose” pollinators and create nature’s most effective referral program
  • How coffee spread through “wild transit” via elephants, bats, birds, and monkeys
  • The dramatic human history of coffee — from dancing goats in Ethiopia to pirate seed heists to the penny universities that fueled the Enlightenment

The Global Crisis & Solutions

  • Why scientists project we could lose half of global coffee crop by 2050 if we stay on our current path
  • The true cost of sun-grown monocultures and why shade-grown, regenerative systems are biologically and economically smarter
  • How global supply chains trap 85% of value in the Global North and what needs to shift upstream to save the farms
  • How regenerative agroforestry protects flavor, yields, biodiversity, farmer food security, and livelihoods with stunning real-world proof from the field
  • How centering the “handprint” of the 1,300+ people behind every shipping container of coffee transforms how we see our morning ritual
  • The hope: what the science says, what pioneers like Sebastian and Etelle are proving, and why the specialty coffee movement matters

The Resilience Lessons & What You Can Do

  • Surprisingly simple nudges for better sleep, sharper focus, and healthier habits that require no willpower
  • Which coffee certifications actually matter, how to find them, and why combined certifications make the biggest difference
  • How your everyday purchasing choices send ripples further than you might imagine
Meet the Guests

Etelle Higonnet is the Director of Coffee Watch, founded to push for reforms in the coffee industry to address abuses like deforestation and forced labor. She has led global environmental and human rights work with Mighty Earth and Greenpeace Southeast Asia, and has conducted research in war zones and post-conflict areas for Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, and others. Etelle is the author of Quiet Genocide and was named Chevalier de l’Ordre National du Mérite in France for her work combatting deforestation and rights abuses.

Sebastian Nielsen is the CEO of Slow Forest, building regenerative value chains for coffee and chocolate through large-scale agroforestry and ecosystem restoration. He leads teams across Africa, Southeast Asia, and Europe, and has pioneered long-term off-take models that enable asset-backed financing for regenerative farms. Slow Forest is recognized in global frameworks and is driving the idea that resilient businesses of the future will restore the ecosystems they depend on.

Andrés Montenegro is the Sustainability Director at the Specialty Coffee Association

(SCA). With 15+ years across private sector, civil society, and government collaborations, Andrés brings a systems view to sustainability — balancing quality, human “handprints,” and regenerative thinking. He’s passionate about helping coffee thrive in tandem with society and the environment.

Tools, Frameworks & Strategies Mentioned
  • The Nudge (nature’s version + personal habit design)
  • “Handprint” thinking (centering the human network behind products)
  • Regenerative systems as a mindset (business, social systems, and agriculture)
  • Agroforestry as protective infrastructure (microclimate, water retention, biodiversity)
  • Consumer nudges through certifications and labeling
  • Visual anchors to trigger habits without willpower
  • Curiosity as a sustainability practice (asking better questions, avoiding overwhelm)
Before You Go

Coffee doesn’t just wake us up — it shows us what resilience looks like when protection is built into the system.

If this episode shifted how you see your morning ritual, share it with someone who loves coffee and cares about the world it comes from. And subscribe so you never miss a resilience lesson from the wild world we share.

Make the resilient choice easier. Stay curious. Stay connected. And above all… stay wild.

Resources

Coffee Watch — coffeewatch.org 

Slow Forest — slowforest.com Specialty Coffee Association — sca.coffee 

Resilience Gone Wild — resiliencegonewild.com 

Listen to more episodes — pod.link/1765376951

Sign up for the Resilience Gone Wild newsletter at resiliencegonewild.com Produced by Kai Sorensen of Balancing Life’s Issues (BLI Studios)

Evolving Your Armor in an Ever-Changing World: What Pangolins Teach Us About Updating Protection and Accepting Help14 Jan 202601:04:55

Episode 67

Evolving Your Armor in an Ever-Changing World: What Pangolins Teach Us About Updating Protection and Accepting Help

Guest: Tim Santel, Retired Special Agent in Charge (SAC), U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service Office of Law Enforcement; Senior Advisor & Media Relations Director, Focused Conservation

What if the very thing that once protected you… is the thing that’s now keeping you stuck? And what happens when the world changes faster than your instincts can?

In this episode of Resilience Gone Wild, host Jessica Morgenthal takes us into the moonlit grasslands of Botswana, following the quiet, deliberate life of the pangolin—a living fossil with nature’s most powerful mammal armor. For more than 60 million years, the pangolin’s perfect defense was simple: curl into an unbreakable ball and wait out danger.

Then humans changed the rules.

Today, pangolins are the most trafficked mammals on Earth. Their scales—made of keratin, the same material as human nails and hair—are sold under false claims of medicinal power, and their meat is treated as a luxury. In a single human generation, the pangolin’s ancient protection became its vulnerability.

Jessica pairs this story with a gripping, grounded interview with Tim Santel, one of the most experienced wildlife trafficking investigators in U.S. history. Tim takes us inside the real-world mechanics of trafficking networks—how wildlife is moved like any other commodity, and why weak penalties and low enforcement capacity make illegal wildlife trade so attractive to criminal syndicates.

The resilience lesson is both tender and urgent: we all carry armor built for earlier seasons of life. Some of it still protects. Some of it now constricts. And sometimes resilience means doing the opposite of what we’ve always done—opening instead of closing, seeking new protection instead of relying only on the familiar.

Episode Overview

The episode opens in Botswana, tracing a pangolin’s sensory world—smell, vibration, memory, instinct—and the intelligence of a creature shaped by time. We learn how pangolins live, how they nurture their young, how they “read” the land, and how their scales evolved into the most formidable natural armor carried by any mammal.

Then the story turns: when human trafficking enters the ecosystem, the pangolin’s perfect curl—once a masterpiece—becomes an easy handle for capture and transport. Jessica reframes this as a human mirror: the coping strategies we built to survive earlier threats may not match the threats we face now.

Jessica welcomes Tim Santel to explore what it takes to protect species whose defenses can’t keep up with rapidly evolving human systems. Tim shares his path into wildlife law enforcement, the “voice for wildlife” moment that guided his career, and what he’s learned from decades of investigations into trafficking networks—from pangolin scales to rhino horns and beyond.

The episode closes with two practical reflection practices to help listeners reassess their own protections, and a call to action to support conservation organizations and on-the-ground enforcement efforts working to keep pangolins—and countless other species—from disappearing.

What You’ll Learn
  • Why the pangolin’s greatest protection became its greatest vulnerability in a human-shaped world
  • How “armor” shows up in our lives (withdrawing, micromanaging, bracing, overworking) and when it stops serving us
  • What global wildlife trafficking networks have in common with other criminal trades—and why wildlife is so profitable
  • The real cost of treating living beings as commodities
  • Why awareness alone isn’t enough—and why frontline teams matter
  • How to update your internal protections with intention, clarity, and courage
  • Two practices for examining what still protects you… and what now constricts you
  • How attention becomes action—and why action becomes hope
Episode Highlights

[00:00] A moonlit pangolin in Botswana—and the question of protection

[02:17] “A new season is opening…” and why this story feels personal

[02:45] Pangolins as living fossils: lineage, mothering, and the world of scent

[05:11] Intelligence as awareness: tremors, heat, memory maps, and escape artistry

[07:34] The quiet architecture of termite mounds—and the pangolin’s role in soil health

[10:01] When humans arrive: trafficking, false beliefs, and endangered collapse

[12:22] The resilience lesson: protections that once served us can later constrict us

[14:58] Welcome Tim Santel: protecting species that can’t protect themselves

[30:48] “When wildlife dies, it doesn’t make a sound…”

[39:39] Why wildlife trafficking is low risk, high profit—and the convergence of criminal networks

[45:46] Pangolins: docile, ancient, and tragically easy to capture

[48:16] The scale of the trade: what thousands of kilos really means

[50:06] Operation Crash: how value multiplies through trafficking layers

[55:41] What helps most: supporting the frontline, not just online opinions

[01:01:47] Closing reflections: two practices to update your protections—and how to help pangolins now

Meet the Guest

Tim Santel is a passionate, results-driven conservation professional with more than 32 years of experience leading some of the most significant criminal investigations into illegal wildlife trafficking in U.S. history. As the retired Special Agent in Charge (SAC) of the Special Investigations Unit for the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service Office of Law Enforcement, Tim led elite investigative teams combating global wildlife trafficking and transnational organized crime—protecting some of the world’s most endangered species.

Today, Tim continues that work as a Senior Advisor and Media Relations Director with Focused Conservation, supporting wildlife crime units across Africa and strengthening real enforcement capacity on the ground.

Tools, Frameworks, or Strategies Mentioned
  • The Pangolin Mirror: noticing when old protections no longer match current threats
  • Update Your Armor Practice #1: revisit one old protection and ask what danger it once served
  • Update Your Armor Practice #2: identify a new threat and name a new protection
  • “Attention → Care → Action” as a resilience pathway
  • Conservation and enforcement capacity-building as collective resilience in action
Closing Insight & CTA

“Sometimes resilience means opening instead of closing.”

If today’s episode opened something in you—clarity, tenderness, courage, or a new willingness to reassess your own armor—please follow, rate, and review Resilience Gone Wild. And share this episode with someone who might need permission to evolve their protections too.

Resource Links

Named in the episode for saving pangolins:

Other organizations working to save pangolins:

Resilience Gone Wild – ResilienceGoneWild.com

Listen to more episodes – pod.link/1765376951

Produced by Balancing Life’s Issues (BLI Studios): balancinglifesissues.com/podcast-bli/

Go With the FLOE: How Polar Bears Stay Steady When Life Keeps Shifting Beneath Them17 Dec 202501:02:22
Episode 66

Guest: Daniel J. Cox, Award-Winning Wildlife Photographer and Director of The Arctic Documentary Project for Polar Bears International

What if resilience during the holidays and shifting seasons isn’t about just holding everything together? How much better would it be to meet each moment and each challenge with calm and ease?

In this episode of Resilience Gone Wild, host Jessica Morgenthal returns to one of her most beloved animals — the polar bear — to explore a resilience mindset that feels especially grounding this time of year. As many of us move through holidays, shifting routines, emotional complexity, and the turning of the year, the polar bear offers a powerful model for meeting change with steadiness rather than strain.

Through immersive storytelling and a deeply thoughtful conversation with legendary wildlife photographer Daniel J. Cox, we explore how polar bears adapt to a world that never stops moving — and what their wisdom can teach us about living with more presence, patience, and trust.

This episode introduces the FLOE Mindset:
 Flexibility
 Letting go
 Observation
 Energy conservation

A resilience tool inspired directly by how polar bears survive and thrive on constantly shifting ice. FLOE is both a metaphor and an acronym — a reminder that life keeps moving beneath us, and we can move with it.

Episode Overview

The episode opens on the Arctic ice, where Jessica revisits the story of a polar bear mother navigating a landscape that is always in motion. Her calm, strategic adaptability becomes the foundation for the FLOE Mindset — a way of meeting uncertainty that feels especially meaningful during the holiday season and the transition into a new year.

Jessica then welcomes wildlife photographer Daniel J. Cox, whose decades of documenting polar bears and Arctic ecosystems have shaped how millions of people understand these animals. Through Dan’s stories, we explore the discipline of waiting, the humility of stepping out of the frame, the ethics of witnessing, and the awe that emerges when we stop pushing and start paying attention.

The episode closes with a reflection on practicing FLOE in daily life — slowing down, conserving energy, making small adjustments, and choosing gentler transitions. It also includes a call to support the conservation efforts that allow polar bears to survive the rapidly changing Arctic.

What You’ll Learn

• The FLOE Mindset: Flexibility, Letting Go, Observation, Energy Conservation
 • Why polar bears are masters of calm, strategic adaptation
 • How patience and presence guide both resilience and wildlife photography
 • Why attention determines what we protect
 • How to soften seasonal transitions and holiday pressures with practical micro-adaptations
 • How awe strengthens clarity, steadiness, and connection
 • What polar bears reveal about navigating a world where conditions can change overnight
 • Why protecting polar bears is a crucial part of protecting resilience in nature

Episode Highlights

[00:00] Intro: shifting seasons, the holidays, and returning to a favorite resilience story
 [02:00] The polar bear as a master of adaptation
 [06:50] Stillness, waiting, and energy conservation in the den
 [08:30] Introducing Daniel J. Cox — awe, patience, and presence
 [10:00] The Arctic in real time: warming, loss of ice, and what Dan is witnessing
 [13:00] Seeing through an animal’s eyes: humility and respect
 [16:45] Dan’s origin story: the deer, the challenge, and the first spark
 [20:00] Ethical storytelling: why disappearing from the narrative matters
 [22:40] Why animals always lose when humans push too far
 [33:00] Sea ice, seals, and the entire Arctic food system
 [45:40] Inside the den: what most people never see
 [56:42] Dan’s closing wisdom: stay, watch, witness
 [58:00] Jessica’s FLOE reflections for holidays, transitions, and new beginnings

Awakening Our Soulful Intelligence: What the Octopus — and Sy Montgomery — Know03 Dec 202501:10:41
Episode 65 Awakening Our Soulful Intelligence: What the Octopus — and Sy Montgomery — Know Guest: Sy Montgomery, author of The Soul of an Octopus

What if resilience doesn’t come from thinking harder or pushing faster, but from listening more deeply to the intelligence that already lives within us?

In this episode of Resilience Gone Wild, host Jessica Morgenthal explores the quiet, embodied wisdom of the giant Pacific octopus—and how soulful intelligence can help us navigate our own lives with more clarity, connection, and compassion. Joined by Sy Montgomery, bestselling author of The Soul of an Octopus, we step into a world where intelligence is fluid, intuitive, relational, and alive in every moment.

Episode Overview

In “Soulful Intelligence,” Jessica takes us into the cool stillness of a Northern Pacific kelp forest to meet the giant Pacific octopus—an animal whose distributed, sensory-rich intelligence reveals a different way of knowing the world. Through vivid storytelling, we witness how octopuses perceive, choose, communicate, and relate with a depth that challenges human assumptions about consciousness.

This exploration becomes the foundation for a rich conversation with Sy Montgomery, who expands our understanding of soul, presence, and cross-species connection. Through Sy’s stories—of octopuses, dolphins, turtles, caterpillars, dogs, and the living Earth itself—we learn how soulful intelligence deepens resilience, awakens awe, and invites us into a more relational way of being.

The result is an episode that reconnects us to our own inner wisdom, to the creatures who share our planet, and to the subtle intelligence that thrives everywhere life is paying attention.

What You’ll Learn
  • How the giant Pacific octopus models soulful intelligence through presence, perception, and attunement
  • Why soulful intelligence integrates mind, body, intuition, values, and relationships
  • How slowing down expands our ability to sense meaning and choose wisely
  • What Sy Montgomery has learned about consciousness and soul from octopuses, turtles, pink dolphins, chimps, and caterpillars
  • Why love and curiosity are powerful tools of inquiry in science and in life
  • How awe, reverence, and “beginner’s mind” build resilience and restore connection
  • How small acts of mending—of relationships, ecosystems, and daily choices—strengthen both the world and our own internal steadiness
Episode Highlights

[00:00] Intro

 [02:00] Distributed intelligence: sensing, learning, and decision-making across the body

 [04:00] Camouflage as expression: color, texture, emotion, and attunement

 [06:50] A quiet greeting: two octopuses meet with curiosity

 [08:50] Defining soulful intelligence

 [11:15] Why soulful intelligence strengthens resilience

Conversation with Sy Montgomery

 [12:21] Welcoming Sy: the writer who opened the world to octopus consciousness

 [14:00] Sy’s octopus teachers: Athena, Octavia, Kali, and Karma

 [16:10] Soul as connection to the rest of creation

 [18:25] Why naming animals changed the science of behavior

 [22:39] Jane Goodall, Dian Fossey, Biruté Galdikas, and the revolution of relational science

 [27:07] Scar tissue, resilience, and the sacredness of mending

 [33:01] The living Earth, Gaia, and the soul of the planet

 [35:06] Awe, reverence, and the responsibility of connection

 [37:36] Mending as antidote to helplessness

 [49:20] How humans silence their own intuition—and how to restore it

 [53:49] Being massaged by pink dolphins: a story of cross-species soul

 [56:42] The feedback loop of doing good

 [59:16] Caterpillars, memory, and the persistence of soul

 [01:02:10] Closing reflections: the intelligence that waits beneath our first thoughts

Meet the Guest

Sy Montgomery is a naturalist, bestselling author, and one of the world’s most beloved interpreters of animal consciousness. Her book The Soul of an Octopus was on the New York Times Bestseller List, was a National Book Award finalist, and reshaped public understanding of invertebrate sentience. Sy has written 39 books about animals—from hawks to pink dolphins to turtles—illuminating the relationships that remind us we are part of a living, soulful, interconnected world. Her work invites readers to listen more deeply, love more broadly, and honor the wisdom that exists beyond human boundaries.

Tools, Frameworks, or Strategies Mentioned
  • Soulful Intelligence: alignment of values, intuition, sensation, and meaning
  • Distributed Intelligence in Octopuses
  • Beginner’s Mind in cross-species connection
  • Awe as a tool for resilience
  • Mending as a daily practice of healing
  • The Sphere of Influence: acting where energy can truly make a difference
  • Gaian consciousness and interconnected living systems
Closing Insight & CTA

“Soulful intelligence grows in the space between stimulus and response—the pause long enough for our deeper knowing to rise.”

If this episode opened something in you, share it with someone who may be searching for more meaning, more connection, or a more soulful way of navigating their life. Follow, rate, and review Resilience Gone Wild to help these stories ripple outward.

Resource Links

Sy Montgomery – https://symontgomery.com/

 The Soul of an Octopus – Available wherever books are sold

 Resilience Gone Wild – https://resiliencegonewild.com/

 Listen to more episodes – https://pod.link/J4yd77

 Produced by: Balancing Life’s Issues (BLI Studios) – https://balancinglifesissues.com/podcast-bli/

the whisper of light through kelp, the subtle information carried by the water itself. Her world is built from details we often rush past, and her wisdom rises from a kind of quiet listening that begins long before action. And that’s where today’s story begins. In a place where intelligence doesn’t rush, it simply breathes. Where awareness flows through every part of the body. Where a creature teaches us something humans often forget.

that there is a deeper way to know the world and a deeper way to know ourselves. I’m Jessica Morgenthau, and this is Resilience Gone Wild, where we explore how nature’s quiet brilliance can help us care more deeply for ourselves, for each other, and for the wild world we all share. Today, we’re stepping gently into the world of the giant Pacific octopus to explore soulful intelligence.

Transcript:


Speaker 1 (00:03.758)
Inside the cool stillness of a rocky den in the Northern Pacific, something extraordinary is happening. Quietly, slowly, almost invisibly. A being waits here, not in fear, not in hiding. She is intentional, attuned, present. If you pause long enough, you can almost sense what she senses. The faint shift of a current.

a form of inner wisdom that can strengthen our resilience in ways that reconnect us to what matters most.

Speaker 1 (01:35.662)
The afternoon light softens as it filters down through the kelp forest, turning the water into a slow-moving tapestry of greens and golds. This is her place, a quiet stretch of the Northern Pacific where cold, oxygen-rich water, drifting kelp shadows, and deep rock crevices create the perfect refuge for a giant Pacific octopus.

Speaker 1 (02:02.306)
Beneath the basalt ledge, she rests, eight arms loosely folded, mantle rising and falling as water moves across her gills. Her siphon makes a faint pulse with each exhale. Two dark, forward-facing eyes, shaped much like our own, watch the flicker of shifting light. From a distance, she seems still. Up close, she is quietly awake. Her world is built from subtle information.

Tiny shifts in current, faint chemical traces, the pressure wave of something moving nearby. Nearly 2,000 suckers line her arms, each able to taste and feel at the same time. Her arms, each containing clusters of neurons, make small decisions right where sensation happens, while her central brain integrates everything into something more. Judgment, learning, interpretation.

Scientists understand much of how she senses her world, and they’re increasingly recognizing something else in her behavior too, a thoughtful awareness that goes beyond simple reflex. There is a soulful intelligence in the way she pauses, senses, and responds, as if each moment carries meanings that rise from more than her senses alone. She slips an arm out of her den, then a second, then a third. Each moves with unhurried purpose, curling over a rock,

through crevices, along sand. Giant Pacific octopuses grow astonishingly fast, from hatchlings the size of grains of rice to powerful adults in just a few years. And the only way to manage a life like that is to learn constantly. Where food hides, what patterns matter, how currents carry clues. A crab scrapes faintly across stone. She tastes its chemical signature in the water before she ever sees it. Her eyes narrow slightly.

adjusting to the murky green light. Two arms flow outward with practice coordination. A smooth capture. Her beak, hidden beneath the soft web of her arms, makes quick, precise work of the shell. When she’s done, she uses her siphon to blow the empty fragments out of her den in a neat scatter, a kind of housekeeping that keeps her space clear. Above her, the kelp forest sways. Small fish thread through the fronds. Sunlight flickers in the patterns she has learned to read.

Speaker 1 (04:27.49)
Her skin shifts to match the moment, the mottled brown of stone, the softened pattern of kelp shadow. Chromatophores contract and expand beneath her skin, altering color in milliseconds, while tiny muscles raise or smooth her texture to mirror the rocks around her. Camouflage is not only concealment, it’s a way of showing her state, calm, alert, curious, content. There are nearly 300 species of octopus.

Caribbean reef octopuses, common octopuses, tiny pygmy species, drifting Dumbo octopuses, and the giant Pacific octopus, the largest of all, stands apart. Octopuses have been on Earth for over 300 million years, the Pacific octopus just 2 million. They live in colder waters, have broader bodies, longer arms, exceptional strength, and an especially striking blend of problem-solving, flexibility,

and individuality. Divers describe them as calm or bold, shy or playful, patient or impulsive. Personality is not a stretch, it’s an observation. A flicker enters her peripheral vision. A young octopus drifts between the kelp blades, smaller bodied, thinner armed, still learning the control of its colors. The juvenile male carries the beginnings of what will one day become the species specialized arm, the hecticotilus, used during mating.

