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Zana Goic Petricevic and host Katie Churchman build on a previous conversation about leading on the edge, In considering how we can expand this principle into our lives, they:

• explore ways to embrace change in our lives to create more fulfilling, authentic, and connected experiences.
• share examples from their own lives where embracing change has been transformative
• discuss how they stay motivated in the face of the uncertainty that accompanies significant change. 

Listen to Zana's previous episode, Part 1 of this conversation:

• Leading on the Edge

Zana Goic Petricevic is a visionary leadership coach, author, and consultant with nearly two decades of experience empowering individuals and teams to lead with boldness and integrity. With her impressive background in corporate communications and a unique approach that combines strategic insight with deep, vulnerable conversations, Zana inspires C-suite executives and mission-driven organizations across the globe to disrupt the status quo and unlock their highest potential. She's the mastermind behind the SOUL Framework and the author of insightful books like “Bold Reinvented” and “Leading on the Edge.” 

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of faculty and partners, we connect, inspire and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time.

CRR Global is the Institute for Systems Inspired Coaching and Leadership.

Season 7 Episode 10: Leading on the Edge with Zana Goic Petricevic. 

In this episode, Katie Churchman speaks with Zana Goic Petricevic about the transformative power of leading from the edge. The only constant in life is change. In this empowering discussion, Zana and Katie explore how to view change as an ally and how to consciously and intentionally move forward in the face of change. This conversation will provide leaders with a roadmap for embracing change thoughtfully and purposefully, encouraging them to adopt bold, game-changing ideas that can create extraordinary impact.

Zana Goic Petricevic is a visionary leadership coach, author, and consultant with nearly two decades of experience empowering individuals and teams to lead with boldness and integrity. With her impressive background in corporate communications and a unique approach that combines strategic insight with deep, vulnerable conversations, Zana inspires C-suite executives and mission-driven organizations across the globe to disrupt the status quo and unlock their highest potential. She's the mastermind behind the SOUL Framework and the author of insightful books like “Bold Reinvented” and “Leading on the Edge.” 

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of faculty and partners, we connect, inspire and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time.

CRR Global is the Institute for Systems Inspired Coaching and Leadership.

Season 7 Episode 9: Worldwork Reimagined with Michelle Davis

Throughout this powerful conversation, Michelle Davis, CRR Global's Director of Strategic Worldwork and podcast host Katie Churchman reimagine what worldwork could look like if it were embodied and lived. As opposed to being something we do, how can worldwork be an expression of how we relate to  people, projects and the world around us? 

Worldwork (originally conceptualized by Dr. Arnold Mindell and Dr. Amy Mindell) is a systemic approach and awareness stance for engaging with human relationship systems. It brings attention to both the individual and the collective, helping people work with the dynamics of conflict, identity, culture, emotion and power. Worldwork draws from psychology, ecology and social theory to understand how personal experience and larger social forces shape the way groups, partnerships, communities and organizations evolve. It also helps us to notice how a system expresses itself through roles, signals, patterns and emotional fields.

Worldwork Reimagined recognizes that each of us continually influences the systems we inhabit, whether we are aware of it or not. Although this influence can lead to significant acts of service or community engagement, worldwork always begins with the self. Personal awareness, responsibility and intentional choice form the foundation of meaningful systemic impact. 

Michelle Davis is a leadership coach, systems thinker, and champion for connection across differences. As Director of Strategic Worldwork and a faculty member at CRR Global, Michelle empowers leaders and teams to bridge divides, transform conflict and co-create a more just future. With a background in counseling and deep expertise in relationship systems coaching, she helps groups surface hidden barriers and build authentic, purpose-driven collaboration. Guided by values of justice, integrity and love, Michelle is here to help us reimagine what’s possible—together.

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of faculty and partners, we connect, inspire and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time.

CRR Global is the Institute for Systems Inspired Coaching and Leadership.

Season 7 Episode 8: Finding Right in Relationship with Sandra Cain. 

In this episode, Katie welcomes CRR Global faculty member, Sandra Cain to the show to talk about finding ‘right’ in a relationship. This is a playful and exploratory conversation in which Sandra and Katie share some of their own, not-so-flattering examples of times when they were so focused on being right that they lost sight of the relationship. 

Links to Sandra's previous appearances on the podcast:

• Crossing Edges and Returning to the Office
• Parenting with a Systems Coaching Lens

Sandra Cain partners with individuals, partnerships and teams to increase their awareness of their strengths and challenges, boosting effectiveness while also bringing lightness and humor. She incorporates a systems theory approach that reveals potential and resolves conflict. In addition to coaching teams, partnerships and individuals, Sandra’s strengths include team building, leadership development, change management and quoting lines from Monty Python movies. When not working, you’ll find Sandra breaking up a fight between her two cats, hiking or zooming on a river in a vintage speedboat.

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of faculty and partners, we connect, inspire and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time.

CRR Global is the Institute for Systems Inspired Coaching and Leadership.

Season 7 Episode 7: Grief as a Portal to the Dream with Marita Fridjhon. 

Grief is everywhere right now. Across the globe, people are mourning what has been lost—lives, livelihoods, ecosystems, certainties and futures they once imagined would be possible. Some losses are sudden and visible. Others are slow, ambiguous and harder to name. What makes this moment particularly challenging is that much of the grief we are carrying has no clear ritual, no shared language and no agreed-upon timeline. We are grieving while still expected to perform, adapt, and move forward.

In systems, unacknowledged grief does not disappear. It goes underground. And from there, it shapes behavior, culture and decision-making. To work with the dreaming nature of systems, we must learn to meet grief not as an obstacle, but as a portal. 

Marita Fridjhon is the co-founder of CRR Global and co-creator of Organization and Relationship Systems Coaching (ORSC™), the first systems coaching methodology accredited by the International Coaching Federation. A veteran coach and respected thought leader, Marita has spent more than three decades developing approaches that strengthen systemic intelligence in individuals, teams and organizations. She serves as a mentor and inspiration to a growing global community of practitioners in relationship systems work. 

Marita’s current work focuses on Systems Inspired Evolution, an approach centered on meeting, revealing, aligning and attending to the unseen dynamics that shape collective behavior. She is the co-author of the books Systems Inspired Leadership and Creating Intelligent Teams and the co-creator of the Systems Inspired Supervision model together with Sunčica Getter.

Read Marita's article:
https://systemsinspiredevolution.substack.com/p/grief-as-portal-to-the-dream

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of faculty and partners, we connect, inspire and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time.

CRR Global is the Institute for Systems Inspired Coaching and Leadership.

Season 7 Episode 6: Imagination in Relationship with Nairy McMahon. 

Nairy McMahon, Head of CRR UK, and Katie speak about the importance of imagination in relationships. When we outsource our imagination to other people, technologies, and systems, do we give away our power and our ability to dream beyond our current paradigm? In this playful and explorative discussion, Nairy and Katie look at imagination in relationships using the Three Levels of Reality model, covering how consensus relationships, dreaming, and essence impact our ability to imagine, and discuss ways to bring imagination back into our relationships and our lives. 

Nairy McMahon is the head of CRR UK, a CRR Global faculty member, and a certified coach who specializes in supporting boards, C-suites, and executive teams through complex transitions. She partners with leaders navigating mergers, restructuring, funding challenges, and ambitious strategies, helping them stay in relationship through the tensions of transformation. She partners with leaders navigating mergers, restructuring, funding challenges, and ambitious strategies, helping them maintain strong relationships even through the tensions of transformation. Nairy’s work is all about expanding leadership capacity to meet today’s challenges and step courageously into the unknown. She’s passionate about weaving strategy and culture together, supporting organizations in creating purposeful, life-giving futures. Nairy brings a relational lens to every engagement, turning expertise into impact and helping vision take root in strong cultures.

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of faculty and partners, we connect, inspire and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time.

CRR Global is the Institute for Systems-Inspired Coaching and Leadership.

Connection Empowers with Duncan Müller. 

In this Connection Empowers Us episode, Katie Churchman talks with CRR Global faculty member Duncan Müller about how we can use connection to deepen our relationships. Throughout the conversation, Duncan and Katie explore how connecting with ourselves helps us connect more deeply with others. The more we hold within ourselves, the more we can hold for others, too. So how can we continue to deepen our connection, including noticing when we are disconnected from ourselves too? 

Duncan Müller is a systems-inspired coach on a mission to help teams and leaders work smarter, lead with courage, and stay true to themselves. With over 20 years of corporate experience and a toolkit of top coaching credentials, Duncan empowers global teams to connect, challenge, and create real change. Known for blending empathy and courage, he inspires leaders to be authentic, speak up, and build workplaces where curiosity, freedom, and respect fuel transformation.

