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Enchantment and Dragonflies with Brooke Williams03 Dec 202501:08:15
It’s hard to put this episode with Brooke Williams on his new book Encountering Dragonfly into words! The breadth and width of this conversation is vast. We talk to Brooke about dragonflies, prophetic dreams, listening to your inner knowing, animal guides, re-enchantment, imaginal ecology, the veils between worlds, and more! Grateful for this lovely book, and for Brooke’s ability to invite, enliven, and re-enchant. 

Show Notes:

Chapters
00:00 The Enchantment of Dragonflies
06:19 Exploring Inner Worlds and Personal Truths
12:25 The Intersection of Science and Spirituality
18:49 Animals as Messengers and Guides
26:57 Archetypes and the Symbolism of Dragonflies
34:49 Imaginal Ecology and Natural History
35:41 Imaginal Ecology and Relationships
39:02 Consciousness and Collective Responsibility
42:37 Attention: The Key to Re-enchantment
47:23 Personal and Collective Re-enchantment
54:03 The Power of Passion and Connection
01:01:35 Facing Mortality and Purpose

Beth Norcross and Leah Rampy on Discovering the Spiritual Wisdom of Trees26 Nov 202501:03:20
We were so fortunate to meet Beth Norcross and Leah Rampy at The Wild Goose Festival! This chance encounter led us to reading their beautiful book Discovering the Spiritual Wisdom of Trees and to the lovely and deeply rooted conversation in this episode. The way Beth and Leah invite us back to nature, remind us that we are one with the trees, and embody looking to the trees as our teachers have inspired us so deeply. May we each find our love for all beings renewed and reinvigorated by these women and their gorgeous work. 

Show Notes:

Chapters
00:00 The Spiritual Connection with Nature
08:59 Personal Journeys and Teacher Trees
18:17 The Wisdom of Trees: Literal and Metaphorical
26:52 The Role of Trees in Spiritual Practices
33:00 The Journey of Spiritual Practices
36:04 Nurse Logs and Ancestral Connections
42:40 Grounding Through Spiritual Practices
48:51 Reconnecting with Nature and Spirituality
57:32 A Message from the Trees

Pilgrimage to Peace with Colleen Moore09 Jul 202500:48:34
Colleen Moore is the director of Peace With Justice at the General Board of Church and Society for the UMC. She joins us today to talk about a recent Young Adult Pilgrimage of Peace she helped facilitate in South Korea. What can we learn from bearing witness to spaces and places where there has been great suffering?  How might walking with others in places very different from our usual bring about personal and communal transformation? Colleen shares about her own personal guides, her deep call to peace and dignity for all, and her commitment to sharing stories to shape real change. 
Stuff we mention in this week’s episode (or meant to anyways): Chapters
00:00 Opening Reflections and Poetic Introduction
01:06 Acknowledging Global Pain and Unrest
02:26 Introducing Colleen Moore and Her Work
03:59 Personal Reflections on Heavy Times
06:39 Finding Joy Amidst Struggles
08:26 Understanding the Pilgrimage Experience
08:38 The Young Adult Peace Pilgrimage Explained
10:04 Witnessing History: The Gowlingeol Massacre Site
12:19 Activating Change Through Pilgrimage
15:43 Surprises and Emotional Impact of the Pilgrimage
18:43 Power, Empire, and Advocacy Challenges
24:24 The Importance of Storytelling in Advocacy
27:20 Personal Narratives and Activism
28:11 Guides and Mentors in the Journey
30:56 The Importance of Bearing Witness
33:56 Christian Nationalism and Its Implications
38:58 Pilgrimage as a Spiritual Journey
41:03 Connecting with Community and Action

Wes Granberg-Michaelson Reshapes Our Definitions of Pilgrimage25 Jun 202500:59:33
Our journey with season 2 continues to meander in beautiful and unexpected ways as we have the extreme privilege of speaking with author, pastor, theologian, and someone well seasoned in the art of pilgrimage: Wes Granberg-Michaelson! Wes blows our minds and invites us into new and deeper understandings of pilgrimage. We delve into pilgrimage as response to empire, important movements that are inviting us back to our truest selves, and what can undergird us in the uncertain times we find ourselves in. This expansive conversation was a gift to us as are all of you, dear listeners! Thanks for making season 2 a wild and lovely pilgrimage. 
Cool stuff we mention in this week’s episode (or meant to anyways): 

Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Radical Sacred and Summer Solstice
01:47 Meeting Wes Granberg-Michelson
02:24 Wes's Journey as a Pilgrim
07:43 Understanding Pilgrimage and Its Dual Nature
09:51 Integrating Internal and External Journeys
16:23 Intentionality in Pilgrimage
25:36 Four Movements of Pilgrimage
31:44 Navigating the Crisis in Seminaries
36:11 Creating a Holding Space for Spiritual Growth
39:50 Walking Away from Empire: The Power of Pilgrimage
50:33 The Role of Nature in Spiritual Connection

Walking Together, Apart18 Jun 202500:44:38
Today we leave our pent up indoor spaces and venture out for a walk together, apart. Can walking bring us closer when there’s literal distance between us? Can walking help us bridge the gap between our heart and our actions? Between where we are and where we’re meant to be? We talk about this season, the places and spaces we’ve been, our fabulous guests who’ve invited us into our own pilgrimages, and how we’re doing with all that’s shifting and changing.  

Join us Saturday June 21st at 8 am for a Conscious Nature Stroll!
Choose your favorite walking spot or find one brand new! Season 2 is drawing to a close and a lot of pilgrimaging has occurred for us since September. We’d love to walk together, apart as we reflect on all that’s been and that’s yet to come.

  We invite you to bring your favorite pal (dog or human, your choice), your favorite poem of the moment to begin your time, turn your phone to silent, and reflect on one or two of the questions below as you walk: 
  1. What is drawing my eye to beauty this morning and where in my life am I being invited to bring forth, protect, or create beauty? 
  2. What is drawing my eye to suffering this morning and where in my life am I being invited to relieve suffering? Suffering in my community, in myself, in the space I’m walking?
  3. What journey in your life is ending or needs to end? Reflect on it. 
  4. What pilgrimage is on your horizon? What is something new calling to you? 

Walk for however long and you’d like and share your reflections with us on Substack or Instagram. Thank you for walking with us this season!


Chapters
00:00 The Power of Walking and Connection
05:43 Embracing Change and New Beginnings
12:01 The Journey of Pilgrimage and Intention
17:45 Attention and Awareness in Nature
23:40 Navigating Endings and New Opportunities
30:57 Embracing Change and New Beginnings
37:02 Creating Without Fear: The Joy of Expression
Carolyn Whitney-Brown's Journey with Henri Nouwen11 Jun 202500:46:23
Carolyn Whitney-Brown joins us in this playful and imaginative conversation around her and Henri Nouwen’s book Flying, Falling, Catching: An Unlikely Story of Finding Freedom. Written more than 2 decades after his death and centered around Henri’s late in life experiences with the trapeze group the Flying Rodelighs, this book is a joyous invitation to expand our horizons and to follow our curiosity. What new, high flying adventures might be calling to you? Where are the communities in our lives that encourage us to live fully? Carolyn, Henri, and the Flying Rodleighs invite us all to be joyful risk takers, rooted deeply in self and community.

Show Notes:
Chapters
00:00 The Poetic Prelude: Icarus and Love
01:24 Introducing Carolyn Whitney: A Journey with Henry Nowen
02:29 Creative Exploration: Writing and Illustrating Together
04:38 Joyful Risk-Taking: Embracing Change in Uncertain Times
09:11 The Trapeze: A Metaphor for Community and Connection
15:15 Balancing Joy and Angst: The Duality of Henry Nowen
18:47 Surprises in the Process: Reflecting on Henry's Legacy
21:18 Henry as a Guide: Lessons from a Life of Pilgrimage
27:04 The Role of Discipline: Structure in Creativity
31:31 Overcoming Inner Criticism: The Voices in Our Heads
34:46 Community and Creativity: Finding Support in Unlikely Places
40:03 The Artist's Role: Bringing Hope Through Creativity
44:51 Embracing Our Ancestors: The Interplay of Joy and Woe

Honest Endings, Gilead, and Easter Wrestling with Rev. Rebecca Anderson and Rev. Vince Amlin04 Jun 202500:45:09
This week we are joined by Rev. Rebecca Anderson and Rev. Vince Amlin of Bethany United Church of Christ in Chicago. We chat about partnership, creating healing spaces, and learning to move with the seasons of life and the ebbs and flows of our invitations from Spirit. Vince and Rebecca share about their journey with and honest ending of their beloved, queer, storytelling, bar-meeting church, Gilead. Every pilgrimage has a beginning and an end. What might we learn from ending things intentionally and with the Cosmic Christ in mind? And how might the things that truly matter to us transcend literal endings? 