She registers him without alarm. Giant Pacific octopuses are solitary, yet solitude does not mean disconnection. Territories can overlap at the edges, and when encounters happen, they can be surprisingly nuanced. The two octopuses pause, holding a few arm lengths of water between them. Her colors soften into a calm, steady pattern. The juvenile’s flickering settles into a gentle speckle. They assess. They wait.

they choose their next move. Octopuses communicate through posture, texture, color changes, and faint shifts in pressure. And embodied language scientists are still decoding. In this moment, both animals are reading cues. Size, intent, comfort, possibility. She extends one arm, slow, deliberate. Her leading suckers taste the water before they reach anything solid. A light touch to one of the juvenile’s arms.

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not a grab, a greeting. The younger octopus responds with a small curl of his own arm, a brief mutual acknowledgement, before gliding back into the kilp. Simple, yes, still meaningful, a quiet moment of connection between two conscious beings navigating the same forest. Her life includes choices like this every day, some quick, some contemplative, some, like meeting, brief and careful.

And the most profound comes at the end of her life, laying tens of thousands of eggs, tending them without leaving her den, gently blowing water across them for months, cleaning and protecting them until they hatch. She does not eat during this time. Her body slowly fades. She dies soon after they emerge. It is one of nature’s most striking acts of devotion. Presence, patience, and purpose expressed through a being whose intelligence lives throughout her body.

Back in the kelp forest, a seal passes overhead. She darkens instantly, warning red, and then slowly eases back into calm as the water settles. She evaluates, she waits, she resets when she’s ready. This is her world, alive with signals, choices, interactions, memory, and awareness. Her intelligence is not contained in a single brain or expressed through words. It is distributed, embodied, relational.

a form of consciousness scientists are still working to understand. And woven through her movements is the deep quality at the heart of our episode today. A kind of soulful intelligence, a flexible, attentive inner awareness that shapes how she moves through her place, meets other beings, and makes sense of each moment with curiosity, intention, and quiet depth.

Speaker 1 (08:50.872)
Soulful intelligence has a quiet power. It’s the form of inner wisdom that rises when we pause long enough to listen beneath our first thoughts and our first feelings. It comes from a deeper place, our values, our compassion, our intuition, our relationships, our sense of meaning and purpose. And in many ways, the giant Pacific octopus gives us a glimpse of what this kind of intelligence feels like in motion. Our giant Pacific octopus friend moves through her world

with this kind of presence. She tastes the currents before choosing a direction. She shifts her colors, patterns, textures, and shape in ways that reflect her inner state. Calm, anxious, alert, and sometimes slips into the background by mimicking the world around her. She approaches a young octopus with steady curiosity rather than fear. Each decision rises from a whole body understanding of the moment. Thoughtful, attuned, and deeply integrated.

Soulful intelligence is this deeper integration. It happens when awareness, intuition, compassion, and meaning come together. It’s not just IQ or EQ, not just what we think or feel. It’s the kind of knowing that moves from the inside out, even before we have words for it. It sounds like this choice matters. This connection deserves care. I want to act from who I truly am. This is a moment to slow down and listen.

Soulful intelligence is the alignment of head, heart, gut, values, and relationships. It steadies the system, it softens reactivity, it strengthens discernment, and it guides us toward decisions that feel grounded and true. The giant Pacific octopus shows this so clearly. She reminds us that intelligence does not have to be fast, loud, or analytical. It can be spacious, relational, and steady. It can emerge from quiet pauses, from sensing widely.

from allowing internal wisdom to rise in its own time. Her way of living teaches us that resilience is not only about recovering, it’s about responding with integrity. It’s about moving forward in ways that honor our values and our connections. It’s about letting our deeper knowing, not fear, not urgency, not habit, shape our choices. And so her lesson becomes simple and profound. Trust your soulful intelligence. Let it steady you.

Speaker 1 (11:15.298)
Let it guide you towards choices that honor your values, your relationships, and your deeper sense of meaning. And recognize that your quietest wisdom often speaks the most clearly when you give it space. And that brings us to our conversation. Because when we talk about soulful intelligence, about awareness, intuition, connection, and the deeper ways a being can know the world, there is no one better to explore this with than Sy Montgomery. Sy has spent her life listening to the inner worlds of animals.

She’s written about them with a tenderness and clarity that helps us see consciousness, emotion, and relationships where we once saw only instinct. And in the soul of an octopus, she opened a door for so many of us, revealing the depth, the mystery, and the undeniable presence inside these extraordinary beings. To help us step even further into this story, into this way of understanding intelligence and connection, I am absolutely thrilled to welcome back my friend, Sy Montgomery.

Speaker 1 (12:21.07)
So I am so, so excited to welcome you back, Cy. So welcome, Cy Montgomery, back to Resilience Gone Wild. This is such a highlight for me to get to have this conversation with you about things that just so light me up and you so light me up. We’re in season two of doing this, and I hope that we do this for like decades to come. We are gonna talk octopus and we’re gonna talk soul.

And soulful intelligence is, as far as I’m concerned, like kind of a newish concept that I’m so excited to expand and make part of people’s lives. And you are the, obviously the perfect person to bring this forth with me. I’m just so thrilled. So welcome, Sai, welcome, welcome back in your jacket and you’re up in.

in New Hampshire and like how beautiful it is to have you here. So yeah, it’s for those who don’t know you, you want to give a just a little background on why I’m so excited to have you here.

Yeah, well, I’m the author of now 39 books. They’re all nonfiction, they’re all about animals, and they’re all about our relationships with the other creatures on this earth.

And I’m just going to put it out there that you are the really important starting point for this journey that I’m on. I, you know, meeting the turtles came after I read Soul of an Octopus. And Soul of an Octopus put a completely different perspective on the depth of connection that we can have and need to have with nonhumans, with the rest of this joyful

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incredible, wise world that we live in. And I just like it brought soul to me and it brought deep connection, it brought love and I’m just that’s who you are to me. So thank you for because you brought this beginning of this new this chapter of my life to me. And I got to and for those who don’t know, I got to meet Sai in person, which is so hard these days, right? To like meet people in person, I chased her down at a book tour.

a years ago, a number of years ago, and when you were touring around your new turtle book, at the time it was your new turtle book, and you’ve put out the paperback since then and gone on, I think, quite a few book tours since then. Last time we spoke, you were headed out to swim with the Manta Rays in Ecuador, and I’m actually headed to the Galapagos soon, so I’ll be thinking of you there.

And I’m so excited to catch up and to have this conversation about what relationship we really need to understand that we can have with each other and with every species on Earth, whether plant, animal, fungi, force of nature, whatever.

I am thrilled. A lot of people were really surprised when my 2015 book came out and it was called The Soul of an Octopus because soul and octopus were two words that didn’t usually appear together. know, mean, octopuses, as you well know, are more closely related to clams and snails. They’re actually in the same phylum. They are mollusks, although they don’t have shells. Such a thing was not thought.

possess a soul. But the octopuses who I met in researching that book, which I spent about three years getting to know octopuses personally, showed me that if I have a soul, octopuses have a soul. And you can meet someone so different from you that you’d have to go to outer space or science fiction to find someone that

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different from a human. know, no bones can taste with their skin, three hearts, blue blood, detachable arms that can go off and do stuff, the equivalent of nine brains, only live a few years, have hundreds and thousands of eggs just at the very end of their lives. So different. And yet, this is someone with whom you can have

a close friendship and the friendship is obvious because they greet you with joy when they see you and treat strangers utterly differently. So this, I think, came so close to naming what you and I and so many of your listeners have known since we were children, that we’re all family and that no matter how different we may look and no matter how much we may celebrate those wonderful differences, I mean,

Who wouldn’t want to taste with all of their skin? Who wouldn’t want to pour their baggy boneless body through an opening the size of an orange? You know, that sounds like a blast. But no matter how different we are, we can still connect in a meaningful way that changes your life. I’m so pleased to be on the show and talk about exactly this thing which is closest to our hearts.

beautiful. You know, what you’re bringing up for me, beyond all the beauty and the joy that you just offered, and that I’m so excited to dig into, is the fact that we measure things the way we know how as humans. So, you know, the differences and the similarities and categorizing phylum and species and defining things in these buckets, in these, these, these is only because, and the way we communicate and how we define communication is all

human construct, right? So it’s only what we know so far. And you’re bringing the concept of soul as such an added, magnificent layer on top of all those boundaries and all those definitions and all that fact, part of the mollusc family. it’s so, honestly, it feels so meaningless when, yesterday I spent many hours listening to you and on the audible, on the.

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the audible version, not an audible on my library, but version of Soul of an Octopus. Because I just needed to hear your voice and your incredible energy telling the stories of your experience with Athena and with all of your friends that you made at such a deep level and had such an impact on you. And that you sought this relationship and it came easily because of the soul that you bring forth when you offer a relationship. And you know, it just…

It just, the boundaries of human category, categorization and fact and all that just disappear when I listen to you. And so I cannot recommend enough that anyone who’s listening to this immediately get on their phone, get the book, it’s available for sale and it’s available in libraries, which thank you, and just start listening to Sai speak joyfully about and deeply and soulfully about her relationship with

every animal that she studied and certainly with her friends the octopus. Octopus is not octopus.

Yes, thank you. you. Now you’re in. When you say octopuses instead of octopi, that’s like the secret handshake into the octopus intelligentsia.

funny. I want to start by actually asking you how you came about the title to offer it as the soul of an octopus. It is such a nebulous, hard to connect with when you’ve got a nonfiction book, right? Like you’re combining these two things that are so complex and seem contradictory but to me and to you are so not, right? What soul really means to you? Because I just I study it and I think about it a lot and I can’t wait to chat with you about it.

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Soul is one of those things like consciousness that people argue about what it means. Subtitle of my book was a surprising…

Did on yours on your poster.

Sorry, surprising exploration into the wonder of consciousness. And there are some scientists and philosophers who say that we do not possess consciousness, that it is made up. And so, of course, nobody has it. Others say, well, only humans have it, animals don’t have it. Others say that the whole earth, both that we consider animate and that we consider inanimate, rocks and trees and waters, has a soul.

Well, to me, the soul is that holy, sacred, indestructible part of us that connects us to the rest of creation. And the title, although it took a lot of people aback when it came back and when it came out, in the 10 years since, it has proved even more apt because in those 10 years since publication of Soul of an Octopus, I’ve written three other books about octopus, some for children, one for adults.

What strikes me the most is that my octopus friends, Athena, Octavia, Kali and Karma, although they have been dead for 10 years or more, they only live three to five years, they’re still out there walking in the world. They are still out there making connections and changing people’s hearts and minds. And if that is not evidence for a powerful soul.

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I don’t know what is. That is the kind of immortality.

happened to me of Jane Goodall, who we lost recently, whose soul is really coming forth in a lot of social media and a lot of content, media content that’s out there right now, because she just brought this soul forward and it will be with us. And her impact through her soulful work will be with us for hopefully forever. And it’s just like Athena. And I mean, there are some humans who, to me, bring that same connection. And it’s unique. And you do it.

So anyway, she was.

She and her two scientific sisters, Dianfossi and Birutegaldikas, were the subject of my first book back in 1991.

I did not know that. Okay, it’s my next book to put on my pile. Tell us about that actually, if you don’t mind.

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Well, this was the title was Walking with the Great Apes, Jane Goodall, Dian Fossey and Brutigas. What it was, I mean, it’s often billed as a triple biography, but it wasn’t really that. What it was was a biography of their relationships with their study animals, because those relationships, that was what really made their work change the whole field of the study of animals. Before that, there’d been a number of

really intrepid, intelligent, innovative people who had gone into the field to try to study the lives of humankind’s closest relatives, chimps, gorillas, and orangutans. But those people, all of the men, because Jane went into the field in 1960 and women did not do this in 1960, they did not name their study animals. They numbered them like rocks. That was what you did in science. And not only that,

They stayed for a little bit of time, tried to steal glimpses of the animals because generally the animals will run away when they see you. You’re a horrifying stranger and they’re going to leave. But what Jane did and Diane and Barute was they offered themselves to the animals saying, here I am. I am harmless and I wait. I wait until you are ready to reveal yourself to me. And these women loved their animals. They named their animals. Jane Goodall’s first book. I’m sorry.

this was long before she wrote a book, but her first paper in which she showed that chimpanzees used tools back in a time when humankind was defined as the only creature that made tools. We now know, by the way, that even fish and insects used tools, but this was the first time no one wanted to publish this groundbreaking paper because she named her animals instead of numbering them.

Well, she was also putting forth a statement that humans were not officially above all in all ways to any other creature, right?

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But I don’t think that’s why they didn’t, their problem was not that they didn’t want to believe that chimps use tools. Their problem was that she wasn’t formatting the paper correctly. Jane was all about, and so was Diane, and so was Birute, not about how does the chimpanzee behave, but how does that chimpanzee behave when faced with this situation, just like you would study individual people.

Got it. that’s so funny.

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No anthropologist would go into a society and just number the people. The first thing would be to find out who’s who and where are they in the, you know, the power structure of that group. Because as Jane showed, as well as Diane and Berute, each chimp can have as large an impact on his or her community as a human might have in their community. And this completely

upended the way ethology was done. And further, and this is something no one ever seems to mention, but I think is really important, because these women fell in love with their friends and were devoted to them. They didn’t leave after one year or two. Diane stayed till she was murdered by a poacher’s machete. And Jane Goodall was still going back to Gombe. And Ruthie Galdakas is continuing her study in Indonesian Borneo. So,

They didn’t just go in and get a glimpse. They devoted decades. And it was after over a decade of studying the chimpanzees of Gombe that Jane discovered that they too, like humans, wage war. They continued to surprise her with new behaviors because she stuck it out with that group. And that was because she loved them. So love is in my mind as important

tool of inquiry, your intellect and all your scientific background. Bring your whole heart, everything you are, to your study is an important tool of inquiry. And that doesn’t mean you bring in blinders. It doesn’t mean that you need something back from these animals. You don’t need for them to give something back on human terms. I’ve certainly found that with a lot of animals that I’ve worked with. You can’t ask them for something back.

What they’re giving you back is they’re showing you their lives. What greater gift can there be? So don’t ask for human currency.

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Yeah, I mean, your book about hawks and creatures that we expect to have this relationship or will be welcomed, you know, that we should be part of other creatures community. But who are we? Like there’s this, you have this beautiful way of speaking and telling stories in your books that show these boundaries that like we are not above. So we are not necessarily welcomed into every way in the way we want. We need to wait.

for that soul connection and that trust if it ever comes and to put ourselves in that place where we are for them as opposed to for us.

Right. It’s always on their terms because you’re entering into their world.

Yeah, that’s so special. And to me, soul just keeps coming out like this and what I call soulful intelligence, you know, that there’s this completely different energy. And that’s about energy to me. Like, you know, there’s this intellect, you know, the numbering of the of the individuals and the group that you’re studying doesn’t give identity. But when you start to name and you give identity, which and I was an identity consultant. So I love this stuff to to those you study.

it breeds a completely different relationship with love and soul and connection, as opposed to the disconnect of writing down facts, right? And everything you do, that comes so clearly to me, I mean, your book about your incredible pig and the different type of relationship that you had with him, because you were connecting on a soul level, not on a master…

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you know, owner or even friend level, there was just something much higher about it. Can you go into like how you feel about the soul? mean, because I’m sure it’s not only the octopus that you feel this connection to their soul, because the way you speak about every species, like you see their souls and you want them to see yours. That’s how it feels like it comes out.

Well, I go into all these relationships with beginner’s mind without bringing my wants or needs to it. I’m just completely open. Whatever they show me, I’m completely grateful for. even if it’s particularly, in fact, if it’s something you don’t expect, you love to be surprised by the world and the differences and the sameness are both delightful in different ways. So it’s kind of like,

Namaste, you know, I greet the God within you. I greet the holiness within you. There’s a wonderful saying attributed to Thales of Miletus who was a pre-Socratic Greek philosopher and he is reported to have said, although I don’t think anyone had him on mic at the time, the universe is alive and has fire in it and is full of gods. And to me, what that says as I pet my dog here is

that the universe is just incandescent with life, with soul, and it is far more sacred and holy than we realize.

What do those words bring to you? I mean, to me, it’s so much greater than heart or mind. It’s such a larger energy field of life. Yeah.

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I think it’s a connection. We really are connected to everything around us on our earth. I mean, we are also connected to the mountains and the rivers and the sea and the clouds. And a lot of cultures allow the landscape to be seen as a soul as well. And in some places such as New Zealand, they have granted legal rights.

to rivers and forests and trees. Not all of them, but some of them. doesn’t that happen? mean, instead of using our rivers and ocean as an open sewer, wouldn’t it be great if instead we consider them holy and consider them alive?

Doesn’t matter.

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I just did a, actually dropping today, an episode about dragons and mythical dragons among other types of dragons. And they embody, and I think embodiment is a really important word here, embody the rain and the movement and the storms and natural forces that humans need in their life. And there’s just something that raises that whole feeling to a spiritual and soulful level beyond the factual, need,

water for irrigation or whatever it is.

Right, commodification of… Think of this, until pretty recently in human history, we commodified other humans. We kept humans as slaves. And of course, we now like to say enslaved people, but then they didn’t think of the people for it. They just thought of, you know, you were a tractor, you know, you were a cottage. And the fact that this happened so recently, it’s…

just right in the rear view mirror. We have to keep reminding ourselves that this is really destructive, bad way to view anything. And it’s a terrible way to view animals. It’s a terrible way to view our oceans, our waters, our air. And now that we’re understanding more about our own human bodies,

that our bodies are actually collections of other living things, that there are more living other species on it than the human being that we think of as ourselves. The whole Gaia hypothesis that the earth itself is alive really is completely sensible because the

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Earth is alive, it does have its own lungs, it does have its own circulations, and just like a person who’s been smoking and drinking and doing drugs, our planet, because of our pollution, is now being sick. And we’re part of, literally part of the planet, the same way our gut bacteria is part of us.

And we’re getting those same sicknesses because we are all part of one. We’re creating it, we’re getting them. Yeah, it’s such an important construct around the deep connection that we have and how we cannot disconnect no matter how hard we try and how we have tried to. We know too much now to go back and to say we’re not connected. And the denial of it drives me crazy. This is why we’re here, we’re working on it, right?

So would you say, like, I don’t know what’s coming up for you around the soul of the earth. Like, I’m so enamored by the concept of the soul, which I think is the embodiment of all the other energies around. What are your thoughts on?

I I think the earth is alive, the universe is alive and has fire and it’s full of gods. And I’ve always felt the way I identify as a Christian, but I don’t think of God sitting in his bathrobe with a long beard, you know, because you’ll never see him except at the Sistine Chapel and some certain paintings. But when I look outside and see the sunset, I see God. When I look into the eyes of our border collie, I see God. When I look into the eyes of my husband.

I see God, I see His or her holiness and power and glory expressed all around me. And my way of honoring that which is holy is to react with reverence and awe. because I love it so much, I’m so happy to be with you and your listeners to celebrate this and join in protecting and preserving.

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all of this creation.

I mean, that’s such a major part for me is that awe, getting to that sense of awe, the reverence, the awe, the connection leads to action. does. You feel like we need to do something with it. Like we want to share it and we want to make more out of it and we want to make it last and we want to bring it to others. Like what is that coming up for you around like, you know, all those incredible feelings that come up for you and spiritual, deep, soulful feelings and the fact that you act constantly.

Yes, we totally-

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You’re always on the move trying to make the next thing come to life so that we understand it better. What’s, what are you thinking about that?

Well, it feels like a lock and key. It feels like the one thing that unlocks your joy and releases you from powerlessness is to take some kind of action. During COVID, for example, during that time, this strange contagion was upon us. Nobody knew what it was. Nobody knew really even how it was transmitted, how to protect ourselves until we got the vaccine. People felt powerless and our country was deeply divided as it is now.

And we’re in the throes of environmental disaster and so many people felt helpless. And I think it was the helplessness that drove the fear. But at that time, I was lucky enough to be working with a turtle hospital. These two ladies who had in their suburban basement at any one time between 250 and 1000 turtles who had…

either been given up as pets, but more often they had been hit by cars or they were chewed by dogs or something horrible had happened to them. And they were literally putting their broken shells back together. And to be literally taking a hand, even just as a volunteer and not a very skilled one, mending this one part of our broken world, that gave me hope. That gave me joy during this time of hopelessness and helplessness.

And that showed me that that’s the one thing that you can do not to feel lost and not only to not feel lousy, it makes you feel great. I would drive home from that hospital and you know, the radio had we turned it on would have been filled with horrible news. And it mattered to me. I lost two people I loved in that pandemic. And I was frightened for so many other people, but…

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Every single time I came home from working at the Turtle Hospital, I felt full of hope and promise. And so did my friend Matt Patterson, who volunteered with me. Happy every day.

love that you didn’t turn the radio on. That instead you, I imagine that you sat in your stories, that you sat in this moments of soulful joy and relived and built the neural networks that kept those stories alive by reliving them and reliving them instead of adding extra garbage to your brain that interrupted that.

processing of memory, that processing of story, that processing of experience. There’s so much to keeping silence so that you can absorb the experiences that you’ve had that are beautiful.

And writing a book, really do have to be, this has to be uppermost in your mind. You’re replaying that, you’re thinking like, what were the salient lessons of today? I was very lucky that that happened to be my job to do this. But in that job, I mean, by the time the the turtle book came out, which I think was, was it 2023 or 24?