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of faculty and partners, we connect, inspire and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time.

CRR Global is the Institute for Systems Inspired Coaching and Leadership.

Walking the Talk of Relationships First at Work with Keiko Muramatsu and Eijiro Izumi. 

In this episode, Katie speaks with CRR Global faculty members Keiko Muramatsu and  Eijiro Izumi about how the team at CRR Global Japan practices what they preach in their approach to business. This fascinating conversation offers insight into the value of a relationship-first approach to work. Taking time to focus on relationships can feel like a risk in our task-oriented lives, yet as this exploration shows, relationships can be the gift that keeps on giving. 

This was a gorgeous example of Worldwork and the power of Relationship Systems Intelligence (RSI™) in action. Get ready to be inspired by the fabulous duo who represent the CRR Japan system in this conversation.  

Keiko Muramatsu is a dynamic leadership coach who bridges East and West to help leaders and teams unlock their full potential. With deep expertise in systems coaching, a global perspective, and a background as a national athlete, Keiko empowers people to lead with courage, connection and creativity. She’s passionate about real harmony, bold conversations and inspiring transformation—especially for Asian leaders on the world stage. Keiko’s playful spirit and powerful presence helps organizations thrive together, all in service of helping people and systems flourish. This is Keiko’s second appearance on the podcast; she previously appeared in 2021, discussing how she uses ORSC tools in sports coaching.  

Eijiro Izumi is an accomplished leadership coach and organizational consultant with global experience in HR and talent development. With degrees from Kyoto University and the University of Wisconsin, Eijiro has led HR initiatives across the Americas, driven transformation in major corporations, and now empowers teams at a leading automaker. He’s passionate about building workplaces where people find purpose, drive, and inspiration.

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of faculty and partners, we connect, inspire and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time.

CRR Global is the Institute for Systems Inspired Coaching and Leadership.

Season 7 Episode 3: Why Relationship Matters with Mike Holton. 

In this conversation, Katie Churchman talks with CRR Global CEO Mike Holton about why relationship matters. Together, they consider how the relationships in our lives — at work, home and in our communities — are a major force for personal and societal growth. Throughout the conversation, Mike and Katie delve into the two-way street of relationships, exploring ways we can find our locus of control through this lens. 

Mike Holton is CEO of CRR Global and a systems-inspired coach and facilitator who bridges individual transformation and collective impact. With a unique approach that combines Organizational and Relationship Systems Coaching (ORSC™), somatic awareness, and trauma-informed practices, he empowers leaders and teams to tap into the wisdom within their systems. Michael’s work is all about fostering authentic connection and resilience through courageous dialogue. Get ready for an enlightening conversation that will inspire and illuminate the journey to transformation!

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of faculty and partners, we connect, inspire and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time.

CRR Global is the Institute for Systems Inspired Coaching and Leadership.

Season 7 Episode 2: Staying Grounded in a Time of Tension with Martin Klaver. 

Right now, our world is filled with divisive, conflicting and fear-driven narratives. How do we engage with these systems, whilst also not losing ourselves? In this episode Katie Churchman speaks with Martin Klaver about staying grounded through turbulent times, in a conversation exploring ways to help ourselves and the systems we work with find centre. 

Martin Klaver is a systems-inspired coach and facilitator with a passion for group dynamics. He helps teams and organizations unlock their potential by reconnecting with their purpose. As a faculty member at CRR Global, Martin specializes in team coaching, leadership development and acting as a sparring partner. His knowledgeable and slightly rebellious approach fosters strong relationships, which he believes are essential for creating successful teams.

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of faculty and partners, we connect, inspire and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time.

CRR Global is the Institute for Systems-Inspired Coaching and Leadership.

Season 7 Episode 1: I Just Can't See The Bigger Picture with Sunčica Getter. 

To kick start Season 7 of the Relationship Matters Podcast, we are delighted to welcome back systems coach and host, Katie Churchman and Sunčica Getter, co-creator of CRR Global’s Systems Inspired™ Supervision Training Program. In this mind-opening conversation, Katie and Suncica explore what it means to accept that we just can’t see the bigger picture yet and probably never will. This is a refreshing and freeing conversation, and essential listening for coaches, leaders and coach supervisors. 

Perhaps simply accepting that there is always a ‘bigger picture’ from the lens we’re looking through is enough to take us to a systemic-level balcony—a space where we open ourselves to new ways of seeing and experiencing the world. 

Sunčica Getter is a systemic coach, consultant and educator focused on personal and community transformation. With a rich background in coaching, mindfulness, and psychodynamic approaches, Sunčica collaborates with leaders and organizations worldwide — helping them expand awareness and create resilient systems. She co-created the Systems Inspired Coaching Supervision model and holds a master’s degree in consulting and organizational leadership. Beyond her professional work, Sunčica translates poetry and enjoys pottery and nature walks.

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of faculty and partners, we connect, inspire and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time.

CRR Global is the Institute for Systems Inspired Coaching and Leadership.

S6. Bonus Episode: The Journey to Becoming a Coach Supervisor. 

In this bonus episode on Systems Inspired™ coaching supervision, Katie speaks with coach, facilitator and certified coaching supervisor, Katy Stone about her journey.

Key takeaways from this episode:

• Coaching supervision is a space for coaches to refresh and renew themselves, a reflective practice and developmental environment where coaches can explore who they want to become as coaches. Great supervision offers a playground for this exploration. 
• The body is a resource to guide our supervisory approach. We recognize that, as supervisors, we are tools for others' learning and growth. 
• Supervision offers ways to unlock the power of the ‘inner supervisor’ within ourselves. 
• Coaching supervision is a process rather than a product. We can embrace and learn from the inherently intelligent, generative and creative supervisory relationship.  

Katy Stone, MA, LPC, PCC, ESIA is a systems-inspired coach, facilitator, and certified coaching supervisor, She supports individuals, leaders and their teams, couples and parents, and coaches to engage more fully with their own wisdom, navigate relational complexity, and co-create transformative change. Katy partners with clients seeking greater alignment, emotional fluency, and systemic awareness. Her approach invites clients to engage the emotional, somatic, and energetic intelligence within their systems in service of authentic and life-giving action. 

Katy holds credentials as an Organization and Relationship Systems Certified Coach (ORSCC), a Licensed Professional Counselor (LPC), Professional Certified Coach (PCC), and a certified coaching supervisor. She has served as faculty for the ORSC core curriculum and teaches in academic and professional settings, including Naropa University and the University of Colorado. Her work is guided by values of curiosity, compassion, embodiment, and courageous dialogue. 

Katy believes that transformation emerges when systems slow down enough to listen deeply to themselves and act from what is most alive and true. Her invitation is for individuals and collectives to align with purpose, presence, and possibility.

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of faculty and partners, we connect, inspire and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time.

CRR Global is the Institute for Systems Inspired Coaching and Leadership.

Season 6 Bonus Episode 

Holding Space in Coaching Supervision.

In this bonus episode, Katie speaks with Director of Continuous Development Sunčica Getter about Systems Inspired™ supervision, why this resource is so important for professional coaches, and developing your inner supervisor.  

Key takeaways from this episode:

• Supervision allows us to access new levels of awareness and hold them with a sense of intrigue and compassion. It is a powerful space that creates connection and reflection.
• Supervision is a slower, holding space that allows us to pause and recognize themes and patterns at individual and collective levels.
• We are instruments in our own work, so we must take care of ourselves. In this space, we can rest, restore and bring to the surface patterns that may not be visible to us.
• When we develop an inner supervisor, we can bring that greater awareness into many areas of our lives, helping shift patterns within ourselves and the systems in which we live and work.
• Patience and pause are essential parts of supervision. Supervision is a process focused on patterns, rather than a product geared toward action. In this space, we can zoom out and connect to the bigger picture in our individual and collective systems. 

To listen to Sunčica’s previous episode on Systems Coaching and Mindfulness, click here. 

Sunčica Getter, ORSCC, MA, PCC, is a systemic coach, consultant and educator. With over 20 years of experience, her focus is on transformational leadership development and systemic culture change. Sunčica is a faculty member of CRR Global and a UK Faculty Lead and Senior Consultant for Performance Consultants International. Her work in coaching education has seen her train, mentor, and supervise coaches and design and deliver academic, public, and in-house coaching training and accreditation courses. Her experiences collaborating with world-class coaching institutions and a variety of clients have made Sunčica a trusted systemic coaching consultant. She advises companies and institutions on the implementation of systemic coaching and systemic thinking for both organisational and community development.

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of faculty and partners, we connect, inspire and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time.