Cool stuff we mention in this week’s episode (or meant to anyways):
Chapters
00:00 Reflections on the Afterlife and Personal Growth
02:06 Introduction to Gilead Church and Its Mission
03:47 Founding Stories: The Birth of Gilead Church
07:15 The Significance of the Name 'Gilead'
08:54 Queerness and Storytelling: Core Values of Gilead
15:53 Understanding Pilgrimage in the Context of Gilead
16:35 The Essence of Pilgrimage
20:52 Intentionality in Community
27:10 Embracing Endings with Grace
33:20 Transformative Experiences and Future Directions

The Intersection of Science and Spirituality Through the Life of Pierre Teilhard de Chardin28 May 202500:53:06
We are thrilled to chat with Frank and Mary Frost who are partners in life and film making! Today we talk about their fabulous, Emmy nominated, documentary about French scientist and Jesuit Priest, Pierre Teilhard de Chardin. Teilhard was a feminist, a visionary thinker, a paleontologist, and a man way before his time. When met with new information that challenged his religious ideals, he didn’t shrink, but he expanded to meet the moment. What might we learn from his ecstatic, open hearted  way of moving through the world? Might Teilhard have something to teach us about the intersection of science and spirituality? Join this week's conversation to find out!

Cool stuff we mention in this week’s episode (or meant to anyways):Chapters
00:00 The Vision of Teilhard de Chardin
05:32 The Journey of Filmmaking and Discovery
09:37 The Relevance of Teilhard Today
14:35 Loyalty and Steadfastness in Faith
20:27 The Complexity of Love and Relationships
24:07 Expanding Spirit and Curiosity
25:55 The Omega Point and Spirit-Matter Unity
28:17 The Omega Point and Evolution
31:41 Feminism and the Eternal Feminine
35:49 Paleolithic Emotions and Modern Challenges
39:49 Ecstasy and the Mystical Experience
45:04 Pilgrimage and the Search for the Divine

Chelan Harkin and the Ecstatic Path21 May 202500:53:03
Chelan Harkin joins us today on this meandering and moving conversation about the path of ecstatic movement. When we dial in to our truest selves, what mystical downloads from the universe might we receive? When we follow desire, where might our destination be? And how can a seemingly small act, like learning to trust the gentle nudges of the universe, lead us back to us? Spending time with Chelan is like diving into the deep waters she’s named after, it’s inviting and cool and totally refreshing. We hope you’ll dive in with us, into all the spaces and places that make you, you.
 
Cool stuff we mention in this week’s episode (or meant to anyways): 
Chapters
00:00 The Ecstatic Spark of Creativity
02:39 The Journey of a Poet: From Hesitation to Expression
05:34 The Prayer Experiment: Connecting with the Muse
08:27 The Cosmic Connection: Co-authoring with Daniel Ladinsky
10:26 Listening to the Nudges: Intuition and Inner Guidance
11:35 The Pilgrimage of Refining: Embracing Pain for Growth
17:09 Nature as a Healing Force: Reconnecting with the Earth
21:57 Somatic Practices: Grounding in the Body
27:09 Finding Home in Nature: Personal Connections to the Land
28:33 Connecting with Nature and Desire
32:51 The Power of Surrender and Flow
36:14 The Evolution of God and Language
41:42 Myths and Collective Consciousness
46:01 Guides and Mentorship on the Journey

Announcement
Radical Sacred will be at this year's Wild Goose Festival leading a nature walk we are calling, "Walking the Illuminated Path: A Conscious Stroll in Nature." Using the practice of terra divina (reading nature as a sacred text) we will go for a conscious nature walk employing our 5 senses. When we slow down and center nature what might we hear from the Divine? From the depths of our own heart? From the earth? Invitations from our still wild selves are waiting for us in nature. How will we respond?

If you'd like to join us August 28-31 in Harmony, NC Radical Sacred listeners get a discount on their registration. When checking out use code A-RS for $50 off the total price.
Dr. Tamice Spencer-Helms is a Social Alchemist and Lover of Trees14 May 202500:53:29
Today we go on a journey back to our truest selves with Dr. Tamice Spencer-Helms. They talk to us about finding uncoerced worship amongst the redwood trees, the beauty in connecting with other folks who invite us into our own aliveness, and all the ways we are being asked to remember that we ARE nature. What if we started actually emulating Jesus? What beauty and healing could come from us wandering around in wild spaces with our weird friends? Tamice shares about finding a deep well of courage from their ancestors and from within in one of our favorite interviews of Season 2. 
Cool stuff we mention this episode (or meant to anyways): 
Chapters
00:00 The Journey of Self-Discovery and Growth
03:02 Embracing Ancestry and Nature
05:53 Navigating Identity and Belonging
09:04 The Power of Non-Coercive Worship
12:03 Reconnecting with Intuition
14:57 Expanding Spiritual Frameworks
17:54 The Great Awakening and Community
20:57 Wandering Together in Faith
30:07 The Power of Community and Flock Religion
31:04 The Hush Harbor: A Historical Perspective
34:47 Resurrection Technology: The Impulse for Freedom
42:34 Courage in the Face of Adversity
48:59 Rethinking Freedom and Resistance
54:52 Wrestling with Scripture and Spirituality

Bill Holston Believes in Safe Housing for All07 May 202500:59:40
Bill Holston, CEO of Dallas Eviction Advocacy Center, joins us today on the pod! We hear from Bill about eviction advocacy, the importance of all people having access to representation and safe housing, as well as how he finds connection and rest in nature during these trying times. What can we learn when we reflect on the slow movement of the trout lily? Bill reminds us that  oftentimes advocacy work begins with noticing what’s happening in our towns and to our neighbors. What have you noticed lately that breaks your heart or invites you into advocacy?
By all means, pay attention, and get started on the good work of doing your good work, friends. 

Cool stuff we mention this episode (or meant to anyways): 

Chapters
00:00 The Beauty of Nature and Spirituality
03:04 Pilgrimage: A Journey of Purpose
06:02 Nature's Influence on Personal Growth
09:01 Justice and Advocacy: A Life's Calling
11:49 Faith and Activism: A Complex Relationship
14:51 Dallas: A City of History and Justice
18:10 Nature's Tenacity and Fragility
21:05 The Importance of Companionship in the Journey
33:45 Finding a Church That Aligns with Values
34:10 The Role of Churches in Social Justice
36:34 The Gap Between Desire and Action
39:18 Practical Solutions for Asylum Seekers
42:08 Finding Beauty in Nature
46:30 The Power of Small Actions
49:42 Navigating Hope and Despair
52:43 Understanding Hope vs. Optimism
55:35 Connecting with Community and Nature

Rev. Tim Clifford Invites Us to Reengage Joy30 Apr 202500:42:23
This week we chat with Rev. Tim Clifford about his journey out of cynicism and how he’s learning to reengage with joy. Tim’s substack, Theology of a Recovering Cynic, follows his movement back towards a truer version of himself through endurance sports, theology, TTRPG’s, imagination, and more. In these dark times it can be tempting to give into cynicism and hopelessness. Rev. Tim reminds us that we can walk a different path, one that’s intentional and filled with curiosity and connection. 