It was 23.

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I mean, the pandemic was over, although, you know, we still have COVID, but to come out of that with these lessons from the turtles and from the people that were helping them and not just at the turtle hospital, there were all these other people that we worked with at Turtle Survival Alliance who were breeding turtles, some of whom are extinct in the wild so that one day when the wild is safe, there’s colonies, there’s current colonies that can be re-released. People like my friends,

who let me help protect the nesting area from our house, so-called ordinary people, you know, this one’s a librarian, this one’s a retired teacher, but no matter what your skills, no matter what your background, and also no matter where you choose to apply, there’s just so many opportunities for us to take a hand in mending the world.

Yeah. And I’ve taken that on, you know, because of my connection with you in part. I volunteer at the Loggerhead Marine Life Center and sea turtles are part of my life the way, mostly, although you also were active on the, in the Cape during the winter of helping to save some of the camps who get sent down to Florida that then we can save by, because they were cold snapped and all those layers of…

how to heal nature that’s being impacted by the impact that we’re making on our climate. I want to just throw in one thing that you reminded me of and I don’t want to lose. This whole idea of putting the shell back together and putting the pieces back together reminds me of this incredibly spiritual construct around. And I know it from Judaism. I imagine that it’s in other religions as well.

the broken shards at the beginning of the earth and the world, and that our job is that each piece that we can put back together brings us to some final beautiful moment of perfection. And, you know, there’s all different ways to interpret it, but I’m just imagining, you know, all the broken shards of glass and that every shell that gets mended is just one tiny little powerful movement forward in doing something good to heal our world.

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I first heard about that concept in Jewish mysticism called Tikkuner from my husband Howard Mansfield, who also writes about preservation, but generally about preservation in the human world, deciding which ancestors do we want to remember, what landscapes do we want to preserve, and how do we do that. And the idea recurs across cultures under different names and different guises.

Japanese art of mending.

Hmm.

in which the crap and thing are not concealed, but celebrated with the old dust. And that reminded me so much of what Alexia and Natasha and Michaela were doing. And when you meet a turtle who has been through so much and you see their scarred shell, like

Fuck the goal.

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My friend Fire Chief, the 42 pound giant snapping turtle, who’s the subject of the latest book. What is it? The true and lucky life of a turtle that just came out last month. You see his shell, you see all he’s been through and you admire him even more for those scars. And even in humans, scar tissue is stronger than the original tissue.

The ultimate story of resilience, right? Like we’re stronger after we’ve been broken and we gain the ability to move past these challenges with new tools and the mending that made us stronger. It’s so powerful.

And being able to share that too and celebrate it, think is one of the great messages that you bring forward, that the turtles bring forward, that our relationships with each other. So often our deepest relationships are with people who’ve been through a difficult thing and know how to help you.

Because we’ve all been broken in so many different ways and we’ve been able to pull ourselves and heal stronger because of it. if we don’t give ourselves credit, which most people don’t, they feel the trauma but they don’t feel the resilience that they’ve built.

They feel broken, then they don’t feel mended. They don’t feel healed.

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And to me, the soulful intelligence there, like to understand the whole picture of the aura that you bring forth and that you get to have some choice over is using your soulful intelligence to connect with people and to connect with everything else on this earth. gonna, I want to, I’d love to hear you share some of your stories of some of the relationships you’ve had that come to mind when it comes to what I’m calling soulful intelligence. And you know,

Of course, there’s these beautiful ones with your octopus friends. you speak in, or I hear you speak, you wrote about how you’re watching Athena and you know Athena is also watching you. There’s this two-way, deep energy. It’s not a one-way thing. And I know you’ve studied so many other creatures and you’ve had so many incredible pets. They aren’t really pets, but they’re friends that you care for.

and they care for you, guess. Could you share a story, a couple of stories about what’s coming to mind that just brings to life this idea of shared soulful intelligence?

yeah, absolutely. One thing that comes to mind is this, the first time Matt and I took Fire Chief out of his hospital tank to do his first session of physical therapy. The chief had, he was called Fire Chief because he lived in a fire pond next to a fire station. And every year, as many turtles do, he would cross the road from his, you know, he had a summer pond and a winter pond. So twice a year he had to cross this road.

And he’d been living for many decades. And when he first moved in, that was just a little country lane. But now he lived along a state highway and he was hit by a truck in October of 2018. Now we didn’t meet him until 2020. And our job with this enormous 42 pound snapping turtle whose tail alone was 14 inches long was to do physical therapy. His back legs had been paralyzed with the accident, but they can regenerate nerve tissue.

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but he needed to strengthen those muscles. So Matt Patterson, who was the artist of the book and also a turtle savant, lifts this huge turtle out of his hospital tank, carries him up the stairs and we take him to the turtle garden. And the point is for him to walk around and for us to watch him and make sure he doesn’t flip and make sure he doesn’t scrape his belly shield. Cause normally he would walk tall on all four legs, but his back legs were weak. So he might’ve…

hurt his plastron. So after a little bit, Matt lifted it up, we checked his plastron, nothing was scratched, we put him back down, and he stayed still. And Matt and I, without exchanging a word or a glance, had exactly the same thought at the same time, and it didn’t come from us. It came from the chief. And at that time, we both reached out to stroke his head. And Natasha and Alexia later saw us doing this.

and asked each other, did you tell them they could do that? No, did you tell them they could do that? And we heard them and we said, no, he told us we could do it. And I don’t recommend you’re doing this to a snapper you don’t know, particularly a really big one, because the turtle has reason to think that the 150 pound mammal might pick them up and eat them. But he somehow knew, he was tuned in enough to us that he was not afraid of us and he welcomed our gentle touch. And he has never bitten us.

And to this day, and we tell this story in the adult book as well as the new children’s book, to this day, we can feed him by hand, tiny little, we give him these special nuggets that the zoo industry makes for snapping turtles and crocodiles, very small. We can hand it to him in the water and the snapping turtle will gently inhibit his bite so he doesn’t bite you. If you threw it in the water, he would go at it like a crocodile.

But if you’re holding it, he’s very careful not to bite.

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It’s amazing. dog, you remind me of my dog Max, who was a wheat and terrier and he had a big, like strong jaw and he would grab at things, but he was so incredibly gentle intentionally. it felt like he was working to make sure that he was that gentle when you could put something into his mouth, like, and he would hold a toy or he would find something to hold in his mouth so that he…

didn’t find himself biting anybody. Like was sort of a restraining thing for himself. was just like, just know there that there’s so much deep thinking and feeling and sentience and soul just in part in that relationship you’re having with them in that moment. It’s so beautiful.

Psychologists really are aware they have what psychologists call theory of mind. They are aware that you may be thinking a different thing than they are thinking. And there have been times when Thurber, for example, didn’t want to get out of the car, but I needed him to get out of the car. And he was annoyed that he was being asked to get out of the car. So we’d pull his lips back and show his teeth, but then he’d hide his face so that I wouldn’t have to see his angry feeling because the anger wasn’t directed at you. Yeah, he does that.

to take the time to stop and process what could they be thinking or what are they thinking. Like, I love to ask that question. What are they thinking? What do they know about any other creature or any other thing that’s alive, species that’s alive and can be plant, it can be fungus, it could be whatever. Like, to just stop and give that moment of respect to the other and say, what do they know?

that I need to be able to understand. It’s incredible.

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animals are better at reading the other species around them than we are. But you know what? I I should take that back. I think sometimes we do understand, but we discard it because so many of us bought the lie that the world is just about not just other humans, but other humans and their stuff and getting more of it, which is an absolute certain way to have a miserable life. When you test people,

Even people who don’t have chickens, for example. I think 70 % of the time in these tests when they would play chickens as different calls, 70 % of the time, the people who had no experience with chickens understood exactly what the chicken was saying. To me, that’s amazing. But think of this, know, animals are always reading the calls of other animals. If you’re a wild animal, it pays to listen to the J’s.

when they’re calling out danger or the squirrels that are chattering because they’ve seen something below. It’s like, what’s going on? I need to look around. I need to see this. And I think we’re hardwired to do that, but that deep knowledge often gets silenced. And even our senses. recently read, you know, we think we have a terrible sense of smell because we can’t smell as sensitively as a dog, but dogs smell the stuff that’s important to them.

and we smell the stuff that’s important to us. And we smell as well as a dog, the smell of a banana, for example. Yeah, our smell is just as acute for the banana. Now, not for another dog’s urine, perhaps, because that’s not as important to us. But we’re primates, wanna know where the bananas are.

what you pay attention to grows. Like that’s a basic construct, right? Like, so if we were to pay more attention to other things that would make the world better instead of just make ourselves better, then that would grow, right? You you reminded me of, I’ve taken a number of really beautiful guide tours with highly trained guides. I had one in the rainforest, at the subtropical rainforest in Iguazu Falls, Argentina a couple of weeks ago, a bird watching one.

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and in Botswana last year. And in each case, I was just so enamored and impressed and blown away by the process to become a train guide is multiple years. And you have to know what each species in this world is saying, is communicating. That each different sound that they’re making is unique and has a point and is not the way we necessarily communicate.

but it is how they are communicating and it’s to change your lens to try to be in their world and understand what they’re trying to say. And that seems like, you know, as simple as that experiment was with the chickens, like to know, stop and think about what they’re saying instead of what matters to you more. So I love, you know, that I think if we go there more often, we’ll all be in a better place. Give us one more story about…

like just this deep soulful connection. you probably, don’t know how you even get to pick one because you have, I mean, sure, literally hundreds or thousands of experiences like this, but you know, another creature that you connected with that, maybe do an octopus or maybe do your pig or do a manta ray from the ones you swam with recently, whatever you want to do. The hawk, I don’t know, whatever you want.

One that I thought of was the pink dolphins in the Amazon because we’ve been thinking rainforest and South America. This was years ago, I was researching a book called Journey of the Pink Dolphins. I had gone on expedition after expedition each two months long, trying to get close enough to pink dolphins to say that I had known some of them, but they’re tricksters and they’ll appear around your boat and just gasp and then disappear.

you look up and all you see is the wake that they leave. And of course, you know, they’re laughing at you underwater. But I finally went to this one place where there wasn’t a swim with dolphins program. There was no such thing out there. But it was a place where I had heard there had been a guy who would go out and these dolphins knew him and come see him. Well, couldn’t, the guy, actually, I couldn’t reach him. This was back before the year 2000.

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whisper.

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I couldn’t reach him via phone or internet. So I just got on a plane and he wasn’t there. But his boatman, I was able to find, he took me to the place where the guy used to go and I would swim out a quarter mile and these seven dolphins would just come and hang out with me. And I could feel them sounding me. So they knew a lot about me. They could see the faulty valve in my heart. They could see what I’d eaten for breakfast because it was sitting there in my stomach.

But they did this other thing that I’d never heard of before. And I was very touched this was happening, but I didn’t know what it meant. They would swim beneath me and let go this effusion of bubbles that would sizzle up my skin. It felt really cool, but I couldn’t figure out what they were doing. I knew it was some kind of a connection and I knew it was friendly. But when I got home, I found in the literature accounts of captive.

pink dolphins in the Duisburg Zoo in Germany in which they would do this to each other. And it was presumably a kind of massage, a kind of touch.

to comfort each other and to calm each other and to show love.

That’s what

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It’s a spectacular story. And that just exudes the soulful intelligence, your connection with them and their connection with each other in such a higher level than just fact and just brain or heart alone. That’s amazing. Okay, so of course I’ve taken a ton of your time. So this is the question. What’s your advice for bringing this kind of life, this kind of approach to life that you live?

where front and center is to live life in this deep, soulful connection. us some advice so that everyone listening can just bring a little bit of this and have more joy.

Well, pay attention. There’s teachers all around us who will show us, you know, and it might be the teacher in your school classroom or it might be the janitor in your school or it might be a squirrel or your dog or a shaman or an anaconda, but they’re all out there showing us splendors. And the other thing is in this time of political strife, take a hand in mending the world. There are so many ways we can do it and we can do it.

every day multiple times. Every day multiple times we have an opportunity through what we choose to buy or not buy, what we choose to drive or not drive, how we vote, how we eat, just how we live on this earth, how we behave with our fellow humans and our fellow creatures. And each time we make that a positive interaction, it’s going to give you a nice little hit of dopamine and you’re going to feel

Right. And you’re going to want to do it again and again.

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And more. How cool is it to want more of that versus more stuff?

That’s the only thing that really does form that kind of happy feedback, that happy, healthy feedback loop. That’s what we’re meant to be doing. That’s what every wise man and every wise woman has been telling us throughout human history. And they’re doing it because it’s true. And it’s not hard to do. In fact, it’s easier to do than to be grumpy and hopeless and helpless. And at times,

When you do feel lost, just remember those teachers are around you and just listen for their truths because they are out there uttering them, showing them, showing us how we too can be a good creature.

It reminds me of your friends, the octopus, who also bring some humor to it and shoot you with shots of salt water to just lighten the moment. Sometimes you need some humor and lightening of the experience too, not just to take it too seriously. Beautiful. Thank you, Cy. You’re amazing. I can’t wait to keep you in my life and have the next, bring you again for the next conversation.

Jessica, I feel the same.

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And what are you working on now? to bring, I mean, 39 books and book tours constantly and showing up and bringing people in connection in person by wandering the country and the world, sharing this beauty of this soulful intelligence. What’s next on your agenda?

I got three books coming out next year. One is with the artist Matt Patterson. We’re doing kind of a franchise. We did a book called The Book of Turtles, full of just gobs, backing facts about turtles. We’re doing one, this new

a ton of turtles. like this is not a simple, right?

We think we know them. Well, this one is the book of caterpillars and everyone thinks they know caterpillars, but we don’t know that they, for example, there’s some that go out and hunt by lassoing snails with silk. We don’t know that there are caterpillars that can scream at you. We don’t know that there are caterpillars with poisonous spines that kill 500 people a year. So there’s

Tons of stuff. So that’s one. Another book is the one I was telling you about earlier on giant oceanic manta rays. And then I’ve done a book with a wonderful National Geographic photographer, Joel Sartori. He’s doing a new edition of the PhotoArc and I’ve contributed 20 short essays, first-person stories about animals that I’ve known. So those are the next three books coming out.

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I can’t wait. I can’t wait to hear you these 20 stories, like every one of them. And I hope that you put them into audio because I want to hear your voice tell them. there’s just some extra incredibly beautiful layer to that, but I will read them. But if you’re doing to do that, I’m going to be in total heaven. I just have to offer like a caterpillar story that I learned. And I’m, I’m not sure if I’m a hundred percent right about this, but you probably have anybody knows it, that when the caterpillar

melts down into basically liquid form to become the butterfly, that they’ve discovered that there are certain memory cells, there are certain cells that bring learning. Even though it seems like it’s all gone, it’s not. There’s such a microscopic level of life that we are starting to understand. Below everything else that is so alive,

low that

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and carries memory forward and carries legacy. like, if the answer, it changed, sort of changed my thinking to understand that, that as you had mentioned this before, that, you know, our ancestors that, that nothing ever goes away, right? There’s a pathway to bringing everything forward and both good and bad. need to be conscious of that. So you’re nodding. sounds like you’ve-

I know those experiments. What they did was they exposed caterpillars. forget. I do know the species, but it’s not in my head right now. They exposed the caterpillars to a scent that normally would not mean anything to them. had nothing to do with food or danger. And they paired this with an electric shock. Then they allowed them to metamorphose into butterflies and they exposed them again.

to the scent that had previously been paired with electric shock and the butterfly would get all upset and fly away. I know those experiments and I love that. I love what you take from that too. Butterflies are often seen as examples of the soul after, you know, you’re this worm and then the next thing you know, you’re this gossamer butterfly.

believable.

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They’re symbols of transformation, they’re symbols of the persistence of the soul, but they remember things from their caterpillar.

Incredible, just incredible. Meanwhile, let’s keep investing in science, right? Because science matters. We need to learn this stuff and prove this stuff. Anyway, thank you. Thank you so much, Cy. I’m so joyful from having this time and I’m so happy to share you again and to have you just be part of more and more people’s lives because we’re all better. We’re all better, Thank you, Cy. We’re going to keep doing this.

What you do is fantastic.

for a long time to come, right, Cy? Awesome. Great.

You bet.

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Let’s take a breath together. We’ve just traveled through an extraordinary world, the kelp forest, the quiet presence of our giant Pacific octopus, and the open, wholehearted presence of Psi Montgomery. Before we move forward, let’s pause right here in this moment of wonder and let it settle. Psi has a way of opening something inside us. Her presence gently wakes up parts of ourselves we often overlook, the intuitive, sensing, deeply feeling parts.

And suddenly soulful intelligence doesn’t feel abstract anymore. It feels familiar, like something that has been living inside us all along, simply waiting to be named. She offered so much that lingers long after she speaks. Her insights from her deep relationships with non-human friends give us so much to process and embrace and embody. As Sai shared, you can meet someone so different from you that you’d have to go to outer space or science fiction to find someone more different.

and still form a friendship. Such an important thought in these days of great divisiveness across friends, family, and community. The heart of today’s story is connection. Deep, intuitive cross-boundary connection. Connection that isn’t uniquely human. Connection that is a fundamental truth of the living world. And this is where the octopus brings the lesson back into focus. Our giant Pacific octopus friend showed us how to slow down and access that connection through soulful intelligence.

She tastes the currents before choosing a direction. She shifts her colors and textures to reflect her inner state, calm, anxious, alert. She approaches a young octopus with thoughtful curiosity rather than fear. Every choice rises from integration, awareness, intention, sensing, meaning. Sai helped us to understand what this truly is when she shared, to me, the soul is that holy, sacred, indestructible part of us.

that connects us to the rest of creation. She sees the connection everywhere, in her dog, Thurber, in the turtles she helps mend, in the dolphins who once released shimmering clouds of bubbles up her skin in a massage of friendship, and the caterpillars who somehow carry memories from wormhood into butterflyhood. She sees soul because she pays attention, and that attention, that quiet, reverent, curious noticing, is a form of soulful intelligence.

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Sai also spoke of love. Love is as important a tool of inquiry as your intellect. She wasn’t talking about sentimentality. She meant presence, curiosity, respect, the willingness to enter another being’s world on their terms, slowly, gently, and with genuine interest. This is where soulful intelligence rises in us. It is the part of our mind, body, heart system that speaks when we pause long enough to sense the deeper truth of a moment.

Tsai invites us to reclaim that way of knowing. So many animals are better at reading the other species around them than we are, Tsai offers. We have the same capacity. We too often rush and discard it. Soulful intelligence isn’t missing in us. It’s simply waiting for space. Resilience grows when we make that space. When we slow down, truly slow down, we shift out of fear and into clarity.

out of reaction and into meaning, out of urgency and into alignment with our values. That is the resilience lesson woven through today’s story. Resilience strengthens when we let soulful intelligence guide us. When we pause, we sense more. When we sense more, we understand more. When we understand more, we choose differently with empathy, creativity, steadiness, and care. Sai illuminated this again with humor.

When I mentioned how octopuses sometimes soak people with perfectly aimed blasts of seawater, she laughed with that unmistakable spark. She knows those splashes are intentional. Octopuses don’t spray everyone. They choose. They greet you with joy when they know you and treat strangers utterly differently. They know who belongs in their circle and who needs a little playful humbling. Moments like this remind us that soulful intelligence includes lightness too. Curiosity, play.

surprise and joy. Humor has a place in soulful intelligence. Joy has a place. Mischief has a place. Connection wears many expressions. So how do we bring soulful intelligence into our own resilience practice? Here are a few gentle ways to begin. Moments you can take as you move through your day, each one small enough to do and powerful enough to matter. Pause and sense. Take a breath before reacting and ask, what truly matters here?

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Let curiosity lead. Wonder interrupts fear. What might this moment be telling me? Identify and anchor in your core values. Compassion, family, kindness, connection, security, love, honesty, responsibility. Naming your values creates alignment. Slow your pace. Give your senses a chance to catch up. This is where meaning lies. Read subtle signs, tone.

tension, silence, often where the meaning lives. Take one small action that mends something, a relationship, a habit, a patch of soil, a moment of misunderstanding, a piece of the natural world that needs care. Every act of mending tells your nervous system we’re part of something larger and we can help. These practices build internal reserves, the kind you can draw on when life wobbles or feels uncertain.

They strengthen the very part of you, Sci-Help name. And once your inner system is steadier, that steadiness naturally extends outward. And once we’re grounded, we can turn outward. Because honoring a species that teaches us so much includes protecting it. Octopuses and other cephalopods, like cuttlefish and squid, are among the most sentient, intelligent, emotionally expressive beings on this planet. Yet they still fall outside many animal welfare protections.

because they’re invertebrates. Scientific research now shows strong evidence that decapod crustaceans, lobsters, crabs, and shrimp also feel pain and suffer. Laws are very slow to catch up. California and Washington have banned octopus farming, and Canada is working to expand protections. Yet large-scale commercial farming proposals keep resurfacing because they fall into loopholes created long before we understood these creatures’ intelligence and sentience.

We made assumptions out of ignorance, convenience, and profit. Now we know more, and we have a responsibility to act on that knowing. Cy reminded us that change often begins with the smallest circles, the spheres of influence close to home, and she gave us a beautiful roadmap. Take a hand in mending the world every day, multiple times a day, in what you buy, what you repair, what you share, how you speak, how you care.

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Here are a few meaningful ways to support octopuses. Learn and share. Knowledge shifts culture. Culture shifts policy. Read size the soul of an octopus. It’s life-changing. Support organizations working to protect ocean habitats and species and those advocating for invertebrate protections. Consider the sentience and soulful intelligence of every creature before choosing to use, consume, or displace it. Even one small act

And what you buy, what you repair, what you share, how you speak, how you care, how you choose, and how you help a creature in need becomes a pulse of healing that strengthens both the world and your own resilience. If today’s episode moved you, opened something, softened something, or gave you a moment of awe, I’d love for you to follow, rate, and review Resilience Gone Wild. It helps these stories reach more people who may need them.