CRR Global is the Institute for Systems Inspired Coaching and Leadership.

Season 6 Bonus Episode 
The Observer Effect: How Awareness Shapes the Systems Coaching Process

In this conversation, Katie welcomes CRR Global co-founder Marita Fridjhon to the show to discuss the observer effect in systems coaching. Research in relational psychology and systems theory supports the idea that change arises in relationships, not in isolation. The observer effect reminds us that systems work- whether that be in a coaching session or group supervision- is a co-creative process. It is not just about analysing data, but about what becomes possible in the presence of mindful, attuned witnessing.

Key takeaways from this episode:

• In physics, the observer effect refers to how the act of observing a phenomenon can change its behavior. While the term originates in quantum mechanics, the concept is increasingly relevant to fields that rely on human presence, awareness, and relational engagement—including coaching supervision.
• The observer effect reflects a foundational truth: presence is not neutral. The supervisor is a co-participant in the relational field, actively shaping what unfolds. Observation becomes a force of change—not because of analysis, but because of mindful, attuned witnessing.
• Systems workers engaged in this model relational intelligence recognize that their tone, posture, silence, or intuitive nudge can shift the system. Whether through a well-timed pause or a single moment of spacious attention, their presence invites the supervisee to access greater awareness and possibility.
• When systems workers bring grounded, intentional presence, they create a field that is safe enough for emergence and brave enough for insight. This presence doesn’t seek to fix, but to facilitate a deepened seeing—one that includes the coach, the client, and the unseen patterns shaping the work.

Marita Fridjhon is co-founder of CRR Global and mentor to an ever-growing community of practitioners in the field of Relationship Systems work. She came to this work from an extensive background in clinical social work, community development, process work, family systems therapy, business consulting and alternative dispute resolution. Her primary focus in coaching is on systemic change, leveraging differences, creative communication, deep democracy in conflict management and the development of learning organizations.

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of faculty and partners, we connect, inspire and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time.

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

Season 6 Bonus Episode 
Exploring Right Relationship with Grief

In this powerful conversation, I talk with coach supervisor and CRR faculty member Daphne Taylor about what it means to be in right relationship with death and dying. Whilst this may feel like a heavy topic, we hold it with lightness and love, and in many ways the discussion is as much about what it means to be in right relationship with life and living. This conversation feels important and hopeful, and our intention is to create a space for more conversations like this to happen.

What you’ll gain from this episode:

• Simple strategies for opening discussions around death and dying.
• An awareness of the complexity of the grief process.
• A systemic perspective on how to help someone in grief.
• Reflections on the nature of life through the lens of death.
• Appreciation of the importance of talking about death.

Daphne Taylor is CRR Global faculty and was Front of Room and Certification faculty over a period of 13 years. Now, she is part of the team producing CRR Global’s new systemic supervision program. Her husband, Paul, was diagnosed with terminal brain cancer in 2015 and given 12-18 months to live. They had been married for 34 years and had a strong, loving relationship and were just emerging from the years of childrearing to planning exciting adventures ahead. Paul lived for 18 months and died in a hospice just after his 60th birthday in 2017.

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of faculty and partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time.

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

Season 6 Bonus Episode 
Seeing That Frees: Shifting our perception from a world of objects to a web of relationship

In this podcast, Katie Churchman speaks with CRR Global faculty member Janet Frood and Systems worker Tom Mansfield about the Cards for Life project and its applications in coaching and organizational development. The project was designed to bridge personal development and environmental awareness, serving as "permission slips" or "portals" to shift perspectives, access emotions, and facilitate deeper conversations in team and organizational settings. Throughout this conversation, they explore ways to synthesise different concepts and experiences, leverage the wisdom of nature within systems coaching, and embody metaskills. This fascinating conversation invites us to connect our inner personal work with outer systemic concerns, offering coaches practical ways to shift emotional fields in their work. 

https://paleblueperspective.com/cards-for-life 

Janet Frood is an executive, leadership, and team coach and founder of Horizon Leadership Institute, based in Canada. She is a caring and provocative ally for leaders and organizations as they boldly transform. She is also a sought-after workshop facilitator on topics including change resilience, team trust, and courageous leadership. She is skilled in developing the relationship architecture of teams and fostering conditions for a healthy organizational culture. Janet recognizes the grounding and regenerative power of the natural world and weaves nature-based experiences and labyrinth facilitation work into team coaching and retreat offerings. These practices invite clients to engage in deeper reflection, somatic awareness, and holistic integration. 

Tom Mansfield has developed the tool Cards for Life, which supports individuals and teams to bring living systems thinking into cultures and organizations. The cards work as a guidance system and a shared language to define regeneration in particular situations, sectors, and contexts. He's the founder of Pale Blue, where he offers coaching and consulting in service to planetary health and creates frameworks for regenerative practice in business and organizational design.

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time.

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Katie Churchman talks with CRR Global faculty member Stephen Burke about the importance of pre-framing. Pre-framing involves considering the lens through which we look before stepping into a conversation, meeting, or project. In this conversation, we explore how pre-framing can help systems workers and their clients navigate conflict, change, and uncertainty. Whether we are delivering difficult news or providing feedback, how might the way we frame the conversation help us to positively influence the emotional field.

What you’ll gain from this episode:

• Awareness around the power and importance of pre-framing in coaching
• Strategies for shifting the lenses we look through
• An understanding of the impact of unconscious energy
• Tools for consciously thinking about how you want to ‘BE’ in any given situation 
• Appreciation of the importance of metaskills and conscious and intentional impact

Stephen Burke is a teaching faculty member for CRR Global’s Organization and Relationship Systems Coaching (ORSC) training. He combines deep corporate experience, knowledge of startup and innovation processes, and extensive global executive and team coaching and leadership development experience to develop leaders and startup teams globally. An Aerospace Engineer who also holds a master’s degree in Mindfulness studies and holds the ICFs PCC and ACTC certifications. British by birth, German by naturalization and a US permanent resident, Stephen considers himself a citizen of the world and has worked globally. 

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

Energy Part 3: The impact of directing positive energy into the world

What you’ll gain from this episode:

• How to learn how to access different energies within ourselves that we’d like to experience more in the world.
• The power of broadcasting energy
• Ways to attune to the body’s intelligence and incorporate this wisdom into coaching.
• How energy awareness allows us to access the essence of the three levels of reality.
• The importance of attending to energetic fields, using sounds, smell, and movement.

Click here to listen to Part 1: The Importance of Energy Awareness in Systems Coaching and Part 2: Navigating and Managing Other People's Energy. 

Molly Flanagan has over 18 years of experience as a coach, facilitator, and organizational culture expert, bringing a unique blend of professional expertise and deep holistic practices to her work. Her global perspective as a United Nations international civil servant has shaped her approach, guiding clients through complex transitions with compassion, clarity, and vision. At the heart of her mission is the cultivation of intimacy, embodiment, and flourishing within human systems, while building a more vibrant, just future for all. Molly’s clients are purpose-driven leaders and organizations ready to expand their impact and redesign their lives and workplaces with courage, creativity, and care.

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

Energy Part 2: Navigating and managing other people’s energy

What you’ll gain from this episode:

• Tips for creating more energy hygiene for yourself and your relationships.
• An understanding of energy dissonance and coherence in our relationships.
• Ways to bring more energy harmonization into your life
• The importance of revealing the emotional field to a system
• The power of rituals to clear our energy between meetings. 

Click here to listen to Part 1: The Importance of Energy Awareness in Systems Coaching.

Molly Flanagan has over 18 years of experience as a coach, facilitator, and organizational culture expert, bringing a unique blend of professional expertise and deep holistic practices to her work. Her global perspective as a United Nations international civil servant has shaped her approach, guiding clients through complex transitions with compassion, clarity, and vision. At the heart of her mission is the cultivation of intimacy, embodiment, and flourishing within human systems, while building a more vibrant, just future for all. Molly’s clients are purpose-driven leaders and organizations ready to expand their impact and redesign their lives and workplaces with courage, creativity, and care.

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

Energy Part 1: The Importance of Energy Awareness in Systems Coaching

What you’ll gain from this episode:

• An understanding of why energy awareness is essential in Relationship work.
• Strategies for tuning into energy, in yourself, and with others
• Awareness of why being aware of your energy is essential as a coach
• Using energy to create a certain impact 
• An awareness of the power of energy to shift emotional fields. 

Molly Flanagan has over 18 years of experience as a coach, facilitator, and organizational culture expert, bringing a unique blend of professional expertise and deep holistic practices to her work. Her global perspective as a United Nations international civil servant has shaped her approach, guiding clients through complex transitions with compassion, clarity, and vision. At the heart of her mission is the cultivation of intimacy, embodiment, and flourishing within human systems, while building a more vibrant, just future for all. Molly’s clients are purpose-driven leaders and organizations ready to expand their impact and redesign their lives and workplaces with courage, creativity, and care.

