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Unveiling The Secret To Longevity: 1-MNA And The NAD Pathway With Courtney Van Bussum12 Sep 202401:09:24

In this episode, we dive deep into the science of longevity with Courtney Van Bussum, COO of Longevity Launch Labs. Courtney shares her insights on the NAD (Nicotinamide Adenine Dinucleotide) pathway, a critical component in the aging process and how we can leverage it for longevity optimization. We explore the fascinating molecule 1-MNA (1-Methylnicotinamide), its unique role in the body, and how it helps lower levels of the NNMT (Nicotinamide N-methyltransferase) enzyme, which is associated with various age-related diseases and metabolic disorders.

Key Topics Discussed:

  1. Introduction to the NAD Pathway:

    • Overview of the NAD pathway and its significance in cellular metabolism and aging.
    • The role of NAD+ in DNA repair, energy production, and maintaining cellular health.
  2. Understanding 1-MNA (1-Methylnicotinamide):

    • What is 1-MNA, and what is it's role in the NAD story.
    • The unique properties of 1-MNA and its potential as a longevity molecule.
  3. The NNMT Enzyme and Its Implications for Health:

    • Explanation of NNMT (Nicotinamide N-methyltransferase) and its impact on metabolic health and aging.
    • How elevated NNMT levels are linked to obesity, cancer, diabetes, and other age-related diseases.
  4. How 1-MNA Lowers NNMT Levels:

    • The mechanism by which 1-MNA reduces NNMT activity, promoting healthier aging.
    • Potential benefits of 1-MNA in reducing inflammation, improving metabolism, and supporting overall health.
  5.  How the immune system and NAD pathways are both key to longevity and health optimisation and how we can leverage and optimise both as we age. 
  6. Longevity Optimization Strategies:

    • How targeting the NAD pathway and modulating NNMT activity can be part of a comprehensive longevity strategy.
    • Practical tips for integrating 1-MNA and other NAD-boosting supplements into your daily routine.
  7. Courtney's Vision for the Future of Longevity Research:

    • Insights into the latest developments at Longevity Launch Labs.
    • The future of NAD research and its potential to revolutionize aging and healthcare.
If you want to supplement 1-MNA you can now get it in our Longevity and Anti-Aging store 

Bio

Courtney Van Bussum is a dynamic entrepreneur and business leader who currently serves as the COO of Longevity Launch Labs, a pioneering incubator focused on advancing the Cellular and Longevity Medicine sectors. With a Bachelor of Science in Biomedical Engineering from Arizona State University, Barrett Honors College, Courtney has overseen several startups in the healthcare and medical arenas ranging from fitness applications to wearable medical devices. Her early career began as a strategy consultant in Scottsdale, Arizona where she honed her skills by working with Fortune 500 companies and startups, streamlining processes and driving innovation.


In 2020, Courtney joined the Boulder Longevity Institute, where she played a crucial role in enhancing the institute's core technology and operational systems. Two years later, she co-founded Longevity Launch Labs, where she has been instrumental in building the operational frameworks that have propelled the incubator to become a key connector in the industry. Under her leadership, Longevity Launch Labs offers a range of services including product co-formulation and development, distribution, product rollout strategy, and mentorship, all aimed at supporting companies and healthcare practitioners in the rapidly evolving field of longevity medicine. Through Launch's Longevity Impact Fund, Courtney also helps early-stage startups access key capital to further development of their healthcare innovations.

Having grown up around the world of medicine, Courtney understands that changing healthcare can only be achieved through creating innovative parallel systems that improve outcomes and experience. Her visionary leadership and deep expertise make her an invaluable voice in the conversation around healthcare innovation and longevity.

  • Subscribe to our podcast for more expert insights on longevity, health optimization, and cutting-edge research.
  • Visit Longevity Launch Labs' website for more information on 1-MNA and other groundbreaking research initiatives. 
  • Connect with us on social media and share your thoughts on this episode using the hashtag #1-MNA

 

Personalised Health Optimisation Consulting with Lisa Tamati

Lisa offers solution focused coaching sessions to help you find the right answers to your challenges.



Topics Lisa can help with: 

Lisa is a Genetics Practitioner, Health Optimisation Coach, High Performance and Mindset Coach.

She is a qualified Ph360 Epigenetics coach and a clinician with The DNA Company and has done years of research into brain rehabilitation, neurodegenerative diseases and biohacking.

She has extensive knowledge on such therapies as hyperbaric oxygen,  intravenous vitamin C, sports performance, functional genomics, Thyroid, Hormones, Cancer and much more. She can assist with all functional medicine testing.

Testing Options

  • Comprehensive Thyroid testing

  • DUTCH Hormone testing

  • Adrenal Testing

  • Organic Acid Testing

  • Microbiome Testing

  • Cell Blueprint Testing

  • Epigenetics Testing

  • DNA testing

  • Basic Blood Test analysis

  • Heavy Metals 

  • Nutristat

  • Omega 3 to 6 status

and more 



Lisa and her functional medicine colleagues in the practice can help you navigate the confusing world of health and medicine .

She can also advise on the latest research and where to get help if mainstream medicine hasn't got the answers you are searching for whatever the  challenge you are facing from cancer to gut issues, from depression and anxiety, weight loss issues, from head injuries to burn out to hormone optimisation to the latest in longevity science. Book your consultation with Lisa 

 

Join our Patron program and support the show

Pushing the Limits' has been free to air for over 8 years. Providing leading edge information to anyone who needs it. But we need help on our mission. 

Please join our patron community and get exclusive member benefits (more to roll out later this year) and support this educational platform for the price of a coffee or two

You can join by going to  Lisa's Patron Community

Or if you just want to support Lisa with a "coffee" go to 

https://www.buymeacoffee.com/LisaT to donate $3

 

Lisa’s Anti-Aging and Longevity Supplements 

Lisa has spent years curating a very specialized range of exclusive longevity, health optimizing supplements from leading scientists, researchers and companies all around the world. 

This is an unprecedented collection. The stuff Lisa wanted for her family but couldn't get in NZ that’s what it’s in her range. Lisa is constantly researching and interviewing the top scientists and researchers in the world to get you the best cutting edge supplements to optimize your life.

 

Subscribe to our popular Youtube channel 

with over 600 videos, millions of views, a number of full length documentaries, and much more. You don't want to miss out on all the great content on our Lisa's youtube channel.

Youtube

 

Order Lisa's Books

Lisa has published 5 books: Running Hot, Running to Extremes, Relentless, What your oncologist isn't telling you and her latest "Thriving on the Edge" 

Check them all out at 

https://shop.lisatamati.com/collections/books

 

Perfect Amino Supplement by Dr David Minkoff

Introducing PerfectAmino

  • PerfectAmino is an amino acid supplement that is 99% utilized by the body to make protein.

  • PerfectAmino is 3-6x the protein of other sources with almost no calories.

  • 100% vegan and non-GMO.

  • The coated PerfectAmino tablets are a slightly different shape and have a natural, non-GMO, certified organic vegan coating on them so they will glide down your throat easily.

  • Fully absorbed within 20-30 minutes!

  • No other form of protein comes close to PerfectAminos


Listen to the episode with Dr Minkoff here: 

 

Use code "tamati" at checkout to get a 10% discount on any of their devices.

 

Red Light Therapy:

Lisa is a huge fan of Red Light Therapy and runs a Hyperbaric and Red Light Therapy clinic. If you are wanting to get the best products try

Flexbeam: A wearable Red Light Device

https://recharge.health/product/flexbeam-aff/?ref=A9svb6YLz79r38

 

Or Try Vielights’ advanced Photobiomodulation Devices

Vielight brain photobiomodulation devices combine electrical engineering and neuroscience.

To find out more about photobiomodulation, current studies underway and already completed and for the devices mentioned in this video go to

www.vielight.com and use code “tamati” to get 10% off

 

 

Enjoyed This Podcast?

If you did, subscribe and share it with your friends!

If you enjoyed tuning in, then leave us a review and share this with your family and friends.

Have any questions? You can contact my team through email (support@lisatamati.com) or find me on FacebookTwitterInstagram and YouTube.

For more episode updates, visit my website. You may also tune in on Apple Podcasts.



 To pushing the limits,

Lisa and team

Hormones, Brain Injuries, And Neuroinflammation With Dr. Mark Gordon Pt 205 Sep 202401:03:12

In this weeks episode, we will have the part two of Dr. Mark Gordon's episode.

Dr. Gordon continues to shed light on how hormonal imbalances can exacerbate neuroinflammation, leading to prolonged recovery and chronic symptoms. We explore the importance of testing and optimizing hormones like growth hormone, IGF-1, IGF-BP3, estrogen, testosterone, DHEA, and pregnenolone to support brain health and recovery after traumatic and non traumatic brain injuries (TBI). Additionally, we delve into how environmental toxins and viruses can trigger or worsen neuroinflammation, impacting overall neurological health.

Key Discussion Points:

1. Understanding the Role of Hormones in Brain Health
- How hormones like growth hormone, IGF-1, and IGF-BP3 are involved in brain repair and neuroprotection.
- The connection between estrogen, testosterone, DHEA, and pregnenolone in maintaining cognitive function and mood stability.
- Why hormonal imbalances are common after brain injuries and how they contribute to prolonged neuroinflammation.

2. Growth Hormone and Brain Injuries
- The role of growth hormone in promoting neurogenesis and repairing neural tissues.
- How low levels of growth hormone can impede recovery from TBI and other brain injuries.
- Dr. Gordon's approach to assessing and optimizing growth hormone levels for brain health.

3. IGF-1 and IGF-BP3: Key Players in Neuroprotection
- How IGF-1 supports brain cell survival and reduces inflammation.
- The significance of IGF-BP3 in regulating IGF-1 activity and its therapeutic potential in TBI.
- Strategies for boosting IGF-1 levels naturally and through medical intervention.

4. The Impact of Sex Hormones on Brain Function
- Estrogen's neuroprotective effects and its role in reducing neuroinflammation.
- Testosterone's influence on brain health, cognition, and emotional regulation.
- The benefits of DHEA and pregnenolone in supporting adrenal function and overall hormonal balance.

5. Environmental Toxins, Viruses, and Neuroinflammation
- How exposure to environmental toxins can trigger or exacerbate neuroinflammation.
- The role of chronic viral infections in contributing to ongoing brain inflammation and hormonal dysregulation.
- Dr. Gordon's insights into detoxification strategies and immune support for reducing neuroinflammation.

6. Testing and Optimizing Hormones for Brain Health
- The importance of comprehensive hormonal testing in individuals with TBI or chronic neuroinflammation.
- Dr. Gordon's protocol for optimizing hormone levels to support brain recovery and cognitive function.
- How to work with healthcare providers to develop a personalized hormone optimization plan.
You can find out more about Dr Mark Gordon and his work and read his research at 
https://tbihelpnow.org/

 

BIO

 

Personalised Health Optimisation Consulting with Lisa Tamati

Lisa offers solution focused coaching sessions to help you find the right answers to your challenges.



Topics Lisa can help with: 

Lisa is a Genetics Practitioner, Health Optimisation Coach, High Performance and Mindset Coach.

She is a qualified Ph360 Epigenetics coach and a clinician with The DNA Company and has done years of research into brain rehabilitation, neurodegenerative diseases and biohacking.

She has extensive knowledge on such therapies as hyperbaric oxygen,  intravenous vitamin C, sports performance, functional genomics, Thyroid, Hormones, Cancer and much more. She can assist with all functional medicine testing.

Testing Options

  • Comprehensive Thyroid testing

  • DUTCH Hormone testing

  • Adrenal Testing

  • Organic Acid Testing

  • Microbiome Testing

  • Cell Blueprint Testing

  • Epigenetics Testing

  • DNA testing

  • Basic Blood Test analysis

  • Heavy Metals 

  • Nutristat

  • Omega 3 to 6 status

and more 



Lisa and her functional medicine colleagues in the practice can help you navigate the confusing world of health and medicine .

She can also advise on the latest research and where to get help if mainstream medicine hasn't got the answers you are searching for whatever the  challenge you are facing from cancer to gut issues, from depression and anxiety, weight loss issues, from head injuries to burn out to hormone optimisation to the latest in longevity science. Book your consultation with Lisa 

 

Join our Patron program and support the show

Pushing the Limits' has been free to air for over 8 years. Providing leading edge information to anyone who needs it. But we need help on our mission. 

Please join our patron community and get exclusive member benefits (more to roll out later this year) and support this educational platform for the price of a coffee or two

You can join by going to  Lisa's Patron Community

Or if you just want to support Lisa with a "coffee" go to 

https://www.buymeacoffee.com/LisaT to donate $3

 

Lisa’s Anti-Aging and Longevity Supplements 

Lisa has spent years curating a very specialized range of exclusive longevity, health optimizing supplements from leading scientists, researchers and companies all around the world. 

This is an unprecedented collection. The stuff Lisa wanted for her family but couldn't get in NZ that’s what it’s in her range. Lisa is constantly researching and interviewing the top scientists and researchers in the world to get you the best cutting edge supplements to optimize your life.

 

Subscribe to our popular Youtube channel 

with over 600 videos, millions of views, a number of full length documentaries, and much more. You don't want to miss out on all the great content on our Lisa's youtube channel.

Youtube

 

Order Lisa's Books

Lisa has published 5 books: Running Hot, Running to Extremes, Relentless, What your oncologist isn't telling you and her latest "Thriving on the Edge" 

Check them all out at 

https://shop.lisatamati.com/collections/books

 

Perfect Amino Supplement by Dr David Minkoff

Introducing PerfectAmino

  • PerfectAmino is an amino acid supplement that is 99% utilized by the body to make protein.

  • PerfectAmino is 3-6x the protein of other sources with almost no calories.

  • 100% vegan and non-GMO.

  • The coated PerfectAmino tablets are a slightly different shape and have a natural, non-GMO, certified organic vegan coating on them so they will glide down your throat easily.

  • Fully absorbed within 20-30 minutes!

  • No other form of protein comes close to PerfectAminos


Listen to the episode with Dr Minkoff here: 

 

Use code "tamati" at checkout to get a 10% discount on any of their devices.

 

Red Light Therapy:

Lisa is a huge fan of Red Light Therapy and runs a Hyperbaric and Red Light Therapy clinic. If you are wanting to get the best products try

Flexbeam: A wearable Red Light Device

https://recharge.health/product/flexbeam-aff/?ref=A9svb6YLz79r38

 

Or Try Vielights’ advanced Photobiomodulation Devices

Vielight brain photobiomodulation devices combine electrical engineering and neuroscience.

To find out more about photobiomodulation, current studies underway and already completed and for the devices mentioned in this video go to

www.vielight.com and use code “tamati” to get 10% off

 

 

Enjoyed This Podcast?

If you did, subscribe and share it with your friends!

If you enjoyed tuning in, then leave us a review and share this with your family and friends.

Have any questions? You can contact my team through email (support@lisatamati.com) or find me on FacebookTwitterInstagram and YouTube.

For more episode updates, visit my website. You may also tune in on Apple Podcasts.



 To pushing the limits,

Lisa and team

Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy & Optimising Health With Dr Jason Han04 Jul 202401:09:27

In this week's episode I interview Dr Jason Han of Healthfit. Not only is Dr Han an incredible Physiotherapist and practitioner to the professional sports teams but he is an expert in Hyperbaric oxygen therapy and has seen first hand it's incredible impact. He shares how he got into after his mother in law suffered a traumatic brain injury and was suffering, with nothing working from a traditional medical point of view. In his desperation to help her he turned to Hyperbaric and never looked back, he then went on to use it with his athletes and his patients at his clinic.

Dr Han also shares his insights as a world class Taekwondo Athlete and what lessons he learned from his sport for daily life and his business.

Dr Han is also Head of North American Sales & Development for OneBase Health who help people effectively use hyperbaric oxygen therapy and works with Dr Scott Sherr, a world leading hyperbaric expert a previous guest on the show.
Listen to that episode here

You can reach out to Dr Han at www.onebasehealth.com 


BIO
Dr. Jason Han is a Physical Therapist specializing in Sports Rehabilitation and the CEO & Co-Founder of HealthFit, a multi-disciplinary facility in Pasadena, CA. HealthFit offers a range of services, including Physical Therapy, Chiropractic, Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy, and Red Light Therapy.

Dr. Han most recently served as the Head of Rehabilitation and Team Physical Therapist for the Los Angeles Football Club (LAFC) for their first six seasons. His extensive experience in professional sports also includes work with the NFL's Pittsburgh Steelers and Cirque du Soleil.

Currently, he is the Head of North American Sales & Development for OneBase Health, a technology and wellness company providing products such as Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy for both home and professional use.

Dr. Ha n has dedicated his life to optimizing his skills as a movement specialist and promoting health and wellness in his community. A former elite-level athlete, he was a 7-time US National Taekwondo Team member and has earned several world medals. He brings this wealth of experience into all aspects of his wellness journey.

 

 

Personalised Health Optimisation Consulting with Lisa Tamati

Lisa offers solution focused coaching sessions to help you find the right answers to your challenges.



Topics Lisa can help with: 

Lisa is a Genetics Practitioner, Health Optimisation Coach, High Performance and Mindset Coach.

She is a qualified Ph360 Epigenetics coach and a clinician with The DNA Company and has done years of research into brain rehabilitation, neurodegenerative diseases and biohacking.

She has extensive knowledge on such therapies as hyperbaric oxygen,  intravenous vitamin C, sports performance, functional genomics, Thyroid, Hormones, Cancer and much more. She can assist with all functional medicine testing.

Testing Options

  • Comprehensive Thyroid testing

  • DUTCH Hormone testing

  • Adrenal Testing

  • Organic Acid Testing

  • Microbiome Testing

  • Cell Blueprint Testing

  • Epigenetics Testing

  • DNA testing

  • Basic Blood Test analysis

  • Heavy Metals 

  • Nutristat

  • Omega 3 to 6 status

and more 



Lisa and her functional medicine colleagues in the practice can help you navigate the confusing world of health and medicine .

She can also advise on the latest research and where to get help if mainstream medicine hasn't got the answers you are searching for whatever the  challenge you are facing from cancer to gut issues, from depression and anxiety, weight loss issues, from head injuries to burn out to hormone optimisation to the latest in longevity science. Book your consultation with Lisa 

 

Join our Patron program and support the show

Pushing the Limits' has been free to air for over 8 years. Providing leading edge information to anyone who needs it. But we need help on our mission. 

Please join our patron community and get exclusive member benefits (more to roll out later this year) and support this educational platform for the price of a coffee or two

You can join by going to  Lisa's Patron Community

Or if you just want to support Lisa with a "coffee" go to 

https://www.buymeacoffee.com/LisaT to donate $3

 

Lisa’s Anti-Aging and Longevity Supplements 

Lisa has spent years curating a very specialized range of exclusive longevity, health optimizing supplements from leading scientists, researchers and companies all around the world. 

This is an unprecedented collection. The stuff Lisa wanted for her family but couldn't get in NZ that’s what it’s in her range. Lisa is constantly researching and interviewing the top scientists and researchers in the world to get you the best cutting edge supplements to optimize your life.

 

Subscribe to our popular Youtube channel 

with over 600 videos, millions of views, a number of full length documentaries, and much more. You don't want to miss out on all the great content on our Lisa's youtube channel.

Youtube

 

Order Lisa's Books

Lisa has published 5 books: Running Hot, Running to Extremes, Relentless, What your oncologist isn't telling you and her latest "Thriving on the Edge" 

Check them all out at 

https://shop.lisatamati.com/collections/books

 

Perfect Amino Supplement by Dr David Minkoff

Introducing PerfectAmino

  • PerfectAmino is an amino acid supplement that is 99% utilized by the body to make protein.

  • PerfectAmino is 3-6x the protein of other sources with almost no calories.

  • 100% vegan and non-GMO.

  • The coated PerfectAmino tablets are a slightly different shape and have a natural, non-GMO, certified organic vegan coating on them so they will glide down your throat easily.

  • Fully absorbed within 20-30 minutes!

  • No other form of protein comes close to PerfectAminos


Listen to the episode with Dr Minkoff here: 

 

Use code "tamati" at checkout to get a 10% discount on any of their devices.

 

Red Light Therapy:

Lisa is a huge fan of Red Light Therapy and runs a Hyperbaric and Red Light Therapy clinic. If you are wanting to get the best products try

Flexbeam: A wearable Red Light Device

https://recharge.health/product/flexbeam-aff/?ref=A9svb6YLz79r38

 

Or Try Vielights’ advanced Photobiomodulation Devices

Vielight brain photobiomodulation devices combine electrical engineering and neuroscience.

To find out more about photobiomodulation, current studies underway and already completed and for the devices mentioned in this video go to

www.vielight.com and use code “tamati” to get 10% off

 

 

Enjoyed This Podcast?

If you did, subscribe and share it with your friends!

If you enjoyed tuning in, then leave us a review and share this with your family and friends.

Have any questions? You can contact my team through email (support@lisatamati.com) or find me on FacebookTwitterInstagram and YouTube.

For more episode updates, visit my website. You may also tune in on Apple Podcasts.



 To pushing the limits,

Lisa and team

Fight off the Effects of Ageing Using Oxaloacetate with Alan Cash09 Jun 202201:09:12

In this episode, Alan Cash talks about oxaloacetate and the beginning of his journey in developing it as a nutritional supplement. He shares the ongoing research on oxaloacetate's benefits, especially for patients suffering from brain damage. He also dives into oxaloacetate's ability to increase muscle use before fatigue and reduce anxiety and depression levels in women experiencing PMS.

If you want to learn more about oxaloacetate's many benefits and applications, then this episode is for you!

Here are three reasons why you should listen to this episode:
  1. Learn what oxaloacetate is and how it can help slow the biological effects of ageing.
  2. Discover the numerous potential health benefits of oxaloacetate.
  3. Get to know Alan’s journey in developing and manufacturing oxaloacetate as a nutritional supplement.

 

Episode Highlights [09:36] How Alan Found Out About Oxaloacetate

Alan got sick and needed to undergo brain surgery. He found out that his pain and illness were related to ageing.

As Alan researched more about ageing, he discovered calorie restriction, wherein organisms tend to live longer when they eat less.

Increasing the ratio of Nicotinamide Adenine Dinucleotide (NAD) to NADH helps fight off ageing.

Alan started looking into biomechanical pathways and found that oxaloacetate that can change the ratio of NAD from NADH to 900% in just two minutes. He started testing oxaloacetate using worms and realised that the activated pathway was the same as calorie restriction.

[21:53] What is Oxaloacetate?

Oxaloacetate is a naturally occurring molecule in our bodies during metabolism. It exists in every cell of the body and, therefore, is non-toxic.

Oxaloacetate is considered a hot molecule right now, given how it can help moderate metabolism on a cell-by-cell basis. Increasing oxaloacetate affects metabolism, which is vital to some people.

[25:38] Patenting Oxaloacetate 

Tohoku University in Sendai, Japan, conducted research in the 1960s which found how oxaloacetate reduced fasting glucose levels in type one and type two diabetics. 

At first, Alan ran into the problem of being unable to get a patent for oxaloacetate, a naturally occurring compound in the human body. He persevered and eventually was able to own patent rights based on how oxaloacetate can maintain its stable form of enol-oxaloacetate. 

After rigorous testing, their products now have a shelf life of two to three years or more.

[31:00] Oxaloacetate and the Warburg Effect

Oxaloacetate is a potential drug for brain cancer such as glioblastoma. It also has the potential to reverse the Warburg effect, in which fermented glucose turns into lactate that a tumour feeds off.

Giving Oxaloacetate to cancer cells changes the cancer metabolism cell by cell. There’s a specific dosage where cancer cells stop reproducing.

[38:03] Oxaloacetate and Glutamate

Glutamate is a compound that fires off the neutrons in the brain. Excessive glutamate excites the neurons until they die, a process known as excitotoxicity. Many studies describe how we may reduce the risk of excitotoxicity. 

Alan is looking into cognition through clinical trials with Alzheimer’s disease patients. The study showed how oxaloacetate reduced glutamate levels. In the same clinical trial, they also found how oxaloacetate increased the amount of glucose the brain can take in.

The brain can take in more glucose due to the signalling protein PGC-1 Alpha enabling the production of more mitochondria.

[38:03] Oxaloacetate Can Improve Muscle Use

Oxaloacetate also improves muscle use by 10% more before it goes into fatigue. 10% is a significant improvement for both top-end athletes and daily living.

Alan has done a clinical trial that showed a 25% to 30% drop in fatigue levels within six weeks, even for people with chronic fatigue syndrome or ME/CFS for up to 30 years. NF-κB turns on genes that release a cytokine storm, which at high levels can lead to chronic inflammation seen in arthritis or long COVID patients.

Animal models show that oxaloacetate led to a reduction of NF-κB’s translocation to the nucleus by 70%, which turns off the cytokine storm. 

People experiencing chronic fatigue can benefit from oxaloacetate’s mechanism of producing new mitochondria. 

[51:34] Increase Focus and Attention Using Oxaloacetate

In animal models, oxaloacetate turns on the mechanism to increase the number of neurons in the brain and increase the length of the axons, the little tendrils that connect neurons.

Alan did a critical trial on the effect of oxaloacetate on premenstrual syndrome (PMS), wherein he found a 50% drop in anxiety, depression and suicide ideation.

Drugs have an immediate pharmacological effect. Another is the genomic effect with a cumulative property that takes about a month or more to see.

Even after getting better from your illnesses, keep the ball rolling and don’t stop intaking your medicine and supplements.

7 Powerful Quotes

‘We could see when we gave the oxaloacetate to them if they live longer, or if they didn't, so we could eliminate what were the critical genes. And, we were able to follow along with a pathway, and it turned out to be the exact same pathway as calorie restriction, which is really exciting.’

‘First of all, is oxaloacetate toxic? Well, it turns out it's a human molecule. It's in metabolism. It's in practically every cell of your body.’

‘Experiment and see what works and understanding some of these mechanisms is really important because then we can actually start to connect the dots of cells.’

‘The reality is most people are not going to have the perfect diet, not going to be in a perfect environment, can't maybe even afford to have great food, or organic food, or all of these things that restrict us from having the ideal.’

‘None of us are going to know what's around the corner for us but, if we can be in that preventative space and be understanding this more and more, then that is to me the most fascinating conversation we can have.’

‘What happens then is that they stop all their protocol, and the thing that they were doing and, “Now I'm fixed. I don't need it anymore.” And I'm like, “Hang on a minute, you don't drop the ball now. You're already underway. You got to stay underway. You got to keep it going.”’

‘You want that cumulative, and those epigenetic changes, and those long term changes.’

Resources About Alan

Alan Cash is a physicist, biologist and geologist. He's also a professional entrepreneur and the CEO and Founder of Terra Biological LLC and MetVital, Inc. 

Alan is also the clinical trials supervisor and medical researcher. He’s currently pursuing the advancement and development of nutritional supplements containing oxaloacetate, which is known as a caloric-restriction mimetic compound. His research has brought profound breakthroughs addressing cognitive decline and anti-aging.

If you want to reach out, you may connect with Alan via LinkedIn.

Personalised Health Optimisation Consulting with Lisa Tamati

Lisa offers solution focused coaching sessions to help you find the right answers to your challenges.



Topics Lisa can help with: 

Lisa is a Genetics Practitioner, Health Optimisation Coach, High Performance and Mindset Coach.

She is a qualified Ph360 Epigenetics coach and a clinician with The DNA Company and has done years of research into brain rehabilitation, neurodegenerative diseases and biohacking.

She has extensive knowledge on such therapies as hyperbaric oxygen,  intravenous vitamin C, sports performance, functional genomics, Thyroid, Hormones, Cancer and much more. She can assist with all functional medicine testing.

Testing Options

  • Comprehensive Thyroid testing

  • DUTCH Hormone testing

  • Adrenal Testing

  • Organic Acid Testing

  • Microbiome Testing

  • Cell Blueprint Testing

  • Epigenetics Testing

  • DNA testing

  • Basic Blood Test analysis

  • Heavy Metals 

  • Nutristat

  • Omega 3 to 6 status

and more 



Lisa and her functional medicine colleagues in the practice can help you navigate the confusing world of health and medicine .

She can also advise on the latest research and where to get help if mainstream medicine hasn't got the answers you are searching for whatever the  challenge you are facing from cancer to gut issues, from depression and anxiety, weight loss issues, from head injuries to burn out to hormone optimisation to the latest in longevity science. Book your consultation with Lisa 

 

Join our Patron program and support the show

Pushing the Limits' has been free to air for over 8 years. Providing leading edge information to anyone who needs it. But we need help on our mission. 

Please join our patron community and get exclusive member benefits (more to roll out later this year) and support this educational platform for the price of a coffee or two

You can join by going to  Lisa's Patron Community

Or if you just want to support Lisa with a "coffee" go to 

https://www.buymeacoffee.com/LisaT to donate $3

 

Lisa’s Anti-Aging and Longevity Supplements 

Lisa has spent years curating a very specialized range of exclusive longevity, health optimizing supplements from leading scientists, researchers and companies all around the world. 

This is an unprecedented collection. The stuff Lisa wanted for her family but couldn't get in NZ that’s what it’s in her range. Lisa is constantly researching and interviewing the top scientists and researchers in the world to get you the best cutting edge supplements to optimize your life.

 

Subscribe to our popular Youtube channel 

with over 600 videos, millions of views, a number of full length documentaries, and much more. You don't want to miss out on all the great content on our Lisa's youtube channel.

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The Search for the Perfect Protein and Why So Many of Us Are Deficient07 Jun 202201:23:28

We are regularly exposed to toxic heavy metals, from uranium used in war weapons to lead in our food, burning coal and even vaccines. Exposure to these toxins leads to a lot of fatal diseases, such as cancer. How does our detox system flush them out, and what is the role of amino acids in it?

Dr David Minkoff joins us in this episode to explain how heavy metals harm us and how to detoxify our bodies. He also talks about the role heavy metals play in the formation of cancer, the importance of amino acids in our body and why not all proteins are created equal.

If you want to know more about the science behind heavy metal detoxing amino acids and protein, then this episode is for you. 

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Here are three reasons why you should listen to the full episode:
  1. You will learn about heavy metal detoxing and safe ways to do it.
  2. Discover how environmental influences and toxins lead to cancer.
  3. Learn more about the impacts of being deficient in amino acids in protein.

 

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Episode Highlights [06:28] How Dr Minkoff's Story Started
  • Dr Minkoff did triathlons and was interested in performance and health. 
  • His wife, a nurse, investigated the mercury in the amalgam fillings in her teeth. 
  • Mercury is volatile and is liquid at room temperature. It is very toxic and can make you sick when aerosolised.
  • Dr Minkoff's wife went to a dentist to get her fillings removed. The mercury aerosolised, and she began showing symptoms of mercury toxicity.
  • His neighbour practised natural dentistry and referred him to a doctor in Seattle. After undergoing the advised detoxification protocols, his wife got better.
[17:32] How Can We Get Ourselves Detoxified?
  • The body keeps an electrical balance.
  • If you want to detoxify, the mineral balance in your body has to be good.
  • The body will hold on to toxic metals and will not detoxify well if there is magnesium, zinc and selenium depletion.
  • The amino acid levels in your blood should also be good because all detox systems are based on amino acids.
  • If the liver is not healthy, a chelator or binder might move the heavy metal to another critical organ, such as the brain.
[22:14] What Are Safe Ways to Get Detoxified?
  • Chlorella is a good chelator. It helps bind the mercury in food and has nutritional contents such as chlorophyll. 
  • Activated charcoal is a binder you can use as a substitute for chlorella.
[24:53] How Does Heavy Metal Exposure Lead to Cancer?
  • A healthy cell makes energy by taking oxygen and food into the mitochondria. It extracts energy from food and produces energy molecules (ATP) for the survival of the cell.
  • When drugs, chemicals or infections get into the mitochondria, it cannot use oxygen to make energy.
  • When a cell makes energy anaerobically, it generates only minimal amounts of ATP. In this case, the cell will either die or transform. 
  • Growth factor genes are turned on to get a lot of sugar into the cell and make lots of ATP. 
  • Anti-cancer strategies are working on blocking transport or utilisation of sugar in the cell.
[33:01] What Can We Do to Prevent Cancer?
  • Cells turn cancerous due to heavy metal and toxin exposure, as well as poor food practices.
  • Consuming ‘clean’ or organic food is essential.
  • Vitamin D is the best anti-cancer drug.
  • Sunlight hitting the body will activate vitamin D.
  • Glyphosate, a herbicide, blocks the process of conversion needed to activate vitamin D.
[38:20] What’s Vitamin D Got to Do with Cancer?
  • Vitamin D functions for immunity. It is more of a hormone than a vitamin.
  • High levels of vitamin D lowers the risk of multiple sclerosis, cancer, osteoporosis and hypertension.
  • Vitamin D is not the be-all and end-all of cancer prevention. Low levels of selenium, vitamin A, zinc and amino acid can also cause cancer.
  • When you get enough nutrition, you have more resilience against toxic factors.
[41:11] What Is the Importance of Amino Acids in Protein?
  • Our bodies are made up of macronutrients: carbohydrates, fats and proteins. 
  • Amino acids are the basic unit of proteins, and they are made up of nitrogen.
  • There are 22 amino acids in the body, eight of which are essential. It means the body cannot produce them, so you need to obtain them from your diet.
  • Almost everybody has low levels of amino acids. A lack of amino acids will result in a lack of protein.
  • Specific body processes cannot work if there is an amino acid deficiency. Listen to the full episode to learn how it affects body repair, weight loss, immunity and athletic performance!
[1:05:11] Why Are Acid Blockers Harmful?
  • Pepsin is an enzyme in the stomach that initiates protein digestion. The stomach needs to be very acidic to activate pepsin.
  • If a drug blocks stomach acid production, the pepsin won’t be activated.
  • You won't get the benefit from the proteins you are eating and absorb key minerals if you can’t digest protein.
  • Stomach acid also kills the bacteria in the food we eat, especially raw food.
  • If bacteria in food doesn't get killed in the stomach, small intestinal bacterial overgrowth can occur.
  • Listen to the full episode for more information on how you can improve your health amid the heavy metals in our environment!

 

7 Powerful Quotes from This Episode

‘The search for the perfect protein was really my search for what is the perfect thing that works better than meat and fish and eggs by a factor of at least three to six times that you could take as a supplement’.

‘Medicine is not the answer. Lifestyle’s the answer. That's nutrition, and it's what you said. It's sleep, and it's relationships, and it's good nutrition, and it's organic food, and it's sunshine, and it's finding what makes you happy and the purpose. Without those things, you drugs aren't going to fix you’.

‘I think we do need appropriate supplementation, good organic food and good exercise. Good sleep patterns — all those basic things that we often also neglect to have a healthy human’.

‘You've got a bleeding ulcer? Okay, take the acid blocker. Your stomach heals. But then figure out what happened — was it an infection — or what was wrong and get off of it because long-term, it's bad for you’.

‘The more we buy the things that aren't good for us, the more we support the industries that are doing things that aren't good for us’.

‘You're going to pay. You're just choosing to pay later and down the track with worse consequences, or you're paying to be preventative. You're paying for good health’.

‘You have to be able to orient your life toward nutrition and supplementation and detoxification and healthy living’.

 

About Dr Minkoff

In 1995, Dr David Minkoff’s wife became ill. Not accepting her physicians’ ‘We really can’t help her except for symptomatic medication’ conclusion, Dr Minkoff and his wife went on a search to find the actual underlying cause of her condition. This led him out of his emergency medicine practice and into complementary and alternative medicine to find the answers. 

In the process, he gained expertise in fields like anti-aging medicine, integrative cancer care, Lyme disease treatment, hormone replacement therapy, functional medicine, energy medicine, homeopathy and optimum nutrition.

The answers he found were soon in demand when others learned of his wife’s return to good health. In response to this, he and his wife, Sue Minkoff, RN, established LifeWorks Wellness Center in 1997. 

It quickly became one of the largest comprehensive complementary and alternative medicine clinics in the US. The demand for the products and protocols he discovered became a catalyst for founding BodyHealth.com, a nutrition company that manufactures and distributes these cutting-edge solutions.

Dr Minkoff is a doctor of complementary and alternative medicine, a board-certified pediatrician and an Infectious Disease fellow. He also is an avid athlete himself and has completed 43 Ironman Triathlons. Dr Minkoff has helped many pro athletes improve their performance. He tries to set an example for others so that they can enjoy a life free of pain and full of energy.

If you want to learn more about Dr Minkoff and his work on proteins, you may visit his website

 

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Welcome to Pushing the Limits, the show that helps you reach your full potential with your host Lisa Tamati, brought to you by lisatamati.com.

Lisa Timati: Hello, everyone, and welcome to Pushing the Limits. This week I have a fabulous interview. Gosh, it was great. It was a long one. And it's a really, really good one, with Dr David Minkoff, who is just an absolute legend. He is the author of the book The Search for the Perfect Protein. And this is all about amino acids, how your body utilises proteins, why you're probably protein deficient, all the diseases and ailments that it can help with and getting the right combination and explains just stuff that would absolutely blow your mind. It's an amazing book that's really changed the way I look at amino acids for sure and integrating them in my life.

Now, Dr Minkoff is also the founder of the LifeWorks Wellness Centre. He has a huge practice in Florida, in the USA, with over 50 staff, and he does complementary and alternative medicine. And he's an expert who has worked with many of the world's top athletes. He is himself a finisher of 43 Ironmans, including eight Hawaiian Ironmans. He is, I think, 70 years old or— and he’s still doing Ironmans. He's got another one coming up in a couple of weeks. So just an incredible man, both from an athletic point of view and from a medical point of view and is an author and speaker on these really important topics. 

In the show we get into heavy metal detoxing, we get into the science behind dealing with cancer, we look at amino acids, we look at toxic environment and we look at the state of our medical world, all of these issues we get into with this really in-depth conversation. So, I hope you do enjoy it.

Before we head over to Dr Minkoff, just want to remind you, please give us a rating and review on the show, if you haven't already. And make sure you subscribe. You can always reach out to me at lisa@lisatimati.com, if you've got any questions that come up from these episodes, or you want some advice on a certain topic around what we've been discussing, then please reach out to us. And give us a feedback on the podcast as well.

And if you enjoy the content, please share it with your friends and family. It's only through networks and people—ground level movements are people sharing good information—that we can get this sort of stuff out into the world, this great information that we'd love to share. 

Finally, I just want to let you know I'm taking on a small number of clients on one-on-one at the moment with consulting around health with that right mindset, if you've got a health journey that you're on, if you're struggling, if you need help navigating your health, then please reach out to me. I have a huge knowledge base and a huge network of people that I can see you to.

If you're needing help, and you can't work out, if you've got a medical problem where you can't work it out in the normal system and you don't know where to turn to please knock on our door, we might be able to help you. Obviously got a huge background in brain injuries, but also in biohacking in general and health optimisation as well as the whole mindset piece of the puzzle which I love sharing and teaching as well. 

So, I work with only a very few people at a time because I like to be able to invest time with people and my brain gets occupied with just a few cases, because I tend to go off and if I don't know something, I will go and find it. So, I don't profess to know everything in the world, but I usually know someone who does. So, if you want to work with me, then please reach out. 

And the last thing also we are holding every week a webinar either it's on epigenetics one week in on it and the second week it will be on our running programs and how to increase your running speed, how to improve your performance, how to do all that without avoiding injuries and burnout. So, if you want to join us for our webinars for the epigenetics webinar, go to epigenetics.lisatimati.com. That's epigenetics.lisatamati.com and register there for the free webinar. It'll be on a Tuesday in New Zealand time 12:30 and the alternate weeks we're doing it at the same time Tuesday 12:30 New Zealand time for our running masterclass, how to run faster, longer be stronger without burnout and injuries. 

So, without further ado, over to the show with Dr David Minkoff.

Lisa: Welcome to the show everybody. I am super excited. I'm jumping out of my skin. I've got Dr David Minkoff, who is one of my role models and heroes, and I'm finally got him on my show. And I'm very, very excited to have you, Dr David. 

You're sitting in Florida, and you are an Ironman athlete. Let's start there for starters. You've done 43 Ironmans and you're about to do your 44th. And you've actually been to New Zealand, we just discussed your time in New Zealand and it rained a lot, unfortunately.

Dr David Minkoff: The cold was worse than the rain. 

Lisa: The cold. Yes. Lake Taupo, for example, can be very, very cold, the water’s just absolutely freezing. But yes. 

So, Dr Dr Minkoff, you have an amazing reputation and you’ve recently written a book called The Search for the Perfect Protein, that for me was an absolute game changer and a real eye opener. And something—as an athlete, I think, unfortunately, I've sort of finished my competitive career now. But if I'd known that information 20 years ago, oh my gosh, what could I've done? Sort of information. So, I'm really, really keen to share a little bit about the book and your background. 

But let's start firstly with your story, your life story. You were an emergency physician. Can you pick up the story there and just tell us how you got into what you're actually doing now?

Dr David: Yes, so I didn't really—I was doing triathlons and I was interested in performance and health. But it was sort of a crude viewpoint. My wife's a nurse, and she was always investigating things. And one of the things that she investigated was that she had a lot of mercury amalgam fillings in her teeth. And she learned that the mercury is volatile. Mercury at room temperature is a liquid. Like no other metal is a liquid at room temperature. Like lava, you got to heat it up to a couple thousand degrees, but mercury boils at only 110 degrees Fahrenheit. So hot cup of coffee or soup would be like 140, 150, 160. And it's an amalgam. 

So, what they do is they take liquid mercury, and they add to a zinc, silver, copper. And so, it's—the things aren't really amalgamated together. They're separate things that bond. So, if you add heat, Mercury can aerosolise if it's hot, and it will come off. And there are lots of studies in, they put fillings in sheep, and just with their chewing, the mercury gets volatile and it gets in the air and they swallow it, they breathe it. And then they sacrifice them three months later, and they find the Mercury's in their kidneys, it’s in their brain, and it's all over the place. 

And Mercury is very toxic. You took one amalgam filling, so, it's about a half a gram of mercury. And you put it in a 10-acre lake, like you grounded up real fine so that you dissolved it in a 10-acre lake. And the natural resources guy came, the Fish and Wildlife Association came to test the levels of mercury in the water. They would put a fish advisory on it, like you can't eat the fish in that lake, the Mercury concentration’s too high because it would be toxic to humans. 

Lisa: And that's one filling. 

Dr David: So, one filling in 10 acres. 

Lisa: It’s equivalent to one filling. 

Dr David: Now the square meters of a body is maybe one square meter, it's not very—one and a half. It isn't very much. So, you get these things coming off constantly. And the more you have, the more load you will get, and they can make you sick. 

So, she decided that she wanted to get them out. And this was back in the middle 90s, and the dentist that she went to wasn't really proficient in doing this. And he said, ‘Sure, I'll take him out’, and he takes a high-speed drill, and he drills him out and he aerosolises it all over the place with no protection for her. And it went all over the place. 

Now, subsequent to that, she'd started to feel bad. She got problems with her thyroid and problems with her liver and the doctors who saw her thought that she was at some kind of an autoimmune condition. But they didn't associate it with mercury. I didn't either. And they just thought, they didn't know what to do with her. She's a nurse. She's smart. She's a triathlete as well. And then eventually, it got to the point where one day she woke up and she had trouble lifting her arm, and her glute muscle was weak. And it looked like she had some neurological involvement. One of the doctors thought, ‘Well, maybe this is a mess’. And we didn't know what to do.

She's a nurse and she has a home healthcare nursing business. And next door, a guy moved in. And the marquee said, ‘Natural Dentistry’. And one day when I was going to pick her up from work, he was walking out of his office to his car, and I stopped him and I introduced myself. And I asked him, ‘What is natural dentistry’? And he said, ‘Well, we're dentists that believe that the mouth is actually part of the body’. It's not a separate thing. And that you shouldn't do things in the mouth that you wouldn't do any place else. He says, ‘For example, you'd never use mercury in a wound yet’, or for a while there used to have this stuff called mercurial, which was mercury liquid, but they found that the mercury—if you were putting it on a wound, it's a good disinfectant but it also will get you mercury toxic. They used to put thimerosal, which is ethyl mercury in your contact lens solutions. 

Lisa: Oh, my God!

Dr David: But they took it out because they found that you could put this stuff in your eyes, and you could get toxic from the mercury that's in the solution. So, he said, ‘We wouldn't do that’. And then he told me about some other things, and I said, ‘Well listen to this story’. So, I tell him her story. And he says, ‘Oh, she's mercury toxic’? 

Lisa: Oh, well...

Dr David: And he said, ‘There’s no one in this town that's going to help you because nobody knows about this, or they're just not aware of it. But there's a doctor in Seattle, and he trains doctors in diagnosing and treating this with a natural kind of approach’. 

So, I flew to Seattle, I spent some time with him, I learned his methodology. And I came back and tested her and she indeed was mercury toxic. And I did the protocols that he taught me, and she got better. 

Lisa: Wow. 

Dr David: Over four or five months, she got better and her symptoms went away. She was fine. 

Lisa: No MS, no all the other things started to disappear when she started to—So what are the some of the... 

Dr David: Wait Let me just look. Let me just take it one more step. 

So, then we had friends that were sort of watching this whole thing happen. And they said, ‘You know, I've got migraine headaches, and I've got rheumatoid arthritis, and I've got all cervical, I've got that. Will you help me’?

The emergency room work is shift work. So, it's a seven in the morning till seven at night or seven at night to seven in the morning, three days a week, maybe four. And I had some time and she had an extra office in her nursing business. And so, I said, ‘I'll be there Thursday afternoon, why don't you come in? I've got a success of one. I'm not sure I know what I'm doing. This will be—we'll just play, we'll just see what happens’.

Anyway, it started to work. And pretty soon it was I was being inundated when we renovated a space next to her office, 3000 square feet and we set up shop as a natural medicine clinic and I got out of the emergency room. And we got to be very busy with all these kinds of things. 

Lisa: Wow. 

Dr David: Oh, that was 1997. And here, 20 years later, now we have a huge clinic, lots of bright, 50 staff and people come from all over the world for—most of its chronic medical problems. They have cancer or Lyme disease or chronic fatigue or MS or Parkinson's or—they've been around the block. Many doctors, no solutions. So that's mostly what we do now.  Occasionally, I saw a couple professional football players today but mostly it's... 

Lisa: It's very sick people. So, I just wish you went down the road from where I live and I can come and get the help that... Because your approach—I mean, I've listened to everything that you've got out there and your approach just resonates completely with me. You've gone into the function where natural medicines and you're dealing with people with chronic diseases. 

So, just following on now from the mercury story and how you helped your wife and then onwards. Heavy metals are a big problem in our world, aren't they? How do we get exposure? Okay, amalgams obviously in fillings, but I don't think people understand that there's mercury, cadmium, arsenic, thallium—goodness knows what else. There's lots of things that we can be... 

Dr David: Lead, aluminum. 

Lisa: Lead, aluminum, yes. We're being exposed to toxins and heavy metals, 24/7, and now horrible environment that we're creating for ourselves and our modern world. And our bodies just weren't made for this. were they? 

Dr David: That’s right. That's right. I mean, you look at Fukushima, the amount of—I mean uranium is a heavy metal to heavy, it's one of the heaviest metals. So, you got scads of this released into the ocean and into the air, it flows around. When the Iraq War was going on, they used uranium depleted warheads because they were making tanks that regular warheads wouldn't penetrate. 

But if you put a depleted uranium warhead on that missile, when that thing hit the tank, the temperatures were so hot that it would penetrate the tank. And so there was— I don't know how many, thousands and thousands of pounds of these things were scattered all over Iraq through two wars, which released a lot of uranium and a fair number of—I know, at least American soldiers started getting heavy metal toxicity and when they were tested, they had high levels of uranium in their body. 

So, it is all over and we have sort of dumped this onto the planet, leaded gasoline on the planet for 50 or 60 years saturated the countryside. So, vegetables grown have high lead levels, and it's in the ocean. So, most fish have lots of mercury. And we—our bodies are exposed to it. And we absorb it, we breathe it, cold burning produces a lot of mercury, unless it's filtered right. Some vaccines still have mercury. 

Lisa: Do they still have mercury in them? In the time when they’re sold? 

Dr David: Yes! So... 

Lisa: Yes. And we're giving this to our children and we’re wondering why the heck they've got autism and ADHD and cancers and things that can be a knock on. It's very hard to correlate this but I heard in one of your talks, you were talking, I think, back when you're a young doctor, there was like 1 in 250,000 kids had autism or some great number. And now it was like 1 in 40 or something ridiculous. 

We're doing something massively wrong in our environment. And we seem to just bumble along as if everything's fine. And yet, we've got all these chronic diseases that are knock offs, or knock-ons from all of these things and the toxicity that we're involved with. 

So how can we—if we're looking at the heavy metal situation, if we don't have access to you, because we don't live in America, and we can't come to Florida, which is a real shame. How do we get ourselves detoxified from some of these heavy metals? Or how can we test for it? 

Dr David: So I think, to detox someone from heavy metals, it's really important that you make sure that they're in a position where they can be detoxified. So, the body tries to keep electrical balance, you have to have as many negatives as you have positives. 

Many people are mineral depleted, they don't have enough magnesium, or zinc, or selenium. Okay? And so those are all positively charged metals, like its mercury and lead. And if you get someone who's depleted in these things, and then you try to detoxify them, some of the things that are holding on, that the body's holding on to, will be the bad heavy metals, if it doesn't have the good minerals in those places. And so, the body doesn't detoxify very well when you try to pull it off when it's mineral depleted. So, you have to make sure that they're mineral good. You have to make sure that their gut is good, they're not full of parasites, and mercury, and yeast, and bad digestion. And because then they have a hard time. 

They have to make sure that their amino acid levels in their blood are okay because if they're not okay, all the detox systems are based on amino acids. And so, if you don't have that sort of ready and waiting, you can get into trouble. You can try to move a metal, which the body is stuck somewhere that it feels is relatively safe. It's in the fat somewhere. It's at the periphery of an organ, and it isn't really causing toxicity. 

But then if you give a binder, like a chelator, when these things bind heavy metals, and you pull it off of there. And it gets to the person's liver and the livers already overloaded with the plastics and the Tylenol and the rest of the stuff they’re taking... 

Lisa: Yes, the crap we’re taking. 

Dr David: It won't move it out. And it will circulate around and it can end up someplace worse. 

Lisa: Like your brain or your heart.

Dr David: Like I had a patient here not too long ago, she went to a doctor. He did a test on heavy metals for her, she was indeed very high in lead. But he didn't understand that you have to set them up—their hormones, their gut, their nutrients have to be sufficient so that you can detoxify them, and she wasn't set up. And so he put her in an IV room and he gave her an IV medicine, which will bind lead. And she ended up pretty much—I don't know if you have that expression in New Zealand — she's a bag lady. Like she wears earphones, she listened to religious music, she carried two paper bags around, and she was really like, totally out of it. 

And she had been one of the most successful realtors in the area. And she turned into someone that couldn't even really take care of herself, talks to herself, and she was—her brain, the lead in her bones got transferred to her brain. 

Lisa: Oh my gosh. 

Dr David: And it took us a couple years to get her to the point where we could get the lead out of her brain and that she could actually wake up and get normal. But it was a medical error at the original time. 

Lisa: And this is very, a dangerous—like because it would be EDTA IV, wouldn't it?

Dr David: Right. Right. 

Lisa: Because I've got a case. So, my mum who had an aneurysm four years ago, and I've rehabilitated her back from massive brain injury to being now completely normal. And I've written a book on it, called Relentless, which I'll send you a copy of. And one of the things that I identified was mercury poisoning. And I've been too scared, though, to go and get EDTA chelation in her case because she's a 79-year-old with fatty liver disease, kidney. 

So, for someone like, who doesn't have a doctor who is a real expert in the area, to do something like this, I can sit her body up the best I can with the right vitamins and the right minerals, and selenium and zinc and things and vitamin Ds and all of those things that are have here on. Is there any—and vitamin C is a big player. 

Is there anything that I can give her without—obviously, you don't want to do something like that and cause a really, a big detox reaction. And with someone who's fragile should say, is there a safe way of doing it? 

Dr David: An easy thing, chlorella is a pretty good chelator.

Lisa: Oh, brilliant. I had her on that. 

Dr David: Chlorella. So, you could add like, three, four capsules of chlorella with each meal. 

Lisa: Wow. Okay. 

Dr David: It will help find the mercury that's in the food. And it's not really absorbed. And the chlorophyll in there is good for her and you can just start to tease it out with that 

Lisa: Very smart.

Dr David: There is a product called Metal-Free—I have a nutrition company—that we make, it's called Metal-Free. It's very safe, it's natural. It's a spray. So, you can start with a little bit, and in someone like her, start with just one spray underneath her tongue once a day. Do it for a week or 10 days, she's doing okay, she’s not getting sick with it, she's tolerating it. Okay, you could go to two sprays. And you could just tease it up, where it's done slowly, over six to 12 months. You can use that with the chlorella. You can get her to get the heavy metal start coming out. And that's very workable, and a lot of people do that.

Lisa: What about activated charcoal? Is it another good chelator? Or is it... 

Dr David: Charcoal? It would be a substitute for chlorella. It's a binder. 

Lisa: It’s one or the other.

Dr David: Yes, I think the chlorella is better because there is some nutritional content. Charcoal just binds sort of randomly everything. Whereas with chlorella...

Lisa: Yes, you can get mineral deficiencies too if you have too much of, say activated charcoal, couldn't you? 

Dr David: Right. 

Lisa: Yes. Okay, that's a really good sort of framework. And I'll link to Dr Minkoff’s website, everyone, so it's bodyhealth.com. And I'll put that in the show notes in the links to those particular products, because I think, you know, there'll be good, safe ways for people who don't have access to a doctor that can do it really safely to start to detoxify themselves. 

So, I wanted to move now a little bit. So that's some heavy metal and we touched on it pretty briefly, but it's a major, major problem in—when we're looking at lots of other diseases, the heavy metal can have a massive impact can’t it? So things like MS or Parkinson's or cancers. I heard in one of your interviews saying, on Ben Greenfield's podcasts, many of the cancer patients that you see or most of them have a heavy metal problem, and there's probably a correlation there. 

Is it, if we move the discussion towards cancer, would that be one of the first places that you would look for a cancer patient?

Dr David: What happens with cancer and this, this has been known since the 1920s and 30s— a German doctor named Otto Warburg was looking at the biochemistry of what makes a cancer cell different than a healthy cell, or what causes a cancer cell to transform—I mean, a healthy cell to transform into a cancer cell. 

And what he discovered is that a healthy cell makes energy by taking the oxygen that you breathe, which eventually gets to the cell and the food that you eat. And those two things go into the little factory in the cell called the mitochondria. And the cell is able to extract the energy from the food and make ATP, which is the energy product particle. And then the cell can live, it can do its job, it can get in nutrients, it can get rid of toxins, it can make proteins, depending on what its job is. 

Because the impact of toxins and infections are around us all the time, and now they're at levels that are unheard of. And I think 80 something thousand chemicals in the environment, which have never been tested for safety, and heavy metals, and many people are on many different kinds of medications, which are just different kinds of toxins, really. I mean, an emergency someone might need a medicine, but there’s a long-term solution to a health problem, it's really  not the best way to go.

Lisa: Absolutely. 

Dr David: And so there are lot of environmental influences, which can—when those drugs or chemicals or infections get into the mitochondria in the cell, lock that mitochondria from being able to use oxygen and food to make energy. And that cell then, when it can't make ATP in enough quantity because when you use oxygen, it can make 38 of these energy particles, each go around. It can also make energy not using oxygen. So that's called anaerobic metabolism,

Lisa: It’s the fermentation, yes.

Dr David: No oxygen. It’s fermentation. You only make two ATPs. It can't live on two ATPs. So, it's got to change it either is going to die or it's going to change. And then if it changes... 

Lisa: Does it turn on the oncogenes?