You can find extended clips, resources, and resilience practices at resiliencegonewild.com. And you can always reach me there. I love hearing how these stories land in your life. Until next time, stay soulful, stay curious, stay wild.

A Thanksgiving of Appreciation: Resilience Takes Root When We Honor One Another 24 Nov 202501:05:02

Episode 64 A Thanksgiving of Appreciation: Resilience Takes Root When We Honor One Another 

In this Thanksgiving episode of Resilience Gone Wild, Jessica Morgenthal explores the ancient ecological wisdom of the Three Sisters—corn, beans, and squash—and how their centuries-old partnership reveals a living model of regeneration, cooperation, and shared strength. Through immersive storytelling and a powerful conversation with regenerative systems expert Rob Avis, this episode shows how appreciation circulates energy through people, communities, and ecosystems, transforming gratitude into something active, connective, and life-giving. 

What if Thanksgiving is really an invitation to let our giving nourish the world that nourishes us? 

What You’ll Learn 

  • How the Three Sisters model interdependence, ecological intelligence, generosity, mutual support, and shared abundance 
  • How appreciation is more active, expansive, connective, and outward-moving than gratitude 
  • How energy follows attention, and how what we pay attention to shapes our path 
  • The difference between the sphere of influence and the sphere of concern, and why it matters 
  • How regenerative systems allow energy to flow outward, strengthening community 
  • How regenerative agriculture and Indigenous farming practices reveal long-term resilience 
  • How sensory awareness, humility, and awe reconnect us to the living world 
  • How small, intentional actions create large, positive ripples across systems and generations 
  • How regenerative agriculture echoes the ancient teaching of giving back more than we take 

Episode Overview 

In this special holiday episode, Jessica guides listeners from a glowing Thanksgiving table into the quiet beauty of a November garden. There, the Three Sisters—corn, beans, and squash—become teachers of partnership, reciprocity, and ecological resilience. Their intertwined lives show how appreciation keeps energy flowing through the whole system. 

Jessica then speaks with Rob Avis, engineer, regenerative designer, and Co-Founder of Fifth World. Rob’s journey from the oil and gas industry to regenerative land restoration reflects the core message of this episode: appreciation is energy in motion. He shares insights about how attention shapes reality, why our sphere of influence matters more than our sphere of concern, and how regeneration begins with humility and intention. 

The result is a Thanksgiving episode rooted in warmth, wisdom, and renewal—an invitation to shift from gratitude to appreciation, and to let our giving nourish the world that nourishes us. 

Episode Highlights / Timestamps 

[00:00] Act 1 – A Thanksgiving Table and the Meaning of Appreciation 
[05:00] Act 2 – The Story of the Three Sisters: Corn, Beans, and Squash 
[14:40] Act 3 – The Resilience Lesson: Gratitude vs. Appreciation 
[22:00] Act 4 – Interview with Rob Avis: From Extraction to Regeneration 
[22:30] Attention as Energy: The Canoe Metaphor 
[24:30] Sphere of Influence vs. Sphere of Concern 
[28:00] Quorum Sensing, Biodiversity, and Indigenous Farming Wisdom 
[33:00] Regenerative Design and Humility 
[38:00] Why Small Actions Create Expansive Ripples 
[43:00] Sensory Awareness and Reconnecting with the Real World 
[48:00] Enlightened Self-Interest and the Win-Win-Win 
[54:00] Act 5 – Closing Narrative: Letting Appreciation Circulate 

Meet the Guest: Rob Avis 

Rob Avis is a regenerative systems engineer, educator, and designer. He began his career in the oil and gas industry and later shifted toward ecological restoration, resilience engineering, and land-based systems design. As Co-Founder and Chief Engineering Officer at Fifth World, Rob helps individuals and communities create regenerative water, food, land, and energy systems that give more than they take. His work blends engineering precision with ecological humility, inviting people to see regeneration as both practical and profoundly human. 

Tools, Concepts, and Frameworks Mentioned 

  • The Three Paradigms: Extraction, Sustainability, Regeneration 
  • Sphere of Influence vs. Sphere of Concern 
  • Attention as Energy (The Canoe Metaphor) 
  • Quorum Sensing and Multispecies Plant Communities 
  • Regenerative Agriculture and Permaculture Principles 
  • The Three Sisters Model as Cooperation and Mutual Support 
  • Seven-Generation Thinking and Indigenous Ecological Knowledge 

Practice: Try This Today 

A few gentle ways to strengthen your appreciation muscle: 

Speak appreciation aloud with specifics. 
Name what you see in others that is generous, skillful, wise, or steadying. 

Notice and record it. 
Keep a brief note of moments when someone lifted the energy in a room or made life easier. 

Re-sensitize yourself. 
Step outside for two minutes. Feel the air. Listen. Touch the ground. Let awe reopen your channel for appreciation. 

Slow down and name the invisible helpers. 
The soil, the growers, the pollinators, the microbial worlds, and the human hands behind every meal. 

You can find Jessica’s short, guided videos for these practices at ResilienceGoneWild.com and our YouTube channel. Appreciation is energy in motion. When it flows, everyone in the circle grows stronger. 

Closing Insight & Call to Action 

“Gratitude restores our balance. Appreciation restores the balance of the whole.” 

This Thanksgiving episode is an invitation to let appreciation move through you—expansive, outward, and alive. 

If this episode resonated, share it with someone who may be ready to shift from gratitude to appreciation and reconnect with the deeper rhythms of giving and receiving. 

Resource Links 

Learn more about Rob Avis: 
https://vergepermaculture.ca/meet-our-team/ 

Explore Fifth World: 
https://vergepermaculture.ca/ 

Connect with Jessica: 
Jessica@resiliencegonewild.com 

Listen to more episodes: 
https://pod.link/J4yd77 
and 
ResilienceGoneWild.com 

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Marta Mendonca – Lessons from Wisdom of the Vines13 Nov 202500:35:22
Episode 63

What can centuries-old grapevines teach us about resilience, wisdom, and the art of letting go?

In this episode, host Jessica Morgenthal explores how the vineyards of northern Portugal—and the global network of winemakers in The Porto Protocol—reveal timeless lessons about connection, growth, and renewal. Beneath the science of soil and sustainability lies something deeper: a quiet intelligence passed down through nature and community alike.

Episode Overview

In “Lessons from the Wisdom of the Vines,” Jessica weaves narrative and reflection to uncover how vineyards mirror the rhythms of human life—growth, rest, and transformation. Through her conversation with Marta Mendonça, leader of The Porto Protocol, we learn how wisdom lives not in isolation but in connection: between generations, between the roots and the rain, and between people who choose to share what they know.

Marta invites us to see resilience not as endurance but as renewal—to understand that strength begins in what we choose to release. Through the stories of growers, soils, and communities learning together, this episode asks what it means to listen to the lessons nature has been offering all along.

What You’ll Learn
  • How pruning becomes a living metaphor for resilience, purpose, and letting go.
  • Why shared wisdom builds stronger systems—ecological and human.
  • The enduring relationship between tradition and transformation.
  • What nature’s timing teaches about patience and presence.
  • How wisdom multiplies when passed from generation to generation.
  • Why resilience begins with the courage to restore, not just to sustain.
Episode Highlights

[00:00] The Living Memory of the Vine — Nature’s Quiet Resilience

 [01:31] The Voice of the Vineyard — Learning from Growth and Rest

 [06:40] The Art of Pruning — Letting Go to Grow Stronger

 [09:48] Introducing Marta Mendonça and The Porto Protocol

 [13:45] From Tradition to Shared Wisdom

 [17:00] Listening to Water — Nature as Teacher

 [22:50] Restoration in Action — Innovative and Regenerative Practices

 [26:20] Stories of Renewal — Learning from the Land

 [29:48] Beyond Sustainability — The Meaning of Resilience

 [32:31] Closing Reflections — Wisdom Shared, Wisdom Multiplied

Meet the Guest

Marta Mendonça leads The Porto Protocol Foundation, a global network uniting more than 250 vineyards and wine industry partners in the pursuit of climate action through collaboration and shared wisdom. Founded in Portugal with support from Taylor’s Port and launched alongside world leaders like Barack Obama and Al Gore, the organization embodies the belief that we grow stronger—not by competing—but by learning together.

Tools, Frameworks, or Strategies Mentioned
  • The Porto Protocol’s Core Principles – “Every solution counts, and every action matters.”
  • Collaborative Knowledge Networks – Building global communities of learning and exchange.
  • Regenerative Viticulture – Restoring soil health and deepening connection to nature.
  • The Practice of Pruning – Applying nature’s rhythm of renewal to leadership and life.
Closing Insight & CTA

“Wisdom isn’t what we keep—it’s what we pass on. Resilience begins when we listen, learn, and let go of what no longer serves.”

Listen now and reflect on how wisdom grows when it’s shared.

 Visit https://resiliencegonewild.com to explore more stories that remind us: when nature wins, we win.

Resource Links

Learn more about The Porto Protocol: https://www.portoprotocol.com/

 Connect with Jessica: https://winwinwinmindset.com/

 Subscribe to Resilience Gone Wild: https://pod.link/J4yd77

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From Ick to Wow: How Worms and Composting Teach Resilience28 Oct 202500:43:03
From Ick to Wow: How Worms and Composting Teach Resilience

Episode 62

What if the things we label “icky”: decay, dirt, discomfort, are actually where transformation begins?

In this thought-provoking episode, Resilience Gone Wild host Jessica Morgenthal sits down with Tim Steckel, founder of The Compost Marketing Agency, to explore the hidden brilliance of composting as a metaphor for personal and ecological renewal. From the red wiggler’s quiet labor to the microbial symphony beneath our feet, this episode redefines how curiosity, not control, fuels real resilience, in soil, systems, and self.

What You’ll Learn:
  • Why curiosity is the catalyst for resilience, and how it transforms fear into fascination.
  • The biological magic behind composting: microbes, fungi, and the soil food web.
  • How to move from “ick” to “wow” by shifting perception from avoidance to awe.
  • Practical ways composting teaches sustainable habits for mind, body, and planet.
  • How the unseen world of decomposition mirrors our own cycles of growth and renewal.
Episode Highlights:

00:00 – The Halloween connection: composting as nature’s “witch’s brew.”

12:18 – From “ick” to “wow”: transforming fear into fascination through curiosity.

14:21 – Tim’s journey from marketing to sustainability and the creation of The Compost Marketing Agency.

18:49 – The science and art of composting: what really happens inside a pile of decay.

34:27 – The microbial connection between soil health, gut health, and resilience.

40:06 – Composting as a metaphor for letting go, renewal, and collective healing.

Meet the Guest:

Tim Steckel is a sustainability advocate and marketing strategist who founded The Compost Marketing Agency, a niche firm devoted to making composting and organic recycling accessible and mainstream. His work connects the science of soil with the art of storytelling, helping cities, educators, and citizens reimagine waste as renewal.

Tools, Frameworks, & Concepts Mentioned:
  • The Soil Food Web: how bacteria, fungi, nematodes, and worms sustain ecosystems.
  • Vermicomposting: composting with red wigglers for faster, richer soil.
  • The “Ick to Wow” Mindset: shifting from avoidance to awe through curiosity.
  • Microbial Resilience: how microorganisms mirror human adaptability.
Closing Insight:

“The worm doesn’t panic in the dark, she senses, adjusts, and transforms what’s discarded into life. That’s resilience in action.”

Composting teaches us to stay with the mess long enough to see what’s emerging. When we do, decay becomes design, and every act of renewal begins with curiosity.

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From Venom to Victory: Resilience Lessons from Dragons and Survivors11 Oct 202500:57:34

Resilience doesn’t always mean going it alone. In the Lighthouse Dragons, a Florida-based breast cancer survivor and supporter dragon boat team, strength is a shared current. Each stroke through the water reflects a truth found in nature: power grows when it’s given, not hoarded.

I joined the Lighthouse Dragons team after being invited by another supporter I met in Florida, a simple act of connection that changed my understanding of resilience. The Lighthouse Dragons are a community of grounded, team-oriented, and joyful people who embody what it means to show up for each other.

The experience inspired me to help raise visibility for breast cancer research and for the global dragon boating community, a worldwide movement where survivors and supporters paddle together in solidarity and strength.

Through parallels with the blue sea dragon, which transforms venom into protection, and the Long dragon of Chinese mythology, which channels storms into life-giving rain, this story reveals that real resilience is relational. It’s not found in isolation, it’s formed in connection.

Meet the Experts

The Lighthouse Dragons are a powerful example of functional resilience in action, a living, breathing ecosystem of support and renewal. As one of the team’s supporters, I’ve had the privilege of paddling alongside survivors who transform pain into purpose with every race.

Teammates like Pam, Betsy, and Joanne model what it means to be both strong and soft, resilient yet deeply connected. Together, we embody what I call collective flow: the rhythm of shared strength that moves us all forward.

The Big Idea

The great myth of resilience is that it’s built in isolation. But the truth, reflected in nature and in dragon boating, is that we are sustained by connection.

Like the blue sea dragon, which draws venom from others to fortify itself, we can transform adversity by engaging with our environment and community. And like the Long dragon, we can channel chaos into renewal when we move in harmony with others.

Resilience isn’t a solo pursuit. It’s a social ecosystem, one strengthened by empathy, rhythm, and reciprocity.

Key Takeaways
  • Connection Creates Strength: True resilience comes from being part of something larger than yourself.
  • Pain Becomes Purpose: Like the sea dragon, we can transform life’s toxins into tools for growth.
  • Community Is Medicine: Healing accelerates when we move in rhythm with others.
  • Nature Anchors Us: The water, sunlight, and sound of paddles keep us grounded and present.
  • Presence Is Power: Even when you can’t paddle, showing up keeps the team, and the heart, in motion.
Tools, Strategies, or Frameworks Mentioned
  • Functional Resilience Model: Resilience as a dynamic system connecting mind, body, and environment.
  • Group Flow Theory: Shared movement that enhances emotional well-being and synchrony.
  • Nature Anchoring: Using natural settings to restore nervous system balance.
  • Blue Sea Dragon Framework: Transforming challenge into protection through connection.
Final Thoughts

“You don’t have to do hard things alone.”

That’s the greatest lesson the dragons have taught me, both the mythical and the living kind.
When we paddle together, our rhythm becomes our resilience.

By raising awareness for breast cancer research and supporting the visibility of dragon boating worldwide, I hope more people discover this truth: that healing happens in motion, and that the current always carries us farther when we move together.

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Rainforest Resilience: Rhett Ayers Butler on Connection, Awe & Action24 Sep 202500:47:09

Step into the Amazon rainforest with environmental journalist Rhett Ayers Butler, founder of Mongabay, as he shares a lifetime of lessons about connection, resilience, and the hidden systems that sustain life.

This episode of Resilience Gone Wild blends vivid storytelling with science to reveal how the smallest sparks of awe, whether a frog’s call, a monkey’s leap, or a single seed, can ignite powerful change in both ecosystems and human communities.

What You’ll Learn:

  • How rainforest biodiversity regulates climate, stores carbon, and supports human health.
  • The origin story of Mongabay and how one child’s love for frogs grew into a global conservation network.
  • Why storytelling creates deeper engagement than data alone, and how emotional connection drives action.
  • Lessons from rainforest communities on balance, restraint, and interdependence.
  • Practical ways to apply systems thinking to daily choices, from the coffee you drink to the products you buy.

Episode Highlights:

  • 02:35 – Immersive sensory journey through the Amazon rainforest’s hidden rhythms.
  • 11:42 – Rhett’s childhood fascination with frogs sparks a lifelong mission for conservation.
  • 19:58 – The founding of Mongabay and the power of digital storytelling to drive global impact.
  • 27:16 – How a single investigative report in Gabon changed national policy on forest rights.
  • 34:03 – Encounters with manta rays, orangutans, and other species that reveal animal intelligence and resilience.
  • 40:25 – Soundscape science: using bioacoustics to measure ecosystem health and biodiversity.
  • 44:10 – The resilience lesson, how small personal actions ripple outward like seeds in a rainforest.

Meet the Guest:

Rhett Ayers Butler is an award-winning environmental journalist and the founder of Mongabay, a leading platform for global conservation news. His work bridges science, storytelling, and community action to protect the world’s most threatened ecosystems.

Tools, Frameworks, or Strategies Mentioned:

  • Soundscape monitoring and bioacoustic analysis to track biodiversity.
  • Solutions journalism as a framework for inspiring action through hopeful narratives.
  • Community-driven conservation models that scale from local victories to global impact.

Closing Insight:

“Resilience grows when small sparks of wonder connect into something larger. Each story, each action, each choice becomes part of the living system that sustains us all.”

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Mother Trees and Mothers: What The Woods Can Teach Us (And Our Kids)10 Sep 202501:11:23

What if screen time could become a bridge for curiosity instead of a battle at the dinner table?

In this episode, Rion Nakaya, creator of The Kid Should See This (TKSST), reveals how curated educational media can inspire children, parents, and educators to explore the world together. With over 7,000 handpicked videos, Rion shows how shared media experiences nurture trust, spark creativity, and build resilience across generations

What You’ll Learn:

  • Why co-viewing transforms screen time into a shared learning journey.
  • How curated video can foster curiosity, creativity, and critical thinking in children.
  • The importance of trust, attention, and storytelling in building healthy digital habits.
  • How metaphors like the “children’s menu” limit what kids consume—and why breaking that mold matters.
  • Practical ways to connect digital content with hands-on, real-world exploration.

Episode Highlights

  • 02:48 – Why “The Kid Should See This” began with Ella Fitzgerald scat singing.
  • 10:15 – Rethinking screen time: from restriction to shared curiosity.
  • 19:02 – How co-viewing creates trust, connection, and a shared vocabulary.
  • 28:37 – The power of factory and nature videos in sparking real-world exploration.
  • 38:55 – On being the “mycelium” that connects experts, educators, and families.
  • 49:22 – How children’s podcasts and storytelling expand attention spans and imagination.
  • 58:47 – Modeling resilience through failure as learning.
  • 01:05:10 – Future of TKSST: community, partnerships, and amplifying unseen voices.

Meet the Guest

Rion Nakaya is the award-winning founder of The Kid Should See This (TKSST), a curated library of over 7,000 educational videos that connect children and adults with science, art, nature, and curiosity. She is also a California Naturalist, storyteller, and digital curator committed to reshaping how families learn together.

Tools, Frameworks, or Strategies Mentioned:

  • Co-viewing framework: Watching videos together to create shared learning moments.
  • Living Library Model: A continuously updated archive of trusted educational resources.
  • Biomimicry & Design Thinking: Learning innovation from nature’s systems.
  • Resilience Through Failure: Using real-life stories to normalize mistakes as growth.

Closing Insight or CTA:

“We are not grownups, we’re the oldest kids. And learning together is what keeps us resilient.” – Rion Nakaya

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The Wood Wide Web: Mother Trees and the Hidden Science of Resilience, Part 110 Sep 202500:18:36

Have you ever wondered how ancient forests teach us about resilience, connection, and care?

In this episode of Resilience Gone Wild, Jessica Morgenthal explores the hidden intelligence of mother trees, the oldest, strongest trees that sustain life around them through the “wood wide web.” With Mother’s Day as a backdrop, this story shows how nature’s quiet networks reveal timeless lessons about nurturing, legacy, and human resilience.

Listeners will discover how forests model sustainable systems, why unseen acts of care hold entire ecosystems together, and how small, intentional practices can deepen both personal and collective resilience.

What You’ll Learn:

  • The science behind the mother tree theory and the “wood wide web” of underground fungal networks.
  • Why resilience is not just bouncing back, but holding space and sustaining others with wisdom.
  • Practical nature-inspired frameworks like Root & Reach, Circle of Care Mapping, and Legacy Seeds for applying these lessons to daily life.
  • How old-growth forests stabilize climate, store carbon, and protect biodiversity, and why protecting them protects us.

Episode Highlights:

  • 00:00 – What mother trees reveal about unseen resilience and care
  • 03:12 – The “wood wide web”: how forests communicate and collaborate
  • 06:40 – Why true resilience means conserving strength while nurturing others
  • 10:25 – Nature-inspired tools for building sustainable care (Root & Reach, Circle of Care Mapping, Legacy Seeds)
  • 14:18 – The urgency of protecting old-growth forests and their role in climate resilience
  • 17:10 – A call to honor the quiet nurturers in our lives and communities

Tools, Frameworks, or Strategies Mentioned:

  • Root & Reach: Aligning personal grounding with intentional acts of care.
  • Circle of Care Mapping: Visualizing layers of relationships and identifying where small actions can ripple.
  • Legacy Seeds: Planting values, habits, or practices today that strengthen tomorrow’s systems.
Closing Insight:

“Resilience doesn’t always roar. Sometimes it’s the quiet strength that holds everything together, just like the mother trees.”

Honor the unseen nurturers in your life and explore how intentional care can build stronger systems for people, purpose, and planet.

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The Parrotfish Sleep Bubble: Lessons in Rest, Resilience, and Renewal, with guest Dr. John Lesku, Part 203 Sep 202500:58:53

In part 2 of our episode on the extraordinary parrotfish, Jessica and Kai take a deeper look at the parrotfish’s remarkable sleep bubble and its metaphor for resilience.

Along with guest Dr. John Lesku, they uncover how animal sleep patterns, from parrotfish to magpies, reveal hidden lessons for human well-being, environmental adaptation, and the neuroscience of rest.