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

What you’ll gain from this episode:

• An understanding of how to use reflective practice to update and reimagine the stories we tell ourselves
• An awareness of reflective practice as a powerful ally for crossing edges.
• Insight into how reflective practice can create space within our internal landscape.
• Using reflective practice as a tool for understanding the themes and patterns of our lives.
• Vulnerable examples from Alfred about how reflective practice has helped him to build relationship with different parts of himself.

Alfred De Pew  is a cultural worker, writer, painter and process facilitator who has taught a the Universities of Vermont & New Hampshire, the Maine Arts college, and Haystack Mountain School of Crafts. His writing workshops have been sponsored by The Maine Writers and Publishers Alliance and various community programs throughout the United States and Canada. He served for several years on the faculty of CRR Global as an individual supervisor, certification cohort leader, front of room leader and director of supervision. He lives in Vancouver BC where he offers spiritual accompaniment, astrological consultation, energy work, support for community leader, clergy, writers, artists, intuitive and healing arts practitioners. 

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

What you’ll gain from this episode:

• The significance of unfolding in the process of reflective practice.
• An understanding of the importance of slowing down and feeling into the body in reflective practice.
• Ways to enlist the help of the observer, as opposed to blocking them through interpretation and judgement.
• Techniques for deepening signals that show up in reflective practice so that we can amplify and understand them more deeply. 
• Examples from Alfred and Katie that demonstrate how inner work can impact our outer world.

Alfred De Pew is a cultural worker, writer, painter and process facilitator who has taught a the Universities of Vermont & New Hampshire, the Maine Arts college, and Haystack Mountain School of Crafts. His writing workshops have been sponsored by The Maine Writers and Publishers Alliance and various community programs throughout the United States and Canada. He served for several years on the faculty of CRR Global as an individual supervisor, certification cohort leader, front of room leader and director of supervision. He lives in Vancouver BC where he offers spiritual accompaniment, astrological consultation, energy work, support for community leader, clergy, writers, artists, intuitive and healing arts practitioners. 

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

What you’ll gain from this episode:

• An insight into the power of reflective practice as a tool for understanding ourselves better in relationship to the world.
• Awareness of how to build reflective practice into your life through journalling, free-writing and drawing.
• Ways to allow our authentic voice to emerge in reflective practice, without editing it out or blocking.
• Techniques that will help you to sit in the process rather than focus on the output or destination.
• Colourful examples from Alfred about the influential impact of journaling in his life as a teacher, coach and mentor.

Alfred De Pew is a cultural worker, writer, painter and process facilitator who has taught a the Universities of Vermont & New Hampshire, the Maine Arts college, and Haystack Mountain School of Crafts. His writing workshops have been sponsored by The Maine Writers and Publishers Alliance and various community programs throughout the United States and Canada. He served for several years on the faculty of CRR Global as an individual supervisor, certification cohort leader, front of room leader and director of supervision. He lives in Vancouver BC where he offers spiritual accompaniment, astrological consultation, energy work, support for community leader, clergy, writers, artists, intuitive and healing arts practitioners. 

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

Is the story you're telling expansive or limiting? In this episode of the Relationship Matters podcast, Kiki Kesseler and host Katie Churchman discuss the importance of the narrative in coaching. Kiki, a CRR Global faculty member with 20 years of experiences, emphasizes how stories shape our reality and agency. She shares recollections that highlight the need for conscious and intentional storytelling.

What you’ll gain from this episode:

1.        Greater awareness of the power of storytelling in everyday life

2.        An understanding of stories as lenses we look through that shape our lives

3.        Tools for changing or updating unhelpful or outdated narratives

4.        How to empower ourselves and others by shifting the narrative

5.        Vulnerable examples from Kiki and Katie about some of the stories they have worked with in their personal lives.

Kiki Kesseler is a CRR Global faculty member for both courses and the certification programme. Kiki focuses on people development and brings 20+ years of experience in cultural diversity, coaching, training, and team management across various industries, with corporate roles in Sales & Marketing, Business Development, and Training. She specializes in team development, conflict resolution, leadership skills, and systemic coaching. Originally from The Netherlands, she speaks Dutch, English, and German. Her cross-cultural experience was established through living in Austria, the United States, Germany and the UAE over the past 18 years, working within culturally diverse environments, organizations and teams.

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this Masterclass episode, we'll dive deep into team coaching—a practice transforming how teams collaborate, communicate, and achieve extraordinary results. In this compilation episode, we’ve handpicked some of the most insightful moments from our archives to bring you the essential principles, strategies, and tools that every coach, leader, or team member needs to know.

So, whether you’re coaching a team through a tough transition, looking to boost collaboration, or simply passionate about helping teams thrive, this episode is for you. Get ready to be inspired, challenged, and equipped with the insights you need to elevate your coaching practice and create high-performing teams.

Guests featured in this Masterclass episode (all hyperlinked to their respective episodes) are as follows:

• S.4.23 Martin Klever
• S.4.6 Faith Fuller
• S.3.5 Maddie Weinreich
• S.3.18 Floyd Carlson
• S.4.13 Marita Fridjhon
• S.3.19 Terrance Turpin
• S.4.5 Lori Shook
• S.5.6 Marita Fridjhon
• S.5.18 Judy van Zon & Faith Fuller

Masterclass Series: This is a specially curated collection of episodes from the podcast archives designed to provide both a taster of the Organizational & Relationship Systems Coaching (ORSC) approach and a valuable refresher on its breadth and potential. Each episode explores key concepts and themes of the ORSC approach, offering practical insights on enhancing relationships, managing change, and fostering collaboration in various contexts. Join us to learn how ORSC can help you build stronger, more resilient systems in both personal and professional spheres.

Other episodes in the Masterclass series include:

• ORSC Essentials: A Primer on Organizational & Relationship Systems Coaching
• Emotional Intelligence Masterclass: A deep dive into self-awareness & personal growth

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Katie Churchman talks with CRR Global faculty member and UK partner Nairy McMahon about toxic communication and overcoming unhealthy patterns in our relationships. Across this conversation, they discuss and explore how to break free from unskill communication patterns by raising awareness, creating space, and owning what we want in a relationship.  

What you’ll gain from this episode:

1. Insight into different types of toxic communication patterns in relationships.
2. An understanding of how toxic communication patterns can become normalized and unconscious in our relationships.
3. Ways to become more aware of these signals or patterns in our relationships. 
4. Tools that enable us to be more at choice and more conscious of how we show up in our everyday conversations.
5. Vulnerable and authentic examples from Nairy and Katie about how these unskillful communication patterns appear in their lives, professionally and personally.

Click here to listen to Nariy and Katie's previous conversation on Exploring our Relationship with the Toxins.

Nairy McMahon is CRR Global’s Director of Business Development, faculty member and Head of CRR UK. She is a CTI-trained coach and ORSC Certified practitioner with a corporate background, having worked in banking and property development. She has spent the past 10 years collaborating and running a private investment company in London. She also has acted as a business advisor to a number of start-ups. She has a strong interest in teams, especially culturally diverse teams and has lived on four continents.

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In the second of this two-part mini-series on the Third Entity, CRR Global faculty members Yuri Morikawa and Fuyuo Sato dive deeper into the concept of the Third Entity, exploring how to lead with it and learn from it. This episode focuses on unlocking the power of shared growth, demonstrating how the Third Entity becomes a teacher and a guide in co-coaching and co-facilitating relationships. Yuri and Fuyuo share stories and strategies for navigating challenges, fostering collaboration, and embracing the unexpected lessons that emerge from the relationship itself. Through practical examples and thought-provoking insights, they illustrate how the Third Entity can help co-coaches and co-leaders grow together while creating richer, more dynamic relationships. 

What You’ll Gain from This Episode:

1. How to “listen” to the Third Entity and respond to its needs.
2. Techniques for staying curious and open to learning within partnerships.
3. Ways to leverage challenges as opportunities for mutual growth.
4. Insights into the transformative power of shared leadership.
5. Practices to continuously evolve and strengthen your collaborative relationships.

Click here to listen to part one: Laying the Foundation for Strong Relationships.

Fuyuo Sato is a senior faculty member at CRR Global and an experienced coach with a passion for transforming relationships in teams and organizations. He began his career as a teacher before taking an in-house position as a coach for his coworkers at the school he was working at in Tokyo. Since becoming an independent coach, he has worked on a variety of organizational development initiatives, mostly in the APAC region, with both large multinational corporations and local small businesses. He has supported his client teams in becoming more autonomous and self-sustainable. He now lives in the forested area of Nagano with his wife and two cats as part of his experiment to explore the right relationship between nature and human society.