Dr David: It turns, yes, and I don't even really think they're oncogenes. These are normal genes that in a foetus make one cell into a 100 trillion in a full adult. They’re your growth factor genes. They're blood vessel factor genes. And they turn on in an adult person, they're supposed to be on, but they get turned on because this cell now needs lots, and it's the preferred fuel for that cell ends up being sugar. And so, it needs to get a lot of sugar because if it can only make two ATPs on every go around, it's got to be able to get way more sugar in that cell in order to get enough ATP so that it can live. And that's what cancer is.

Lisa: And this is why people with cancer then have these cravings for sugar. And lose a lot of weight very quickly because they're not able to produce and they’re extremely fatigued. 

Dr David: Well, they have a very high need for sugar, they have a very high need for sugar. And one of the strategies—the anti-cancer strategies—is to not give them any sugar. Because our own cells could use fat, they can use proteins, but cancer cells prefer sugar. 

So, there's a standard medical test done for cancer patients, which is to give them—it’s what is called a PET scan. And the PET scan is sugar IV. Sugar has a radioactive label on it and you can see where does the sugar go. And if let's say a woman's got a breast cancer, the normal cells are eating one unit of sugar and the breast cancer cells are using 25 units of sugar. So, the PET scan shows a 25 where the lump is and it shows a one in the arm, in the brain, and the other breast, or in the kidney, where there's no cancer, because this thing is so rapidly using the sugar that it sucks it up. Well, sometimes that's five times, sometimes it's 10 times, sometimes it's 20 times. The more aggressive the cancer, the higher the metabolism, and the higher the reading on the PET scan. So that tells you what the cancers do and what it's eating. 

And then anti-cancer strategies have to be to figure out, can we block that guy from getting sugar or utilising sugar because otherwise it's going to use it and it's going to replicate it, it's going to make more of itself. And then you really you... 

Lisa: And I've just done a series actually on in vitamin C, with a number of researchers and scientists, doctors, around intravenous vitamin C. Because I recently had a case with my father who unfortunately passed away in July, with sepsis and I was battling to get intravenous vitamin C for him in the ICU, and I was unable to, they wouldn't let me. Unfortunately. I did win in the end, but by then the sepsis was multiple organ failure and too little too late.

And so, I'm on a bit of a crusade now to get that changed and in support the doctors and scientists that are screaming from the rooftops that we should be using vitamin C, not only for sepsis, but also for things like COVID, there's lots of studies going on, in cancer. 

And one of the researchers that I had on last two weeks ago, Professor Margreet Vissers, she has done a lot of study around cancer, vitamin C. And getting the vitamin C—the molecule of vitamin C is very similar to glucose, so the cancer cells can take it up and thinking it's glucose. And if we can get the levels—I think the levels were from memory 350 to 400 micromolar—it can get in there and it can actually kill the cancer cell. Don't quote me on those numbers, people, but listen to the episodes. But it can also stop the tumour growth, the health sector from being switched on that turns that gene off so that the tumour can’t develop its own blood supply. So, I know that that's a really, really powerful intervention for cancers. It's not the obviously the only one. 

Keto diet is another, as we mentioned, starving the cancer cells off from the glucose and having that in combination with things like vitamin C. What else is—so that cancers are tuning on these cancer genes, if you like, or these cells are turning cancerous, probably because of our environment, probably because of heavy metals, toxins, bad foods, our food practices, all of these things are making kids a little sort of skyrocket, what can we do to prevent ourselves? I mean, vitamin C is obviously one that I'm big on as a prevention. What else can we do? We can do the heavy metal detoxing in a controlled manner as we spoke about. What else can we do for cancer prevention? Because I'm always about the prevention side.

Dr David: Okay. So, I mean, clean food, organic, super important. The actual best anti-cancer drug is vitamin D. 

Lisa: Vitamin D? 

Dr David: Yes, there are lots of studies that show that people who have a blood level of vitamin D, between 70 and 90, have half the rates of cancer that people have low vitamin D level, there's no known drug, or medical intervention, or anything known that is that effective. 

So, if someone's listening to this, and you don't know what your blood level of vitamin D is, you should go to your doctor or your laboratory and you should get a blood level vitamin D. The levels in America run 30 to 100 is considered normal. In the studies that have been done, if the level is between 70 and 90, in America, for the average person, that means that they're going to be taking about 10,000 units a day of vitamin D3

Lisa: Wow, that's a lot. That's high. Okay, there's no toxicity with that sort of a level of vitamin D? 

Dr David: Well, you have to measure it. I mean, at that level, that's the average person that I see. If I put them on 5000, they're running in the 40s. If I put them out on ten thousand, they're running in the, I want them 70 to 90-ish. If they're 65, I'll leave them alone. If they're 95, it's fine. 

It's very interesting, because the way you're supposed to get vitamin D isn’t to take it with a capsule, you’re supposed to get it from sunlight. And sunlight hitting the body will convert the molecule into vitamin D and that's how we're supposed to get it. Unfortunately, now, and I think the reason is glyphosate on the planet? 

So I'm in Florida, there's 300 days a year of sunshine, we're in a subtropical climate. So, the sun is high enough for most of the year, where the sun should be effective at converting our bodies to make vitamin D. I have tested vitamin D levels, and every patient I have seen for the last 20 years, except for one person, and she was using a tanning bed every day, except for one person, everyone else had a sub therapeutic level of vitamin D. And we’re in Florida, and there's sunshine. Now some people wear sunscreen and then the vitamin D doesn't get converted. But a lot of people don't wear sunscreen and the vitamin D does convert. 

Now my own example. So, I am about 12 hours a week outside in the sun unprotected. I swim in an outdoor pool at noon. I ride my bike a lot. I'm outside. And I run a lot, usually without a shirt if it's warm and shorts, so I'm exposed. My vitamin D level unsupplemented is 34.

Lisa: Wow, that's shocking.

Dr David: I have to take 12,500 units every day to keep my level—last time I did it, it was 84. Now this is my theory on this: is this herbicide glyphosate roundup... 

Lisa: Hmm, horrible. 

Dr David: ...is so prevalent around the world. Something like three quarters of the rain samples will show glyphosate. I have measured thousands of patients for urine levels of glyphosate. I've never tested anyone who is negative for glyphosate. 

Lisa: Gosh. That’s shocking. 

Dr David: Like never. It’s in our food, it's in our water. We're getting it. And one of the side effects of glyphosate is it blocks the conversion of the sun's ability to produce active vitamin D. And I think that's at least one of the factors that's causing this problem because there's an epidemic of low vitamin D.

Lisa: And vitamin D is so important for your immune system, for your bone health, for hormones, for so many—I think there's no 700 processes in the body or something that it's responsible for. And here's me like I take 5000 IU a day and I'm thinking, I'm really good. And I study functional genomics, when I've discovered that in my genes, for example, because I'm of Maori descent, so native descent, my father was Maori, I have a slightly darker skin tone. I need more vitamin C because my transporters don't do their job very well and I don't get a lot of receptors. So I've been aware of this problem, and I'm taking 5000, bump up. I haven't actually gone and got it tested, I'm probably still deficient, given... And that's someone who's already on vitamin D. So that's a bit of an eye opener. And so how does—what is the mechanism? Why is cancer vitamin D, why is vitamin D so important for cancer?

Dr David: You said, it’s immune function, it's more of a hormone than it is vitamin. It's lots of different things that are really important. And they just noticed this association of cancer incidence versus vitamin D and the people at high levels, they had much less MS and less cancer, and less osteoporosis and less hypertension. So it's really important, it's a single nutrient. Now, there's lots of things that if you're if your selenium level’s low, if your vitamin A level’s low, I mean, these are all things, zinc level’s low, these are all things that are super important. You have low amino acid levels, it’s important in cancer. So it isn't a one-thing thing. But these are things that are measurable. 

Like a vitamin D blood test is maybe 25 bucks, it's not expensive. I mean, these are things that regular doctors can order. And, of course, guys who were doing functional medicine or functional nutrition, they can order it. And so—and everyone, we see—I order panels of all this stuff, because you find it virtually everybody isn't getting enough nutrition from the diet that they eat to keep them healthy and well nourished. And they're in a toxic environment where you need more of this stuff, not less. And then if you can normalise these things, then the person is going to have more resilience to this huge toxic factor that we're all living in.

Lisa: Yes, this horrible suit that we're stuck in.

So I wanted to transition now over into your book, The Search for the Perfect Protein because I think this is a good segway coming. Because I didn't understand like, as an athlete, I used to always, and I've done 70,000 kilometres in my lifetime. I've run pretty much every desert there is on the planet, I've done horrific things to my body. And I will always be taking branched-chain amino acids and they certainly helped my performance. 

But I'm now starting to understand after reading your book, that they aren't the whole picture. And they are only three of the essential amino acids. And I've got PerfectAmino coming, hopefully today to my house, and I'm super excited because I know I'm protein deficient. I feel that I'm constantly anaemic even I have a good diet and I do everything right. And I know a lot of the athletes and a lot of the woman especially that I work with have are fighting these sorts of battles as well. 

Can you tell us what is an amino acid? Why is this absolutely crucial knowledge that people have and why they need to go and buy your book for starters? But what we need to understand about amino acids story?

Dr David: Okay. So if you look at nutrients, there's three things that are called macronutrients, the big ones, okay. There's carbohydrates, and fats, and proteins. Now, all of them are made out of three things, carbon and hydrogen and oxygen. Amino acid, amino in Greek means nitrogen. So amino acids make up protein. So proteins have nitrogen, but carbohydrates and fats don't have nitrogen. Okay? 

Now, an amino acid if you think of it, if we use an analogy, like language. So in the English language, there's 26 letters. And you could arrange those letters in different sequences and different lengths to make words. And so, in English language, I don't know, there's 350 or 400,000 words, okay. Some of them are very short, like one letter, like ‘I’ or ‘A’, one letter, some of them are really long. 

In amino acid chemistry, the alphabet is these things called amino acids. There's 22 of them, roughly. And so they are carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, plus, they have nitrogen, so they're called amino acids. And if you put them in different lengths and sequences, you get proteins. By definition a protein has to have 30 or more amino acids in a chain. There is a hormone in the body, which is just one amino acid, tyrosine. And if you put iodine on there, you get thyroid hormone. So thyroid hormone is made out of amino acid.

Lisa: Wow, tyrosine and iodine.

Dr David: With three to four iodines attached and that’s thyroid 

Lisa: Okay, T3, T4. Okay. 

Dr David: T3, T4, okay. Glutathione is a well-known antioxidant detoxifier, has three amino acids. So, the body puts those three in the right order, and it makes glutathione. 

Lisa: Wow. Super interesting. 

Dr David: It gets more complex. Insulin has—I think, I forgot—89 amino acids. And growth hormone has—I don't know—something hundred, hundred and 20 amino acids. So, the sequence of the 22 amino acids has to be just right or it doesn't make the same thing. Every insulin has the same sequence. The skeletal muscle is made up of two proteins. One's called actin, and one's called myosin. Actin has 5600 amino acids per one actin fibre. 

Lisa: Wow. 

Dr David: So if your body wants to make muscle fibre, you work out, you tear it. 

Lisa: That’s a lot of protein. 

Dr David: It takes 8600 of these amino acids to make one fibre. 

Lisa: Wow. In the right combination?

Dr David:  In the right combination. So most of us—so I got injured. I was training for Ironman, and I injured my hamstring. And at the time, I was a vegetarian. Now vegetarians are on low protein diets by definition. They're not eating meat, fish and eggs, that's where the major proteins are that we take in. And beans don't cut it. So, I didn't know this. I'm just a doctor. And I'm a young triathlete. But I think I'm doing the right thing.

So I get injured, and I can't figure out how I can get it healed. I injected it and massaged it and chiropractored it  and I did heat treatments and I did everything. Wouldn't get better. And I had a friend who had an amino acid mixture. And he said, ‘Try these’, he was in Europe and he got these things. And he said, ‘Try these’. And I tried those for six weeks, and my hamstring healed, they actually healed. I could do go to a track, do hardcore miles, no pain. And about three months later, I went to Canada and I did Ironman Canada, and I had my best time ever. And I thought, ‘Holy smokes, this stuff is really, something's happening in my body, that's good’. 

I noticed a couple other things to my maximum heart rate went up by 12 points. I could hit 176 on a real hot day going up a real steep hill on a bike. And I could hit 176 and it went to one 184. So I got a change, I got a physiologic change and improvement. So, I started playing with these amino acids. And I started measuring levels of amino acids in the clinic of patients that I was seeing. And what I found is that almost everybody had low levels of amino acids than what they should. Especially these things called essential amino acids.

Now, eight of the amino acids are called essential because the body can't make them, you got to get them in the food that you eat or in the supplementation. From those eight, you can make the other 14. So, if you don't get the eight, you don't make proteins because all the proteins have the essential amino acids. And if you're low in one or two or three, you're not going to make the protein 

Lisa: The whole thing doesn’t work.  

Dr David: It doesn't work. And the proteins turn over, they're always being rebuilt remodelled, because through our life there’s stressors. All the enzymes in the body that make energy and detoxified are proteins, they're made out of amino acids. And so, if the body isn't getting enough, there are 50,000 proteins in the body that need to be made all the time. And if you don't have enough coming in, the body is going to say, ‘I'm going to fix this tendon, but I'm going to let the immune system sag’, or ‘I'm going to fix this, whatever, and I'm going to I'm going to let the bones go because bones are made out of collagen, which is a protein, and I'm going to repair something else’. 

And so, the gut lining is supposed to get a new layer every three or four days. But if there's a shortage, it might be, ‘Let's put that off’. So, it's every six or seven days, or eight or nine days, or a person gets a—they get an overuse injury. And then it's weeks before it heals instead of, ‘Why isn't it healed in a couple of days, it should be able to heal up’. So, it's because there's a deficiency of amino acids. And so all these patients had deficiencies of amino acids. 

And so, we put together this formula called ‘PerfectAmino’, it's eight essential amino acids. And it's in a very specific blend. 

Lisa: And that’s key. 

Dr David: So that when you take the amino acids, your body utilises it 99%, utilises it to make body protein. So, there are thousands of athletes, or post-op patients, or pregnant or nursing patients, where you give them these supplemental amino acids and the body just starts to work better, it heals better, it performs better, immunity is better, osteoporosis gets better. And you can make a huge difference. 

So, the search for the perfect protein was really my search for what is the perfect thing that works better than meat and fish and eggs by a factor of at least three to six times that you could take as a supplement. Nobody wants to eat pills as their meal. So, you eat good food, and you eat animal proteins. And if you're a vegetarian, you don't want to eat animal proteins, then you need to take more essential amino acids, more PerfectAmino, because the amount of amino of essential amino acids in vegetable foods is low. And they just aren't good enough to really keep somebody nourished. 

I have tested thousands of vegans and vegetarians on their amino acid levels. They look terrible. A lot of these people are tired. They don't feel well, but they feel like the healthy thing to do is don't eat meat. Fine, I have no argument with that. But then you gotta make sure that you're getting the stuff you need so your body doesn't suffer. And PerfectAmino is vegan, it's kosher. So, like anybody with a list of, ‘It's got to fit these things’, they can take it because it's a safe, clean product. 

Lisa: And the amazing thing that I didn't understand was that when we’re looking at foods and saying, ‘Well, we'll get our protein from our food’, say, a whey protein drink or a piece of steak or a fish. You see, in your talks, I heard—whey protein you’re actually only using around 16%, as actual protein gets integrated into the body and the rest gets used and tuned into either carbohydrates. And actually, if you're trying to keep your weight down or anything like that, I’ve got lots of friends who are trying to do low carb diets, and then you taking a steak, and not realising that part of that steak will turn into carbohydrates. 

So, a steak was I think 33%, and fish was around the same and in eggs were quite high with a 48%, and breastmilk was the best at 49% that actually gets utilised. Yes, utilised in the body as a protein. And I was like, ‘Wow, so half of what I'm eating is not actually being used in the right way’. And when I looked at spirulina, because I'm very big on spirulina, and I've been, ‘Oh, it's got almost 64% protein’, and then realising that actually, you're only using a tiny portion of it. Not to say that spirulina is bad because there's lots of great reasons to take spirulina, but protein source, it’s not the optimum. 

And then the other interesting thing that I found is—just hopping back to my mum story, she's got fatty liver disease and some kidney issues. So, I've got her on a very low protein diet. And I've been concerned about what her ability to recover and do all the things that her body needs some protein when I've got her on a low, mostly vegetarian diet. 

Now I'm excited to get the PerfectAmino because I had to have a low protein diet with her because she can't process nitrogen. Nitrogen, for listeners, is the protein, it takes the nitrogen off and then it has to be processed in the liver and to urea and then excreted in the kidneys. Now if you've got liver or kidney problems, you can't get the urea out of the system. And of course, that leads to problems where you've got too much nitrogen, which is a toxin, and you can get gout and so on and worse things. 

So, this is a really good thing for people who have kidney disease, for people who are on dialysis, for people who have fatty liver disease or alcoholic liver or anything where it's impaired these detox processes and you can’t take your proteins, this is a way to get those proteins without the nitrogen problem.

Dr David: Exactly, exactly. And then so you can meet their protein needs with virtually no calories because this stuff has practically no calories. 10 grams is only four calories. 

So, if you're a dieter or, you know, if you're—let's say, we're going to go super lean, we're going to do low calorie, and still a chicken breast is going to be 250, 300 calories, or beef steak. Whereas you can get more protein and 10 tablets of PerfectAmino or two scoops, it comes as a powder too. And it's only four calories. 

And so, you can meet your protein needs, but you don't deplete yourself, and you don't get the calories. So, for dieting, it's good for your mum. It's perfect because see, immune wise, these immune proteins are made out of proteins. And if you're depleted, it may mean lack of immunity and a lot of these people that have chronic illness with kidneys or livers, they're susceptible to infection. And when you put them on low protein diets, their gut, they get a leaky gut, and they leak bacteria and they get infections. And then they have low immune proteins in their blood and they can get really sick, they can get sepsis, they can really get sick, they can get skin breakdown. So, mouth ulcers, lots of stuff. 

So, this is something that can be used by, virtually all sick people are amino acid deficient. I mean, 100%, I don't care what's, whether you've got cancer or Parkinson's or chronic fatigue, you have low amino acids. If you're an athlete, you most likely have low amino acids and your performance will increase. We've had lots of super high elite level athletes that are taking this thing now. And I just tell people, if you're an athlete and you're trying to get performance, the guys that are beating you on PerfectAmino.

Lisa: And you've had this case in the Tour de France. So I heard that story with the guys that were on the PerfectAmino we're not breaking down like the guys because after 21 days of an extreme amount of exercise, you're smashing the crap out of your body. And at the end, they were turning out to be stronger than they had gone into the competition with these aminos, and I'm like, ‘Ah, damn, why didn't I have that during my competitive career’? It was good to have branched-chain, but it wasn't really the best option out there. 

Dr David: Well, see, with branched-chains, of the eight essential amino acids, three of them are called branched-chain. So that's just their structure. But if you take branch-chains—see, every protein in the body has all eight essential amino acids. So, if you're trying to build or expand your protein, or recover your protein, if you're taking the three, you're not getting all eight, and it won't work. So branched-chain amino acids act like a carbohydrate, you might as well eat a banana.

Lisa: Oh, wow.

Dr David: Now what I've been finding, so I'm doing an Ironman in two weeks, and I have this company called BodyHealth, so we make an electrolyte. So, it's a mixture of sodium, it's got high potassium, it's got zinc, and magnesium and trace minerals, and we put two grams per serving of PerfectAmino in there. 

So, I'm putting my 22-ounce water bottles, when I go out and bike, 22 ounces of water, I put two scoops in the electrolytes, that's four grams of amino acids. And I put a scoop of the regular PerfectAmino, which is another five grams. And I'm drinking a bottle every hour or two, depending on the heat. 

And I tell you that it's a performance increaser recovery. And then, it keeps your mind clear because having these amino acids trickle in, just gives your body a message that there's plenty available, you can work it hard, you don't have—there's no deficiency. And I find it just really makes a huge difference to use doses that are higher than what we used to recommend, but it actually works better. 

Lisa: So, because someone like me, who's done like 25 years of extreme endurance sports, and really smashed my body, damaged my kidneys, constant problems with anaemia, and now I have really a problem with my exercise tolerance has gone down massively, in the last four years, I've had lots of stress as well, with sick parents and so on. 

But is there a way back? Is there a way to build that resilience that I used to have through—like, I have a very good diet, I have very good supplementation or constantly learning but doing well on all those points, and yet the exercise tolerance is still very low at the moment. 

So, where I used to be go out and be able to run 200 kilometres, now a 5k run is quite a mission. Is there a way back for me, do you think? I should book an appointment with you, but just look from an athlete's point of view, will this help with exercise tolerance, as well as the recovery?

Dr David: See your mitochondria are not, they’re not producing? Every disease condition too—it's a power failure.

Lisa: Yes, someone pulled the plug. 

Dr David: The bulbs are, you got a 10-watt bulb in a room that needs a 100-watt bulb. And as long as there's daylight coming in from the outside, and you could read, you could see with a 10-watt bulb, but when it gets dark, you can't read, you can't see. And these mitochondria, they’re not making ATP. 

And so while they used to be able to crank out ATP, I don't think it's at this point that their structure is so damaged, that they can't be recovered. I think they need some help, like some diagnostic help, like what are the actual issues? What are the mineral imbalances? What are the hormones doing? What shape is your gut in? Do you have parasites? Are there heavy metals? What are your amino acid levels? Like you have to do sort of a like where is the problem coming from? What is the weak link that's causing this mitochondria to not be able to produce energy? 

And so, we do a thing where we actually do a test of mitochondrial function, we measure the VO2 max and we measure what their actual metabolism is, and you can say, ‘Wow, this guy can't do it’. You take someone with chronic fatigue and their anaerobic threshold. So that's where they can no longer have enough oxygen coming in to keep up with what It's needed and they start producing lactic acid. Their anaerobic threshold consists of sitting up in bed, they just hit their anaerobic threshold. Like they can't walk to the bathroom because it's too much. 

And then you take somebody like yourself, you could run 200 kilometres. And you never were at anaerobic threshold, and you were moving pretty darn fast, with tremendous amount of energy being produced. And I don't think the machine is broken, I just think the machine has been stressed and it needs a rebuild process. And that you could do it, and some of its amino acids, and some of its hormonal, and some of its, there's a lot of tricks now to be able to, like, ‘How can we get this thing moving so that we can get the performance back up’? And then when the performance goes back up, it’s like, ‘Here, I’m back’. 

Lisa: It’s like, ‘Oh my God’. Yes. And then, I've been working on my own issues while I'm learning all these other things and rehabilitating my mum, and I've learned a lot, and I'm certainly a lot better. But there's a couple of pieces of the puzzle missing. So that's why I'm super excited about the PerfectAmino part of the story. And I'll report back to you on how they had to fix me because I'm damn sure that there's a protein deficiency going on. If I look at my whole entire history, there's always been a problem. 

And getting off my case now, but just looking at the whole gut health situation, this is where it was really an eye opener for me too. You see that the gut lining is only one self-second, it replaces itself every three, four, five days. But some people it's taking up to 10 days. And this leads to leaky gas with a zonulin and the tight junctions are getting too loose and leading protein and in bacteria and things through into the bloodstream, which is causing systemic inflammation and problems everywhere. And it becomes a bit of a catch 22 isn't it? When you don't have enough amino acids, you can't make new gut cells. But then if you don't have a good gut, then you can’t absorb the protein, and it sort of becomes a vicious cycle. So this is a way to break that cycle. And... 

Dr David: I mean, these things, we've measured this, you take a dose of 10 grams of amino acids and you start measuring blood levels amino acids in 23 minutes, this stuff’s in your bloodstream, almost irregardless of what your gut health is like. Like it gets in, it gets through. 

Lisa: Even with the gap absorption issues and working with a patient with celiac, for example, at the moment, whose got a lot of gut issues and so even for someone like that...

Dr David: You may have to start them easy, work them up.

Lisa: Yes, we're going to go to 30 grams a day straight off.

Dr David: Don’t go 30 grams straight off. But you can get them—but it starts the repair process. And then they can, nobody's healthy without a good gut. And hardly anybody's got a good gut. So it's always a critical piece of the puzzle to get people where they're not bloated and they don't have heartburn and they don't have constipation, they don't have diarrhea, and they wake up in the morning and they've got a flat belly that feels good. And you got to get that person there with things that you're familiar with, with probiotics and digestive enzymes and PerfectAmino, and these things. And in most people, you can heal up. 

Lisa: You can fix it. The digestive enzyme piece of the puzzle. Is there any danger with digestive enzymes? I heard your story about Kelley William Donalds, the enzyme? 

Dr David: Yes, those are over the top strong. 

Lisa: So, digestive enzymes. Do you have a digestive enzyme product in your line?

Dr David: Yes, yes, we call it Full Spectrum Digest. And it's, it's a really good product. It's like a digestive enzymes or some hydrochloric acid in it. The tolerance level on it is almost everybody can take it without a problem. The ones I was experimenting with, they're really strong.

Lisa: Right and that was for cancer prevention. Yes. And looking, which was interesting research, actually. But so okay. So you're looking at those two sides of the puzzle. And people as they get older, we produce this stomach acid. And then there are billions of people on 59:50 bloemen acid blockers. And that's a real problem that's causing all these gut issues and then it becomes the next pill to fix, the next thing. So polypharmacy sort of situations that people get into. 

So this is a way out now taking acid blockers, why are they bad? Or well, bad, long term?

Dr David: Well, the enzyme in the stomach, it starts protein digestion, requires an acid to be active. So it's called pepsin. And if the pH of the stomach, so pH is a measure of acidity, one is the most acid, 14 is the least acid. So 14 is alkaline, 7 is water in the middle. So, in order for the pepsin in the stomach to activate, it requires a pH in the stomach of one to two. So that's very acid. 

Pepsin is the beginning process of breaking down the proteins that you eat. So you eat a chicken breast. So the actin fibres in that chicken muscle have 5600 amino acids in a chain. Now, your intestine will not accept that, it's too big. It will only accept it if it's chopped into little teeny individual amino acids. So if you don't break actin fibre down into 5600 individual amino acids, your body can't utilise that protein, it can't get it in. 

So if you give someone a drug, which doesn't allow them to produce stomach acid—no, so now the level of acid in the stomach is seven, it's water. The pepsin doesn't get activated. The first step in protein digestion doesn't occur. And so you don't get the benefit of the proteins that you're eating. The other side of it is in order to absorb minerals, magnesium, zinc, selenium, you need an acid stomach. And if you don't have an acid stomach, you don't get absorption and key minerals. So we find 80% of the patients that we test, they have magnesium deficiency, many of potassium on a cellular level deficiency and zinc deficiency, and selenium. So, these are key things. 

The other problem when you block stomach acid, the food that we eat is not sterile. Nobody boils their food until it's sterile before they eat it. We eat raw food or fruits, we eat raw vegetables, there's bacteria in there, there’re parasites in there. And you eat that stuff. And if the mechanism of the body to protect itself from bacteria in food is that there's acid in the stomach, and it kills bacteria. If you don't have acid in your stomach, you eat that broccoli raw, or the tomato. Or you went to a restaurant you had a salad but right before they chopped up the lettuce, they had a raw piece of fish on the thing that they were slicing up and he didn't really wipe off the cutting board very well. And then he puts his lettuce on there, he’s chopping it up. And so, there's some parasites in that lettuce, there's some amoebas, or something in there, and you eat that. And it doesn't get killed in your stomach, which is supposed to happen and it gets in your small intestine. There's a worldwide epidemic now, what's called SIBO, it's all intestinal bacterial overgrowth. Well, where those bacteria come from? They came from your food. Why did they get through? Because you have no stomach acid. 

Lisa: Oh my gosh. So it becomes a vicious cycle. 

Dr David: Dogs can eat anything because they have humongous levels of stomach acid. And so, they could go and eat out of puddles and eat all this stuff because they have a protection.

Lisa: So by blocking it, we’re actually causing way more—and that the good and the reflex, a reflex is actually not enough essence, not too much isn't it? So, and as we get older, we produce this betaine or HCl betaine. So, we need to be looking at our levels of stomach acids and enzymes. So pancreatic enzymes are lipases and proteases as well, all of the things that break down. 

And so having a supplementation of good enzymes, and a good combination, in combination with the PerfectAmino, I think is a really a golden sort of—and then add on a few... And people might say, ‘Well, isn't there just a whole lot of supplementation? And can I just, you know, eat my normal food like we did back in the day’? And the answer is, I don't think we can because the world isn't a complete mess and we are not living as we did 200 years ago and how our ancestors had good food and no glyphosate and they had good organic meats and they didn't have this toxic influx of exhaust fumes and paint fumes and furniture, off gassing, and all of these things that are adding to the load that the modern day human has to deal with. 

And so therefore, I think we do need appropriate supplementation, good organic food, and good exercise, good sleep patterns, good—all those basic things that we often also neglect to have a healthy human. And this is why we've got massive chronic disease now that we shouldn't be having. And the wonders of modern medicine so that they can keep us alive with great surgeries and great—but on what status so many people are in a hell of a hell of a mess. 

And they just get one pill after another. When you go to the doctor often and this is not everybody, thank goodness there’s some amazing functional doctors out there, like yourself. But often you go and you get stomach acid because you've got Gerd or you get a blood pressure medication or just one pharmacy thing after the other. And this whole model seems to be skew with, doesn't it?

Dr David: Yes, it's totally skewed. 

Lisa: It’s totally out of balance. Yes. Skewed is a good word.

Dr David: You know, sometimes in emergencies, they can save somebody's life. But in a long-term solution, it's not workable. And so, American healthcare is the most expensive in the world. And yet we're 29th in the world in overall health. Medicine is not the answer, lifestyle is the answer. 

And so, if that's nutrition, and it's what you said. It's sleep, and it's relationships, and it's good nutrition, and it's organic food, and it's sunshine, and it's finding what makes you happy, and the purpose. And without those things, you drugs aren't going to fix you. They're never the right answer to it. 

Like I said, in an emergency, it might be needed. You've got a bleeding ulcer, okay, take the acid blocker until your stomach heals. But then figure out what happened, what is an infection or what was wrong? And get off of it because it's long term, it's bad for you. These drugs are associated with gastric cancer because they're bad for you. And they shouldn't be used that way.

Lisa: And across the board, aren’t they? Just like everything, like antidepressants to our vaccinations to—these are all things that yes they may have some good things, but they're just given out like lollies, it would say, and the damage that we're doing is huge in its societal perspective, we really got some major problems. I mean, look at the whole contraceptive and I might go into that, but the damage that has been done to our whole fertility and woman's health and in so on, all of these areas.

And so, in our little way, I hope that this conversation, these open conversations and the sharing, what I love about my podcast is that I get to meet amazing people doing incredible work and just help you get that message just a little bit further, for a little bit more people. And it is basically one by one by one we’ll slowly be able to change. 

And if we vote—I heard you say in one of your talks was that we vote with it with our dollar—if we start demanding food that’s not packaged in plastics all the time, if we start buying more organic, and start avoiding the things that are bad for our planet, and voting with our dollar then we're going to contribute to the solution because everything is dollar driven, unfortunately. It's a reality of our world. So, we need to actually change, each one of us add to that conversation.

Dr David:  Yes, I mean, the reason why companies sell Doritos is because people buy Doritos. And they will keep making Doritos because you can’t eat just one

Lisa: It tastes so good. Oh hell no. 

Dr David:  It’s engineered that way. But if you eat something else and the world turns that way. That's—Amazon bought Whole Foods because it's good business.

Lisa: Great. That's good thing 

Dr David: The entrepreneur’s looking for what is going to drive the business. And that's not a bad thing. It's a good thing. It's just that, like you said, each of us have a choice with what we buy, and it's a vote. And the more we buy the things that aren't good for us, the more we support the industries that are doing things that aren't good for us. If all of us decided, ‘We're not going to eat any foods from now on that has glyphosate on it’. And then the farmer brings it and says, ‘There's no glyphosate in here’. ‘Okay, I'll buy it’. ‘There's glyphosate in it? I'm not buying it’. If we got 10 million or 20 million or 50 million or a billion people to say, ‘We're fed up with this, we're not even glyphosate’. You know what? They wouldn't make glyphosate anymore. 

So we got what we deserve because that's what we did. And we got blindsided. And I think we got bought, and the guys that run everything control media and 70% of the media is pharmaceutical, big agriculture. So, if you watch a lot of TV, you're going to get brainwashed, and you're going to buy what they tell you. So, I mean, you got to start getting your information from different places. Like from you. And if they listen to you, and turn off the TV set, and then do what you say, and we get more and more and more and more people doing this, we can change the world in some ways.

Lisa: A move up by the people.

Dr David: You can’t blame them. 

Lisa: Yes. I mean, this is exactly what I'm wanting to make a documentary around the vitamin C story. And it's going to be very hard to get funding for such a thing, because the media companies are also, it's so one-sided, shall we say? And this is a problem. We're not getting the right—we're not getting unbiased information out there. I mean, in New Zealand, they advertise direct to our consumers drugs. 

Dr David: Well, here, too. The US, too. 

Lisa: I mean, I just don't understand it. We don't let them put smoke cigarette advertising on television, but we let them put pharmaceutical advertising and ask your doctor for this. And it's like, ‘Really’?

Dr David: Yes. Yes. And they control Google, they control everything. So that if you're looking for things, you're going to find what they want you to see. In the United States now, the Justice Department and the US government is going after Google for controlling media of what they want people to see. And they won't let people see...

Lisa: Are they doing this? 

Dr David: It’s fantastic. Now I don't know—I hope they can get it but it's really true. They have amazing health censorship. 

Lisa:  Oh, yes, Google is censoring.

Dr David: And so, it's moving. Just hopefully, we can get this thing moving fast enough before we extinct our species.

Lisa: Because we are, I mean, fertility rates are dropping, everything is heading downwards if we don't start to make a difference.

And just to sum up, because I know I've taken up far more of your time than I should have. But you see that a beautiful summary in your book, there is no such thing as a free lunch. For those people who say, ‘Well, I don't want to pay for tasting and supplements and good food’, you're going to pay in another way. You're going to pay, you're just choosing to pay later and down the track with worse consequences. Or you're paying to be preventative, you're paying for good health. And those are the two choices. We're making a choice. And inaction is one choice. It is a choice.

Dr David: Right. And no one bats an eye paying five bucks for Starbucks. Okay? Maybe one every day. Okay, so that's 150 bucks in a month of Starbucks coffee. Or you could buy a big canister of amino acids for that. And you could make your coffee at home for two cents a cup. And you'd be the same. 

So you're right, they’re choosing and if what you choose is not pro-survival in the long run, then you're going to end up in the medical system. And the medical system is very dangerous. The third leading cause of death in the United States, I don't know how it is New Zealand, is doctor-caused illness, death. Whether it's surgeries or procedures, or drug reactions, it is a real big deal. 

And if you don't want to end up as one of their statistic casualties, then you have to be able to orient your life toward nutrition, and supplementation, and detoxification, and healthy living, then you don't have to mess with them. Otherwise, you're going to end up in because you're going to get high blood pressure, or diabetes, or osteoporosis, or arthritis, or one of these things, and then you're going to go to them, you're going to get a drug. And then that drugs going to cause a problem, and then you're going to get another drug, and then that causes a problem. And then pretty soon, you're one of their guys. And if people had to actually pay for their medical care, none of this would happen. 

When government starts paying for medical care, and the governments are run by the big lobbyists, and then you get free this and that, now you're really, like you said, there's no free lunch, you're going to pay. You just think it's free but actually, it's not.

Lisa: Yes. And I mean, I've just been through two huge journeys in my family with my mum, as I said earlier, with four and a half years of rehabilitation and fighting the system. And now with my father and the things that I experienced fear, not being able to get him vitamin C, when he was dying of sepsis, and he was dying. And I was told that he was, and I was still not allowed to give it to them. And I had to fight legal battles, ethics committees, I had doctors and friends on the outside that I'm connected to pushing for me, given me all the evidence to present and I am the second person in history of New Zealand able to get vitamin C in the ICU setting. But it was too late for my dad. 

And this is the sort of thing we're up against. So, I want people to understand that when they get stuck into that hospital system, there are limitations as to what you're allowed to do. You don't have the jurisdiction over your own body anymore. And I wish it hadn't got to that point with my dear father. And it's something that I'm going to have to work through over the next few years, and his legacy will be that I will get those change some way, come hell or high water. It's my ultra-marathon now, is to change that one thing. And there's lots of other things I'd like to change but if I can get that through that message, then I'm contributing to that story. 

Look, Dr Minkoff, you've been just so wonderful today. Thank you so much for the generosity of your time, we've done a very long session. I would love to have another team with you. Honestly, I wish you lived in New Zealand. Thank you for the work and the dedication. I know that you could be just sunning yourself in Florida, and retiring, and enjoying, doing Ironmans all around the world but you're still passionate about this work. And I love learning from masters like yourself. So, thank you very much for your service. It's really a pleasure

Dr David: My pleasure. Enjoyed it. I'm sure you can pull this off. I would hate to go up against you if I was Medical Board, you can do this thing. You just have to keep hammering on them because they don't know what they're talking about and they're stuck in a stupid idea. And it can be changed and your contribution is enormous and thanks for what you do.

Lisa: Thank you so much, doctor. 

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How to Take a Preventive Approach to Cancer with Travis Christofferson02 Jun 202201:12:58

We don't often look at preventative measures when it comes to our health. We typically look for ways to get better after we get sick — take a pill or undergo this operation, and everything will be better! Don't put off becoming more health-conscious until you've been diagnosed with a disease like cancer. The adage still holds: prevention is better than a cure. In this episode, Best Selling Science Author++ Travis Christofferson discusses the root causes of diseases and how we can take a preventive approach to health. He shares emerging cancer treatment research and encourages us to learn more about them. Focus on your overall health rather than specific diseases. When your body has a good immune system, it can help prevent illnesses like cancer! 

If you want to learn more about the latest in cancer research disease prevention, then this episode is for you!

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  3. The state of our health care systems
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Episode Highlights [03:17] Travis’ Background
  • Travis has an undergraduate degree in biochemistry. He eventually took over the family business and got married. 
  • He then finished his master's degree, focusing on cancer metabolism for his independent study.
  • The prevailing teaching during that time was that somatic mutations cause cancer.
  • Travis was inspired by the book, Cancer as a Metabolic Disease, to do a thesis on metabolic theory. 
  • Otto Warburg proposed the metabolic theory many years ago, but the medical community dismissed it as simplistic. New evidence reignited interest in the approach.
[08:10] The State of Healthcare
  • Public and health institutions have long accepted the somatic approach to cancer, with billions of dollars backing it. 
  • The United States spends the most per capita on health care expenditure among developed countries yet has the lowest life expectancy. 
  • The issue with the healthcare system lies in variations of treatment, over-treatment, and drug development process. 
  • The healthcare industry is focused more on treating diseases rather than preventing them.  
  • Although technology has advanced to assist people in tracking their health, people's health is deteriorating. Even if people live longer, they often experience illness and disability in their final years.
[12:48] Changing the Healthcare Industry 
  • The healthcare incentive structure must change. Doctors get paid for every drug and procedure they prescribe, leading to overtreatment. 
  • There are emerging practices where doctors get a big bonus per patient who doesn't need procedures, encouraging them to keep patients in good health.
  • When blood sugar levels rise, doctors usually diagnose diabetes. However, we can test for fasting insulin regularly to intervene.
  • This test can also help people prevent other diseases and become more health-conscious.
  • Change takes time with systems and industries, but we can take simple lifestyle interventions now.
[16:01] Why People Are Getting Sicker
  • Maintaining our health can be challenging. We've been conditioned that taking a magic pill is preferable to putting in the effort.
  • Remember that metabolic dysregulation causes aging, not the other way around.
  • In the last 10,000 years, humanity has drastically shifted to consuming processed foods, carbohydrates, and oils, resulting in noticeable consequences.
  • People have also become sedentary. 
  • A hunter-gatherer society has no obesity, insulin resistance, or chronic systemic inflammation. However, we frequently see this in the Western world.
[20:32] The Root of Diseases 
  • Understanding cellular health and inflammatory processes are critical in keeping yourself healthy. 
  • Periods of food scarcity have happened throughout humanity's evolution. Our bodies enter ketosis due to the caloric deficit but most never reach this state.
  • Studies have shown that ketosis can help prevent diseases ranging from Alzheimer's to Parkinson's to cancer and diabetes.
  • Constantly eating keeps our immune system active and prevents it from resting, which has implications for chronic inflammatory diseases.
[24:53] What Happens During Ketosis? 
  • Ketosis happens in a fasted state, and a ketogenic diet is nutritional maintenance.
  • When we fast, our bodies will mobilise the fat we have in our bodies and begin a process of beta-oxidation to burn off fat. 
  • A caloric deficit makes this process faster, converting fats into ketone bodies, which then take the place of glucose. 
  • Ketones have more thermodynamic energy and ATP per carbon unit compared to glucose. 
  • Ketosis also boosts antioxidant levels. Since diseases are oxidative, ketosis can help to combat illnesses. Listen to the episode to learn more! 
[32:01] Growing Healthcare Trends 
  • Research has shown that fasting before chemotherapy can reduce some radiation side effects
  • Sugar is fuel for cancer cells, but doctors continue giving and allowing patients to consume it. 
  • There's more awareness of the latest research. The annual Metabolic Therapeutic Conference has grown to around 1600 attendees.   
  • When we approach doctors, we will receive information their institution has taught and allowed them to give us.
  • Even with COVID-19, people have yet to explore treatments like monoclonal antibodies, hyperbaric, and Vitamin C. 
[44:00] The Abscopal Effect on Cancer
  • The abscopal effect is when you target a single tumour site, but it affects other tumour sites in the body. 
  • Travis shares a case where someone with breast cancer on a checkpoint inhibitor received a much lower radiation dose. 
  • In that case, radiation was sufficient to systematically stimulate the immune system to attack cancer, improving the patient's chances of survival.
[47:41] Advancements in Immunotherapy
  • Using peptides to manipulate the immune system is still a trial and error process.
  • The immune system's job is to survey for cancer, get rid of it early, and create a checkpoint to avoid attacking itself. 
[49:44] Emerging Cancer Treatment Research
  • In detection, metastasis is an early stage event rather than a late-stage one. Cancer cells break off, dying when it reaches the bloodstream. 
  • This selection pressure creates different genetic mutations in tumours. 
  • The somatic mutation theory argues that a series of sequential mutations cause cancer, with each tumour site having a unique set of driving mutations.
  • The epigenetic metabolic theory posits that these mutations are a side effect of the disease. 
  • All cancers burn sugar and evade the immune system, but mutations vary too much. Treatments should focus on epigenetic expression rather than mutations.
[55:16] Researching Treatment Options
  • The medical field is filled with uncertainty. Cancer treatment options have not been compared. 
  • After an in-depth look at clinical trials, we find that what seems to be the best treatment paradigm isn't always the right option.
  • When conducting research, consider the data and evaluate it using a risk-reward framework. You can choose from low-risk alternatives.
[59:59] The Soil Approach to Cancer 
  • Cancer grows in the presence of a favourable microenvironment and molecular events. It takes a long time for a chronic irritant to develop cancer cells.
  • Cancer cells take on characteristics of our earliest genes,  including replication and the appearance of early embryos.
  • You can help your cells "behave" by providing oxygen and avoiding chronic irritants.
  • Nurture the microenvironment through exercising and eating the right foods. 
  • Instead of focusing on the seed or cancer, we should concentrate on the soil or microenvironment.
[1:04:05] Health and Longevity
  • While we don't know humankind's natural and optimal states, ketosis and fasting provide a glimpse.
  • Cells stop metabolising as we age, causing inflammation. We may be able to extend life spans if we can reduce senescent cells.
  • Travis shares a study in which mice received fisetin, found in strawberries, reducing senescent cells and prolonging their life. 
  • There's a lot of new research on substances that kill senescent cells, like senolytics, quercetin, and other compounds.
[1:08:49] About StageZero Life Sciences 
  • StageZero Life Sciences looks into markers of inflammation, insulin resistance, etc.
  • They also recommend potential lifestyle interventions to change those markers. 
  • They are currently available in Richmond, Virginia, Toronto, and Ontario, Canada.
7 Powerful Quotes

'It's just a combination of probably a terrible diet and just not moving enough because we were designed to go out and have to work every day to catch food. That's what we evolved, and when you uncouple your physiology from that environmental niche, you see all kinds of problems'

‘It appears that evolution has built in a powerful signal to that when you're in a caloric deficiency, you switch your metabolism…to something called ketosis where you completely shift what you're burning to these little small molecules that come from fat,’

‘We're terrible at focusing on prevention. We focus on the disease, trying to treat it once it's already manifest, which is an absolutely horrible strategy.’

‘If we look at cancer then as the prime drivers being metabolic and epigenetic, that means that all of those things potentially could be modifiable, right? We don't have to target mutations. We can look for ways to change the way cells are expressing genes and so forth, and metabolising substrates and things like that.’

‘Just mind the microenvironment of your body, which is giving you the right food, exercising. It's designed to do that. Every time you do that, it brings down those inflammatory processes, and so forth.’

‘We tend to think we're in this modern era, but with regard to cancer, we will look back 200 years from now, realise that we were just in the Dark Ages. We’re still using radiation which was invented about 110 years ago; chemotherapy was invented around World War II. That's still the mainstay of cancer treatments.’

‘When you really look deep, the two problems really are variation in treatment, over-treatment. The drug development process, I think, is one of the main problems too,’

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Travis Christofferson is the founder of The Foundation for Metabolic Cancer Therapies and works in Clinical Development at StageZero Life Sciences Ltd. 

He is also a science author of several books, including Tripping Over the Truth: How the Metabolic Theory of Cancer Is Overturning One of Medicine's Most Entrenched Paradigms, Curable: How an Unlikely Group of Radical Innovators Is Trying to Transform Our Health Care System, Ketones, The Fourth Fuel, and co-author of The Origin (and future) of the Ketogenic Diet

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[REPLAY] Running Through Hell - Ultrarunning and Mental Strength31 May 202201:31:04

Have you ever felt that you are not doing enough and not achieving enough? It may be easier to look at our current situation and feel sorry about ourselves but rest assured that everything is part of the process. Growth means doing things one step at a time and taking ownership of our situation and life.  

In this episode, Geoffrey Woo interviews Lisa about her experiences with ultramarathons and the importance of mindset during these difficult races. Lisa also talks about how all her experiences created a character that never backed down, even when her mother almost died from an aneurysm. Developing strength meant that she needed to pick herself up from failures and disappointments time and time again.   

If you want to know more about building strength and resilience, tune in to the podcast episode! 

 

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Here are three reasons why you should listen to the full episode:
  1. Learn about the power of mindset when facing difficult situations. 
  2. How do ultramarathons build your resilience and mental strength? 
  3. Discover how compounding experiences can uncover your true potential. 

 

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Episode Highlights [07:45] Lisa’s Journey Into Ultramarathon Races
  • Lisa has been doing ultramarathon racing for over 25 years.
  • Her ultramarathon races have been mostly located at deserts.
  • While she was not born with the genetic ability, Lisa owes these achievements to her strong mindset. 
[09:49] How Lisa Faced Challenges
  • Lisa used to be on track to become a national gymnast. 
  • Going through puberty changed her body and made her unfit for gymnastics. This led to her poor body image, self-loathing, and low self-esteem. 
  • In her early 20s, Lisa felt that she was never going to be good enough. This culminated when she crossed the Libyan Desert. 
  • Find out more about Lisa’s harrowing experience, both physically and emotionally, at the Libyan Desert in the full episode!
[15:57] Surviving The Libyan Desert And The Aftermath
  • In addition to the difficult and illegal crossing, Lisa also broke up with her then-boyfriend. 
  • Surviving the Libyan Desert meant focusing on just one step after another. 
  • The whole experience made Lisa physically and emotionally wrecked for two years. 
[23:58] Lisa’s First Encounter With Ultramarathon Races
  • One day, Lisa saw a Moroccan race that only required 240 kilometres, 9 litres of water a day, with support from doctors, journalists, and helicopters. 
  • These paled in comparison to the Libyan Desert crossing, where Lisa’s team had to travel 250 kilometres with 2 litres of water a day and 35-kilogram backpacks.
  • This comparison led Lisa to join the ultramarathon and she loved the experience. 
  • She notes that the community in ultramarathons was so uplifting that she kept signing up for more.
[25:34] Developing Emotional And Cognitive Resilience
  • Pushing your body’s limits with ultramarathons can build your resilience. 
  • Failure is a part of pushing to the limits and you have to get over that.
  • Resilience is not taught enough in our society. 
[28:15] Building Resilience
  • We don’t have the benefit of hindsight when we’re experiencing highs and lows, but trust in the process. 
  • Lisa talks about losing her son and how painful experiences can have moments of joy too. 
  • Listen to the full episode to hear how Lisa turned heartbreaking and difficult experiences into sources of strength and courage. 
[38:27] Society’s Disconnect With Nature
  • People tend to live vicariously through others and not go through experiences themselves. 
  • We have become disconnected from nature that affects our health and well being.
  • We cannot depend on anyone to save us. We have to make things happen ourselves.
[43:44] Compounding Experiences 
  • Create momentum with small successes.
  • When you hit roadblocks and failures, deal with them as they happen. 
  • Know that there is no limitation on what you can do. 
  • There is a misconception that running is bad for the joints.
  • You have to train for a marathon by building up strength and endurance.
[52:53] Mindset During Difficult Times
  • Lisa talks about how she used to have a prideful mindset of needing to prove that she can do something.
  •  Nowadays, her experiences with charity races developed a gratitude mindset. 
  • Lisa also thinks about how she would do anything for her loved ones.
  • For more details on how a New Zealand race and her mother taught her how to break down a situation step by step, check out the full episode! 
[1:00:51] Value Of Learning From Experiences
  • It's hard to convey experience and until you've lived through it.
  • When Lisa’s mother had an aneurysm, Lisa went above and beyond to help her. 
  • Tune in to the episode for Lisa’s extensive research into hyperbaric oxygen therapy, functional neurology, and the ketogenic diet to save her mother! 
 [1:16:27] Improving The Standard Of Care
  • We can change the standard of care and improve the current medical system.
  • With the current age of technology, information and research are more widely available. 
  • Take ownership of your health and do the research. 
  • No matter the age, people need to have goals and be challenged. 
  • We have to respect and care for our elders better for they have helped shape us to become who we are today. 

 

7 Powerful Quotes from This Episode

“And so no matter what you're going through in life, try to think of it as well, this is going to be a part of something that I'm meant to be learning and I can turn this around.”/

“When I decided I want something, I just do it until I get good at it, even if I'm hopeless at it at the start.”

“None of us have to be limited anymore. Certainly not this day and age by one profession.”

“It's all a matter of the motivation. It's how bad do you want this thing.”

(My mother) “poured my focus back into the here and the now, instead of projecting into the future, which was overwhelming and terrifying. And that's how we broke it down step by step.”

“If I hadn't had the belief that the human body and mind are capable of far more than what the average person thinks it is, then I would have listened to the naysayers and I would have given up.”

“We've got to do better. And we've got to respect our elders. They're the ones who made us who we are.”

 

About Geoffrey Woo

Geoffrey Woo is the Co-founder and Executive Chair of Health Via Modern Nutrition, or H.V.M.N. With the core mission of redefining human performance and longevity, the company offers quality nootropics to the market. The company is guided by rigorous research and development based on science, coupled with label transparency and evidence grading. 

Geoffrey is also the host of the H.V.M.N. Podcast, where he regularly interviews experts on health, nutrition, biohacking, and entrepreneurship. With over 100 episodes, you are sure to learn about optimizing your health! Tune in to the podcast! 

 

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Intro: Welcome to Pushing The Limits, the show that helps you reach your full potential with your host, Lisa Tamati, brought to you by lisatamati.com.

Lisa Tamati: Well, hi everyone and welcome back to Pushing The Limits this week.

Now today I have something a little bit different than my usual format. I've actually used a interview that I did on the H.V.M.N. podcast with the amazing Geoffrey Wu. He has an incredible podcast and company that I'd love you to check out as well. I'll put all the links in the show notes. And he did this interview with me and I told my story and a little bit of my background. And particularly we went into the story behind the Libyan desert, which was an illegal crossing that I did across the Libyan desert, a long, long time ago, beginning of my career. And I thought it would be quite interesting to share this little backstory with you. And also, you know, we go into a deep discussion around high performance and being the best that you can be.

So I hope you enjoy this interview. something a little bit different than having my usual guests which will be back to next week. I do have coming up in the next few weeks, some fantastic guests. I have James Nestor who is the author of Breath, which is an incredible book, all about the art of breathing. And you would be amazed at the science behind optimizing your health and everything with breathing.

And then I also have Patrick McKeown who is also the author of The Oxygen Advantage, again, all about nasal breathing [0:01:43]and the particular breathing techniques and just absolutely incredible. Both New York Times bestselling books, top authors, top experts in this field. So, I hope you make sure you tune into that.

Also coming up on the show in the next few weeks. I have Dr. Brian Walsh, who is one of my teachers and incredible, incredible — a super brain of a man — who's going to be talking to us about detoxing. So those are a few episodes coming up in the next few weeks. So make sure you do stay tuned.

Now before I go over to the interview, I just want to remind you, now Christmas is coming up. If you haven't got your Christmas presents, check out my jewellery collection online, it's called The Fears Collection and it's all about inspiring and motivating people with while you're wearing some blink, while you’re wearing something that's pretty cool. So sports jewellery, it's hardwearing, it's the sort of things you can dress down or dress up with. And I hope you enjoy that collection. You can find it in my shop on lisatamati.com.

Also, on that note with Christmas coming up, got to remind you to go and grab one of my books, either Running Hot, which was my first book, Running To Extremes, which was my second. Both of those chronicling all my adventures around the world. And my third book, which has just come out this year, Relentless, telling the story of bringing my mum back after her massive aneurysm and all the brain damage that she had and being told that there was no way forward. It's an empowering, inspiring story — a love story. And it's a story that is really — a book that it's actually, I'm getting feedback all the time from people telling me how much it's changed their lives, their approach to taking ownership over their own health and not just leaving it up to everyone else. So, I hope you enjoy it.

Now head over to the show in just a moment. But if you could also do a rating and review for the podcasts I really, really appreciate that. And I say it every week. But I do really appreciate getting any reviews. And if you've got any questions, please reach out to us. You can reach me on lisa@lisatamati.com. We're also taking on a few clients at the moment on a one-on-one which we don't usually do just because of the sheer volume of work that we have. But I am taking on a very few people. If you've got to have health journey that you want help with, you want someone to help navigate some tricky waters that you're going through, or challenge, or if you're setting yourself up for a mess of big sporting challenge, obviously, mindset or anything like that, then please reach out to me. I do enjoy working one on one with just a handful of people at a time because it does take a lot of resources. So, if you're interested in that reach out to me at lisa@lisatamati.com.

And now over to the show with the interview with Geoffrey Wu.

Announcer: Coming up in this episode

Lisa: Our little boy Joseph suddenly came early and he only survived for two hours and he died. And this was like heartbreaking. Our last chance basically, to hold your baby and to watch him struggle and die and that was like the worst thing I've ever been through.

And even in this horrifying situation, if you like, there were moments of joy, moments of blessings and the blessings that our little boy brought to us. It took me a few weeks. when I now think on my little boy, I think, what he left behind, like the changes he created in me, the changes he created in my husband, our surrogate parents — were extremely close now —  to our surrogate parent family, to their children. My husband is a firefighter, and he's now become an officer, which he wouldn't do before. Because he was like, “Ah, I'm too shy, and too, whatever.” And now he's like, “No, my little boy didn't get to live, I'm [0:05:48]going to live full bore, I’ve suffered.” So little Joseph bought blessings in a way that we couldn't see at the time. And I don't wish that on anyone. And I certainly don't want to go through that again. But it could either break you or you can try to find something in there that has meaning for you, and a reason for you.