Cool stuff we mention this episode (or meant to anyways): 

Chapters
00:00 The Power of Love and Connection
06:29 Endurance and Personal Growth
10:55 The Nature of Love
15:45 Theological Reflections on Power
20:00 Endurance Sports and Spiritual Resilience
28:00 The Importance of Self-Care in Ministry
29:53 Overcoming Cynicism Through Endurance
31:23 Guides on the Journey: Theological and Athletic
34:03 Finding Inspiration in Community
35:17 The Meditative Nature of Endurance Sports
37:04 Rest and Hobbies: Balancing Life and Wellness
40:16 Creation as a Route Away from Cynicism
42:30 Integrating Theology and Daily Life
43:00 Connecting Through Community and Events

Reciprocity and Flow with Melissa Fritchle19 Nov 202500:58:24
We chat all about relational flow today with eco spiritual director, soul guide, holistic psychotherapist, author, and two time Radical Sacred guest Melissa Fritchle! When we begin to build our relationships based on reciprocity and flow beautiful new pathways begin to emerge. Join us for this invitational conversation on interdependence, creativity, intimacy, and following our yearning. 
Cool stuff we mention in this week’s episode (or meant to anyways): 

Chapters
00:00 The Poetic Introduction
02:39 Exploring Soul Guidance
03:36 Understanding Reciprocity
10:27 Transcending Expectations
16:15 From Scarcity to Abundance
22:56 Embracing Discomfort for Growth
27:26 Creativity in Discomfort
31:43 Reconnecting with Yearning
35:02 The Nature of Suffering and Happiness
37:38 Redefining Work and Retirement
39:33 The Importance of Intimacy
43:12 The Role of Ceremony and Ritual
55:29 Embracing Reciprocity in Relationships
Pilgrimage with Pegasus23 Apr 202500:59:36
This week’s episode is a creative and soulful collab with Stephanie Adelina and Satchel Victory of Pegasus Tattoo and Wellness! While Stephanie gives Jenny a gorgeous strawberry tattoo we chat about trauma informed care, creating safe spaces for everyone, therapy and the coming together of all of the above. Steph and Satchel share with us about being partners in life and in business and all the ways care, connection, and community can bring us together. What happens when tattooing and wellness are combined in an inclusive space? Join us to find out! 

Cool stuff we mention this episode (or meant to anyways): 
https://boykeats.tumblr.com/post/708923399751286784/the-strawberry-poem-by-keaton-st-james-patreon

BONUS - Easter Vigil19 Apr 202500:35:33
On this bonus episode we talk about vigil and the things that call to the depths of our hearts. What can’t you turn away from? What is currently calling you to deep attention and care? We chat about swans, the weird wildness of the Easter Vigil, following our joy and our heartbreak, and everything in between. May you turn your loving gaze to the places and spaces that invite you into vigil. And may your loving gaze be the spark that ignites the flame of your actions. 

Cool stuff we mention in this week’s episode (or meant to anyways):

Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Radical Sacred and Wild Goose Festival
04:01 Easter Vigil: A Time of Reflection
08:09 The Importance of Sitting Vigil
11:55 Experiencing Grief and Loss
15:58 The Journey of Vigil and Resurrection
19:57 Nature as a Source of Vigil
24:08 The Complexity of Modern Church Services
27:50 Finding Joy in Vigil
31:55 The Call to Attention and Action
36:05 Conclusion: Embracing the Fullness of Life

Church of the Wild Field Guide Conversation with Victoria Loorz and Valerie Luna Serrels16 Apr 202501:01:38
We chat with Victoria Loorz and Valerie Luna Serrels about their fabulous new offering: Field Guide to the Church of the Wild. Victoria and Valerie are sisters who create uniquely wild offerings through Seminary of the Wild Earth, eco spiritual direction training and more. In this honest and deeply rooted conversation we learn how Victoria and Valerie are creating a mycelial hub for the emerging wild spirituality movement. When we listen to the wild call of our hearts what might we discover? How can being in relationship with the more than human earth transform how we see all things? 

Cool stuff we mention this episode (or meant to anyways): 


Chapters
00:00 Listening to the Land: A Spiritual Practice
10:07 Reimagining Roles and Language in Spiritual Leadership
20:00 The Intersection of Process Theology and Wild Church
29:51 Rituals as a Means of Connection and Healing
39:47 Witnessing Urban Nature: Finding the Wild in Concrete
44:05 Technology and Nature: A New Paradigm
49:50 Embracing Grief and Joy in Community
54:44 Reciprocity: The Essence of Relationships
59:56 Finding Sacredness in Place

Hunter Mobley on the Enneagram and Contemplation: The Journey Back to Who You Are09 Apr 202500:44:06
This week we are joined by Hunter Mobley, Enneagram teacher, speaker, and author of the fabulous new book Letting Go, Finding You. We dive deep with Hunter into contemplation and the Enneagram. If “contemplation is a long loving look”, how might Enneagram wisdom and contemplating flow together? Hunter invites us into a gentler, more hope filled way of viewing the Enneagram and ourselves. 
https://www.broadleafbooks.com/store/product/9798889831655/Letting-Go-Finding-You


Chapters
00:00 The Journey of Self-Discovery
02:20 Introduction to the Enneagram
03:48 Pilgrimage and the Enneagram
07:22 Contemplation and Spirituality
12:05 Personal Journey and Integration
20:47 The Journey of Contemplation
23:19 Contemplation and the Heart Center
27:53 Understanding the Enneagram and Contemplation
33:59 Empathy and the Enneagram
37:17 The Interconnection of Wisdom Traditions

John Philip Newell on St. Brigid and Finding the Address of our Hearts02 Apr 202501:00:05
We are honored and delighted to have this gorgeous conversation with the one and only John Phillip Newell. John Phillip chats with us about St. Brigid, having rituals in these unsettling times, connection to the earth, and everything in between. As we stand in the thresholds of life, how might we draw upon the courage and wisdom of St. Brigid? John Phillip invites us to delight in where we are and to find the addresses of our own hearts, wherever they may dwell.
Cool stuff we mention this episode (or meant to anyways): 
Chapters
00:00 Awakening to the Divine Within
02:25 Journey to Fintorn: A Sacred Community
06:32 The Essence of Pilgrimage
17:20 Attention as Prayer: A Mindful Approach
21:48 St. Bridget: Myth and Midwifery
28:04 Imagination and Prophetic Wisdom
32:53 Imagining a New Future
33:57 Bridging Wisdom Traditions
34:55 Responding to Authority and Generosity
39:45 The Spirit of Our Time
43:57 Understanding Brokenness vs. Woundedness
51:00 The Role of Ritual in Transformation


Journey to Building an Inclusive Future with Mary Jo Schnell26 Mar 202501:12:15
Humbled by this lovely conversation with the Executive Director of OutCenter, Mary Jo Schnell. Mary Jo talks to us about leading with empathy and listening deeply to all people, even those we fundamentally disagree with. We can’t connect with others in meaningful ways if we don’t “stay at the table.” Mary Jo walks us through a vision of building an inclusive future rooted in community, equality for all, and intersectionality. May we each be the vision bearers and light bringers for such a beautiful future. 

Cool stuff we mention this episode (or meant to anyways):             

Chapters
00:00 The Journey of Self-Discovery
02:41 The Role of the Out Center
05:12 Mary Jo's Background and Nonprofit Experience
10:25 Building Community and Support for LGBTQ Youth
16:15 The Importance of Education and Advocacy
21:24 Navigating Systemic Challenges
26:17 Guides and Influences on the Journey
36:30 The Unmasking of the Movement
38:29 Community Resilience and Local Action
43:42 Empathy as a Tool for Connection
48:53 Navigating Tyranny and Advocacy
58:54 The Importance of Staying at the Table

Rev. Jeremy Steele and the Pilgrimage of a Skeptic19 Mar 202500:49:04
Rev. Jeremy Steele takes us on the journey of a skeptic building an open hearted online community rooted in deep questions and care. Jeremy’s new book “How not to suck as a Christian” is an honest reflection of his own faith pilgrimage. Through his Skeptic Pastor account on Tik-Tok Jeremy has found that beneath the most frequently asked questions he gets online are people looking for connection and for authenticity, no matter their background. What big questions do you have that you’ve been made to feel aren’t welcome in certain faith spaces? Rev. Jeremy not only has room for the hard questions, but welcomes them. What might shift for us if we viewed our questions as important guides for our spiritual journey and not something to fear or avoid? 

Cool stuff we mention this episode (or meant to anyways): 

Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Radical Sacred and Mary Oliver's Poem
01:15 Meet Jeremy Steele: A Journey of Faith and Skepticism
03:30 Exploring the Book: How to Not Suck as a Christian
06:08 The Role of Technology in Modern Ministry
08:22 Connecting with Diverse Spiritual Communities
12:35 Mysticism and Spirituality Beyond Traditional Beliefs
18:20 Understanding God: A Linguistic Perspective
20:45 Embracing Mystery in Times of Crisis
23:45 The Power of Relationships in Spirituality
26:02 Wrestling with Doubt and Spiritual Growth
26:54 The Role of Skepticism in Faith
29:01 Guides and Influences on Spiritual Journeys
32:18 Understanding Spirit Guides
33:49 Navigating Foreign Lands in Spirituality
42:51 The Power of Narrative in Spiritual Experience

Melissa Fritchle’s Journey into Conscious Sex12 Mar 202500:54:20
“Yearning is good….it’s a gift.” -Melissa Fritchle 

Melissa Fritchle is a psychotherapist, eco spirituality guide, author of the Conscious Sexual Self Workbook, a meditation and mindfulness teacher, and that’s just scratching the surface! In this honest conversation we talk about following our own yearning, conscious sex as a way of living more open heartedly, and all the ways our lives begin to open up when we’re honest about who we are and what we want. How can having more conscious sex shape not only our more intimate moments but our spirituality and our interconnectedness with all the things that make us feel most alive? Diving into our desires is necessary, albeit sometimes intimidating, work. Our aliveness and our awakeness matter so deeply, let’s journey into more consciousness together!