Yuri Morikawa has been a professional coach since 2004, training and coaching over 1,000 leaders and coaches worldwide, including corporate executives, NGO leaders, and entrepreneurs. Previously, she worked as a management consultant specializing in organizational and leadership development for 13 years. Yuri is a global faculty member of CRR Global and the founder of CRR Japan, where she launched the ORSC program in 2009. Passionate about social impact, she collaborates with NGOs like the Kamonohashi Project and Asia Rural Institute, focusing on leadership development and social change in Asia and Africa.

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

What is the Third Entity, and how can we get even more deliberate in working with it? It's a key idea in systems inspired coaching, since we work directly with the unique and dynamic "personality" that is created when two people come together in relationship. In this first episode of a two-part series, CRR Global faculty members Yuri Morikawa and Fuyuo Sato explore how they foster trust, alignment, and creativity by intentionally cultivating their Third Entity.

Through personal insights and professional experiences, Yuri and Fuyuo share foundational principles for building strong relationships and provide actionable strategies to enhance collaboration. Whether you’re a coach, facilitator, or leader, this episode will deepen your understanding of relational dynamics and set the stage for more effective and meaningful partnerships.

What You’ll Gain from This Episode:

1. Learn what the Third Entity is and why focusing on the relationship itself can transform your co-coaching and co-facilitation partnerships.
2. Discover how to set the foundation for strong relationships through clear agreements, role clarity, and shared values.
3. Gain insights on how to turn diverse styles and perspectives into strengths that drive creativity and alignment.
4. Explore practical tips for improving communication, including active listening, feedback exchange, and fostering curiosity.
5. Learn how to maintain and nurture the Third Entity over time with regular check-ins, reflections, and adaptive practices.

Fuyuo Sato is a senior faculty member at CRR Global and an experienced coach with a passion for transforming relationships in teams and organizations. He began his career as a teacher before taking an in-house position as a coach for his coworkers at the school he was working at in Tokyo. Since becoming an independent coach, he has worked on a variety of organizational development initiatives, mostly in the APAC region, with both large multinational corporations and local small businesses. He has supported his client teams in becoming more autonomous and self-sustainable. He now lives in the forested area of Nagano with his wife and two cats as part of his experiment to explore the right relationship between nature and human society.

Yuri Morikawa has been a professional coach since 2004, training and coaching over 1,000 leaders and coaches worldwide, including corporate executives, NGO leaders, and entrepreneurs. Previously, she worked as a management consultant specializing in organizational and leadership development for 13 years. Yuri is a global faculty member of CRR Global and the founder of CRR Japan, where she launched the ORSC program in 2009. Passionate about social impact, she collaborates with NGOs like the Kamonohashi Project and Asia Rural Institute, focusing on leadership development and social change in Asia and Africa.

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this Masterclass on Emotional Intelligence, we'll explore self-awareness—a critical skill for personal growth, effective leadership, and nurturing meaningful relationships. In this Masterclass, we’ve curated a series of insightful clips from some of our most powerful episodes, each offering unique perspectives and practical strategies for enhancing emotional intelligence. Whether you want to improve your relationships or enhance your professional interactions, this episode is packed with practical wisdom and strategies to help you develop and refine your emotional intelligence.

Guests featured in this Masterclass episode (all hyperlinked to their respective episodes) are as follows:

• S.5.10 Judy Van Zon & Irith Koster
• S.3.8 Floyd Carlson 
• S.4.11 Cynthia Loy Darst 
• S.4.30 Kiki Kesseler
• S.5.19 Rebecca Hou & Jie Zhou
• S.5.18 Neil Edwards
• S.4.26 Mike Holton
• S.5.13 Yuri Morikawa
• S.4.9 Marita Fridjhon
• S.5.9 Suncica Getter

Masterclass Series: This is a specially curated collection of episodes from the podcast archives designed to provide both a taster of the Organizational & Relationship Systems Coaching (ORSC) approach and a valuable refresher on its breadth and potential. Each episode explores key concepts and themes of the ORSC approach, offering practical insights on enhancing relationships, managing change, and fostering collaboration in various contexts. Join us to learn how ORSC can help you build stronger, more resilient systems in both personal and professional spheres.

Other episodes in the Masterclass series include:

• ORSC Essentials: A Primer on Organizational & Relationship Systems Coaching

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this reflective episode of Relationship Matters, host Katie Churchman and CRR Global co-founder Faith Fuller invite listeners to explore the body as a profound doorway to personal and relational transformation. Drawing from her own experiences, Faith shares how her evolving relationship with her changing body has become a channel for development and awe-inspiring insight.

Through moments of stillness and awareness, Faith reveals how embracing the body’s finite nature can be a gateway to wisdom and profound presence. She discusses the challenges of navigating physical changes and how they have offered her transformative lessons—inviting listeners to slow down, listen, and honor the body's wisdom.

What you’ll gain from this episode:

1. Learn how to cultivate a reciprocal relationship with your body.
2. Discover the transformative power of listening to your body’s signals.
3. Unlock the body’s potential as a source of wisdom and awe.
4. Explore how awareness of the body’s finite nature fosters gratitude and presence.
5. Gain insights on turning physical challenges into opportunities for growth and resilience.

Faith Fuller is co-founder of CRR Global. She is a psychologist and experienced trainer and coach with over 20 years of experience in working with organizations, couples, and communities. Faith takes a systems approach to coaching, namely that all aspects of the system need to be addressed for effective change to occur. Her particular skill empowers powerful, productive, and joyous relationships in couples, partnerships, and teams. She also has a background in consultation, team building, conflict resolution, and community crisis intervention.

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode of the Relationship Matters podcast, Katie Churchman is joined by CRR Global co-founder Faith Fuller to explore the delicate balance between a coach’s vision for their client and the client’s own journey. They dive into the challenges of wanting more for clients than they want for themselves and discuss how to foster authentic growth without overstepping.

What you’ll gain from this episode:

1. Insights into respecting a client’s unique pace and journey.
2. Strategies for balancing support and client autonomy.
3. Ways to manage your own expectations as a coach.
4. Techniques for empowering clients to take ownership of their growth.
5. Practical advice on maintaining boundaries in the coaching relationship.

Faith Fuller is co-founder of CRR Global. She is a psychologist and experienced trainer and coach with over 20 years of experience in working with organizations, couples, and communities. Faith takes a systems approach to coaching, namely that all aspects of the system need to be addressed for effective change to occur. Her particular skill empowers powerful, productive, and joyous relationships in couples, partnerships, and teams. She also has a background in consultation, team building, conflict resolution, and community crisis intervention.

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

Across this Masterclass on ORSC Essentials, you’ll experience the transformative power of ORSC, which integrates systems thinking with coaching techniques to enhance relationships, navigate change, and foster collaboration. The masterclass will introduce you to leading experts in the field who explore some of the key mindsets and methodologies that define this powerful framework for coaching and life.  Whether you’re new to ORSC or seeking to deepen your practice, this masterclass will offer insights into how ORSC can be applied across personal, professional, and organizational contexts to create more resilient and dynamic systems & a healthier and more connected world. 

Guests featured in this Masterclass episode (all hyperlinked to their respective episodes) are as follows:

• S.1.7 - Faith Fuller
• S.4.7 - Marita Fridjhon
• S.4.19- Sandra Cain & Maddie Weinreich
• S.5.14 - Frank Uit de Weerd
• S.4.B1 - Judy Van Zon & Katherine Starks
• S.2.10 -  Floyd Carlson
• S.5.15 - Nairy McMahon
• S.4.10 -  Cynthia Loyd Darst
• S.5.3 - Kiki Kesseler
• S.1.14 - Faith Fuller

Masterclass Series: This is a specially curated collection of episodes from the podcast archives designed to provide both a taster of the Organizational & Relationship Systems Coaching (ORSC) approach and a valuable refresher on its breadth and potential. Each episode explores key concepts and themes of the ORSC approach, offering practical insights on enhancing relationships, managing change, and fostering collaboration in various contexts. Join us to learn how ORSC can help you build stronger, more resilient systems in both personal and professional spheres.

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

Merger and Individuation in personal and relationship growth

In the premiere of season 6 of the Relationship Matters podcast, host Katie Churchman is joined by CRR Global co-founder Faith Fuller to discuss the delicate balance between individuation and merging in relationships. Together, they explore how honoring both individuality and connection is essential for building healthy, resilient partnerships. How can we be true to ourselves while fully committing to our relationships? How does recognizing this balance contribute to healthier, more resilient partnerships?

