Relationship Matters – Details, episodes & analysis

In this 4-part bonus series on ORSC and parenting, Katie Churchman explores parenting through the lens of ORSC with CRR Global Co-founder Faith Fuller and senior faculty member Sandra Cain. Across this 4-part bonus series, Sandra takes the role of host, allowing Katie to embrace being a guest on the show as a new mum to twin girls. These 4 episodes were recorded across a 6-month period, so different life experiences, challenges, and changes have informed the evolution of this conversation. Part 1 provides an overview of the topic, and parts 2, 3, and 4 explore ORSC and parenting through the different relationship dimensions: Relationship Intelligence, Relationship Geography, and Relationship Path. 

In part 4, we look at parenting through the lens of Relationship Path. This includes dreaming, original myth, 3 levels of reality and myth change.

Sandra Cain coaches individuals, pairs, and teams around the world. Her background includes 15 years of experience at American Express with various leadership and personal development roles. In addition to leading the CRR Global Core Curriculum, she is also Associate Director of the Certification Program and on faculty for The Coaches Training Institute. Her stand for this work is that since we’re already in relationships, we might as well be conscious and intentional about who we are, what we do, and how we live.

Faith Fuller is co-founder and President of CRR Global. She is a psychologist and experienced trainer and coach with over 20 years of experience in working with organizations, couples, and communities. Faith takes a systems approach to coaching, namely that all aspects of the system need to be addressed for effective change to occur. Her particular skill empowers powerful, productive, and joyous relationships in couples, partnerships, and teams. She also has a background in consultation, team building, conflict resolution, and community crisis intervention.

Katie Churchman hosts the Relationship Matters podcast and is a Front of the Room faculty member at CRR Global. As an ICF Professional Certified Coach (PCC), certified in Organisational & Relationship Systems Coaching (ORSCC) & the ICF’s Advanced Certification in Team Coaching (ACTC), Katie helps leaders, teams & organizations find clarity & direction so that they can take ownership of goals and achieve results. Her coaching sessions are designed to deliver maximum impact and measurable growth specific to business objectives, professional aspirations & personal goals. Katie is passionate about bringing great communication skills & leadership development to organizations worldwide to build positive cultures & create tangible, sustainable change. Katie specializes in coaching individuals & teams across various areas, including Leadership Development, Change Mindset, Personal Impact, Presentation Skills, Effective Communication, and Storytelling. She is goal-orientated and energetic & enjoys working with a fun, focused approach.

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time.

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this 4-part bonus series on ORSC and parenting, Katie Churchman explores parenting through the lens of ORSC with CRR Global Co-founder Faith Fuller and senior faculty member Sandra Cain. Across this 4-part bonus series, Sandra takes the role of host, allowing Katie to embrace being a guest on the show as a new mum to twin girls. These 4 episodes were recorded across a 6-month period, so different life experiences, challenges, and changes have informed the evolution of this conversation. Part 1 provides an overview of the topic, and parts 2, 3, and 4 explore ORSC and parenting through the different relationship dimensions: Relationship Intelligence, Relationship Geography, and Relationship Path. 

In part 3, we look at parenting through the lens of Relationship Geography. This includes lands, inner and outer roles, and time-spirits,

Sandra Cain coaches individuals, pairs, and teams around the world. Her background includes 15 years of experience at American Express with various leadership and personal development roles. In addition to leading the CRR Global Core Curriculum, she is also Associate Director of the Certification Program and on faculty for The Coaches Training Institute. Her stand for this work is that since we’re already in relationships, we might as well be conscious and intentional about who we are, what we do, and how we live.

Faith Fuller is co-founder and President of CRR Global. She is a psychologist and experienced trainer and coach with over 20 years of experience in working with organizations, couples, and communities. Faith takes a systems approach to coaching, namely that all aspects of the system need to be addressed for effective change to occur. Her particular skill empowers powerful, productive, and joyous relationships in couples, partnerships, and teams. She also has a background in consultation, team building, conflict resolution, and community crisis intervention.

Katie Churchman hosts the Relationship Matters podcast and is a Front of the Room faculty member at CRR Global. As an ICF Professional Certified Coach (PCC), certified in Organisational & Relationship Systems Coaching (ORSCC) & the ICF’s Advanced Certification in Team Coaching (ACTC), Katie helps leaders, teams & organizations find clarity & direction so that they can take ownership of goals and achieve results. Her coaching sessions are designed to deliver maximum impact and measurable growth specific to business objectives, professional aspirations & personal goals. Katie is passionate about bringing great communication skills & leadership development to organizations worldwide to build positive cultures & create tangible, sustainable change. Katie specializes in coaching individuals & teams across various areas, including Leadership Development, Change Mindset, Personal Impact, Presentation Skills, Effective Communication, and Storytelling. She is goal-orientated and energetic & enjoys working with a fun, focused approach.

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time.