And so, no matter what you're going through in life, try to think of it as “Well, this is going to be a part of something that I'm meant to be learning and I can turn this around.” And that's I think your job when you're on this earth is to try and have these lessons and become stronger and better and not let it break you.

Announcer: Welcome to the H.V.M.N podcast, what we do with our bodies today becomes the foundation of who we are tomorrow. This is Health Via Modern Nutrition.

Geoffrey Wu: Hey, everyone, welcome to this week's episode of the H.V.M.N. podcast. And this is going to be an especially fun one because my guest today is Lisa Tamati. I had a wonderful conversation on her podcast. So, for today, we're going to flip the script, flip the table and have Lisa share her experience.

In a lot of my conversations over the last few years now, when you really talk to World Class specialists in one specific domain, they oftentimes touch and become generalist experts across a multitude of domains. I think that's just the world that we live in. To be really, truly world class. One can't just be in that one specific tunnel. One really gets the best practice from a number of domains. I think Lisa really encapsulates that for me. So Lisa, great to have on the H.V.M.N. podcast.

Lisa: I’m so stoked to be here. Geoffrey, it was wonderful to have you on my show. And yeah, now the flip-the-script is going to be exciting. I can't wait to do a deep dive.

Geoffrey: Yeah. One area that you have a tremendous amount of experience and I have a little bit of a taste of is ultramarathons, long distance running. I think that seems to be your initial entry point into high performance, human physiology. Love to hear your background story of how you got into it, competing Badwater, some of the most prestigious well-known ultramarathon races. What was your journey into this specific field?

Lisa: Yeah, thanks, Geoff. So I've been doing ultramarathons now for over 25 years, and I've had, in that time, the chance to sort of run and compete and train over 70,000 Ks in that time. So that’s three times around the equator, if you add it all up.

I've done mostly desert so I've done a couple of thousand kilometres in the Sahara Desert from the Moroccan Sahara, a couple of times to the Tunisian, Arabian Desert, the Libyan desert, Niger, Jordan, also the Gobi desert in China, Death Valley in the USA, a couple of times, in different parts of the outback of Australia, which is closer to home. And I've also at one stage ran right through New Zealand, doing 52 marathons in 42 days, raising money for charity. So that was another a really amazing mission.

But the funny thing about my story is that I'm a so what from average, as far as talent goes. I don't have any special genetic abilities. No Dean Karnazes or David Goggins, or anything like that, as far as ability and speed go. But what I did have was really, really super strong mindset. And when I decide I want something, I just do it until I get good at it, even if I'm hopeless at it at the start. And certainly, I was asthmatic as a child, so I was in and out of hospital, I had a very poor lung capacity. Very poor v02 max. So I wasn't really made or built for this type of thing, but I never let that stop me doing anything, really.

Geoffrey: Yeah, so what kicked it off? When I talked to a lot of folks that end up being, just long careers in endurance sport, oftentimes, it's realizing that in middle school that they were really get the 5k compared to the other middle schoolers?

Did you have a story like that where you ended up running and you realize, “Hey, I'm pretty good at this. Everyone else is tired, I'm pretty good.”

Lisa: That was absolutely bloody, hopeless setup. To be honest, Geoff. What happened is I was really into sport, I was a gymnast as a kid. I was good at gymnastics. And so, I did that from the ages of 5 up to about 15. And I was on sort of track to be a national sort of gymnast.

But then when I went through puberty, I grew up too tall, and I grew up very muscular and athletically built. And I just didn't have it. Once I went through puberty, I knew I just wasn't going to make it.

And so that was a real blow to me because that was all I'd done. And I've grown up in a family, where the expectations were really, really high. And I was expected to represent my country and I was expected to be the best at everything that I did. I had amazingly loving, amazing mum and dad, but my dad was also very hard on us. And that, I think having that early childhood — being pushed into that really strict discipline that gymnastics requires, was, in some ways, a really good learning curve and other ways it was quite damaging.

So as a young woman — so from 13 to 15, before I started, stopped, gymnastic — I really struggled with my body image. And I was the heaviest, biggest girl in the group, if you like and, and was always constantly ridiculed for that. And so they that started a path of self-loathing, and very low self-esteem.

And when I failed at gymnastics, I thought, “Well, that said, I'm never going to represent New Zealand.” But I sort of had that dream in back of my mind the whole time. And then in my early 20s, I met an Austrian guy who was cycling through our country here and had an accident on our mountain, got hit by an avalanche. And my mum, being the sort of mum she was, she always picking up strays and bringing them home and looking after them, as mums do. And she bought this young gentleman home, and we fell in love and doing lots of adventure stuff around the world. So we cycled around 25 different countries, climb mountains, quiet, did all that sort of adventurous stuff. And that sort of opened my eyes to the world of travel because I've never been outside my country prior to that — into the world of adventure and to what I was capable of. But it was also at the same time, a very abusive relationship. And once again, I was never good enough. I was never what I was supposed to be. It was it could never live up to the expectations. I wasn't fast enough, strong enough, good enough. I was accused of having bad genes.

And this sort of culminated. I did a crossing of the Libyan desert, an expedition with a partner and two other guys, this was a really extreme illegal crossing of the Libyan desert. And we only had like two litres of water a day because that's all we could carry on our backs with this distance of 250 kilometres that we had planned. And no one had been through — no Europeans have been through this part of the desert at this stage. There were no maps. We managed to get some pilot maps of US military don't ask how. And we started off on this crossing and two litres of water a day, and 40 plus degree temperatures with 35 kilo backpacks. It was a recipe for extremely on the limits.

Geoffrey: That’s a serious rock. Yeah, that’s a serious rock. Wow.

Lisa: Yeah, especially when I was like 58, 59 kilos at the time. So, it was more than like, now, nearly two thirds of my body weight. And this ended up being not only physically really demanding, but the boyfriend ended up leaving me in the middle of the desert on day four.

Yeah. So that you can imagine you have your relationship breakups. We've all been there and done that, but to do that in the middle of the Libyan desert, in the middle of this crossing. And the reason was, we were all suffering and very irritable, as you can imagine, when you can't, you got no water. And so, timbers were short, and he wanted to move faster. And we were doing a book on the expedition. So, photographing it, and he was a perfectionist, and wanted to set up all these photos and wanted me to help.

And the leader of the expedition said, “Look, we got to keep moving. So, you can take your pictures, but you got to keep up with us.” And so he wanted me to help with that. And I physically was just unable to run around, do anything extra other than put one foot in front of the other. And so that went down like a ton of bricks. And after a couple of days of frosty temperatures in between us, he said, “That's it, I'm leaving, I'm heading off over the sand dunes. And you can stay with the other two guys.” And that's it, the relationship’s over.

So that was a real deep turning point. And it sounds quite funny now, but it wasn't at the time, I can assure you, and we're in desperate straits by this time. The dehydration is so, so bad. I don't know where the heat is going to survive, whether we're going to survive, what's going to happen. And in that moment, I really learned I had to compartmentalize things in my brain. So I had to be able to function despite the emotional turmoil that I was going through. And that was a really good lesson to learn so that you can actually still function and do what you have to do to survive to get out and not fall to pieces. And of course, I owed it to the other two guys, too, who are like, “Oh, my God, we've got a hysterical woman here. Now, what do we do now?”

Geoffrey: This story deserves more attention. I mean, just from the emotional capacity, obviously, a breakup with a long-term partners of emotion is a massive emotional turmoil. And then it sounds like there was questions of even surviving. So-

Lisa: Yes, there was.

Geoffrey: – at the time, did you think that everyone could have died? How serious? I mean, it sounds like it was pretty serious. But did you have regrets or thoughts racing through your mind? Were you like, “Hey, like, why did I do this? Am I going to die in the desert? I'm stupid.” Can you walk us through that kind of a thought process there?

Lisa: The thirst was just unbelievable, like the suffering that goes on when you don't have enough water is really, really horrific. So your mouth swells, your lung, your tongue swells, you just got no saliva, so you can’t eat, obviously. And we were covering around 45 kilometres a day, or we were trying to so that we would have enough to get out. So we had a schedule that we had to keep. And we were trying to avoid going in the very hot hours of the day, but there was often no shade, so you just like sort of put your backpack up and try and hide under it.

 

So it was extreme, as far as would we survive, and it was a military bad area as well. So leaving the Oasis was really dangerous and getting out from outside the military camp and then disappearing into the desert without being followed. And by the same token getting back. And so you had all that sort of stuff going on as well. If you've been caught in this area, you would have been in deep, deep trouble, shall we say?

So, there was there was all sort of elements to it. And then, when the partner left, I had to just stop thinking about whether he would survive or not. I knew that he was extremely strong and strongly fed, but all it takes is one twisted ankle. And you're gone, there was no there's no one to come and rescue you. There's no one to help. There was no outside help at all. And there was no water on route. So there wasn't much chance of survival of anything went wrong. Now as with the other two guys, and the leader of the expedition was a survival expert from Yugoslavia and he was amazing. All I had to do was really follow him and do what he said. And that's what we did.

On day five. I had real we had a sand storm hit and just as the evening broke, and it came in so suddenly. Because I was doing most of my drinking the water in the night-time and because that's when your cells could take it up. If you if you drank during the day, it would just evaporate out of your body really quickly. So, we were trying to drink the bulk of our supply for the day in the evening. And I'd also been squirreling away part of that two litres a day. So I was actually only getting a litre and a half and because I was so scared of running out so that I had more left in the backpack than I was meant to have and on this particular night, the same storm came in, and I didn't get to drink my water because it we just got an hour sleeping bags and just hunkered down and we basically got buried by the same storm. You couldn't do anything for the next five or six hours while this pass through.

And then at about three in the morning, we got up again and we got going really quickly and I only had a small drink and then I got underway. And finally, by now I was not really feeling the thirst anymore and was walking in the early hours of this morning and I just kept passing out and my body was starting to shut down. But Elvis was on such a mission to get to the certain point that we he'd see on the map. So, then he would know where we were exactly and that we would survive that he was just on a mission, he wouldn't stop to let me get water out of the backpack. And they keep pulling me back on my feet. I'd go along for another 20 minutes, and then I pass out again, they’d put me back up again, I'd walk along again, the pass out again. This happened like five or six times, until we got to this place where we could see this — it’s called the barbecue depression.

So you were up on this table top, landscape, and then you're looking down. And so, then he knew where we were. And by now I was hallucinating. So, the, the rocks were becoming monsters. And I didn't even know to ask for a break. If that makes sense. All I was doing was functioning by putting one foot in front of the other, and I couldn't think straight, my vision was closing in, hallucinations, and so on.

Geoffrey: What kept you going? I mean, it sounds like — was it just reptilian survival instinct, just one foot after another? Was there something higher? Or like, “I'm not going to die today?” Where were you in this state? It just sounds like you are so —

Lisa: So close

Geoffrey: — baseline functioning, right? It was just like you're essentially just baseline survival function at this point?

Lisa: Yeah, at this point, there was no higher thinking at all. There was just, I'd been doing this for days, just following the footsteps of the guy in front of me. And that was what I was mesmerised on, this little white flicker of his shoes in front of my eyes. And that's all I focused on doing because just could not think any higher thoughts. When you run out of glucose and when you run out of water, your brain function is it's like being completely out of it.

So I was just doing everything I could just to stay upright and keep moving forward and not thinking and not being intelligent. You're unable in this case to make clear decisions or anything like that or to say, “Look, hey, I need to stop and get some water guys.” And you're on the sort of mission, and you're just going, and it's just pure survival that keeps you putting one foot in front of the other. And then once we got to this place, he helped me down these cliffs and we got to the bottom and he said, “Right, I want you to get out your water and you're going to drink and we're going to sit here for the extra hours. And you're going to slowly drink your whole day supply because your body's starting to shut down. And he said to me, “Look, he'd been in the desert a lot.” He said “I've known of people who have died in the desert with 20 litres of water and next to them because they've been squirreling it away for so long.” He said it's better in your tummy than in the backpack. In other words, I hadn't been having enough just to keep surviving and you can actually die next to a whole big ton of water because you're squirreling it away for too long. And then your body shuts down, and then you're gone, can’t go too far.

So the upshot of this adventure was anyway, we did get out, we did survive, obviously. I had some major kidney damage and health problems after this. The boyfriend also got out and there was a lot of undoing of misty relationship stuff, as you can imagine, in the aftermath. But that was a time in my life where I went and never again, when I let myself be controlled by anybody else. Never again, am I not controlling my own destiny.

And it took me two years to do anything again because my body was just wrecked and emotionally, I was wrecked. But then one day I was reading this magazine. And it was about the Marathon des Sables, which is a very famous ultramarathon in Morocco. And I was reading the statistics and comparing it to what I've been through the Libyan desert. So we've done 250 Ks, we'd had 35 kilo backpacks, two litres of water a day, right? And Marathon des Sables is touted as, that time, as the toughest race on Earth — 240 kilometres, 9 litres of water a day, doctors, journalists, airplanes, helicopters support—

Geoffrey: You’re like, “This sounds easy. This sounds like a luxury clamp glamping.”

Lisa: [laughs] Luxury cruise.

Geoffrey: Yeah.

Lisa: Yeah. So, you had to carry everything in your back, as far as the food goes, but that was like, between 9 and 12 kilos. And I thought, “Hang on a minute. I reckon I could do this.” And so, I hadn't even run a marathon but I signed up for this 240 k event. And that was the first time I'd done something on my own. As girl on her own now, it was really important to me to prove to myself that I wasn't useless.

And I went and I did this race, and I just absolutely loved it. I did really, really well. I didn't win anything but I was in the top 10 woman and I just had an absolute ball. I was surrounded by people who were positive and encouraging and empowering, and there was 700 people in this race and the whole camp moves every day. It was like a huge military operation. It was just mind blowing.

And then after that experience, I started to get my self-confidence back that had been on the ground for the last two years. And I became addicted to that experience if you like because I was like, “Ugh. Give me more of this, this is awesome.” And I was good at something for change. I was told I was doing really well, and the other people were so uplifting, that then I became like addicted to ultramarathon. So, then I just signed up for every race I could possibly find, interested in one after the other, and sort of worked it out as I went. And so long story short, that's how I got into ultramarathon running.

 

Geoffrey: Now I understand why he put mindset as first year as well, the ultramarathon. I mean, it sounds like almost from your perspective, your mindset and that emotional and cognitive resilience to go through when you were 13 and 15. As an adolescent, athlete towards some of these survival trips. Would you say that's accurate? You almost see yourself like a mental ninja or a mental resilience expert ahead of being an endurance athlete at this point?

Lisa: Yes. Yeah, definitely. Certainly, it's become that over the even the last 20 years, especially. Whereas like I've said, I never hadn't had a lot of talent. But I realized I had I did have really good mental strength when it came to certain areas, especially in sport, I had a mindset that I could just go and I would go to the point of killing myself, nearly, which also became a problem on occasion, because you just wouldn't pull out when you should pull out. And now I'm a lot wiser and don't advise people to do that. And now we coached, you know, hundreds of athletes around the world, and we try to get them to pull out way before that point.

You know what the greatest benefit of doing all these ultramarathons and pushing your body to the limits like this is that it teaches you mental toughness, it teaches you resilience, it teaches you that failure is a part of the game as well. That if we only go through life being scared of failure, we're never going to take risks, we're never going to push the envelope, we're never going to find out what we truly capable of. And if there's one thing I've learned through this whole journey, it's that failure is a part of pushing to the limits. When you're going to that sort of level, even in business or in whatever it is in life, you are going to have failures and that is part of it. And you have to get over that and you have to learn resilience.

And I think resilience is a word that is totally underutilized in our society. And something we should be teaching all our kids about the resilience to be able to get up when you're knocked down. The resilience to be able to believe that you can still achieve them when things are stacked against you or when people are telling you no and it's impossible. That’s the thing that has helped me most, running from A to B and some artificial human made race, if you like, or climbing a mountain or doing any of these things, it's a conduit to learning who the hell you are.

Geoffrey: Yeah, it's an artificial construct. It's like a game to actually bring out that resilience at that person, that character, that integrity. This is something I've been thinking a lot about, I'm glad you're bringing this up. For the specific resilience, where do you think that resilience came from? Do you believe — I mean, this might be like a nature versus nurture question — do you think that there's some sort of genetic disposition that predisposes certain people towards having this kind of emotional and cognitive resilience? But also part of that is that sounds like through your childhood, through your environment, through your upbringing, you had pretty early, shall I say, traumatic or formational experiences as you're competing that probably gave you some sort of either a trauma that you healed really well from, or gave you a lot of experience that people never actually face with like a happy normal childhood or whatever you want to call it. Do you think those were powerful formational experiences that led you down that path?

How do you think about it, when you coaching clients coaching different folks? Obviously, you realize that some people just seem tougher than others, right? Like you hear like, yeah, I think your story is reminds me a lot of David Goggins’s story who was a former Navy SEAL, ultra-endurance athlete, had a lot of trauma through his childhood. How do you synthesize your personal experience as well as the experiences that you've called and pulled through your coaching and your journeys around the world?

Lisa: Yeah, that's a really good question in and yes, like David's stories are incredible and his childhood — terrible, obviously. And it's what who made him who he is, a lot of it.

I actually think there's a combination of nature and nurture. So I'm right into epi genetics and we use a system called Ph360, which is looking at different types of people and different health types. And I am what they call a crusader, which is someone who's always going to be dopamine driven and on a mission, tendency towards addictive behaviour, whether that's running stupid distances or eating too much chocolate. Same sort of thing. And so this, I think — and my brothers often say to me, “Why are you always on a mission? Why are you trying to conquer the world all the time in everything that you do? Why can't you just sit back and relax and have a day at the beach like we do?” And I say, “It's like asking a table not to be flat, this is who I am, this is my makeup, this is the way I made, and I can't do anything much about that.”

So I do think that a big part of the drive and the determination is genetically predisposition. Like mum said, even as a three-year-old, I would be off, diving into the pool when I couldn't swim, or I just had no fear, I would be doing stupid stuff. As a kid without any sort of idea of what the heck I'm doing. And that is always been characteristic of my nature to just jump into things and work it out on the way.

 

So I think there is a big portion of genetics. And by the same token, I think the combination of that with some very harsh experiences. And these are experiences, too like, don't get me wrong, the self-esteem, the lack of confidence in after that relationship, there were massive depression, suicide attempts. There’s a lot of staff that are not going into the details have to come out the other end, if you know what I mean.

 

So it wasn't like you're just like, wow, the super resilient person who just gets back up again. It certainly wasn't in that young years, when I didn't have the toolkit, either to be able to cope with the emotions that I'm feeling. And when you're younger, you've got a whole lot of hormones and stuff going around, and very dramatic, as you know, with all teenagers are all dramatic. I was probably super dramatic.

 

So, there was a lot of stuff and this is a process. And I'm old now, it's very easy for me now look back at the journey. I'm 51 going on 18, I still think I’m a teenager. Looking back over that time and going, actually, I can see the progression, I can see how I developed I can see the highs and the lows, and it all makes sort of a sense now, if you like. And we don't always have that benefit of hindsight when you're in the middle of it, all you know is that you're depressed and you don't want to be here anymore.

 

But if you can actually look at things from a longer term perspective and go, “This might be a part of making me who I am.” And now every situation that I get into that really blows me to pieces or is really hard or tragic, and I've been through quite a lot in my life, I now look at it and the first thing I try to think is where is the learning here? Where is the silver lining? What is it that I'm meant to be learning from this experience? And how can I turn this into a positive?

 

And it doesn't always come to me quickly. I mean, last year, we had a situation with my husband and I've been trying to have a baby for four years. We've lost one when I was 46 in a miscarriage. And then I had a surrogate mum, and we were over the moon, we thought we were finally going to have a baby. And six months into it. Our little boy, Joseph, suddenly came early, and he only survived for two hours and he died. And this was like, heartbreaking. Our last chance, basically, to hold your baby and to watch him struggle and die. And it was it was it was like the worst thing I've ever been through.

 

And even in this horrifying situation, if you like there were there were moments of joy, moments of blessings and the blessings that a little boy brought to us. It took me a few weeks. But when I when I now think on my little boy, I think what he left behind, like the changes he created in me, the changes he created in my husband, our surrogate parents — we’re extremely close now to our surrogate parent family, to their children. My husband is a firefighter and he's now become an officer which he wouldn't do before because he was like “Ah too shy and too whatever.” And now he's like, “No, my little boy didn't get to live, I'm [0:35:06] going to live full bore, I’ve suffered.

 

So little Joseph bought blessings in a way that we couldn't see at the time. And I don't wish that on anyone. And I certainly don't want to go through that again. But it could either break you or you can try to find something in there that has meaning for you and a reason for you. And so no matter what you're going through in life, try to think of it as “Well, this is going to be a part of something that I'm meant to be learning and I can turn this around.” And that's I think your job, when you're on this earth is to try and have these lessons and become stronger and better and not let it break you.

 

Geoffrey: Yeah, well, I think that's an incredible framework that you've really, I think, internalized and really test it to the limits, right? How do you turn every single injection, eruption, happenstance that occurs in one's life? And how do you take the positive from that, and it sounds like you've been able to really internalize it so well, that you're really testing the bounds of, of human experience there.

 

Lisa: I think, and also, I mean, we've gone pretty deep, and it's pretty emotional in this topic. To lighten things up a little bit. I mean, I've had the most crazy adventures and most fun, running things like Death Valley in the US, which is a really well known race that you probably know about. And our friend, David Goggins has done Dean Karnazes and in doing those events, where it's just been absolute highlights of my life to have those achievements.

 

So by the same token that you have these horrible things such happened to you, and you have to get through them, then you have these amazing experiences that were obviously challenging and hard and the discipline and all that sort of stuff that you learn along the way. But these are also life changing moments where you've achieved something, like Death Valley was a dream for 15 years of mine before I actually got there and got a slot in that race and had enough money to go.

And the boyfriend that left me in the Libyan desert, he'd cycled through Death Valley in the middle of summer. And so, he was always like, “A year, I cycled through Death Valley.” And so in the back of my mind, I was like, “One day, I'm going to run through these valleys” like —

 

Geoffrey: I’m going to show him

 

Lisa: — later [laughs] I’m going to show him, and I did. I did. I ran through it twice, I've done it twice and it was a crazy — that was another life changing event for me because it opened up the world I ended up doing a lot of documentaries after that books and so on.

 

So, there's been some amazing things, and this is the beauty of life. We don't have to be stuck in a box. We have the ability to reinvent ourselves. I mean, you Geoffrey are a prime example of somebody — Stanford University, computer scientists, now you're just creating a new you in a new world and a new direction that actually is what you want to do now. And none of us have to be limited anymore and I certainly not this day and age by one profession. Like, I write what I do, it's everything from podcasting, to filmmaking, to book writing, to coaching, to mental toughness courses to everything. And none of that is a contradiction.

Geoffrey: Yeah. I want to step back and just maybe turn us into more of a culture commentary because I feel like a lot of modern society and culture is, at least I sense, there's a lot of its form of anaesthesia, just numbing, kind of an existential angst of why, what is one's purpose? And then I think there's also a big stream of living vicariously through others, right? People aren't doing the Death Valley run themselves, they're watching you, Lisa, doing that Death Valley run — are watching and living through other people.

Lisa: And that is a hallmark of our time, really. With all the movies and social media. It's very easy just to sit on the couch and think, “Wow, I've just been to all over the place.”

 

Geoffrey: Right, and I think it's a little bit of both because I think a lot of people have this, they live vicariously through others, which gives us that excitement, but it's also the anaesthesia for the day to day, boredom or anx of not being satisfied with what they're doing. I mean, do you sense that with the broader cultural context of our times?

 

Lisa: I think there's a real massive disconnect nowadays from the way human beings used to be — so out in nature all day, digging the fields, hunting deer, building their houses, doing whatever, pushing the limits exploring. We don't have to do any of that anymore because we live in a world where it's all that's all done for us. And yet we live in the stressful times of computers and technology and crazy jobs and a lot of confinement. And we're going from one box of in their house to another box in the car to another box at work, in an office. And all of us as disconnected us from our true roots in our ancestral way of being and this is at odds with our DNA, I think, and the way our bodies are meant to function.

 

And so I think this is causing a disconnect, especially with young people who don't know that they have to get outside and get in the sunshine and get their vitamin D on their skin and get away from those damn computers and video games and all that sort of stuff. And so, when that happens, we have all sorts of problems come up, hormone dysregulation, circadian rhythms are stuffed up, woman with their cycles are stuffed up. We disconnected from nature. And I think the more that we can get outside, get back to some very basics that the human body needs.

 

So I run my businesses, I'm 24/7 sort of thing around, going for it all the time, but I make sure every day I get time to train in nature push my body out in the physically outdoors, and connect with the see the forest, the mountains, wherever I can. And even if I've only got 10 minutes to sit in the city park, I know that it's important for my soul to be able to connect with nature. And that's important on a hormone level, it's important on a personality level, and all of these areas that are just being neglected now.

 

And we can sit at home and be entertained 24/7 on our devices. And this is a huge danger, I think for the human race because we shouldn't be living in the matrix. We need to be out there actually experiencing it ourselves, getting in the water, going for runs, walking in the park, whatever it is, and interacting with other human beings on a eye-to-eye level. I mean, we luckily have this technology, and I can connect with you, which I never would have been able to do in the past.

 

But by the same token, it's important that I go today, and I see my family and I look them in the eye and I have that social interaction with them. And all of these things are missing from many people's lives. So there's the element of loneliness, there's the element of all these dysregulation that's going on in our bodies and our circadian rhythms, and hormones, and so on.

 

This all leads down a track of very often depression, being dissatisfied in life. And then maybe you're in a job that you feel trapped in or you don't have a job. You don't know what you want to be. We have to create our own framework and our own destiny, and we have the power. We live in a time where we can actually — through this amazing technology — access so many things that we never could have before. There is no reason for any single person to not be doing something on a mission, creating their own business, doing something on the side to get them out of the job that they don't like, whatever.

 

But it's up to you and your mindset to understand, there is no white knight in shining armour coming to save you. You have to make things happen. And you just do that, obviously. You just decided I'm into the keto and the intermittent fasting, right, and I don't know the whole story, obviously, I'm going to go and make this happen. Then you start a new business and you started the business and sold it at 23, you know, like I didn't know which way was up at 23. To be honest.

Geoffrey: I think if you look at just how every single story, every single interesting, whether it's historical figure, everyone started from somewhere and someone decided to do something, and it compounded and grew and you learn over time, right? And I think one interesting, maybe first step, to inspire people to build that mental toughness, at least for my experience was doing some of these longer runs.

I remember the first time some of my colleagues at H.V.M.N. who are marathoners and triathletes, they kind of just challenged me casually do a half marathon. And never was a good endurance runner and the notion of running for an hour was just seemed like very intimidating. And I imagine for most people that are casual athletes, casual folks that go the gym, running a mile on a treadmill is like a pretty solid day, warm up or pretty solid effort. But I think what I took out of that experience and having done a couple ultramarathons was that going back to your point, I think is more interesting for me as a mental challenge than a aerobic bout. It just being in your own head for a couple hours for three hours, four hours, five hours, not listening to music. That's almost a forced meditation, in some perspective.

Lisa: It is. It is.

Geoffrey: And I think, especially in our day and age, you never are really alone without your devices for a 2, 3,4 or five hours. I think that's an interesting little small entry point into tapping into that notion of resilience and self-actualization.

So, I'm curious to get your thoughts on that route, but also just going back to the notion of creating one's own destiny. And I think just from a historical perspective, you look at all the great historical figures — from a Steve Jobs to Genghis Khan — everyone was some child with some interesting upbringing and they figured out some things went well, they made some mistakes. But I think the thing is, I did they didn't really stop right, I think your story is definitely a story of not stopping.

Lisa: Yeah, congratulations for stepping up to those challenges and doing those runs. Because the thing is, when it's the same as when, like, someone might look at you and go, “Wow, what a brain and he's super intelligent, and I could never do that.” And I bet you just when I'm just going to take this one step at a time, or start my degree or do this paper or do in suddenly you will start to expand, doesn't it? And you're capable, and then you find out, “Holy heck, pretty amazing what I've achieved.”

And it's the same thing with running, you start off and we coach 700 athletes now, and I've coached thousands over the years. And I've taken people from running from one lamppost up to running hundred miles. So, I know that process. And you start with people, you don't talk to them like “One day, you're going to run 100 milers”, you start with them like, “We just got to get to that lamppost down there and I'm going to teach you the way to run and the way to breathe.” And a lot of people don't even know how to breathe, and then they suddenly realize, “Oh, heck, I actually can run for half an hour, I thought that would be impossible.” And once you have those initial successes, you get the breathing correctly, you get and taking smaller steps, for starters, you teach them a few technique things, and then they get that there's that those first initial wins. And that's where you start. And then within weeks, you can have them running the first 5K, often. If they're healthy, normal people, they just don't know how to run. And all of a sudden, now the horizon is lifted to that level. And then you repeat that process up to 10 Ks up to 20KS and then they run into a brick wall, and they don't know how to get from a half marathon to a marathon. And then you show them the way through that and they may have a couple of failures on the way where they run out of glycogen. And you deal with these things as they happen.

And then all of a sudden, they're signing up for the first ultra, and then the world's open to them, then they understand that this is just one foot in front of the other, having a good coach, having good structure, not burning yourself out, doing things in the right order, getting your recovery, doing all of that sort of good stuff. And then all of a sudden, the horizons are lifted. And this is a beautiful thing when you cross the finish line or something like Death Valley, it is a moment that is a combination of in that case, 15 years’ worth of work to get there. And you've stood on the shoulders of all your teammates, you've learned so much about who you are along the way. It's not just about that journey, and then you're capable in your life, there is nothing that is going to hold you back. There is no limitations into what you can do.

But you also have to realize you have to be willing to pay the price for all of those things. You have to be willing to go to the [0:48:44]anx degree, you have to be willing when you did those runs, I bet there was times where you're in a lot of pain and your suffering and your body's screaming at you why, Geoff, just sit down? Why are you doing this? Who are you trying to impress here?

Geoffrey: Yeah, I remember that. One of the first half marathons is like it was on the team lunch, I think on a Wednesday and then, my former colleague Brianna, who wrote for Great Britain and converted to doing Iron Mans was like, “Hey, you should do a half marathon this week.” And I'm like — just like running around the Embarcadero in San Francisco — I'm like, it's like mile like seven and like, “Why am I doing this? Like my feet start hurting?” It's just like by herself, everyone, all the tourists are just like confused like, why this person's like running like these back and forth along the Embarcadero. Maybe I don't want to be overly conceited but I feel like at a certain point, like humans were just designed to be able to run 5, 10 miles. And I feel like in a more healthful society should be almost table stakes to be able to just blast out 10 miles on a dime, right? Like, I think I would love to live in a society where that just tables where you would expect people to be able to walk across the street? Any healthy person should be able to run a few miles.

Lisa: Yeah, I mean, obviously you've got disabilities or whatever, it's different. But if you're just a normal, healthy human being, then yes. There’s a book go by my friend, Chris McDougall, Born to Run. And that's all about the fact that humans are born to run and we had a TV series along this line that we tried to get off the ground, we got the pilots down, and we looked at, in historal stories of long distance running in different cultures all around the world, from the mountain [50:37] to monks to the Kalahari Bushmen to the Navajo Indians to the Maori in New Zealand, all of these ancestral people covered huge distances on foot. Whether that was running walking, but they were moving pedestrian, that's fit what we are. We’re made, were born for the stuff. We're probably not born to do 100 miles, [0:50:57]veins, to be honest, like I think we do those things because we want to find out where the limits are, but we all made to be doing 10 to 20Ks a day. I truly believe that that's what our bodies.

I often get asked, “What are you be wearing at your joints?” My joints are fine, and I've run 70,000 Ks, and I don't have knee troubles, and where the problems come is when you don't do your strength training, when you don't do your mobility work. So, in the past that would have been working in the garden and stretching and lifting and all of those things that we often just run and then we come sit at a computer. And that's a bit of a dangerous combination.

Geoffrey: Yeah, I think the argument that running is bad for your joints is definitely a misconception, right? Like, when you actually have looked at studies, that's basically an untrained person going from zero to 10 miles, and it's like, yeah, you don't expect someone that's untrained to be able to become like a computer programmer without – some probably some ego damage, not necessary physical damage, or you go from not being able to bench press 200 pounds is expecting someone to just lift a lot of heavy weights.

Lisa: Yeah. And that is actually a bit of a danger. Like I see people going on — I'm an ambassador for a race next month, my husband's running it as well. It's an 80 K, and I'm watching some of the people who have signed up in in the Stryver[52:19]  accounts and then not training and I'm like, “Oh, shoot, we're going to have carnage.” Because you need to prepare your body. Like going out and running a half marathon because you're a fit young man, and you do other stuff, you can get away with it. But that's not what like if you were to extrapolate that and go “Well, next week, I'm going to run a marathon”, well, then we'll start running into trouble because you do need a structure and build up and periodization and all those other good things, too. Because your ligament, like your cardiovascular system will do it — no worries, your ligaments and your tendons will not.

Geoffrey: Like it's not used to the pounding.

One thing that I wanted to ask about, it’s actually, I'm curious in terms of talking to folks who have done incredible endurance feats is the mindset during the bout, and I think you reflected upon it just a little bit earlier, where in the moment, there's oftentimes we're in pain, you want to stop, you want to quit. I remember a conversation with Pete Jacobs, who was an Ironman World champ, talking about trying to harken back to a notion of gratitude of love and trying to pull up that emotion as he's trying to finish some of these longer races. I'm interested in some of your mental tricks as you're doing Badwater your, your hundred miles in, it's really hot.

Lisa: You're sick and dying [laughs]

Geoffrey: I mean, autopilot survival mode. Yeah. Are you trying to recall a happy moments? Or are you more of like a David Goggins, where you trying to recall like painful hate hateful moments? Are you a Zen monk? What are your tricks?

Lisa: I've got a few tricks, definitely, and it's a bit of all of the above. The gratitude one, he's a bit of man, I find it quite hard, and at one I'm definitely a bit more David Goggins style. [laughs].

As far as, especially in my early days when I was trying to prove something and wanting to be loved and accepted basically and being okay. And so a lot of the motivation here was to prove that I could and that I was strong and that I was not useless. And that's a really — I don't care even if it's a negative motivating factor, if you like it some negative rather than the gratitude one — but it's a powerful one because you will pull out all the stops. You can hear that person's voice in your head going “You're useless.” And you're like, might be breaking down and you might be in hell pain you're going you but I cannot let that I cannot let them win, I cannot give up. And that can be a powerful force.

Now later on in my career, it became more things like doing things for a charity and especially during things for a particular person who had a disability or something, that would get me going. Because I'd be like, “Well hang on”, I've run for kids with cancer and things like that. Then you start to pull on other things, like, “I'm so grateful, I don't have cancer and get over yourself, because these kids are dying of cancer and going through chemo and all of this, and they're putting a brave face on. Get your shit together”, basically. And so you put things into perspective.

One of the couple of the other tricks I use is, if I was really in a desperate situation in a race, I'd say to myself, things like, “Okay, you've just crashed in a plane in the middle of the jungle, or the desert, or wherever you are. And you've got to run 200Ks to save your mother because she needs help. And she's stuck in that plane. Now, you're exhausted, and are you going to quit? When your mother's life depends on it? Or are you going to find the power to run another step?” And the answer was always, “I would not give up I would fight, I would find another way to take another step.” And therefore, you can do it. It's all a matter of the motivation. It's all a matter of how bad do you want this thing. And if somebody, one of your loved ones life depended on it, you can bet your bottom dollar that you would run that 200 K or that hundred mile or whatever it is, you wouldn't give up. You’d die trying, wouldn’t you?

And that when you can pull those resources out of yourself and fight through, there’s this constant battle. So when I'm running along, I'm often got this battle, what I call them, the lion and the snake and you've got the lion who's going “Come on, you can do it, you're so strong, and you're amazing, and you've got this.” And all the positive people that have been in your life represent that line, and then you've got the snake on the other side going “You’re useless, you’re never going to make this. What are you thinking? You couldn't do this, sit down, no one's going to care.” All of this sort of baggage things going on in your mind. And as the day wears on, and the nights or the days wear on, this battle gets bigger and louder and stronger. And this snake tends to get more and more control and you're just hanging on for dear life trying to not let that snake bite you.

Like when I ran through New Zealand and I had 2250 Ks ahead of me. And I've been busy, so busy with the logistics of it, I hadn't actually thought about running what it takes to run 500 Ks a week. And I got to the start line, and then all of a sudden it's set on me like an elephant and I had a panic attack. And my mum was — and this is like five minutes before I meant to start I've got all the media, I've got the crews, I've got everything right, been planning this for four months, raising money for charities, etc. And I just had a meltdown, I went over to my mum, and I'm bawling and I can't breathe and I'm having a panic attack and I go, “Mum, I can't. I can't. 2200, I can't do it and cry my eyes out.” And she like, mum’s puts them in a bear hug and she says, “Stop, stop, stop stop. I want you to think about getting to that power pole up there. That's all you have to do right now. You don't have to run 2250 Ks, you have to run to that power pole. And then we're going to get through the first half an hour. And then we're going to get to lunchtime, and then we'll see.” And by doing that she pull my focus back into the here and the now instead of projecting into the future, which was overwhelming and terrifying. And that's how we broke it down step-by-step. And there were many times along that journey with a pain was just so intense, and my body was breaking down, and I just could hardly even got to a point at one stage where I couldn't even walk without sticks. And I had to let alone run.

I managed to just keep moving forward. And all of a sudden, after two weeks, my body hit the absolute rock bottom and then it started to actually improve again, it was like — and I've heard other ultramarathoners like Charlie Engle and Raisa have crossed the Sahara. Say, it gets worse, worse, worse, worse, worse. And then you hit the rock bottom and it's almost like your body goes “Well, she hasn't quit. So we better get our shit together. We better get organized here because she's keeping going anyway, we're throwing everything at her and she's still going.” And then I actually got better and better as the whole time went on and got stronger. And by the end of that race, well that run was actually stronger than when had been in the first two weeks, which was really bizarre to understand.

Yes, these are these are some of the tricks like you know, association and disassociation, like taking yourself off to your happy place. I often go swimming with whales in my head, someplace, it's completely away from what I'm dreaming. And then if I have a crew which is some races you do, they’d be telling these stories and trying to keep my mind occupied so that I just keep out of my own body. And then other times I'll be in my body and checking in with it and saying, am I drinking enough? Have I had my electrolytes? Have I had my whatever — enough food? So, you're doing all that checklist stuff going through your head.

So, it's a combination of all these things to keep fighting through the hard moments, don't for a minute believe that you get to the Zen state of flow, and you stay there, and that's it. And you're just amazing. There are people that do. And like the guys that run the self-transcendence race, 3100 miles from New York City. That's what they're aiming for this zen state of transcending their body, I've never got there. I tried and I would have, are there moments of it, or even a couple of hours of it, we know completely in this flow state where I can even feel my body, it's like a camera, like, my eyes are like a camera, and I'm just floating through the air. But those times the short loads done fortunately for me because I haven't cracked the code. I haven't probably meditated enough to get there. But it is probably there and it's probably doable.

Geoffrey: Definitely an interesting spiritual, I think, concept I think I've tapped into very rarely as well, or just everything just feels easy. And it's like, wow, I could just do this forever. And if you can hold that, that seems like it would be a magical if you want to get tapped into that consistently.

One of the things I thought was interesting was this notion of just breaking down decomposing a large problem to smaller and smaller bits. And I think this is an adage, or a maxim that I think everyone has heard about, through teachers or stories. I think one thing that I've found through people that really live well-live lives is that you have such visceral experience, pain, scar tissue that anchors that adage to a real experience. And I think that when I step back and think about all the different — whether that's Zen Cohen, or these books with all these best practices and best tips — they're very curt, nice little encapsulated sentences, but they're really almost raisins, or all the juice behind those simple statements of “Hey, break down the marathon into just running to the next lamppost.” But someone who's never done that is like, “Oh, of course, that makes sense. I get it.” But they actually don't get it. And it sounds like you've collected so many of these adages with just truly a broad spectrum of life experiences both very, very positive, and some that are quite sad and quite unfortunate.

A kind of opening up, I mean, are there other kind of interesting adages that you just feel like you have real a depth of understanding, because you've just lived through it?

Lisa: Yeah, and you’re so right. I mean, sometimes it's a good Instagram posts that you see with little quotes, and I've used them too, and you don't actually — it's hard to convey the actual experience. And until you've actually lived through it — and these things have a real value, like breaking things down into minor chunks and keeping your focus close to you and so on. But it is hard for someone who hasn't experienced that to actually know what the hell you're talking about until you're faced with a situation. But the more you learn about the stuff, then when you are doing your next marathon ultramarathon, Geoff, you will have more of these tools already in your head and you say “Oh, Lisa said, have a go at trying this.” And then you try it out in your own body and you realize, “Hmm. This is working, I'm going to work more on this aspect of this tool.” And you do get better at things once you've actually had the experience yourself.

I did want to share one really life-changing event with your audience if I may, Geoff, just go into the story of with my mum.

Geoffrey: Please.

Lisa: Yeah, so throughout the interview, I've mentioned my mum a couple of times as being this amazing, wonderful woman and she's always supported me and all my crazy endeavours and so on, and never ever limited me in my belief of what I can do or was just an amazing woman. And she four years ago had a aneurysm which is a bleed in the brain and was rushed to hospital. We got that horrible phone call rushed up there, mum's collapsed. The ambulance driver said to the doctor, I think she's having a stroke. The doctor decided to ignore that and said “Ah, she's just having a migraine”, which was an absolute disastrous misdiagnosis, if you like. |We spent six hours in the [1:04:22] ED there, not knowing I got caught out. I didn't know what to ask for. I didn't know what was happening to her I knew she was in deep trouble in the doctor was just ignoring us. Painkillers weren't working. She was in extreme pain.

And I had a paramedic friend who crew for me on many of my races and I rang her and said, “Please can you get up here? I don't know what I don't know what to ask for. But there's something major wrong with mum.” So she came out and took one look at her and since she's having a neurological event of some sort, went and got the doctor and shook him out of his stupidity. And to get her a CT scan right now. She's having a stroke or something like that.

They took her through after six hours and had a CT scan and it came back blood right throughout the brain, aneurysm. And they didn't expect that she was going to live, it was horrific state of affairs by this time. And that experience was for me, like my mum's life's hanging in the balance. And I've been caught short not knowing what to ask for what to do and being too damn polite to push the doctors for more and it could cost of my mother her life. We had a we had another 12 hours wait for the air ambulance to come because they had to transfer her to another hospital because we live in a small town. And we didn't have the things, took 18 hours to get her into there. And in that time, and I just like, if I get a second chance to help my mum bring her back then I'll do everything in my power to to make this right.

And she had a operation, and she was in and out. She had two operations in the next couple of days. And she was in and out of a coma fighting for a life, in a critical condition, they didn't think she was going to make it. And in this time, I started to study everything about brains and aneurysms, and brain rehabilitation and everything I can possibly find on their wonderful world of the internet, Dr. Google. And I started like, I'm not going to be caught short again. And upshot of it was after three weeks, she stabilized and she was taken out of the ICU and she'd survived. But she had basically no higher function juice, she had a couple of words, but no real speech, she had no memory of who she was, what she was, or that I was her daughter, or anything like that. She had no ability to control any of your bodily functions, like massive mess of brain damage.

And after three months in the hospital, they said, “Look, she's never going to do anything again. Make her as comfortable as possible. She's 74, the brain damage is so extensive. We have to put her into a hospital level care age facility. And yeah, that’s it.” And as you might tell them quite a stubborn person, I was like, “No way am I leaving my mum in a place like that and I'm taking their home. And they said, “Look, you're not going to cope, she's 24/7, round the clock here.”

So I had a hell of a battle on my hands to get her home. And this time, I'm studying everything around, supplements for brain injury, hyperbaric oxygen therapy, sleep apnoea, all of these things that could be affecting her. And I worked out that she likely had sleep apnoea, and she was sleeping 20 hours a day anyway. The doctors ignored me again, I got an outside consultant who came in to sleep apnoea test, and it came back severe sleep apnoea. And she was knocking off her brain cells. And so we're not when we got that onto her and the CPAP machine, she started to have a little tiny bit more function. And I was like, right, what else can oxygen do?

Now I've done a lot of races or three races, sorry, at altitude in the Himalayas. And I know what it is to have oxygen deficit. And I had a situation where I'd been in one of these altitude training teams for a number of weeks, sleeping at night, and I'd been up too high at six and a half thousand meters. And I'd knocked off a lot of my brain cells and ended up with a hypoxic brain concussion myself, and ended up with infections going crazy because when your body doesn't have enough oxygen, it produces a lot a lot more bacteria and infections run wild and I was seeing this in my mum. And I'm thinking she's not getting enough oxygen despite the sleep apnoea machine and everything, what else can I do to get more oxygen? They wouldn't let me put supplemental oxygen on here. They said she didn't need it. And so I was at odds with the doctors from the get go. They were feeding her absolute crap.

Geoffrey: So I'm like, that’s basically corn syrup or something. I mean, if you look at the bags of the hospital, it's a bit of food. It's literally like corn syrup is one of the main ingredients. Kind of shocking, actually.

Lisa: It’s shopping for brain injury, actually,. [1:09:05] do you find that? No, because when you put glucose into a person who has a brain injury, it suppresses their own ketone production. And the ketones are the only things — when you have a brain injury you have a metabolic dysregulation where you can't use glucose. So, by giving someone glucose you're actually suppressing the little amount of ketones that they do have and that was all of their brain was running on and now they're giving a glucose right and Ensure and all this crappy stuff.

 

I didn't know that at that time. But this is why research is important. I now know that. I did start to put her on fish oils and a keto diet as soon as I couldn't get her out of hospital — high fats, good MCT oils and ketones, exogenous ketones, etc. Long story short, we were finally got her home, after a massive fight at the hospital to get her home. I had to get my brother who looks a bit like Dwayne Johnson to help me convince doctors to give us the resources we wanted which is just a caretaker in the morning and someone in the evening so to help with their personal cares and we got her home.

Then I've been studying hyperbaric oxygen therapy. And now this is a super powerful. People, go and research with hyperbaric is amazing for brain injury, also for gangrene and burns, diabetic wounds. They use this as a totally underutilized therapy. And I found out that this could help brain injury, I studied the work of Dr. Hatch in America, who has written The Oxygen Revolution, which is a book on hyperbaric. And I thought this is mum's chance, if I can get her a hyperbaric access to a hyperbaric chamber, I could maybe save her.

And of course, we didn't have one in our hometown or so I thought. And then I found a dive company that had one because they use these for dive accidents when divers get the beans and we have a port in a commercial dry facility. And so I approached these guys, and I said, “Can I use your facility? This is my situation.” They said, “Yep, sign a legal waiver. We know the power of hyperbaric and we know it's powerful. We'll give you access to it.” These are kind amazing people gave me access to this chamber.

So as soon as I got her out of the hospital, I took her down to this factory, strap her on a forklift and put her into this big hyperbaric chamber. Everyone thought I was completely nuts — excuse me — as you can imagine, this fragile delicate lady could hardly even sit. Stuck her in this chamber, we had two to three sessions over the next few weeks. After 33 treatments, she started to come back live, all I can say is that she started to wake up, she started to have words, she started to remember who I was, she started to move her arms. And she wasn't getting up and walking, but she was doing things. I could see a flicker of life in her eyes again. And I'm like, “Oh, my God, this is working.” And then they had to take the chamber off on a contract and I lost access to it.

So then I mortgaged the house and I bought a hyperbaric chamber, but I bought a mild one, Geoff. That only goes to 1.5 atmospheres, that was all I could get access to. But this is perfect for brain injury, actually. It’s almost as good, I'd say it's about 90% as good as what the big ones are for brain injury because you don't need the really low dips. For brain injury, you only need 1.5.

So anyway, I put it through another 250 sessions over the next couple of years and I still continue to put her through. As she started to come back, I had more to work with. So then, I studied Functional Neurology. I studied everything to get her balance and spatial awareness back. I studied nootropics, which you know a lot about. I studied the keto diet and keto and did physio with her.

So, I developed a protocol and a program basically an ADR program every day that I started to put it through as she started to come back. And I've tried to stay one step ahead of her therapy. Now I'm no doctor, but like you, Geoff, I just go hard out into the research and do deep dives and find the answer. When I don't have an answer, I go and I find somebody who knows the answer. And one of the selfish reasons I started my podcast was so that I can have amazing people like you and doctors and scientists on there so that I could get access to the best minds in the world for this thought.

Geoffrey: Don't give away our secret, right? Don't give away secrets. That's honestly one of the best perks of having a podcast it's you get the great meet great people. It's true.

Lisa: It is. It's the greatest reason to do a podcast. And so I would get these experts in different fields and I would learn from them and a lot of people helped me with different aspects that they were specialists in. And together we've created a miracle. My mum — now four years on — my mum is completely normal. She is reading, writing, walking, she walks a couple of kilometres a day. She goes to the gym six days a week. She has a full driver's license back, she's regained her peripheral vision even, all her reaction tests are back to pre-aneurysm levels. And this is 78 years old, Geoff. Like she's this, neuroplasticity in someone of this age is pretty unheard of.

I had one example of this and Dr. Norman Doidge’s book, the brain The Brain that Heals Itself, of Dr. Becky Rita, who was a scientist whose father had a brain injury, a massive stroke, and he had brought him back and he was in his early 60s and he had taught him. So I knew that somebody in the world had done what I needed to do, but they were like 14 years younger. So I had nobody really who could pave the way for me, but I had at least that sort of information.

And so now mum is a full driver's license, full power of attorney back over her life, full independence. We still work every single day. Unless I'm traveling for work, I'm working with her, pretty much five to six hours a day now. And we still have to keep the pedal to the metal, there’s a few things like her foot drags, and so on, on the right side, and she has a few issues. But I've got my mum back for crying out loud.

It's an amazing, miraculous story. And I was so amazed at this whole journey that I ended up writing a book and it’s called Relentless, it tells the story of bringing my mum back and the lessons that I took from the running. So there's a lot of the running stories in there. But it takes some of those lessons and how I applied it in this real-world situation. Because if I hadn't had that bit resilience, if I hadn't had the belief that the human body and mind are capable of far more than what the average person thinks it is, then I would have listened to the naysayers and I would have given up. But because I've seen crazy things like blind people running across the stairs [1:15:55], someone on crutches doing the marathon the sob lays that with multiple sclerosis, I've seen a dude run across the valley with one leg. I've seen people with hip replacements, people with broken back. And I know the power of the human spirit if they don't give into the naysayers.

And that's why I was so passionate to give back getting this book out because I wanted to share those mental insights plus all the protocols that I used for them, and, and give other people hope, who are going through whatever the difficult time is that they're going through whatever crisis.

Geoffrey: Yeah, it's an incredible turnaround and an incredible end result here. I mean, my understanding of the prognosis is that if you kind of miss diagnose an aneurysm for that length of time, it's, I mean, either deadly, or I think what it sounded like from your conversation with the doctors, they essentially were saying, “Hey, we're kind of giving up, she's going to be a kind of a vegetable, like, kind of a expectation – 

Lisa: That’s exactly the words they use.

Geoffrey: And then to turn around and see that now, what, 78 she's a fully —

Lisa: Fully normal

Geoffrey:  She's back. Have you gone back to the doctor? Have you tried to get like a —

Lisa: Get them to try it [laughs]

Geoffrey: have you turned this into a case study? Yeah, I think it just like — this is not even a buy in or show that, “Hey, you're wrong.” This is more of a, “Hey, this is something that a lot of people could potentially learn about to adjust a standard of care and to help improve the medical system. Right?” It's just like, what you have here is a very interesting “n equals one.”

I think the critics would say, well, it's not randomized. There's not controlled, fair enough. Fair enough. I think that's like valid critique, it's fair critique. But there's clearly some signal here. Right? There's definitely something that was anomalous in terms of the turnaround, can we actually take lessons and take protocols, and potentially get them through more of a randomized control trial to see if this replicates and across a broader population. But at least there's some signal and hope for any open minded scientist that's trying to say, “Hey, like, let's improve the current standard care.” I'm curious in terms of as you've been sharing, and working their publishing process, have you come back to the traditional standard of care practitioners, clinicians, and help them adjust potentially their standard of care?

Lisa: I've desperately tried to do that. And one of the reasons, the main reason for this book is to try to get a movement around this because everybody who's going through any sort of brain injuries is facing the same problems, whether it been on a lesser scale or like this.

And what I found is there are so many amazing doctors in the USA and unfortunately, they're in the USA. People like Dr. Hatch, I had a Doctor Kabran Chapek on my podcast two weeks ago, who I highly recommend for your show, actually, and he has written a book called Concussion Rescue. And I was reading just the chapter titles as I first got this and going, “Holy shit. This is exactly the protocol I've used.” And it's been put into a book by a doctor, thank god! And I was absolutely ecstatic to have him on the show. And he ratified all the things that I had been through, and he is desperately trying to get this information out there because this is relevant for people with dementia and Alzheimer's, just as much as it has relevance for stroke in aneurysm victims and concussion victims.

This is right across the board information for brain health. And so I have failed in the local doctor level. But I'm starting to be asked to speak at medical conferences. I've just been invited to speak at the world [1:19:39] outside mother and dementia conference. And I'm hoping that that will actually happen because I'm desperate for the doctors to understand the limitations in our system. And a lot of it is a lack of resources and it's also sort of institutionalized ways of thinking and the siloed ways of thinking.

And now there's some major Doctors like Dr. Chapek, but also like Dr. Mark Hyman, David Perlmutter — Dr. Perlmutter, and Dr. Austin Perlmutter, and they're putting these protocols together now, and they're putting them in the mainstream. I don't know if you've heard of the Broken Brain series by Dr. Mark Hyman, and Dhru Purohit, from Broken Brain, the podcast, and the work that they're doing, that type of information is starting to now permeate through. But it's so slow, as you know, even in this day and age with social media and the power or all this. I am one voice, I am one story. And the doctors who generally go “There's not it's not relevant, there's no clinical studies.” We didn't have spec scans. We weren't because we didn't have access to any of that to categorize, to see this process. So I don't have any proof except the videos that I took, my little amateur iPhone videos that I took all the way through this process. And I'll send you a little, just a two-minute clip, Geoff that you might want to put in the notes. And you'll see mum going from not being able to sit properly to mum being able to do a little 50 metre run and they can see for themselves that that transformation. And it's unfortunately very amateurish, and very, iPhone family videos. And that's all I've got is proof, the rest is just my anecdotal stories.

But I'm hoping that I can add my voice to the movement, I can add my voice to those of like Dr. Hyman and co, who are changing this world, and even what you're doing in the nootropics space. This isn't just about brain injury, but optimal brain performance in the keto space. That information is you combine a keto diet with hyperbaric and nootropics, and you got a combination for a great healing potential with brains?

Geoffrey: Yeah, I think that's what's exciting. There's clearly much more to be understood and much more science to be done. And I think this is how, if you get a look at the history of science, who knows if the Newton's story of an apple falling on his head, made him think about gravity, but it's just these observations, these interesting signals that guide us towards testing and understanding and making good hypotheses and testing them. And I think that, especially in this faceting and turnaround story, it's clearly signal here. And it's clearly, it sounds like it's being replicated across other folks who have been going through similar protocols.

And it's okay, hopefully, we can have this body of evidence that build momentum to hopefully change standard of care. And I think that's like a hold. I think, ultimately, what we all want to hear, it's not like, I don't think you have like a dogmatic reason to make something up. But just like, “Okay, this really helped my mum, other people should know about it.”And yes, if people want more evidence, and let's run the studies, people want to try something because they're desperate, here's a potential option. I think that's ultimately what I believe it's like, the world's going to bend towards truth. And if we can accelerate us, like the humanity as a whole, to get to truth faster, because it will help more people. I'm all about that.