What you’ll gain from this conversation:

1. Insights into the importance of balancing “me” and “we” in relationships.
2. Strategies for supporting individual growth while maintaining connection.
3. Tips for fostering mutual support in partnerships.
4. Practical tools for navigating boundaries and closeness.
5.  Understanding the role of communication in balancing autonomy and intimacy.

Faith Fuller, PhD, is co-founder of CRR Global. She is a psychologist and experienced trainer and coach with over 20 years of experience in working with organizations, couples, and communities. Faith takes a systems approach to coaching, namely that all aspects of the system need to be addressed for effective change to occur. Her particular skill empowers powerful, productive, and joyous relationships in couples, partnerships, and teams. She also has a background in consultation, team building, conflict resolution, and community crisis intervention.

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this 4-part bonus series on ORSC and parenting, Katie Churchman explores parenting through the lens of ORSC with CRR Global Co-founder Faith Fuller and senior faculty member Sandra Cain. Across this 4-part bonus series, Sandra takes the role of host, allowing Katie to embrace being a guest on the show as a new mum to twin girls. These 4 episodes were recorded across a 6-month period, so different life experiences, challenges, and changes have informed the evolution of this conversation. Part 1 provides an overview of the topic, and parts 2, 3, and 4 explore ORSC and parenting through the different relationship dimensions: Relationship Intelligence, Relationship Geography, and Relationship Path. 

In part 4, we look at parenting through the lens of Relationship Path. This includes dreaming, original myth, 3 levels of reality and myth change.

Sandra Cain coaches individuals, pairs, and teams around the world. Her background includes 15 years of experience at American Express with various leadership and personal development roles. In addition to leading the CRR Global Core Curriculum, she is also Associate Director of the Certification Program and on faculty for The Coaches Training Institute. Her stand for this work is that since we’re already in relationships, we might as well be conscious and intentional about who we are, what we do, and how we live.

Faith Fuller is co-founder and President of CRR Global. She is a psychologist and experienced trainer and coach with over 20 years of experience in working with organizations, couples, and communities. Faith takes a systems approach to coaching, namely that all aspects of the system need to be addressed for effective change to occur. Her particular skill empowers powerful, productive, and joyous relationships in couples, partnerships, and teams. She also has a background in consultation, team building, conflict resolution, and community crisis intervention.

Katie Churchman hosts the Relationship Matters podcast and is a Front of the Room faculty member at CRR Global. As an ICF Professional Certified Coach (PCC), certified in Organisational & Relationship Systems Coaching (ORSCC) & the ICF’s Advanced Certification in Team Coaching (ACTC), Katie helps leaders, teams & organizations find clarity & direction so that they can take ownership of goals and achieve results. Her coaching sessions are designed to deliver maximum impact and measurable growth specific to business objectives, professional aspirations & personal goals. Katie is passionate about bringing great communication skills & leadership development to organizations worldwide to build positive cultures & create tangible, sustainable change. Katie specializes in coaching individuals & teams across various areas, including Leadership Development, Change Mindset, Personal Impact, Presentation Skills, Effective Communication, and Storytelling. She is goal-orientated and energetic & enjoys working with a fun, focused approach.

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time.

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this 4-part bonus series on ORSC and parenting, Katie Churchman explores parenting through the lens of ORSC with CRR Global Co-founder Faith Fuller and senior faculty member Sandra Cain. Across this 4-part bonus series, Sandra takes the role of host, allowing Katie to embrace being a guest on the show as a new mum to twin girls. These 4 episodes were recorded across a 6-month period, so different life experiences, challenges, and changes have informed the evolution of this conversation. Part 1 provides an overview of the topic, and parts 2, 3, and 4 explore ORSC and parenting through the different relationship dimensions: Relationship Intelligence, Relationship Geography, and Relationship Path. 

In part 3, we look at parenting through the lens of Relationship Geography. This includes lands, inner and outer roles, and time-spirits,

Sandra Cain coaches individuals, pairs, and teams around the world. Her background includes 15 years of experience at American Express with various leadership and personal development roles. In addition to leading the CRR Global Core Curriculum, she is also Associate Director of the Certification Program and on faculty for The Coaches Training Institute. Her stand for this work is that since we’re already in relationships, we might as well be conscious and intentional about who we are, what we do, and how we live.

Faith Fuller is co-founder and President of CRR Global. She is a psychologist and experienced trainer and coach with over 20 years of experience in working with organizations, couples, and communities. Faith takes a systems approach to coaching, namely that all aspects of the system need to be addressed for effective change to occur. Her particular skill empowers powerful, productive, and joyous relationships in couples, partnerships, and teams. She also has a background in consultation, team building, conflict resolution, and community crisis intervention.

Katie Churchman hosts the Relationship Matters podcast and is a Front of the Room faculty member at CRR Global. As an ICF Professional Certified Coach (PCC), certified in Organisational & Relationship Systems Coaching (ORSCC) & the ICF’s Advanced Certification in Team Coaching (ACTC), Katie helps leaders, teams & organizations find clarity & direction so that they can take ownership of goals and achieve results. Her coaching sessions are designed to deliver maximum impact and measurable growth specific to business objectives, professional aspirations & personal goals. Katie is passionate about bringing great communication skills & leadership development to organizations worldwide to build positive cultures & create tangible, sustainable change. Katie specializes in coaching individuals & teams across various areas, including Leadership Development, Change Mindset, Personal Impact, Presentation Skills, Effective Communication, and Storytelling. She is goal-orientated and energetic & enjoys working with a fun, focused approach.

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time.

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this 4-part bonus series on ORSC and parenting, Katie Churchman explores parenting through the lens of ORSC with CRR Global Co-founder Faith Fuller and senior faculty member Sandra Cain. Across this 4-part bonus series, Sandra takes the role of host, allowing Katie to embrace being a guest on the show as a new mum to twin girls. These 4 episodes were recorded across a 6-month period, so different life experiences, challenges, and changes have informed the evolution of this conversation. Part 1 provides an overview of the topic, and parts 2, 3, and 4 explore ORSC and parenting through the different relationship dimensions: Relationship Intelligence, Relationship Geography, and Relationship Path. 

In part 2, we look at parenting through the lens of Relationship Intelligence. This includes edge-crossing, rank, deep democracy, the constant nature of change, and the idea of “who knows what is good or what is bad.”

Sandra Cain coaches individuals, pairs, and teams around the world. Her background includes 15 years of experience at American Express with various leadership and personal development roles. In addition to leading the CRR Global Core Curriculum, she is also Associate Director of the Certification Program and on faculty for The Coaches Training Institute. Her stand for this work is that since we’re already in relationships, we might as well be conscious and intentional about who we are, what we do, and how we live.

Faith Fuller is co-founder and President of CRR Global. She is a psychologist and experienced trainer and coach with over 20 years of experience in working with organizations, couples, and communities. Faith takes a systems approach to coaching, namely that all aspects of the system need to be addressed for effective change to occur. Her particular skill empowers powerful, productive, and joyous relationships in couples, partnerships, and teams. She also has a background in consultation, team building, conflict resolution, and community crisis intervention.

Katie Churchman hosts the Relationship Matters podcast and a Front of the Room faculty member at CRR Global. As an ICF Professional Certified Coach (PCC), certified in Organisational & Relationship Systems Coaching (ORSCC) & the ICF’s Advanced Certification in Team Coaching (ACTC), Katie helps leaders, teams & organizations find clarity & direction so that they can take ownership of goals and achieve results. Her coaching sessions are designed to deliver maximum impact and measurable growth specific to business objectives, professional aspirations & personal goals. Katie is passionate about bringing great communication skills & leadership development to organizations worldwide to build positive cultures & create tangible, sustainable change. Katie specializes in coaching individuals & teams across various areas, including Leadership Development, Change Mindset, Personal Impact, Presentation Skills, Effective Communication, and Storytelling. She is goal-orientated and energetic & enjoys working with a fun, focused approach.

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time.

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this 4-part bonus series on ORSC and parenting, Katie Churchman explores parenting through the lens of ORSC with CRR Global Co-founder Faith Fuller and senior faculty member Sandra Cain. Across this 4-part bonus series, Sandra takes the role of host, allowing Katie to embrace being a guest on the show as a new mum to twin girls. These 4 episodes were recorded across a 6-month period, so different life experiences, challenges, and changes have informed the evolution of this conversation. Part 1 provides an overview of the topic, and parts 2, 3, and 4 explore ORSC and parenting through the different relationship dimensions: Relationship Intelligence, Relationship Geography, and Relationship Path. 