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Katie talks with Frank Uit de Weerd, CRR Global faculty member and co-author of Systems Inspired Leadership, about the benefits of a systems inspired approach to organizational change. Across the conversation, they discuss:

• The importance of preparing for the change
• Ways of working more skilfully with emergent change
• Edge crossing and helping organizations to look for minimal viable edges
• The difference between change management and change leadership
• The importance of slowing down

Frank Uit de Weerd is an organizational psychologist and executive/team/systems coach with extensive experience in leadership development, business innovation and cultural transformation. He builds on more than 25 years of international experience in Human Resources with Royal Dutch Shell, where he held assignments in Europe (Netherlands, Belgium, UK), Africa (Gabon) and Asia (Malaysia). He believes that it’s critical for organizations to create a work environment where people feel safe to bring their whole person and where they are supported and encouraged to step into their magnificence. These so-called human-centered organizations create superior results and are key for building a better, more conscious and sustainable world.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this collection of bonus episodes, we’re looking at the concept of Worldwork, which embraces the idea that we are continuously impacting the world, whether we are conscious of it or not. Whilst Worldwork can involve big acts of altruism and community spirit, it always starts with self. Across the course of these 4 bonus episodes, you will be hearing from 4 Worldworkers’from across the globe, who have all used ORSC tools in very different ways tools to serve their wider communities. 

In this episode Marita Fridjhon is deep-diving into the 5th and final principle of RSI: Relationship Systems are in a constant state of emergence, always in the process of expressing their potential.

This principle is critical to the phenomenon referred to as the speed of change. It signifies modern society’s increasingly shorter planning horizons and the required flexibility to embrace and navigate change effectively. Successful organizations are nimble and flexible in the face of shifting tides.

Most people are averse to change because they are afraid of the unknown or of losing the status quo. Even the word “change” itself often creates resistance. With RSI, the premise is to accept change as constant, natural and inevitable and to co-create with and from it. Leaders need to move away from the traditional unfreeze-change-freeze paradigm and encourage teams to embrace change as a natural and continuous evolution necessary for survival.

In this episode, Floyd Carlson and Katie Churchman are discussing the power of small habits and fresh starts. Building on their previous discussion around myths and myth change they explore ways of refreshing or completely rewriting narratives in our everyday lives. How can we change the stories that will enable us to step into new ways of being, with each other and with ourselves.

We often wait for temporal markers- like a New Year or a birthday ending in a zero- to make big changes…but why can’t we start today? And what habits can we build into our lives to help us to keep us on track?   

Join Katie and Floyd as they discuss ways in which we can utilize the power of storytelling in everyday life in order to consciously create new ways of being, with our teams, our partners and perhaps most importantly with ourselves.

In this episode, Marita Fridjhon is deep-diving into the 4th principle of RSI: Relationship Systems Are Naturally Intelligent, Generative and Creative.

This principle allows us to view any change or disturbance as an ally while trusting the Team Entity’s resourcefulness to find its own answers. Conflict and chaos are seen as signals and messages by the Team Entity to co-create from- rather than react to- something new that is trying to happen. 

The more RSI a team has, the more collectively intelligent, generative and creative it can be, paving the way for increased performance. These Relationship System qualities remain present regardless of circumstances, even in disturbance and breakdown (like during a global pandemic). 

In this episode, Katie Churchman talks with Maddie Weinreich about toxic behaviors. Building on John Gottman’s research into couples they explore how to become more aware and ultimately reduce the amount of ‘toxins’ that show up in your relationship. The 4 Relationship Toxins are Defensiveness, Contempt, Stonewalling and Blaming. When used frequently, these toxic communication patterns are so lethal to human relationships that Dr. Gottman coined the term the “The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse”.

In this podcast, we discuss: the characteristics of the 4 toxins; becoming more aware of your own toxic behaviors; building a positivity bank account; repair bids; and perpetual problems in relationship.

In this episode, Katie Churchman talks with ORSC coach and Agile expert Terrance Turpin. Terrance has over 20 years of experience in Technology and Software Development and is also a CRR USA staff member. Terrance blends Team coaching – supporting teams in clarifying, aligning & co-creating as a diverse but single entity -and Agility coaching – establishing healthy states of flow across an organization by coaching for alignment in structure, processes, environments, and relationships. Terrance believes that the coaching process is one that generates understanding and alignment for the client, their environments, and those they interact with.  

In this episode, Terrance and Katie discuss some of the synergies between ORSC and Agile Coaching; how ORSC and agile are two sides of the same coin; and how a blend of ORSC and Agile can enable organizations to master continuous change.

In this episode, Floyd Carlson and Katie Churchman are discussing myths and myth change. The idea of a myth connects us with the archetypal roots of the relationship - which has great meaning and power. We are always developing who we are as a couple or a corporation, but often unconsciously. So by revealing this creative process to clients the coach we can make it much more conscious and intentional. 

Floyd is a Front of the Room Leader for CRR Global who focuses on leaders and teams and bringing the best out of individuals based on company and individual objectives. Floyd has more than 30 years of business and military experience which he combines with his coaching, training, and organizational development to help leaders achieve professional and personal goals in alignment with company needs.