This conversation connects marine biology, positive psychology, and practical strategies for creating your own “protective bubble” in times of stress, showing why sleep is not just rest, but a foundation for resilience and thriving.

What You’ll Learn:

  • Why the parrotfish’s “sleep bubble” offers a model for building resilience in stressful environments
  • The neuroscience behind sleep and how it resets the brain for learning and creativity
  • How light pollution, noise, and even pharmaceuticals in waterways impact animal and human sleep
  • Practical strategies for better sleep hygiene, removing distractions, setting boundaries, and creating conditions for recovery
  • Insights into the resilience of wildlife in urban ecosystems and what that means for human adaptation

Episode Highlights:

02:41 – The parrotfish bubble as a resilience metaphor for protecting sleep

08:15 – Why society undervalues sleep and the hidden costs of sleep deprivation

15:02 – The neuroscience of synapses, memory, and learning during sleep

22:40 – How pollution, light, sound, and psychoactive chemicals disrupt wildlife sleep

31:28 – Why magpies and other birds reveal surprising sleep adaptations

39:12 – Do jellyfish and brainless creatures actually sleep? The answer may surprise you

46:57 – Extreme cases: penguins with 10,000 micro-sleeps and sandpipers thriving with near-total deprivation

55:10 – Final reflections: what humans can learn from the diversity of animal sleep

Meet The Guest:

Dr. John Lesku is a zoologist and a leading expert in animal sleep at La Trobe University, Australia. His research spans species from jellyfish to birds and mammals, uncovering how sleep evolves, adapts, and shapes resilience across ecosystems.

Tools, Frameworks, or Strategies Mentioned:

  • The Sleep Bubble Framework – inspired by parrotfish, a metaphor for setting boundaries and protecting rest

  • Sleep Hygiene Protocols – consistent bedtime routines, limiting caffeine, reducing blue light exposure

  • Somnozoology – an emerging field studying sleep across the animal kingdom

Closing Insight:

“By extending your waking day by eight hours, your capacity drops to the level of someone legally drunk. Sleep isn’t weakness, it’s resilience in action.”

The Parrotfish Sleep Bubble: Lessons in Rest, Resilience, and Renewal, Part 103 Sep 202500:18:50

What can a parrotfish’s nighttime bubble teach us about resilience, health, and rest?

In this episode of Resilience Gone Wild, Jessica Morgenthal explores how nature’s most unusual sleep strategies, like the parrotfish’s mucus cocoon, offer profound lessons for humans on stress management, brain health, and creating protective boundaries. Listeners will walk away with practical insights for building their own “sleep bubble” to restore balance and thrive.

What You’ll Learn:

  • Why parrotfish build protective “sleep cocoons” and what this reveals about resilience

  • Four critical reasons sleep is non-negotiable for brain, body, and emotional health

  • How to identify “sleep predators” (external disruptions) and “sleep parasites” (internal worries)

  • Simple, science-backed tools for creating a healthy nighttime routine

  • The surprising links between ocean conservation, resilience, and human flourishing

Episode Highlights:

  • 00:00 – Why parrotfish and their sleep bubble matter for resilience

  • 03:10 – How the mucus cocoon protects against parasites, predators, and infection

  • 06:25 – Four essential reasons humans need restorative sleep for resilience

  • 09:40 – “Sleep predators” vs. “sleep parasites”: identifying external and internal disruptors

  • 13:05 – Practical tools: gratitude, journaling, mindfulness, and bedtime rituals

  • 16:45 – Final insights: what parrotfish teach us about protecting both sleep and ecosystems

Tools, Frameworks, or Strategies Mentioned:
  • Sleep Bubble Framework: predators vs. parasites metaphor for identifying barriers to rest

  • Gratitude Practice + Journaling as tools to calm internal chatter before bed

  • Mindfulness Techniques: progressive muscle relaxation, breathing, visualization

Closing Insight:

“Think like a parrotfish: build your protective sleep bubble and wake up ready to thrive.”

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Balancing Purpose and Profit in Ocean Conservation Part 227 Aug 2025

In part 2 of our episode on the importance of balancing purpose with profit in ocean conservation, Jessica and Kai take a deeper look at the extraordinary resilience of mama sea turtles and the lessons they offer humans about mistakes, growth, and adaptability.

Through vivid storytelling, we explore how nesting behavior connects to themes of resilience, mindset, and conservation, and why reframing mistakes as learning opportunities is essential for both nature and people.

What You’ll Learn:

  • Why labeling choices as “mistakes” can block creativity and growth
  • How mama sea turtles adapt nesting strategies to increase survival odds
  • The connection between resilience, imperfection, and psychological safety
  • Practical steps for reframing errors into teachable moments
  • How sea turtles maintain balance in marine ecosystems and why they need protection

Episode Highlights:

  • 00:00 – Why calling something a mistake damages resilience
  • 02:15 – A July morning on Singer Island: the awe of mama sea turtles nesting
  • 05:42 – How sea turtles navigate thousands of miles back to their birthplace
  • 08:10 – The Herculean labor of nesting and the miracle of hatchling survival
  • 11:05 – Hot chicks and cool dudes: temperature and turtle sex ratios
  • 13:20 – Lessons from false crawls: why there’s no such thing as a mistake
  • 15:45 – Four choices when things go wrong: blame, ignore, or reframe
  • 17:30 – Sea turtles as teachers of resilience, wisdom, and adaptability
Tools, Frameworks, or Strategies Mentioned

  • Five steps for shifting from mistake to teachable moment
  • Psychological safety and growth mindset in resilience practice
  • Loggerhead Marinelife Center & conservation advocacy resources

Closing Insight

“Next time you think you’ve made a mistake, picture the mama sea turtle on the beach, resilient, persistent, and always learning.”

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Balancing Purpose and Profit in Ocean Conservation with Andy Dehart Part 127 Aug 202500:56:46

What do sharks, sea turtles, and coral reefs teach us about resilience?

In this powerful conversation, Andy Dehart, shark biologist turned CEO of Loggerhead Marinelife Center, shares lessons from the ocean that apply as much to human resilience as they do to marine ecosystems. From tiger sharks’ unique feeding strategies to sea turtles’ fight for survival, this episode uncovers how risk, adaptation, and purpose drive conservation success.

What You’ll Learn:

  • Why sea turtles embody resilience by balancing risk, survival, and adaptation
  • How aquariums fuel conservation and education, connecting communities to ecosystems they may never see firsthand
  • The real threats facing coral reefs and marine life, including plastics, disease, and climate-driven heat stress, and the innovative solutions being tried
  • Why purpose-driven organizations must operate with business discipline to remain financially sustainable
  • Inspiring animal encounters that reveal the emotional and cognitive depth of marine species

Episode Highlights:

  • 03:18 – How tiger sharks have adapted to hunt sea turtles, and how turtles outsmart them
  • 09:42 – Lessons in risk and reward from sea turtles’ foraging, and Andy’s own career journey
  • 16:09 – Why aquariums are essential for sparking conservation in communities far from the ocean
  • 24:51 – Coral reef challenges: heat stress, disease, and innovative rescue strategies
  • 33:05 – Balancing purpose-driven missions with business-minded funding models
  • 41:12 – A personal story: bonding with a tiger shark and the surprising intelligence of sharks
  • 49:20 – Loggerhead’s future: education, underserved community access, and immersive ocean technology

Meet the Guest:

Andy Dehart is the CEO of Loggerhead Marinelife Center, a world-renowned sea turtle hospital and conservation hub. With decades of experience in aquariums, shark research, and marine science communication, he has appeared on Discovery Channel and National Geographic, inspiring global audiences with his deep commitment to ocean conservation.

Closing Insight:

“There’s no reward without risk. The biggest leaps in my career came when I stepped into uncertainty.” – Andy Dehart

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The Honey Badger’s Guide To Courage, Part 120 Aug 2025

What can the fearless honey badger teach us about courage and resilience in everyday life?

In this episode of Resilience Gone Wild, host Jessica Morgenthal explores how nature’s most determined survivor embodies the lessons we need to rise after setbacks, face challenges head-on, and inspire resilience in others.

Through vivid storytelling, Jessica reveals how the honey badger’s adaptability, persistence, and grit offer a natural blueprint for building courage muscles that help us thrive in the wilds of work, relationships, and personal growth.

What You’ll Learn:

  • The key differences between bravery (a flash of action) and courage (a steady flame).
  • Why resilience is built through small, repeated acts of courage rather than one big leap.
  • How the honey badger’s adaptability mirrors our own need for flexibility in uncertain times.
  • Why setbacks are not failures but essential steps in the resilience journey.
  • How acts of courage ripple outward to inspire communities, families, and teams.
Episode Highlights:

  • 03:12 – The fearless nature of honey badgers and what it teaches us about resilience.
  • 08:45 – Bravery vs. courage: why one fades quickly while the other endures.
  • 14:20 – Daily practices to strengthen your “courage muscle.”
  • 19:05 – Ripple effects: how personal courage inspires resilience in others.
  • 25:33 – Honey badger conservation and why protecting resilience in the wild matters.
  • 32:10 – Closing reflections: applying nature’s courage lessons to your own life.
Tools, Frameworks, and Concepts:

  • Functional Resilience – Courage as a daily, practiced skill.
  • Courage Ripple Effect – One act of courage multiplies across communities.
  • Resilience Muscle – Built through repeated acts of persistence and adaptability.
  • Nature as Teacher – Using wildlife as metaphors for personal transformation.
Memorable Quotes:

“True courage isn’t the absence of fear; it’s the willingness to rise again and again, no matter how hard the fall.” — Jessica Morgenthal

“Bravery is a flash. Courage is a flame that never goes out.” — Jessica Morgenthal

“Courage isn’t about giant leaps. It’s about steady, deliberate movement, like the honey badger advancing through the wild.” — Jessica Morgenthal

“By embodying courage, we inspire those around us to do the same, creating waves of resilience that reach far beyond our own lives.” — Jessica Morgenthal

Closing Insight:

Like the honey badger, we can thrive not by avoiding challenges but by stepping into them with persistence and adaptability. Every small act of courage strengthens resilience—for ourselves and for those around us.

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The Honey Badger’s Guide To Courage, Part 2, with guest Oliver Dauert20 Aug 2025

How do resilience, adaptability, and courage come together when life feels most uncertain?

In Part 2 of Episode 51 of Resilience Gone Wild, host Jessica Morgenthal dives deeper into the lessons from nature’s most fearless survivor: the honey badger.

This continuation expands on Part 1 by exploring how courage becomes contagious, how resilience grows through setbacks, and how small, deliberate acts of adaptability help us face our own “wild” with strength and purpose.

What You’ll Learn:

  • Why the resilience muscle grows stronger through daily practice.
  • How courage and adaptability create ripple effects in families, communities, and organizations.
  • What the honey badger’s behavior teaches us about confronting challenges without hesitation.
  • Why setbacks are essential to building long-term resilience.
  • How nature offers a living blueprint for cultivating courage in human life.
Episode Highlights:

  • 02:50 – Why resilience requires adaptability in the face of the unexpected.
  • 07:18 – The ripple effect of courage: how one person’s bravery inspires many.
  • 11:42 – Lessons from the honey badger on persistence through setbacks.
  • 17:30 – How small, repeated acts of courage shape long-term resilience.
  • 23:55 – Nature as teacher: why observing wildlife transforms our perspective on resilience.
  • 27:40 – Final reflections on courage, adaptability, and thriving in uncertainty.
Tools, Frameworks, and Concepts:

  • Functional Resilience – Built through adaptability and persistence.
  • Courage Ripple Effect – How one act inspires others to follow.
  • Resilience Muscle – Strengthened by repeated acts of courage.
  • Nature as Teacher – Using wildlife metaphors to understand human growth.
  • Adaptability Blueprint – Lessons from animals on thriving in uncertainty.
Memorable Quotes:

“Resilience is not built in a single moment—it’s built through the steady rhythm of courage repeated daily.” — Jessica Morgenthal

“Adaptability is resilience in motion, the way we adjust when life throws us into the wild.” — Jessica Morgenthal

“Every setback is not an ending—it’s part of the resilience blueprint.” — Jessica Morgenthal

Closing Insight:

Courage is contagious. Like the honey badger, we can embody persistence and adaptability so fully that our resilience doesn’t just change our lives—it ripples out to strengthen those around us.

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Tracking Giants: The Resilient Work Behind Whale Shark Conservation08 Aug 202500:58:22

What can a gentle ocean giant teach us about leadership, adaptability, and resilience in the face of uncertainty? 

In this episode of Resilience Gone Wild, marine conservationist Stella Diamant shares her journey from Belgium to the turquoise waters of Madagascar, where she founded the Madagascar Whale Shark Project.

Through her lens, we explore Resilience Through Nature, the Win-Win-Win Mindset, and the art of Purpose-Driven Leadership that bridges community needs with environmental stewardship.

What You’ll Learn:

  • Why whale sharks are living symbols of Resilient Leadership from the Animal Kingdom
  • How Stella navigated rejection and resource scarcity with a Regenerative Thinking approach
  • The science, mystery, and global collaboration behind tracking whale shark migration
  • Practical ways individuals and teams can support conservation without a science background
  • How conservation leadership mirrors challenges in business, teams, and systemic change

Episode Highlights:

03:14 – The moment Stella realized veterinary work wasn’t her calling

09:28 – How a remote village in Madagascar reshaped her view of conservation

16:45 – Lessons from whale sharks’ “thick skin” and adaptability

24:02 – Building trust with local communities for lasting environmental impact

31:20 – The role of mentorship and global networks in marine research

38:47 – Why whale shark migration remains one of nature’s greatest mysteries

44:55 – Confronting the threats: microplastics, vessel strikes, and climate change

51:33 – Action steps anyone can take to help protect whale sharks

Meet the Guest:

Stella Diamant is the founder of the Madagascar Whale Shark Project, dedicated to researching and protecting whale sharks through science, community engagement, and eco-tourism best practices. Her work blends rigorous research with nature-inspired coaching principles that resonate beyond marine conservation.

Tools, Frameworks, or Strategies Mentioned:

  • Resilience Through Nature approach
  • Win-Win-Win Mindset for conservation and community development
  • Global whale shark photo-ID database (SharkBook)
  • Tagging technology for long-term marine research

Closing Insight:

“Conservation is about adapting, pivoting, and staying solid in the face of uncertainty.”

Discover how nature’s largest fish can inspire a more conscious, connected way of leading and living. Listen now and explore more episodes of Resilience Gone Wild to fuel your journey toward purpose-driven impact.

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Shark Week Part 3 – The Myth of Thick Skin: Resilience Lessons from Whale Sharks (Episode 49)25 Jul 202500:25:05

Welcome back to Shark Week! This is Part 3 in the series which follows insightful guest episodes with Rare Shark Guy David Ebert and Marine Life and Shark Artivist Francesca Page. In this episode, host Jessica Morgenthal explores the fascinating world of whale sharks and the surprising lessons their thick skin offers for building resilience and emotional health. Jessica dives into their unique beauty, life, behavior, anatomy, and migration patterns and how these massive the gentle giants of the ocean thrive by filtering in what nourishes them and letting go of what doesn’t serve them. This episode highlights how we, too, can develop emotional resilience by cultivating discernment, practicing mindfulness, and embracing our natural boundaries. Listeners will learn why conservation efforts to protect whale sharks and their ocean habitats matter for the health of our entire planet and how our emotional wellbeing is deeply connected to nature’s wisdom

Takeaways

  1. The thick skin of whale sharks and their ability to filter what serves them offers us a new metaphor for more actively choosing what serves us.
  2. Thick skin is not about shutting out the world but about discernment and healthy boundaries.
  3. We can grow around our wounds and build strength through mindful self-care.
  4. True resilience means managing our emotions with intentionality.
  5. Emotional health thrives when we consciously choose what to let in and what to keep out.
  6. Whale sharks face threats from climate change and pollution; conservation is crucial.Sharing knowledge about whale sharks inspires collective care and environmental awareness.
  7. Our wellbeing and the planet’s health are deeply interconnected.Mindfulness, nature connection, and community action help build resilience for all.

Sound Bites

  1. “We, like whale sharks, are shaped by what we let in, not what we block out.”
  2. “Thick skin doesn’t mean you stop feeling — it means you discern wisely.”
  3. “Resilience is learning to feel deeply without drowning in the waves.”
  4. “When we care for whale sharks, we care for our own emotional ecosystem too.

Whale Shark Resources

  1. Georgia Aquarium Whale Shark Research Program: https://www.georgiaaquarium.org/conserve/whale-shark-research/
  2. Galapagos Whale Shark Project: https://www.galapagoswhaleshark.org/
  3. WWF: Whale Shark Facts and Conservation: https://www.worldwildlife.org/species/whale-shark
  4. National Geographic: Whale Shark Facts: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/fish/facts/whale-shark
  5. Tagging and Tracking: Marine Megafauna Foundation Whale Shark Program: https://www.marinemegafauna.org/whale-sharks
  6. Disney’s Destiny from Finding Dory: https://youtu.be/Vuz8a5C9jYw
  7. National Geographic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQrBwN39LJI
  8. Video from Bubble Vision: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUMUSFLyZpU
  9. All About Whale Sharks for Children: Whale Shark video for Kids – FreeSchool: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jApMS38YR6w

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Shark Week Part 2 – The Art of Saving the Oceans and Marine Life with Francesca Page (Episode 48) 16 Jul 202501:21:04

This episode is Part 2 of our special Shark Week celebration on Resilience Gone Wild. Host Jessica Morgenthal talks with Francesca Page — marine conservationist, underwater photographer, and visual storyteller — about her inspiring journey from fearing the ocean to becoming one of its most passionate defenders. Francesca explores how art and storytelling can shift public perceptions about sharks, highlight the impact of bycatch, and drive community action for healthier oceans. She also shares her groundbreaking 200 Sharks initiative and the importance of finding your unique way to contribute to our planet’s wellbeing.

Key Takeaways

  1. Art is a universal language that helps connect people to conservation.
  2. Overcoming fear can open doors to deep, meaningful work.
  3. Sharks are essential for ocean health and biodiversity.
  4. Bycatch remains a major threat to marine life.
  5. Storytelling and visual art can make complex issues relatable.
  6. Community involvement is key to sustainable conservation.
  7. Francesca’s 200 Sharks project brings awareness to sharks’ vital role.
  8. Compassion and understanding strengthen conservation work.
  9. Everyone has unique skills to contribute to protecting the planet.
  10. Turning your passion into action can make real change.

Sound Bites

  1. “Art is this universal language.”
  2. “Fear was all in the mind.”
  3. “Compassion is key in conservation.”

Resources Mentioned:

Francesca Page LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/francesca-page-056580317/

Francesca Page Website: https://www.francescapageart.com/

Francesca Page YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@francescapageart

Award Winning Photo: https://www.francescapageart.com/photography?pgid=m09s3850-fe3ff6c7-d262-4510-9dfe-b84d33d5515c

Brian Skerry, Francesca’s Mentor: https://brianskerry.com/

Francesa Page Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/francescaapage?igsh=Zzl5cTN2dmNpYnox

  1. Whale Sharks https://www.instagram.com/reel/DGLud-TN3i0/?igsh=MXRpbHAxbHQ4b3cxNA==
  2. Thresher Sharks https://www.instagram.com/reel/DCzW5EVtXYt/?igsh=cWd6MWJiZWQyODU5
  3. Smoothnosed Wedgefish https://www.instagram.com/reel/DGvvUdit_rH/?igsh=eHN4aHg0OGp5Y3A1

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Shark Week Part 1 – Beyond Jaws: Marine Biology, Conservation & Shark Truths with Dave Ebert (Ep. 47)09 Jul 202501:02:45

In this very special SHARK WEEK episode of Resilience Gone Wild, host Jessica Morgenthal dives deep with renowned shark scientist David Ebert, exploring how sharks have been misunderstood for decades, especially since the blockbuster impact of Jaws. Dave shares his fascinating journey from childhood curiosity to becoming an internationally recognized marine biologist studying sharks and rays.

Together, they discuss the evolution of shark research, how the cultural fear sparked by Jaws paradoxically boosted funding for shark studies, and why lesser-known shark species are vital for healthy marine ecosystems. The conversation emphasizes the power of education to debunk shark myths, the importance of connecting with local fishing communities for conservation success, and the thrill of exploration that keeps marine biology fresh and impactful. If you’ve ever wondered what sharks are really like—or how you can help protect them—this episode is for you.

Takeaways:

  • The film Jaws forever changed public perception of sharks, fueling both fear and increased research interest.
  • Sharks were heavily fished long before Jaws hit theaters, but public awareness was low.
  • Shark awareness has grown through a mix of media, science communication, and marine exploration.
  • Sharks have complex behaviors and long-distance migration patterns still being studied today.
  • Conservation efforts for sharks must include local communities, especially in fishing areas where food security is a concern.
  • Charismatic species like great whites get the spotlight, but lesser-known sharks are equally critical for biodiversity.
  • Education and outreach are key to shifting public fear and promoting coexistence with these apex predators.
  • Cape Town, South Africa, offers a unique environment for pioneering shark research.
  • A career in marine biology is rarely linear—curiosity and resilience fuel the journey.
  • Sharing scientific stories can inspire the next generation of ocean stewards.

Keywords:

sharks, shark conservation, shark research, marine biology, shark behavior, Jaws movie, shark awareness, public perception of sharks, biodiversity, lesser-known shark species, charismatic species, local communities, marine ecosystems, ocean conservation, shark attacks, ecosystem health, sustainability, fishing communities, shark myths, Cape Town marine research

Sound Bites:

“Jaws was actually good for sharks—it got people interested.”

“Sharks were fished long before Jaws made them famous.”

“Charismatic species are great ambassadors, but it’s the lesser-known sharks that keep ecosystems strong.”