Lisa: Exactly. And this is what the power of the day and age that we're living with these podcasts and in all the research that is now becoming available, we're starting to see the power of  just people movement — this is a movement of the people to start to change the systems. And this is not to, we had a discussion on our show about some failings in the system, and we're not pointing the finger at any one particular person here.

But what I want people to take away from the story is take ownership of your own health. Research. Even if you're not science nerds, like Geoff, and I, go and find the research, do your due diligence. People spend more time buying a car and researching the car than they will for their own health. And for me, that's ridiculous. You know, instead of just taking somebody's word for it, your local doctor’s word for it, that this particular drug is going to fix all your woes, how about just looking a little bit deeper and finding out your own research and taking ownership of your own health and then implementing some good basic healthy structures to your diet, your nutrition, your exercise regimes, the things that we know work for a start.

And then we can't wait. I could not wait with mum’s situation for the clinical trials to come through. I had to weigh the risks. And I did play doctor and a lot of cases, I had to weigh the risks and make educated decisions. And a lot of it was like, “Well, what's the alternative? The alternative is she's going to die very soon.” So it was that much of a desperate situation that I was willing to take some risks to get some something back.

And I've been criticized immensely for a lot of stuff that I did and for pushing my mum so hard and putting her through a torturous regime of training. But I believe it no matter how old you are – whether your 5 or your 105 – people need challenge. They need goals, they need things to be working towards. When we make older people are treasured valued older citizens who should be treasured in our society and who often aren't, when we make them feel like your past your useful day and you're no longer useful. And we just want to make you comfortable because that's what we do as humans, but we're not going to actually treat you like as a person with a history and a story and wisdom to share. And it’s terribly patronizing and horrific.

And I come from the Maori culture in New Zealand, where our elders are very respected and loved and revered for their wisdom. And unfortunately, that's not the general society that I live in. It's within my culture, but not within the wider New Zealand culture and I believe in other places as well. We have this attitude, “Well, you use your past, you're used by dates.”And certainly when it comes to resources and medical funding, I had to fight like crazy for the resources because she was an older adult. And for me, that's we've got to do better. We've got to do better. And we've got to respect our elders. They're the ones who made us who we are and we we’re all heading there, we're all getting older. Do you want to be treated like that? Ask yourself, is that what you want for yourself? For your loved ones? Then, we've got to do better and our standard of care, I think for older people. And that's a completely different topic. I could rant on about, too.

Geoffrey: Absolutely. I think the title of the book, Relentless, very apt title. Not just in terms of the relentlessness in terms of taking care of your mum, but also just your life story, just not stopping, being relentless. And it sounds like you have a number of projects going on all the time.

So what's in store for you in 2020? For the folks follow what you're up to? Where do what are some of the upcoming projects they're really excited about in 2020 and onwards?

Lisa: Yeah, look, I’m really excited from a business perspective. So, we're doing deep dives and we teach already epigenetic testing and do that with our clients. And now we have an online run training program. So we're expanding that and growing our business, from that point of view. We're looking at a couple of Venture Capital Partners and going into the pro aging space and looking into developing programs around piecing together some of the pieces of the puzzle we already have in place with our epigenetics and DNA testing and supplements, and so on.

So we're not quite sure where these negotiations and things are going to take us. But it's really exciting times for us as a company, and we're starting to expand and grow quite fast in and it's bringing its challenges with it as well, as you would well know. And it's exciting times for me on that front. So I'm not doing any long distance running myself personally anymore because I have to look after my mum seven days a week and run these other companies. So that combination is enough for me to cope with at the moment.

And that's okay, we all have times in life where sometimes I catch myself going oh, I’m a has-been, I can't do it anymore. And then I’m like, “Pull yourself together, you've got a mission now. You're on another mission and that requires sacrifice and that sacrifices I can't go off and expeditions at the moment and do more crazy stuff.” But that's okay, I've done enough. And my body certainly said to me a few times I've had enough. So yeah, really excited for the time of the day and age that we're living in, in getting to network with people like you is just gold. It really is. I really love this sort of stuff, just it inspires me to keep going.

Geoffrey: A hundred percent. Well, I can't think of a better note to end on. So Lisa, really, again, I had a lot of fun on your podcast and equally as if not more fun, actually just listen to your story, reinvigorated, re inspired, of what we're doing what you're doing.

So thank you for taking the time. We have to get in touch in person and maybe do a little bit of a light ultramarathon together.

Lisa: Absolutely. I would love to train you out for one. Anytime you need some help and structure and coaching, reach out to us. And  I hope now that we will stay connected Geoff because I really admire the work you do on this podcast. I love listening to all your interviews, it's some gold and here. And I just love being around, inspiring and inspirational people who are out there empowering other people and doing what they love.

So I think we'll stay connected for sure and I'd love to invite you to New Zealand at some stage when you want a holiday, so let me know.

Geoffrey: Alright. I'll hold you to that. All right, thank you so much.

Lisa: Thanks!

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Episode Highlights [02:32] Why Athletic Performance Drops as We Age
  • The main cause of athletic performance decline is mitochondrial decline. Mitochondrial decline is linked to senescence cells. 
  • Senescence cells stop dividing and do nothing. As we age, we may have 5-20% senescence cells in different tissues. 
  • This causes inflammation and causes the mitochondria to function improperly, thus increasing reactive oxygen species within cells. 
  • Nuclear DNA is usually packed in histones, which preserve genetic material. However, mitochondrial DNAs lack histones, making it prone to oxidative stress and mutations.   
  • As we age, our epigenetic processes become less efficient; it becomes a vicious cycle with more reactive oxygen species and less capacity to deal with them. 
[08:23] How Else Do Our Bodies Respond to Ageing
  • Ageing declines autophagy, which recycles cellular organelles. 
  • When there’s nothing to clean up dysfunctional mitochondria, problems with energy generation arise.
  • Athletes who have exercised intensely their whole life will have worn-off tissues and lactic acid buildup. 
  • Remember, exercise is good, since we want some level of oxidative stress; however, we don’t want more oxidative stress than what our body can cope with. 
  • Lisa shares how running ultramarathons accelerated her ageing process, wear and tear, and inflammation. 
[12:29] How to Support Autophagy and Athletic Performance? 
  • Intermittent fasting is when people have a certain feeding window a day. After eating, mTOR switches off and AMPK is activated which allows for autophagy.  
  • If you want to build muscle, Dr. Elena recommends eating after exercising so you can activate mTOR which helps with muscle growth.   
  • You need to create a cycle going of mTOR and AMPK since autophagy recycles cells back into amino acids, which can help cells build new proteins. 
  • Don’t create a feeding window that’s too narrow; you need to have enough fuel for your body. Eat chicken, meat, and foods rich in amino acids. 
  • Make sure you're sleeping properly, as this can affect your muscle growth. 
[18:30] Supplements to Support Autophagy and Longevity
  • You can also support autophagy through supplements like berberine. 
  • Dr. Elena recommends adding supplements to specifically target senescence cells. Senolytics help kill senescence cells while senomorphics modify the senescence cells. 
  • Quercetin added with Vitamin C can help kill senescence cells. By itself, quercetin can produce toxic metabolites, so it needs Vitamin C to serve as an antioxidant. 
  • She also recommends taking their quercetin product with NAC and acetylcysteine to boost glutathione, a potent antioxidant. 
  • Quercetin has many benefits including anti-inflammatory properties, and can be used to combat cardiovascular disease, fight seasonal allergies, and can fight cancer.    
[26:51] How to Take Quercetin
  • Quercetin can be found naturally in fruits and vegetables like strawberries and onions. 
  • If you’ve never taken compounds for their senescent action before, start by taking quercetin at 500 mg every day. After a month of taking it, check in on how you feel. 
  • You can also implement detox protocols with a higher dosage of quercetin(around 2 - 2 ½ grams). If you want to implement this protocol, start with 5 days first. 
  • Quercetin can be combined with 500mg of chlorella to boost the detoxifying reaction.
  • People with kidney diseases should consult with a doctor before taking quercetin.  
[32:43] How NMN Can Help Athletes 
  • In addition to mitochondrial decline, athletes can experience loss of endurance and muscle loss as they age. 
  • Dr. Elena recommends increasing your fasting window depending on your goals. 
  • You want more oxygenation in your tissues to preserve endurance and muscle. 
  • Dr. Elena offers an NMN product that can increase both endurance and prevent age-related muscle loss.   
  • This can help increase insulin sensitivity, activating longevity genes and DNA repair. 
[36:37] How to Optimise NMN 
  • NMN functions optimally when it’s attached to a methyl group. Unfortunately, our body’s methylation process also declines with age. 
  • NMN should be paired with TMG, as it is a rich methyl donor. 
  • When you combine NMN, TMG, and quercetin, you’ll optimise your performance and endurance.
[39:11] Longevity is Your Biological Age, Not Your Chronological Age
  • Many people over 40 are insulin resistant. Insulin resistance is a gateway to biological decline. 
  • You can check your insulin resistance by checking your waist to hip ratio. 
  • After the age of 40, it’s much easier to experience hormonal dysfunction. 
  • We need to make a conscious effort to improve our health. Ageing can cause issues to spiral if left uncontrolled.  
[42:50] Be Careful With Your Food
  • 80% of adults in the west are insulin resistant. 
  • The food industry worsens the condition by offering so many processed carbohydrates. 
  • Many people have false ideas about what a healthy diet is. You can’t have too many carbohydrates and sugar, even if they’re coming from fruits. 
  • Cut down on carbohydrates, avoid processed foods, and take good oils. 
[45:21] Start with the Basics
  • Start with the basics. You don’t need to add supplements immediately. 
  • Just eat clean and good food. There’s no such thing as a universal diet. 
  • Taking cold showers in the morning can improve hormonal balance. You can start with just 10 seconds of cold exposure. 
  • Manage your stress levels and make sure you move regularly. 
  • You don’t need to be perfect. 
[50:47] How Some People Live to 100 
  • There were two hypotheses surrounding centenarians: good habits and the absence of high-risk genes. However, some centenarians were found to have bad habits and mutations for Alzheimer’s disease. 
  • Centenarians have genes that mitigate risks from bad mutations. They also have low IGF 1 levels. 
  • When people are young, IGF 1 can improve muscle and tissue growth, but it can be harmful when people grow older.
  • Centenarians’ genetic combination allowed for IGF to decrease as they grow older. Listen to the episode to learn more about how centenarians’ hormonal processes are being regulated.
  • Commit to regularly regulating and balancing your hormones. This process starts with clean food, caloric restriction, and exercise.    
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Dr. Elena Seranova is a scientist, serial entrepreneur, and business mentor. She has now founded multiple innovative biotechnological businesses. She first studied at the University of Ioannina with a major in Psychology. Dr. Elena then started a private practice before developing an interest in neuroscience.

Dr. Elena continued her studies and earned her Master’s Degree in Translational Neuroscience at the University of Sheffield. She now also holds a Doctorate Degree in Stem Cell Biology and Autophagy from the University of Birmingham.

Dr. Elena’s expertise in these fields led her to co-found the biotech start-up SkyLab Bio. She has written several peer-reviewed articles on autophagy.

Her latest business is NMN Bio. Her own experiences with supplements have inspired her to expand the market to include cutting-edge anti-ageing supplements. NMN Bio reaches New Zealand, the UK, and Europe.

Dr. Elena found her passion for drug discovery and autophagy. She has endeavoured to share this with the public through her research and work as an entrepreneur. 

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[REPLAY] Personalised Health: Looking at Different Health Types and Genetics with Dr Cam McDonald24 May 202201:13:10
Many popular diets and exercise crazes assume that they're going to work on everyone who tries them. However, every human being is unique. Health isn't one-size-fits-all. What works for one person may not work for you — it might even be detrimental! That's why we need to personalise our health programs to suit different body types.

Dr Cam McDonald joins us in this episode to discuss the importance of understanding your biology to personalise your health program. He talks about the role of genetics and epigenetics in determining your bodies' specific tendencies towards stress and food. We also delve into the different body types and what diets and exercises are most suitable for each one.

Tune into this episode if you want to learn more about personalising your health program based on your genetic make-up.

 

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Here are three reasons why you should listen to the full episode:
  1. Learn why personalisation is important in creating a health program for different body types.
  2. Discover the role of genetics and epigenetics in determining your body’s specific tendencies.
  3. Find out what kinds of food and activities are most suitable for different body types.

 

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Episode Highlights [01:31] Why Personalisation Is Key
  • Every individual is different, but we keep applying the same health approaches to everyone. 
  • Misalignment between the body and its environment causes diseases.
  • Personalising your health helps you align yourself with your environment. 
[06:45] The Science of Chronobiology
  • Chronobiology is how our biology interacts with time. 
  • Examples of chronobiological processes are our circadian rhythm, menstrual cycle, and ageing.
  • Our bodies have a rhythm that follows along with sunlight. 
  • When people are active at night, it disrupts their system. This disruption creates hormonal irregularities, leading to diseases. 
  • Listen to the full episode to learn more about chronobiological processes and how they affect our health.
[18:24] The Genetic and Epigenetic Component of Circadian Rhythms
  • People have different chronotypes which are based on when their bodies can tolerate stress.
  • Some people are ‘Activators’. Their bodies respond best to adrenal systems. In turn, they have energy that matches their strength throughout the day. 
  • ‘Diplomats’ have bodies that respond better to their digestive and nervous systems. These people are more at risk for fluid retention, tiredness, and weight gain.
  • Muscle and fat production relies on the hormones stimulated by food and exercise. 
[27:50] About Food Timing
  • ‘Crusaders’ have bodies that are neurally-driven and are not prone to obesity.
  • Because Crusaders are more likely to lose muscle, they are recommended to eat several small meals per day.
  • ‘Guardians’ have thick joints and big muscles. However, they also have the greatest capacity to store fat.
  • Guardians are recommended to have two meals per day (breakfast and lunch) and a very light, if not non-existent, dinner.
[38:41] Intermittent Fasting for Crusaders and Guardians
  • Because Crusaders are always on the edge of their fuel supply, intermittent fasting will impact their stress levels more. 
  • Crusaders should only do one day of intermittent fasting per week.
  • Guardians, however, can go for extended periods of fasting because their rhythms are slower. 
  • Being in a peaceful environment helps manage stress levels and makes intermittent fasting more tolerable.
  • Intermittent fasting and autophagy do not necessarily work for all. 
[45:08] More About the Guardian Body Type
  • Because Guardians have strong and resilient bodies, they’re more likely to survive if there were a lack of food supply. 
  • A Guardian’s body is that way because in nature, they protect their community.
  • ‘Sensors’, another ectomorph body type like the Crusaders, prefer nutrient-dense foods like vegetables.
  • Guardians, however, like high-calorie foods more because they provide a feeling of safety.
[54:48] Dominant Hormones for Different Body Types
  • The dominant hormone for Guardians is prolactin—a ‘caring’ hormone.
  • Diplomats search for a balance in serotonin—a hormone that you get as a reward for pleasurable things. This makes them assess an activity carefully if it’s going to be rewarding. 
  • Activators search for adrenaline, so they always want excitement and action.
  • Crusaders' dominant hormone is dopamine, which creates drive and focus.
  • Listen to the full episode to learn more about the different body types (like ‘Connectors’ and ‘Sensors’) and their dominant hormones.

 

7 Powerful Quotes from This Episode

‘We know that everyone's different, but then when we go to actually doing the thing, we apply the average, or we apply what we think is appropriate thinking that everybody else is the same. So we have this disconnect between knowledge and action.’

‘The mind is also on a clock of its own. Essentially, if you're exercising at the wrong time, you set up the wrong kinds of hormones, then you can actually create complete stasis in your health.’

‘There’s a full continuum of where people are. This is based on not just their wants to wake up. . . it’s actually as to when a body can tolerate stress, and how that stress should be placed on them.’

‘Whether you put muscle or fat tissue on, it's actually not to do with your food or your exercise, it's got to do with the hormones that those foods and exercise stimulate.’

‘It's not a one size fits all when you hear everybody talking about intermittent fasting or doing these things—autophagy, inhibiting mTOR, and all those sorts of things.’

'The reason that their (Guardians') body is built the way it is is [because] when we go through famine as a community, their body goes into conservation. They essentially start growing, or they start slowing down their metabolism so that they can provide food for everybody else.'

‘If you put your body in the right environment, get the right foods, eat at the right times of the day, work and do your mental stuff, you'll get health and you'll get optimal performance and you'll get longevity.’

 

About Dr Cam McDonald

Dr Cam McDonald has spent the last decade furthering his knowledge and skills to promote health in an easy and obvious way for people in all areas of life. He’s a dietitian and exercise physiologist, with a long-standing personal passion for health, genetics and environmental influences. His goal is to support all people to live up to their full physical potential.

Dr Cam has a firm focus on people becoming more aware of themselves, their natural strengths and their optimal behaviours for their best health. He is an informed speaker who has a passion for health and the inspiration to do something about it.

Want to know more about Dr Cam’s work? Check out his website or follow him on Instagram and Linkedin. You can also reach him through email (cam.mcdonald1@gmail.com) or phone (0411380566).

 

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Full Transcript of The Episode

Welcome to Pushing The Limits, the show that helps you reach your full potential with your host Lisa Tamati, brought to you by lisatamati.com.

Lisa Tamati: Hi, everyone and welcome back to Pushing The Limits this week. Today I have another very special guest, also a repeat offender on the show: Dr Cam McDonald, who is the CEO of ph360 in Australia. He is a exercise physiologist, as well as a nutritionist. This guy's a bit of an overachiever, as are many of my guests, It might add. And Dr Cam has spent the last decade furthering his knowledge and skills so as to promote health in a way that makes it easy and obvious for his clients. So Dr Cams blends his background as a dietitian and exercise physiologist with his long standing personal interest in health, and his passion for understanding the latest research in genetics, and environmental influence on health. Now, Dr Cam is one of my teachers, and he is a mind full of information on the way your genes and how your genes are expressing. So today we're going to be talking about all about genes, again, personalized health, how you can tailor things to your personal situation and your personal life. 

Before we go over to the show, I just want to remind you, if you want to check out our Epigenetics Program, please go to lisatamati.com, hit the Work with Us button and then you'll see all of our programs. And one of those is our epigenetics health optimisation program, which is all based on your genetics. And so you can understand and learn how to optimise your potential, your health, your performance, your diet, your exercise regime, and so much more. So check that out, especially after listening to this podcast, you're gonna want to check that out. So make sure you go to lisatamati.com, hit the Work with Us button and check out our epigenetics program.

I'd also like you to check out our running program, if you are a runner out there and you haven't got a coach and you don't know where to go and you haven't got a structure. Maybe you're doing your first five K's, maybe you're just starting out, maybe doing 100 miler, I don't care, we take them all. We do customize, personalized plans, based on your needs, your lifestyle, your injuries, your goals, and make that specifically for you. We also do a full video analysis to help you improve your form. And you get a one on one consult with me. And then ongoing support with the team. So please check that out. Check out the package, runninghotcoaching.com. runninghotcoaching.com is the place to go to, there. And check out our running program. Right now over to the show with Dr Cam McDonald for a very exciting interview.

Lisa Tamati: Well, hi everyone and welcome back to Pushing The Limits. I'm super excited to have you here with me again. Today, I have another superstar, Dr Cam McDonald, all the way from Australia. And he is one of our mentors and teachers here. He is the CEO of ph360.me. So people are listening out there, you've probably heard one or two episodes where we've talked about genetics and epigenetics and how to understand your genes. Well, that's what we're going to be talking about today. And Dr Cam is an absolute expert on this. So welcome to the show, Dr Cam. 

Dr Cam McDonald: Thanks, Lisa.

Lisa: Great to have you again.

Dr Cam: It's great to be here. It's been a long time between chats, but there's been an awful lot of interaction between. It's always been great.

Lisa: Yes, so you're our repeat offender on the show. But I think it was a good couple of years ago now. So I mean, meanwhile, we've dived deep into the world of epigenetics with you and learned from you and learned a ton of stuff. Way overdue that we had this conversation and started to share a little bit of your knowledge and the amazing things that we can now do with genetics and understanding how we run. 

So everything in regards to epigenetics and genetics is all about personalising everything to your specific set of genes. And this has really been a game-changer for us personally and professionally, for our athletes, for people that we're working with, in the corporate setting and everything because everything should be personalised now, shouldn't it? Should we start there? I think that's a good place. Why is personalisation key?

Dr Cam: Yes, I mean there's a number of reasons why we definitely should be personalising. But the first is that we actually have the knowledge now, that's one thing. We have an understanding of how we can actually do this. I guess for our long history, and I guess for the history of the people that are alive, the people listening to this right now, we always know innately, ‘I'm different to that person’. 

But then, when we go to recommendations. And when we go to how we go about our life, whether it be the job that we're sitting in, it's like, ‘You have to do this job in this way’ or ‘You can't do that great. We'll get someone else to do this job this way’. Like you must do this job this way. You must, ‘Oh, you're going to get fit? Great? You go to this gym, and you do this boot camp. Everyone goes to this boot camp because that's what is going to be great for everyone because the latest science says this’. 

And when it comes to food, it's like ‘You should definitely do this because this is what the average of everyone should do’. And so we know that everyone's different. But then when we go to actually doing the thing, we apply the average or we apply what we think is appropriate thinking that everybody else is the same. So we have this disconnect between knowledge and action. 

And so why we need to? I guess what we know now is that the timing of your food, the timing of your exercise, the type of exercise or foods that you're consuming, the type of work that you're doing, the types of interactions that you're having, if you don't get that right, it creates disease. If you align your body with its environment, then your body goes into a healing and recovery state, and you get healthier. But if you misalign, and that can just be getting up at the wrong time, and we see this with shift workers all the time—the longer that they do shift work, the more likely they are to die prematurely. 

And this is when you get a misalignment with the body and the environment. But the really incredible thing is now, it's not just that we all should avoid shift work, it's rather that some people are going to be better suited to it than others. And when it comes to every other domain of life, there's going to be something that is great for one person. Like a big Gatorade is going to be the best thing ever for a runner during their race for it’s in the mean of best thing ever, and I'm not attached to Gatorade as a brand. 

But let's say that you have some sort of electrolyte fluid as a drink. And that's going to be fantastic for a marathon runner 30K's in versus a person who's been sitting on the couch for the last six years and has a significant waist circumference and diabetes. 

Lisa: Disaster.

Dr Cam: That drink is diabolical.  And so, when we start thinking about personalisation, we start thinking about, well, ‘What's going to help this person align and perform’? Because if you misalign, it creates disease. So that's another motivation. 

And then I guess, as I started, we now have the understanding of how people are different, what people need to do about it, and we've got some really wonderful results on if we apply that to these individuals, they're going to get a great result for themselves. It's now the time that we can act on this innate knowledge that we've always had but do it in a very intelligent way.

Lisa: And do it in a very structured way. A great example of this is that the whole fitness industry was really run by people with a certain type of genetic combinations. And so we trained, and I belong in that group, and you belong in that particular group. We train people we like to train and how we see benefits. We see benefits from the way that we train—high-intensity workouts and getting up early and training. Well, that suits you and me, right, Dr Cam? Because we're very close on the epigenetics wheel, if you like, have similar genetic makeup. So that works for us. Whereas it doesn't work for someone on the other side, so who's more that of the endomorph type of body. 

So I've used this example before, but my husband, I used to make him get up at five or six in the morning and do a CrossFit workout when he's what they call a Diplomat. And now in that terms, which means he has a different set of genetics, basically, that is not suited to getting up at that time and doing that type of workout.  Both are wrong for him. From a chronobiological perspective, he should be in bed because his testosterone, his hormones are doing their thing at that time in the morning. So that was a problem. 

Number two, I had him doing a type of exercise that was wrong for his body type. His ATP doesn't replace as quickly, and his cells are doing back-to-back sets just seem to map on a stress reaction. So his cortisol would be up, and then it would be up for the rest of the day. And what have I done to my poor husband? I've made him actually put on weight and not get further and feel like crap all day. So whereas for me, that same class, that same set of exercises, that same time of the day, perfect, and I'm good to go, and I'm really rearing to go. So that just gives you a little bit of an example. 

So today, let's look at chronobiology because this is all about at the timings of when to do what. So can you explain what the science of chronobiology is, Dr Cam, and how it applies in this situation?

Dr Cam: Yes, absolutely. So chronobiology is how our biology interacts with time. And we know about this because we all get older—that's a chronobiological effect, is that we get older. But what's really interesting as well is that within because of the sun, and it's showing its face every day or so. It comes along at about 6 am and then leaves at about 6 pm whatever it might be. Because we've been living on this planet with this big stimulant from the sky, essentially our bodies have got adapted to things happening in a rhythm. 

And so, it's just like we wake up, and then we go to bed, we wake up and then, that's a daily rhythm. We have a menstrual cycle. We have ovulation. We go through the menstrual period, and that happens on a 30-day cycle. We then have our early life. We have our middle age, and we have our later life. That's another cycle. 

Even a yearly cycle as well, we have  the circannual cycle. And so, we have seasons. So winter, it gets colder, and our body does different things. And so, essentially, now that we understand that we got these different patterns of time that are occurring, our body is constantly responding to cues from the outside. 

And so where this work first came about was they started looking at shift workers instead of wondering why all of these people were getting so much more cardiovascular disease, diabetes. And they found that if you're waking up at night, and you're getting lots of light, and you're getting food at night as well—all of those things, tell your body, ‘Hey, you should be awake’. And so it wakes the body up. 

But you've got this momentum of a cycle that's coming from generations of being exposed to the sun and sleeping at night, and all of our physiological systems are actually setting up for us to sleep at night and rest and recover and do a whole lot of things that definitely don't require doing heavy work or digesting food as much. And so we get this disruption. We get things happening and things being signalled to the body that shouldn't be signalled at that time, which creates irregularity in the hormones that flow through our body. Our cortisol, our melatonin, our testosterone levels, our adrenal levels—all of those things get shifted out of whack when we give ourselves an artificial time input. So we want to—essentially, the first and foremost, the first thing that we gauge what time it is is what amount of light we have. 

Lisa: How much light, yes.

Dr Cam: Yes, and then when we get—when the sun comes up in the morning, it sets off this cascade of wakefulness. It takes us from dead asleep to awake in a very short period of time. There's a big hormonal shift that occurs to make that happen, and it maps into sunlight. And so, as we go through the day, we have this homeostatic drive of ‘The longer that I'm awake, the more I want to go to sleep’. That's a natural thing that we have. The more that you run, the more that you want to stop is another way of thinking about this one. So we have this—as the day goes on, you get more tired. 

And we then also have these rhythmical changes. Essentially, it's not the homeostatic drive for tiredness, but the circadian drive of tiredness, and you'll have peaks in your day, or maybe in the afternoon, you're firing. Other people are really, really tired that they wake back up at night. Some people are really energised in the morning. We have all of these different things that are happening throughout the day as well. So to simplify all of this, our body is designed to rouse with early morning light or rears with light. We then are meant to—essentially, our body is searching for the rhythm that suits our body. 

And what's really interesting, if you take light away from somebody—and I know I'm jumping all over the place, but I will bring this all together. So if you take light away from somebody. A great guy did an experiment on this way back in the day. He sat in a cave for a couple of months and with no changes in light at all, just exactly the same ambient light the whole time. And what happened was, his rhythm went to 24 and a half hours for a daily period. So what happens is, if we were to not have any sunlight input, we would run on a 24 and a half-hour cycle. And the was out of sync by a few days after a couple of months. 

Lisa: After a couple of months.

Dr Cam: He actually—and he thought it was only a month that passed, it was two months that passed. His time really—oh no he thought it was three months that passed. It was only a couple months because time really slowed down. And so what we know is that inside our body, we have a rhythm. 

Lisa: Yes. 

Dr Cam: But that gets reset every day with the sunlight. And so, and it actually keeps us on track with the hormones that have been flowing as a result of that sunlight. So sunlight is one time giver. And if we disrupt that, it creates lots of disease in that shift work. Not only does your waist circumference get bigger the more shift work you do, all of the risks—cancer, diabetes, heart disease—increases the longer you do shift work. 

Lisa: Wow. Wow.

Dr Cam: And what we see is if you disrupt a body for three days with bright light at night, they start looking like they get diabetes. Their insulin resistance changes. 

Lisa: Instantly?

Dr Cam: Within a few days, you can start disrupting these cycles of hormones, which makes your body say, ‘Well, there's something wrong with this environment. Why am I awake at a time where I shouldn't be? Well, there must be something wrong. Therefore, I'm going to start conserving. I'm going to start going into a stressed state so that I can escape and protect myself’, and diabetes is just the ultimate protection—starvation protection that makes you gain weight very easily. And so, after a few days, four days, you can actually start seeing some changes in metabolism if you're out of sync with your sleep alone, then four days to correct it. So you can actually get back on track very quickly. 

Now, light isn't the only time giver, there is also heat that you have in your body. Food is also a time giver. Exercise is also a time giver. And so if you eat regularly at the same time each day, your body will start falling into a rhythm of ‘I expect food’, and this is what happens when you change your diet. Some people go from six meals a day to two. Let's say they're doing some fasting or something like that. They'll be really, really hungry at the times that they were eating when they're doing six meals a day for about a week. 

Then what happens is each cell in our body has its own timekeeper as well. The master clock is coming from the sunlight, and then each tissue in our body has its own timekeeper. And so our gut takes about a week to correct itself, and then it starts getting on track with the new routine, and so then, it starts setting up for the new routine. Therefore food, it gives time to the body, it actually gives the schedule. And along with that food intake comes insulin release, hormone release, all of those types of things. 

But then the really important thing we need to consider is if you don't stimulate the body at the right time to get the right hormonal outflow, you start going into disease. And so, if you're eating food at the wrong time, you're stimulating these hormones just as if you were not sleeping at the right time. If you're exercising at the wrong time. Let’s some bodies are really, really well adept at tolerating stress in the morning. If you exercise, that's a stress. 

Lisa: Yep.

Dr Cam: You give your body that ‘Stress is coming now’. And if you do that regularly, your body's gonna say, ‘Okay, stress is coming now’. It prepares itself, and it deals with it quite well. But then if you take a night owl, and you give them that same stress in the morning, it gives them the time of stress in the morning, but their body is not set up for stress at that time of day. And so they start trying to compensate later through weight gains, like ‘I spent all of this energy at the time that I didn't want to. I wasn't set up for it, so I'm going to have to conserve my energy because something's wrong’. 

Lisa: That’s what I was doing to the husband.

Dr Cam: Yes, absolutely. So what you see in a practical sense—and I'll just say one more thing as well, that the mind is also on a clock of its own. And essentially, if you're exercising at the wrong time, you set up the wrong kinds of hormones, and you can actually create complete status in your health. As in it doesn't get any better even though you're working really, really hard or can sometimes take you backwards. 

And we're seeing this with some diabetes now is really high-intensity exercise in the morning, in some studies is indicating worsened blood sugar levels at the end of the day because everybody goes into survival of ‘Oh, this environment is really stressful’. So where you position things in your day…

Lisa: It’s crucial.

Dr Cam: ...sets a rhythm. But if that rhythm doesn't align with what your body needs in order to be in its best health, then it creates disease. And that disease, obviously, tracks down pathways of compensation and stress, and you end up with a body that has been getting up eating five meals per day, has been doing the early morning exercise, just like your husband. 

Lisa: Yes. They’re getting nothing out of it.

Dr Cam: And because they’re putting stress out in the morning, they're giving them too much insulin response throughout the day because their bodies just not designed to get five hits of it throughout the day. Some bodies are, some bodies are.

Lisa: Yes.

Dr Cam: After 12 weeks, they've gained a kilo and got a bad knee. And they're wondering, ‘What the hell is going on’?

Lisa: And they've been a super disciplined person getting up. And I mean, just to give you a couple of examples of the set of my life because I like to put things into stories.

Dr Cam: Yes, please.

Lisa: So that people actually get the science. Six months ago I went through this terrible time with my dad, who was unfortunately dying and passed away in July. In the 16 days that we were in the hospital battling for his life, I was round the clock with him. Now my blood sugar levels went through the roof. So afterwards, I was showing like diabetic levels of blood sugars—fasting blood sugars because I was so out of whack and so stressed alongside of it. And it took me a good two to three months for me to get my body back into rhythm. So that was just 16 days of sleep deprivation, being up all night, hardly any food, in this case, was actually sharp throwing my blood sugar's up through the roof and the stress hormones that were coming out. So that's a really extreme example. And obviously, that was for a specific purpose. 

And I've seen this also with ultramarathons that I've done, that I've been going for days on end. You would think that a person who was exercising 24/7, around the clock, sort of thing for not seven, but let’s say two, three days, that they would lose massive amounts of weight, and so on. And I would actually put on weight when I did ultramarathon. So I typically lose it initially, and then I would have all this weight gain. And then I would have this response. And within a month, I would be usually heavier than when I started, which was really frustrating. 

Dr Cam: Yes.

Lisa: So this stuff matters, and this stuff is really, really important. And I've done podcast episodes already on circadian rhythms in regards to light and why we need to block out blue light at night time because, again, that's giving us a signal to stay awake and stopping our melatonin production. 

And the example there with the cortisol, right? We want cortisol. We want these stress hormones at the right times of the day. So there is also a genetic component to this. And this is where, what we do at ph360, and what we find out in the programme that we run is looking at your specific genes in relation to circadian rhythms. Can you explain a little bit?

So why is it for my husband that if he gets up at 5 am and does that, that's not good for him? Whereas for my body type, that's not so bad?

Dr Cam: Yes, sure. So when we're talking about this, there is a genetic component, and I guess what we're going to be talking about today and what we've kind of alluded to is that there's also an epigenetic component. And so when we talk about chronotypes, and whether someone's an early bird, a night owl, or an intermediate type, or somewhere in between because there's a full continuum of where people are. This is based on not just their wants to wake up, not just that ‘I can wake up’, I'd prefer to sleep in’, or ‘I'd prefer to wake up early’. It's not necessarily that. It's actually as to when a body can tolerate stress and how that stress should be placed on them. 

And in our body, at all times, there is a system of stress and then recovery, and it's that balance that we're trying to fluctuate through with our rhythms throughout the day. That's actually what the rhythms protect is that stress-to-recovery balance. So waking and then sleeping and then eat and then rest or, move, eat, rest, all of those types of things. 

So, we have individuals that as they're developing in the womb, they get a heightened sensitivity to testosterone, they have a greater development of their adrenal system and their response to adrenaline, and that's due to embryological epigenetic factors. And to make that simple is that there's different tissues that are developing in the womb, obviously, that make up our body. Depending on the genes that you have and in the environment in the womb, you will give more dominance to certain tissues. And this particular person, they called the Activator in our ph360 circle. The Activators have, they develop the tissues more dominantly that are related to the muscle, the skeleton, the testosterone, and the reproductive glands, adrenal glands, kidneys. And so as they develop throughout their life, these hormones and these tissues have more dominance than the other tissues. 

And so, I'll give another example just to give a comparison in a second. So if you've got a body that's more sensitive to testosterone, it also has a slightly stronger adrenal system. And Lisa is a perfect example of that, and I'm not too far from that. 

Lisa: Yes. 

Dr Cam: And essentially, what this body does really well is that it responds to that adrenal system very powerfully. And first thing in the morning is when your adrenal system is the strongest. This is when you get the biggest glucocorticoid release that's your cortisol and your adrenalines. And essentially, it's to say, ‘Hey, you were dead asleep, and now you need to be awake’. 

And because they've got tissues that are also ready for that, they even take that energy. And if they use their adrenal system at that time, it matches their strength. This is what they've grown to be strong in. And so it matches their strength to be really great at this. And so, when they use it, it aligns with what their body is looking for. And then they ride that energy all the way through to the end of the day. And this is because we've put the right body into the right environment at the right time. 

However, a Diplomat, which is the opposite side of the circle, and what we see with embryological development is, on a circle, opposite sides, you'll see opposite effects. And so, instead of it being the adrenal system and the testosterone system that's really sensitive within the body, the other body, we actually see their digestive system and their neuro system being more developed and more sensitive. 

And so what's happening in digestion in the morning is that it's, essentially, it's regulating where all the fluid is going to go in the body.  It's finishing off these really important digestive processes, clearing out the digestion, making sure that the gut is rested and ready for new meals. And it's doing that right up until 7am. 

And so this body is having to focus all of its energy on its digestive system because that's the really important system for this body. And if you then stress this body, what happens is it goes, ‘Well, I was trying to put water into the right place, I was trying to get my digestion on track, and I'm running all of a sudden’?

Lisa: You’re just taking what. Yes.

Dr Cam: ‘Like this does not match at all. I don't need adrenaline right now. This is bad news’. And so what happens is the body then goes into compensation. It says, ‘Oh, God. Well, I'm gonna have to make up for this later. I've spent all of this fluid of sweat. I've used all of this energy’. And so this body goes, ‘Well, I didn't get time to put my fluid away, so where is it? Okay, I'm going to retain fluid now’, because, and this is exactly what happened in that body.

Lisa: You’ve put on weight.

Dr Cam: You have enough cortisol at the wrong time. 

Lisa: Yes. 

Dr Cam: They make that retaining fluid. And this is exactly what's happening—they get the adrenal burst in the morning, but if they then run with that with some morning exercise, it becomes too much for their system. They can't then do those digestive processes. Their gut goes off, which influences their serotonin production, which makes them less happy. 

Lisa: Wow.

Dr Cam: What's really interesting with this kind of crowd is that the things that we'll see is an individual wakes up, like I said before, we'll get up, and they'll do their exercise. And what they'll notice is they start getting this bit of weight around the middle.

Lisa: Around the middle.

Dr Cam: And they'll also start accumulating fluid. They'll get a halo effect from exercise of two to three hours because their stress levels actually stay a lot higher for a lot longer because they shouldn't be stressed at that time. So they get this, and stress hormones make you feel alive, and they make you feel awake. And so, for the first three hours of the day, you're going, ‘Yes, I'm an early bird. This is awesome’, and then come lunch, it crashes really, really hard. And you also become more diabetic in the afternoon, for lack of a better term, more insulin resistance.

Lisa: Insulin resistance 

Dr Cam: Yes. And so, this individual has been working their guts out literally, and all they've got is more fluid retention, tightness in the afternoon, weight gain around the middle, which is the thing that they're doing exercise for.

Lisa: They’re stuck.

Dr Cam: And if they just shift that exercise later in the day when their body is ready for movement because this body likes to conserve energy in the morning, make sure everything is sorted in their body, and then they can move in the stress and all that sort of stuff in the afternoon. And if they do that, there's no cortisol rise to the same extent. They have much lower cortisol all day, which means they don't deposit fat around their stomach. 

Lisa: Because cortisol is a real effect on…

Dr Cam: Huge one. And this particular body, absolutely, because it's the opposite of the Activator, the Diplomat is, they don't like their cortisol so high. They like things to be cruisy and peaceful and steady as opposed to high-intensity and… Exactly. And so, whenever you put this body into this thing at the wrong time, you end up with this adverse effect. And you start questioning yourself, it's like, ‘What the hell could I be doing better? I'm waking up, I'm getting my food in…’

Lisa: ‘I’m useless’.

Dr Cam: ‘...I’m doing the things I’m supposed to do, and then I'm crashing in the afternoon’. And all of a sudden, now they're having three or four coffees, which is just another stimulant of cortisol. 

Lisa: Yes.

Dr Cam: And then they worsen the effect. And so we see for this person, if they just sleep in, they actually start losing weight faster than if they exercise. And this is…

Lisa: So counterintuitive.

Dr Cam: So counterintuitive. But when you think that whether you put muscle or fat tissue on, it’s actually—not to do with your food or your exercise, it's got to do with the hormones that those foods and exercise stimulate. 

Lisa: Yes.

Dr Cam: You don't grow muscle from protein alone. Because we'll see people in hospital who are malnourished, and we're feeding them lots of protein and they just burn then they lose weight. What we're trying to do is we need to modify the hormones. And if we get the right rhythm to our day—cortisol is acting, testosterone is acting at the right time, growth hormone is acting at the right time—if we were able to match our day with our hormone release that's relevant to us, then our body is able to—anytime that it gets some protein, is able to put it to work rather than burn it off in stress. 

Lisa: Wow.

Dr Cam: And the same thing with exercise. If you do exercise stress at the right time, you stimulate the right growth hormones, which like in ultramarathon running, and I use this example all the time, it's just so appropriate right now. If you run for three days, are your muscles bigger by the end of the three days?

Lisa: Hell, no

Dr Cam: Exactly. They’re broken down. Exercise is a stress, and it just stimulates your body to say, ‘You need to be stronger here’. So this is where—whenever you're thinking about exercise and food, you've got to be thinking about ‘What hormones am I modulating here? And what hormones do I need right now’? And that's the information that we can have. Just two very simple examples that we provided before.

Lisa: Yes, and this is why this information in the programme that we do is so powerful because it gives you that specific information along with a ton of other things about what time to do things and when, in optimising your whole daily rhythms. But it isn't just about exercises, it is also about the food timing. So let's look at a little bit into the food timings and then also the whole neurotransmitter side of things.

Dr Cam: Yes.

Lisa: Like when am I going to get the best out of my brain? All that type of stuff as well. So from a food perspective. 

Dr Cam: Yes.

Lisa: So you and I are Crusader. I'm a Crusader-Activator on the cusp there, means four to six meals a day is ideal for us or regular food. My mum's a Guardian. Opposite end of the wheel, again.

Dr Cam: Yes.

Lisa: Two to three meals a day, ideal. That doesn't mean that you and I can't do intermittent fasting. That doesn't, by the way. We can still do that and get the benefits of autophagy and stuff, but it's a shorter fast from what I worked on.

Dr Cam: That's exactly right. 

Lisa: Yes

Dr Cam: Yes. And that's the perfect—I was actually going to use those two examples for that, Lisa. Spot on. So we've got Activators and Diplomats, which we’ve spoken about. Then, we got the Crusaders and the Guardians. So Crusaders are, essentially, Lisa’s a really good example, I’m a good example. 

Generally slight like a soccer player—taller, leaner, slender. And one of the features of their body is that they're very neurally-driven. So as opposed to adrenaline and testosterone, as opposed to digestive, the Crusaders are very neurally-driven. Everything is about mental focus, mental drive, and creation of hormones that allow you to keep driving forward. And you see these types of people in triathlons and marathons and anything that requires that long-term high-intensity focus. 

Now, with this body, not prone at all to obesity. You have to really, really really push with bad habits to get this body to a level of obesity versus the Guardian. Naturally, this is your strongest, thickest jointed, biggest muscled, and also, they have the greatest capacity to store fat. So anyone that you see at powerlifting or in shot put or in those power sports, like the world's strongest men. Oprah is a good example of a Guardian. This is a body that's just more substantial. 

And so what's really interesting about these two bodies is that—and I guess the most relevant one, we can start with the Guardian because it's kind of interesting. And then we'll come back to the Crusader, which is more—the most appropriate for general healthy guidelines than any other one.

Lisa: So we run the show as far as…

Dr Cam: We have the other types. 

Lisa: ...we have told everybody how to do it all wrong.

Dr Cam: Well, and what's really interesting is that our bodies—because we're unlikely to be obese just with the way our body is made up. That's not good or bad. We die from other things, by the way. We may not die from diabetes.But we might get...

Lisa: What can else haunt us?

Dr Cam: Exactly. Yes. There’s Parkinson's or something not so pleasant like that. So essentially, when we're feeding a Guardian, they've got a body, they walk past a bakery, and they smell it, and they gain weight. 

Lisa: Yes.

Dr Cam: They have this ability of just accumulating mass at all times. But they have these hormones in their body, and they're more sensitive to prolactin, and they produce more insulin. And these hormones are growth hormones. They make you grow. And so, they have an abundance of these things going on. They have a slightly slower thyroid, which means that they are able to conserve weight very easily. And what's really interesting, psychologically, they're being driven to care for people. So they have the most ability to conserve energy and the most ability to nurture. So you have these big, strong protective individuals. 

Now what's really interesting with the timing of food, they’re recommended to have two meals per day, breakfast and lunch and then a very, very light, if not, non-existent dinner. Now, the reason that we do that, particularly with Guardians who are feeling like they wanting to—because this is the body that's most prone to excess weight gain as well. They'll be healthy and obese, but they can also really extend out past that unhealthy obese as well. 

And so, what happens overnight is your prolactin and your growth hormones, even insulin release, all of these things are greatest overnight. And the reason for that is when we're sleeping, it’s the best time for our recovery. And so all of these hormones that are associated with growth are the response to the day of spending energy. ‘I spend all this energy. I burn. I then have to recover’. 

Now, what's really interesting about the Guardians is that they have like a supercharged ability to grow overnight. And both protein and carbohydrates stimulate growth in different ways, and it's modulated through—insulin is a really great growth factor. It's one of the hormones that are involved. Essentially, if Guardians have a really big protein-carbohydrate meal at night, they get all of these growth factors at a time that they're about to have their biggest growth of the day. 

Lisa: Growth anyway. Yes.

Dr Cam: And this is a body that all they do is grow really well. They actually have a different rhythm that's not as catabolic, or doesn't break down as easily. In fact, it's quite anabolic by nature, it grows very easily. When they get stressed, they grow. And so what we want to do is to help this person rather than top up their blood sugar levels, rather than give them protein to feel full, it's actually—these individuals don't get that hungry that often if they're eating the right types of foods. 

Essentially, what we see is if we can remove the proteins, carbohydrates, and even the fats at night and have a very light dinner and on sort of that time-restricted feeding, I say, is the way that you can think about it, but it's an early window for the day. What we do is we drop those growth hormones and the growth factors, I should say. We allow their digestive system to do a whole lot more recovery overnight. They'll wake up the next day feeling so much lighter. But we also haven't triggered off their key growth factors, which they already have plenty of anyway.And so all of a sudden, now, instead of growing excess overnight, they're able to start just recovering other systems and processes in their body. 

And particularly when you're getting the breakfast and getting the lunch, you're creating stability in their system, then you're just taking away their growth stimulus at night, and they can start losing weight. And what's really fascinating about this, the studies that have shown this is if you can take people with diabetes, you give them six meals per day of 1400 calories, or you give them two meals per day of 1400 calories—breakfast and lunch. And what you see is a one-kilo weight loss for the six meals per day and a five-kilo weight loss for the two meals a day.

Lisa: Massive on the same amount of calories.

Dr Cam: Exactly the same macros, exactly the same calories, it's just that we're changing when it's coming into the body.

Lisa: So these people shouldn't be doing a morning intermittent fast. They should be doing a stop at six o'clock eating type thing.

Dr Cam: Even five.

Lisa: Even five.

Dr Cam: But really, it's about two meals. And if those two meals can be earlier, that's going to be better. And with lunch, is a time when we really tolerate foods very well. There’s a lot of systems that are really supporting us. That's actually a time when the meal can be most substantial as well. And so, this is what's really important if we're thinking about, let's say, reversing diabetes, for example. If we give someone six meals per day, it almost prevents us from doing that. 

Lisa: Wow, so you just can't fix it as you’re just getting it a spot.

Dr Cam: And it is why there are so many issues with so many, the dietary protocols out there because so many of that predicated on three meals and two snacks for this body. However, for the Crusaders…

Lisa: For us.

Dr Cam: ...which is the opposite function, they are much more likely to lose weight than gain weight. Obviously, in your exception, it's different when you're running ultramarathons. 

Lisa: Yes.

Dr Cam: But we're more likely to wither and lose muscle, as opposed to the Guardian that's more likely to accumulate and gain. And so what food has to do for a Crusader is provide energy so that they don't break down. Because food is that important for recovery, and we will...

Lisa: And we’re catabolic by nature.

Dr Cam: Exactly. Food is designed to provide growth to a body that would otherwise be breaking down. And so when we see the need for regular three meals and two snacks throughout the day, and dinner can actually be relatively substantial because overnight, you want this body to take advantage of the recovery. Because if they don't get enough growth, then their immune system doesn't come on, and they start getting sick, and they start breaking down. Whereas the strength of the immune system in The Guardian is so much greater because that's the time that they really ramp up their growth. 

So we have this newly-driven body that we're not trying to protect it from diabetes and insulin problems because they don't often have them, particularly insulin resistance, and they have a faster thyroid function so their metabolism is burning hotter. They have all of this mental energy that is burning as well, and that requires more carbohydrates. So essentially, we provide regular meals with carbohydrates to this body, and their brain starts operating really, really well, that decreases their stress. And it's the decrease in stress that allows muscle growth, that allows our waist to reduce. And so, by having more regular food, we actually end up with better body composition for this person. But if we have more regular food for the Guardian, we actually end up with worse.

Lisa: You need to know.

Dr Cam: Whereas if you put two meals per day into the Crusader, now, all of a sudden—because they've run out of fuel because their metabolism turns it over really quickly, they have to dip into their stress hormones to stay energised. So they have to use more cortisol and adrenaline. And what do those hormones do? They break muscle down, and they put fat around your waist. 

And so we have this environment for a Crusader, if they're having two meals, they're having to stress and push to stay awake. And now all of a sudden—oh, and to stay alert and on. And now, we're going to have the effects of what those hormones do, which is in that body, they’re with the muscle, and they gain body, and they gain fat around their waist. 

Lisa: Wow. So they can—that’s the exact opposite. So Crusaders can be overweight, but that's usually they hold it in the middle of the body around the waist, which is the most dangerous fat—that visceral fat. And with the Guardian—so this is why like some people when they get stressed lose weight, and some people when they get stressed put on weight. And this was always like, ‘Huh? How does that work? Because I thought cortisol always put on fat’. And it does for the Crusader as well, but it puts it on around the middle, and that's because the cortisol has gone up, and you haven't had enough food. 

Okay, what about—this is just because I'm off on a tangent again—but autophagy? We all hear about inhibiting mTOR, which is one of the growth pathways. And I'm always like, ‘Okay, I'm an activated Crusader’. I'm on the cusp there. So do I do intermittent fasting or not? I feel like if I'm looking for autophagy and wanting to knock off senescent cells and all of that sort of thing, how do I do that without triggering my body to go into a stress situation?

Dr Cam: Great question. And so, this is what it comes down to then, we spoke about the rhythms at the start of the day—like the daily rhythm, the monthly rhythm, the yearly rhythms. Essentially, when we're looking at the rhythms of the different bodies, a Crusader has quite a quick turnover rhythm. So whereas the Guardian has a much longer slower turnover rhythm.

And so, what I mean by that is if a Crusader does a day or two of intermittent fasting, their metabolism goes, ‘Whoa’, like really hits them because they're always on the edge of their fuel supply. And so the fast hits them a lot faster, but they're their nervous system, which is the thing that's driving stress In their body, that will be impacted quite significantly if they go without food for a period of time. It'll start driving muscle loss and demineralisation to keep the body alert. 

And so, for a Crusader, it might be the one day per week that you do that thing just to give yourself a bit of a top up. For example—or to give yourself that effect of autophagy. Whereas for a Guardian, they have this ability to accumulate, and their rhythms are much slower. They can actually go for extended periods of time in that intermittent fasting. It's actually quite beneficial for them because they are more likely to build up toxins, and they're more likely to conserve over time. That state of a semi-fasted life is actually appropriate for them because their body, generally, their rhythms are slower and steadier, and they aren't affected by a lack of caloric intake or a lower caloric intake as much.

Lisa: So for us to do extended fasts as Crusader types, are we putting ourselves at risk then? If so, how do we get rid of that? Because autophagy, just for those listening who don't know what the hell autophagy is, it’s basically recycling when a body goes up, there's not enough food supply around, there's not enough nutrients because their body is sensing the nutrients that's available in our blood, and this can be low protein or low caloric intake. And then it starts to recycle old parts of cells or knock off cells that are damaged and not doing the job properly. And this is a process that we want to have, but as Crusaders, we don't want to tip ourselves into the stressed out state, where we’re actually too catabolic. 

So, because there's lots of things going around about fasting and the benefits of fasting. And, again, it is appropriate for one type more than another type or at certain periods of time. So how would you optimise it for a Crusader versus a Guardian?

Dr Cam: Yes. Okay, that's good call. So essentially—probably, the thing to state here is that it's not just food that creates this level of stress or rest and recovery. If you were—let's say, for example, that you're up in some sort of retreat, where they're doing meditations a lot of the day, where you're walking in nature, where it's just very, very gentle surrounds, and there's virtually no stress on your nervous system, and you're able to completely dial out, this is as a Crusader, then you're going to be able to tolerate a much lower food intake for a longer period of time because there's less requirement that's being placed on. You have food. 

But if you're in the middle of a busy week and you start fasting, your brains will go in ‘Well, I still want to get stuff done.’ And so your brain is going, ‘Let's do this’. And so in order to do that, you have to create stress hormone responses to keep your brain alive and to break muscle down, turn it into glucose that you can use in your brain for fuel. 

Lisa: Oh, we don’t want that.

Dr Cam: So it definitely depends on the environment that you're in as to how long you could do this. But generally, what we say is, if a Crusader is going to be doing some sort of intermittent fasting or something like that, just doing a day per week, and on a day where you can control the amount of stuff that is going on so you're not too narrowly stressed, it's really, really good way of going.

Making sure you're meditating, deep breathing throughout the day, doing some gentle exercise, some stretching, just to really calm your nervous system. You're not having to do really big meetings and really stressful thinking sessions because you want to dial down the thing that's taking all of your energy. And for a Crusader,  it's their brain. 

Lisa: Yes. 

Dr Cam: And so if that's being used lots, then the body will commit its reserves to looking after the brain. So you have to turn that off in order to do a fast without affecting yourself too much. 

Lisa: Wow.

Dr Cam: Because if prolonged, you'll start continually breaking down muscle tissue to fuel your brain, and that's not good. And you release a whole lot of calcium from your bones to provide energy in your mitochondria.

Lisa: Wow.

Dr Cam: In your little, your muscle tissue within your muscle fibres as well. You need calcium to make muscles contract and do their thing. And if you're stressed and not consuming, you'll release more of that, which is not a good thing either. 

Lisa: ...osteoporosis. 

Dr Cam: So this is where you will essentially know...Yes, osteoporosis is a big risk for Crusaders. So you will essentially know that if you're doing a semi-fast and you're starting to have the feeling, if you're a Crusader out there, you're having to push to have your energy. When you're using your energy and flow, it should be just this flow of energy that feels good to use when you're doing mental tasks and things like that. If you've fasted for too long, it'll now be this push. It's like, ‘I have to get myself up to do this work’. And that requires...

Lisa: You repel. 

Dr Cam: Yes, yes. So if you're starting to get less motivated, and you're getting to the end of a job, and you're just exhausted, I would say you're fasted too long because your body overextending itself.

The thing about Crusaders is their bodies are quite sensitive. You'll be able to pick up on those cues a couple of days in just to see what's going on. 

Lisa: That’s really important for people to understand. That again, it's not a one-size-fits-all when you hear everybody talking about intermittent fasting or doing these things on autophagy and inhibiting mTOR and all those sort of things. It's not a one-size-fits-all approach once again. It really needs to be...and just talking about the Guardians to like what we've been saying, sounds all negative. They tend to hold—and I know like my mum complains bitterly when I give her this tiny little meal at nighttime that's full of veggies, and she doesn't get a big steak like I'm eating. And that’s a pain for her at times. 

However, her body—to see the advantages of being a Guardian. Like back in the caveman days, she would have survived—I would have been long gone if there was a lack of food supply. She would have carried on and survived. Her immune system is incredibly strong. She's very resilient. She was in a wheelchair for 18 months, and she still had massively strong muscles. She's not catabolic in that, but she has a struggle with her weight. And now we've seem to have cracked the code on it. Because we're doing the meals at the right times most of the time and doing it appropriate for her body, we've had this huge weight loss over a very long period of time. 

Dr Cam: Yes.