Cool stuff we mention this episode (or meant to anyways):

Chapters
00:00 Reclaiming the Moment: Presence and Connection
03:04 Exploring Conscious Sexuality and Body Awareness
05:39 The Journey of Yearning: Understanding Our Desires
08:27 Mindfulness and Sensation: Tuning into Pleasure
10:52 Navigating Yearnings: Embracing Our Needs
13:44 Dancing Through Hard Times: The Importance of Joy
16:35 Nature's Teachings: Eco-Spirituality and Belonging
28:28 Reimagining Wellness and Spirituality
30:59 Nature, Diversity, and Queerness
33:36 Embodying Queerness in Community
36:56 Guides on the Spiritual Journey
39:39 The Role of Presence in Relationships
45:07 Navigating Sexuality and Aging
49:47 Curiosity and the Pilgrimage of Life
Beyond Data into Depth with Andrew Wermelskirchen05 Mar 202500:55:05
We love an interview with someone we both love dearly who also happens to run a gorgeous newsletter! Today we interview Andrew Wermelskirchen about his substack offering for educators and religious leaders: Observations of a Nobody. What can happen when we connect with others via curiosity through open ended, open hearted questions? We chat with one of our favorite somebody’s about creative offerings, open hearted living, and leading with vulnerability. Do you have something on your heart and mind that won’t let you go? Then by all means, dive into it!

Cool stuff we mention this episode (or meant to anyways):

Chapters
00:00 The Genesis of Creation and Time
02:53 Friendship and Shared Experiences
05:53 Navigating Personal Identity and Professional Paths
08:22 Introducing the Newsletter: Observations from a Nobody
11:17 The Power of Self-Perception and Language
14:04 Curiosity as a Driving Force in Education
16:56 The Journey of Self-Discovery and Acceptance
19:49 Engaging with Questions and Community
22:47 The Importance of Curiosity in Learning
29:38 The Good Samaritan: A Lesson for Middle Schoolers
33:32 Personal Reflections on Assumptions
36:37 The Importance of Formational Questions
38:12 Depth vs. Data in Communication
43:12 Engaging Conversations and Community
46:48 Facing Fears in Creative Expression
51:33 Guides and Community Support

Feeling Your Way Through Grief with Missy Buchanan26 Feb 202500:47:05
This week we journey with author and speaker Missy Buchanan into an honest exploration into grief. What happens when our life is upended by grief? Missy chats with us about the sudden loss of her husband Barry, her realization that a lot of materials around grief are lacking in authenticity and vulnerability, and her determination to “feel her way through grief” in a way that felt true to her. When we grieve honestly and invite others to do the same, lives are changed and doors are opened. Though none of us would pick grief as our teacher, what do we learn when we honestly encounter it and allow it to guide us? 
Cool stuff we mentioned this episode (or meant to anyways):
https://missybuchanan.com/

Chapters
00:00 Understanding Grief: A Matter of the Heart
02:49 Missy Buchanan's Journey Through Grief
04:23 The Impact of Clichés in Grief
10:12 Cultural Perspectives on Grief
12:35 Rituals and Remembrance in Grief
15:22 The Sacredness of Tears and Vulnerability
18:54 The Pilgrimage of Grief: Finding Guidance
22:01 Understanding the Ongoing Journey of Grief
25:24 Building Community in Times of Grief
28:30 The Importance of Presence in Grief
34:02 Feeling Through Grief: Embracing Emotions
37:17 Rituals and Remembrance: Honoring Loved Ones
40:57 Finding Joy Amidst Grief
42:56 Resources for Healing and Connection

Reciprocity is at the Heart of Parrott Creek12 Nov 202500:55:23
Simon Fulford and Ame Mañon-Ferguson of Parrott Creek Child and Family Services chat with us about reimaging trauma healing and the expansive, gorgeous work they do for families and the 80 acres of land that surrounds their site. We were blown away by their care and intentionality with the folks they serve with and through their Cultural Ecology Project. We learn about treating all people with unconditional positive regard and about what happens when folks healing from trauma heal in an intentional community and heal with and alongside nature. Our hearts and minds were expanded by this lovely conversation.  

Cool stuff we mention on this weeks episode (or meant to anyways):


Chapters
00:00 The Power of Poetry and Introduction to Parrott Creek
01:25 Understanding Parrott Creek's Mission and History
05:35 Cultural Ecology and Land Stewardship
09:53 The Healing Power of Nature
14:36 Measuring Success Beyond Metrics
19:06 Unconditional Positive Regard and Trauma-Informed Care
23:26 Community Engagement and Restorative Justice
28:06 Finding Inspiration and Hope in Nature
32:30 Supporting Indigenous Communities and Local Initiatives
36:59 Closing Thoughts and Call to Action

Pilgrimage for Nerds with Rev. Nathan Webb19 Feb 202500:56:20
At the heart of Rev. Nathan Webb’s creative, online community is storytelling, loving connection, and curiosity. We journey with Nathan as he talks to us about the beauty and complexities of pastoring and world building in digital spaces. We delve into pilgrimage through gaming and our minds are blown by the possibilities. What can happen when a church decides to be a community of misfits doing their best to build one another up? 
Cool stuff we mention this episode (or meant to anyways): Checkpoint Church

Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Radical Sacred and Checkpoint Church
03:00 The Digital First Approach of Checkpoint Church
06:01 Nerdy Sermons and Community Engagement
08:43 The Intersection of Storytelling and Spirituality
11:19 Navigating Parenting and Media Consumption
14:11 Creating Safe Spaces in Digital Communities
16:40 The Journey of Pilgrimage in Digital Space
19:23 Experiencing Catharsis Through Gaming
22:29 Reflections on Vulnerability and Community
25:11 The Power of Shared Experiences in Digital Pilgrimages
27:49 The Impact of Digital Ministry
27:55 Engaging with New Audiences
31:28 The Question of Incarnation in Digital Spaces
38:02 Innovative Approaches to Pastoral Care
39:50 Learning from Failures in Digital Ministry
42:49 Exploring Future Possibilities in Digital Church
46:22 Curiosity and Adaptability in Spirituality
51:21 Favorite Anime and Gaming Recommendations

Walking Brigid's Way with Dr. Karen Ward12 Feb 202500:49:55
Dr. Karen Ward joins us today as we chat about Ireland’s Saint Brigid who is just as rooted in celtic folklore as she is steeped in Catholic tradition. Who was Brigid really? Karen walks us through the journey of a woman who was both the saint of poems, midwifery, Ale and blacksmithing and who was also a fire goddess. The mythology of Brigid is vast and invitational and in these troubled times we are all invited to delve into the story of a woman who became a symbol for new life springing forth in the darkness of the midwinter. As we journey through Brigid’s Path in this hopeful episode, may we each be imbibed with her spirit of resilience and transcendence and remember that we too have the eternal flame within us that can never be extinguished. 