Part 1 provides a flyover of some of the ways ORSC can help us to understand parenting. Looking through the lens of ORSC, what can we learn about parenting, and what can it teach us about ourselves at a personal, relational, and societal level?

Sandra Cain coaches individuals, pairs, and teams around the world. Her background includes 15 years of experience at American Express with various leadership and personal development roles. In addition to leading the CRR Global Core Curriculum, she is also Associate Director of the Certification Program and on faculty for The Coaches Training Institute. Her stand for this work is that since we’re already in relationships, we might as well be conscious and intentional about who we are, what we do, and how we live.

Faith Fuller is co-founder and President of CRR Global. She is a psychologist and experienced trainer and coach with over 20 years of experience in working with organizations, couples, and communities. Faith takes a systems approach to coaching, namely that all aspects of the system need to be addressed for effective change to occur. Her particular skill empowers powerful, productive, and joyous relationships in couples, partnerships, and teams. She also has a background in consultation, team building, conflict resolution, and community crisis intervention.

Katie Churchman hosts the Relationship Matters podcast and a Front of the Room faculty member at CRR Global. As an ICF Professional Certified Coach (PCC), certified in Organisational & Relationship Systems Coaching (ORSCC) & the ICF’s Advanced Certification in Team Coaching (ACTC), Katie helps leaders, teams & organizations find clarity & direction so that they can take ownership of goals and achieve results. Her coaching sessions are designed to deliver maximum impact and measurable growth specific to business objectives, professional aspirations & personal goals. Katie is passionate about bringing great communication skills & leadership development to organizations worldwide to build positive cultures & create tangible, sustainable change. Katie specializes in coaching individuals & teams across various areas, including Leadership Development, Change Mindset, Personal Impact, Presentation Skills, Effective Communication, and Storytelling. She is goal-orientated and energetic & enjoys working with a fun, focused approach.

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time.

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Katie talks with senior faculty member at CRR Global, David Wikander, about the importance of listening to understand in our relationships. Across this conversation, they discuss:

• What does it mean to really listen?
• What leads to us feeling misunderstood or unheard in our relationships?
• The impact of energy on our listening
• The importance of timing when it comes to listening
• Creating skilful behavioral contracts with our partners around WHEN and HOW we listen

David Wikander is a Senior Faculty member with CRR Global, certified with Team Diagnostic, and a certified Co-Active Coach. David’s approach is systems & relationship-oriented, whether he is working with teams, couples or individuals. This approach holds that we are always in relationship, whether the relationship is to the many aspects of our self, the relationship we have with others in our personal life, or the relationship we have within a team or organization. 

Part of what David brings to his coaching is immense diversity in education, training, mentoring, teaching, leadership development and workshop leading, as well as developing and operating several highly successful businesses. He adds to this his own lifelong personal and spiritual growth path.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Katie talks with CRR Global faculty members Rebecca Hou and Jie Zhou about harmony and conflict. Across the conversation, they discuss:

• The relationship between harmony and conflict
• Why we need to embrace both as systems coaches
• The challenges that can arise if we are biased towards one or the other
• The importance of holding the voice of harmony and the voice of conflict as coaches

Rebecca Hou is an ICF Master Certified Coach, Executive/Leadership Coach and Training Consultant. She is also a faculty member and Front of the Room Leader at CTI and CRR Global. She leads professional coaching certification programs: including Co-Active Coaching, ORSC, Neuroscience Consciousness & Transformational Coaching. She is also a mentor coach, supervisor, and examiner for certification coach students. Her major focus areas are one-to-one leadership coaching, team coaching and the design and delivery of training workshops. 

Jie Zhou is a leadership trainer and team coach, and CRR Global faculty. After working for 20+ years in government, start-up, and multinational corporations, she realized the value of unleashing individual and team leadership potential. Encouraged by her hands-on coaching and training experiences for her team, she made a career change from Strategy, Market & Technology Head to a freelance coach and trainer. She has a bachelor's degree of finance from Fudan University and an MBA from Darden Business School at the University of Virginia, USA.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Katie talks with CRR Global faculty member Neil Edwards about positive aspects. Across the conversation, they discuss:

• The importance of becoming aware of positive aspects
• The impact of the brain’s negative bias
• How positive aspects can be an ally for difficult conversations
• The ongoing learning journey surrounding emotional intelligence
• Ways we can become more familiar with positive & negative aspects, both in ourselves and the systems we work and live within  

Neil Edwards is a Front of the Room Leader and Certification Faculty for CRR Global. Neil specializes in expanding range and strengthening resilience for leaders and creating capacity and capability of teams and organizational systems to be positive, productive, and agile in the face of change. He coaches and teaches individuals, teams, and larger organizational systems to identify values, define purpose, act intentionally, think systemically, be inclusive, and nurture wellbeing. He has extensive experience coaching accountants, engineers, attorneys, MBAs, executives, and finance; brand; and IT professionals in corporations, government, and professional services.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Katie talks with CRR co-founder Faith Fuller about the recent release of her new book, ‘Relationship Matters: A New Paradigm for an Evolutionary Leap in Relationship.’ Relationship Matters is now available to purchase online from Amazon, and there are hardback, paper cover and Kindle editions available. An audiobook version is coming soon. 

From family and friends, to romantic partners, professional interactions, and community connections, relationships are an integral part of life. Just as our heart pumps blood throughout our physical bodies to keep us alive, relationships are the lifeblood that helps keep our social and emotional worlds going.
 
Despite the importance of relationships, many of us struggle when it comes to creating healthy and meaningful ones. We are incredibly advanced in science, technology, and medicine – yet when it comes to getting along with others we struggle.
 
Fortunately, there is a better way to approach any relationship in life—and Relationship Matters will show you how. First, you will learn that relationships operate as interdependent, interactive systems. In fact, in any relationship at any level, there is a relationship between the two parties – known as the “third entity” – that is greater and more powerful than the separate individuals in that system. No matter how close or distant a relationship may be, the third entity is always present and available for you to tap into, with its reservoir of deep wisdom. In Relationship Matters, Faith Fuller reveals the universal principles that underpin all relationship systems, which will ultimately help you:

• Understand what relationship intelligence is and why it is critical to human evolution
• Develop Relationship Warriorship
• Unlock the hidden potential in conflict
• Identify new options for navigating difficult relationships
• Build life-changing relationships - especially with yourself

Relationships aren’t something you “do” in your spare time – they are embedded in everything you do! By understanding these relationship systems, you will finally be able to cultivate positive, healthy relationships within yourself and with those closest to you, while contributing to the evolution of relationships on a global level…because all relationships matter.


Faith Fuller is co-founder and President of CRR Global. She is a psychologist and experienced trainer and coach, with over 20 years of experience in working with organizations, couples and communities. Faith takes a systems approach to coaching, namely that all aspects of the system need to be addressed in order for effective change to occur. Her particular skill is empowering powerful, productive and joyous relationships in couples, partnerships and teams . She also has a background in consultation, team building, conflict resolution and community crisis intervention.

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Katie welcomes back Faith Fuller, co-founder of CRR Global & Judy van Zon, a senior faculty member at CRR Global, to talk about ORSC and spiritual intelligence. Across this conversation, they discuss: 

• Why ORSC and spirituality?
• What is spiritual intelligence?
• How can spiritual intelligence help us as coaches?
• What are some ways we can access or harness our own spiritual intelligence? And that of our clients?
• Some of the benefits of spiritual practice- personally and professionally

Faith Fuller is a co-founder of CRR Global. She is a psychologist and experienced trainer and coach, with over 20 years of experience in working with organizations, couples and communities. Faith takes a systems approach to coaching, namely that all aspects of the system need to be addressed in order for effective change to occur. Her particular skill is empowering powerful, productive and joyous relationships in couples, partnerships and teams. She also has a background in consultation, team building, conflict resolution and community crisis intervention.