Lisa: And that's the way to do it. That's what you want. You want to sort of do that in a controlled manner. And so there are good—and she's never going to get osteoporosis. Her bones aren't going to break. Mine? Quite likely.

Dr Cam: Yes.

Lisa: There's likely to have Alzheimer's even given whose particular situation. So those are some of the benefits just for those listening out there who resonate with that body type. Not to think it's all negative. And we've got an ‘Oh, gosh’, and we have an ‘Oh, good’ some things.

Dr Cam: And to add to that, survival wise, we would have these individuals who are much stronger than everybody else who has a focus on looking after everybody else. The reason that their body is built the way it is is when we go through famine as a community, their body goes into conservation, they start growing, or essentially, they start growing, or they start slowing down their metabolism so that they can provide food for everybody else. There's this internal ‘I must provide’. And so, their body actually assist with that, and it slows down its metabolism, enables it to gain more or at least stop the weight loss. And this is why, for this body, you can actually extend the fast because they have this incredible resilience. 

What's interesting about this body is that when you, any kind of stress—mental stress and things like that—if they experience stress, they'll say, ‘Ah, my community mustn't be safe. If I'm stressed, I'm the most resilient and I'm the strongest. So everybody else must be almost dying. So I'm going to start slowing my metabolism down straight away’. And as a result, they're going to take advantage of those hormones that help you grow, like the insulin resistance, the lower thyroid function. They're going to take advantage of those to be stronger for the community. 

Lisa: Wow.

Dr Cam: And this is a really important piece for any of your Kiwi listeners, particularly Modi and Modi populations. 

Lisa: Yes. They’re dominant Guardian.

Dr Cam: They stick out and generally have got this incredible capacity for protection. They're very family-oriented, it's all about protection of the family. And that thing comes from the same thing that makes them big and strong. It also makes them much more tolerant of prolonged fast because their body is designed to be a faster. 

What's really interesting is their body was meant to accumulate during great times. And then when the fast came along, they just ate. And as they fast, they get healthier. Like their blood sugar start normalising, whereas the Crusader or the Sensor, that the leanest of the bodies, when they fast, they start breaking down and heading towards disease because they just lack that ability to grow and that ability to accumulate. So the mTOR pathways, which is all about growth, they're actually very protective for Crusaders and senses. And so we don't want to spend too long without them versus a Guardian, Connectors. Some Connectors and Diplomats, they have probably an excess of growth. And so, for them, that pathway is going to be more relevant to modulate or at least you'll be able to influence it for longer with greater effect. 

Lisa: And this is why we see in the Polynesian community more diabetes, more cardiovascular disease, more—and then they also have a tendency to like those particular types of foods even more. So when you see with Sensors—it’s another one that we haven't gotten to, but that’s a real ectomorph body—and Crusaders have a tendency to actually want more vegetables and things, and they can actually do with more cooked, slow-cooked meats, and things like that. 

Dr Cam: Yes.

Lisa: But they have a tendency to like those sort of heavier, fattier, more sugar-rich foods when that's actually the worst thing for them. And that's why we're seeing, unfortunately, so much diabetes, so many metabolic disorders, and so on.

Dr Cam: Yes, well, those foods provide a lot of safety. By having so many calories, it's like, well, ‘If I've got enough weight on, my family is now protected’. And so there's this biological drive to eat foods that are very caloric so that you can have more mass because more mass equals more protection for my family. But if you just go and lift really, really heavy weights, your body feels heavier, your body gets the sense that it's more stable and stronger, and that can actually replace. It's a really interesting one that requirement.

Lisa: Ah, is that right?

Dr Cam: That requirement to feel it. Yes. So there's a feeling of groundedness you get from those very heavy weights, and we also know that it actually creates a bit more growth hormone, a bit more recovery overnight, but it will direct it with the right nutrients and the right exercise to muscle growth rather than fat. 

Lisa: So that's why the Diplomat and the Guardian body types, these stronger, heavier body types are really good at heavy weight lifting. And even though—because I have this argument with some of the clients that we have—women who are Guardians or Diplomats, ‘I don't want to do heavy weights. I don't want to put on more muscle mass’. But that it's—again, that’s counterintuitive. So they ended up doing lots of cardio-based stuff, which has its benefits as well, but it doesn't have the quickest response as, say, heavyweight sessions will do. 

Dr Cam: Yes.

Lisa: Is that right.

Dr Cam: That's exactly right. Yeah. And there's a number of things that need to go on, but essentially, this body needs to feel heavy. There needs to be white in the joints, like there's a joint receptor reflex that sends signals back up to the brain to say ‘You are heavy enough, therefore your family is safe’. And I know it's a bit of a…

Lisa: It’s wow.

Dr Cam: ...a narrative piece, but you only need to get someone doing this, you only need to get a hilltop, like a Guardian or a Diplomat, doing this type of training and understand the benefits of it. It's a very...

Lisa: Visceral thing really. You know what I’m saying. 

Dr Cam: It is.

Lisa: Yes.

Dr Cam: Visceral is the perfect word. 

Lisa: Yes.

Dr Cam: I was thinking soulful, but visceral is definitely...

Lisa: Visceral, yes.

Dr Cam: Yes, it resonates because they feel strong.

Lisa: It resonates with the dominant hormones. 

Dr Cam: Yes. 

Lisa: And then there's, yes. 

Dr Cam: And they’ve got these massive muscles that are not designed to lift little weights. And their biomechanics actually improve when they start lifting a heavier weight because the whole muscle is engaged in the way that it's supposed to. So it's fascinating. The form has a function, and the form directs optimal function as well if you look at it appropriately.

Lisa: And if you put a heavy weight when on your awry, we are all likely to rip something.

Dr Cam: Yes.

Lisa: A tendon or a...

Dr Cam: Or both.

Lisa: We don't like it. Yes.

Dr Cam: Yes, that’s right.

Lisa: We're better suited to medium sort of weight. So still weight training but not the heavy, heavy stuff. And we can do sort of back-to-back sessions as opposed to or back-to-back sets. Whereas with my husband and my brother, when I’m doing training with them, I get them to do a set, have a rest, do a set, have a rest. Not a CrossFit style back-to-back type of training either. 

And all of these bits of the puzzle, like getting this information helps you eliminate all the trial and error about working with your body, and so that you get the results that you want and deserve without like—because I bet there's hundreds of people sitting out there now going banging their heads against a brick wall because they've done the wrong thing for the last 20 years. And I was one of them.

Like doing ultramarathons super, super long distance for an Activator-Crusader body type. Not a good combination because I have more short-term strength than I do long-distance endurance. It doesn't mean I can never do it, but it just means that I shouldn't be doing back-to-back ultra marathons, which is what I did, and I end up paying quite a high price with my health. 

Whereas for another person, that might be perfectly fine thing to do. Probably not as the extreme of stupidness that I did it because it was just really ridiculous. And so you start—if you put your body in the right environment, get the right foods, eat at the right times of the day, work and do your mental stuff, you'll get health. And you'll get optimal performance, and you'll get longevity, all as a byproduct of doing this in the right... Can we just touch on there, Dr Cam, just before we wrap up? Because I know it's time to wrap up. But the neurotransmitters for each different body type—and we can just go over this quickly, and I think we probably need to spend an hour just on that, but maybe we'll do that next time. 

But just as a brief overview. So you said prolactin.That's the caring hormone for the Guardians and Nurturers. This is why these people make wonderful mothers and fathers and tribal leaders and leaders of companies even. Because they're that steady look-after-everybody type. If we go to the Diplomats, what are they? What's their dominant hormone or the hormone that sticks up against?

Dr Cam: They're searching for a balance of serotonin. Serotonin is what you get as a reward for things being pleasurable and enjoyable or calm and steady. So let's say that you go for a run, the longer you run, the more serotonin you get in saying, ‘Hey, calm down. You've done well. You've achieved’. And so when you finish exercise, the thing that's kind of keeping that calm and that pleasurable craziness that you feel after some sort of exercise, that's serotonin, or if you do a job well. And so this body— because they're searching for doing a job well, they'll take more time to consider before they do anything. Because they want to make sure they get the job done well so they get their serotonin. Because if they don't get their serotonin, they get very demotivated. 

Lisa: I didn’t understand aptly...

Dr Cam: So they start ruminating, and they start thinking about things. And when people rush and they go, ‘Well, I've got to think about this again because I want to make sure I do it well’. And so they'll slow down. The best example for this is kids. You got a kid who's a bit taller, stronger kind of build, just does not do mornings well. And you say, ‘Hey, let's get out of the house right now’. And they're like, ‘Oh’, and then they go slower. And this is because they're like, ‘Well, I need to get my serotonin. I thought I was going fast. I wasn't. So I'm gonna have to rethink what I was doing’. And then they reprocess the whole game again, and then they get there eventually. 

So serotonin is about pleasure, but it also moderates the speed at which people make decisions and how willing they are to take action. You've got lots of serotonin, you'll be very optimistic and so...

Lisa: I'm laughing because this is my husband, and we have this fight every day. ‘Cause I’m like, ‘Let's go to the beach and do some skimboarding or surfing or something’. And he's like, ‘Oh, you've just dropped it on me’. And I'm like, ‘What do you mean? It's not a very hard thing to run down the beach’. For heaven's, he's got to have this done and that done and this ticked off and...

Dr Cam: You’re violating the plan. 

Lisa: And I’m like, ‘Ugh’.

Dr Cam: You’re ruining his ability to get serotonin. It’s a violation of his biology. That’s right.

Lisa: Oh, I have to go and apologise.

Dr Cam: But then the Activator, obviously, they're searching for adrenaline. 

Lisa: Yes. 

Dr Cam: And so the perfect example is they want change. They want unknown, they want excitement, they want action. And so, instead of thinking about something and really planning it out, it's like, ‘How boring is that? I know exactly what's going to happen. So I need to throw something in that wasn't planned, otherwise’. And this is you see kids got this in school, where they are sitting in the class with a monitor and teacher sitting down, and all they want is move and excitement, and they sit, and they start making noise. ‘Ah! Miss!’ And they start throwing aeroplanes around the room because it gives them adrenaline, which makes their biology feel great. 

Lisa: Yes. 

Dr Cam: And so now all of a sudden, they feel really safe because they're doing something that's exciting, that is the opposite to the serotonin drive. And this is what's really important. And the funny thing is, as the universe would have it, you see a lot of couples that may…

Lisa: They’re opposite. That makes sense.

Dr Cam: Activator-Diplomat. And they are dealing with this their whole life until they realize that it's actually in their strength to work together. 

Lisa: Yes. 

Dr Cam: And then we have the Crusader, which is dopamine. So prolactin, the Guardian, is selflessness. It's ‘I’m going to do things for other people. I've got enough so I'm going to do for others’. Dopamine is ‘I'm going to do for me to get the outcome that I want’. And so it creates drive, focus. I've got—it's going to provide energy and make you feel great towards the mission. So as long as there's a mission, there'll be dopamine that's going through the Crusaders brain, locking into their reward centre and saying, ‘I must finish this’. And everything else just goes by the wayside—people, relationships, other jobs, all of that sort of stuff. ‘Because this is the way that we're going, this is what I'm being provided reward for. So this is the outcome that I want’. 

And so this hormone makes you a little bit selfish, but you can actually—for example, Lisa is doing this podcast to influence thousands of people every month for their benefit, but she's doing it for herself. And this is the thing that we allow, we—the person who cures cancer is doing it for… Let's say it's a Crusader, they do it for themselves, but it influences positively many, many people.

Lisa: Yes.

Dr Cam: It's not to say selfish and selfless are good or bad; it's just the way that the biology must interact with the world in order to feel safe. And so we must do things for ourselves as a Crusader, but it can positively benefit many.

Lisa: Yes. You can pick missions that are gonna benefit the world. I mean, the head of ph is a good example, isn't it? Yes. So you got to meet the—but you have a huge capacity to go on a mission and achieve incredible things and incredible amounts of things because you're so driven, but you have a tendency to bust yourself in the process and burn out. 

Dr Cam: Yes. That’s right.

Lisa: And that's a lot of oxidative stress if you're on the Activator side of things.

Dr Cam: Lots of inflammation. Yes, for the Crusaders, that’s for sure. 

Lisa: Yes, yes. 

Dr Cam: And what they need is they need to turn that off every now and again.

Lisa: That’s hard.

Dr Cam: Just like Guardians. Guardians need to do things for themselves too. They need to be selfish sometimes, and if they don't, they get sick. The same thing, Crusaders need to turn off and get off mission for a second every now and again. 

Lisa: And relax. This is for all body types, it's really important to do the calming breath-holding exercises and the Pilates and the yoga and being in nature and doing those things that turn the brain off. Because otherwise we're just on, on, on, and then you tend to wind up and then crash and then wind up and then crash. 

Dr Cam: That’s right. But too many of those meditative exercises and you start getting anxious that you're not getting enough done. And so it's finding that balance...

Lisa: Yes.

Dr Cam: ...of resting the mind at the best time and chronobiologically, between 6 and 10 pm, is the time when your brain is going through its best recovery. And so if you use meditation at that time, it has more impact than it would have other times, and this is where chronobiology actually comes into the mind side of things too. 

And so then we have Connectors and Sensors. So Connectors are the most social, socially inclined hilltop. They have oxytocin, which is driving their response to the environment. So oxytocin is the trust and connection hormone.

Lisa: Yes.

Dr Cam: Essentially, what they'll look to do is they'll look to create trust and connection with as many people as possible. And the way that they do that, they actually have a very powerful visual cortex, which means that when they look at somebody, they can determine their emotional state from their face.

 

Lisa: Wow.

 

Dr Cam: Then they have this ability to be a chameleon. They'll then match themselves to the person, and when you match a person's state, you create trust through commonality in resonance, essentially. 

Lisa: Wow.

Dr Cam: And so they have this ability to immediately fall into trust with people, which gives them their oxytocin, which they get from that connection, which then makes them feel good, and they can keep going. 

The trouble with this, though, is if you're trying to keep people happy all of the time, which is an important part of this, and you're not happy within yourself, it becomes inauthentic. And so then you end up chasing little droplets of oxytocin from lots of different strangers. Whereas what we need to do is really, really need to encourage Connectors to have very strong stable relationships like a dog and his owner. And the animal totem for help for the Connector is the puppy. 

Lisa: Yes.

Dr Cam: And this is because like the strength of that primary bond, what that does is it keeps a flood of oxytocin going through their body all of the time.

Lisa: They’re not chasing it in the wrong places.

Dr Cam: Exactly. And then they can go out, and they can get their little top-ups and keep the community together, which is an incredible strength.

Lisa: Yes.

Dr Cam: It's to keep people together and keep people connected. Not everyone can do that, and they have that ability. What's really interesting, though, is if they have a bad social experience, oxytocin will get tagged with that negative emotion. 

Lisa: Oh.

Dr Cam: So the next time they look to connect with somebody, it might actually be harder because they remember the bad thing that happened before. So the more positive, the more transparent, and the more best friend relationships that they can have, where they can just be themselves and be completely open and completely trusted, that allows them to constantly associate oxytocin with the great thing and great feelings, which then allows them to express themselves best as well. 

Lisa: It's incredible. 

Dr Cam: The impact of having very honest and non-judgmental friends is going to be really, really important for a Connector.

Lisa: Wow.

Dr Cam: Versus for a Sensor. Sensors are vasopressin dominant. Vasopressin is a—it’s like a survival mechanism. It essentially helps you hold on to everything. This is the leanest, slightest body. They have the smallest amount of muscle tissue and fat tissue. And essentially, their body is set up to ‘I need to protect myself because I don't have the capacity, the physical capacity’…

Lisa: Strength.

Dr Cam: …‘to actually look after other people. I need an environment that's nice and quiet. I need food that's nice and warm because I don't have a whole lot of insulation. I need an environment that is warm as well because I don't have much thermoregulation’, all of that sort of stuff. ‘I need just sensory dial down’. 

And so when you've got a body like this, when they get stressed, the vasopressin creates fluid or tension at the kidneys, and it essentially lets you hold on to all of your good stuff. It creates essentially a little bit of jealousy. ‘I like one thing at a time’. They really like monogamy in everything like, ‘One thing at a time because I can focus on one thing at a time because that's very certain’. They like certainty because lack of certainty is risky for them because they don't have much reserve in the tank. If they're out in the wilderness, ‘I need to know exactly where my food is, because I've only got a day or two of survival in my body’, or as a Guardian, for weeks. It’s...

Lisa: Yes.

Dr Cam: So as a result, their brain will be hyper-aware of the environment. They’ll be less trusting because they need certainty, and they'll want as much information as possible. They'll want to collect as much data as possible before they trust anything. And so Connectors will just be looking for trust all of the time everywhere with no information.

Lisa: Wow.

Dr Cam: Sensors will be looking for as much data, as much certainty, as much security as possible. And then they'll say, ‘Okay, this all makes logical sense. This is not a risk to me or my body. Okay, now, I'm good to put some faith in this person’. And so they'll be excellent data gatherers. They'll really make sure that they understand people, and they'll want conversations that ask for the fifth and sixth, ‘Why?’

Lisa: Why.

Dr Cam: ‘Why do you do that? And why do you do this’? We asked a few Sensors, ‘Why is that so important to you’? And they said it's because ‘The deeper I get, I get to understand this person's intentions and as to whether they're trustworthy or not’. And so they are really investigating and collecting to do that. And it's their brain that’s asking.

Lisa: And so very sceptical by nature, so very good at analysing data, and being able to sift through lots of—so they're very neurally-focused. So you see a lot of people in this type going into, say the sciences and so very neurally-driven professions. 

Dr Cam: That's right. And not quite as sceptical as Crusaders. When you've got like a bit of adrenaline and testosterone and this stuff going on, that's when you get scepticism. When we're talking about Sensors, they're actually quite open, but they will only do things that make sense. And if they've got something that works for them right now, they won't change it. And I've had clients that have got a result in the first few months, and then I see them four years later, and they're still doing the same thing, even though they have actually needed to change it. 

Lisa: Yes. Doing it all.

Dr Cam: And that’s where they've credit security out of this information.

Lisa: Stuck.

Dr Cam: ‘Certainty is good. I can trust this information, therefore I'll continue with it even if my body starts not feeling great. This came from a certain place, so I'm going to trust it, and then I’ll look for other things’. So they are quite open as long as the information is provided logically, systematically, and compartmentalise one thing at a time because that's how their brain really works.

Lisa: So they need to ask a lot of why's. And of this body type, you have a lot of people that are often quite often vegan or vegetarian, which is actually not the greatest for the body types.

Is that right? 

Dr Cam: No. Well, this body is, generally, they don't have the strongest digestion, they will get less hydrochloric acid production. They have a greater need for minerals and a greater need for growth. And the protein is actually quite important for them in that sense for both the minerals and the growth factors. But often, because they're very sensitive to the environment, their  nervous system makes them very sensitive, they tend away from things that maybe have ethical issues, or they don't feel so great about eating this meat or whatever it is, where they get huge benefits out of doing that. And eating raw vegan, for example, can be particularly bad for this individual because they just don't have the capacity to digest all of those. 

Lisa: Yes.

Dr Cam: Very tough fibres. And they need a bit more help. And even if the food is very cold, and they need warmth in their body because the cold will actually reduce their stomach acid even further. So going for warm cooked vegetables would actually be a really, really great start, but then aging in some protein that can provide those minerals and that extra growth.

Lisa: And stuff. 

Well, Dr Cam, this has been an absolutely mindblowing episode. I think if you haven't kind of way going, ‘Wow, I need to know what I am’, and if you do reach out to us because that's what we do. 

Dr Cam, thank you very much. And you're going to be a repeat offender again on the show regularly throughout the year, covering different scientific topics around the genetic side of things and epigenetics. So thank you very much for sacrificing your time today. Really, really appreciate it. And I learn a lot every time I get to talk to you so it's been a real privilege again to have you on.

Dr Cam: It's so good to be here again, Lisa. I'm looking forward to the stuff coming in the future too.

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How Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy Works as a Panacea with Dr Jason Sonners19 May 202201:10:03
No matter what specialised diet or treatment you undergo, we are all affected by aging and oxidative stress. In the medical field, treatments are widely reactive and target specific things like infections. However, health is more than just counteracting sickness — it should also be about helping our body regenerate! 

There is now emerging research about hyperbaric oxygen therapy and its ability to help with sickness and improve general health. Hyperbaric oxygen therapy is not a cure-all miracle, however, it can help supply our bodies with the oxygen they need to repair and heal themselves! 

In this episode, Dr Jason Sonners tackle common misconceptions about oxygen and hyperbaric oxygen therapy. Dr Jason discusses oxidative stress and what can make it positive or negative for our bodies. Hyperbaric oxygen therapy may not be widely used in hospitals, but the emerging research surrounding it shows incredible results. Take your health into your own hands and discover how hyperbaric oxygen therapy can improve your health!

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  1. Learn how hyperbaric oxygen therapy works as a panacea, and why it’s different from simply breathing in oxygen. 
  2. Discover the benefits of hyperbaric oxygen therapy and how it can serve as positive oxidative stress to our bodies. 
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Resources Episode Highlights [02:53] Introduction to Dr Jason
  • Dr Jason’s background is in exercise physiology, chiropractic and nutrition. 
  • When he got a herniated disc, he was confident in his and his wife’s abilities to help him recover. However, it did not fully heal even after 18 months. 
  • Dr Jason then happened to attend a chiropractic conference and discovered hyperbaric chambers. He took sessions for four days and immediately saw improvement.
  • His experience made him want to better understand hyperbaric oxygen therapy. 
[07:04] How Hyperbaric is Growing
  • Despite its impact and effectiveness, hyperbaric is not widely used in hospitals. 
  • Dr Jason explains this is largely because of politics and insurance. There’s also a myth that oxygen is dangerous. 
  • The medical profession typically uses antibiotics to heal wounds, but antibiotics focus on reducing infection risks and do not improve the healing response. 
  • Typically, doctors and insurance companies do not bring access and awareness to hyperbaric. It’s typically the patient. 
  • Because of a large interest in hyperbaric, Dr Jason was able to set up 30 hyperbaric clinics last year. 
[14:14] How Hyperbaric Acts as a Panacea
  • Dr Jason emphasises that hyperbaric therapy does not cure anything, but it can help with general wellness since your cells use oxygen to make energy. 
  • Even if you’re 100% saturated with oxygen, it does not mean that you have the oxygen needed to heal or fuel certain systems. 
  • In the full episode, Dr Jason explains how we never have a surplus of oxygen for regeneration. 
  • Hyperbaric therapy can create a reservoir of oxygen in our bodies and improve oxygen absorption to feed the tissues that need it. The reservoir is used over a 10-hour period. 
  • Hyperbaric chambers put oxygen under pressure, compressing the molecules until they’re small enough to dissolve into tissues. 
[20:36] How Oxygen and Pressure Works 
  • When you go above sea level, it becomes harder to breathe. 
  • This is not because there’s less oxygen, but because of how pressure forces oxygen into your circulation. 
  • Every time you breathe, red blood cells pick up oxygen molecules and take them where they’re needed. 
  • With hyperbarics, oxygen dissolves at a faster rate than the capacity of red blood cells. Oxygen then stays in the liquid. 
  • Red blood cells cannot bring oxygen to damaged tissues, however, hyperbaric allows them access as it produces an excess of oxygen in the liquid.
[23:01] Short-term and Long-term Benefits of Hyperbarics 
  • Our cells use food to create NAD and oxidized NAD becomes the fuel for our cells.
  • Hyperbarics helps increase oxidation and, therefore, more fuel or ATP production. 
  • Long-term benefits of hyperbaric include immune system upregulation, stem cell release, angiogenesis, and rebuilding of blood vessels. 
[25:48] Is There Such a Thing as Getting Out Too Quickly? 
  • When divers get out of water too quickly, the danger is not from the oxygen but from nitrogen. Too much nitrogen can block blood vessels and choke arteries. 
  • The level of nitrogen depends on how deep a hyperbaric chamber is. However, most hyperbaric environments do not contain nitrogen. 
  • Dr Jason shares that leaving a hyperbaric chamber makes the body think it’s becoming hypoxic, but it’s not actual hypoxia. 
  • This state drives the angiogenesis growth factors. 
[30:39] Differences Between Short and Long Hyperbaric Sessions
  • When working with athletes, Dr Jason uses short 20–30 minute sessions to give a boost. 
  • The hyperbaric chamber puts you in a parasympathetic state in which your body slows down, relaxes, and heals. 
  • Doing hyperbaric at night can help people sleep better. 
  • Dr Jason shares that around 30% of people get stimulated instead after doing hyperbaric, so he recommends these people do hyperbaric in the morning. 
[32:50] What Can Hyperbaric Help With? 
  • Dr Jason shares that hyperbaric research is still in progress and may not provide in-depth insights into certain conditions. 
  • Hyperbaric therapy works for necrotizing fasciitis and gangrene. Hyperbaric therapy helps to reduce microbe activity and breaks down biofilms that anaerobic organisms.
  • Conceptually, hyperbaric therapy would also work on other anaerobic infections like H Pylori. 
  • It also helps white blood cells kill both bacterial and viral infections. Hyperbaric therapy can also help with neuropathy, strokes, and TBI. 
  • There is still little research on its effect on ALS and MS, but Dr Jason notes that since it’s an ongoing process, hyperbaric therapy can only work if it’s done aggressively. 
[37:48] When is Oxidative Stress Beneficial or Detrimental? 
  • Oxidative stress is the reason we’re dying, but it also helps us. 
  • Everything requires balance and reactive oxygen species help promote cell turnover. 
  • There needs to be enough damage to stimulate healing.
  • While oxidation from the outside environment destroys our bodies, oxidation from hyperbaric therapy increases mitochondrial performance. 
  • As people get used to hyperbaric sessions, they can build a tolerance to oxidation from the outside environment. 
[42:48] The Importance of Protocols
  • Healthy people can use hyperbarics periodically as it’s relatively safe. 
  • For people with serious health concerns, it’s important to have a good protocol to match different therapies together. 
[46:28] How Does Molecular Hydrogen Work with Hyperbarics?
  • Molecular hydrogen is not an antioxidant, but it can act like one.
  • When oxidizing, our bodies sometimes experience incomplete combustion and create superoxide or free radicals. 
  • Using molecular hydrogen mixes excess oxygen with excess hydrogen to reduce free radical production. 
[49:41] Can Hyperbarics Help with COVID-19? 
  • There’s been a huge interest in hyperbarics to help manage COVID-19 since it can help improve oxygen saturation. 
  • Viruses need to be contained by our immune system. We can typically live with viruses in our body without them expressing. 
  • COVID-19 is a new type of infection so it takes longer for people’s immune systems to get it under control. 
  • Other dormant infections can surface since our immune systems are so depleted. 
  • Hyperbarics can help refuel that immune system. 
[56:29] Importance of Synergy 
  • Senescence cells can help protect the DNA against oxidative stress. 
  • Combining hyperbaric therapy with other autophagy-related therapies like fasting and keto can create a synergistic effect. 
[1:00:15] Future of Hyperbarics and Epigenetics Research 
  • Dr Jason has written a book and uses his YouTube channel to help dispel myths about hyperbarics. 
  • He shares that most research focuses on high-pressure hyperbarics, but his practice shows that people see benefits at all pressures. 
  • There is growing research comparing benefits at different pressures. 
  • What you do now is going to affect the next generation. While intergenerational toxicity exists, you can also re-teach your cells to express a healthier version of themselves. 
7 Powerful Quotes

“Just like anything else, you need to know how to use [oxygen], how to operate it properly, how to keep it within a safe means and make it effective.”

“This might not sound fabulous, but [oxygen] doesn't cure anything. It just helps with so many things.”

“Not only do we have to exercise properly, but the framework of alignment, and posture, and all the pieces that predispose the body to breaking down prematurely, and where chiropractic fit the model of really trying to improve that story.”

“I can only hold my breath for a couple minutes and if I can get a little bit more oxygen, maybe I could heal a little bit faster. To some extent, it's that simple.”

“If we make really great changes, and then we decide to have children at some point, we may not have to pass down the intergenerational toxicity.”

“Every virus you've ever had, you'll always have. They live contained, so to speak, and as long as our immune system can keep things in quarantine that way, we can typically live with these viruses in our body without actually expressing.”

“Molecular hydrogen is technically not an antioxidant, but it has antioxidant-like capacity.”

About Dr Jason

Dr Jason Sonners, DC, DIBAK, DCBCN, CCWP, CHP is a certified hyperbaric practitioner and is the Clinic Director of NJ HBOT and HBOT USA. He combines hyperbaric oxygen therapy, exercise, nutrition, and detoxification programs to help support patients through a variety of conditions including autoimmune and neurological conditions, autism, allergies, cancer, and many others. 

Passionate about spreading the effectiveness of hyperbaric oxygen therapy, Dr Jason wrote the book, Oxygen Under Pressure, and regularly uploads to the HBOT USA YouTube channel. 

Learn more about Dr Jason and his work through his website, NJ HBOT Center, and Youtube.

You can also contact him through email (drjasonsonners@hbotusa.com).

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[REPLAY] How to Achieve Good Foot Health with Dave Liow17 May 202201:10:13
Do you ever pay much attention to your feet? Our feet are our first point of contact with the ground, and we walk around on them all day. But most people just wear shoes and call it a day. And if you’re a runner, then all the more reason to maintain good foot health! So how do we take care of our feet?

Dave Liow, an exercise physiologist and holistic movement coach, joins me in this episode to discuss feet and how to optimise foot health. We talk about some common foot conditions, and he also shares advice on selecting the right shoes and improving foot mechanics.

For runners and everyone else, don’t miss this episode and learn how you can achieve good foot health!

 

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  1. Find out how to take better care of your feet.
  2. Discover the benefits of going barefoot.
  3. Learn how to select the right shoe for you.

 

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Episode Highlights

[03:29] Why Feet?

  • When he started looking at movement, Dave noticed that the feet were one of the areas trainers had no idea about.
  • People have 28 bones in the feet and 55 articulations from below the knee. Over a third of the bones here are in the feet, which tells us how important they are.
  • It’s an area largely being neglected by movement experts and professionals.
[05:45] What Shoes Do to Our Feet
  • So much space in the brain is devoted to our feet and hands, and if you walk around with sensory deprivation chambers on them, you’ll lose that space.
  • The bottom of the foot (plantar fascia) is extremely precarious, full of reflectors that send information to your brain about how you’re moving and interacting with the ground.
  • By wearing shoes, we break that link.
[09:56] Improving Foot Mechanics and Foot Health
  • Keep your feet out of shoes as much as possible. Whenever Dave has the chance to go barefoot, he does.
  • By going barefoot, you are giving as much information to your feet as you possibly can.
  • Shoes provide a lot of support for your feet. Not wearing shoes will improve your feet’s strength.
  • A healthy foot is a mobile foot. If you can’t do a lot with your toes, it shows you need to do some conditioning on your feet to make them smarter and stronger.
  • Plantar fasciitis is one of the most common foot problems runners encounter. Listen to the full episode to learn more about some of the most common foot conditions!
[17:21] Bunions and How They Affect Your Foot Health
  • The exact cause of bunions is up for debate, but there is certainly a genetic and environmental component to it.
  • A bunion is when your big toe starts to go in and some calcification forms around the joint.
  • Bunions cause compressions in the foot, leading to problems in the nerves between the bones of your foot.
  • There should be adequate space between your toes, allowing your foot to move and breathe. This also applies to your footwear—your shoe should have a wide toe box to give your toes enough space.
  • You can do foot exercises for bunions to prevent the need for surgical treatment.
[24:10] How to Deal with Plantar Fasciitis
  • Typically, people who have plantar fascia issues will feel the bottom of their foot locked up, especially in the morning.
  • Increasing your running distance too quickly and incorrect foot mechanics are common causes of plantar fasciitis.
  • Icing the foot takes some of the pain away. Applying light pressure on the affected area can hydrate the tissues and make them healthier.
  • Adding the right kind of load to it will help line up the fibres and make it strong again.
  • Movement issues can disappear if you keep your body balanced.
[29:55] On Running Shoes
  • Dave and Lisa talk about a shoe that reportedly takes 4% of your running time.
  • More track records are broken lately due to the improvement in the technology used to create running shoes. These new shoes are all about sports and performance, not health.
  • There are different types of shoes for different purposes.
  • Being barefoot all time can also cause issues because what goes on your skin can absorb what goes on it.
[37:11] The Truth about High Heels
  • When you add an incline to your heel, it lifts you and pushes you forward, breaking your kinetic chain.
  • To avoid falling on their faces, people who wear high heels adjust by pushing their posture forward and arching the lower back more.
  • When you’re in high heels, you’re effectively pointing your toes. This shortens the calf muscles, which can end up reducing the motion in your ankle, pulling you into pronation, and collapsing the arch.
  • Wearing high heels often can change the way your muscles work.
[44:21] Supplementation for the Cartilage and Joints
  • Dave reads up on what he thinks is useful and what’s not, and he uses it on an individual basis.
  • A decent multivitamin is a good place to start.
  • Dave is a fan of probiotics and fish oil. However, if you’re sensitive to histamine, do your research first before taking probiotics.
  • He also recommends working fermented food like kimchi and sauerkraut into your diet if it suits you.
[51:08] Dave’s Take on Orthotics
  • Dave thinks if you have a foot without a structural issue or a neurological deficit, you can do without orthotics.
  • Orthotics provide support and are often prescribed to block motion.
  • Foot mechanics change when you have your foot on the ground versus in the air. A lot of the mechanics that are put into orthotics aren’t done in a closed chain, which changes the whole way the foot works.
  • If you think you may need an orthotic, consult first with someone who knows how they work and can give you proper advice.
  • Dave takes a holistic approach when it comes to foot health
[1:00:06] Dave’s Experience with Reflexology
  • There are different types of reflexology, but it’s often associated with feet.
  • The idea is your body is represented in smaller areas of your body that you can access.
  • Dave has tried reflexology on himself, and it worked well.
  • He particularly had some good results with the sinus points around the toes, which help to clear the sinuses.
  • He finds it relaxing, because looking after your feet is looking after your whole body—it’s all connected.
[1:02:52] How to Select the Right Shoe
  • Be careful of the marketing of shoe science.
  • In reality, it isn’t the shoe that makes the difference.
  • Pick a neutral shoe that feels good.
  • Research shows the more comfortable your shoe is, the more efficient you are.
  • Get the lightest and the most minimalist shoe that you are happy with.

 

7 Powerful Quotes from This Episode

‘I’m constantly dumbfounded by how little care people have taken on their feet’.

‘The foot and the ankle are a huge player in my model and certainly one that I think having a very big impact on how people move well’.

‘Shoe choice doesn’t start and finish when you’re done running—it’s throughout the day’.

‘Be careful where you expose your feet to because it will go in you and then we'll take it into your health. There's time and place for everything’.

‘It’s not about speed and power… It’s keeping everything as best as you can in optimal performance and stopping things before they fall down the cliff and being in that preventative space’.

‘If you think you can get everything out of your diet, even if you’re eating organic, you probably can’t… So certainly, some supplementation is useful’.

‘It’s not the shoe that does the running; it’s the person that does the running. Technique and conditioning and looking after yourself and your health has much more effect than a shoe ever will’.

 

About Dave Liow

Having mentored many coaches and trainers in New Zealand and Australia, Dave Liow is following his passion for sport and health and love for teaching. As a health professional, exercise physiologist and the founder of the Holistic Movement Coach Programme, he is constantly striving to find ways to be healthier and move better.

You may connect with Dave on LinkedIn or Facebook. You can also visit his website or watch his YouTube videos to learn how to take better care of your feet.

 

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Welcome to Pushing The Limits, the show that helps you reach your full potential with your host, Lisa Tamati, brought to you by lisatamati.com.

Lisa Tamati: Hi everyone, and welcome back to Pushing The Limits this week. So I have two guests. Dave Liow this time. Now Dave is a repeat offender on the show, and I love having him to guest. He is one of my great mentors. And I hope you're gonna get a lot out of today's session. 

Today, it's all about feet or so. This is one for the runners out there for sure. But also for just optimizing your foot health and also the whole kinetic chain, your feet where you connect with the ground obviously, and it affects your whole body. So we go to a deep dive into looking after yourself in regards to your feet. For the runners out there, it's all about playing for charters and bunions and picking the right running shoes. But there's also a whole lot of need for people to just have—want to know about good foot health. 

Before we head over to the show, Christmas is coming. So if you want to grab one of my books, or one of my jewellery pieces, I’ll love that. You can head over to lisatamati.com. All the things are on there. And we're gonna be having a little break over the Christmas period. Maybe one, maybe two weeks from the show. I'm not quite sure at the stage, depending on the team's requirements over that period. So I hope you do have a good time of the Christmas. If you're listening to this afterwards, I hope the New Year's starting off really well for you.

Before I go over to the show, just a reminder, I do have a couple of places left. We're nearly full on our one-on-one consultations, health optimization coaching. If you have a problem that you'd like to get help with, whether it's a high performance, whether you're a top athlete and wanting to get to the next level, whether you're wanting to work on your mindset, or maybe you've got a really complicated health challenge that you're just not getting any answers for, or you're having trouble sifting through all of the information and getting the right stuff—then please reach out to me, lisa@lisatamati.com. Right. Now over to the show with Dave Liow from the Holistic Movement Coach. 

Lisa Tamati: Well, hi everyone. Welcome back. Today I have the amazing, the incredible, awesomest, Dave Liow on the show. Dave, welcome back, repeat offender. 

Dave Liow: Hi Lisa.

Lisa: I'm super stoked to have you today.

Dave Liow: For the podcast you mean, right?

Lisa: You’re a repeat offender for the podcast. Coming back to give us more. Not an offender in any other way. 

Dave is an expert that I've had on before and he's definitely one of my mentors. And he's been to—Neil, my business partner for many years. And he is a mentor to many of the coaches and top trainers in New Zealand and Australia. So that's Dave's background. And you've got a background in physiology, don’t you Dave?

Dave: Yes. 

Lisa: You have a company called the Holistic Movement Coach. And will you—we're going to talk today about feet. People are like, ‘Wow, that's really interesting topic to talk about’. But it is. It's really, really exciting. Last time we had you on the show, we talked about the science of life, and that was one of the most popular episodes. So I'm really… 

Dave: Great!

Lisa: …happy to have you back on and to share some more of your absolute amazing wisdom. So today we've picked feet. What are we gonna to talk about, Dave? What are we going to share about feet and what you need to be aware of?

Dave: Well feet’s one of those interesting ones. So from—as a movement professional, which is really my background. Though, being a holistic movement coach, if you just look at movement, you're gonna come unstuck pretty soon. So when I started looking at movement though, one of the things that I noticed that was one of the areas that were neglected were feet. 

So we're seeing or looking at people's lumbar spines all the time and come to wideness not losing link from the top of the head. But a lot of trainers and movement professionals weren't even looking at people's feet. They had no idea what was going on, underneath those shoes of theirs.

So for those of you who might think about maybe the back, whatever. Imagine if someone was wearing a big potato sack over their whole body, and you couldn't see where the spine was at trying to train them. So trying to work with someone and get them to move well without looking at their feet is to me just crazy. 

Lisa: Yes, nonsensical.

Dave: Yeah. And we've got 28 bones in the feet. So 28 bones, and we've got 55 articulations from below the knee.

Lisa: Wow.

Dave: So over a third of the bones are in the feet there. So that tells you about just how important that area is there. We have a look at the muscles that run down below the knee too. We've got 50 muscles. So added it, 276 ortho muscles, I think that's about right muscles. We have 50 below the knee so that shows you just how important there is. And it's an area that I think has been largely neglected by moving professionals.

Lisa: Yes, it makes the total amount of sense. And we are on them all day, and we just shove them in a pair of shoes. And sometimes those shoes, you know, like ladies' high-heeled shoes, and tight shoes, and badly shaped shoes and don't do a lot barefoot—going out barefoot. Let’s start there, let’s start like—what does shoes do? When we put a pair of shoes on our feet? What sort of things are we taking away from our brain? Like, I always liken it to going around with a pair of gloves on my hands all day. I'm not going to be able to paint a picture and initiate anything, am I? Because I've just taken away all my proprioception and my ability to coordinate those fine motor controls with my hands. So we get that sort of analogy but actually, we do that to our feet all the time.

Dave: And that's a wonderful analogy, Lisa. And so the representation in your brain of your body is called homunculus. So your brain has representations of all your different body parts. And some body parts are represented very, very—have a very large representation in the brain because they may have a lot of sensation and require a lot of fine movement. 

So there's a huge representation in your brain of your face because if you look at the number of expressions you can do, and the articulations you can do with your tongue, your lips—there's a lot of area in the brain devoted to the face. Same with the hands as well. So you look at the fine movements you can do in your hands, isn't it? And how pink your hands are say compared to your elbow. It's incredible how much space in the brain is devoted to the hand. 

Now one other is the feet. The feet have a massive representation in the brain as well. But with that, though, we know the brain is plastic. It can evolve and it will adapt to whatever environment you're putting it into. If you're walking around with that, the gloves on your hand, or in this case as one of my mentors Phillip Beach would say, ‘With sensory deprivation chambers on your feet’…

Lisa: Wow.

Dave: ‘…you will lose that representation in your brain’. And the bottom of the feet is extremely propiocept. Isn’t it? So many on that plantar fascia, that part of the foot there, is full of receptors which send information up to your brain. Giving you information about where you are, how you're interacting with the ground, and how you're moving. And without that, and by breaking that link there, there's a price to pay.

Lisa: Yes, yes. And we just willy nilly wear shoes from the day we're born, pretty much. And if we're lucky in childhood, we might have run around bare feet a little bit. But most of us have got his feet and shoes all day. So you're saying that the—what did you call it? the munculus?

Dave: Homunculus.

Lisa: Humunculus?

Dave: Homunculus. 

Lisa: I never heard one before. I did, like, hear the representations. Like I don't know where I picked this up, some podcasts, some ways, something. If you have two fingers that you tape together for say a month.

Dave: Yes.

Lisa: When you untape them, you are unable to move them separately because the brain has wired them as being one unit. Another example of this is where people—they lose a limb. The brain still has the representation of that limb, even though the limbs are gone and they feel the pain of that limb. And this is like, the brain is like, ‘Hey, why? Where's my arm gone? Where's my leg gone’? or whatever. 

And we're doing this to much lesser degree but when we don't need our toes and our things wiggle and wobble and do the proprioception. Okay, and we can improve our performance. Now, as runners are listening to us, let's talk about a little bit why this is important for runners to be able to sense the grounds and have good proprioception. So what are some of the advantages of having good—taking good care of our feet and maybe going bare feet a little bit.

Dave: Oh, massive. One of my buddies, one of the things he has around feet—he has a lot of background in horse training. And he says, ‘No foot, no horse’. If you have a horse which damaged his hoof, then that's pretty much the end of that horse. They can't do a lot. And for you being an ultra-runner, Lisa, I'm sure you understand when your foot goes wrong. 

Lisa: Oh, yes. I'm in trouble. 

Dave: Yes, you are, you're in a lot of trouble. So I'm constantly dumbfounded by how little care people have take on their feet. I work on my feet every day without fail. 

Lisa: Wow. 

Dave: I'm certainly not an ultra-runner. I'm not the same class as you guys. But the amount of care that I take on one of my major movement teachers… I know this time when I lift…

Lisa: So okay, what are some of the things that you would do to improve your foot mechanics and your proprioception and stuff? I mean, obviously, it's a little bit difficult with our podcasts and we can't show. I’ve got some video but…

Dave: So there's that saying, ‘use it or lose it’. If your foot’s in a sensory deprivation chamber, you're gonna lose it pretty quick. So I like my foot to be out of things as much as possible, though...

Lisa: Like right now?

Dave: Yes. Quite a surprise, no shoe. Yes, I don't really wear shoes much. I wear [10:14 unintelligible] more than other shoes. If I'm running off-road, I'll certainly—and on concrete—I’ll wear some shoes. And we'll kind of talk about the shoe design a bit later on. But whenever I can go barefoot, I will. So if I can give as much information to my feet as possible—that's going to keep them smart, but also gonna keep them strong because shoes add support. That's what they are. 

Lisa: Yes.

Dave: You will not believe how much support shoes add. And you'll notice when you take them away, if you try and run barefoot, if you've been wearing sickly shoes with a lot of stability that added in there. So by going barefoot a fair amount of time, you get a very strong foot as well. So that doesn't come down to running shoes. And I guess we'll talk about running shoes in a bit. 

But if you're wearing running shoes all day, even when you're not running, well, you're adding support there 24/7. I understand that some people might want more support when you're running, when you've got high forces going through your feet, but walking around and running shoes all day or highly-supportive shoes. You're basically walking around with.

Lisa: Crutches. Yes, and making yourself lazy. You're making yourself lazy. Yes.

Dave: Yes, right. So you're certainly going barefoot as much as possible. Now I do a lot of work at night to make sure that my foot’s mobile. A healthy foot is a mobile foot. So one of the things that they’ll often say is ‘the foot is not a hoof’. A hoof is rock solid and hits the ground and off the coast. So look at what you can do with your hand. Okay, you should do an awful lot with your toes as well and get them moving. So if you've lost the ability to do that, it really shows that you need to do some conditioning work on your feet and get them smarter and stronger. 

Lisa: And if you don't, this is where some problems come up. If you can wiggle your toes and all that sort of stuff, you can prevent issues like yes—let's look at a couple of a common running problems that people get. Things like plantar fasciitis is a biggie, or even going up the leg a little bit. Like shin splints, and the problems in the calf, in the Achilles. Are these coming from the feet at all?

Dave: Well, they’re coming from running. And there's some sort of mechanics going on there. But think of the foot, that's your first contact with the ground. When that goes wrong, everything in the chain will [12:37 unintelligible]. And if we think about something like a marathon, you've got 30 to 50,000 impact on the ground. That's a lot of race. So something's going wrong. This repetition over and over and over again. That's gonna end up breaking you. 

And we're talking about forces, which you can't—two to five times your body weight depending how you're running. Now that’s a hell of force, a hell of a repetition. If something's not working right there, you will pay the price. Will you pay that price? Well, it depends. 

But if we look at running injuries, straight off the top. Probably 15% of those will be at the knee. So the knee is normally the one that pays the price. But you know, I often say this in my lectures. Knee’s a dump. I knew that they kind of extracted and they've been—they have a little bit of rotation. But you see that one too much. And they have a little bit of sideways motion, but you don’t want too much of that either. So the knees are dump. So it's not only the knees fault that the knee gets some problems. It's normally the foot and ankle, or it's normally the hip, that's normally where I'll go. 

And if you're a runner and you're getting knee pain, I'd be looking at either the foot and ankle. After the foot and ankle I will be looking at their hips straight away. There's something going wrong in those areas there. So about 50% of people will get knee pain more common in females than males by a long shot. Now, we look at kind of around, kind of Achilles as well. That's another area that can get a fair bit of problems as well. That's probably around…

Lisa: That's mum, as usual. Ringing in the middle of the podcast.

Dave: Calling mum. So around 10% of people get Achilles issues. That's another really common one and that's more a male thing. So that's the case, the 40 plus male is that actually the shoe. But then you'll get your IT band and touch that, which is probably around like 5% of the injuries. [14:32 unintelligible] can be in the foot or your tibia as well. And that's probably around 5% too. 

So those are the main injuries. You'll see that getting running back, but knees if I was gonna go after one injury in running, knees are normally the one that pay the price. And there's certainly a big relationship between the foot and the knee. Ginormous.

Lisa:  Right. So it's not always go up. Mechanics of the knees is the actual problem is down, or above, or below. 

Dave: Yes. Almost always. Unless you've had an impact at the knee? Yes, you can treat the knee and always look at knee because if people come and see you for a knee injury, if you start playing the beat straight away, they'll go, ‘Well, hang on’. 

Lisa: ‘What's this going on’? But it does make sense that the kinetic chain and the linking together and trying to find out where the original problem was coming from. Not just where—because like Neil's always said to me, ‘You know, like, if you've got a problem with your ankle, it can affect your shoulder’. And I’m like, ‘How does that work’? You know?

Dave: Absolutely. Yes. Where it goes, nobody knows.

Lisa: And how do you trace it back? How do you trace up a back problem to the ankle? Or the piriformis?

Dave: If you know what it should look like and it doesn't look like what it should look like, well, what happens if you change and make it look more like it should? How does that change things? And that's normally in a nutshell the approach that I'll take. I guess that’s where you need to have a reasonable reference library of saying that, nothing more than my fair share of runners. And I'm sure you have too. I mean, if you feel someone running down the street, now you go, ‘That's not a very experienced runner’, or ‘Oh, boy, that's very experienced runner’. Well, you know that because you've seen so many runners. 

So having that, I guess, experience in that database to draw from, and then understand the mechanics, and really add into it what you got. And I know what you gotta do in your Running Hot business. Well, you understand your body and you understand running technique, you can put that together and solve some wonderful problems. 

Lisa: Yes, absolutely. But it is like a bit of a counterintuitive thing. I had a guy like, ‘Oh my piriformis’. Like Neil said to me the other day when he saw me, ‘Oh my God. Your bunions are getting really out of control. We got to do something about that’. And I'm like, ‘Oh, is it’? Sometimes you don't notice the things because you're just seeing them every day. You know? So let's talk about—let’s say some specific type of things that we are looking at. So let's look at bunions for that. What are bunions? And what effect can they have on the mechanics of your feet and up the body?

Dave: Yes. So bunions—the quarter bunions is up for debate. There is certainly a genetic component to it. So either your mum probably has bunions. I guess.

Lisa: Yes. Yes. Yes, you're right on money. 

Dave: But that there’s also a big environmental part to it as well. So bunions, when your big toe starts to go in, then you'll end up with normally some calcification around that, well, that first joint—the joint in the big toe—that's probably a better way of saying it, around there as well. 

What that does too is compresses the foot. The big toe goes sideways compared to it goes to the next [18:02 unintelligible], that compresses the foot, as well. So we get a lot of compression in that foot. They cause a number of problems. In between those bones in your foot. You've got a lot of nerves that run through there. So when those toes get compressed together, those nerves can get very irritated. Next, become very, very painful. 

So and probably just as a little sideline here, if you were to pop your hands just in front of you there—if you're driving a car, listen to this, it's probably not such a good idea. But try this later on, you just put your hand down and look at your hand. So notice the space between your fingers there, that you put your foot down and have a look at your foot, you should also see space between your toes as well. Spacing’s really important to allow that room for the foot to move, to breathe. And also to get those space for all those straps in your foot to go.

Lisa: And that’s with you naturally just having the foot there and not trying to spread them but just...

Dave: Just naturally you should see space between your toes. 

Lisa: Oh, wow.

Dave: That you see a nice wide foot there. I love it. I love a good wide foot. Yes, so compression in those toes. And that can be a footwear choice thing too. So if you have shoes, and we've talked about toe box, that's the front part of a shoe. So we go out the toe box, this area through here. So the step front pair of shoes give a wide toe box in a shoe design that lets the foot spread out versus one that narrow and pushes the toes together.

Lisa: Gosh. I should know about that. Yes. A lot of the shows that I get, I get sponsored by some brand or whatever. And then like I couldn't wear them. 

Dave: Yes, the kiwi foot. Yes, and also this is a column that does this as well. 

Lisa: Yes. 

Dave: And with me, I've got a nice wide foot. I will not wish you for the narrow toe. It caused me nothing but problems. So footwear choice can be one of the things they also drive a bunion. 

Now the other part too is that, when you've got that big toe and that big toes moving sideways, rather than going through the foot, you will often go inside the foot and fall into it. You get more pronation than what you normally have. So we lose the arch of the foot because the way the foot’s designed to move is your desire to move through and move through the big toe. 

So, when we talk about the cycle of walking and running, we even have a phase of that called toe off. Because that's a really important part with a big toe pushes off. So if your big toe is going sideways, it's going to be—when you can't go through the toe, we’ll have to go around the toe. And that will cause a lot of wear and tear that can, after a while, that will start to break that foot down. 

Now that may require you to drink, unless you do some exercises. In Sydney, we have some real bunion experts and my team, some of my guys love working with bunions. And you can certainly bring that foot back if you have surgery to repair bunions. So if you don't do the work, well the same thing is going to happen again. You just go straight across and they'll end up having to cut your foot open.

Lisa: Yes, yes.

Dave: My mum had bunions. But I gave her a little exercise program, and I'm pretty sure that's on my—that may be on my YouTube channel. 

Lisa: Okay, we might get the link off here. 

Dave: And yes, if not, I'll put it on there. And yes, she had some exercise to do for bunions. Her bunions pain disappeared and my mum's in her 70s. So you can certainly reverse that and have her feet are straighter. I’ve had some people come back from their podiatrist and I go to say, ‘What the hell have you been doing? What have you been doing? Keep doing it. Because your toes are straightening, and your foot in better condition’.

Lisa: So you can sometimes avoid surgery. Wow, that's pretty amazing. That's pretty amazing.

Dave: Well, and even if you have surgery, if you don't do the follow up, you're gonna end up having it again. It’s a huge amount of work with a huge amount of things you can do to help out your bunions.

Lisa: Okay, that's really good because I have—got a very neglected bunion. I've always like, ‘Oh, it’s not causing me major troubles yet’. You know? Now I'm thinking, ‘Shoot. I need to address it’, because it's getting, like, Neil noticed that last time I was with him, it's getting worse. And I'm, ‘Oh, this is it? I thought it was the same old, same old’. Neil exclaimed no. And I've got troubles with piriformis. And I'm like, ‘I've been looking at piriformis trying in working on that’. And that could be, could be, could be, might not be, could be a knock on the feet there.

Dave: So thinking about how that could relay. If you've got that bunion here, and your foot’s falling into pronation and it’ll take the knee with it, and it will take that whole hip and will rotate in and everything will rotate in there. What stops it? Well piriformis can stop that. So if piriformis is having to make up for a foot function issue there, well, that's worth working. 

If you release piriformis, and get that guy—well, now you've got nothing holding your foot together. So where's that guy next to the public often deal on the spine? That's probably where we're going next. And then it could be somewhere else too, or it could travel to the knee.

Lisa: Yes. 

Dave: So, you know, we talked before about finding the source. Fixing the foot would be a really useful one. And if you're still on your feet, a fair amount, which knowing who you are, you certainly want that contact with the ground.

Lisa: Yes. Yes. Yes.

Dave: Sort it out.

Lisa: Like paying attention to the little changes that are happening in your body because sometimes you think, ‘Oh, no, you know, it's all the same’. And then you don't see changes in your own body when you don't, when you see yourself every day, or your loved ones. Or sometimes you just like got your own little blind spots. Okay, so if we can dig that video out, we'll put that in the show notes for sure. 

Let's talk about plantar fasciitis because this is a major problem. One of the most common running problems, especially the people who have up the distance very quickly or done some things here, what is plantar fasciitis and what can we do to deal with it one?

Dave: So the left part of fascia is a layer of fat or connective tissue that goes right along the bottom of the foot. And as I mentioned before, that has a lot of receptors on it. So it's very rich in receptors, though can get extremely painful. And typically people who have plantar fascia issues will get out of bed and they'll try to put their foot down, and take a snack, or walk, and start walking, and the whole bottom their foot will be locked up. It'll take a while for that to loosen up so they can use that foot. 

More often, you'll get that around the front of the heel, so none of them pointed the heel back in towards the centre of the foot. And sometimes that'll run up in bands as well. Now, the change in volume too quickly is your number one culprit which you mentioned. And that centre area. But certainly some foot mechanics can also have an issue there as well. So the plantar fascia is—in your foot, you've got well, definition you got 50 muscles that run below their knee—all could help control that foot. Your plantar fascia is there, it winds up, and plucky when you bend your big toe. It helps wind up that panic factor to help make the foot rigid to make it to leave so you can push off it. 

That's one of the—there’s sort of two main functions of a foot. The first one is to allow the foot to splat is my technical term. Hits the ground and conforms to the surface that it goes to, number one function. Second one is it becomes a rigid lever so you can repel off it. Well, that's pretty much what a foot does. If you have kind of with a narrow down. 