“Sharks are misunderstood and essential for ocean health.”

Resources:

Shark Mentions!

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The Power and Potential of Fungi with Marc Violo (Episode 46)02 Jul 202500:59:23

In this episode of Resilience Gone Wild, host Jessica Morgenthal speaks with fungi enthusiast and circular economy advocate Marc Violo about the hidden potential of fungi across multiple sectors. From agriculture and pest control to sustainable materials and healthcare, Marc unpacks the extraordinary power of fungi and the vital role of mycelium networks in plant communication. He shares his personal journey into mycology in China, India and across the globe and emphasizes how storytelling can shift cultural attitudes and drive innovation in fungal science. This conversation explores the circular economy as a blueprint for sustainable living, the need for greater conservation efforts, and how policy must evolve to support fungal research. If you’ve ever been curious about the future of mushrooms beyond the dinner plate, this episode is for you.

Takeaways:

  • Fungi are an entirely separate biological kingdom from plants, with immense environmental value.
  • Fungi and flora are highly dependent on each other
  • The circular economy promotes designing systems and products with sustainability and reusability in mind.
  • Fungi are powerful allies in agriculture, offering natural solutions for pest management.
  • Mycelium networks connect plants and aid in ecological communication and nutrient sharing.
  • Fungi contain bioactive compounds with promising applications in healthcare and medicine.
  • Cultural narratives shape how we understand and utilize fungi—storytelling can break barriers.
  • Conservation policies must expand to protect fungal biodiversity and ecosystem contributions.
  • Innovation in fungal materials could reshape packaging, fashion, and building industries.

Sound Bites:

  • “Fungi are a separate kingdom from plants.”
  • “Mycelium networks help plants communicate and thrive.”
  • “Fungi play a crucial role in agriculture and sustainability.”
  • “The future of fungi lies in innovation and circular design.”
  • “Storytelling helps people connect with the fungal world.”

Resources & Links:

Keywords:

fungi, mycology, mycelium, circular economy, sustainability, regenerative agriculture, fungal innovation, pest management, bioactive compounds, fungal healthcare, sustainable design, conservation, fungal storytelling, environmental policy, plant communication, mushroom farming, sustainable materials, fungal networks

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Tails of Resilience Part 2: Saving the Tasmanian Devil with Dean Reid (Episode 45)25 Jun 202500:56:48

This is Part 2 of our deep dive into the world of Tasmanian devils with Aussie Ark’s Dean Reid. In this follow-up conversation, Dean shares even more insight into breeding programs, marsupial behavior, and the critical role community involvement plays in preserving Australia’s unique wildlife. We explore the impact of introduced predators, the power of celebrity influence in raising awareness, and the sustainable management strategies that keep Aussie Ark running. Dean also discusses how understanding animal behavior can foster deeper human-wildlife connections and emphasizes that conservation is a collective responsibility. Whether you’re passionate about protecting biodiversity or just curious about Taz, Tasmanian devils or marsupials, this episode is filled with practical wisdom, inspiring stories, and hopeful solutions.

Takeaways:

  • The Tasmanian devil’s name reflects its loud vocalizations and nocturnal habits that scared Europeans into naming them devils.
  • Breeding programs are vital to restoring devil populations impacted by facial tumor disease and are successfully saving the devils.
  • Possums, the only North American marsupial, are misunderstood and play key positive roles in local ecosystems.
  • Aussie Ark serves as a sanctuary for Tasmanian devils and other endangered wildlife.
  • Dean Reid embraced nature and conservation later in life when he needed a way to literally save him, proving it’s never too late to change your life and make a difference.
  • Human introduction of non-native species for a narrow goal so often threaten the survival of native flora and fauna and drove devils in mainland Australia to extinction.
  • Celebrity support has helped raise global awareness for Aussie Ark’s efforts.
  • Aussie Ark is managed strategically for long-term resilience with a three-year planning cycle and financing.
  • Every individual—through education, donations, or habitat creation—can help save species.

Sound Bites:

“Possums are very good breeders and misunderstood contributors to the ecosystem.”

“You never know what can happen. It’s all about working with nature.”

“Introduced species have changed the game—we’re trying to catch up.”

“Every little bit helps, and the community is a big part of our success.”

Keywords:

Tasmanian devils, wildlife conservation, Aussie Ark, marsupials, breeding programs, endangered species, animal behavior, introduced species, genetic diversity, community involvement, nature education, ecosystem balance, habitat protection, fundraising for conservation, Dean Reid, Aussie Ark, wildlife sanctuaries, conservation tourism, Australian wildlife, biodiversity

Resources:

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Tails of Resilience: How Tasmanian Devils Store Strength for Hard Times (Episode 44)18 Jun 202500:23:15

In this episode of Resilience Gone Wild, host Jessica Morgenthal explores the extraordinary resilience of the Tasmanian devil, one of Australia’s most iconic and misunderstood marsupials. Known for their fierce vocalizations and scavenging habits, Tasmanian devils are also masters of survival. One of their most fascinating adaptations is how they store fat in their thick, muscular tails, an evolutionary strategy that allows them to survive long periods without food by relying on these reserves. Jessica dives into this natural design and what it teaches us about preparing for life’s lean times and the many types of resilience we would benefit from building up. The episode also sheds light on the devastating impact of devil facial tumor disease (DFTD), the power of conservation, and how organizations like Aussie Ark are fighting to protect this resilient species. This is a powerful reflection on what we can learn from wildlife about adaptability, endurance, and the quiet strength of preparing for uncertainty.

Takeaways:

  • Tasmanian devils store fat in their tails, a key survival mechanism during times of food scarcity.
  • Their tail condition is a visible indicator of overall health and resilience.
  • The behavior and biology of Tasmanian devils demonstrate how nature prepares for uncertainty.
  • Human resilience can mirror nature’s resilience by building up eight different types of wellness reserves.
  • Devil facial tumor disease has led to a dramatic decline in wild populations, making conservation efforts critical.
  • Wildlife conservation relies on public awareness and evolving perceptions of misunderstood species.

Keywords:

Tasmanian devil, Aussie Ark, resilience, tail fat storage, wildlife conservation, devil facial tumor disease, energy reserves, animal survival strategies, biodiversity, nature adaptation, marsupials, stress response, environmental awareness, sustainability, financial resilience, emotional resilience, occupational resilience, spiritual resilience, physical resilience, social resilience, intellectual resilience, environmental resilience

Sound Bites:

“Prepare for lean times when the scent of food fades.”

“Building resilience by building up reserves.”

“Nature has already mapped out how to survive the hard times.”

“The Tasmanian devil reminds us that strength is often quiet and steady.”

“Resilience doesn’t need a spotlight.”

Resources & Further Reading:

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Resilient Healthy Bodies Begin with Gut Biodiversity with Elisa Bremner – RD, Green Bites (Ep 43)11 Jun 202500:57:51

In this episode of Resilience Gone Wild, host Jessica Morgenthal sits down with registered dietician Elisa to unpack the powerful connection between gut health, biodiversity, and resilience. They explore how the gut biome plays a critical role in immunity, mental health, and overall well-being. The conversation covers everything from the benefits of a fiber-rich, plant-forward diet to the dangers of monocrops, processed foods, and environmental toxins. They also highlight how regenerative farming and mindful nutrition choices contribute to a healthier planet and body. With a practical, compassionate lens, Jessica and Elisa guide listeners toward nutritional diversity, emphasizing progress over perfection and the importance of aligning eating habits with personal purpose and values.

Key Takeaways:

  • A diverse gut microbiome supports immunity, mood, and resilience.
  • Fiber is essential for a thriving gut biome.
  • Shifting from dieting to purpose-driven eating leads to sustainable wellness.
  • Monocrops and processed foods reduce both nutritional and environmental diversity.
  • Regenerative agriculture enhances soil health and ecosystem resilience.
  • Plant-forward diets are backed by research for longevity and gut function. It’s about putting more plants in no going for all or nothing. 
  • Small, consistent changes are more impactful than extreme diets.
  • Gut health can respond to dietary changes in as little as 24. True for healthy and unhealthy changes! 
  • Changing your eating habits is a practice. A lifestyle. Like any other healthy change, it’s about long term commitment and embracing the treats too!
  • Mindful eating increases enjoyment and improves food relationships.
  • Embracing imperfection is key to lasting health.

Notable Quotes:

  • “Diversity always leads to resilience.”
  • “Your gut can change within 24 hours.”
  • “It’s not about dieting; it’s about health.”
  • “Eat the rainbow—not Skittles.”
  • “Crowding in more vegetables is key.”
  • “You have to have an inner sense of purpose.”

Resources:

Elisa’s Website: https://green-bites.com/

Elisa on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elisa-bremner-rd/

https://www.myplate.gov/eat-healthy/what-is-myplate

Biggest Little Farm: https://www.biggestlittlefarmmovie.com/

The Guardian: Experts say we need to eat 30 plants a week. This is how I fared

BBC:  Are you getting your 30 plants a week? Plant points explained

Healthline (includes gut and brain health connection): How Does Your Gut Microbiome Impact Your Overall Health?

BBC: How gut bacteria are controlling your brain

Harvard Health on eating healthy vs taking supplements: Probiotics and prebiotics: what’s really important – Harvard Health

Keywords:

gut biome, gut health, fiber, biodiversity, regenerative farming, plant-based diet, processed foods, nutrition, resilience, immunity, dietary diversity, gut-brain connection, mindful eating, environmental impact, monocrops, sustainable agriculture

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Parrotfish Master Sleep Part 2 – Animal Sleep Secrets with Dr. John Lesku (Episode 42)04 Jun 202500:58:53

In this fascinating episode of Resilience Gone Wild, host Jessica Morgenthal speaks with Dr. John Lesku, a leading sleep researcher, about the amazing patterns and processes of sleep in animals of all types —and what they can teach us about human health, resilience, and performance.

From parrotfish building mucus cocoons to sleep safely, to dolphins sleeping in with one eye and half brain alert, to penguins napping in microbursts, and birds sleeping mid-flight, this episode explores the incredible adaptations across species that allow sleep to happen in even the most challenging environments.

Lesku discusses the latest sleep science, including how pollution and urban noise disrupt wildlife sleep, how sleep deprivation impairs cognition in both animals and humans, and why sleep hygiene is vital for long-term wellness. Together, they make a compelling case for rethinking our relationship with rest, emphasizing that sleep is not a luxury—it’s a biological necessity.

Takeaways:

  1. Sleep is essential to survival and health, both for humans and animals.
  2. Sleep impacts cognitive function, emotional regulation, and decision-making.
  3. Sleep deprivation can be as impairing as intoxication.
  4. Many animals have unique sleep strategies, including unihemispheric sleep in cetaceans, birds and other animals.
  5. Parrotfish secrete a protective mucus cocoon as a natural sleep defense.
  6. Penguins and migratory birds thrive with fragmented or polyphasic sleep patterns.
  7. Urban wildlife adapt sleep to manage noise pollution and artificial light.
  8. Sensory gating helps humans and more-than-human animals selectively process information while asleep.
  9. Individual sleep needs vary, and there’s no one-size-fits-all approach.
  10. Research on animal sleep can inform better human sleep practices and resilience strategies.

Sound Bites:

  1. “We need to pay more attention to a third of our life.”
  2. “Sleep is one of the main pillars of a healthy lifestyle.”
  3. “Sleep loss affects cognitive flexibility in animals.”
  4. “Animals have amazing adaptations to permit sleep.”
  5. “Light pollution halves the amount of sleep birds get.”
  6. “Protect your sleep—it’s essential for your well-being.”
  7. “Penguins get about 11 hours of sleep a night—in tiny increments.”

Resources & Further Learning:

  1. Dr. John Lesku – La Trobe University
  2. Sleep Ecophysiology Lab at La Trobe University (John Lesku’s research lab)
  3. National Sleep Foundation – Sleep and Health
  4. International Journal of Sleep Research
  5. Nature and Sleep: How Wildlife Rest

Keywords:

sleep, animal sleep, sleep deprivation, sleep hygiene, cognitive effects, sleep research, parrotfish, marine mammals, sleep patterns, resilience, birds and sleep, sensory gating, urban wildlife, sleep in animals, penguins, migratory birds, one-hemisphere sleep, nature and rest, sleep and pollution

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Parrotfish Master Sleep Part 1 – Safety in Mucus Bubbles (Episode 40)28 May 202500:18:50

In this episode of Resilience Gone Wild, host Jessica Morgenthal explores one of the most fascinating sleep strategies in the natural world—the mucus bubble of the parrotfish. Each night, parrotfish excrete a jelly-like mucus cocoon that envelops their bodies, acting as a protective shield against predators and parasites while they sleep on the ocean floor.

Jessica uses this captivating natural behavior to highlight a powerful metaphor for human rest and resilience. Just like parrotfish build a physical barrier to sleep safely, we too can create intentional routines and mental boundaries that shield us from the stressors that disrupt our rest. She shares practical tips to protect your rest from external threats like noise and light, and internal ones like overthinking, anxiety, and emotional overload.

This episode is a must-listen for anyone looking to build better sleep habits, establish emotional safety, and restore their strength through the power of rest.

Takeaways

  • Parrotfish secrete a mucus cocoon each night, which helps them sleep safely by masking their scent from predators and repelling parasites.
  • Their bubble is reapplied nightly, offering both security and recovery—essential for survival in coral reef ecosystems.
  • We can mirror this by creating protective sleep environments that reduce interruptions and promote restoration.
  • Managing internal “sleep predators” like ruminating thoughts, guilt, or stress is as important as addressing external ones.
  • Relaxation rituals, like journaling or breathing techniques, can be your version of a nightly cocoon.
  • Sleep isn’t a luxury—it’s a non-negotiable tool for resilience.
  • Protecting ocean life like the parrotfish helps us preserve the wisdom nature holds for our own wellbeing.

Sound Bites

  • “Parrotfish don’t just sleep—they bubble-wrap themselves for safety.”
  • “What’s in your resilience toolkit? For the parrotfish, it’s mucus.”
  • “Creating a barrier between you and the chaos of the world—that’s resilience.”
  • “Rest is not weakness—it’s a protective force.”
  • “Your bedtime routine can be your cocoon.”

Resources

Keywords

parrotfish, sleep adaptation, resilience, rest, sleep protection, mucus bubble, ocean life, stress management, relaxation, sleep routine, nature-inspired wellness, sleep hygiene, bedtime ritual, internal sleep predators, emotional resilience, environmental protection

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Up Close and Personal with Ed Eisenson – Navy Veteran & Deep Sea Diver (Ep 40)22 May 202500:23:12

In this inspiring Memorial Day episode of Resilience Gone Wild, host Jessica Morgenthal welcomes Navy veteran Ed Eisenson for a powerful conversation about service, sacrifice, and the resilience found in both military life and nature. Ed shares personal reflections from his time in the Navy, diving deep into the emotional weight of Memorial Day, the camaraderie of military service, and the transformative experiences of deep sea diving.

The episode explores the connection between underwater exploration and life lessons, revealing how time spent below the surface can mirror the internal journey of resilience and self-discovery. From honoring the legacy of World War II veterans to embracing life’s joys and discomforts, Ed offers timeless wisdom for living fully and appreciating the people and moments that shape us.

Takeaways:

  • Memorial Day is a sacred opportunity to honor all who served, both fallen and living.
  • Ed views everyone who participated in WWII as a hero, regardless of rank or role.
  • The impact of military service ripples through families, communities, and generations.
  • Deep sea diving offers both physical challenges and spiritual insights.
  • Nature and the ocean provide powerful metaphors for resilience, healing, and reflection.
  • Resilience means embracing discomfort, uncertainty, and growth throughout life.
  • Meaningful living requires taking chances and being open to adventure.
  • Shared memories, especially with loved ones and fellow veterans, are treasures to hold onto.
  • Life is short—dive deep, live fully, and make every moment count.

Sound Bites:

  • “Everyone who went through the war is a hero.”
  • “When you’re down there, there’s nothing else—it’s just you and the ocean.”
  • “The water has a way of clearing your mind and showing you what matters.”
  • “Take the trip. Make the call. Say the thing. That’s what life’s about.”
  • “We’re not here forever. Make it meaningful.”

Resources:

Keywords:

Memorial Day, Navy veteran, deep sea diving, World War II, military service, underwater exploration, resilience, personal growth, honoring veterans, connection with nature, life after service, embracing life, ocean storytelling, veteran wisdom, underwater lessons

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Breaking the Silence – Mental Health in Veterinary Medicine with Dr. Phil Richmond (Throwback, Episode 39)15 May 202500:39:53

In this powerful throwback episode originally recorded in October 2024, Resilience Gone Wild host Jessica Morgenthal sits down one-on-one with Dr. Phil Richmond, a veterinarian and passionate mental health advocate. In honor of Mental Health Awareness Month, this re-release sheds light on the often-overlooked mental health crisis within the veterinary profession—and the strength it takes to ask for help.

Dr. Richmond shares his deeply personal story of recovery from substance abuse and suicidal ideation, offering both vulnerability and hope. Jessica and Dr. Richmond explore how intentional breathing, reframing negative thoughts, and building psychological safety in workplaces can foster resilience. This conversation is a reminder that emotional well-being matters—for veterinarians, for caregivers, and for all of us.

Whether you’re struggling yourself or supporting someone who is, this episode offers tangible tools and a powerful message: you are not alone.

This episode was part 2 of a 2 part episodes about alligators and breathing. Check out episode 1 here: https://pod.link/1765376951/episode/2c44901c343d2fc22c26896f7c369252

Takeaways

  • This is a special re-release from October 2024 for Mental Health Awareness Month.
  • Dr. Phil Richmond opens up about his journey through substance abuse and suicidal ideation.
  • Veterinarians are at heightened risk for mental health challenges—and deserve more support.
  • Breathing techniques and mindfulness can reduce stress and improve daily functioning.
  • Negative self-talk can be disrupted with intentional, compassionate reframing.
  • Psychological safety in the workplace is essential for well-being and retention.
  • Building resilience requires practice, patience, and community.
  • Positive psychology offers evidence-based tools for personal and organizational growth.
  • Support systems are key—no one should struggle alone.
  • Asking for help is one of the most courageous steps we can take.

Sound Bites

  • “Resilience isn’t something you’re born with—it’s something you build.”
  • “No one should have to suffer in silence.”
  • “Breathing intentionally helped bring me back from the edge.”
  • “Asking for help isn’t weak—it’s wildly brave.”
  • “Mental health care should be a part of every workplace strategy.”

Resources

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The Wisdom of Mother Trees Part 2- Nurturing Young Minds with Rion Nakaya of The Kid Should See This (Episode 38)08 May 2025

Summary

In this episode of Resilience Gone Wild, Jessica Morgenthal speaks with Rion Nakaya, the founder and curator of The Kid Should See This (TKSST), an award-winning educational media platform for children. They explore how co-viewing curated videos can foster curiosity, resilience, and media literacy in young audiences. Rion discusses the importance of trust in digital content, the role of audio storytelling, and how authentic narratives help children connect more deeply with nature and science. The episode also touches on parenting metaphors like mother trees and mycelium networks, emphasizing the invisible but powerful role caregivers and educators play in cultivating learning ecosystems.

Takeaways

  • TKSST offers trustworthy, engaging educational videos for curious kids.
  • Co-viewing fosters connection and opens doors to deeper conversations.
  • Curated digital content can inspire lifelong learning and resilience.
  • Nature and science-based storytelling promotes environmental awareness.
  • Audio storytelling sparks imagination and emotional connection.
  • Children thrive when their natural curiosity is nurtured with intention.
  • Parents and educators are like mycelium—quietly connecting and nourishing growth.
  • Modeling failure and perseverance teaches emotional strength.
  • Community-driven learning platforms like TKSST help expand access to educational tools.
  • Media curation should balance entertainment, inspiration, and integrity.

Sound Bites

  • “The kids should see this.”
  • “Co-viewing helps families connect and learn together.”
  • “Audio storytelling activates the imagination.”
  • “Nature offers the best lessons in resilience.”
  • “I see myself as connecting the roots.”
  • “Modeling failure is just more information.”
  • “Curated content can help kids think like scientists and artists.”

Resources

Mentioned in the Episode

  • Ella Fitzgerald singing One Note Samba (1969)
  • Think Like a Tree: Problem-solving with nature’s best ideas
  • Mimicking Shark Skin to Combat Superbugs
  • How a kingfisher, an owl, and a penguin helped redesign Japan’s Shinkansen
  • Pass It On: Turning scraps into soccer balls for village children
  • A baby nine-banded armadillo found in a yard in Texas
  • How sand made from crushed glass can help rebuild Louisiana’s shrinking coast
  • How Crayons Are Made – Mister Rogers’ Neighborhood classic
  • Old Paper, New Paper – Sesame Street short
  • Drum from a Barrel – Sesame Street segment
  • The Wood Wide Web and The Sagan Series by Reid Gower

Kid Podcasts Mentioned

  • Tumble Science
  • Brains On
  • Pickle
  • But Why
  • Radiolab for Kids
  • Sound Carrot – podcast discovery platform for kids

Keywords

Rion Nakaya, TKSST, educational media, digital content for kids, co-viewing, parenting, media trust, audio storytelling, climate education, resilience, nature connection, storytelling, environmental awareness, children’s development, media literacy, sustainability, mother trees, community learning, educational videos for children

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The Wisdom of Mother Trees Part 1 – Nurturing Resilience Through Nature’s Network (Episode 37)01 May 2025

In this episode of Resilience Gone Wild, host Jessica Morgenthal explores the powerful metaphor of Mother Trees—the towering elders of old-growth forests who support, protect, and nourish their surrounding ecosystem through vast underground networks. Drawing from the latest research in forest ecology, Jessica reveals how these trees serve as a model for resilience, community care, and environmental sustainability.