Cool stuff we mention in this episode (or meant to anyways) 

Chapters
00:00 Introduction to St. Brigid and Dr. Karen Ward
04:41 Syncretism: Bridging Paganism and Christianity
07:35 Personal Journey: Discovering St. Brigid
15:21 The Birth of Brigid's Way: A Pilgrimage Journey
20:48 Trusting the Inner Voice on the Pilgrimage
26:34 The Journey of Faith and Pilgrimage
29:20 Preparing for Pilgrimage: Physical and Spiritual Aspects
31:57 Brigid's Wisdom in Troubling Times
39:18 The Power of Community and Shared Faith
41:22 Stories of Brigid: Lessons in Generosity and Unity

Where We’re From and What We’re Rooted In05 Feb 202500:46:10
We are in the darkness of the womb right now, in the midwinter. What are we going to birth forth? This week we talk about where we’re from and where we’re currently taking root in these uncertain times. In seasons of upheaval it helps to remember who our safe spaces are, what weird stuff the soft animal of our body loves, and how we can integrate all we’ve been with who we are and what is ours to do right now. If, like us, you find yourself wandering through the wilderness of the current moment, here are some questions we hope help tether you back to you.
  • Where am I from? (What places, spaces, and people made you, you. Celebrate them, grieve them, just be honest about your experiences.)
  • What beliefs have I emerged from that need to be set aside? (What no longer aligns with truth? What old ways of doing things do you need to shed?)
  • What is inviting you to more of you and more of grace, love and joy? (Is it nerding out about scripture or birds? Awesome, do it with all your heart and invite others into it too.We need people who are alive and in love.) 
Cool stuff we mention this episode (or meant to anyways):
Chapters
00:00 Pilgrimage and the Power of Place
01:47 Distractions on the Journey
03:27 Reintroducing Radical Sacred
07:34 The Evolution of Spirituality
10:53 Reflections on Past Beliefs
14:46 The Nature of Change in Faith
23:26 The Transformative Power of Love
25:43 Empathy and Connection in Challenging Times
27:28 Finding Joy and Community Amidst Chaos
32:50 Anchoring Spirituality in Changing Times
39:01 Embracing Authenticity and Personal Growth

The Allurement of Nature: A Spiritual Journey with Victoria Loorz29 Jan 202501:02:19
“We have lost relational language for the natural world and lost part of our own souls along with it.” -  Victoria Loorz, author of Church of the Wild Wild Church Pastor, Eco Spiritual Director, author and founder of Center for Wild Spirituality Victoria Loorz wants us to reimagine our own wildness and our interconnectedness to the earth. Victoria’s invitation to reciprocity, relational language, and choosing to belong wherever you are is a breath of fresh mountain air in these tense times. In the face of looming empire Victoria honestly talks about what we’re facing and also imbibes us with the hope that can be found when we recognize the innate and inherent value in every living being. We are grateful for Victoria, her work around rewilding, and her reminder that the earth deeply loves us. 

Cool stuff we mentioned this episode (or meant to anyways): 
Church of the Wild by Victoria Loorz
Seminary of the Wild Earth
Eco Spiritual Direction
Braiding Sweet Grass by: Robin Wall Kimmerer
Matter and Desire: An Erotic Ecology by: Andreas Weber

Chapters
00:00 The Allurement of Nature and Spiritual Connection
04:30 Journey to the Center for Wild Spirituality
09:00 Exploring the Sacred in Nature
12:55 The Role of Conversation in Spirituality
17:40 Grief, Connection, and the Presence of the Holy
21:59 Finding Belonging in Unfamiliar Places
32:36 The Spiritual Connection with Nature
38:07 Language and Worldview: Nouns vs. Verbs
44:46 The Role of Religion in Shifting Worldviews
51:01 Reciprocity in Nature and Relationships
Rooted in a Future for Good: Inauguration Episode with Neil Moseley20 Jan 202500:59:27
Neil Moseley, consultant, bird guide, and all around lovely human joins us for this Inauguration Day special. When we dig at the root of the word Inauguration we find an invitation to cast a future of our own imagining. If today feels particularly challenging to you, we want you to know that you are in good company.  This conversation invites us all to notice how we feel, admit the reality of the challenges we face, to spend time processing with our best dumb-dumbs, to check in on our neighbors, and to be attuned to our intuition. In this next Trump era we invite you to be rooted in community, allurement, and love. We get to cast the future, friends. Let’s collectively make it something beautiful for all people. 
Cool stuff we mention this episode (or meant to anyways):
Pleasure Activism by: Adrienne Maree Brown
The Three Evils of Society by MLK Jr.
Exodus 1
Spell for Grief or letting Go by: Adrienne Maree Brown 
Where to Find Neil Moseley: He cannot be found. 

As always, reach out to us if you are looking for community to process!

Chapters
00:00 A Spell for Grief: Embracing Loss and Healing
05:02 The Meaning of Inauguration: Etymology and Future
12:58 Exodus and Oppression: Lessons from History
21:13 Local Organizing: Building Community in Difficult Times
26:05 The Importance of Community Connections
30:41 Finding Joy in Simple Organizing
36:20 Nature and Spiritual Connection
41:09 Intuition and Truth in Activism
50:24 The Slow and Mysterious Work of Change
Nathan Shultz on the Wisdom of Wild Places15 Jan 202500:45:27
Nathan Schultz, founder of Path Wise Ventures, joins us today to talk about the wisdom of wild places. Raised as a missionary kid outdoors, Nathan’s journey from coporate funraising to pilgrimage leader is one of following his own interior knowing. We dive into the importance of connecting with natural spaces, of following the call of our hearts, and of embracing mystery. Nathan’s imaginative view of the world reminds us that we’d all be better off if we remembered we were friends with the trees.

Cool stuff we mentioned this episode (or meant to anyways):
Path Wise Ventures
Center for Wild Spirituality
Sometimes a Wild God - Tom Hirons
Matthew Fox
Bill Plotkin - Animist (Eco psychology)
Gilead - Marilynne Robinson
When I was the Forest - Meister Eckhart 



Chapters
00:00 Exploring John Muir's Legacy and Evolution
02:44 Nathan's Journey: From Missionary Kid to Eco-Spirituality
05:40 The Concept of Rewilding and Its Personal Impact
08:31 Walking in Reciprocity: A New Perspective on Pilgrimage
11:21 Resistance and Transformation on the Spiritual Path
13:59 Embodiment and the Journey Within
16:47 The Monotony of Pilgrimage: Finding Depth in Repetition
25:54 Nature as a Spiritual Guide
27:41 Exploring Eco-Spirituality and Healing
29:00 Encountering the Wild God
31:25 Sources of Inspiration and Wisdom
35:25 The Call for Reciprocity with Nature
36:31 Emerging from Extinction: A New Perspective
39:12 Building Communities for Sustainability
39:18 Delighting in Connection with Nature
43:00 Finding Guidance in Nature

Carl McColman Invites Us into Mystery08 Jan 202501:04:50
This week pilgrimage with us into the expansive mind of spiritual director, author, and contemplative teacher Carl McColman. Carl’s vast knowledge of mysticism, Thomas Merton, and contemplative concepts makes this a fascinating and open ended conversation. Carl walks us through four fundamental questions he journeys through as a spiritual director: 

Throughout this imaginative chat we are reminded of what is possible when we approach the world in a spirit of hospitality and carve out time for intentional silence.
  1. Who am I?
  2. Who is God?
  3. Who are we? 
  4. Who are they?
Throughout this imaginative chat we are reminded of what is possible when we approach the world in a spirit of hospitality and carve out time for intentional silence.

Cool things we mentioned this episode (or meant to anyways): 




Chapters
00:00 The Epiphany of Thomas Merton
02:54 Introducing Carl McColman
05:51 The Influence of Monastic Spirituality
08:33 The Importance of the Interior Life
11:30 The Future of Christianity and Mysticism
22:28 Understanding Mysticism
32:41 Entering Silence: Practical Steps
38:09 Embracing Silence and Solitude
40:55 The Journey of Self-Discovery
43:11 Understanding Relationships: Who Am I and Who Are They?
46:39 Saint Makers: Growth Through Conflict
48:32 Metaphors of Mysticism: Marriage and Pilgrimage
50:35 Interfaith Dialogue and Spiritual Growth
Cheers to an Enchanting New Year01 Jan 202500:34:19
Cheers to you dear listeners! Thank you for your support of Radical Sacred. This week we reminisce on all the ways the year has unfolded since our first episode of 2024 and we look towards our hopes and discuss our honest fears for 2025. Join us as we choose an intentional word as we head into this new year. Even if you’re not down with the Gregorian calendar, we recognize the beauty and potential of viewing each day as a new beginning.

Cool stuff we talked about this episode (or meant to anyways):
Radical Sacred 2024 New Year’s Episode
Rob Bell Episode
Kelly and Jess Love Story
The Enchanted Life By Sharon Blackie
A Benediction for the New Year by Sophie Strand
For a New Beginning by John O’Donohue 


Chapters
00:00 A New Year Benediction
06:33 Nature's Healing Power
12:05 Tools for Self-Reflection
17:18 Exploring Enchantment: Four Aspects of Connection
22:46 Imagination and Childhood: Rediscovering Enchantment
28:26 Embracing Creation: A New Year’s Intention
Y'all Want to See a Fresh Baby?25 Dec 202400:28:19
Quick note, we had a little issue with Jenny's audio in this episode. Apologies for the few places her audio drops out. If you have questions about what she said, or you think she said, feel free to reach out to us!