So we've got an issue there with that timing between backing and becoming a rigid lever. And the plantar fascia is wearing it somewhere there. Now there's—we can look at the plantar fascia, and you can try and treat the plantar fascia. But there's a lot of layers of muscles and a lot of timing that happened before that plantar fascia that’s been beaten up. So there's something gone wrong with the timing of how you're going from flat to rigid lever that's causing that. 

And particularly if you overload into that. So if you've increased your volume too much, that's often the last well, kilometre, or 1000 footsteps that broke the camel's back. So I want to look at what's happening with the ankle and the foot, and I'm always interested in the big toe when it comes to plantar fascia.

Lisa: Right, so that's your big lever. Point, really big toes when you push off and you get that elasticity sort of wound up.

Dave: Massively important part that big toes. The amount of bones you have in that big toe, and for those of you with bunions, or pinchy injuries in that big toe joint as well. That's a really important one to get looked at. That can have a massive effect on everything up the chain. 

Lisa: Wow. Yes. And what can you do about it? Are there some exercises that you recommend? Like, you might have fascia release, you make your ball rolling, that type of thing for the actual plantar fasciitis itself, the stretching and icing, and all that jazz?

Dave: Icing can be nice, and that takes some of the pain away because it’s very painful. Having some light pressure in those areas too can help hydrate the tissues and get them healthier again. Because during—if you have some sore spots in their plantar fascia, often they won't have the hydration and the movement, because it's still layers and layers of tissue. Now, if you can get those moving better and hydrated, that will heal better. 

Adding some load to it can be useful too, you just need to be careful where you are in their injury spectrum. But it actually does require some loading because the loading will help actually line up the fibres and get that strong again. But it needs to be the right type of loading starting slowly and building up. That sort of mechanics. In big toe, you'd be wanting to have a look at and also what's happening with the ankle. Check that you've got enough dorsiflexion to get into more. How much can you bring your ankle? If you've got a restriction on the ankle and a restricted big toe, your plantar fascia—well, everything in the foot but the plantar fascia, may end up wearing that one.

Lisa: Yes, yes. And there's a couple of tricks to do with the dorsiflexion that I can link to another video there that Neil's done. Where you can push that—I’ve forgotten it—talus bone. Where you pushing it back into—because sometimes there’s some sort of a line. Yes, this one,  this one. Trying to find the words.

Dave: Restoring their ankle dorsiflexion will be critical. I think that the foot and ankle, I'll look at three main zones in the body. In terms of my model for looking at movement. If you get the torso moving really well, that's very important for rotation. If you're running, you get the pelvis and hips moving really well, that would be my second zone. And the third zone would be the foot and ankle. So if you can get those three zones working well, normally I take 85% of the movement issues will just disappear. Right? And so the foot and ankle are a huge player in my model, and certainly one that I see having a very big impact on how people move well or done don’t move well.

Lisa: Yes. Now, that's really good. So the torso, the pelvis, and the feet. So working on those areas in trying to get things balanced. 

Dave: Yes, well, the big thing on that that's where I missed them. 

Lisa: And those are the three areas—the key areas—and obviously it's the score a lot of work Dave but yes. It's everything from drills and exercises and it's what we do, what you do. 

Let's look at now, for runners, talking about running shoes, and buying running shoes, and picking a shoe that's good for you and what you're doing. You were showing me some running shoes before and for people on the podcast, you can't see, but says Kipchoge ones, what do you call them? What are those shoes?

Dave: So these are Nike's Zoom Fly shoes. So for those of you who are listening to this, rather than watching it, so this is the shoe that Kipchoge wore to get his sub-2-hour marathon. And they have fibre placement, which have an awful lot of recoil. And also, it is over four centimeters of foam here, but the foam has incredible amount of recoil. 

Lisa: Wow. 

Dave: So the theory is these will take 4% of your running time. 

Lisa: Wow, that’s messed up. 

Dave: There’s actually a spreadsheet, which I got hold up to. We can actually look at your running times and calculate how much of a difference it would make to your running performance. And yes, I mean, who wouldn't pay for 4%? 

Lisa: Yes.

Dave: Mostly runners, my straight line runners, will compete in these. And you'd be a magnet to, if you want to run fast on straight lines. These are extremely high and extremely unstable. If you wouldn’t run on trail with these, no way. 

Lisa: Like the HokaOnes, you know, like really deep into the thing that a big sole... 

Dave: No, these are high. And they're incredible amount of recoil. They do push you very much, your forefoot style. So what I’ve noticed for days, I totally didn't want to like these.

Lisa: Cause you want more people to go bare feet.

Dave: I ran in them last week. This is ridiculous. 

Lisa: Ridiculously good. 

Dave: The speed and ease is something else. And certainly most of my runners who run straight liner, competing in these and certainly in the meantime and now, unless athletes have sponsors, those are the shoes they are picking up. And why wouldn't you if you can—I mean getting 4% improvement in performance is there's something else, even with training. If you can get that by paying for it, why wouldn't you?

Lisa: So basically, it's elasticity that they're using. It’s the spring, it's the coil, it's the ability to bounce you off the ground, it's like being on a trampoline. So you're gonna get more force. 

Dave: Right. 

Lisa: Taking your foot.

Dave: Well, yes. The energy is returned a lot more efficiently. So you'll notice that there's a whole host of track records been broken lately, and then closed the marathon. And yes, the technology had a big part in playing it. I think that the next Olympics, the shoe feature extremely heavy. And a lot of a lot of other manufacturers are using this technology now. And they have a lot stricter with the technology they can use in those events now. So there's the level playing field. 

Lisa: If you want to level the playing field, it's a thing—if we start having an unlevel playing field, and that's where it becomes a bit problematic. 

Dave: And they're recouping broken now. And there'll be more broken with this sort of new technology coming through.

Lisa: And from a foot health perspective, are they okay, in that respect, or you just didn't want to like them? 

Dave: No, it's not about—it’s sports. Sports is not about health.

Lisa: Performance is not about health. No

Dave: No.

Lisa: It should be but it depends… It’s not always the case.

Dave: That's the point, though. I mean, if you wear these around all throughout the day, why would you do that? And having four centimeters of foam between you and the ground can  be put to sleep. So look, I would—if I'm wanting to do a fast run and I don't really do much of that anymore—but if I was doing a faster training run with them, with a buddy of mine who runs pretty quick, I would definitely wear these. 

I'm walking all day barefoot. I'm doing full exercises throughout my day. I'm waking up my feet all the time to look after my feet in-between. So you know, this foot choice, shoe choice doesn't stand finished when you're running. It's throughout the day. And that way, you'll choose a different type of shoe. If I was wearing a shoe during the day, my normal shoe would be something that's very minimal, which allows my foot to feel the ground and do things, if I need to wear footwear.

Lisa: Yes. And sometimes you don't, you know? 

Dave: Yes. And I think that's an important thing too. We've always—there's always extremes. Yes. So I'll see the odd person is taken to the extreme, and they'll go barefoot all the time. And I think you need to be careful of that too. So from a health point of view, yes. So where I live, you wouldn't run—I have run some trails barefoot but there are sharp rocks around there. But also we have snakes there which is a bit of a problem. So I've done the odd barefoot run, but it makes you pretty nervous. The other part too, is what goes on your skin, goes in you.

Lisa: Yes, me too. You talked about that on—what was it on? Something you were talking about the other day. You were talking the skin and your feet.  When your lectures that I was learning from you, right? And you were saying how your daughter was barefoot, which was great, but you went to get some picture with the car. 

Dave: Yes. 

Lisa: And she wanted to run across the full court bare feet and you said, ‘No, put your shoes on’.

Dave: Yes. Gotta have shoes. If you go into public toilets, or you're going on a forecourt of a petrol station, if you're walking barefoot on those, those chemicals are getting into your thing. 

Lisa: Yes. So also, if you're walking barefoot too, and certainly in Asia and I have an Asian background, you bringing into your house when you go in there too. So be careful where you expose your feet to, because it will go in you, and then we'll take it into your house.

Lisa: Yes.

Dave: So yes, there's time and place for everything.

Lisa: Yes, yes, that's so true. And this is where some other minimalist shoes come in. So and like, social etiquette and stuff, you don't—you can't go to the gym without some sort of footwear on. Most places will tell you off. Well, gym maybe.

Dave: My gym, we actually have a gym shoes off policy, right? If we want people to move well, we need all the sensors working well. So we want as much information from those shoes from those feet as possible. So people understand where they are on the ground. Then we have covered where people put their shoes in. 

And now not everyone is trying to barefoot. And we have some people who have some structural foot issues who do require some footwear, as well tend to move well. So, if you drop a dumbbell on your foot, having a shoe isn't really going to help you. But as one of my main etiquette contains the meat.

Lisa: And most gyms prescribe that you have to have shoes on when you go to them. They do. And these social situations, you can't go to the opera with bare feet. It's not cool. And that brings me to ladies in high heels. What are we doing to our bodies when we wear…

Dave: Oh boy.

Lisa: …lovely, elegant? We look very elegant in high heels. What the hell are we doing to ourselves?

Dave: Okay, so yes, you mentioned that word kinetic chain before. And the idea there is when you change one part, it will change something else with. That's what a kinetic chain does. Okay, a closed kinetic chain. So when you add an incline to your heel, and lift yourself up there, that pushes you forward. So if you have a stiletto on or something very high, you’ll fall on your face unless you adjusted. So where will you adjust? You'll normally do that by pushing your pose forward, by arching your lower back more. So often, the problem that you'll see with high heels will be it changes up the chain. 

As well as that when you're in high heels, you're effectively pointing your toes. So if you're in a flat shoe, you'd have been in your ankles. In a high heel, your toes are pointed more. So what that does is that will shorten the calf muscles. And that’s why, if you look at a woman in high heels, she has more definition in the calves because those calf muscles are shortened up. But if you're wearing high heels an awful lot there, what that will do is shorten up that calf, it may make it harder for you to bend that ankle again, which will cause you some different issues, and for those of you who are a bit more technical minded too, peroneus longus, okay, will be one of the muscles which is a part of the action which will be shortened.

The peroneus longus comes around a riff underneath the foot and a wrench into the base of that big toe. So it pulls you down into pronation so it collapses the arch. So if you've been wearing high heels an awful lot, that peroneus longus can shorten, which can end up reducing your amount of bend in your ankle and also will pull you into more pronation. Apparently, the good thing that allows you to splat, but remember we also want to make the foot rigid after that so it can repel often. 

But if you end up mucking around with muscles, and changing the way they work, and certainly by placing a high heel, and you're certainly going to do that, that will do that. And it will change the way the peroneus longus works and wears out the muscles, which will change that timing, that intricate timing that we need to have in the foot.

Lisa: Wow. And so ladies, keep your high heels for special occasions and not everyday use if you can. And I mean I—working with mum and she was in the bed for a long time, bedridden. Drop foot, you know, same thing basically. But just on a horizontal because she couldn't stand so she couldn't get that dorsiflexion happening, and then I was not aware of it at the time that this was a problem when it was happening, and I caught it quite late. And then we had to have her in a boot to try and straighten that out and now she's got a rigid ankle pretty much. So she's got no dorsiflexion, therefore she can't roll over the front of your foot and off nicely. So her whole gait is more flat footed. And these things knock on very early. And then it happens quite quickly that you start to get dropped foot. 

Even if you think about life, wake up in the morning and that first time the foot hits the floor, and you've got like, ‘Oh yes, stuff. Stuff on the calf muscles feeling scuffles within the Achilles. And this is a—getting onto the Achilles toe’. If you're getting that initial stiffness when you get up in the morning, there's something brewing and maybe start to look at it. Achilles is a good—that's a good indicator that so step in the morning. How are you feeling? If you're bouncing out of bed and you can get out of bed and run down the hallway and you find you've got nothing, then you probably, not too bad.

Dave: I think that's a great point here. You should wake up feeling reasonably good. I mean it’s not a margarine commercial. You shouldn't jump out of bed, ‘Hey. Hello world’. That's probably the only thing you'd be happy about if you're eating that stuff. But that's a whole other conversation. 

I had a professional athlete who I was working with, and we were talking one morning and was actually helping, deciding—standing up, deciding we were gonna go with him. And he said, ‘Yes. So how things young is young? What’s your story? I didn't have a car stand up. And then I go, ‘Sharon district’. About 40 minutes later, I'm ready to move. That's normal, right? ‘No, no, that's not normal. Your body normal is not being in pain and struggling to move. That's not normal.. 

Lisa: Oh but it's age, Dave. That's the next thing, he’ll tell you. It’s just normal aging.

Dave: So now I think too, you know. Let’s you've got a—sorry for those of you who are in different hemispheres. But a classic car in the southern hemisphere was a Ford Cortina. Now imagine you've got a 1984 Cortina in your garage, and it's chrome. It's beautiful. And you've looked after it wonderfully. That car drives fantastically in your own town, you think this is the best car ever. But if you take a 1980 Ford Cortina, and you don't maintain it, and you just drive it hard, you won't have it here today. 

Lisa: Yes. 

Dave: Okay. So if you've got a classic car, it can run really well. But you need to put some extra care and maintenance into it. 

Lisa: Absolutely.

Dave: That's all it is. So, but you can have a young—you can have a new sports car. You can trash it's probably gonna be a little bit better. But yes, so the older you are, the more keen you’re taking care of your classic car.

Lisa: We fit into the classic category now. 

Dave: That's another spin on that too. You know, ages is one thing.  But I kind of look at these young athletes, I think you're—you can you can keep up with me. You haven't got the experience I've got. Play that card. It's not there's not just physical is a lot more that goes on to it. And take a look at the outer world. And know that certainly, the more of a mental game that's required, the better it suits your experience. 

Lisa: Yes, in Roman times, like, it's not about speed and power after a 100k, it sort of starts to come down to…

Dave: Yes.

Lisa: So yes, it is. It's an attitude for life. There's a number of rounds on the clock, but it's keeping everything as best as you can in optimal performance and stopping things before they fall down the cliff, and being in that preventative space. And that's what we're both all about. And that's why you’re taking good care of your joints, and your muscles, and your hydration, and all of those exercises is really, really key. Let's talk a little bit now around, what's your take, I'd like to hear just on general and for joints and cartilage and stuff? Things like sulfur, MSM, conjugated salt, and so Glucosamine, that sort of supplementation for cartilage and joints you know anything about this? If it’s a cool thing or not?

Dave: It's really cool at one of my key areas. Look, supplements are strange one. And certainly my take on that really changed over the last few years. And now if you think you can get everything out of your diet, even if you're eating organic, you probably can't. So there's certainly some supplementation useful. I'm very big on getting an evidence base on that though. 

So there's this push where we've almost seen our science as lying now. We need to be able to do our supplementation, to what you want to choose. But what I found now is basically you become a victim to marketing now. So there's a fine line between the two. So I read up on what I think is useful, and what's not, and I use it on an individual basis. But I'd like to cover the basics first, and often think that we're thinking they're tasting things like curcumin. Another problem with curcumin by the way, as well some other some other supplements here when you're not even looking at the basics. So do the big rocks first.

Lisa: Yes, I'm big on those pretty you know those ABCD. Selenium, zinc, magnesium-type base. Not sexy, but very essential for genetic functions. Yes.

Dave: A decent multivitamin is probably a bloody good place to start, and then you can start fine tuning from there. Sure. I take a few other things, as well. I'm a big fan of a decent probiotic, and veering those probiotics around. I think that's really important. And I use that as a food source as a supplement. I do like my fish oils. I think there is a part to play in that. 

Lisa: Yes. Those are wild.

Dave: Wild, wild, wild small fish is the way you want to go and watch out for the processing on those as well, they can get...

Lisa: Very very important to get the right fish source, you get right fish source ,and you'll be doing the opposite to what you need to kick the company out especially... In our next conversation. I know we're getting a bit off topic but probiotics, I've done quite a lot of study around the probiotics, and some of the problems of probiotics, and has domains, and causing inflammation and allergic reactions. Have you found any one in particular that you'd say, ‘Yes, that one's been really good for a lot of people’. This got a good clinical base to it?

Dave: Yes. There's a few brands that I tend to like. These…

Lisa: Deep in here without any proof on that question, but I was interested for myself because I'm looking at our probiotics.

Dave: Syntol is a brand I quite like. Syntol, S-Y-N-T-O-L iis a brand that I've used for probably the last decade. That's an industrial strength one which works really well. Also Bio-Heal is another one, which I think is a pretty decent one. And the reason I like those brands is that they don't need refrigeration. And the Syntol is more spore one so it can be a bit bitter as well.

Lisa: Yes. Because it's got to get through the digestive, the stomach, the action, into the lower. And I know like the science in this area is still a very much an evolving space. And a lot of this, I have had a couple of clients been on probiotics that you get out of off the shelf or supermarket type thing. They ended up with histamine reactions and things like that because they do have often—so if you're sensitive to histamine and you might want to check it out a little bit more, and just be toe in the water and find out. So it's a little bit hard to know because I think the jury's still out in some regards. But I think but the spore based ones…

Dave: Yes, there seems to be built in there. I feel like most fermented foods, they won't suit everyone, for sure. They served me really well. So I make my own kimchi. I make my kombucha. I make my own sauerkraut. Do some water kefir as well. I often use a little bit of fermented foods to help my gut work. And every culture and everywhere in the world has some form of fermented food. And we realize as developing communities that we need to look after our gut health needs, and we didn't have refrigeration was probably the other thing as well. Then those are very health giving. And it still exists in most cultures today, and it's certainly something that I'd recommend if it suits you to work into your diet.

Lisa: Yes, and that is where I know—working with the PH-316 epigenetics programme that we do that there are certain biotypes. And one of them that can miss to watch the amount of fermented foods because it can again—cause histamine problems in inflammation in the body—so that is a bit of a bit more a personal genetic thing too, as rather than across the board. 

But to be fair, I think that's everything needs to be personalized nowadays. And we've got a lot I wouldn't say we've got an all sass but there is a lot of science around what type of thing for what person and which genes, for which foods, and I don't think it's by any means perfect yet. The science behind it, but we can get a bit of an idea on some of these things. So just because it's healthy for Dave doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be healthy for Lisa, you know? So a little bit of experiment, and I'm a big experimenter, versus showing one of my athletes into my pantry. And it looks more like a cumulus isn't well supplement shop rather than a... 

And I don't take on things all the time but I'm always experimenting on my own body, and trying to optimize, and to see what sort of things are having which effect and then trying to take note of it, and keep track of it, and trying to work out. A little bit hard when you keep chucking 100 variations at things. It's not exactly a clinical study where you do one variation. But…

Dave: Eating is one. 

Lisa: Eating is one. Yes, exactly. And keeping testing. But back to the whole foot scenario talking that—I mean, you and I can end up in bloody all sorts of areas. What's your take on orthotics? I wanted to ask that again. Jury's out of my mind on orthotics and I'm not sure.

Dave: That’s a real polarizing one. I'm gonna make myself unpopular with some people here, but here's my take on it. I'm not—I'm not a [51:17 unintelligible]. If you have a foot that hasn't got a structural issue, or a neurological deficit, you can work without orthotics. Okay, so orthotics add support, and they will normally block motion. Okay, that's what they're pretty much designed to do. 

So normally, when they describe orthotics, they'll look at, ‘Okay, there's too much motion. We will block that motion so that the foot can do its thing’. You block motion, some way though. What we know is that motion will be taken up somewhere else. And in that closed chain, where that motion goes will often have problems. 

So let's have a look, if you've got a foot that doesn't dorsiflex well, so the ankle doesn't bend well. Now what will happen is the only way you can bend their ankle now is to roll inside or to over pronate. That's the only way you can go there. But rather than go through the foot, you go around the foot now.

So what may happen is, if you have no thoughts to stop that pronation, go, ‘What's happened now’? Okay? Now you can't pronate the foot, you can't work at the ankle, what's going to go next? You may end up taking up a knee. But now you'll end up with a knee issue, when you may come in with a foot issue. You may end up with a knee issue, or it may end up going into the hip or the lumbar spine, or as far as into the neck, which is a common thing or even to the head. 

I've seen from people who've had a foot issue and they get hit out when they start hitting the pavement because it goes right through the chain. And that's it ends up tearing them up. So when you enter [52:53 unintelligible], if you've got a painful foot, it can be very useful temporarily to change what's going on, or a structure or neurological deficit. Otherwise, think of a crutch. 

Okay, if I break my leg, ‘Oh, I want to break around my knee without smashing my knee to smithereens. I want to break around my knee and I want to wear crutches to start with’. 

Now, oh boy that feels so good having extra support in there. And I've restricted that range around my knee because it's too painful to move. But 10 years later, I wouldn't want to be still be wearing that same brace on my knee with a crutch. And I wouldn't want to go in there each year and get that brace changed a little bit and realtered.

So I look at some of your thoughts that come into me and I look at that foot and I look at your foot and I go, ‘I have no idea’. I kind of—foot mechanics is tricky stuff. But I've put a fair bit of work into it. Like I understand how feet generally work, I think. I look at that foot and I look at that person, and I think, ‘I can’t see what’s that relating to at all’. I don’t know what you’re seeing, but that's not what I see. 

And there’s a few things around some of the theory of orthotics which are a little bit tricky around foot mechanics change when you have your foot on the ground versus when you—whether your foot in the air. 

Lisa: Of course. 

Dave: A lot of the mechanics that are put into orthotics aren't done in a closed chain, which changes the whole way the foot works. Though, there is some stuff there. I've had piles of orthotics thrown away over the year. I have products come into me and I go, ‘What?’ And I'll test them. It'll take people with them, without them, and they'll go better without them. I had some people that do need them though, because they had some neurological issues for their head structural foot issues, where their foot is broken beyond repair, where it does need some help. 

And making good orthotics, definitely—for those of you who maybe have a diabetic foot or have had some issues around there. Some of the orthotics I've seen that have come and have been worked about and are amazing, though there is some there are some amazing work on orthotics. And that's probably my outtake on this one. So finding someone who's very good at that, and looking after a foot in trouble is a real skill.

Lisa: It is. I've got a friend, Lisa Whiteman, who owns a China podiatry clinics, right, throughout New Zealand, and their stuff is next level. But the science and technology that they have in order to get the right things for that. So if you're thinking of doing it, make sure you go to somebody who really knows this stuff, and not just any sort of orthotic. And test it, and try it, and see whether you're getting something through up the train, fix that. And question with the immediate, long term—I've never had any benefit out of an orthotic. And I've only got, again, one anecdotal in me. 

But we're not—like dealing with someone like my mum with a neurological problem, and limited dorsiflexion. I am considering the next opportunity I get to take down to Wellington to go and see my friend and go into her clinic and get her an assist, that might be, for example, a situation where something like that could be called for, because she's lost that motion and the ankle, so we haven't got it to work with.

Dave: So we do have problems from the bottom up. So the foot can cause a problem going up, but also it can probably be going down too. 

Lisa: Yes, yes. 

Dave: Okay, so life exists below the knee. So certainly, it's way useful to look at a foot, but I don't fit those other areas as well, because you're gonna have a lot of problems that are caused from up the chain that go down as well.

Lisa: Yes, yes, yes.

Dave: That's where I get a little bit concerned, sometimes where people look at just the foot by itself.

Lisa: It's reductionist. Doesn't that? It's like, yes, and I mean, we can have a conversation around reduction as sort of thinking, in medicine, and in every area really is looking at single piece of the puzzle.

Dave: And that is useful. We go to put it back through, you gotta work it.

Lisa: Got to put the screw to the chain. I love the imagery. Like, you've taught me the cell blueprint recently. That is a reductionist model, it's bringing things down onto the cellular level and saying, what is the cell going, and then what is the tissue doing, and the organ doing, and the system doing. But we are going back up through the system. And looking at it from another perspective, and when you just look at a piece of the puzzle and go, ‘Right. Oh, I got such because your ankle when I wiggle it, like this isn't doing it before you have this problem’. That's a reductionist view on it. And this is why the holistic—ike you, the holistic movement coach, and where the holistic run training system, because it says about being fit, holistic, and looking at things outside of your core focus. You know, like, when a runner comes in, they want to do an ultra-marathon, and we're gonna be looking at their health. 

Dave: Absolutely.

Lisa: In general, we're gonna be looking at their mindset. We're gonna be looking at their nutrition, not just if they're running the right amount of kilometres a week. It's far more complicated than that. And then holistic look at things as really—you want to be working with coaches, and doctors and health professionals that are taking a holistic—and we're possible, a personalized approach to what you're doing. And this takes time. And this takes more money. And this takes more education. And in a broader knowledge on a lot of subjects. So you're not going to find this on every street corner but I think that approach is just a much better way to look at things in general. 

And that's why, like, you might need a holistic movement coach, but you're an absolute expert in so many areas. Now, it's just insane the level of knowledge that you have. And we're trying to, I'm trying to emulate that in different other areas because... And you can't be across every game thing in the whole world. Like, I had a lady yesterday that I was working with, and some of the testing that was coming out of America on mycotoxins and all that I haven't even looked at that pile of the science and something that I want to do, but it's just like—well, that's often the distant future because there's so many other pieces of the puzzle and you can't be across every damn thing. 

But if you are trying to be as holistic as possible, and being able to refer out to people who you don't know what to do in that, in that sort of case, but having that broad of you. Get on the sphere on top of the specialization as a good combi day. Dave, we’ve bloody ravaged it on again for ages. I think we've covered off so pretty much. But I did want to ask you about reflexology. What's your take on reflexology before we wrap up? 

Dave: I love getting it. I love doing it. So, the idea with reflexology is that—and there's lots of different types of reflexology. We often associate reflexology with the feet. But the French often use the ear as a reflexology ear and hands often— the idea is your body is represented and in smaller areas of your body, so you can access... So for instance, the kidneys or the small intestine through the fetus, there's a theory there.

 And certainly this, yes, I've had some really good results on myself for reflexology. And I remember, my first experience of reflexology was, I used to be a competitive kayaker at another lifetime. And my regular massage therapist is away. And I had this, this drastic issue, I had a torn tissue, it wasn't going well, and had a bit of back pain with it. And so she put me on for another massage therapist, and I walked in there and this messed it up is the first indicator, ‘We'd start by cleansing your aura’. I’m like, ‘Lord’. And I'm probably a bit more forgiving of that now than it was back then. But now I've just spoken to do it. 

And so she starts cleansing my aura and I’m thinking, ‘Well, this is an error. I'm not going to enjoy things’. Then she starts playing with my feet. And she hits this spot in my feet. I just about jump through the roof. I didn't know what was going on. She said, ‘You've done something to your upper back’. I’m like, ‘Yes’. And she worked on it, it got less and less painful. During the standing up, that is the best my back has ever felt. So certainly it worked well. Well be open. 

And, you know, certainly I learned a fair bit of reflexology about that. After that I was quite impressed by the experience. And I've had some clients who really enjoyed it. There were parts which were, I guess, a little too intense to get into straightaway. I've had some really good results with sinus type stuff. The sinus points are right around the the point in your toes here that can work really well to help clear sinuses 

Lisa: Really? 

Dave: Oh, yes. That one worked quite nicely for me anyway. But I do think there's something in it. And, yeah, it's lovely to get, that's very relaxing, because you're looking at your feet, going through your whole body. And it's all connected.

Lisa: Also we can learn from different traditions and different Ayurvedic and traditional Chinese. There's pieces of a puzzle. And the cool thing now is that the western sciences, catching up with a lot of the other sort of stuff and bringing it in and giving you the scientific reasoning behind it.

Dave: Maybe one thing I could leave folks with is thinking about, you know, how to select a shoe. And that's often one of the questions that I'm asked, or how should I pick a shoe then? First thing I'll say is be be be careful of the marketing, shoe science. And I've put big brackets around that one, there was an ear brackets here for those of you in radioland. Yes, so when you get a shoe, that neutral is often when you get to set a minimum, which means they have very little space between you and the ground. There's a new character called maximalist, which has a maximum amount between you and the ground. But you also have one that has stability shoes, which have a bit more supporting your up. And you have what's called motion control, as well, which trying to control the foot, particularly if you are an overpronator within control, you tend to roll in a fair bit more than normal. 

There's been a few good studies showing that really, it isn't the shoe that makes the difference. There's a good study done in 2010, where they basically mixed the foot to the shoe. So people who are overpronated, were given motion control shoes, people neutral feet were given neutral shoes. And people who were in between were given a stability shoe. What they found out is that neutral people did the worst in neutral shoes. The people with motion control shoes did the worst in motion control shoes. So in other words, it's not the shoe. The shoe doesn't run by itself. You don't give someone a pair of golf clubs, a set of golf clubs and say, ‘Hey, here's the best golf. You’re gonna be an awesome golfer now’.

Lisa: You're gonna be Tiger Woods next week. 

Dave: Yes. It's not a shoe that does the running. It's a person that does the running. Here's a technique and conditioning and looking at yourself and your health has much more effect than a shoe ever will.

Lisa: Yes. Yes.

Dave: So normally what I would say is, I would generally say, pick a neutral shoe, would be my first piece of advice for most people. Get one that is comfortable. So there's a lot of research showing that the more comfortable your shoe is, the more efficient you are. So make sure it feels good. So I go shoe shopping with my wife and I look at the shoe. I would never wear a shoe she would, she has different temporal quality. She needs all-foot cushioning to feel comfortable that she can see issues a lot more built up and than mine.

Also get shoes that are light. For every 100 grand that you add on the shoe there's an extra 1% of you will be able to max that you need to use it with the energy cost to having heavy shoe. So go get the lightest. I'd say also get the most minimalist that you are happy with. 

Lisa: And it means that you trail running and things that you'd...

Dave: Make sure you're comfortable in itself not hurting your feet and you're not dealing with bruised feet every time you go running or four feet. So, so yes, that would be my general—spectrum of color, color combos are good too.

Lisa: Very important. I think that's you know, really some good advice. And you know, and the other thing I did want to touch on is don't go all suddenly bare foot on us now like just because this episode and go suddenly, ‘Well, I'm gonna go 100% barefoot minimalist shoes’, because the transitioning is really, really important in building up the strength and the feet before you go and start running 100 Calloway in barefoot. can be fought You got to be thrown away real fast if you do this. So make sure you build up over time in transitioning.

Dave: One of the other studies that was a really interesting one. The theory is when you go barefoot as opposed to pushing more midfoot or forefoot. That’s generally the whole idea of going—that's one of the theories of going barefoot running. Well, that helps. But there was a cool study done in 214, which are called—they looked at runners and they trained them using Vivo barefoot, the toe shoes. toasters. And what they found was that half of those runners, over half of those runners didn't change from a rear foot strike. So not the shoe that runs again. Now you generally will tend to be pushed more for foot and in a minimal shoe I'd say that's generally true, but it has to be on an indoor. 

So half of those runners did not become more forefoot, finally change just like that. The half of them didn’t matter what they did, they still heel strike. So in that case, you've got no cushioning. Absolutely. So it won't—again you need to learn how to forefoot run. Yes, it's a skill running just skills Who would have thought?

Lisa: You need to drills and skills and so when we say running forefoot make sure that your heel does kiss the ground. You don't want to be bouncing up and down on your like you see some fishy girls running I just saw without the heel touching the ground and on like running like a ballerina. And so…

Dave: Oh, yes, that's gonna cause you a whole different problems. Yes, certainly there's some—they’ll say go slow but also know that you know there's a skill component to it as well. So if you want to do more forefoot yes get some get some running coach and get some expertise and some technical help to help you get there if that's something you really want to go.

Lisa: Yes, drills and skills we do the video analysis and all that sort of stuff and we can help you tailor the right drills and skills for you there. 

Dave you've been amazing again as usual. I'm hoping to have you on a few more times next year because we can talk for an hour I think and…

Dave: I like to see—I wonder what the next random topic we can do.

Lisa: Oh, there's just so much we can learn from your great knowledge. So Dave, where can people find you and give us—can you search out that link if you can on the bunions that'd be great again.

Dave: My mum will be happy to be a star on...

Lisa: It’s really gonna be great. I've got one of those so I need to work on those exercises. 

Dave: Yes, if you do go to the Holistic Movement Coach YouTube, there are quite a few videos on there really because it's near electronic peer but I'll have the last few years anyway. So there is a reasonable amount there.  H-M, H for halo, M for maverick, dash coach dot com that’s where you can find Holistic Movement Coach. If you're looking—if you have some foot problem and need your hand there. My guys are on there too, who are trained up in this stuff? They can help you at your local area if you're living in the southern hemisphere anyway.

Lisa: Yes, yes. No. Fantastic.

Dave: That would be the place to have a look there. 

Lisa: Okay. That's really, really gold. Thank you so much for your time. It's very early where you are, Dave. You're getting out of bed early. And thanks very much for sharing your wisdom today.

Dave: It's been a big thank you and thanks for having me.

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[REPLAY] How to Stop Fear Ruling Your Life11 May 202200:21:13
Fear can be debilitating. It's natural that we all experience fear and it's part of being human but if we don't want to be limited in our potential by fear, if we want to push outside our existing boundaries and expand our horizons and if we want to to be high performance and to bring our best when it counts then it pays to learn the strategies you need to control your physiology better and how to reframe the stories running in your head.

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Reprogram Your Life for a Healthy Body with Dr. Bruce Lipton05 May 202201:16:29

When faced with a medical condition, most people either pay someone else to improve their lives or develop a fatalistic or defeatist view. But you have the power to change your life and improve your health. You can reprogram your mind for a healthy body and fulfilling life.

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  3. Find out how the healthcare industry could be negatively affecting your health.
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Episode Highlights [04:24] Stem Cells and Epigenetics
  • We lose millions of cells every minute. We get new cells from stem cells.
  • Dr Bruce Lipton was cloning stem cells in 1967.
  • Genetic determinism is false, as genes are merely blueprints. Your mind is the one that activates and modifies the genes.
  • Genes do not cause diseases; instead, they correlate with them.
[13:56] Genes vs. Consciousness
  • Believing in genetic determinism can make you feel like a powerless victim.
  • Epigenetics is about controlling your genes and knowing that consciousness is creating disease. Changing your biology and behaviour can change your life.
  • Before you can control your genes, you need to learn how epigenetics works and how to do it.
  • Our brains are computers; you need suitable programming.
[19:35] The Power of Programs
  • Remember that you have the power to exert control over your physiological systems and attain a healthy body.
  • Thinking, which takes up 95% of your life, redirects the focus of consciousness inside your head and allows autopilot programming to take over.
  • Your programs determine your life and mentality, so pay attention to them.
[29:34] Three Ways to Reprogram For a Healthy Body
  • Our two minds ⁠— the conscious and subconscious ⁠— function and learn differently.
  • Putting your brain into theta using hypnosis can help you change a program.
  • You need practice and repetition to create a solid program.
  • Energy psychology is about looking at your life to find out your programs and changing the subconscious programs.
[46:57] Spirituality Frequency
  • If a television breaks, the broadcast still keeps going.
  • Your body is the television, and you're the broadcast. In a sense, this means that you cannot die.
  • Listen to the full episode for research on cellular electrical activity and its correlation with mothers and their children!
[51:25] What Happens After Death
  • We can keep our minds conscious about what happens in the world, but we can tune into intuition so that the deceased become part of the field of information.
  • Communicating with the deceased at an intuitive level is possible.
[52:25] How Fear Affects Programs
  • The issues that plague the world, such as pollution and war, are created by programs.
  • We make antibodies before we're even born. Antigens stimulate the immune response and are what our bodies use to identify pathogens.
  • If you have a healthy body, stop looking for bad signs or symptoms. Looking or the symptoms of a disease can create them.
  • Fear causes immune system shutdown, vulnerability, and conflict.
[1:05:17] Negative Impacts of Corporations
  • A corporation’s first and foremost rule is to make money for shareholders.
  • Pharmaceutical companies only care about making money, robbing people of their chance at a healthy body.
  • Science has no more freedom because corporations control the flow of research.
  • If you want to hear more about how big healthcare corporations and pharmaceutical companies exploit people for profit, listen to the full episode!
[1:11:09] Does Medicine Cure or Kill?
  • An article by Dr Barbara Starfield, published in the Journal of the American Medical Association in 2000, revealed that medicine is the third leading cause of death in the US.
  • Iatrogenic illness refers to illness caused by medical treatment.
  • A few years ago, an article in the British Medical Journal came up with the same results.
  • Both prescription and illegal drugs kill people every year.
  • We can't even trust vitamins because they're being regulated as drugs.
7 Powerful Quotes

‘Here's the point, most everybody out here has been programmed by the belief that genes provide the character of our lives, that they came from our parents and they determine our traits. And if we don't like our traits, you can't change the genes.’

 

‘How you see the world will determine which version of protein will be created from a gene, like a wiser realm.’

 

‘Then epigenetics says that my consciousness is creating this. And therefore if I change my consciousness, I change my biology, change my behaviour, I can do anything with it.’

 

‘Consciousness is you. Your specific identity, your spiritual domain, you, here. The rest of the brain back here is called subconscious, below conscious.’

 

‘You weren't there for most of the programming. It started even before you were born. And it went a whole year from zero to one — you weren't there. They went from one to two who are in therapy, you're getting programmed every day.’

 

‘So when the TV breaks, did the broadcast stop? The answer's no. How do you know I said, we'll get another TV, plug it in, turn it on and tune it to the station back on again. And here comes apart because this is called reincarnation, you cannot die.’

 

‘Evolution is community coming together in harmony. And today's world is the antithesis of evolution and evolution as one separate the world and then make polarised groups charging each other go well then there's no unity.’

 

Resources About Dr Bruce 

Dr Bruce Lipton is a renowned stem cell biologist and leader in bridging the gap between science and spirit. He received his PhD from the University of Virginia in Charlottesville and joined the Department of Anatomy at the University of Wisconsin’s School of Medicine in 1973. His studies on stem cells gave rise to epigenetics.

He is the bestselling author of The Biology of Belief and recipient of the 2009 Goi Peace Award. As a highly sought after keynote speaker and workshop presenter, he's been a guest speaker on hundreds of TV and radio shows and a keynote presenter for national and international conferences. Many people have transformed their lives by applying the principles he discusses in lectures. He is one of the leading voices of new biology. 

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Nutrition And Health Optimisation With Kaytee Boyd27 Jun 202401:07:41
In this episode of "Pushing the Limits" we enter the fascinating world of Kaytee Boyd who is an integrative clinical nutritionist but really the title doesn't really explain the depth of knowledge and expertise and clinical insights this wonderful lady has to share. We do a deep dive into cancer and the role of the gut, nutrition for cancer, the foundational health principles to support you on your cancer journey but we also go in personalized medicine and nutrition and why there is no "one size fits all" when it comes to diet and lifestyle interventions.   We discuss advanced testing techniques and how you can use them to better your health and much much more.   Kaytee has extensive clinical experiences dealing with everything from:
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  • Neurological (Alzheimer, MS, Autism, ADD, ADHD, spectrum, depression, anxiety, mental health, insomnia)
  • Hormones (estrogen dominance, endometriosis PCOS)
  • Muscular skeletal (fibromyalgia, polymyalgia) 
  So this is one episode you won't want to miss and we promise to make a part two.   You can find Kaytee and her team at  https://www.theboydclinic.co.nz/   on instagram: at #@the.boyd.clinic 

 

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Kaytee brings over 25 years of experience in the Health and Wellness industry. She holds a double degree in Human Nutrition and Sports Science from Otago University and is a member of the Nutrition Society of NZ. Mentored by world-leading experts across disciplines such as blood chemistry analysis, functional medicine, naturopathy, genetics, hormones, autoimmune conditions, chronic fatigue, nutrigenomics, microbiome health, autism, and cancer, she offers precision health solutions. As a MINND Foundation practitioner, she has further honed her expertise through the CHEK Institute and ACNEM, and has been honored with a Prime Minister's Scholarship.

Kaytee has served as an advisor for the Breast Cancer Network Foundation and supported the MS Society with newly diagnosed patients. She currently provides online consultations, leads cancer masterclasses, and organizes retreats for patients and healthcare professionals.

A retired professional athlete and World Cup Gold Medalist in Track Cycling, Kaytee has represented New Zealand in BMX, Mountain Biking, Road Racing, and the Commonwealth Games. Her extensive knowledge of the human body and what it takes to achieve optimal health empowers her clients to reach their highest potential.

 

 

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Misconceptions and Truths About the Ketogenic Diet with Richard Smith28 Apr 202201:34:09

Off the top of your head, think about the healthy foods you eat regularly. Does your diet contain seed oils and carbs? How about protein-rich and fatty food?

There are a lot of misconceptions about what foods are healthy or not. Many of these beliefs are further perpetuated by the media, big food companies and even nutrition advice from the government. For instance, did you know that “heart-healthy foods” with omega-6 are highly inflammatory and that high cholesterol levels can help in healing? The key is to find what works best for your body, but it’s not always easy with misinformation so rampant.

In this episode, Richard Smith discusses how the ketogenic diet has changed his life. Not only did it reverse his health issues significantly, but it also made him into a bodybuilding champion. He also explains how “healthy” foods are doing the exact opposite of what we’re led to believe. Whether or not you wish to start a ketogenic diet, it’s vital to go back to the basics of nutrition and learn what is harmful and helpful to your body. 

If you want to learn more about the ketogenic diet for a healthier and stronger body, then this episode is for you!

Here are three reasons why you should listen to the full episode:
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  2. Discover how your perspective on “healthy” foods may be wrong and harmful.
  3. Understand how to get back to the basics of health and nutrition.  
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Episode Highlights [02:47] Richard’s Background
  • Richard used to be clinically obese and diabetic in his 20s. He also suffered from chronic fatigue, depression, anxiety, migraines, and arthritic pains. 
  • He tried many lifestyles and diets but lacked proper knowledge of nutrition and did not understand what foods are healthy. 
  • Richard used to take different medications, but these increased his anxiety and headache. 
  • He also tried cutting off bread from his diet. It helped him lose 28 pounds in 4 weeks. His friend then introduced him to the ketogenic diet.
[08:04] How the Ketogenic Diet Helped Richard
  • Richard struggled with transitioning to the ketogenic diet. His headaches worsened, and he had an intense sugar craving. 
  • He persevered, and the ketogenic diet changed his life. He lost 107 pounds in 12 months, reversed diabetes, and erased his migraines.
  • People have a misconception that cholesterol is bad fuel and people can’t live without carbohydrates. 
  • Yet, there are many scientific studies that state otherwise.
[13:33] How Richard Started Keto Pro
  • The truth about “healthy” food is the opposite of what we are usually taught. 
  • The insight was so shocking that Richard wanted to share his learnings through coaching. He quit his job and started Keto Pro. 
  • Richard further developed his understanding of the ketogenic diet through research and self-experimentation.
[19:57] Different People Need Different Things 
  • Genetic differences can dictate what is important. For example, Lisa shares how her Maori and Pacific Island friends are better suited for low-carb diets. 
  • What works for someone else may not work for you. Be open-minded and constantly experiment to find what suits your body best.
  • If you want to change your health, you need to start with the basics.
[22:23] How to Start a Ketogenic Diet
  • First, cut off grains. Second, drop vegetable and seed oils.
  • Grains play a role in developing autoimmune diseases. They can release lectin that makes our antibodies attack proteins in our body.
  • Richard recommends removing all grains. This includes bread, pasta, rice, and cereals. Although white rice is low in lectin, it can be easy to over-consume.
  • Rice is also high in carbohydrates, which can make you insulin resistant.
[25:45] Why You Should Reduce Carbohydrates
  • Excess carbohydrates can create metabolic dysregulation.
  • Insulin resistance happens over some time.
  • Carbohydrate consumption can be different for everyone. If you’re insulin resistant, reduce your consumption.   
  • Most people are taught the caloric model for healthy eating. This does not account for nuances and micronutrients. Listen to the full episode to learn more!
[29:38] How the Ketogenic Diet can Help Athletes 
  • Carbohydrate-dependent athletes can find it hard to run long marathons since they need to refuel around every 20 minutes. 
  • Meanwhile, fat-adapted athletes can run 100k without needing to refuel and worrying about electrolytes. 
  • Lectins tend to bind to insulin receptors and take five times more storage than fat.
  • Lectins can also prevent the absorption of other nutrients, which can easily lead to overeating since we need more nutrients.   
  • Ketogenic diets can not only help with weight loss but can also build lean muscle. To prove this, Richard joined physique competitions despite his anxiety.
[42:04] How to Utilise Fat and Protein
  • Richard shares that even with his poor genes, the ketogenic diet helped him gain the physique to become a bodybuilding champion.
  • Carbohydrates do not grow muscles. Instead, it’s the co-ingestion of fat with protein.
  • A good starting point is 70% fat and 25% protein to induce a ketogenic state. However, Richard recommends increasing proteins after 2–3 weeks.  
  • There is still a lot of fear surrounding protein in the ketogenic community. Proteins do not pull people away from the ketogenic state. 
  • Increasing your protein intake can also make the diet more sustainable.
[46:21] Should We Cycle In and Out of Ketosis? 
  • Maintaining a ketogenic state helps Richard more than cycling in and out of ketosis.
  • Since his body is keto-adapted, he can process a large volume of carbohydrates and maintain a ketogenic state. 
  • Over time, the ketogenic diet can train your body to become metabolically flexible.
[48:56] Importance of Exogenous Ketones
  • Beginners can use exogenous ketones to get into ketosis easier. This can also aid in the transition. 
  • However, Richard does not recommend combining exogenous ketones with a high-carbohydrate diet. 
  • Exogenous ketones can boost mental clarity and recovery during training. It can also help people who suffered from brain injuries, aneurysms, strokes, and concussions.
[55:14] Rethink Healthy Food 
  • Inflammation is a sign that you’re doing something wrong.
  • Your lifestyle may be the root cause of your health problems. Consider possible lifestyle changes before resorting to medication and surgery.
  • Dig deeper into nutrition; the food that we think is healthy may really be
  • High cholesterol levels and protein levels can help with healing and recovery. In the full episode, Richard shares how he healed from surgery 7 weeks earlier than expected.
[1:01:26] What Oils Should We Avoid?
  • Sunflower, safflower, canola, and peanut oils come from seeds. The process to create them uses chemicals like hexane that can damage the body. 
  • Reducing saturated fats and replacing them with seed and vegetable oils can increase your risk of death. 
  • Cholesterol is essential for us to function. In fact, you can find cholesterol in every cell in your body.
  • Richard consumes tallow, lard, ghee, avocado oil, coconut oil, and olive oil.
  • He also recommends eating fish rather than fish oils for omega-3.
[1:05:54] Back to Basics
  • Go back to the basics and cut out processed food.
  • Understand how food and nutrition work.
  • While restricting sugar is good, remember that all carbohydrates break down into sugar.
  • Don’t underestimate the gut-brain connection. Poor gut health can easily lead to depression and anxiety.
  • Age does not correlate with size. If you have a lot of visceral fat, that’s a sign of metabolic dysregulation.
[1:16:41] Introducing Keto Pro 
  • Richard shares the importance of research and development, rather than marketing, for Keto Pro. 
  • His products have the world’s highest purity rating at 99.9%. 
  • Keto Pro also offers electrolytes mixed with molybdenum, selenium, and aster xantham.
  • They use all-natural ingredients and without artificial sweeteners. 
  • Richard is committed to serving the best product possible to help people. Find out more about Keto Pro’s products in the full episode.
Resources 7 Powerful Quotes

“I tried every sort of diet and lifestyle that you can think of and nothing seemed to work, almost to the point you had thrown in the towel and given up. But I hated the way I looked. I hated the fact I didn't have energy. It didn't sit right with me; it didn't seem normal.”

 

“This whole reeducation piece — this is what we're trying to teach people that these foods are causing inflammation and insulin resistance. One of the factors that many overlook is that people look at the caloric model: it's X amount of calories — calories in, calories out. “

 

“I don't want that food. But if I do, I'm willing to accept the consequences today because tomorrow I'm going to be backing in strict and avoiding migraines and seed oils. But ketones — as you say — a fantastic way to help induce a ketogenic state.”

 

“A lot of people will ask the question, ‘Well, I've had my bloods done. I'm not diabetic, therefore, I'm not insulin-resistant.’ Insulin resistance happens over a long time… But insulin rises to continue to keep us healthy and drive these nutrients into the cells. Insulin will rise over time, and it'll continue to raise until the point where it can't raise any more. “

 

“But for me, it comes down to the core foundation, and I think, comes back to reeducating about the effects of these carbohydrates and seed oils. I think as long as you're mindful, when you reeducate someone, you're arming them with a tool, and you're giving them the means to make that decision.”

 

“I've done it the right way. It's just difficult to market a product, especially. We're a small company and keep it within. The UK isn't as big as it is in the US and the rest of the world. So I think it comes down to reeducating people and explaining that there's a lot of common misconceptions about keto and the cholesterol ketoacidosis.”

 

“I keep going back to why I started to do what I do, and it was in order to help people.”

About Richard Smith

Richard Smith is a nutritionist and professional athlete who became a British Champion. He used to suffer from pre-diabetes, kidney stones, high blood pressure, high glucose levels, and many illnesses. He took various medications but none of them work, forcing him to take a full pack of paracetamol every single day. Eventually, he tried the ketogenic diet, and it changed his life forever.    

The ketogenic lifestyle reversed his illnesses. Seeing the benefits of the lifestyle, Richard created Keto Pro to give people access to affordable and high-quality ketogenic products. 

Learn more about the ketogenic lifestyle on Keto Pro.  You can also connect with Richard on Twitter and Instagram.     

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[REPLAY] My Top Tips For Achieving Your Dreams & Goals26 Apr 202200:38:13
Lisa deep dives into your top rules to live by to achieve your dreams, visions and goals,  to integrate into your psyche. They are a blueprint for achieving what you want in life on your terms.

Learn why failure is only a feedback loop, why the naysayers in life can be the biggest blessings you have on your road to success.

Why you should never subordinate yourself to the dreams and wishes of others and how to define your own values and hence your own dreams and goals.

Why setting "Fantasy" goals will not lead to success but to disappointment and why having a higher purpose is the ticket for getting more out of yourself.

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The Six Cornerstones For Better Health with Dr Charles Meakin21 Apr 202201:31:14

Most of us go about our lives, assuming that the changes we may feel in our bodies are simply signs of aging. When we’re sick, we look for treatments and quick fixes.  A more proactive approach to your health could save you from the financial and emotional distress that comes with a scary diagnosis. 

In this episode, Dr Charles Meakin discusses how Care Oncology has provided early detection services, along with alternative and additional treatments for cancer patients. He talks about the benefits of disease prevention, particularly cancer prevention. He also shares the six fundamentals for better health and encourages us to live healthier, even if we don't suffer from diseases. 

Read the episode if you want to learn more about cancer and disease prevention through better life practices!

Here are three reasons you should listen to the full episode:
  1. Understand how Care Oncology is providing accessible options for cancer detection and treatment. Find out the four drugs on which the company is focusing its efforts.
  2. Discover Dr Charles' six fundamentals for better health. 
  3. Learn to see threats as opportunities and be able to stay consistent. 
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My latest book, Relentless, chronicles the inspiring journey of how my mother and I defied the odds after an aneurysm left my mum Isobel with massive brain damage at age 74. The medical professionals told me there was absolutely no hope of any quality of life again. Still, I used every mindset tool, years of research, and incredible tenacity to prove them wrong and bring my mother back to full health within three years. Get your copy here: https://shop.lisatamati.com/collections/books/products/relentless.

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Episode Highlights [03:45] Dr Charles' and Care Oncology's Background 
  • Charles has worked in oncology for 30 years. He started working at a big hospital in Charlotte, but pivoted after becoming legally blind. 
  • He eventually discovered Care Oncology, a company that applies metabolic strategies for cancer treatment. 
  • Care Oncology was started by Robin Bannister, a pharmacist and drug developer. His wife had developed stage-four breast cancer and had exhausted all treatment options. 
  • Robin selected four drugs commonly used for non-cancer disorders but were found to affect cancer. 
  • Robin selected four drugs based on human data, safety, non-overlapping effects, and their benefits for other chronic conditions. 
[08:46] Care Oncology's Approach
  • Care Oncology uses metformin, atorvastatin, doxycycline, and mebendazole. The company kept to the dosage of the four drugs within a specific range. 
  • Additional drugs, like Prozac and oxaloacetate, also proved helpful along with the metabolic approach. 
  • Over the years, cancer research has focused more on the somatic mutation theory than the metabolic theory. 
  • The metabolic approach to cancer is slowly becoming more widespread. 
  • Even Dr Weinberg, who championed the hallmarks of cancer, added three more hallmarks that are purely metabolic.   
[16:52] Diet and Future of the Metabolic Approach
  • From a somatic perspective, diet is not very important to curing cancer; however, food does affect cancer. 
  • The standard American diet of proteins and fruits and grains can cause issues for cancer patients.
  • Care Oncology has recently merged with Stage Zero Life Sciences for early detection. They perform blood biopsies and are looking into the RNA expression of white blood cells. 
  • Early detection technology is slowly becoming more available. 
  • As the company expands, they intend to add various types of cancers to their treatment list. . Learn about Care Oncology's testing process by listening to the full episode. 
[30:38] What Care Oncology Prioritises
  • Charles shares that Care Oncology prioritises the markers with the most impact, as nuanced tests are more expensive. 
  • The death rate from cancer may decrease, but the cancer rate is increasing.
  • He shares how one in three women who get breast cancer become bankrupt after treatments.
  • Care Oncology wants to reverse this experience by providing cheaper early detection methods through blood biopsies. Their process includes follow-ups and discussions. 
  • Their State Zero tests are currently available only in the US, but the company hopes to expand over time.  
[36:28] Why Early Detection is Important 
  • Tests can predict patterns before cancer physically manifests. 
  • It's important to get regular physicals, lifestyle checks, and screenings every 18 months to 2 years. 
  • The earlier you detect cancer, the higher the survival rate. . Early detection can also mean less expensive.
  • According to Charles, colon cancer detected in stage one has a 90% chance of being cured. However, the later the cancer is detected, the lower the chance of being cured.
  • It costs more to fix something than to prevent something. 
[43:11] There's No One Treatment for Everyone
  • Charles shares that his best outcomes were when he customised treatments based on patients' needs.
  • Unfortunately, cancer treatment is often too focused on following guidelines. 
  • It’s important for patients to have hope that they can get better. 
  • Unfortunately, physicians have little time to fully engage with patients.
  • There is no “right way” to treat cancer. What works for one patient may not work for others.
  • Talk to your doctors about what you’re putting in your body. This also applies to the vaccine and diet. 
[56:12] Balance is Key 
  • It’s important to be aware of your sugar intake. A patient’s BMI can have an impact on the success of treatments. 
  • Charles recommends intermittent fasting with a diet of animal protein, healthy fats, and low fructose fruits. Couple this diet with micro-exercises before and after meals. 
  • Our muscles are the biggest organ in our body, and they can act as metabolic neutralizers. 
  • Make sure your meals are balanced. Remember to consider your sleep and mood.  
[1:01:48] Find Opportunities 
  • Everything can be seen as an opportunity to learn more about yourself and to grow. 
  • See things as a challenge instead of a threat.
  • Not everyone has a growth mindset, but people will ‌develop this by identifying their purpose. 
[1:06:32] Dr Mekin’s Recommendations: BEGSIS
  • First, nostril breathing. 
  • Second, eat only real foods made up of fats, proteins, and low carbohydrates. Keep yourself hydrated. 
  • Get moving to maintain and enhance your functionality. 
  • Sleep. Make sure you recover and have your rhythms in order. 
  • Have intent and always have a mission bigger than yourself. 
  • Be social and involve yourself with others. Social isolation is a predictor of demise.  
[1:10:37] Focus on Fundamentals 
  • With everything happening in the world, it's easy to focus on the negative. 
  • Remember to be in the moment and look for the beauty in life. 
  • Get back to the core fundamentals. 
[1:13:33] Keep Testing Yourself 
  • Not everyone can do everything at the same time. Therefore, doctors need to help people prioritise what will work for them. 
  • Charles shares that he's very proud of Care Oncology's work in cancer treatment. 
  • Despite being 63, he likes to climb mountains annually to challenge himself. 
  • Charles details how he puts himself in uncomfortable situations in the full episode.
[1:19:21] Future of Medicine
  • Charles shares that the next ten years may change many things in medicine. 
  • Look into the research. Clinical practice is often behind the latest developments. 
  • Stay persistent and take care of yourself.
  • Twenty years ago, people would die one year after losing their vitality and independence. Now, they tend to live up to 12 years. They may be alive, but they're often unhappy. 
7 Powerful Quotes.'