Listeners will learn how Mother Trees communicate through the Wood Wide Web—a mycorrhizal network of fungi that connects trees and enables them to share nutrients, wisdom, and warnings. Through this lens, the episode uncovers deep insights into how humans can draw strength from quiet, unseen acts of care, interconnectedness, and mutual support. Jessica also discusses the urgent need to protect old-growth forests, which are critical to biodiversity, climate regulation, and ecosystem resilience.

Whether you’re navigating personal challenges or looking to deepen your environmental awareness, this episode offers inspiring nature-based lessons on resilience, legacy, and the power of nurturing others.

Keywords

Mother Trees, Resilience, Ecosystems, Interconnectedness, Nature Connection, Forest Ecology, Old-Growth Forests, Environmental Awareness, Sustainability, Wood Wide Web, Mycorrhizal Networks, Community Resilience, Climate Change, Legacy, Mutual Support, Forest Conservation, Emotional Strength, Nature Metaphors

Takeaways

  • Mother Trees serve as central caregivers within forest ecosystems, supporting younger trees through underground networks.
  • The Wood Wide Web is a real and vital system of communication between trees via mycorrhizal fungi.
  • Resilience often takes quiet, sustained forms—like offering support even when no one is watching.
  • Self-care enables us to be pillars of support for others.
  • Ecosystems thrive on interdependence—and so do we.
  • Old-growth forests play a crucial role in climate stability, carbon storage, and biodiversity.
  • We are not separate from nature; we are part of its intricate web.
  • Small, intentional actions can ripple outward, creating positive ecological and emotional impacts.
  • Legacy is built through acts of quiet care and purposeful connection.
  • Nature teaches us that community and resilience are deeply intertwined.

Resources

Explore More: Books, Videos, and Resources

Want to go deeper into the wisdom of Mother Trees and the resilient networks of the forest? Here are some powerful books, videos, and organizations to inspire, inform, and activate.

Books to Root Into
  • Finding the Mother Tree by Suzanne Simard
  • The memoir and scientific breakthrough that introduced the world to Mother Trees. A must-read for anyone curious about the Wood Wide Web.
  • The Hidden Life of Trees by Peter Wohlleben
  • A poetic and evidence-rich exploration of tree communication, companionship, and support.
  • Braiding Sweetgrass by Robin Wall Kimmerer
  • A beautifully braided collection of Indigenous wisdom, plant science, and reflections on reciprocity and connection.
  • To Speak for the Trees by Diana Beresford-Kroeger
  • Bridging Celtic wisdom and scientific insight, this book is a call to rewild our world—and our imaginations.
Watch and Wonder
  • Suzanne Simard’s TED Talk – How Trees Talk to Each Other
  • Watch on TED.com
  • A captivating overview of the underground forest network and the revolutionary research behind it.
  • Intelligent Trees (Documentary)
  • Watch on Vimeo
  • Featuring Simard and Wohlleben, this film brings the secret life of trees vividly to life.
  • PBS Nature – The Soul of the Forest
  • Explore on PBS
  • A stunning look into the interdependence of forest life.
Organizations and Projects Worth Supporting
  • Mother Tree Project – University of British Columbia
  • mothertreeproject.org
  • Ongoing research from Dr. Suzanne Simard’s team exploring the legacy and impact of Mother Trees in forest resilience.
  • Old-Growth Forest Network
  • oldgrowthforest.net
  • Working to identify and protect remaining old-growth forests across the U.S.
  • Forest Stewardship Council (FSC)
  • fsc.org
  • Promoting responsible forest management and certification standards.
  • Canopy Planet
  • canopyplanet.org
  • Creative, systems-based solutions for protecting ancient forests.
  • TreeSisters – Women Seeding Change
  • treesisters.org
  • A global movement reforesting the tropics while growing a culture of restoration and feminine leadership.
Nature-Inspired Practices From the Episode

Here are the three resilience-building activities mentioned in the episode, with full descriptions so you can try them yourself—or share with someone who might need them:

Root and Reach
  • Take a blank page and draw a line down the center. On one side, write what you want to build up in yourself this week. Maybe it’s energy, calm, creativity, confidence—whatever helps you feel strong and grounded. That’s your root.
  • On the other side, write where you want to offer care—someone or something that could use your presence, your attention, or your encouragement. That’s your reach.
  • Then look for a small action that connects the two.
  • Maybe your root is “calm” and your reach is a colleague who’s been really overwhelmed. Your action could be starting your day with a quiet walk, so you show up steady before checking in with them.
  • Maybe your root is “creativity” and your reach is a child or friend you haven’t connected with in a while. You might send them a voice memo with a silly drawing idea, or a memory that made you smile.
  • This tool helps you give care that’s thoughtful and sustainable—just like a mother tree: staying rooted, and reaching with intention.
Circle of Care Mapping
  • Draw three circles, like ripples in a pond. In the center, put yourself. In the next circle, add the people, animals, causes, or communities you’re closely connected to. And in the outer ring, include those you care about from a distance—maybe your local park, a neighbor you don’t know well, or a group of people or species you want to support.
  • Then take a moment to notice: where is care most needed right now?
  • And where could a small action from you create a ripple?
  • Maybe you text someone in your inner circle who always gives but rarely receives. Maybe you pick up trash in that park you love but rarely tend to. Maybe you speak up for a cause you’ve quietly supported from afar.
  • This practice helps widen your awareness—and when we widen our awareness, we become more resilient not just for ourselves, but for our communities.
Legacy Seeds
  • Simply ask yourself: what do I want to strengthen or protect for the future?
  • Maybe it’s kindness. Maybe it’s confidence. Maybe it’s clean air or trust in your team or creativity in your family.
  • Then plant a seed.
  • It could be starting a new habit, like composting or reading together before bed. It could be reaching out to someone younger and offering mentorship. It could even be writing a note to someone who mothered you in some way—and letting them know their care mattered.
  • This practice helps you build resilience by shifting from urgency to legacy—from reaction to intention. It reminds us that even the smallest act can take root in someone else’s life.

Sound Bites

“They share resources, adjust to changes.”

“Resilience doesn’t rise alone.”

“This is legacy in motion.”

“What stories might this tree be holding?”

“We’re not separate from nature.”

“Like trees, we grow stronger together.”

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Up Close and Personal: Katie Patrick on Gamification, Climate Action, and Creative Learning (Episode 36)23 Apr 2025

Summary

In this dynamic episode of Resilience Gone Wild, host Jessica Morgenthal sits down with environmental engineer, designer, and author Katie Patrick to discuss a groundbreaking approach to environmental education—one that goes beyond awareness and centers on action design. Katie shares her journey from Australia to Silicon Valley and reveals how her experiences shaped the development of tools like the Earth Doctors curriculum and the School of Climate Action Design. These programs aim to inspire sustainable behavior change through gamification, creative expression, and hands-on learning, especially for children.

The conversation emphasizes the psychological underpinnings of environmental behavior change, the importance of data-driven design, and the power of storytelling, small group collaboration, and maker spaces in creating lasting impact. Katie and Jessica explore how reframing education into action unlocks greater community engagement and builds long-term resilience. Whether you’re a parent, educator, climate communicator, or just someone looking to make a difference, this episode is packed with insights for anyone passionate about sustainability and systems-level change.

Keywords

environmental education, behavior change, sustainability, climate action, action design, Katie Patrick, Earth Doctors, gamification, children’s environmental curriculum, maker spaces, environmental psychology, environmentalism, community engagement, eco-friendly kids, social impact design, creativity and sustainability, school of climate action, pro-environmental behavior, data visualization, climate solutions

Takeaways

  • Environmental education should prioritize action design over passive learning.
  • Programs like Earth Doctors engage kids through interactive storytelling, maker-based learning, and vision-building for a greener future.
  • Creative expression—especially art and storytelling—can powerfully shape eco-conscious behaviors.
  • Behavior change is rooted in habit awareness and emotional connection, not just knowledge.
  • Small groups and community settings are more effective than mass education efforts for catalyzing change.
  • Tools like gamification and behavioral triggers can make environmental action more engaging.
  • Environmental data, when visualized and communicated effectively, empowers people to act.
  • Maker spaces give children hands-on experiences, increasing personal agency and sustainability literacy.
  • Bridging political and social divides requires listening, shared values, and patience.
  • The School of Climate Action Design offers a new model for activating local communities in climate solutions.

Sound Bites

  • “I focus on action design, not education.”
  • “We need to imagine positive eco futures.”
  • “Art triggers pro-environmental behavior.”
  • “If kids grow the tomato, they will eat it.”
  • “Gamification makes change fun—and sticky.”
  • “Don’t get sucked into the overwhelm. Just start.”

Resources:

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Go for Net Positive Part 2 with John Friedman, Author of Managing Sustainability: First Steps to First Class (Episode 35)16 Apr 2025

In this powerful follow-up episode of Resilience Gone Wild, Jessica Morgenthal sits down with sustainability expert and author John Friedman to explore the evolving landscape of corporate sustainability, ESG (Environmental, Social, and Governance) strategy, and the role of business in tackling climate change. Friedman shares deep insights into how forward-thinking companies are aligning profitability with environmental and social impact—and why doing so is essential for long-term success.

The episode explores the metaphor of Galapagos tortoise recovery as a symbol of hope for environmental restoration, the politicization of climate conversations, and the importance of embracing systemic thinking in addressing today’s global challenges. John breaks down key concepts like carbon markets, the energy transition, and the economic implications of climate inaction. With a sharp focus on generational leadership, inclusive work environments, and transparency in corporate culture, this episode is a must-listen for sustainability professionals, corporate leaders, and climate-conscious consumers alike.

Key Takeaways

  • Sustainability must be integrated into core business strategy, not treated as a side initiative.
  • Environmental, social, and governance (ESG) practices have been proven to be vital for modern business success.
  • Diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) help companies attract and retain top talent.
  • Stories like the Galapagos tortoise recovery offer hope in the face of ecological crisis.
  • Climate change requires bipartisan solutions and unified commitment.
  • The politicization of sustainability delays necessary climate action.
  • Businesses must be transparent about their environmental and social impact.
  • Carbon markets and renewable energy are reshaping the global economy.
  • Systemic thinking is necessary for addressing climate challenges.
  • The younger generation is demanding corporate accountability aligned with their values.
  • Empowered consumers can drive industry-wide change with their purchasing power.
  • Capitalism, when harnessed for good, can accelerate sustainable development.
  • The social cost of carbon will become an integral part of economic frameworks.
  • We must realign economic models with planetary boundaries and human well-being.

Sound Bites

  • “Sustainability is achieved when economic, social, and environmental arguments align.”
  • “We’re the first species aware of our own potential extinction—and capable of preventing it.”
  • “You can’t solve a systemic issue with siloed thinking.”
  • “Businesses have a choice: adapt or become irrelevant.”
  • “Gen Z and Millennials aren’t letting their values slip through the cracks.”
  • “Transparency builds trust—and trust drives impact.”
  • “The recovery of the Galapagos tortoise shows what’s possible when we commit to change.”

Resources

John Friedman on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnfriedman/

Managing Sustainability: First Steps to First Class (book): https://www.routledge.com/Managing-Sustainability-First-Steps-to-First-Class/Friedman/p/book/9781032237702

The Net Zero Business Podcast with Gareth Kane https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/why-sustainability-will-survive-trump-welcoming-the/id1717606799?i=1000684337447

Doing Sustainability Podcast with Gary Baker and Rocket White: https://www.bakerbrand.com/podcast/esg-and-sustainability-as-the-new-normal-the-rise-of-a-new-era-in-business-purpose-with-john-friedman/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Keywords:

sustainability, ESG, climate change, renewable energy, corporate responsibility, business strategy, net positive, systemic thinking, carbon markets, environmental impact, climate action, generational change, economic sustainability, DEI, diversity equity inclusion, eco-anxiety, conscious capitalism, sustainable leadership, Galapagos tortoise, resilient ecosystems

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Go for Net Positive Part 1 with the Giant Tortoise (Episode 34)09 Apr 2025

In this episode of Resilience Gone Wild, host Jessica Morgenthal explores the incredible stories of giant tortoises and their ecological significance. She discusses the unique characteristics of these ancient creatures, their conservation success stories, and the concept of living a net positive life. The episode emphasizes the interconnectedness of all living beings and encourages listeners to take practical steps towards sustainability and conservation.

Inspired by the book Net Positive by Paul Polman and Andrew Winston, this episode invites you to rethink what it means to live a truly resilient life. While the Net Positive movement was designed for bold businesses, this conversation takes it a step further—asking what it means for each of us to give more than we take, in our energy, relationships, and legacy. We connect positive psychology, personal growth, and the surprising resilience of tortoises to show how we can all live in a way that’s regenerative and purpose-filled—just like nature intended.

Additional resources:

Jonathan the giant tortoise

Mommy tortoise has first babies at 99 – oldest first time mom of species

Tortoise Takeaways

  • Giant tortoises play a crucial role in their ecosystems.
  • Conservation efforts have successfully increased tortoise populations.
  • The giant tortoise serves as a model for regenerative living.
  • Giant tortoises are the longest living land animals that we know of.

Resilience Takeaways

  • Every action we take can have a net positive or negative impact. 
  • Being net positive means actively contributing to the well-being of others and the environment.
  • Small, positive actions can lead to significant ecological benefits.
  • Awareness of our impact is the first step towards change. 
  • You get to choose if you want to be net positive or net negative.
  • Engaging with conservation can create lasting connections to nature.
  • Living sustainably is essential for future generations.
  • We can all contribute to a healthier planet through simple actions.

Keywords

resilience, giant tortoises, conservation, net positive, ecological impact, Aldabra Atoll, Diego, Jonathan, sustainability, nature

Helping Giant Tortoises to Thrive

Galapagos

Deigo

Aldabra Tortoise

Cleveland Zoo

Adopt a Giant Galapagos Tortoise

Sound Bites

  • “We are all deeply connected.”
  • “The goal is to be less net negative and strive for net positive”
Up Close and Personal: Connecting Children with Nature – A Lifelong Journey with Ruth Wilson (Episode 33)02 Apr 2025

Summary

In this episode of Resilience Gone Wild, Jessica Morgenthal speaks with Ruth Wilson, a lifelong advocate for nature-based education and author of Nature and Young Children. Together, they explore how connecting children with nature supports mental health, physical well-being, cognitive development, and spiritual growth. The conversation dives into the concept of nature deficit disorder—a term coined by Richard Louv—and why unstructured time in nature is essential for kids. Ruth shares personal insights on the power of outdoor play, sensory experiences, and reciprocal relationships with the natural world, encouraging families and educators to cultivate awe, joy, and belonging through nature connection.

The episode also touches on how adults can rediscover their own relationship with the environment through practices like journaling, metaphor, and ecological autobiography. Whether you’re a parent, educator, or simply someone seeking more meaning in daily life, this episode offers both practical tools and heartfelt inspiration for building resilience through nature.

Takeaways

  • Ruth Wilson has spent her career helping children connect deeply with nature.

  • Nature deficit disorder is a real issue affecting children’s development and health.

  • Time outdoors boosts creativity, reduces anxiety, and improves social skills.

  • Sensory-rich nature experiences enhance learning and emotional regulation.

  • A sense of wonder is essential for resilience and well-being—especially in children.

  • Reciprocity in nature reminds us of the give-and-take relationship we have with the earth.

  • Repetition and rhythm in nature can teach life lessons and provide emotional comfort.

  • Ecological autobiographies and journaling can help adults reflect on their connection to nature.

  • Nature metaphors are powerful tools for resilience and self-understanding.

  • Fostering a sense of belonging in nature supports a more sustainable and empathetic world.

Sound Bites

“Nature makes kids healthier.”

“The stress reduction theory is proven.”

“Nature is our natural habitat.”

“Nature gives us a sense of belonging.”

“Nature doesn’t discriminate.”

“Nature takes care of us as well.”

“We need to keep that sense of wonder alive.”

“Go out and do it. Be true to yourself.”

Resources

Ruth Wilson on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ruth-wilson-b6a92120/

Children & Nature Network: https://www.childrenandnature.org/

Nature and Young Children: Encouraging Creative Play and Learning in Natural Environments https://www.routledge.com/Nature-and-Young-Children-Encouraging-Creative-Play-and-Learning-in-Natural-Environments/Wilson/p/book/9781138553347?srsltid=AfmBOorej9cj5_p-Gv9E7VT8R1ynnYLk8lWoV6MedfRPnsCfE-y7gflZ

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Indigo Part 2 – Transforming the Fashion Industry with Nicolas Prophte & The Denim Deal (Episode 32)26 Mar 2025

Summary:

In this episode of Resilience Gone Wild, Jessica Morgenthal sits down with Nicolas Prophte to explore the evolution of denim, the challenges of sustainability in fashion, and the critical role of mindset in transforming the industry. Nicolas shares his personal journey through the denim world, highlighting how consumer behavior, industry practices, and technological advancements are shaping the future of sustainable fashion. The conversation delves into the importance of building a reverse supply chain, the impact of fast fashion marketing, and the need for brands to commit to transparency and sustainable sourcing. With insights into recycled cotton, digital printing innovations, and the power of consumer demand, this episode calls for a collective effort to push the denim industry toward a more responsible future.

Takeaways:

  • Sustainability in fashion requires a shift in mindset and innovative practices
  • Denim production is a complex and community-driven process that must evolve
  • Natural indigo is being revived, but economic challenges remain
  • Digital printing presents new solutions for sustainable denim production
  • Fast fashion marketing heavily influences consumer behavior
  • The commoditization of jeans has made sustainability more difficult
  • NGOs play a crucial role in setting industry standards for sustainability
  • Recycled cotton is one of the best solutions for reducing waste in fashion
  • A reverse supply chain is necessary for integrating recycled materials into production
  • Education among designers and brands is essential for fostering demand for sustainable practices
  • Transparency and brand commitment are critical for scaling sustainability globally
  • Consumer demand must drive brand responsibility and better industry practices
  • The goal is to scale sustainable denim production to one billion pairs of jeans by 2030
  • Buying less and choosing quality over quantity can make a meaningful impact

Sound Bites:

  • “A pair of jeans became a commodity.”
  • “Can I challenge the system?”
  • “We need to create a movement.”
  • “We have to build this community.”
  • “The consumer has to be asking.”

Resources:

Nicolas Prophte LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicolas-prophte/

Denim Deal LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/denim-deal/

The Spin-Off Article on Nicolas Prophte & Denim Deal: https://www.the-spin-off.com/news/stories/The-People-Nicolas-Prophte-The-Denim-Deal-can-change-the-industry-globally-17677

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The Hidden Power of Indigo Part 1 – What’s Your Super Power? (Episode 31)19 Mar 2025

In this episode of Resilience Gone Wild, host Jessica Morgenthal uncovers the fascinating journey of indigo, a plant that has shaped cultures, economies, and industries for centuries. Beyond its vibrant blue hue, indigo is a symbol of resilience and transformation, thriving in poor soil conditions and revealing its full potential only through a complex dyeing process.

The conversation dives into indigo’s deep cultural and historical significance, from ancient dyeing traditions to its dark ties with colonialism and forced labor. Jessica also examines the impact of synthetic dyes on the environment and how reconnecting with natural dyeing practices can restore balance with nature. This episode challenges listeners to uncover their own hidden superpowers, just as indigo reveals its true color through transformation.

Takeaways
  • Indigo is more than a color—it has shaped economies and societies for centuries.
  • The transformation of indigo requires patience, skill, and the right conditions—a lesson in resilience.
  • Indigo plants thrive in poor soil, symbolizing strength in adversity.
  • The art of indigo dyeing has been passed down through generations and holds deep cultural significance.
  • Colonial exploitation and oppression are deeply tied to indigo’s history.
  • Synthetic dyes have replaced natural indigo, leading to severe environmental harm.
  • Our hidden strengths, much like indigo’s color, need the right conditions to emerge.
  • Everyone has a unique superpower that can benefit the world—it’s time to embrace it.
  • Supporting natural dyes and ethical fashion is a step toward sustainability and balance with nature.
  • Taking action in small ways can lead to big transformations—in both our lives and the planet.
Sound Bites
  • “This isn’t magic, it’s science.”
  • “Indigo is a nitrogen fixer.”
  • “Indigo has a dark history.”
  • “Your power is real, even when it’s unseen.”
  • “What hidden superpower are you holding back?”
  • “Indigo teaches us a fundamental lesson.”
  • “We help restore balance.”
  • “What hidden superpower will you uncover?”
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Up Close and Personal with Elena Kazamia, Hoverflies, and “The Most Unlikely Migration” (Episode 30)13 Mar 2025

Summary

In this fascinating episode of Resilience Gone Wild, host Jessica Morgenthal speaks with Elena Kazamia, a scientist, writer, and passionate advocate for blending science and storytelling. Elena shares her unique journey from studying algae to exploring the impact of insect migration, particularly focusing on the marmalade hoverfly, a tiny but powerful pollinator. She highlights the importance of insects in maintaining healthy ecosystems, the role of citizen science in conservation, and how engaging with nature can inspire both action and creativity.

Throughout the conversation, Elena delves into the resilience of nature, the interconnectedness of species, and the significance of art in making science more accessible. She also shares her aspirations to write a book about the hidden world of algae and the essential role these organisms play in our planet’s health.

Takeaways

  • Science and storytelling can bridge gaps and inspire action.
  • Insect migration is one of the most overlooked natural phenomena.
  • The marmalade hoverfly is an essential pollinator and plays a crucial role in ecosystem balance.
  • Citizen science empowers individuals to contribute to environmental conservation.
  • Algae are foundational to life, influencing ecosystems in profound ways.
  • Nature’s resilience offers hope in the face of environmental challenges.
  • Everyone’s data matters—citizen science projects help inform global conservation efforts.
  • Art and science are deeply connected and can drive positive environmental change.
  • Engaging with nature fosters a sense of responsibility and a deeper appreciation for biodiversity.
  • Elena is working on a book to bring attention to the fascinating world of algae.