Merry Christmas from Radical Sacred! This week we went on a walk instead of having a meeting and it unexpectedly led to the delight of holding a friend's brand new baby. When we’re met with the Incarnation of God in a beautiful moment whether it be through the story of Mary’s Journey and the birth of Jesus or through holding a neighbors “fresh baby” we are reminded that God is with us and invites us into Incarnation as well. This Christmas season we invite you to listen to this episode and think about the ways you too can tap into the depth and breadth and love of Mary’s sacred heart. 

Cool things we talked about this episode (or meant to anyways): 

Chapters
00:00 Christmas Reflections and Introductions
04:24 Mary's Journey and the Magnificat
08:43 The Importance of Community and Support
13:00 The Significance of the Incarnation
16:47 Songs of the Season and New Beginnings

Winter Solstice and the Pilgrimage of the Firefly18 Dec 202400:42:39
When the seasons are changing how do we respond? This episode we talk about the light that is found when we begin to look within, the wisdom of learning to walk in the darkness, and the different ways that we can honor the changing weather and our changing humanity. Whether we call it Winter Solstice, Advent, or simply the movement from fall to winter- how are we being invited into our own depths and what will our response be? 

Cool stuff we mentioned this week (or meant to anyways): 
Find "Common Eastern Firefly" in the book "All Creation Waits: The Advent Mystery of New Beginnings
Snowy Night by Mary Oliver
Advent from a United Methodist Perspective 
Advent: In Anticipation 
Winter Solstice
To Know the Dark by: Wendell Berry
Barbara Brown Taylor


Chapters
00:00 The Life Cycle of Fireflies: A Metaphor for Transformation
05:22 The Winter Solstice: A Time for Reflection and Growth
10:54 The Beauty of the Night Sky: Nature's Wonder
16:22 The Journey of Advent: Waiting and Anticipation
21:52 Apocalyptic Texts: The Promise of New Birth
27:00 The Journey into Darkness
32:17 Disorder, Reorder, and Orientation
37:28 Finding Connection in the Dark
Kenneth McIntosh on the Reciprocity of Interspirituality05 Nov 202501:02:37
We are thrilled to welcome author, pastor, and thinker, Kenneth McIntosh to the pod! We chat about his book Oak and Lotus and how his life has been shaped by Celtic Christianity along with Buddhism. How might our spirituality shift and change in unexpected directions if we were open to new pathways? If you’ve ever been curious about interspirituality this lovely and invitational episode is for you. 

Cool stuff we mention on this week’s episode (or meant to anyways):

Chapters
00:00 Seeing Christ in Everyday Life
01:18 Introduction to Celtic Spirituality
02:16 Understanding Interspirituality
04:23 Kenneth's Spiritual Journey
12:50 Transcending Evangelicalism
16:18 Celtic and Eastern Spiritual Connections
24:49 Interspirituality and Personal Growth
32:38 Reconceiving Jesus: An Eastern Wisdom Teacher
35:34 Understanding Taoism: Flowing with the Divine
39:59 Everyday Mysticism: Trusting Intuition and Spirit
41:29 Thin Places: Encounters with the Divine
49:17 Reciprocity: Openness and Inter-Spirituality

Pilgrimage into Storytelling with Kim Powers11 Dec 202400:51:36
This was a fun and wide ranging conversation with visual artist Kim Powers! Kim shares with us the importance of storytelling and the ways that our stories can either bring us together or tear us apart. We talk about why art and beauty matters, particularly when everything feels kind of dark and the importance of finding the wholeness of all the things. Kim invites us to make room for the fullness of others, and in doing so, we also make room for the fullness of ourselves. 

Cool stuff we talked about this episode (or meant to anyways):
Chapters
00:00 The Power of Art as Sanctuary
02:39 Creative Pilgrimage and Personal Journeys
05:29 Storytelling as a Connective Tissue
08:13 The Nature of Pilgrimage
10:52 Spirituality and Creativity Intertwined
13:19 Navigating Foreign Lands in Storytelling
16:08 The Wholeness of People in Storytelling
18:55 Safety and Fear in Narrative
21:38 Creating Tension vs. Fear in Theater
24:25 The Impact of Audience Expectations
27:00 Balancing Personal and Professional Life
31:23 Re-centering and Finding Balance
32:42 Guides and Relationships
34:23 The Importance of Connection
36:13 Branching Out and Expanding Worlds
38:04 Creativity and Imagining Possibilities
39:47 Art as a Reflection of Reality
43:50 Balancing Activism and Enjoyment

Pilgrimage Can Be a Real Trip with Rev. Kerra English04 Dec 202400:43:40
We are thrilled to have Reverend Kerra English, spiritual director, retreat leader, pastor, and a no bullshit guide join us today to talk about the many pathways of pilgrimage. In this invitational and thoughtful conversation Kerra talks to us about leading with curiosity, recognizing when things need to shift, and all the ways that pilgrimage is really about opening your eyes, your heart and your mind, to the world around you. When we are invited into new ways of knowing whether it be through a conversation with a fellow traveler, or through a Psilocybin study at John’s Hopkins, we become more ourselves.

We are thankful to Kerra for her work in the world and for her new book dropping in June of 2025 True Awakening: The Highs, the Lows, and the Mess of Spiritual Transformation.

Cool stuff we talked about this episode (or meant to anyways):

Chapters
00:00 The Essence of Love and Community
03:28 Curiosity as a Spiritual Gift
08:40 Understanding Pilgrimage
13:45 Navigating the Dark Night of the Soul
18:41 The Importance of Community and Vulnerability
21:47 Guidance Through Change and Despair
24:02 The Quest for Authentic Truth
25:34 Braving the Wilderness: Spiritual Journeys
27:56 Courageous Spirituality and Personal Growth
32:34 Transformation in the Dark
35:38 Exploring Psychedelic Spirituality
38:55 Building Community and Connection
43:05 Exploring Key Themes and Insights


Keep Your Fork with Rev. Ashley Anne Sipe27 Nov 202400:48:07
This week we are thankful for this gorgeous conversation with Rev. Ashley Anne Sipe of Vista Ridge UMC! Ashley Anne walks us through her own pilgrimage which began with an honest conversation and call out from a fellow clergy woman. This thoughtful invitation is about learning to walk in our own darkness, the truly radical practice of loving all that is, and the deeply intimate connection that only comes with vulnerability. We are grateful for Ashley Anne and for her reminder in these wild times to “keep your fork cause sweeter things are coming”.
We are also grateful for you, our dear listeners! We know that this holiday season might be tricky to navigate.  A gentle reminder to take good care and keep your fork. You are not alone and you are loved deeply by the very source of love.

Cool stuff we mentioned in this episode (or meant to anyways):
https://interactioninstitute.org/the-growing-edge-2/


Chapters
00:00 The Growing Edge: A Journey of Hope
02:57 Defining Pilgrimage: A Spiritual Journey
05:54 Personal Pilgrimages: Stories of Transformation
09:07 Embracing Darkness: The Journey Within
12:02 The Monster Within: Understanding Our Shadows
14:40 Pastoral Care: A Shift in Perspective
17:53 Building Community Through Vulnerability
26:00 Embracing Vulnerability in Leadership
28:10 The Power of Mystics in Healing
30:54 Navigating Paradoxes of Faith
34:29 From Orthodoxy to Orthopraxy
38:59 The Challenge of Radical Love
39:32 Finding Hope Through Childlike Wonder
43:45 Chasing Beauty and Gratitude
Pilgrimage in the Prepositions20 Nov 202400:41:25
In this conversation we explore Phil's recent experience at Princeton, focusing on the importance of grounding oneself in nature and the significance of understanding one's purpose. We talk about the need for beauty and play in life, especially during challenging times, and the importance of creating spaces for risk-taking and personal growth. We talk about calling through the lens of prepostions: called by, called to, called with, and called away from as a bonus. 