'A healthy person has multiple wishes and ideas while a sick person only has one wish — that's to get better again. Early spending of the dedication of time and money pays off.'

'A lower dose metabolic protocol with prescription drugs and supplements, and lifestyle coaching prevent the development of disease or cancer.'

'If you find cancer in stage one, you have a greater than 90% cure, which is surgery at most. Then if you find it in stage four, the cure rate drops down to the mid-teens, then you're never off treatment, and you will spend a fortune.'

'...to eat anything. That is the worst advice that you can give a cancer patient.'

 

"We're evolutionarily designed to eat primarily fats and proteins with some seasonal carbohydrates. So that's what 99% of our biology was based on.'

'Sometimes, an ounce of prevention could save you financially and, actually, health.'

'A lot of times, there's a silver lining to some of these obstacles put in our way.'

Resources About Dr Charles

Dr Charles Meakin is the US Medical Director at Care Oncology Clinic with over 40 years of experience in healthcare, eastern philosophies, fitness predictors of longevity, and happiness. In 2018, he retired after 30 years in radiation oncology practice due to a worsening retinal condition. He then joined Care Oncology and launched his charity health and wellness coaching. 

Want to learn more about Charles? Check out Care Oncology and Coach it Forward, Chuck

You can also find him on LinkedIn.   

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How To Breathe Better With Professor Patrick McKeown20 Apr 202201:24:02

When we optimise our performance, we usually think of the basics of training, sleep, and food. Yet, we often miss one important aspect: breathing. If you have ever felt brain fog, a racing mind or insomnia, breathing may be the solution you need. 

In this episode, Patrick McKeown joins us to explain how mouth breathing can harm our health and performance, and many people still do this unconsciously. He shares that we need to transition to nasal breathing to help us breathe better. The change may be difficult at first, but Patrick encourages us through steps to help guide this change. 

If you want to know more about the science behind nasal breathing, then this episode is for you. 

 

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Here are three reasons why you should listen to the full episode:
  1. Learn how mouth breathing can affect many aspects of your life. 
  2. Discover the power of nasal breathing and how it can help improve your sleep and concentration. 
  3. Understand the steps for transitioning to nasal breathing. 

 

Resources

 

Episode Highlights [2:16] Patrick’s Journey Into Breathing
  • Patrick shared how he was a chronic mouth breather and had asthma growing up. This condition got worse in time and affected his concentration and studies. 
  • Chronic mouth breathing affects 25 - 50% of children, yet the medical industry is not doing anything to address it. 
  • Patrick's personal experience and struggles made him realise that no one is teaching how to breathe correctly. 
  • Breathing is fundamental to attention and sleep. 
  • Listen to the full episode for an overview of how breathing can affect our development and life!  
[13:35] The Importance Of Nasal Breathing
  • Transitioning to nasal breathing can increase oxygen pressure by 10%. 
  • Mouth breathing is often tied to chest breathing, which is faster. Faster, shallower breaths cause the body to think it is in danger.
  • Nasal breathing can help conditions such as asthma, COVID-19 recovery, sarcoidosis, anxiety, depression, functional movement and more. 
  • Adults usually breath four to six litres of air during rest. Asthmatics report breathing as much as 10 to 15 litres.
  • Approximately 75% of the people with anxiety have dysfunctional breathing.
[21:49] Breathing And Stress
  • Stress is always accompanied by faster and upper chest breathing.
  • Faster breathing causes us to think we’re in danger.
  • Light, slow, and deep breathing should be taught to people with anxiety and PTSD.
  • Correct, functional breathing shouldn't be used in five-minute chunks, but instead, be how we breathe every day.
[25:59] Breathing And Sleep
  • The problem of snoring lies in mouth breathing. 
  • Nasal breathing helps address sleep apnea. 
  • Roughly 50% of the adult population sleeps with their mouth open. 
  • If your mouth is dry in the morning, you may be sleeping with your mouth open.
  • Listen to the full episode to learn more about the importance of breathing for better sleep. 
[33:13] How To Remedy Mouth Breathing
  • Patrick recommends taping the mouth to encourage nasal breathing. 
  • Dentists are in a good position to spot mouth breathing. 
  • Patrick notes that facial abnormalities are a mark of mouth breathing. 
  • Mouth breathing in young children and babies can be corrected early with the proper techniques.
[45:06] Effects On Facial Development
  • Anthropologists have concluded that we had straight teeth all the time. 
  • However, over the years, eating soft food has changed our jaws and teeth. 
  • These changes led to the overcrowding of teeth and dental decay. It even affects our breathing! 
  • It’s still being questioned whether small mouths cause mouth breathing or vice versa. Regardless, we need to address this problem immediately. 
  • Listen to the full episode for more information on how facial development has changed over the years. 
[56:55] Transition To Nasal Breathing
  • As adults, we can still influence the shape of our face. 
  • Transitioning to nasal breathing may be difficult at first, but remember that it will be better for you in the long run. 
  • You can test your breathing by using the BOLT Method
  • Nasal breathing, in conjunction with other techniques, can drastically improve physical performance in athletes.
[1:07:55] Building Foundations
  • Wim Hof has been vital in raising awareness of breathwork. 
  • Patrick notes that the Wim Hof method is a stressor exercise, not functional breathing. 
  • Before learning these high-level breathing techniques, it’s more important to get functional breathing right first. 
  • Functional breathing is how you breathe throughout the day. 
  • Listen to the full episode for the discussion on building your breathing foundation. 

 

7 Powerful Quotes from This Episode

‘Society does demand us to concentrate. Concentration is demanded of us. But nobody teaches us how.’

‘The other thing about mouth breathing is typically chest breathing is activating the upper chest, and it's also causing faster and harder breathing. And physiologically, this is putting us into a fight or flight response.’

‘When I see people coming in with a racing mind, and I look at their breathing, I very often see faster breathing, just a little bit faster. It's not that the person is having a panic attack, it's just their breathing is a little bit faster. Maybe the respiratory rate is 16 breaths per minute, plus, they have upper chest breathing, they can often have irregular breathing patterns.’

‘If we get stressed today, our breathing gets faster, harder... that's telling the brain we are in danger. So how do we change and switch this off? Well, when we start practising to breathe, breathe slow, and breathe deep. And the acronym that I use is LSD. So light, slow, and deep breathing. The feedback then is from the body back to the brain. And the brain is interpreting it that the body is in a safe environment because the body would not be breathing light, slow and deep if there was danger.’

‘If you have somebody who is breathing harder and faster, our typical person with asthma is a prime example. And it's known that as asthma severity increases, so does obstructive sleep apnea. People with asthma are tired.’

‘We know that 50% of the adult population have their mouth opened during sleep... so if the mouth is dry in the morning, you're not likely to be waking up feeling great.’

‘We're changing breathing patterns but we're not necessarily changing the behaviour of nasal breathing and mouth breathing... I need you to start taping your mouth during the day... and it was a total game-changer. This was really forming that habit of nose breathing.’

 

About Patrick

Patrick McKeown is a leading authority in the field of breathing. His clinical training was built at Trinity College Dublin in Russia. He was later accredited as a breathing coach by renowned physician Dr Konstantin Buteyko in 2002. Patrick's work focuses on breathing for performance and sleep. He has published several research studies in international medical journals, and top literary publishers have published his work. 

In addition to his research, Patrick is also the breathing advisor to the Extreme Performance Training XPT program - created by American big-wave surfer, Laird Hamilton - and has taught more than 700 breathing instructors across 45 countries. He has also trained elite military Special Forces, SWAT, Olympic coaches and athletes. He also regularly appears on popular podcasts including London Real, Ben Greenfield, Ben Pakulski, Warrior Souls and Bulletproof. 

Excited for the latest release from Patrick? You can follow him at Buteyko Clinic and Oxygen Advantage. Follow his Amazon page for updates on his latest book, The Breathing Cure.  

You can also follow Patrick on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter.  

 

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Optimising Fuel and Hydration in Your Athletic Performance with Andy Blow14 Apr 202201:17:47

Even professional athletes aren’t immune to cramping and dehydration. If you constantly suffer from these, your performance can be sorely affected. It’s understandably frustrating, but it doesn’t have to be — as long as you know your body well and how to optimise fuel and hydration to enhance your athletic performance.

In this episode, sports scientist Andy Blow discusses the proper way to fuel and hydrate your body for peak athletic performance. We disuss sweat tests and how they can help you balance your intake of fluid and electrolytes. Andy shares the importance of carb fueling, along with the benefits of intermittent fasting and the keto diet. Lastly, Andy explains what his company, Precision Fuel & Hydration, does and its commitment to helping athletes achieve peak health and performance.

If you want to learn more about proper fueling and hydration, then this episode is for you!

Here are three reasons why you should listen to the full episode:
  1. Understand your body’s needs for peak athletic performance.
  2. Learn the amount of carbs, fluid, and electrolytes your body needs.
  3. Find out how to curb gut issues while hydrating.
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My latest book Relentless chronicles the inspiring journey about how my mother and I defied the odds after an aneurysm left my mum Isobel with massive brain damage at age 74. The medical professionals told me there was absolutely no hope of any quality of life again. Still, I used every mindset tool, years of research and incredible tenacity to prove them wrong and bring my mother back to full health within three years. Get your copy here: https://shop.lisatamati.com/collections/books/products/relentless.

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Episode Highlights [03:51] Andy’s Background
  • Andy was a full-time athlete and studied sports science at university.
  • Bringing together his degree and athletic background, he built his company, Precision Fuel & Hydration.
  • Andy participated in triathlons and aimed for the 2004 Athens Olympics. His performance sweet-spot was races over an hour and less than five or six hours.
[09:11] The Story Behind Precision Fuel & Hydration
  • During races, Andy performed well in cool conditions.
  • He noticed that he didn’t do well in hot weather. He had a high sweat rate, which led to cramps and low sodium levels.
  • After getting a sweat test, he discovered that he was losing too much salt through sweat. 
  • So, he dialled up the sodium and reduced his fluid intake. The electrolyte dosage is crucial for optimum performance.
  • Andy started Precision Fuel & Hydration by sweat testing people to determine how much fluid and electrolytes they need.
[18:17] Gut Issues & Electrolytes
  • Gut issues can occur when there’s a mismatch between your physiology and the amount of electrolytes you’re consuming.
  • Listen to your body and make sure your intake of fluid and electrolytes are right for you.
[21:23] How To Get A Sweat Test
  • Precision Fuel & Hydration has sweat test centres in the UK, America, Australia, New Zealand, and Canada.
  • If you’re interested in getting a sweat test, you can find their locations on their website or reach out to find someone local to you.
  • Their website also has a free online hydration test.
  • There's no "one size fits all" approach to hydration; an individualised approach to health is needed.
[27:37] The Relationship Between Sodium & Potassium
  • The relationship between the ratios of body fluid and electrolytes is essential.
  • Sodium is the predominant electrolyte in your extracellular fluid, while potassium is the predominant electrolyte in your intracellular fluid.
  • An imbalance between sodium and potassium can be detrimental.
  • Potassium doses can be dangerous if not done properly.
[27:37] The Role of Magnesium
  • You don’t lose vast amounts of magnesium when you sweat.
  • However, some people find that taking magnesium supplements helps with cramps.
  • The majority of cramping incidents can be solved with the right sodium supplementation, making it a game-changer in an athlete’s performance.
[37:11] Carb Fueling
  • If you load up on carbs before endurance events, you can go faster for longer.
  • The more carbohydrates you can oxidise, the lower the oxygen your body consumes in exercise, and the faster you can go — that’s why marathon runners consume lots of carbs.
  • Maximise carbohydrate intake and absorption for endurance events.
  •  For fast moving-athletes, the minimum carbohydrate recommendation is around 60  to 90 grams per hour.
  • Endurance training helps the body burn fat more efficiently, but when you’re burning fat, your pace slows–which isn’t optimal for racing.
[47:54] What’s In Their Gels?
  • Precision Fuel & Hydration gels are maltodextrin-based with some fructose.
  • Other gels are more like syrups, which can make people sick, but Precision Fuel & Hydration gels are like jelly or jam without flavour, colour, and electrolytes.
  • Its ingredients are carbs, pectin, and citric acid.
  • Fat adaptation and carbs depend on your body and activity.
  • While carbs might seem unfashionable with the rise of the keto diet and fat adaptation, carb intake can also help with fueling.
[57:22] Intermittent Fasting
  • Andy cycles his carbohydrate intake around his activity level.
  • His wife is interested in intermittent fasting from a scientifically-based perspective.
  • He does not follow the same regime as his wife, but he skips breakfast and narrows his eating window depending on his activity.
  • Doing intermittent fasting effectively fires up the same cellular machine.
  • Don’t be rigid about fasting and eat when you need to so you won’t be deficient.
[1:07:14] Find Out How Much Carbs You Need
  • Their Quick Carb Calculator shows how many carbs you need per hour.
  • You can also access one-on-one video calls with their sports science team so you can get an individualised approach.
[1:09:26] Staying True To Their Mission
  • Precision Fuel & Hydration began offering one-on-one video calls during the pandemic.
  • They use automation to make these calls quick and simple.
  • The core of their business is to be a resource for athletes — and they always keep this mission in mind as they scale.
7 Powerful Quotes

‘I thought I'd solve the problem for everyone because I was taking a high dose and I was just like high dose is the way to go. But you learn over time that actually that more individualized approach is the way to go.’

 

‘The thing about body fluid and electrolytes is that the absolute levels of them are important. But what's even more important is the relationship between the ratios between them.’

 

‘Sodium is the predominant electrolyte in your extracellular fluid. Potassium is the predominant electrolyte in your intracellular fluid. When you get those two seriously out of whack that can cause problems — no matter if you've got the right level of water.’

 

‘What happens with 90 odd percent of athletes that have electrolyte disturbances, it's a sodium imbalance issue because extracellular fluid is very sodium rich. It doesn't have a lot of potassium in it.’

 

‘At least the majority, if not a vast majority of that cramping, can be alleviated with the right sodium supplementation.’

 

‘If you want to go fast doing endurance events even for multiple hours, carbohydrate is your friend and you kind of need to work on ways to maximise intake and absorption.’

 

‘One-size-fits-all soundbite advice like, ‘With electrolytes, you need to do this. With fluid, you need to do this.’ The reality is there's a little bit more or a lot more nuance in a lot of people's heads.’

Resources
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About Andy

Andy Blow is a sports scientist and co-founder of Precision Fuel & Hydration. He earned his degree in Sports and Exercise Science from the University of Bath. His expertise is sweat, dehydration, and cramping. He was formerly the team sports adviser for the Benetton and Renault and remains the Porsche Human Performance Centre adviser.

An elite athlete in his youth, Andy finished in the top 10 of Ironman and IM 70.3 races, including winning an Xterra World title. His struggles with cramps and dehydration led to his specialisation in electrolyte replenishment and building Precision Fuel & Hydration. He’s a leading figure in sports hydration and has co-authored several studies and books. His works have been published in BMJ Journals, Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition, and Journal of the Endocrine Society.

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[REPLAY] How To Reprogram Your Subconscious Mind12 Apr 202200:23:56

In today's episode Lisa's talks about the two minds. The conscious mid and the Subconscious mind. The subconscious mind can process 20 000 000 bits of info per second. The conscious mind can only process 40 bits of info/sec. So the subconscious mind can process 500 000 time more what the conscious mind is able to.

This information has powerful implications when it comes to getting what you want and desire in life and to changing behaviours and thought processes that are no longer serving you or that are limiting you.

Your conscious mind is your creative mind, your self, your wants, your desires. Your subconscious mind is a tape recorder. It just plays back whatever it was programmed with. 

We learn how you got your programming to begin with and why it might be direct competition to what you actually want and how that might be sabotaging your attempts to change. 

To learn more about this topic Lisa recommends you read "The Biology of Belief" by Dr Bruce Lipton and to study his works at www.brucelipton.com

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Understanding the Role of Inflammation to Combat Arthritis with Dr Elizabeth Yurth07 Apr 202201:20:00

Arthritis is a severe disease that's uncomfortable at best and debilitating at worst. It is a leading cause of disability worldwide. Most people think that arthritis only happens to the elderly, but it can affect anyone. It is a disease that begins in your 20s or results from injuries sustained as a child. Unfortunately, most of what the general public is misinformed about arthritis: what it is, how it starts, and how to treat it!

In this episode, Dr Elizabeth Yurth addresses common misconceptions about arthritis. She defines the disease and offers realistic alternatives to established treatment options. If you want to learn more about longevity-based proactive measures to address arthritis, this episode is for you!

Here are three reasons why you should listen to the full episode:
  1. Recognise arthritis as an inflammatory process rather than a wear-and-tear disease.
  2. Understand the importance of addressing arthritis early on — as early as your 20s!
  3. Learn how longevity studies-based supplements and treatments improve the immune system and combat arthritis.

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Episode Highlights [03:30] Breaking the Misconceptions about Arthritis
  • Arthritis is more than a wear-and-tear condition; it’s an inflammatory disease process
  • It is not limited to the elderly. The disease process can begin with minor injuries, even those sustained as a child.
  • Arthritis is a combination of genetics and environmental factors triggered by trauma. 
[08:25] Arthritis as an Inflammatory Disease Process  
  • Arthritis is a disease process like neurodegenerative and cardiac illnesses. 
  • Our bodies follow a balanced way to deal with injuries. It releases the level of cytokines that set off the body’s response to healing and recovery. Afterwards, cytokine levels fall, and anti-inflammatory proteins take over.
  • The disease process begins during Imbalance in any part of the process. It can be started as too many cytokines lead to zombie cells and lack of autophagy.
[12:20] General Approaches to Addressing Arthritis 
  • Turn off inflammatory cytokines through simple supplements like curcumin or epigallocatechin. 
  • Turning down the inflammatory response allows the injury to heal better. 
  • Inducing autophagy or knocking off the bad cells helps reduce injury as well. 
[13:36]  Arthritis is a Preventable Disease 
  • Arthritis is a disease that should be given more attention, as it has a significant impact on people’s quality of life.
  • It is the primary cause of disability among people of working age. 
  • Arthritis is preventable to a large degree, despite genetics and other factors. 
[18:32] Current Orthopedic Treatments for Arthritis 
  • The focus in addressing arthritis is to treat the disease process.
  • Steroid injections temporarily reduce inflammatory cytokines, but they also inhibit those that aid in healing.
  • Arthroscopic surgery can provide immediate comfort. However, it can also inflict tears that can cause the rapid progression of arthritis.
  • Back fusion can help cases of spinal instability. However, for degenerative discs, the long-term success rate of surgery is around 10% of those who undergo it.
[24:09]  Degenerative Disc Disease as an Inflammatory Disease 
  • Degenerative disc disease is an inflammatory disease caused by high levels of cytokines. This includes the nuclear factor kappa beta.
  • The goal is to focus on the issues that cause disc destruction, such as elevated cytokine levels, rather than the disc itself.
  • Ageing processes, like degeneration, should serve as a wake-up call to reconsider one's diet. This also includes reconsidering supplements, and exercise, as well as one's cardiovascular health.
[27:18]  Changing the Perspective about Arthritis
  • People should be aware that arthritis begins in their 20s, similar to brain disorders, heart ailments, and cancers.   
  • All these immune and inflammatory diseases come down to curing ageing. 
  • We need to take proactive steps and opt for longevity instead of a mechanical standard of care. 
  • Opting for the ‘expensive’ care earlier will save you time, stress, and money. People often exhaust traditional options first before pursuing longevity treatments. 
[38:49] Pentosan Polysulfate: ‘A Cure for Arthritis’
  • Pentosan polysulfate is a repurposed drug that reduces cytokines causing degenerative disc pain. 
  • According to studies, even after just six weeks of using Pentosan Polysulfate, you can continue to reap the advantages for up to a year.
[45:07] Vitamins and Supplements to Combat Arthritis 
  • Another strategy to fight arthritis is to make sure your nutrients are optimised.
  • Vitamins D and C, and zinc are critical but straightforward micronutrients.
  • Epigallocatechin gallate, or EGCG, has many benefits that aid in addressing arthritis. Its benefits include muscle-building, fat loss, and myostatin blocking.
[47:07] Benefits of Gaining Muscle
  • Muscle, as an organ, produces endocrine glands, and myokines have very beneficial effects on joints.  
  • Those with sarcopenia or muscle loss are more likely to develop joint arthritis.
  • Electrical stimulation of muscles can be done for individuals who are further along in a disease process.
  • Static contraction or contracting the muscles for three seconds every hour also helps muscle-building. 
[51:03]  Inducing Autophagy Process Using Spermidine 
  • Spermidine is a polyamine compound that comes from bacteria in certain foods. 
  • Polyamine is produced by the human body as well. However, as we become older, we make less of it.
  • It is an autophagy-Inducing agent that aids in getting rid of damaged cells. 
  • Spermidine works better than steroids at reducing inflammation. It preserves the joints without making them worse.
[54:06] Trehalose: The ‘Sugar Substitute’
  • Trehalose is glucose that impacts oxidative stress and helps clean up the cells. 
  • It has zero glycemic impact, which helps blood glucose under control. 
  • Trehalose is looked at for neurodegenerative diseases but can benefit joint pain. 
[56:57] Peptide Therapies as Simple, Inexpensive Aid 
  • If you are looking for simple, inexpensive aid, collagen peptides can also be beneficial. 
  • They typically are part of a mixture including Vitamin C, which helps cartilage cells. 
  • A more expensive option is aggressive peptides, like BPC 157 or Body Protection Compound 157. These peptides can aid joint regeneration.
  • It’s vital to understand the role of inflammation in arthritis rather than jumping at treatments, like stem cell therapy.
[59:54] The Role of Stressed Immune System 
  • Almost every disease is related to over-aggressive, pro-inflammatory cytokines, disruption in mitochondrial function, and autophagy. 
  • Ageing causes a significant number of diseases. 
  • The immune system goes awry for many reasons, including viral exposures.
[59:54] Antiviral Drugs, Hormones, and Fasting
  • Antiviral drugs, hormones, and fasting can help the immune system fight diseases as healthy as possible. 
  • EGCG and curcumin are natural compounds that have some antiviral properties. Acyclovir is also a safe choice for combatting the herpes virus and Epstein-Barr, among others.  
  • Our immune system produces fewer hormones as we become older. Our bodies need hormones to function, so we need to replace them somehow.
  • Hormones have huge immune-modulating properties that help stop oxidative stress. 
  • The immune system benefits from the recovery period following a fast. It can be very beneficial to clear out dead cells.
[1:08:55] Rapamycin and Metformin: The ‘Future’ of Arthritis
  • Rapamycin is a chemotherapeutic medication with a solid immune-modulating effect. 
  • It is well-known for activating autophagy, which can lengthen lifespan in all mammalian species scientists have studied.
  • Metformin is an inexpensive medication that keeps glucose control. 
  • It has some interesting studies on arthritis. One study shows the overlapping benefits in cardiovascular, renal, cancer, and obesity protection. 
7 Powerful Quotes

“[Arthritis as an inflammatory disease process] is the same thing that goes on with COVID. Right? Yes. Why do some people die of COVID? [It's] usually not the virus itself -- it's the immune reaction to the virus.”

 

“So we know we have to treat [cytokines] and not the disc itself. That's the end game. Treat the problem that's causing the disc damage.”

 

“...[W]e're really trying to get into the heads of these [20-year-olds] and say, the [disease process starts when you’re] 20. Yeah, like your brain diseases, your heart diseases, and your cancers are all those processes are starting in our 20s.”

 

“The plastic surgeons are doing fine. [P]eople are more than willing to spend that money on their facelifts and things like that [than] internally to feel better.”

 

“You can have no cartilage and no pain or no discs, and no gain. The pain is an inflammatory sign.”

“Go back, go back up the tree. And then you had all of the diseases in mitochondria and information.”

"Be it cancer, metabolic disease, cardiovascular disease, or neurologic arthritis, they're all the same disease. You've got to get the immune system as healthy as possible. You have to stop oxidative stress."

Resources About Dr Elizabeth

Dr Elizabeth Yurth, MD, FAARFM, ABAARM is a practising orthopedic. She specialises in sports, spine, and regenerative medicine and has over 25 years of professional experience as a practising orthopaedic physician. She is a double-Board Certified in Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation and Anti-Aging/Regenerative Medicine. 

Dr Yurth has dedicated her life to longevity. In 2006, she founded the Boulder Longevity Institute, where she serves as the Medical Director. She has worked as the team physician for Stanford and Santa Clara Universities and consulted for the San Francisco 49ers and the San Jose Ballet.

Dr Yurth has a dual-Fellowship in Anti-Aging and Regenerative Medicine (FAARM), and Anti-Aging, Regenerative and Functional Medicine (FAARFM) through the American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine (A4M). She recently completed a Fellowship in Human Potential and Epigenetic Medicine. 

You can learn more and connect with Dr Elizabeth on Twitter, LinkedIn, and Instagram.

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[REPLAY] All About Your Lymphatic System - What Nobody Told You05 Apr 202201:39:29
It's the clear liquid that surrounds the cells of your body. Except for cartilage, nails, and hair, your entire body is bathed in lymph. You are literally swimming in lymphatic fluid, so its nickname is the Body Aquarium.

If you have a chronic pain or illness like Lyme, Fibromyalgia, Chronic Fatigue, IBS, Crohn's Disease, etc., you will have a lymphatic problem. You just need to discover how much.

About five years ago Dr Perry got very sick. H had many health issues and felt like crap all the time. He supposedly got better by medical standards, yet still felt terrible. Feeling bad was his new normal. When you get so used to feeling awful you just assume that's the way it is. You forget what good feels like. Well, you don't have to suffer.

Dr Perry's illness helped him discover why he felt so terrible and why nobody in medicine could help him. His lymphatic system was a complete disaster. You might be surprised to discover healthcare providers get very little education about the lymphatic system's role in poor health.

He learned all be could about the lymphatic system and brought himself back to feeling amazing again with what Lisa and Dr Perry talk about in this show.

Ever wonder why chronic pain doesn't get better despite all your therapy and medications? Your lymphatic system may be the problem. If the body can't rid of cellular waste during the healing process, the inflammation simply stays in the tissues causing pain. If it can't get out of the body, you can't get better.

Feeling hopeless, tired, fatigued, poor concentration and overwhelmed with lack of progress in your recovery? You need to check your lymph and Dr Perry shows you how. The lymph is connected to your brain and your brain can't function optimally when the lymph is dysfunctional.   Dr Perry Nickelston shares with Lisa everything you ever wanted to know and all the things you never even thought to ask, about the lymphatic system.      You can find out more about the courses Dr Perry offers and all his resources at  www.stopchasingpain.com and find him on instagram under the handle    @stopchasingpain    Perry Nickelston, DC, NKT, FMS, SFMA, is a Chiropractic Physician with primary focus on Performance Enhancement, Corrective Exercise, and Metabolic Fitness Nutrition and trained fromThe American College of Addictionology and Compulsive Disorders. 

He is an expert in myofascial, orthopedic, medical and trigger point soft tissue therapy. A member of the Board of Directors and Medical Staff Advisor for AIMLA (American Institute of Medical Laser Application). Dr. Perry teaches healthcare professionals all over the world how to successfully use Class IV Deep Tissue Laser Therapy in alleviating pain. Director of clinical protocols and training for LiteCure Medical Lasers specializing in Myofascial Laser treatments.

Dr. Perry is an expert in movement assessment and diagnosis. Certified and trained as a Functional Movement Specialist (FMS) and Selective Functional Movement Assessment Specialist (SFMA). He uses programs designed to find your source of painful dysfunction and correct it the site of pain improves. A regular columnist for Dynamic Chiropractic, Practice Insights, Chiropractic Economics, To Your Health Magazine, Advance Physical Therapy, PT on the Net, LiveStrong, StrengthCoach, and other industry publications for health and fitness.

After suffering a severe back injury and recovering with laser therapy, he decided to dedicate himself to offering this amazing treatment modality to others. Creator of the Core 4 RRTT Recovery and Regeneration Program for maximum pain relief. A self treatment program whose sole purpose is to empower you to take back control of your life from chronic pain.

He is a 1997 graduate from Palmer Chiropractic University and a master fitness trainer with over 25 years experience in the health industry. Suffering from obesity as a teenager and overcoming all of the emotional strife that accompanies being overweight, Dr. Perry dedicated himself to teaching others how to get in shape and lead a healthy lifestyle. He is currently publishing several books on health, fitness, laser therapy, business success, and self treatment programs from his website.

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When extreme endurance athlete, Lisa Tamati, was confronted with the hardest challenge of her life, she fought with everything she had. Her beloved mother, Isobel, had suffered a huge aneurysm and stroke and was left with massive brain damage; she was like a baby in a woman's body. The prognosis was dire. There was very little hope that she would ever have any quality of life again. But Lisa is a fighter and stubborn.

She absolutely refused to accept the words of the medical fraternity and instead decided that she was going to get her mother back or die trying.

This book tells of the horrors, despair, hope, love, and incredible experiences and insights of that journey. It shares the difficulties of going against a medical system that has major problems and limitations. Amongst the darkest times were moments of great laughter and joy.

Relentless will not only take the reader on a journey from despair to hope and joy, but it also provides information on the treatments used, expert advice and key principles to overcoming obstacles and winning in all of life's challenges. It will inspire and guide anyone who wants to achieve their goals in life, overcome massive obstacles or limiting beliefs. It's for those who are facing terrible odds, for those who can't see light at the end of the tunnel. It's about courage, self-belief, and mental toughness. And it's also about vulnerability... it's real, raw, and genuine.

This is not just a story about the love and dedication between a mother and a daughter. It is about beating the odds, never giving up hope, doing whatever it takes, and what it means to go 'all in'. Isobel's miraculous recovery is a true tale of what can be accomplished when love is the motivating factor and when being relentless is the only option.

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Using Peptides to Boost Your Health and Well-Being with Brian Graham31 Mar 202201:04:12

Whichever stage of life you might be in, you’ll want to live it to the fullest. You’ll want mental clarity to perform at your best, energy to spend time with your loved ones, and a strong metabolism to maintain your ideal body weight. Using peptides is a great and effective way to remain healthy so you can make the most out of your life.

In this episode, Brian Graham discusses the functions and benefits of different peptides. He also shares some exciting developments in the peptide space. Peptides come with amazing effects — but they can also come with unpleasant side effects when not used with caution.

If you want to learn more about how peptides can power your body and enhance your quality of life, then this episode is for you!

Here are three reasons why you should listen to the full episode:
  1. Learn how peptides work on your body.
  2. Discover the latest developments in the peptide space.
  3. Find out the numerous benefits of peptides.
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Do you want to beat last year’s time or finish at the front of the pack? Want to run your first 5-km or run a 100-miler?

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Are you struggling with a health issue and need people who look outside the square and are connected to some of the greatest science and health minds in the world? Then reach out to us at support@lisatamati.com, we can jump on a call to see if we are a good fit for you.

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Order My Books

My latest book Relentless chronicles the inspiring journey about how my mother and I defied the odds after an aneurysm left my mum Isobel with massive brain damage at age 74. The medical professionals told me there was absolutely no hope of any quality of life again. Still, I used every mindset tool, years of research and incredible tenacity to prove them wrong and bring my mother back to full health within three years. Get your copy here: https://shop.lisatamati.com/collections/books/products/relentless.

For my other two best-selling books Running Hot and Running to Extremes, chronicling my ultrarunning adventures and expeditions all around the world, go to https://shop.lisatamati.com/collections/books.

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What is NMN?

NMN Bio offers a cutting edge Vitamin B3 derivative named NMN (beta Nicotinamide Mononucleotide) that can boost the levels of NAD+ in muscle tissue and liver. Take charge of your energy levels, focus, metabolism and overall health so you can live a happy, fulfilling life.

Founded by scientists, NMN Bio offers supplements of the highest purity and rigorously tested by an independent, third-party lab. Start your cellular rejuvenation journey today.

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Episode Highlights [04:20] Entering The Peptide Space
  • Brian is a peptide specialist at Boulder Longevity Institute.
  • When he first entered the peptide space, he worked more on performance optimization.
  • He underwent educational training at the American Academy for Anti-Aging and Regenerative Medicine and earned a formal certification.
  • He met Dr. Yurth while she was working at an orthopedic practice. They focused on bringing medical innovation to clinical relevance through collaboration.
[06:48] What Are Peptides?
  • Peptides have been around for some time, even in traditional medicine.
  • They are naturally-occurring products that help regulate or stimulate a given process. For example, insulin is a peptide that regulates blood glucose to prevent neuropathic pain and other complications.
  • Many things can be targeted on a cellular level with a given peptide.
[09:07] Proteins vs. Peptides
  • A protein that’s a large peptide has more binding sites or activity.
  • Smaller sequences of amino acids become more specific for a given cellular target.
  • When chopped up, large proteins are basically made up of peptides.
  • Many environmental factors inhibit your body’s ability to make a given peptide, such as prioritization and accumulation of stressors.
  • The aging process is associated with a decreased ability to make certain peptides.
[12:05] BPC-157
  • BPC-157 is a gastric-derived peptide that naturally occurs in the digestive system and helps support the cells and makeup of the digestive system.
  • It increases blood flow, thus helping modulate healing and recovery processes, especially in the musculoskeletal system.
  • It also helps with neuron regeneration and improves the integrity of the blood-brain barrier.
  • It’s an F-actin sequestering peptide that dampens the effects of scarring.
[17:00] What’s Happening in the Peptide Space
  • The peptide space is incredibly dynamic with lots of innovative research and people working hard to get it to clinical relevance.
  • While much of it is on the bench, there are many strides in the peptide space.
  • There are many factors affecting the accessibility of peptides, such as market exclusivity.
[19:42] Increasing Accessibility
  • Brian has been advocating and informing his patients of what’s available to them and gives them access if possible.
  • Peptides that are in clinical development and have gone through safety trials require an API.
  • Unfortunately, there are still some inconsistencies in products with company pharmacies that they partner with.
  • It’s important to assess what’s going to be effective for you.
[23:24] SS-31
  • SS-31 is a mitochondrial peptide that has market exclusivity.
  • It targets the inner mitochondrial membrane and buffers lipid peroxidation, improving the overall system.
  • Brian and his team are working on enhancing its effects by adding other synergistic materials to it.
[27:33] GHK-Cu
  • GHK-Cu is widely known in the aesthetic space for collagen deposition and reduction of fine lines and wrinkles.
  • Peptides should be used with caution because taking too much might compromise your health.
  • It’s also being used for postoperative recovery and it could potentially help reorient genetic issues and damage.
[31:15] Ta1
  • Thymosin alpha 1 modulates the immune system. It protects immunocompromised people who are more vulnerable to viral bacteria.
  • It’s used for vaccines against viral hepatitis, certain types of cancer, and autoimmune diseases.
  • Essentially, it helps with immunosurveillance by identifying foreign invaders, such as viruses and bacteria, and removing them.
  • Though it has an incredible safety record, it’s under scrutiny and there is limited access to it.
[31:15] Semaglutide and GLP-RA
  • Semaglutide and GLP-RA are synthetic peptides that regulate metabolism, increasing energy utilization and decreasing fat storage.
  • It’s commonly used for glucose control.
  • It also regulates metabolic processes in the brain, potentially reversing cognitive issues.
  • However, it might also lead to nausea, vomiting, distension, and other issues because it slows down stomach emptying.
[43:42] MOD GRF 1-29
  • Overstimulation of CJC-1295, which upregulates growth hormones, can lead to a host of issues, such as fluid retention and neuropathic pain.
  • MOD GRF 1-29 promotes more robust growth hormone production.
  • Using growth hormone-stimulating hormones might cause dependence because it will shut down your ability to produce growth hormones.
  • Abusing growth hormones can shut down your body’s abilities.
  • Growth hormones are released robustly at night and put you in a position to recover.
[49:23] Other Peptides
  • Brian is only familiar with Epithalamin with regards to pineal gland-derived peptides.
  • Cerebral lysine supports the nervous system and can potentially treat Alzheimer’s disease, brain injury, stroke, etc.
  • MOTS-c is a mitochondrial-derived peptide that’s associated with longevity.
  • Humanin is used with MOTS-c, due to its synergistic effects, to encourage greater levels of mitochondria and metabolic flexibility.
  • Metabolic flexibility translates to overall system integrity, resiliency, and performance.
[57:24] Supersapiens
  • Supersapiens sensors track glucose, ketones, and lactate in real-time.
  • It helps enhance your performance and guides you in knowing what you need.
  • It’s best to seek guidance when you start getting into the peptide space so you’ll be able to do things effectively and safely.
7 Powerful Quotes

“... essentially, what it does is it helps to regulate a given process. And that’s what peptides do, they are essentially a key to a door or an opportunity to either lock a door of a given process or open it up…”

“[Peptides] could be analogous to a dimmer switch on the wall: you’re turning up the light or turning down the light, but that’s going to correspond with the given physiologic mechanism.”

“Just because this stuff looks good on paper doesn’t necessarily mean it’s going to be good for everyone. It’s really important to distil down what is going to be effective for you so you’re not wasting your time and your money doing a treatment that you don’t necessarily need.”

“If you’re in a chronic deteriorative state where your body’s sort of ill-equipped to address that need, then you’re going to chronically upregulate inflammation and essentially chronically deteriorate, unfortunately.”

“More is not always better.”

“Everything happens in a rhythm. Everything has its own clock.”

“It’s important [...] to have guidance, whether that’s with me or someone else that is skilled and understands this constantly evolving field to really do things effectively.”

Resources About Brian

Brian Graham is the Program Director at Boulder Longevity Institute. He’s a certified peptide specialist through the International Peptide Society and American Academy for Anti-Aging and Regenerative Medicine. 

Brian is an industrious health and wellness professional with a thorough understanding of clinical peptide modalities. Through his work, he provides high-level concierge health services to patients and is well-versed in peptide sales. 

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[REPLAY] TOUGH TALKS WITH CHRIS DORRIS - MENTAL TOUGHNESS COACH29 Mar 202201:04:32
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The Secret Longevity Supplements Tocotrienol And Geranylgeraniol With Dr Barrie Tan Part 220 Jun 202400:50:33

In this weeks episode, we will have the part two of Dr Barrie Tan's episode.

The information you will learn from todays episode - if you take it onboard, will indeed change your life, longevity and health for the better so this is a must listen to podcast with actionable insights and incredible clinical research behind it.

What you will learn: 

  • Who is Dr. Barrie Tan?.
  • What is Vitamin E - Tocotrienol?
  • What is GG?
  • What is the difference between tocotrienol and GG? 
  • What is the difference between tocotrienol and tocopherol?
  • Which annatto should you take?
  • What is the link between CoQ10 and statins and GG.
  • What is the link between GG and testosterone?
  • Why should you take MK-4 and GG?...

Tocotrienols roles in bone density

Tocotrienols roles in Non alcoholic fatty liver disease, pre diabetes, diabetes, cardiovascular disease

Tocotrienols role in fighting various cancer types

GG's role in bone density, muscle synthesis, coenzyme Q10 absorption and much much more.

website 
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A scientist first and foremost, Dr. Tan earned his Ph.D. in chemistry/biochemistry from the University of Otago, New Zealand, and spent several years as a professor at UMass. Dr. Tan has committed himself to the research and development of phytonutrients — natural compounds found in plants that reduce and slow chronic disorders.

Dr. Barrie Tan is hailed as a trailblazer and the world's foremost expert on vitamin E, credited with discovering tocotrienol in three major natural sources and geranylgeraniol, an essential nutrient with implications for sports and active nutrition. A scientist first and foremost, Dr. Tan earned his Ph.D. in Chemistry/Biochemistry from the University of Otago, New Zealand and spent several years as a professor at UMass. Today, his research focuses on lipid-soluble nutrients that reduce and slow chronic conditions.

Dr. Tan is credited with discovering a form of vitamin E called tocotrienol from three major sources: palm, rice, and annatto — a natural dye and food coloring derived from the seeds of the achiote tree, known for its potential health benefits, including antioxidant and antimicrobial properties. Editor of two prestigious books on tocotrienol and founder of the International Tocotrienol Conference, Dr. Tan was dubbed the "Tocotrienol King" by Dr. Stephen Sinatra, a highly respected and sought-after cardiologist.

Dr. Tan has held roles of Chief Scientific Officer and Scientific Board Member for multinational organizations. His career includes periods working in association with the US Armed Forces and a Prince of Thailand. He has successfully launched multiple businesses in the nutrition industry and owns an array of patents and intellectual property, keeping him at the forefront of scientific innovation.

He is an internationally celebrated and sought-after speaker, having presented at multiple respected conferences in the field including; IFT, ADA, ASN, IHS, A4M, NPA, AACR, ICIM, IAOMT, and the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics.


Dr. Tan is currently the President of American River Nutrition, a natural health R&D company he started with his wife, Elizabeth, in 1998. Described as a scientific pioneer, his mission is simple: improve the everyday health of people's lives through the rigorous application of DeltaGold® – the first-ever tocopherol-free tocotrienol product extracted from annatto, and the most potent form of vitamin E in existence today.


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Achieving Greatness with Anne Audain24 Mar 202200:49:53

Pursuing your passion takes a lifetime of dedication. Sometimes, you might feel that you’re not reaping what you sowed. But the road to success is neither easy nor short. Many successful people needed to work hard and ceaselessly for years before getting a breakthrough in their careers.

In this episode, Anne Audain shares her incredible journey as a runner. Throughout her career, she broke many records, won many races, and inspired many significant changes in the sport. Even back then, when there were fewer opportunities for athletes to earn money and go pro, she was able to break the norms and earn a living with her passion. Learn how Anne triumphed over all the obstacles and made history as an athlete, and as a woman.

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Episode Highlights [03:17] Anne’s Childhood
  • When she was a child, her parents noticed she walked on her heels. Bone deformities grew on her feet, but she couldn’t get surgery until she was 13.
  • After her surgery, she wasn’t given crutches or a wheelchair; instead, the doctors gave her an orthopedic boot to push her forward on her feet.
  • When she took off her cast, she found that it was easier to run than walk.
[06:30] The Start of Her Running Journey
  • She joined the Otahuhu Athletics Club in South Auckland at 14 years old.
  • She tried high jumping and long jumping but ultimately found that she loved running.
  • She finished third in the Auckland Senior 800m Champs and was recruited by her first coach into his athletic squad.
  • When she began running, the longest distance in Olympic Games for women was 800m.
[10:06] Progressing Into the Major Leagues
  • She started racing cross country in the senior races at 14 years old.
  • At 15, she won the New Zealand road championships and Auckland vs. Waikato.
  • Then at 16, she raced in the New Zealand championships in the 1500m but wasn’t able to go to Munich though she qualified for the Olympics because she was too young.
  • She finished ninth in the World Championships in Belgium at 17 years old.
  • Listen to the full episode to hear more about how she got to represent New Zealand and travel for free many times!
[14:08] How She Started Road Racing
  • In 1981, she left New Zealand with her husband and headed to England.
  • Anne got her airfare to England by getting into a New Zealand cross country team to go to Madrid in March 1981.
  • She had no intentions of pursuing the sport, but Rod Dixon told her to try road racing.
  • Anne then came to the United States and finished third in a 10k in New Orleans.
[19:58] The First Professional Race
  • Back then, they just raced and won trophies; but road race directors wanted the sport to go professional to stop the under-the-table payments.
  • Phil Knight, the founder of Nike, also supported the change so he can sponsor runners.
  • In June 1981, Anne won a 15km race in Portland, Oregon — the first professional race — where there was equal prize money.
  • Despite the consequences, she believed she deserved a chance to earn money, too.
  • Because she was only in the United States on a visitor’s visa, she got in trouble since it was illegal to accept money and those who do can get a lifetime ban from the sport.
[25:28] How Her Career Took Off
  • The United States road race directors ignored the ban, and allowed her to continue her sport.
  • She was able to race at the Peachtree Road Race in Atlanta and continued road racing.
  • By the end of 1981, she had earned $22,000. She also signed with Nike, becoming the first female runner to sign with the company.
  • She eventually chose to become an American taxpayer and deal with immigration.
[28:02] Helping Athletes Grow
  • Races becoming professional shook up a lot of sports and gave opportunities for student-athletes to get sponsorship agreements.
  • Becoming a full-time athlete allowed her to get better accomplishments.
  • She was one of the first to get the H-1B visa, which is now used by many athletes.
  • She was only reinstated a week before racing in Brisbane at the Commonwealth Games.
  • Anne believes that athletes should get opportunities to grow when they’re young.
[36:15] Anne’s Many Achievements
  • She set the world record in the 5000m at Mt Smart Stadium.
  • In 1982, she was undefeated in the United States and broke the course records of each race that she ran in.
  • Her two biggest decisions were going pro in the United States and changing coaches.
  • Listen to the full episode to hear all about the amazing races and accomplishments that she garnered in her running career!
[36:15] Transitioning Out
  • She retired due to mental reasons since she started losing focus and discipline.
  • Once she made her decision, her coach, John Davies, said she just needed six months of sabbatical, but she knew she was done.
  • In 1993, she founded what became the largest women’s only event in the United States.
  • She put her passion into building that event and empowering women to participate in the 5000k race.
[45:16] The Biggest Lesson
  • Her sport taught her how to live a focused, calm, and healthy life, which was particularly useful during the pandemic.
  • Learning to live a simple life is the greatest gift.
7 Powerful Quotes

“Every dream is to go to the Olympic Games and you can always look back and say, ‘It might have been my one and only chance.’”

“So what I was getting out of my sport then was a whole bunch of world travel free, which was absolutely amazing. But who knew where it was all going to go? So I split my career into [...] 11 years as an amateur, and then things could have gone backwards or forwards.”

“If I can earn money out of my talent, then I want the same chance.”

“And so all these people go, ‘Well, they should be doing it for the love of their country’ and so forth. Well, I did it for the love of my country for 11 years, and I was almost lost. I wouldn't be sitting here with another 11 years of even better accomplishments if I had not been proficient.”

“How do you grow athletes if you don’t give them a chance when they’re young?”

“In ‘81, I was two weeks away from being gone from the sport; and in ‘82, I had a world record, a gold medal, and was unbeaten. So here’s the difference my decision made in my life.”

“I think if you can learn to live a very simple life, which we do learn to live a very disciplined, focused, but also a very simple life as professional athletes, that’s [...] one of the greatest gifts that you get.”

Resources About Anne

Anne Audain, the first professional female distance runner. Throughout her career, she has set records and pioneered professional running for women. She has been inducted into the New Zealand Sports Hall of Fame, the USA Running Hall of Fame, and honoured with a Member of the British Empire medal from Queen Elizabeth II for her contributions to her sport worldwide.

She founded the Anne Audain Charitable Trust to support at-risk youth in Auckland in 1991 and the Idaho Women’s Celebration 5K in 1993. Her autobiography, Uncommon Heart: 1 Woman’s Triumph, was published in 2000.

If you want to know more about Anne’s journey and achievements, check out her website. You can also reach out to her on LinkedIn and Facebook.

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[Replay] LISA'S TOP TRAIL RUNNING TIPS22 Mar 202200:26:36
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Marathon for a Cause: The Fight Against Cerebral Palsy with Andrew McCrory17 Mar 202200:58:04

Marathon is a tough challenge. There will be days when you wonder whether the early morning runs, the sweltering heat, and the pressure to win are all worth it. Yet, despite the odds, charity runners still put on their running shoes, hoping to transform the lives of people in need.

Without a doubt, completing a marathon is an amazing feat. However, doing it for a good cause always elevates the experience.

In this episode, Andrew McCrory talks about his journey running across New Zealand to raise funds for kids with cerebral palsy. He describes the obstacles he faced during the marathon and shares how he overcame them. Finally, Andrew offers advice to those considering undertaking such amazing feats for a good cause.

If you’re interested in running for a cause, this episode is for you!

Here are three reasons why you should listen to the full episode:
  1. Understand how running can help advance a noble cause.
  2. Get advice on how to cope with the effects of long-distance running.
  3. Find out how Andrew overcame hurdles, both in ultra-marathons and in life.
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Resources Episode Highlights [3:56] Andrew’s Background 
  • Andrew is a loving husband and father.
  • He is an EIT tutor who assists students preparing for careers in the police and defence forces.
  • He works part time at Peak Fitness and Health as an instructor.
  • Andrew had a back injury as a result of an unfortunate event when he was 17 years old. He went back to running after his recovery.
  • Before joining the army, he worked as a mechanic and a farmer.
[8:27] Starting Long-Distance Running
  • Andrew was inspired to run across New Zealand to raise funds for children with cerebral palsy.
  • He trained for around two months before he started running in December.
  • The only requirement when taking part in long-distance running is to be physically fit.
[11:24] Standing on the Starting Line 
  • Andrew was thrilled to begin his run at Te Mata's Peak because there were many spectators.
  • On day one, finishing the remaining 20 kilometres was a challenge as he continued to hurl.
  • Throughout the first four days of the marathon, Andrew's body continued to cramp. 
  • On the second day, Andrew overcame hurdles as he soothed his blistered feet and endured the burning heat.
  • Running for an extended period causes your feet to swell. Before running a marathon, it is advisable to visit a shoe clinic. 
[18:03] Andrew’s Supportive Wife
  • Andrew’s wife, who is a nurse, has been there for him since he began running.
  • She and Andrew work together to help children with cerebral palsy. 
  • Athletes need the guidance and support of a professional or loved one as they train.
[23:40] Coping with the Challenges of Running
  • It doesn’t matter how long it takes to finish a run. Instead, do what you can for the day.
  • You can enjoy your run once you stop thinking of it as a race.
  • We should commend people who put themselves out there for others, regardless of whether their initiative succeeds or fails.
[33:01] Running for a Cause
  • Andrew’s marathon for cerebral palsy brought a large crowd from Auckland.
  • He planned to gather $20,000 at the end of the marathon. 
  • By the 12th day, he had already received half of the planned charity fund.
  • Utilise the features of social media to encourage people to participate and support charity initiatives. 
  • People who have the least usually donate the most because they understand the struggle. 
[37:32] Preparing and Understanding Your Body 
  • Andrew changed little in his diet, except for giving up coffee.
  • Athletes need the right combination of protein and amino acids to perform well. 
  • Listen to the full episode to know how amino acids can help you perform and recover better. 
[43:13] Bouncing Back 
  • Andrew completed his run across New Zealand in 40 days. 
  • He admits missing the simplicity of marathoning now that he has to deal with the complexities of reality.
  • Allow your body to recover and experience your accomplishment after completing a massive challenge. 
[50:49] Valuable Lessons from Marathoning
  • Don’t be frightened to take on a tough challenge. 
  • Learn to build a team. Look for someone who can help and motivate you.
  • Seek advice from good people.
  • Always celebrate small wins. 
  • Failure is inevitable. You need to learn how to pick yourself up when you fall.
[55:45] The Ultra Marathon Community
  • In the marathon community, it doesn't matter who crosses the finish line first. Everyone encourages one another to get through the event. 
  • The last person to cross the finish line is the toughest and has fought every obstacle known to man.
7 Powerful Quotes

[23:42] Andrew: ‘I just got it through my head that it doesn't matter how long it took me to do 50k… It didn't matter. I could only do what I could do’

[25:22] Lisa: ‘I don't care whether they make it or not make it… because people who are putting themselves out there on the line to do something epic and for good and for their own sporting achievement as well deserve to be congratulated for giving it their all.’

[36:53] Lisa: ‘It does reinforce your belief in humanity because we can get pretty damn cynical in the world that we live in. You know how terrible things can be. Then, you get on the other hand, just amazing people doing amazing things. It's just giving and caring.’

[46:15] Lisa: ​​’Please don't just dive into the next thing. Because you have this tendency when you come off the back of something epic that you've just done, and you’ve achieved, and you’ve done so well, to rush into something else because there's a big hole in your life.’ 

[46:49] Lisa: ‘That was the beautiful thing about ultra-marathon running. You only had one problem to solve that day and that was to get you across the finish line —5 0k’s away. And that's a beautiful purity of purpose.’ 

[50:50] Andrew: ‘Don't be afraid to give it a go. But find someone to help you.’

[52:54] Andrew: ‘Celebrate the small wins. Success breeds success.’

About Andrew

Andrew McCrory made a name for himself as a runner for children who couldn't walk. While trapped on his sofa for four months due to an accident, he had plenty of time to consider what he could do once he regained his strength. Thus, he began his campaign for kids with cerebral palsy.

Since then, he's run thousands of kilometres in favour of the cause. His most recent accomplishment was running 50 kilometres for 40 days to raise money for children with cerebral palsy and need the costly Selective Dorsal Rhizotomy (SDR) surgery in the United States. 

Apart from being an ultra-marathoner, Andrew is an instructor at Peak Fitness and Health and a Services Pathway Tutor at the Eastern Institute of Technology (EIT), where he prepares students for the field of law enforcement. Andrew is also a loving husband and father of two. 

Learn more about Andrew’s cause on Give a Little.

You can also connect with him through his social media accounts: Facebook and Instagram

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[REPLAY] How to Avoid and Fix the Most Common Running Injuries15 Mar 202200:54:42
BRODIE SHARPE is a Melbourne based physiotherapist who specialises in training and treating runners. 

He has an incredible knowledge base on all thing running and how to build strength to avoid the most common injuries, how to recover if you are injured and much more 

You can find Brodie's podcast on all your favourite podcast apps, his show is titled "Everyday Running Legends" and his website 

www. breakthroughrunning.com.au

 

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Reverse Ageing to Live Longer and Healthier with Dr. Elena Seranova10 Mar 202200:57:46

No one is exempt from ageing, and with aging comes diseases and sickness. Decreased performance and cell production also occur because of this phenomenon. Lifestyle changes may be inadequate to help your body function properly.

Over the past years, longevity science has been evolving, with the emergence of several anti-ageing supplements in the market. However, the body may not absorb these supplements effectively enough to slow down the effects of ageing.

In this episode, Dr Elena Seranova explains how the ageing process works. She details how to use supplements, complemented by lifestyle changes, to reverse ageing. She also shares how NMN can be coupled with TMG to create the ultimate longevity supplement. There’s no one supplement to optimise your health, but good habits and lifestyle changes are integral to having a longer and healthier life!

If you want to learn how to reverse ageing through supplements and lifestyle changes, then this episode is for you!

Here are three reasons why you should listen to the full episode:
  1. Understand the aging process, its vicious cycle, and how it affects and changes our bodies. 
  2. Learn how you can slow down and reverse the effects of aging.
  3. Discover how you can combine TMG with NMN for better results.
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Are you struggling with a health issue and need people who look outside the square and are connected to some of the greatest science and health minds in the world? Then reach out to us at support@lisatamati.com, we can jump on a call to see if we are a good fit for you.

If you have a big challenge ahead, are dealing with adversity or want to take your performance to the next level and want to learn how to increase your mental toughness, emotional resilience, foundational health, and more, contact us at support@lisatamati.com.

Order My Books

My latest book Relentless chronicles the inspiring journey about how my mother and I defied the odds after an aneurysm left my mum Isobel with massive brain damage at age 74. The medical professionals told me there was absolutely no hope of any quality of life again. Still, I used every mindset tool, years of research and incredible tenacity to prove them wrong and bring my mother back to full health within three years. Get your copy here: https://shop.lisatamati.com/collections/books/products/relentless.