Sound Bites

  • “I found thinking about algae something to be quite romantic.”
  • “Insect migration is the biggest animal migration on Earth.”
  • “Insects are very small, but they play an enormous role in ecosystems.”
  • “Every one of those pieces of data matters.”
  • “People care, they want to be part of the solution.”
  • “We are not living in a vacuum—everything is connected.”
  • “I want to fight for it. I want us all to fight for it.”

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Up Close and Personal with Mitch Rawlyk, Farmer & Earth Systems Scientist, mitch.earth (Episode 29)11 Mar 2025

In this episode of Resilience Gone Wild, host Jessica Morgenthal sits down with Mitch Rawlyk, a regenerative farmer and climate advocate, to discuss his personal journey from eco-anxiety to environmental action. Mitch shares how he transitioned from a career in meteorology to hands-on regenerative agriculture, focusing on food systems, water management, and sustainability.

This conversation unpacks the shift from sustainability to regeneration, highlighting how small, intentional actions can create major ecological impacts. Mitch emphasizes the power of getting involved, taking action, and working with nature rather than against it. Whether you’re just starting your sustainability journey or looking to make a bigger impact, this episode will leave you feeling empowered, inspired, and ready to get your hands dirty.

Takeaways

  • From Eco-Anxiety to Action: Mitch turned his environmental worries into tangible solutions through regenerative farming.
  • Food is a Climate Solution: Agriculture plays a critical role in addressing climate change.
  • Beyond Sustainability: Regenerative practices restore ecosystems instead of merely sustaining them.
  • Water is Everything: Proper water management is essential for healthy ecosystems and sustainable food production.
  • Start Small, Think Big: Even small changes in daily habits can contribute to a larger environmental impact.
  • Hands-On Learning: Taking action and working directly with the land builds knowledge, resilience, and empowerment.
  • Community Drives Change: Regenerative efforts thrive when communities work together.
  • Failure Leads to Growth: Every mistake is a learning opportunity in the path toward sustainability.
  • Nature is the Best Teacher: Spending time in nature is essential for mental health and ecological awareness.
  • Empowerment Through Action: The best way to combat eco-anxiety is to do something—no matter how small.

Sound Bites

  • “Just start. That’s it.”
  • “It’s supposed to be fun.”
  • “Get your hands dirty.”
  • “Regenerative farming is about healing the land and ourselves.”
  • “Water is the foundation of life—if we don’t manage it, we lose everything.”
  • “Community involvement is key to making real environmental change.”

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Unlocking Hidden Strength – Flipping the Iceberg and Resilience (Episode 28)06 Mar 2025

In this episode of Resilience Gone Wild, host Jessica Morgenthal dives into the powerful iceberg metaphor to explore the hidden depths of our resilience. Just like an iceberg, much of our strength, emotions, and experiences remain unseen, yet they shape who we are.

Jessica discusses how understanding the hidden aspects of our subconscious mind can help us navigate challenges, uncover inner strength, and develop a deeper sense of self-awareness. She also connects this idea to the environmental threats facing glaciers, emphasizing how personal and planetary resilience go hand in hand.

By recognizing what lies beneath the surface—both in ourselves and in the natural world—we can become more adaptable, mentally tough, and prepared to face life’s uncertainties. This episode is a must-listen for anyone searching for ways to build resilience, embrace change, and uncover their true potential.

Takeaways

  • The iceberg is a powerful metaphor for resilience. Our true strength lies beneath the surface, shaped by unseen experiences.
  • Hidden strengths emerge in times of change. Difficult moments reveal what we are truly capable of.
  • The subconscious mind influences resilience. Understanding our inner thoughts can improve emotional strength.
  • Personal growth comes from self-awareness. Acknowledging what lies beneath can help us navigate challenges.
  • Resilience is shaped by past experiences. We carry wisdom from every hardship we’ve faced.
  • Protecting glaciers mirrors protecting ourselves. Just as icebergs are at risk, our personal resilience requires care and attention.
  • Environmental awareness and personal resilience are interconnected. Climate change affects us all, and taking action benefits both individuals and the planet.
  • Recognizing inner strength leads to empowerment. Self-discovery enhances confidence and mental toughness.
  • Creating safe spaces for others fosters collective resilience. Encouraging openness builds stronger communities.

Sound Bites

  • “Just like an iceberg, so much of who we are is unseen but deeply powerful.”
  • “Moments of change reveal hidden strengths we never knew we had.”
  • “Your subconscious mind plays a bigger role in resilience than you realize.”
  • “When we recognize our hidden depths, we become unstoppable.”
  • “Protecting glaciers is about more than just the planet—it’s about our future resilience.”

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Getting into FLOE with Polar Bears (Episode 27)28 Feb 2025

In this episode of Resilience Gone Wild, host Jessica Morgenthal explores the resilient nature of polar bears and how they can teach us to navigate change, conserve energy, and embrace the unknown. Just as polar bears thrive in the Arctic by adapting to shifting conditions, we too can develop resilience by trusting the process, focusing our energy on what truly matters, and relying on our communities for support.

Jessica examines how polar bears master adaptability, knowing when to move forward and when to pause. The discussion reframes “going with the flow” as an intentional, strategic process rather than a passive response. By adopting a FLOE mindset (Flexibility, Letting go, Observation, Energy conservation), we can learn to navigate life’s uncertainties with greater confidence and ease.

This episode also highlights the urgent threats facing polar bears, including melting sea ice and habitat destruction, and calls on listeners to take action in protecting these incredible animals and their fragile ecosystem.

Takeaways:
  • Polar bears thrive by adapting rather than resisting change.
  • Going with the flow is an intentional, strategic process.
  • Resilience means knowing when to act and when to conserve energy.
  • Trusting the process can open doors to unexpected opportunities.
  • Mindfulness helps us navigate transitions with greater ease.
  • Climate change is rapidly impacting polar bear habitats.
  • Community support strengthens individual resilience.
  • We can take action to protect polar bears and their environment.
  • Resilience is not just an individual journey—it is a collective effort.
Sound Bites:
  • “Polar bears don’t fight the tide—they move with it.”
  • “Trusting the flow doesn’t mean letting go of control—it means knowing where to focus your energy.”
  • “Survival isn’t about resisting change. It’s about learning how to move with it.”
  • “Resilience is not just about endurance. It’s about adaptation.”
  • “If we don’t act now, the Arctic—and the polar bears—may never be the same.”
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Hunkering Down in Times of Stress Part 2 with Daniel J. Cox – Photographer Specializing in Conservation (Episode 26)20 Feb 2025

In this breathtaking episode of Resilience Gone Wild, host Jessica Morgenthal sits down with renowned nature photographer Daniel J. Cox, who takes us deep into the icy wilderness of the Arctic. From Norway’s rugged landscapes to the delicate balance of sea ice ecosystems, Daniel J. Cox shares firsthand experiences with polar bears, the hidden world beneath the ice, and the intelligence of wildlife.



Through vivid storytelling and expert insight, Daniel J. Cox highlights the critical role of local and indigenous knowledge in conservation, the impact of human activity on wildlife, and the challenges of ethical wildlife photography. The conversation explores the resilience of Arctic species, comparing the adaptations of polar bears to the toughness of tardigrades and reinforcing the importance of coexisting with nature responsibly. This episode is a call to action to protect public lands, advocate for conservation, and find deeper connections with the natural world.

Takeaways:

  • Photography is a powerful tool for conservation, bringing awareness to fragile ecosystems.
  • Polar bears rely on sea ice for hunting, and their survival is tied to climate patterns.
  • Indigenous knowledge is invaluable for understanding and protecting wildlife.
  • Resilience in nature can be seen in species like tardigrades and polar bears.
  • Humans must learn to coexist with wildlife rather than exploit or interfere.
  • Wildlife photography should prioritize the well-being of animals over getting the shot.
  • Sea ice is crucial for the Arctic food chain, from plankton to cod to seals and beyond.
  • Habitat preservation is key—if we protect ecosystems, species can recover.
  • Every action matters in conservation, from advocacy to sustainable choices.
  • Nature teaches us essential lessons about survival, adaptation, and coexistence.

Sound Bites:

“We need to respect the guardians of the ecosystem.”

“Polar bears are a key species—we will notice if they’re gone.”

“If the habitat is there, the animals will repopulate.”

“It’s not about me, it’s about nature.”

“Underneath that ice are the cod that feed on the plankton.”

“The story is really good by itself—you don’t need to be in it.”

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Hunkering Down in Times of Stress Part 1 with Tardigrades (Episode 25)18 Feb 2025

In this episode of Resilience Gone Wild, host Jessica Morgenthal dives into the incredible world of tardigrades, also known as water bears or moss piglets—tiny creatures that redefine resilience. These microscopic marvels can survive in some of the most extreme environments, from the vacuum of space to boiling temperatures and deep-sea pressures. They can hibernate for up to 30 years, bouncing back to life when conditions improve.

Jessica breaks down what makes tardigrades the ultimate survivors, uncovering their unique proteins that protect their DNA, their use of trehalose to prevent cellular damage, and what we can learn from their ability to adapt and endure. She also explores the three P’s of resilience—pervasive, permanent, and personal, helping us reframe challenges and develop a stronger, more optimistic mindset. Finally, the episode highlights the importance of conservation efforts and continued scientific research on extremophiles like tardigrades, which could hold the key to breakthroughs in medicine, space travel, and climate adaptation.

Takeaways:

  • Tardigrades are Earth’s toughest creatures, able to survive in the most extreme environments.
  • They hibernate for up to 30 years, reanimating when conditions are right.
  • Unique proteins and trehalose production protect their cells from damage.
  • The Three P’s of Resilience (Pervasive, Permanent, Personal) can help us reframe setbacks and build a stronger, more adaptive mindset.
  • Nature teaches us resilience—by studying extremophiles like tardigrades, we can learn valuable survival strategies for our own lives.
  • Protecting natural habitats and funding scientific research are key to uncovering future discoveries in biology, medicine, and space exploration.

Sound Bites:

  • “Tardigrades don’t just survive—they thrive in the impossible.”
  • “Imagine hibernating for 30 years and waking up like nothing happened.”
  • “Resilience isn’t just about bouncing back—it’s about adapting, growing, and thriving.”
  • “The Three P’s of Resilience can help reframe any challenge—how we see a problem changes how we overcome it.”
  • “Science is just beginning to unlock the secrets of tardigrades, and the potential is mind-blowing!”

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Up Close and Personal with Andrew Lewin Host of “How to Protect the Ocean” (Episode 24)13 Feb 2025

In this episode of Resilience Gone Wild, host Jessica Morgenthal sits down with Andrew Lewin, marine biologist and host of the podcast How to Protect Our Ocean. Andrew shares his journey from working in marine science to becoming a leading voice in science communication, making complex ocean conservation topics accessible and engaging for the public.

The conversation explores the evolution of science storytelling, the impact of the BP oil spill, and how technology has revolutionized environmental awareness. Andrew emphasizes the power of community-driven conservation efforts and encourages listeners to take small, actionable steps to protect our oceans. Through engaging stories and practical advice, this episode will leave you feeling empowered to make a difference, no matter how small.

Takeaways:

  • Storytelling is key—science communication is most effective when it resonates emotionally.
  • The BP oil spill was a turning point in public awareness of ocean conservation.
  • Social media and podcasting have transformed how scientists connect with the public.
  • Collaboration and community play a crucial role in driving conservation efforts.
  • Technology has democratized knowledge, making ocean science accessible to all.
  • Small actions lead to big changes—everyone can contribute to protecting the planet.
  • Staying hopeful and engaged is essential for making lasting environmental impact.
  • Spending time in nature fosters a deeper understanding and appreciation for conservation.
  • Every episode of a podcast can inspire someone differently, creating ripple effects in awareness and action.

Sound Bites:

  • “Science communication isn’t just about data—it’s about connection.”
  • “The BP oil spill changed everything—it was a wake-up call for ocean conservation.”
  • “Social media and podcasts have made science more accessible than ever.”
  • “A strong community is the backbone of any successful conservation movement.”
  • “You don’t have to do everything—just do something.”

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Up Close and Personal with Ellie Meredith and the Re-Action-Collective (Episode 23)11 Feb 2025

In this inspiring episode of Resilience Gone Wild, Ellie Meredith shares her journey as a passionate young activist tackling eco-anxiety and climate change through action, advocacy, and storytelling. Ellie discusses her personal relationship with nature, the power of collective action, and her documentary Actionism, which highlights how communities can come together to drive environmental change.

The conversation also delves into the mental health benefits of nature, the challenges the outdoor industry faces in making natural spaces more inclusive, and the importance of safe spaces for climate conversations. Ellie reminds us that while the climate crisis can feel overwhelming, joy, resilience, and meaningful action can be found in community and connection with the natural world.

Takeaways:

Ellie Meredith is a young activist focused on echo anxiety and climate change.

Nature connection is vital for mental health and understanding our place in the ecosystem.

Collective action is essential in addressing climate issues and fostering community.

The film ‘Actionism’ emphasizes the importance of finding your community and taking action together.

Citizen Friday encourages people to engage with nature, repair items, and share skills instead of consuming more.

The outdoor industry faces challenges in engaging diverse communities and addressing ecoanxiety.

Creating safe spaces in nature is crucial for everyone, especially marginalized groups.

Nature can be a powerful remedy for mental health issues, often more effective than medication.

Small actions in our own corners of the world can lead to significant change.

Joy and connection are fundamental to resilience and taking action against climate change.

Sound Bites:

“The joy of connection as remedy.”

“We need to start seeing ourselves as part of nature.”

“Nature isn’t something to save, but something to feel.”

“We need to figure that out together.”

“Ecoanxiety has been a massive teacher.”

“Nature is the ultimate dopamine hit.”

“Take action in whatever way suits you.”

“Just starting your own corner of the world matters.”

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Home

https://www.linkedin.com/in/ellie-meredith05/

https://filmfreeway.com/Actionism

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Purpose Part 2 – Flourishing Through Resilience with Emiliya Zhivotovskaya (Episode 22)06 Feb 2025

In this powerful follow-up to our Purposeful Parrotfish episode, we continue exploring the profound impact of purpose—this time with Emiliya Zhivotovskaya, MAPP, CEO of The Flourishing Center and a leader in positive psychology. Emiliya shares her deeply personal journey, shaped by resilience, joy, and loss, and how she has dedicated her life to helping individuals and organizations flourish.

From her childhood inspiration to “heal the world” to founding a center that empowers others with science-backed well-being strategies, Emiliya’s story is one of perseverance, reframing, and finding meaning even in difficult times. She dives into how we can all rewrite our personal narratives, integrate mind-body well-being, and cultivate resilience through storytelling, mindfulness, and education.

Key Takeaways

  1. Purpose is a journey, not a destination—it evolves through life’s challenges and passions.
  2. Resilience isn’t about avoiding hardship, but about navigating difficulties while still experiencing joy.
  3. Positive psychology provides powerful tools for personal and professional growth.
  4. You can choose the story you tell yourself—shifting your perspective can lead to greater forgiveness, self-acceptance, and empowerment.
  5. Your body holds wisdom—listening to it and practicing mindfulness enhances overall well-being.
  6. Teaching resilience early matters—positive education programs help children and educators build lifelong emotional strength.

Memorable Moments

  1. “If I’m not here to leave the world somewhat better when I leave than when I came in, then what am I doing here?”
  2. “I used that idea of reframing that I came to later learn as a key tool for resilience.”
  3. “I had this blessing of becoming a professional kids party entertainer. I got to get paid a lot of really good money to have fun.”
  4. “How fascinating.”
  5. “Did he turn into the love of your life too? He’s just so easy to love. He’s incredible.”

Resources:

David Foster Wallace “This is Water” https://youtu.be/DCbGM4mqEVw?si=86vTeNaEJd1hr_7l

The Flourishing Center: https://theflourishingcenter.com/start-here/

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Purpose Part 1 with the Purposeful Parrotfish (Episode 21)04 Feb 2025

In this inspiring episode of Resilience Gone Wild, host Jessica Morgenthal dives deep into the power of purpose—drawing wisdom from one of nature’s most fascinating creatures, the parrotfish. Just as the parrotfish plays a vital role in maintaining coral reef ecosystems, our personal sense of purpose can fuel resilience, drive meaningful action, and leave a lasting impact on the world.

Through engaging storytelling and thought-provoking insights, Jessica encourages listeners to reflect on their own purpose—offering practical steps to align daily life with deeper meaning while also exploring the parrotfish’s extraordinary ecological contributions to ocean health.

Takeaways:

Purpose gives us energy—waking up each morning with intention can fuel resilience.

Parrotfish are nature’s architects—they help maintain reef health and even create sandy beaches!

Living with purpose transforms the ordinary—everyday actions can have ripple effects beyond what we see.

Uncovering your purpose is a journey—reflecting on your most fulfilling moments can guide your path.

Protecting marine life is protecting ourselves—advocating for sustainability strengthens ecosystems and our communities.

Small actions matter—choosing sustainable habits contributes to the resilience of our planet.

Laughter and Resilience Part 2 with Mat Zucker the Host of “Cidiot” (Episode 20)28 Jan 2025

In this episode of Resilience Gone Wild, Jessica Morgenthal welcomes Mat Zucker, host of the award-winning podcast Cidiot, to share his journey of transitioning from urban living in Manhattan to embracing life in the countryside. Through humor, candid reflections, and relatable anecdotes, Mat illustrates how laughter is an essential tool for resilience, especially when navigating life’s major transitions.

The conversation dives into the quirks of rural living, from animal antics to community dynamics, and highlights the lessons in adaptability, connection, and humor. Mat’s insights shed light on the challenges and joys of bridging the gap between urban and rural lifestyles while staying grounded in curiosity and a positive mindset.

Takeaways

  • Laughter is Resilience: Humor helps us cope with the inevitable bumps in the road during big life changes.
  • Adjust Expectations: Moving to the country requires shifting perspectives and embracing slower, simpler living.
  • Animal Wisdom: Even goats have personalities—rural life reveals the surprising intelligence and playfulness of animals.
  • Community Connections Matter: Engaging with neighbors and sharing local traditions fosters belonging and resilience.
  • Nature Teaches Patience: Understanding ecosystems and living by the seasons deepen our connection to the environment.
  • Curiosity Opens Doors: Local stories and customs enrich the transition from city to country.
  • Food as a Bond: Sharing locally sourced meals, like pie, can build relationships and strengthen communities.
  • Perspective is Key: Bridging urban and rural cultures requires empathy, humor, and an open mind.

Sound Bites

  • “Laughter is the glue that holds us together during change.”
  • “Curiosity and humor make transitions more enjoyable—and survivable.”
  • “Goats are smarter than you think, and they’ll make you laugh more than you expect.”
  • “Pie isn’t just food—it’s a connection.”

Special Mention

Mat Zucker’s podcast Cidiot is a must-listen for anyone curious about making the leap from city to rural life. Through storytelling and humor, Mat shares the lessons, laughs, and surprises of life in the country.

Listen to Cidiot: https://www.cidiot.com

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Up Close and Personal with Lizzie LaRock and Manifestation (Episode 19)23 Jan 2025

Episode Summary

In this episode of Resilience Gone Wild, host Jessica Morgenthal sits down with Lizzie LaRock, the creative force behind The Life Feast program. Together, they dive into the transformative intersection of positive psychology, nature, and creative photography, exploring how these elements can deepen our connection with ourselves and the world around us.

Lizzie shares her personal journey of blending mindfulness with photography, and how this practice has helped her and her community savor life’s most profound moments. From incredible animal encounters to moments of synchronicity, Lizzie reveals the magic that happens when we align with our true desires and stay present in the now.

Takeaways:

Photography is more than an art—it’s a tool for mindfulness and deeper connection.

Manifestation works best when driven by pure heart desires rather than ego-driven wants.

Encounters with animals in nature can provide profound lessons in resilience and connection.

Savoring life’s small moments is essential for cultivating happiness and fulfillment.

Synchronicities are the universe’s way of guiding us—if we’re paying attention.

Being present enhances the richness of every experience.

Positive storytelling can transform mental well-being and mindset.

Balance documentation with fully experiencing the moment.

Every life story holds the potential to inspire transformation if we embrace it.

Sound Bites:

“Photography is a gateway to mindfulness and connection.”

“When our desires align with the heart, the universe responds.”

“Nature teaches resilience through its beauty and unpredictability.”

“Savoring small moments leads to big transformations.”

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Laughter and Resilience Part 1, A City Mouse’s Country Adventure (Episode 18)21 Jan 2025

In this episode of Resilience Gone Wild, we dive into the whimsical journey of a curious city mouse who trades urban comforts for the unpredictable charm of the countryside. Through comical encounters with wildlife, the mouse discovers powerful lessons about resilience, adaptability, and the transformative power of laughter. Each animal interaction offers insights into turning fear into curiosity and embracing life’s unexpected twists with humor.

By the end of this episode, you’ll walk away with actionable tips to build your own resilience toolkit, inspired by the lessons of humor, connection, and nature’s wisdom.

Takeaways

Humor is a powerful catalyst for building resilience and emotional strength.

Navigating new environments is challenging but fosters personal growth.

Nature’s balance offers profound lessons about adaptability and cooperation.

Laughter reduces stress, enhances mental flexibility, and shifts perspectives.

Resilience thrives when we embrace challenges with curiosity and humor.

Shared moments of humor strengthen connections with others.

Simple actions can bolster both personal and environmental resilience.

Sound Bites

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