Some of the people referenced in this episode:

Chapters00:00 Exploring Vocation and Nature
05:51 The Call: Understanding Our Purpose
11:59 Identifying What We Are Called Toward
18:00 The Importance of Beauty and Play in Life
24:06 The Power of Shared Experiences
25:33 Exploring the Concept of Calling
26:55 Biblical Figures as Guides
28:09 Understanding Ecclesiastes
30:49 Life's Meaning Through Mortality
31:43 Influential Historical Figures
32:58 The Impact of Fiction on Theology
36:40 Contemporary Influences in Faith
38:54 The Call to Stay and Serve
40:11 Finding Beauty in Change

The Journey from Fiction to Non-Fiction with Rob Bell13 Nov 202401:07:38
Rob Bell joins us today in this post election haze. His hopeful and honest insight is sooooo good. Rob talks to us about pilgrimage and books 1 and 2 of his imaginative, beautiful series - Where’d You Park Your Spaceship. We are beyond grateful to share space with this fabulous author, speaker, thinker, and artist! You can find Rob Bell’s work, including his podcast, The Robcast, on Patreon. We begin and end this episode with Mary Oliver’s poem Instructions for Living a Life.


Chapters
00:00 Navigating Post-Election Emotions
03:00 The Journey from Nonfiction to Fiction
05:38 The Art of Naming and Character Development
08:41 Exploring Female Perspectives in Storytelling
11:44 The Role of Creativity and Joy in Life
14:45 The Impact of Relationships on Personal Growth
31:34 Trusting in Abundance and Generativity
32:34 Hope in Uncertainty
33:24 Reimagining Work and Community
35:14 The Death of Mythologies
37:31 Navigating Grief and Panic
39:19 Creating Space for Presence
41:09 The Role of the Individual in Change
43:12 The Art of Noticing
44:59 The Death of Fantasy
46:44 Embracing Vulnerability
48:22 The Journey of Self-Discovery
50:25 Graciousness in the Process
52:20 The Experiment of Democracy
54:14 The Call of Water and Nature
From Scotland to Home: Bridging Pilgrimage Experiences with Rev. Alexa Eisenbarth06 Nov 202401:02:09
“One pilgrim makes a zealot, two pilgrims makes a pilgrimage” - Ted Lasso

Rev. Alexa Eisenbarth, Associate Pastor of First Olympia UMC joins us today to talk about how her own personal pilgrimage to Scotland translated to her walking with her fellow pilgrims in her home of Olympia, WA and the importance of not going it alone.
What do we learn when we go out walking long distances with others? And what can we learn from pilgrimage about the importance of rhythm, care, and rest both individually and in community? We talk about the softening that happens in true community, trees, and how our homes are just as sacred as the places we journey to. Alexa invited us into a ton of imaginative thinking and we know y’all will enjoy hearing this one!Cool stuff we mentioned this episode (or meant to anyways): 

Questions Alexa’s Group Processed while on pilgrimage that you may want to sit with in this post election time period : (from the Parish Collective)
  • What do you notice?
  • What do you avoid?
  • What’s missing?
  • What delights you?

Chapters00:00 Introduction to Pilgrimage and Community Engagement
04:38 The Experience of Pilgrimage in Scotland
10:17 The Spiritual and Emotional Aspects of Group Pilgrimage
16:33 The Enneagram Perspective on Pilgrimage
21:11 Bridging Experiences: From Scotland to Local Community
26:56 Creating Neighborhood Pilgrimages and Collective Reflection
36:01 The Power of Civic Life
38:46 Understanding Our Neighborhoods
39:58 Defining Neighborliness
42:37 The Role of Community in Education
47:21 The Significance of Trees
54:05 Navigating Political Challenges
59:58 A Call to Action

Pilgrimage Begins with The Door30 Oct 202400:30:54
An important part of pilgrimage is noticing the invitations that are all around us. Every pilgrimage begins with recognizing. What is inviting you to more of you and how can we recognize the doors that are for us. As you move through the world the next couple of weeks we wanted to give you practical advice on how to identify your own doors. Try 1 or 2 of these spiritual practices consistently and see what comes up for you in this time. 
  1. Journal for a few minutes every day. Start off simply - roses, bud, thorns. Reflect after two weeks - what are your patterns - what is helpful for you? What is perpetually harming you? Adjust accordingly.
  2. Take a walk outside in the same place every day for 2 two weeks. Don’t listen to anything but yourself. Notice what comes up.
  3. Talk to a safe friend about a time when you felt connected to your joy. Recognizing what’s bringing us joy helps us identify our doors.
  4. Are you reading something that inspires you daily? Read or listen to 5-10 minutes of music, a podcast, or nature sounds that bring you back to yourself.
  5. Remember to breathe. How is your breath today friend?  Place your hand on your heart and mindfully breathe for a few minutes. How does your body feel? Your mind? How are you a part of liberation of self and others? Part of finding our doors is being keenly aware of our place in humanity and serving others.
We conclude this episode with a blessing from John O'Donohue:
A Blessing Prayer in Difficult Times
by John O’Donohue
May you know tender shelter and healing blessing
when you are called to stand in the place of pain.
May the places of darkness within you be surprised by light.
May you be granted the wisdom to avoid false resistance and
when suffering knocks on the door of your life, may you be able to glimpse its hidden gift.
May you be able to see the fruits of suffering.
May memory bless and shelter you with the hard-earned light of past turmoil,
to remind you that you have survived before,
And though the darkness is now deep,
You will soon see approaching light.
May this give you confidence and trust.
May a window of light always surprise you.
May the grace of transfiguration heal your wounds.
The Journey to Integration using Internal Family Systems with Hillary Owen23 Oct 202401:02:27
Hillary Owen of Driftwood Healing joins us again today inviting us to journey inward as she shares about Internal Family Systems

Hillary takes a complex topic like IFS and makes it easy by using imagery and storytelling. We learn that we all have different parts that make up our Internal Family Systems. All of our parts are inherently good but not all of our parts need to have the same authority in our lives. Hillary helps us journey through the expired behavior that is no longer serving us and reclaim the freedom of wholehearted living by embracing all of our parts. 

If you are interested in working through complex issues with compassionate care contact Driftwood Healing

Things we mentioned in this episode (or meant to anyways):

Chapters00:00 Introduction to Internal Family Systems and Grief
04:26 Understanding Internal Family Systems (IFS) Therapy
09:47 The Role of Family in Internal Work
14:03 The Importance of Integration in Parts Work
18:43 Preparing for the Internal Journey
29:41 Engaging with Parts and Finding a Therapist
36:27 Navigating Spiritual Practices as a Parent
38:57 Understanding Self-Denial and Cooperation
42:10 The Role of Trauma and Mental Load in Identity
45:36 The Importance of Silence and Community
48:51 Integrating Parts Work and Enneagram Insights
53:49 Transformative Moments in Personal Growth
01:00:04 Resources for Deeper Understanding

Ty Pierce's Pilgrimage Journey on the Pacific Crest Trail16 Oct 202400:49:08
This week we are thrilled to journey alongside Ty Pierce as he shares about his Pacific Crest Trail hike. Ty walks us through how a resolution to spend 15 nights outdoors and to seek out adventure led him to quitting his corporate job, and ultimately hitting a 2,650 mile trail spanning 3 states, Mexico, and Canada with an acquaintance who would turn into a best friend. Ty’s pilgrimage on the PCT was rigorous and pain filled. It also brought him profound joy, connections to many people he met on the trail, and the knowledge that he could overcome anything by putting one foot in front of the other. Ty’s ability to so willingly respond to the pull of his heart is a fabulous invitation to trust the soft animal of our body when it invites us into our own knowing. 

Cool stuff we mentioned in this episode (or meant to anyways): 
https://www.pcta.org/

Chapters00:00 Introduction to Pilgrimage and Personal Journeys
07:33 The Decision to Hike the Pacific Crest Trail
14:44 Preparing for the Journey: Physical, Mental, and Spiritual Aspects
18:31 Surprises and Challenges on the Trail
22:06 Understanding the Pacific Crest Trail
31:32 Encounters with Nature and Other Hikers
34:47 Lessons Learned from the Pacific Crest Trail
38:10 Encouragement for Future Pilgrims
40:21 Balancing Adventure and Family Life
43:15 Final Thoughts on Kindness and Joy

Jenny's Gulf Coast Pilgrimage09 Oct 202400:33:39
Being folks who are typically more comfortable talking about things than actually doing the things, it was important to us to both take time this season to go on pilgrimages both big and small. In this episode Jenny reflects on her favorite place to pilgrimage, Galveston, TX. Jenny shares about what makes the Gulf Coast a sacred space for her and we invite folks into reflecting on their own sacred spaces. 