Judy van Zon has lived and worked in several countries and speaks the language of people who are crossing a border, physically as well as emotionally. In short, she works with people who are going through personal or professional change. One of the things that sets her apart is her inclusion of spirituality to help her clients better connect to their own inner wisdom and power. In her team coaching, Judy believes that working with the ORSC model is a very powerful way to build bridges in relationships. It goes far beyond familiar skills like empathy and active listening. It offers a whole new way of looking at people and how we live and work together. Her focus is on working with corporate leaders and teams. Training others in this allows her to spread this energy throughout the world. For the last 25 years, she has lived and worked in six countries on three continents, the last 3.5 years in India and the region around. She is now back in the Netherlands and, as well as being a senior faculty member, was the former Director of Certification at CRR Global. Judy speaks Dutch, English, German, Spanish, and French.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Katie talks with Nairy McMahon, CRR Global’s Director of Business Development, faculty member, and Head of CRR UK, about our relationship with toxins. Across this conversation, they discuss:

• The benefit of becoming aware of the toxins
• Integrating the antidotes to create long-term behavioral change
• The value of viewing the toxins through the lens of relationship
• The subtle and sophisticated ways toxic behaviors can show up in our relationships
• The importance of slowing down to the pace of the relationship

Nairy McMahon is CRR Global’s Director of Business Development, faculty member and Head of CRR UK. She is a CTI-trained coach and ORSC Certified practitioner with a corporate background, having worked in banking and property development. She has spent the past 10 years collaborating and running a private investment company in London. She also has acted as a business advisor to a number of start-ups. She has a strong interest in teams, especially culturally diverse teams. A psychologist by education, Nairy has worked and lived on four continents.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Katie talks with Frank Uit de Weerd, CRR Global faculty member and co-author of Systems Inspired Leadership, about the benefits of a systems inspired approach to organizational change. Across the conversation, they discuss:

• The importance of preparing for the change
• Ways of working more skilfully with emergent change
• Edge crossing and helping organizations to look for minimal viable edges
• The difference between change management and change leadership
• The importance of slowing down

Frank Uit de Weerd is an organizational psychologist and executive/team/systems coach with extensive experience in leadership development, business innovation and cultural transformation. He builds on more than 25 years of international experience in Human Resources with Royal Dutch Shell, where he held assignments in Europe (Netherlands, Belgium, UK), Africa (Gabon) and Asia (Malaysia). He believes that it’s critical for organizations to create a work environment where people feel safe to bring their whole person and where they are supported and encouraged to step into their magnificence. These so-called human-centered organizations create superior results and are key for building a better, more conscious and sustainable world.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Katie talks with CRR Global faculty member Yuri Morikawa about toxic positivity. Across this conversation, they discuss:

• Can too much positivity ever really be considered 'toxic'? 
• The difference between useful positivity and toxic positivity
• What becomes marginalized when a system is overly biased towards positivity
• Becoming aware of this pattern of behavior in ourselves and the systems that we work with

Yuri Morikawa has been an active player in the professional coaching field since 2004. She has trained and coached more than 1000 of leaders and coaches globally from various backgrounds, such as corporate executives, NGO leaders, business owners, independent professionals, and dream seekers of their own. Prior to her career in coaching, Yuri worked as a management consultant specializing in organizational and leadership development for 13 years. After being a trainer for Coaching Training Institute (CTI) for 8 years, she launched the Organizational and Relationship Systems Coaching (ORSC) Program in Japan and founded CRR Japan in 2009.  Currently, she is a global faculty member of CRR Global, developing professional organizational coaches around the world, such as in Japan, China, Singapore, South Africa, and Australia. She is passionate about bringing her professional experience to the bigger social context and works extensively with NGOs in Social Sectors such as the Kamonohashi Project supporting survivor leaders of human trafficking issues in India and Asia Rural Institute, educating organic farming, and developing servant leadership for rural leaders in Asia and Africa.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Katie welcomes back Sandra Cain, Director of Curriculum and senior Faculty at CRR Global, to talk about alignment. Across this conversation, they discuss: 

• Why alignment coaching is foundational to the ORSC approach
• The challenges surrounding alignment coaching
• The importance of bilateral ventilation
• Shifting from positions to common interests 
• Humanizing the other person and seeing them as a person and not the problem

Sandra Cain coaches individuals, pairs, and teams around the world. Her background includes 15 years of experience at American Express with a variety of leadership and personal development roles. In addition to leading the CRR Global Core Curriculum, she is also Associate Director of the Certification Program and on faculty for The Coaches Training Institute. Her stand for this work is that since we’re already in relationships, we might as well be conscious and intentional about who we are, what we do, and how we live.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Katie talks with CRR Global co-founder Faith Fuller about evolution through relationship, which is a major theme in your upcoming book Relationship Matters: A New Paradigm for an Evolutionary Leap in Relationships. Across the conversation, they discuss:

• Why relationship is essential for human evolution
• What gets in the way of relationship?
• Slowing down to be present with the relationships in our lives
• Our relationship with nature
• Faith’s high dreams for relationship work

Faith Fuller is a co-founder of CRR Global. She is a psychologist and experienced trainer and coach, with over 20 years of experience working with organizations, couples and communities. Faith takes a systems approach to coaching, namely that all aspects of the system need to be addressed in order for effective change to occur. Her particular skill is empowering powerful, productive and joyous relationships in couples, partnerships and teams. She also has a background in consultation, team building, conflict resolution and community crisis intervention.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Katie talks with CRR Global faculty members Judy Van Zon and Irith Koster about Emotional Intelligence or EQ and how it can help us take responsibility for our emotions. This conversation touches on a range of topics, including: 

• What is emotional intelligence and why is it so fundamental to the ORSC approach
• What happens when our EQ is lacking? Or is not balanced with the other intelligences? 
• How to use emotional intelligence to take responsibility for our own emotions
• The link between EQ and locus of control
• The benefits of building emotional intelligence in coaching, leadership and life

Irith Koster trained as an organizational psychologist (MA) and specializes in coaching partnerships and teams, and individual leaders. By studying, working, and living in Amsterdam, Jerusalem and Los Angeles, Irith learned to look at situations from multiple perspectives, which added to her drive to help people do the same. Alongside being a Certified Organization and Relationship Systems Coach since 2013 and a front-of-the-room leader for CRR Global, she is an ICF-accredited Professional Certified Coach and a Certified Team Performance Coach by Team Coaching International. She is also a facilitator of the War to Peace Methodology, created by Halcyon Global, and a Co-active Coach and is a lifelong student of the Gremlin Taming Method by Rick Carson. Her secret mission is that the people she works with take these tools and insights home into their families. Irith is based in the Netherlands with her husband and three daughters. She loves to run in the forest of Amsterdam and to read everything she can about human beings and their relationships. She is fluent in Dutch, English and Hebrew. 

Judy van Zon has lived and worked in several countries and speaks the language of people who are crossing a border, physically as well as emotionally. In short, she works with people who are going through personal or professional change. One of the things that sets her apart is her inclusion of spirituality to help her clients better connect to their own inner wisdom and power. In her team coaching, Judy believes that working with the ORSC model is a very powerful way to build bridges in relationships. It goes far beyond familiar skills like empathy and active listening. It offers a whole new way of looking at people and how we live and work together. Her focus is on working with corporate leaders and teams. Training others in this allows her to spread this energy throughout the world. For the last 25 years, she has lived and worked in six countries on three continents, the last 3.5 years in India and the region around. She is now back in the Netherlands and, as well as being a senior faculty member, was the former Director of Certification at CRR Global. Judy speaks Dutch, English, German, Spanish, and French. 

 
 For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Katie talks with CRR Global faculty member Sunčica Getter about ORSC and mindfulness. Across this conversation, they discuss: 

• What is mindfulness?
• How can mindfulness help us to become better systems coaches?
• How can the ORSC tools and skills help us to be more mindful?
• The inner observer as an ally
• The role of compassion
• Some of the benefits of mindfulness- personally & professionally

Sunčica Getter is an MCC systemic coach, consultant, educator, and Director for Continuous Development at CRR Global. With over 20 years of experience, her focus is on transformational leadership development and systemic culture change. Her work in coaching education has seen her train, mentor and supervise coaches and design and deliver academic, public, and in-house coaching training and accreditation courses. Her experiences collaborating with world-class coaching institutions and diverse clients have made Sunčica a trusted systemic coaching consultant. She advises companies and institutions on the implementation of systemic coaching and systemic thinking for both organizational and community development. In addition, Sunčica is a qualified mindfulness teacher, having trained with Jack Kornfield and Tara Brach through the University of Berkeley’s Greater Good Science Centre.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Katie talks with Mike Holton, COO of CRR Global, about the importance of grief when dealing with a myth change. Across this conversation, they discuss:

•  The value of grieving an old myth before embracing a new myth
•  Some of the challenges that show up when we rush through the grief stage
•  How grief can be an ally for change
•  The importance of slowing down
•  And some ways we can learn to prioritize this important stage

Mike Holton has a lifelong passion for working with and developing leaders across the globe. Alongside his roles at CRR Global, Mike has spent a career working to develop organizational capabilities within the Global 2000. In the coaching field, he has worked as an Agile, leadership, couples, team, and organizational coach. The most important role Mike plays is being a husband and father to four amazing children. This role has shaped him and continues to develop him as a person today.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.