Going on your own pilgrimage soon and unsure of where to start? Here’s some gentle suggestions based on what helps Jenny get in the flow: 
  • Fresh journal & poetry books (Mary Oliver, Ada Limon, Ross Gay, John O’Donohue, Andrea Gibson, James Baldwin, Padraig O’Tuama are good places to start poetry wise).
  • The purpose of pilgrimage is to return to yourself. Your truest you. Questions that typically help me do that are
    • Am I betraying myself in any way? 
    • How can I better honor who I am at my core?
    • What is bringing me joy?
    • What people, places, things, am I being invited to learn from right now?
    • How am I playing a role in the liberation of all people, including myself? 
  • While spending time outside, create some nature related rituals for yourself.
    • Feeling like you need a cleansing? Go for a moonlight swim.
    • Needing to be reborn? Bury yourself in the leaves or sand and emerge.
    • Needing to feel grounded? Go for a barefoot beach walk.
    • No judgment, in creating a nature based ritual. Just do what feels right and invitational to you.
There’s no wrong way to pilgrimage! Follow the spaces and places that call to your heart.


Sacred places, spaces and tunes we mentioned this episode (or meant to anyways): 
Chapters00:00 Introduction to Pilgrimage and Personal Journey
03:18 Nature as a Pilgrimage
05:42 The Discomfort of Pilgrimage
10:14 Finding Beauty in the Journey
12:15 Listening to Our Wants and Needs
14:47 The Importance of Disruption
16:54 Reflection and Integration
18:36 Preparing for a Pilgrimage
22:32 Surprises and Lessons Learned
24:34 Defining Personal Perfection
27:40 The Healing Power of Place
29:50 Reconnecting with Our Draw
31:57 Practical Tips for Reflection
35:12 Closing Thoughts and Poetry

Jarod K. Anderson is the Cryptonaturalist29 Oct 202500:55:47
Jarod K. Anderson, poet, thinker, author, and host of the podcast Cryptonaturalist joins us this week! Jarod chats with us about nature being his church from a very young age, the beauty and invitational nature of moss, writing poetry as a way of making sense of the world, and more. This conversation is not only a breath of fresh air but an invitation back to the forests that make our very breath possible. We are so excited to share with you Jarod’s lovely poems, the ways that nature can be a balm for depression and the weariness of the world, and all the wisdom shared in this gentle, thoughtful conversation. 

Cool stuff we mention in this week’s episode (or meant to anyways): 

Chapters
00:00 The Beauty of Nature and Poetry
02:58 The Journey of a Poet
05:48 The Role of Poetry in Mental Health
08:56 Influences and Inspirations in Writing
11:35 Finding Peace in Nature
14:35 The Importance of Presence in Nature
17:07 Unexpected Encounters in Nature
18:10 The Philosophy of Mushroom Hunting
21:02 Nature as a Teacher
23:39 Reciprocity Between Nature and Self
26:56 Reconnecting with Nature
30:40 The Magic of Trees and Moss
34:07 Finding Thin Spaces
41:11 The Nature of Love
43:16 Vulnerability and Healing
51:16 Creative Projects and Future Endeavors

Pilgrimage to self, and each other, with Kelly and Jess02 Oct 202400:54:41
Krista Tippet says  “learning to love is the longest pilgrimage of our lives.” We are thrilled to welcome Kelly Slaven and Jessica Brazzeal of The Haven Wellness Center to share with us about their pilgrimage of love.

Kelly and Jess share with us about coming out, finding love with one another, and building a life that feels authentic and true to them, together. We love a good love story at Radical Sacred and Jess and Kelly's is one we can’t wait for you to hear! It can be scary to allow your life to unfold in new ways and we are grateful to Kelly and Jess for sharing their journey with us.

We start this episode off with the gorgeous poem The Invitation by Oriah Mountain Dreamer.


Chapters00:00 The Invitation to Presence and Awareness
02:47 Exploring the Concept of Pilgrimage
05:52 Navigating Identity and Relationships
09:05 Choosing Authenticity Over Comfort
12:08 The Role of Community in Personal Journeys
14:49 Finding Guides and Role Models
18:00 Spiritual Growth and Transformation
21:00 Creating Safe Spaces for Healing
23:50 The Journey of Self-Acceptance
27:14 Reflections on Parenting and Growth
30:04 The Joy of Connection and Shared Experiences
32:55 The Importance of Vulnerability in Relationships
35:48 Building a Practice Based on Values
38:51 The Power of Music and Art in Healing
42:06 Embracing Change and New Beginnings
44:46 The Journey Continues: Looking Ahead
Pilgrimage with Karen Couch - It's Your Camino25 Sep 202400:48:46
Phil and Jenny are thrilled today to speak with Karen Couch about the pilgrimage of walking the Camino de Santiago! Karen is an outdoor enthusiast, Enneagram 6,  and co-founder of Elevate Outdoor Adventures. Karen talks to us today about her passion for encouraging women in the outdoors and her experiences of being a pilgrim on the Camino de Santiago. Karen’s love for nature is rooted in her upbringing and her excitement and love for the journey is infectious. 

Here’s the cool stuff we mentioned today (or meant to anyways):


Chapters00:00 Introduction to Pilgrimage and Friendship
02:57 Karen's Journey and Connection to Nature
06:05 Empowering Women in the Outdoors
08:54 Defining Pilgrimage: A Personal Journey
11:58 The Camino Experience: Expectations vs. Reality
15:04 Building Community on the Camino
18:02 Different Routes of the Camino
20:54 Preparing for the Camino
23:58 Lessons Learned from the Camino
27:03 The Importance of Pacing and Community
30:02 Living the Lessons of the Camino in Daily Life
33:00 Final Thoughts and Reflections

The Pilgrimage of Labyrinth with Rev. Cindy Serio18 Sep 202400:49:54
This week we have their minds blown by Rev. Cindy Serio of Mosaic Spiritual Formation Ministry! Rev. Cindy walks us through the ancient, circuitous path of labyrinths. Why we walk them, how we connect to self and others through this spiritual tool, and how we can begin to view this centuries old pathway as a womb. For as many people as there are on earth, so are there ways to walk the labyrinth. Explore the pilgrimage of labyrinths further by using the Labyrinth Locator to find a route near you! 

Resources Mentioned: 
Sound Bites:
  • "Only one way in, only one way out, right? In the labyrinth."
  • "The labyrinth holds a tremendous amount of spiritual energy."
  • "The labyrinth meets you where you are."
  • "I had a reconciliation with my mother and I could breathe again because I knew then that my mother did see me."
  • "The labyrinth is a spiritual tool for some people and maybe not for others."

Chapters:
01:30 Introduction to Labyrinths and Guest Speaker
04:41 Exploring Labyrinths as Spiritual Tools
09:43 The Healing Power of Walking the Labyrinth
12:57 The Labyrinth as a Universal Language
16:57 Understanding the Difference: Labyrinth vs. Maze
24:57 Encountering the Black Madonna
26:04 Emotional Release and Reconciliation
29:48 Navigating the Labyrinth's Spiritual Tool
34:14 Preparing for a Labyrinth Walk
37:54 The Container of the Labyrinth
45:01 The Labyrinth Meets You Where You Are


Rev. Todd Seelau's Pilgrimage With and Beyond the Church11 Sep 202401:11:24
In this week's episode we have the honor of interviewing Rev. Todd Silau about pilgrimage and his unique approach to ministry. We discuss the concept of pilgrimage and how it relates to being on the move and being a stranger in a new place. We also explore the idea of deconstructed ecclesiology and the importance of being a good guest when engaging with different communities.

Todd shares his experiences of being on the road with his band and how it has shaped his understanding of pilgrimage. He emphasizes the significance of vulnerability and the role it plays in creating safe and brave spaces for meaningful conversations and generally the importance of intention, vulnerability, and creating sacred space. 

Sound Bites
  • "A pilgrim is someone on the move."
  • "When you change power structures around, it changes everything."
  • "When you're a pilgrim, you're the one that needs more grace than the place and the people that you're visiting."
References:

Chapters00:00 Introduction and Background
14:27 Defining Pilgrimage and Holy Ground
20:08 Deconstructed Ecclesiology and Being a Good Guest
27:23  The Power of Vulnerability in Ministry
30:57Companions on the Pilgrimage Journey
38:15 Mapping the Future of the Pilgrimage
41:25 The Influence of Upbringing and Church Community
48:52 Embracing New Perspectives and Taking Risks
53:08 Learning from Unexpected Teachers and Stories
56:15 The Power of Storytelling in Pilgrimage
01:03:55 Moving Forward: Next Steps in the Pilgrimage Journey
01:11:18 The Significance of the Body in Pilgrimage
01:13:46 Discovering the Gold Within: The Journey of Life

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