For my other two best-selling books Running Hot and Running to Extremes, chronicling my ultrarunning adventures and expeditions all around the world, go to https://shop.lisatamati.com/collections/books.

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Episode Highlights [01:53] How Longevity Science Is Growing
  • There are a growing number of anti-ageing products as we understand the ageing process better.
  • Multiple cellular processes decline or become imbalanced as people age.
  • There are 9 hallmarks of ageing, and the study recently added another hallmark to include inflammation. 
  • The top four killer diseases are cancer, cardiovascular disease, neurodegeneration, and diabetes. The older you are, the higher your chance of developing one of these diseases. 
  • Our body peaks at 25 and starts the aging process from there.
[06:06] Why Is NMN Important? 
  • NMN stands for nicotinamide mononucleotide and is a Vitamin B3 derivative. 
  • It’s a natural molecule that you can get from food, but getting an efficient dosage requires supplementation.
  • NMN is a precursor to help our metabolism, and it boosts NAD levels. NAD serves as fuel for SIRTUIN proteins that are involved in rejuvenation processes. 
  • NAD is vital to keep our cells healthy and ensure they don’t lose their identity.
[09:23] What Happens in the Body as We Age
  • Cell identity is vital. What differentiates cells is how certain parts of the genomes are read. As we age, this process can become chaotic. 
  • Chromatin is a substance in a chromosome. Lightly packed chromatin under active transcription is called euchromatin. Heterochromatin, on the other hand, is more condensed and transcriptionally silent.
  • Epigenetic changes can dictate which areas will be active or inactive. This defines how a cell can be expressed.
  • Sirtuins are crucial in making sure the right genes are active and mediating DNA repair. However, they become less efficient as we age. 
  • This is how our epigenetic regulation becomes loose, leading to genomic instability and loss of cellular identity. 
[15:33] How Aging Can Create a Vicious Cycle
  • NAD is the fuel source of sirtuin genes. When these genes are depleted, our DNA can’t be repaired.
  • As we age, NAD production depletes. DNA breaks and genome instability also increase. 
  • This becomes a vicious cycle of needing more energy but with less production. 
  • Furthermore, genome instability can increase senescence or zombie cells. These can further increase genome instability. 
  • Senescent cells are cells that forget how to do their function well and stop replicating. These cells can further drain NAD levels.
[18:19] The Link Between Fasting and Cell Autophagy
  • Autophagy is the process where cells can get rid of toxins and other things that are not needed anymore.
  • Autophagy ensures housekeeping and can be triggered by fasting. 
  • 12 hours of fasting can start autophagy in the liver, while 20 hours of fasting can start the process in other tissues.   
  • Eating can activate mTOR, which is another vital cell regulator. This process is deactivated through supplements like Berberine.
  • Learn to balance both eating and fasting. Hear about Dr Elena’s fasting schedule and supplements in the full episode!
[27:48] Why Dr Elena Launched TMG
  • Methylation is vital for the body’s most critical functions. These include creating neurotransmitters, cell division, energy production, metabolism, and epigenetics. 
  • Dr Elena launched TMG to boost NMN’s effectiveness and metabolism. 
  • Methylation and TMG can control homocysteine levels, which correlate with cardiovascular diseases. TMG may also enhance athletic performance.
  • It also has a good safety profile with no side effects despite higher dosage.
  • Dr Elena recommends a 1:2 or 1:3 ratio of NMN to TMG. For every 500 milligrams of NMN, take 1 to 2 grams of TMG.
[33:31] Do We Need to Worry about Hyper-methylation? 
  • It’s difficult to hyper-methylate. However, individual genetic factors can affect homocysteine levels. 
  • To check your homocysteine levels, you can undergo a blood test or check your gene variants with a genetic test
  • TMG is an osmoregulator that helps regulate cell balance and can optimize methylation.
  • After taking over 20 grams, a laxative effect may appear.
[39:41] Where to Start
  • Dr Elena recommends taking NMN, TMG, and extra virgin olive oil for anti-ageing.
  • NMN can also help increase insulin sensitivity and boost collagen production, as seen in human clinical trial in prediabetic women.
  • The market has a lot of collagen supplements, but not all of them are absorbed by the body effectively.
  • Insulin sensitivity decreases as we age. This is the body’s ability to let glucose flow freely into cells.
  • You can reverse ageing problems with a better lifestyle and supplements. Dr Elena recommends avoiding carbohydrates in your diet.
[42:55] How to Have a Healthier Diet
  • Around 80% of adults in the West may be pre-diabetic.
  • So many foods nowadays are made to be addictive. 
  • While a vegan diet can help you detox at first, you will eventually experience amino acid depletion. Dr Elena prefers a carnivore diet.
  • She also does fasting with a three-hour eating window. You can start with a longer eating window and slowly reduce it. 
  • You don’t want a glucose spike in the morning.
[48:06] You Don’t Need to Be Perfect 
  • You don’t have to be perfect every day, but make sure you stay consistent with your overall longevity routine. 
  • Exercise and saunas activate Sirtuins. Try to have a routine for one or both.
  • Optimize your routine and find out what works for you. 
[50:52] NMN Bio’s Growth
  • Dr Elena shares that her company has been growing rapidly. They now have a UK warehouse, UK Amazon FBA, and another warehouse in Europe. 
  • They are also expanding to the United States. 
  • Remember that no one supplement will do everything for you. You also need to change your lifestyle, which includes diet, exercise, and even biorhythms.  
  • There’s a lot of information about longevity online, and it can become overwhelming. This is why Dr Elena created an online course about longevity. 
  • Dr Elena recommends making sure your circadian rhythm is not disrupted. 
Resources

 

 

7 Powerful Quotes

[04:28] ‘The older you are, the highest your risk of getting one of these diseases; so if it's not gonna be one of them, it's gonna be the other one… Now we start realising when does aging start, which is actually at quite a young age, basically at the age of 25. Because this is where our hormones peak…’

[12:25] ‘There are multiple functions that Sirtuins need to attend to within the cell. With age, this function becomes less and less efficient, basically, because sirtuins become more forgetful.’

[16:02] ‘So as we age, the production of NAD is declining. So this means that there is less NAD available for sirtuins to use as their fuel to do their job.’

[39:52] ‘There are so many collagen supplements on the market, but not all of them are efficient. And actually not all of them are being absorbed properly because when you do take collagen orally, basically, it’s broken down into amino acids in your digestive system. And then those amino acids may or may not be used to produce more collagen.’

[47:56] ‘We’re all on this road of re-educating ourselves and don't go for perfection. Just go for better, I think is a message as well, you don't have to be perfect.’

[52:22] ‘With regards to the longevity field, I think that it's very important for people to understand that there is no such thing as the fountain of youth. There is no one supplement that you're going to take that is going to do everything for you.’

[56:40] ‘If your melatonin is disrupted, then you will have less defense against reactive oxygen species and that there is another plethora of processes that melatonin is also implicated in and then you don't have all these benefits. And then you're basically aging faster… Takeaway message from today's podcasts. Make sure that you go to sleep early, everyone.’

About Dr Elena 

Dr Elena Seranova is a scientist, serial entrepreneur and business mentor. She has now founded multiple innovative biotechnological businesses. She first studied at the University of Ioannina with a major in Psychology. Dr Elena then started a private practice before developing an interest in neuroscience.

She continued her studies and earned her Master’s Degree in Translational Neuroscience at the University of Sheffield. She now also holds a Doctorate Degree in Stem Cell Biology and Autophagy from the University of Birmingham.

Dr Elena’s expertise in these fields has led her to become the co-founder of a biotech start-up, SkyLab Bio. She has written several peer-reviewed articles on autophagy throughout her career.

In addition to these accomplishments, she started her latest business, NMN Bio. Her own experiences with the use of supplements have inspired her to expand the market to supply the public with cutting-edge anti-ageing supplements. NMN Bio reaches New Zealand, the UK, and Europe.

Dr Elena found her passion for drug discovery and autophagy. She has endeavoured to share this with the public through her research and work as an entrepreneur. 

To learn more about Dr Elena and her work, visit NMN Bio.

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[REPLAY] Dr Paul Wood - Breaking out of your own prison08 Mar 202200:57:22
Dr Paul Wood has had a very colourful life. At age 18 and having just lost his mum he was on a path for disaster, a drug addict and entrenched already in a criminal underworld.
One night a drug dealer tried to molest him and the young Paul reacted violently and caused the death of this man. He had just days before lost his mother and had been the victim of sexual abuse in his childhood and so his reactions were beyond what the situation called for. He was convicted and would spend the next 11 years in jail, most of it in the high security unit at Paremoremo but this is where the story gets interesting.
Instead of living the predictable criminals life, Paul eventually got the chance to study while inside and this changed him and his destiny. He was the first inmate in NZ to come out of prison with a Doctorate to his name.

Since then he has completely turned his life around and continues his work in helping others escape their own mental prisons. 

He discusses the need for more emotional literacy especially amoung young men and the need to teach more resilience, mental strength and how to manage emotions. 

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If so, you can now learn the secrets to mental toughness and to developing a never quit mindset from someone who has been there and done that and lived to tell the tale.

For more information go to www.lisatamati.co.nz/ecourse

The information contained in this show is not medical advice it is for educational purposes only and the opinions of guests are not the views of the show. Please seed your own medical advice from a registered medical professional.

 

Optimising Health and Nutrition Through Diet and Lifestyle Dr. Mikki Williden03 Mar 202201:09:12

Our idea of a healthy lifestyle consists of farm-fresh produce, vegetable-rich diets, and regular exercise.  But good nutrition goes beyond the diet and workout programs influencers show on social media.

As people we all struggle with different ailments and have different genetic makeups, it is essential to practice critical thinking before jumping onto the latest diet trends. Attractive as their promises may appear, what might be right for one person may not be right for you. 

In this episode, Dr Mikki Williden shares the importance of having the right balance with regard to nutrition and delves into common misconceptions about diet and lifestyle. Dr Mikki details the strategies to optimise your health, especially during these trying times.  Nutrition isn’t just about limiting calories  but more about eating the right foods. 

If you are looking to start your journey to a healthier you or if you want to learn more about the science of nutrition, this episode is for you!

Here are three reasons why you should listen to the full episode:
  1. Learn more about nutrition and the importance of proteins in your diet.
  2. Learn to think critically  rather than just jumping on the next popular bandwagon
  3. Discover strategies for optimising your health, especially during the pandemic.
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Do you want to beat last year’s time or finish at the front of the pack? Want to run your first 5-km or run a 100-miler?

​​Do you want a holistic programme that is personalised & customised to your ability, goals, and lifestyle? 

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Health Optimisation and Life Coaching

Are you struggling with a health issue and need people who look outside the square and are connected to some of the greatest science and health minds in the world? Then reach out to us at support@lisatamati.com, we can jump on a call to see if we are a good fit for you.

If you have a big challenge ahead, are dealing with adversity or want to take your performance to the next level and want to learn how to increase your mental toughness, emotional resilience, foundational health, and more, contact us at support@lisatamati.com.

Order My Books

My latest book Relentless chronicles the inspiring journey about how my mother and I defied the odds after an aneurysm left my mum Isobel with massive brain damage at age 74. The medical professionals told me there was absolutely no hope of any quality of life again. Still, I used every mindset tool, years of research and incredible tenacity to prove them wrong and bring my mother back to full health within three years. Get your copy here: https://shop.lisatamati.com/collections/books/products/relentless.

For my other two best-selling books Running Hot and Running to Extremes, chronicling my ultrarunning adventures and expeditions all around the world, go to https://shop.lisatamati.com/collections/books.

Lisa’s Anti-Ageing and Longevity Supplements 

NMN: Nicotinamide Mononucleotide, an NAD+ precursor

Feel Healthier and Younger*

Researchers have found that Nicotinamide Adenine Dinucleotide or NAD+, a master regulator of metabolism and a molecule essential for the functionality of all human cells, is being dramatically decreased over time.

What is NMN?

NMN Bio offers a cutting edge Vitamin B3 derivative named NMN (beta Nicotinamide Mononucleotide) that can boost the levels of NAD+ in muscle tissue and liver. Take charge of your energy levels, focus, metabolism and overall health so you can live a happy, fulfilling life.

Founded by scientists, NMN Bio offers supplements of the highest purity and rigorously tested by an independent, third-party lab. Start your cellular rejuvenation journey today.

Support Your Healthy Ageing

We offer powerful third-party tested NAD+ boosting supplements so you can start your healthy ageing journey today.

Shop now: https://nmnbio.nz/collections/all

  • NMN (beta Nicotinamide Mononucleotide) 250mg | 30 capsules
  • NMN (beta Nicotinamide Mononucleotide) 500mg | 30 capsules
  • 6 Bottles | NMN (beta Nicotinamide Mononucleotide) 250mg | 30 Capsules
  • 6 Bottles | NMN (beta Nicotinamide Mononucleotide) 500mg | 30 Capsules
Quality You Can Trust — NMN

Our premium range of anti-ageing nutraceuticals (supplements that combine Mother Nature with cutting edge science) combats the effects of aging while designed to boost NAD+ levels. Manufactured in an ISO9001 certified facility

Boost Your NAD+ Levels — Healthy Ageing: Redefined
  • Cellular Health
  • Energy & Focus
  • Bone Density
  • Skin Elasticity
  • DNA Repair
  • Cardiovascular Health
  • Brain Health 
  • Metabolic Health
My  ‘Fierce’ Sports Jewellery Collection

For my gorgeous and inspiring sports jewellery collection, 'Fierce', go to https://shop.lisatamati.com/collections/lisa-tamati-bespoke-jewellery-collection.

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Episode Highlights [04:48] Nutrition in the Academe 
  • Anyone in the nutrition space can call themselves a nutritionist even without experience.  
  • Mikki noticed that most people with a high comprehension of nutrition do not necessarily have degrees in nutrition. 
  • Critical thinkers tend to have a high capacity for understanding how nutrition works.
  • There are limitations for those studying nutrition through university programs. Universities tend to teach students an established way of analysing problems.
[07:08] Nutrition in the Field of Medicine
  • Most general practitioners do not have in-depth knowledge about nutrition, which has given them a bad reputation at times.
  • The study of nutrition can range from diet to nutrient medication and even to gene interactions. General Practitioners may not know more specialized information about nutrition.
  • According to Mikki, we may have grown up thinking that our doctor’s decisions are absolute. You are always free to take ownership of your health.
  • Mikki recommends Lara Briden’s book, Hormone Repair Manual. Learn more about this by tuning in to the full episode.
[13:57] Proteins: A Double-Edged Sword
  • Amino acids, which build up proteins, act as signalling molecules to turn on the mTOR pathway.
  • The mTOR pathway regulates growth, particularly cell proliferation, in animals and humans.
  • The mTOR pathway is vital to human growth and metabolism, but too little or too much activity can be detrimental.
  • Long-term continuous activity in the mTOR pathway drives cancer cell proliferation and metabolism.
[20:05] The Scary Thing About Cancer
  • The terrifying fact about cancer is that it can affect anyone. 
  • Cancers can target different areas of the body, which require specific treatments and protocols.
  • Early detection and diagnosis of cancer will give us the chance to fight back.
  • However, different cancer tests also vary in sensitivity levels. Some are more sensitive than others.
[23:06] Why Proteins?
  • Keeping your blood sugar in check is a priority, especially for individuals with metabolic dysregulation.
  • If you practice a low protein diet, your body will naturally crave more carbohydrates.
  • To prevent unnecessary intake of carbohydrates, keeping a balanced high-protein diet will be a good step. 
[25:56] Should You Fast?
  • For individuals at the heavier side of the weight spectrum, fasting can help with their therapy.
  • People on the leaner side of the spectrum, on the other hand, should refrain from prolonged fasting. It may result in loss of muscle mass.
  • Exercise and fasting provide ‘good stress,’ which can upregulate the body's antioxidant system, anti-inflammatory systems, and NPK signalling pathways.
  • However, too much stress can break down the body. Always remember to do both in moderation.
  • The body needs a period of recovery and feeding to reap the benefits of exercise and fasting.
[32:32] Considerations for Fasting
  • According to Prof Layman and Dr Phillips, two solid inputs of proteins help stimulate muscle protein synthesis a day.  
  • Teenagers and young adults require around 15-20 grams to maximize muscle protein synthesis. Meanwhile, middle-aged to older individuals need 40 grams of protein for optimal muscle protein synthesis.
  • Extreme fasting can pose a high risk of accelerating muscle breakdown. Getting the right amount of protein for muscle synthesis is important because our bone health also gradually degenerates as we age. 
  • Falls and trips are one of the top causes of mortality in older adults. Our foot and ankle muscles should be strong enough in and around to prevent such accidents. 
[36:30] Checking Your Bone-Building Markers 
  • Fasting or insufficient food intake after exercise is also detrimental to bone health.
  • The body’s bone-building markers are low during the period after exercise.
  • Factoring in your day’s program for your carbohydrate intake can be beneficial.
  • Bone marker retention improves with high omega-three intake.
[39:57] The Truth About Oils
  • Vegetable oils are usually dubbed as “bad” oils since they upregulate inflammation in the body. Processing may heat these oils and destabilize them, which leads to oxidation of the oils. 
  • Oxidized oils are atherogenic. This means that they promote the thickening or hardening of arteries due to fatty plaque build-up.
  • Placing oils in plastic containers, such as in commercially available oils, can also cause plasticizers to seep into the oil.
  • A high seed oil diet also means a lot of processed or refined carbohydrate content from the preservatives.
[44:42] Strategies for a Healthy Nutrition
  • Going organic is a privilege. Depending on a person’s access and budget, there will be times when commercial, processed food will be the only way to go. In cases like this, keeping things in moderation will be key.
  • Personality has an impact on becoming successful. Success follows if you live a balanced lifestyle.
  • Becoming self-aware is a good step towards a more balanced, healthy life. 
[55:12] Optimising Health During the Pandemic
  • Mikki laments the lack of discussion about health in the context of COVID-19.
  • Advocacy plays a heavy role in policymaking during this pandemic. 
  • Resiliency and protection from the virus still depend on how fundamentally healthy you are.
  • COVID-19 is seen from an epidemiological or immunological point of view. However, the pandemic also has influenced social and cognitive aspects of life. 
  • People should exercise critical thinking instead of blindly following mandates.
7 Powerful Quotes

[06:30] (On nutrition in the academy) ‘It's like having done study to work out that you have a super good brain. You are able and capable of doing it, but it has taught you to think in one particular way.’

[20:20] ‘It feels like you get ahead in terms of different treatments, different protocols sort of coming out. But then, every cancer is so different, like a completely different disease.’

[24:15] ‘This is what the research tells us: that you don't have to use research, you just sort of intuitively know if you're propping up your energy because you're trying to rescue your blood sugars on an hour by hour basis. The thing that your body wants is carbs. And it's actually the last thing that it needs.’

[27:24] On repeated and heavy stress on the body: ‘Coming from an ultramarathon background — for health, for toughness, for the sporting endeavor, for the goals and the bloody adventure — yes. For health? No.’

[30:01] ‘If you think about energy expenditure and energy input, if you've got a high energy expenditure, it likes a high energy input to keep those those metabolic pathways nourished, if you like. But then, you move into a phase of low energy output and low energy intake, and again, your body quite likes it, too. It’s good to give your body a bit of a rest.’

[41:15] Whenever you put fat in plastic, it just means that the plasticizers from the container can seep into that food source. That's why I recommend that anyone with any sort of leftovers or whatever, if it's a steamer that they're using a plastic container, put down some baking paper, put something down so there’s a barrier between the plastic [and food].’

[48:33] ‘Mum would not be here if I hadn't, and we as a family, hadn't sacrificed one hell of a lot to get back and on a day to day basis, ongoing. That's what you do for your loved one. For me, it's important to get the people to understand this is a journey.’

About Dr Mikki

Dr Mikki Williden, PhD, is a registered nutritionist, who has been helping individuals achieve peak health and performance since 2006. She graduated with a Bachelor of Science in Human Nutrition. She also has a Bachelor of Physical Education from the University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand.

In 2003, Mikki donned First Class Honors in her Master in Science degree, where she focused on the development of childhood obesity prevention. By 2011, she obtained a PhD degree with her thesis in health and productivity.

Mikki has a regular column in Bite Magazine, which is part of the New Zealand Herald. She also co-hosts a weekly endurance sports podcast called “Fitter Radio.” Through her podcast, she works together with notable figures in New Zealand and helps them achieve their nutrition-related goals. 

To learn more about Mikki, drop a visit to her website or connect with her on Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook

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[REPLAY] From Middle Aged Accountant to Ultramarathon Legend Nicola Benzie in 3 years01 Mar 202200:53:35

Nicola (AKA Gus) Benzie is a mild mannered accountant by day and wild ultramarathon running queen by weekend and night.

I met Gus 4 years ago when she was training to run her first half marathon, she joined our coaching family and we have seen her go from being a rather self concious, lacking in confidence, slightly overweight middle aged lady with asthma who kept getting repeated injuries and many setbacks to becoming a fully fledged ultramrathon running Queen who conquers 100 mile mountain ultramarathons and multi day stage races. From half  a marathon to a 100 miles in 3 years. Wow.

Her story is inspiring and you will leave this interview feeling like "just maybe I could do that too"

 

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The Benefits of Keto: Debunking Modern Diets with Prof David Harper24 Feb 202201:03:36

For years, there have been long-standing debates on what aspects of our food cause obesity. Most healthcare guidelines advise us to follow a high-carb, low-fat diet. But recent findings of nutrition research reveal that this way of eating is not the most effective method to lose weight, nor does it prevent chronic illnesses. And instead of leading a healthy lifestyle, we are eating ourselves to death.

In this episode, Prof David Harper joins us to share the benefits of keto on our health. He also explains why the high-carb, low-fat diet doesn’t work and how it ironically leads to weight gain and diseases. Finally, he shares tips on what to eat to start a healthy lifestyle and how keto can help us achieve this purpose. 

Check out this episode and find out the benefits of keto and which diet could help you lead a healthy lifestyle and help prevent chronic illnesses.

 

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Do you want to beat last year’s time or finish at the front of the pack? Want to run your first 5-km or run a 100-miler?

​​Do you want a holistic programme that is personalised & customised to your ability, goals, and lifestyle? 

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Are you struggling with a health issue and need people who look outside the square and are connected to some of the greatest science and health minds in the world? Then reach out to us at support@lisatamati.com, we can jump on a call to see if we are a good fit for you.

If you have a big challenge ahead, are dealing with adversity or want to take your performance to the next level and want to learn how to increase your mental toughness, emotional resilience, foundational health, and more, contact us at support@lisatamati.com.

Order My Books

My latest book Relentless chronicles the inspiring journey about how my mother and I defied the odds after an aneurysm left my mum Isobel with massive brain damage at age 74. The medical professionals told me there was absolutely no hope of any quality of life again. Still, I used every mindset tool, years of research and incredible tenacity to prove them wrong and bring my mother back to full health within three years. Get your copy here: https://shop.lisatamati.com/collections/books/products/relentless.

For my other two best-selling books Running Hot and Running to Extremes, chronicling my ultrarunning adventures and expeditions all around the world, go to https://shop.lisatamati.com/collections/books.

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Researchers have found that Nicotinamide Adenine Dinucleotide or NAD+, a master regulator of metabolism and a molecule essential for the functionality of all human cells, is being dramatically decreased over time.

What is NMN?

NMN Bio offers a cutting edge Vitamin B3 derivative named NMN (beta Nicotinamide Mononucleotide) that can boost the levels of NAD+ in muscle tissue and liver. Take charge of your energy levels, focus, metabolism and overall health so you can live a happy, fulfilling life.

Founded by scientists, NMN Bio offers supplements of the highest purity and rigorously tested by an independent, third-party lab. Start your cellular rejuvenation journey today.

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  • DNA Repair
  • Cardiovascular Health
  • Brain Health 
  • Metabolic Health
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Here are three reasons why you should listen to the full episode:
  1. Learn why it’s unhealthy to follow a low-carb, high-fat diet 

 

  1. Understand the importance of avoiding highly processed food and sugar 

 

  1. Discover the three axes of illness 
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Episode Highlights [02:56] Dr David’s Background
  • Dr  David switched his research focus to the therapeutic benefits of keto for chronic diseases ten years ago.
  • His recent research collaboration with Dr Jeff Volek looked into the benefits of ketogenic diets for women with metastatic breast cancer. 
  • Like many others, Dr David thought it was healthy to have a high-carb, low-fat diet. 
  • Dr David's book, BioDiet, was made for a layperson to understand the benefits of ketogenic diets
[05:05] Debunking High-Carb, Low-Fat Diet 
  • The high-carb, low-fat diet is an experiment conducted by health bureaucrats on millions of North Americans for years. 
  • Exercise is good for the body, but it’s not the key to losing weight. Instead, people must focus on their diet to shed off some pounds. 
  • Obesity is your body's physiological reaction to excess carbohydrates in your diet. Tune in to know how David came to this realisation through a radio show! 
[09:06] Why Ancel Keys Is Wrong
  • Ancel Keys is an American physiologist who discovered that, supposedly, high saturated fat and cholesterol cause heart diseases. 
  • While his hypothesis seems intuitive, there is no evidence to prove Keys’ statement. 
  • It’s incorrect to consider calories as the primary contributor to weight loss or gain. It’s the food's effect on your metabolism that matters. 
  • The health industry is now revisiting the high-fat, low-carb model due to recent studies revealing sugar and smoking as the primary causes of heart disease and not fat.    
[13:56] Obesity in America
  • The rise of obesity rate in America happened during the 1980s when it released its first dietary guidelines on a high-carb, low-fat diet
  • The benefits of keto are therapeutic; it’s not a fad.
  • It’s difficult to gather all relevant data debunking fat as unhealthy; Proving a nutritional intervention prevents disease means controlling the diet of 1000 people for decades.
  • Studies show that a ketogenic diet is an effective intervention for some chronic illnesses.  
[19:12] On Starting a Ketogenic Diet 
  • Always consult with your physician first before trying a ketogenic diet. 
  • Some might experience mild side effects because of their changing metabolism. 
  • There are multiple benefits of keto: weight loss, fair skin complexion, protection from chronic diseases, and more.
[22:29] The Factors of Illness
  • Chronic diseases and cardiovascular diseases are interrelated. 
  • Another one of the benefits of keto is as a therapeutic intervention for neurological disorders.
  • Insulin resistance, inflammation, and obesity are the axes of illness. Listen to the whole episode to learn how these three factors result in chronic diseases. 
  • Most doctors treat the symptoms and not the disease. The root of diseases is at the cellular metabolic level. 
[27:00] Poor Metabolic Health Amid the Pandemic
  • Most people who contracted COVID-19 are those with poor metabolic health. If we could solve the public's diet problem, we could reduce the burden on hospitals. 
  • There are no definitive findings that keto can help decrease the risk of contracting COVID-19. However, studies show promising results on how it can boost one's immune system against the virus. 
[33:52] The Benefits of Keto 
  • Most postmenopausal women with chronic illnesses found that the benefits of keto include working against brain fog.
  • Ketone is a cleaner brain fuel and causes less inflammation. 
  • Switching to a keto diet activates the essential proteins for a healthy brain. 
[38:18] On Alzheimer’s Disease
  • Alzheimer’s is a form of type three diabetes or insulin resistance of the brain.   
  • Suzanne de la Monte’s study found that exogenous ketones called MCT oil can improve the cognitive function of people with Alzheimer’s disease. 
  • Ketones improve health and brain function. 
[42:16] The Global Burden of Disease
  • Diet is the primary global burden of disease. 
  • Approximately a sixth of the calories young people take in America is fructose.
  • To maintain a healthy life, avoid highly processed food and sugar. 
[45:08] Why Natural is Not Always Good For You
  • Not all plants are good for our bodies and minds. 
  • Plants don’t exist for good health. They’re there to do whatever it takes to survive. 
  • The plants we eat today are not the same as our ancestors ate 50 years ago.
[48:56] Getting the Trend Right 
  • Reduce your sugar, high glycemic index carbohydrates, flour, and the like to see great results on your health. 
  • It’s okay to eat some treats, but you have to be conscious about it. There must be a limit set to maintain a healthy lifestyle. 
[53:32] Keto Flu 
  • Keto flu involves having cravings for food that you previously consumed. 
  • In the first phase, it's good to take MCT oil to help familiarise your body with the ketones. 
  • It's good to take lots of magnesium and potassium iIf you don't have any kidney problems. 
  • Some might experience side effects when starting the keto diet. These include nausea, changes in stomach acid, brain fog, sleep disturbance, and the like. 
  • Adapting to a keto diet decreases your insulin level that subsequently reduces your body water.  
[55:57] Fully Adapting to Keto
  • The side effects of the keto diet may last for a couple of days. However, you’ll feel a sudden boost of energy once you get over the keto flu. 
  • It’s not advisable to cycle in and out of keto. 
  • The best lifestyle decision you can make every day is on what’s the end of your fork. 
7 Powerful Quotes

[10:48] ‘When you consider the calories to be the cause of weight loss or gain, you're going down the wrong road. It's the effect of the foods you eat on your metabolism—in particular, I would argue, on your hormone balance and insulin.’ 

 

[23:07] ‘If you're insulin resistant, you become more inflamed and more obese. If you're more obese, you become more insulin resistant. So they make each other worse…eventually, it results in a state of poor metabolic health that will then manifest itself…as one of these chronic diseases.’ 

 

[24:05] ‘The thing is you're treating the symptom, not the disease. So the disease is at the cellular metabolic level.’ 

 

[27:00] ‘If you look at the people that are having bad COVID outcomes, those are people with poor metabolic health—that is absolutely known. So if we can improve the overall metabolic health of the public, we would reduce the burden on our hospitals again.’

 

[35:44] 'What happens is you put these stressors on your cells to change its metabolism and that turns the genes on.'

 

[40:32] 'So we're realising that the ketones don't just provide optimal health. They might actually even improve brain function over and above what you expect.'

 

[45:52] ‘Plants aren't there for good health. They're there to do whatever it is that makes the plant more successful.’

About Prof David Harper

Prof David Harper is a health educator, researcher, and technology CEO. He finished his Bachelor of Science and Doctorate in Mathematical biofluid dynamics from the University of British Columbia; and completed his post-doctoral fellowship in Comparative Physiology at the University of Cambridge.

 

He is an Associate Professor of Kinesiology at the University of the Fraser Valley and a visiting scientist at the BC Cancer Research Center, Terry Fox Laboratory. 

 

He is also a member of the scientific advisory board of the Canadian Clinicians for Therapeutic Nutrition and the Institute for Personalised Therapeutic Nutrition.

 

His current research interest focuses on the therapeutic benefits of ketogenic diets among women with metastatic breast cancer. Due to his passion for studying the impact of diet on our health, he recently launched his book called: BioDiet: The Ketogenic Way to Lose Weight and Improve Health.

 

You can contact David through his social media channels: LinkedIn and Twitter.

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[Replay] HOW TO RUN FASTER, BE STRONGER, RUN LONGER - Why the old high mileage model just isn't cutting it22 Feb 202200:21:21
  - Have you struggled to fit in training with your busy lifestyle?
- Maybe you are an absolute beginner and don't know where to start or perhaps you have done a few races but keep having motivation or injury troubles?   - Or maybe you have been running for years but the huge mileage you used to do is not bringing the results and you don't know why.   - Do you want to beat last years time or finish at the front of the pack?     Lisa and Neil discuss the facets of a good training system and how to apply them, what factors will give you longevity in the sport and how to avoid the most common pitfalls and mistakes.    Lisa and Neil share their backstory and what led them to co founding Running Hot Coaching.    They give insights into their back story, the mistakes they made, the lessons they learnt and the gems of wisdom discovered on the way.   With a combined 45 years experience running the worlds toughest endurance events and coaching hundreds of athletes from around the world Lisa and Neil have a wealth of experience and insights to share.  If you would like to find out more about our holistic run training system visit our info page at https://goto.runninghotcoaching.com/info We would like to thank our sponsors

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The Secret Longevity Supplements Tocotrienol And Geranylgeraniol With Dr Barrie Tan Part 113 Jun 202400:58:14

In this weeks episode, world renown Vitamin E researcher and also GG researcher, author and founder of American River Nutrition is today's illustrious guest, Dr Barrie Tan.


The information you will learn from todays episode - if you take it onboard, will indeed change your life, longevity and health for the better so this is a must listen to podcast with actionable insights and incredible clinical research behind it.

What you will learn: 

  • Who is Dr. Barrie Tan?.
  • What is Vitamin E - Tocotrienol?
  • What is GG?
  • What is the difference between tocotrienol and GG? 
  • What is the difference between tocotrienol and tocopherol?
  • Which annatto should you take?
  • What is the link between CoQ10 and statins and GG.
  • What is the link between GG and testosterone?
  • Why should you take MK-4 and GG?...

Tocotrienols roles in bone density

Tocotrienols roles in Non alcoholic fatty liver disease, pre diabetes, diabetes, cardiovascular disease

Tocotrienols role in fighting various cancer types

GG's role in bone density, muscle synthesis, coenzyme Q10 absorption and much much more.

website 
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Riverside Nutrition his manufacturing company - The research mentioned in this show is available at https://americanrivernutrition.com/

If you want to get GG, Tocotrienols or Coqnol (Coenzyme Q10 with GG), you can reach us out directly through our email support@lisatamati.com and we can organize that.


BIO

A scientist first and foremost, Dr. Tan earned his Ph.D. in chemistry/biochemistry from the University of Otago, New Zealand, and spent several years as a professor at UMass. Dr. Tan has committed himself to the research and development of phytonutrients — natural compounds found in plants that reduce and slow chronic disorders.

Dr. Barrie Tan is hailed as a trailblazer and the world's foremost expert on vitamin E, credited with discovering tocotrienol in three major natural sources and geranylgeraniol, an essential nutrient with implications for sports and active nutrition. A scientist first and foremost, Dr. Tan earned his Ph.D. in Chemistry/Biochemistry from the University of Otago, New Zealand and spent several years as a professor at UMass. Today, his research focuses on lipid-soluble nutrients that reduce and slow chronic conditions.

Dr. Tan is credited with discovering a form of vitamin E called tocotrienol from three major sources: palm, rice, and annatto — a natural dye and food coloring derived from the seeds of the achiote tree, known for its potential health benefits, including antioxidant and antimicrobial properties. Editor of two prestigious books on tocotrienol and founder of the International Tocotrienol Conference, Dr. Tan was dubbed the "Tocotrienol King" by Dr. Stephen Sinatra, a highly respected and sought-after cardiologist.

Dr. Tan has held roles of Chief Scientific Officer and Scientific Board Member for multinational organizations. His career includes periods working in association with the US Armed Forces and a Prince of Thailand. He has successfully launched multiple businesses in the nutrition industry and owns an array of patents and intellectual property, keeping him at the forefront of scientific innovation.

He is an internationally celebrated and sought-after speaker, having presented at multiple respected conferences in the field including; IFT, ADA, ASN, IHS, A4M, NPA, AACR, ICIM, IAOMT, and the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics.


Dr. Tan is currently the President of American River Nutrition, a natural health R&D company he started with his wife, Elizabeth, in 1998. Described as a scientific pioneer, his mission is simple: improve the everyday health of people's lives through the rigorous application of DeltaGold® – the first-ever tocopherol-free tocotrienol product extracted from annatto, and the most potent form of vitamin E in existence today.


As for links, we'd love to give people a free copy of his eBook The Truth About Vitamin E which can be found at https://barrietan.com/book/ using code: Pushing The Limits

 

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She is a qualified Ph360 Epigenetics coach and a clinician with The DNA Company and has done years of research into brain rehabilitation, neurodegenerative diseases and biohacking.

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Cancer Revolution: The Metabolic Approach to Cancer with Maggie and Brad Jones17 Feb 202200:58:04

Cancer is one of the most terrifying things to happen to anyone. Not only that, cancer treatments are always in a rush to remove tumours, making you think that this is the only way. Clinical practice is years behind clinical research, and there are now additional and alternative ways to boost your health and treat cancer.  

The research can be difficult to understand and read through, especially when you’re in the thick of cancer. Our guests today share their newest project — a documentary all about the metabolic approach to cancer with researchers and cancer thrivers all in one place!

In this episode, Maggie Jones shares how her experience with cancer became the inspiration for CanceRevolution. She credits both traditional therapy and metabolic therapy as the key to treating her condition and prolonging her life. Brad and Maggie hope that their documentary can reach people and spread the word about the metabolic approach. Don’t just blindly follow doctors who won’t have the time to do research for you. Instead, start taking ownership of your health! 

If you want to learn more about fighting cancer through the metabolic approach and the CanceRevolution documentary, then this episode is for you!

Here are three reasons why you should listen to the full episode:
  1. Discover how Maggie’s journey with cancer led her and her husband to work on the upcoming documentary, CanceRevolution.
  2. Learn about traditional radiation therapy and how incorporating the metabolic approach to cancer can help you!
  3. Find out how to take ownership of your health and stay disciplined even after beating cancer.
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My latest book Relentless chronicles the inspiring journey about how my mother and I defied the odds after an aneurysm left my mum Isobel with massive brain damage at age 74. The medical professionals told me there was absolutely no hope of any quality of life again. Still, I used every mindset tool, years of research and incredible tenacity to prove them wrong and bring my mother back to full health within three years. Get your copy here: https://shop.lisatamati.com/collections/books/products/relentless.

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NMN Bio offers a cutting edge Vitamin B3 derivative named NMN (beta Nicotinamide Mononucleotide) that can boost the levels of NAD+ in muscle tissue and liver. Take charge of your energy levels, focus, metabolism and overall health so you can live a happy, fulfilling life.

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Episode Highlights [04:00] Maggie’s Journey with Cancer
  • In 2018, Maggie was diagnosed with lung cancer and was told that she had less than a year to live. 
  • At first, Maggie accepted her fate, but she started to learn more about how she can help her body heal. 
  • She took up fasting, a ketogenic diet, organic foods, and metabolic treatments. A year after her diagnosis, she was cancer-free. 
  • While Maggie is not dealing with cancer anymore, she has been dealing with the effects of cancer medicine that was used on her. 
  • Cancer treatment often feels too rushed. It would be better to spread out treatments and lower their dosage. 
[08:27] How Maggie’s Cancer Affected Brad
  • Brad tried to hide how much Maggie’s cancer impacted him emotionally. 
  • At the same time, he felt that Maggie was strong enough to face and survive cancer. 
  • He learned all about metabolic treatments through Maggie and served as her reminder. 
  • Brad even started eating Maggie’s diet and fasted with her.
[12:13] How Fasting Can Help Before Treatments
  • Maggie used to think eating healthy was good. After a tumour surgery, she was vomiting and sweating.
  • However, she tried fasting before the surgery and found that she felt great after the procedure.
  • Fasting is known to be able to “close” normal cells while the cancer cells are still active and looking for energy.
  • When exposed to radiation, the cancer cells get more affected.
  • Clinical research takes around 17 years before becoming part of clinical practice.
[15:39] Genetics and Epigenetics
  • Combining hyperbaric therapy, a strict diet, and exogenous ketones can make a big difference. Yet, this practice is not common in cancer treatment. 
  • The industry focuses more on DNA, even though there have been more discoveries about biochemistry since then. 
  • Genetics and epigenetics are different. The former is about the genes themselves, while the latter looks at what turns the genes on and off. 
  • Our environment and behaviour affect the way our genes work.
  • Differentiation of cells is the true cause of aging.
[18:49] The Warburg Effect
  • Cancers can and will change their way of using energy. Even when oxygen is available, cancer cells use fermentation, which is not as efficient.
  • The Warburg effect is already a fact. What’s not being studied is why this is happening. 
  • There is the genetic theory where genes mutate and cause cell changes, while the other theory is the other way around. 
  • Cutting off the cancer cells’ food source is the start. This includes glucose, glutamine, and so much more. 
  • You can block cancer cell growth with diet, off label drugs, and specific protocols for specific cancers. Learn more about these in the full episode! 
[24:48] Why Starving Cancer Can Help 
  • The biggest criticism of starving cancer is that cancer cells can adapt to different metabolic pathways.
  • While starving cancer may not lead to curing it, it can help you buy time.
  • The drug protocols have lower side effects than traditional therapy and radiation surgery.
[25:48] How to Use Press Pulse 
  • Due to cancer’s adaptability, you can expect to change protocols every so often. 
  • Maggie shares that press pulse can be helpful. 
  • This is using a certain protocol first, then switching to something else once cancer adapts and eventually reintroducing the first protocol. 
[27:57] Always Be Vigilant 
  • Brad cautions people not to think they’re cured of cancer and go back to unhealthy foods and habits. 
  • We all have some cancer cells. Your immune system needs to be strong enough to fight against it.
  • Even if your cancer markers are gone, retaining a ketogenic diet can still be helpful.
  • Exogenous ketones are not fermentable as a food source for cancer. 
[33:05] Maggie and Brad’s Documentary, CanceRevolution
  • Maggie and Brad’s documentary about cancer includes guests who are at the forefront of cancer research and people who have experienced cancer.
  • The documentary is still a work in progress. Donations are highly appreciated.
  • This is all about sharing the metabolic approach to cancer and understanding how cancer works.
  • In the medical profession, doctors can lose their license if they go all-in on the metabolic approach, even if it has been proven effective.
  • The profession has shown that money drives what is promoted or not. Thus, we need to be proactive and take ownership of our health.
[42:36] Take Ownership of Your Health
  • While somatic mutation, genetic theory, and metabolic theory are not yet proven, technologies can be built around it to prove it.
  • For example, the PET scan is a cancer diagnostics tool based on the Warburg Effect. 
  • As a patient, you have to be your own advocate and not just blindly listen to doctors. Read books and clinical research. 
  • Remember that you’re in control of your body. 
7 Powerful Quotes 

[9:18] “When, we were together, I just always had this feeling that she was going to make it through. I don't know why, but I was just like — I knew my wife. I knew how strong she was. And if anyone is going to fight this disease, it's her.” — Bradley 

 

[25:05] “I was given the six to eight months to live. My starving cancer bought me another three years of life. This is time to address the next pathway when it comes up and to wait for the next conventional therapy that might help me and all the new research that's coming out. Though it's not going to cure your cancer, it's going to buy you time and buy you incredible quality of life.” — Maggie 

 

[28:30] “It's really hard to be completely cured. Your cancer is always somewhere. We all have some. My immune system is holding its own, whilst Maggie’s wasn’t. That's basically what happened is her immune system couldn't fight it off anymore.” — Bradley

 

[32:21] “So having these exogenous ketones can really help just for athletes, as well as cancer patients, but it's really — it's teaching your body to be metabolically flexible.” — Lisa

 

[34:12] “...she's [Dr Nasha Winters] lived such a powerful life helping others. She was diagnosed too late in her progression to ever receive chemotherapy. And I think that's really what we can all strive for is even if scans aren’t perfect, you can still live such a long, full life and don't give up hope.” — Maggie 

 

[49:32] “One of the things that Maggie and I tell try and tell everyone is you have to be — as a patient, you have to be your own advocate. Do not just listen to what your doctor is saying — your oncologist or any doctor. They only meet with you for a half hour, right? Like Maggie sees her oncologist for like about a half hour once every three months.” — Bradley

 

[55:11] “I'm not unlucky. There are very clear therapeutic things that I can do, that I did to get cancer, that I can do to get out of it. And we need to promote this message of you're in control of your medical destiny. Don't just listen to somebody else who tells you it's a lost cause.” — Maggie

Resources About Maggie and Brad Jones

Maggie Jones has over 20 years of media experience and is currently the Vice President of Newsrooms Systems for South China Morning Post and Vice President of Product for Tribune Publishing and the Los Angeles Times. She is also the founder of Jones Wellness, LLC, a content creation, marketing, and consulting firm in the wellness and nutrition space. In addition, she is a stage 4 cancer thriver who credits metabolic therapy and conventional targeted therapy in prolonging her life. 

Brad Jones has over 20 years of filmmaking experience and is the Executive Producer of Jones Wellness, LLC. He has edited films, from a Peabody Award-winning documentary to the highest-rated shows on MTV and CMT and has spent over a decade working at the Sundance Film Lab and Festival. 

Know more and support their upcoming documentary, CanceRevolution!  

You can also connect with Brad on his website, LinkedIn, Twitter, and Instagram. Connect with Maggie on LinkedIn.

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Evolution and Carbohydrates in Our Diet and Exercise with Professor Tim Noakes10 Feb 202200:54:00

The key to living a long and happy life is taking care of your body. Regular exercise and a proper diet contribute significantly to your overall health. That’s why it’s essential to learn about nutrients such as carbohydrates, protein, and fats to identify the type of food that your body needs. With the proper diet and exercise, you will find yourself feeling better, stronger, and faster than ever.

Joining us in this episode of Pushing the Limits is Professor Tim Noakes, a published author and researcher of science. He shares his realisations about the effects of a high-carbohydrate diet and how lessening it can improve performance and health. He also discusses the importance of drinking water when you’re physically active. Through his research, Professor Noakes has changed many people's approaches towards their diet. 

If you want to learn more about how you can strengthen your body and live healthily, this episode is for you! 

Here are three reasons why you should listen to the full episode:
  1. Find out how humans have evolved and adapted throughout the years.  
  2. Discover the best diet for you according to Professor Noakes’ guidelines.
  3. Learn why you should avoid overdrinking and how your body knows best when it comes to water.
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Have you struggled to fit in training in your busy life? Maybe you don't know where to start, or perhaps you have done a few races but keep having motivation or injury troubles?

Do you want to beat last year’s time or finish at the front of the pack? Want to run your first 5-km or run a 100-miler?

​​Do you want a holistic programme that is personalised & customised to your ability, goals, and lifestyle? 

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Are you struggling with a health issue and need people who look outside the square and are connected to some of the greatest science and health minds in the world? Then reach out to us at support@lisatamati.com, we can jump on a call to see if we are a good fit for you.

If you have a big challenge ahead, are dealing with adversity or want to take your performance to the next level and want to learn how to increase your mental toughness, emotional resilience, foundational health, and more, contact us at support@lisatamati.com.

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My latest book Relentless chronicles the inspiring journey about how my mother and I defied the odds after an aneurysm left my mum Isobel with massive brain damage at age 74. The medical professionals told me there was absolutely no hope of any quality of life again. Still, I used every mindset tool, years of research and incredible tenacity to prove them wrong and bring my mother back to full health within three years. Get your copy here: https://shop.lisatamati.com/collections/books/products/relentless.

For my other two best-selling books Running Hot and Running to Extremes, chronicling my ultrarunning adventures and expeditions all around the world, go to https://shop.lisatamati.com/collections/books.

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NMN: Nicotinamide Mononucleotide, an NAD+ precursor

Feel Healthier and Younger*

Researchers have found that Nicotinamide Adenine Dinucleotide or NAD+, a master regulator of metabolism and a molecule essential for the functionality of all human cells, is being dramatically decreased over time.

What is NMN?

NMN Bio offers a cutting edge Vitamin B3 derivative named NMN (beta Nicotinamide Mononucleotide) that can boost the levels of NAD+ in muscle tissue and liver. Take charge of your energy levels, focus, metabolism and overall health so you can live a happy, fulfilling life.

Founded by scientists, NMN Bio offers supplements of the highest purity and rigorously tested by an independent, third-party lab. Start your cellular rejuvenation journey today.

Support Your Healthy Ageing

We offer powerful third-party tested NAD+ boosting supplements so you can start your healthy ageing journey today.

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Episode Highlights [03:09] Professor Noakes’ Career
  • Professor Noakes went to medical school before shifting to research and science. 
  • He started writing the Lore of Running for the public, which is currently ongoing with its fifth revision. 
  • Originally a supporter of the high-carbohydrate diet, he realised he was giving the wrong dietary advice after struggling with Type II Diabetes.
  • He lost funding from his university due to this realisation but won the case in court using well-proven science.
  • With his research, he now teaches the proper management of diabetes.
[07:50] Against the Food Industry
  • Professor Noakes lost funding from a company in the food industry after he stopped promoting their grain-based diet. 
  • He was sued for his book, Waterlogged, because it went against the sports drink industry. 
[12:30] The Pressure from the Academe 
  • Academic mobbing is the pressure to quit your academic work.
  • Professionals such as deans and professors went against Prof Noakes. 
  • Professor Noakes chose research and science because of the toxic environment in the field of medicine.
  • The academic and medical profession is brutal, with long work hours and debt.
[15:39] Diet Guidelines
  • Professor Noakes recommends eating based on what humans have evolved to eat.
  • Historically, humans have hunted big animals and turned to agriculture for food.
  • While reasonably healthy, vegetarian diets can be expensive and require highly refined food.
  • He advises eating non-processed and animal-based food.
[19:17] The Human’s Digestive Evolution
  • The human diet used to be mainly animal produce. Carbohydrates were only eaten during shortages.
  • It isn’t easy to adapt from an animal-based, high-fat diet to a high-grain diet in a short period. 
  • Gorillas have certain digestive mechanisms that can break down carbohydrates into fat.
  • Humanity’s evolution as hunters resulted in a shorter bowel that is ideal for eating animal produce.
[23:47] On Long-Distance Running
  • Running is not a sustainable activity to bring into older age.
  • Orthopedic problems can develop, especially after decades. It is not an ideal long-term activity.
[26:22] Weight Control
  • Removing carbohydrates helped Professor Noakes control his weight.
  • He also found amazing benefits from his biweekly CrossFit sessions complemented with running.
  • Now, he has more muscle mass and better flexibility than before. 
[30:52] Professor Noakes’ Writing
  • Professor Noakes is rewriting the Lore of Running to debunk myths and misconceptions.
  • He is also working on an article about eating before or after exercise.
  • He recently discovered the reason why carbohydrates are necessary for exercise.
  • Regardless of your diet, avoiding hypoglycemia during exercise is the main goal.
[37:05] Preventing Cancer Through Diet
  • The low-carb, high-fat diet is ideal for preventing cancer.
  • Insulin resistance, which can develop from a long-term high-carb diet, underlies most cancers.
[40:30] Busting Myths 
  • The central government theory is true.
  • Reduction of exercise performance to reduce lactate and glycogen is a myth.
  • Measuring oxygen consumption and glycogen muscle storage is unimportant.
  • His friend once subscribed to a high-carb diet before switching to low carbs. His running greatly improved.
  • Dave Scott, a well-known athlete, has also seen improvements after changing his diet.
[45:39] What to Drink When Running
  • Homeostatic regulation allows you to determine if you need to drink more to keep normal sodium levels.
  • Drinking too much water can cause hyponatremia, which is when your sodium levels drop, causing brain swelling and reduced brain blood flow.
  • A genetic defect causing the oversecretion of hormones can cause you to drink too much.
  • It is best for marathon runners to drink only when they feel thirsty.
  • Dehydration is not a medical condition. Your body can maintain normal levels as long as you drink when needed.
7 Powerful Quotes

[17:02] ‘The answer is we got to go back to eating what the Maoris were eating, or the Australian Aborigines. [T]hey were eating fish and other foods from the land.’ — Professor Tim Noakes 

[21:34] ‘We’re designed to eat animal produce, which is digested in the small bowel. That's how we evolved, and that allowed us to get our hips to narrow. That allowed us to start running because our knees came closer together; we could run more effectively. And then we became bigger hunters. And that then helped us evolve further.’ — Professor Tim Noakes

[26:07] ‘I do a lot of strength work and yoga and things like that to balance things out. I feel a ton healthier — day and night healthy. I can manage my weight much better. I was fatter when I was running the distances.’ — Lisa Tamati

[28:26] ‘I do an hour or two twice a week, and it's 40 minutes really odd but really, really odd. Then I came to complement that with some running, but that's what I need. I've bulked up. I've put on five kilograms of muscle at the age of 72. I'm lifting weights that I could never even consider when I was younger.’ — Professor Tim Noakes

[29:40] ‘I was having spasms 10 times a day. Then I started doing CrossFit and I worked my way up. Now it’s been years without a single spasm. I do not have back pain and I have a very, very strong core. And I work on the core and I maintain it because the back injury is still there but I don't have any issues.’ — Lisa Tamati

[44:41] ‘He wrote to me about four years ago and says to me, “I've just read your book, and I changed my diet.” And he said, “I wish I'd been eating this diet all my life.”’— Professor Tim Noakes

[49:28] ‘You don't need to be told when to drink. Your body will tell you when to drink. So you just drink to thirst, and that's absolutely what is the case. You drink to thirst, and you'll be fine.’ — Professor Tim Noakes

About Professor Noakes

Professor Tim Noakes is an author and researcher focusing on sports and exercise science. Alongside Morné du Plessis, he helped found the Sports Science Institute of South Africa. There, they expanded the limits of research for sports science and encouraged interest in the field. 

Professor Noakes’ book, Lore of Running, is often considered the bible of running. His other book, Waterlogged, talks about his research on exercise-associated hyponatremia. Professor Noakes has published over 750 scientific books and articles and has won multiple awards for his contributions to sports science. 

Learn more about Professor Tim Noakes by visiting The Noakes Foundation. You can also connect with him on Twitter and Facebook.

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The Pros And Cons Of Ultramarathon Running08 Feb 202200:33:51

Everyone knows Lisa loves Ultramarathon running and with a career in extreme sports spanning 25 years she's knows a thing or two about the good side and the not so good side to the sport and shares in this candid podcast all the pros, the benefits to mind and body but also the much less talked about downsides and risks so you can mitigate those and have fun on the trails, mountains, roads and deserts.

 

Ultramarathon running Pros & Cons Timestamp:

 

Pros 

0:44 Telemers, longevity, flow

8:00 The mental side of ultramarathon

12:50 Ancestral aspect

14:25 Average age is high

16:02 why women excel in ultra running

17:15 Teaches us to face fear & anxiety

18:20 Community

 

Cons

19:32 can be dangerous & Time-consuming

22:00 body damage 

23:30 Burnout 

24:30 Stress

27:11 Injuries

29:13 burning muscle mass

31:15 lung situation

 

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Speaker 1: (00:00)
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Speaker 2: (01:03)
But generally speaking, you're going to be better. You're going to have better of cardiovascular health who are going to have no a BMI usually. So you would lose weight through doing distance running. It's also good for your, we have a lower incidence of stroke. We have a lower incidence of heart disease. We have a lower incidence. Even off came some when we flew out to marathons regularly. It slows down the aging process to some degree. In fact, one of the interesting statistics that came up and one of the studies that are made was that your telling me is I lengthened by on average and leaving the scene. Now you might be thinking, what the hell it's telling me is that I did a whole podcast on telling me is I've got a show called pushing the limits. I'll give you a small plug for that.

Speaker 2: (01:57)
And I had a world's leading experience on anti aging on podcasts who also happens to be an ultra marathon runner. That's how I know him Dr Bill Andrews and he is an expert in Telomeres which are the  little caps at the end of your DNA. And as they replicate and the cells replicate themselves throughout life, these get shorter and shorter and shorter. And this is what dictates the length of our lives basically. And so ultra marathon runners t on average have 11% longer telomeres, which equates to around 16 years of lifespan on average.  That's a massive, massive difference and a good reason to be doing ultra marathon running. Okay. So you're going to have long been telling me is going to have good cardiovascular health, you're going to have a lower incidence of stroke, lower incidents of cancer. And these are all based on studies.

Speaker 2: (02:53)
I won't cite all the studies here cause it would just be boring. But if you want to go out and do the research, you can find these studies as well. Now one of the other pros, just besides that, well, you also got to have the advantage of mental, more mental strength. So there's a couple of aspects. Look at this. From a running perspective, many, many ultra marathon Manas would tell you that ultra marathon running has saved them from depression, from mental health issues. That helps them overcome a whole lot of, certainly was a lifesaver for me. I dealt with depression for many, many years and ultra marathon running really pulled me out of it. Now why doesn't do that? Well, number one, being outside in nature hesitancy the spirits, it's good for the soul. It's helps you. We actually either, I think it's about an NC three that we were out in nature a whole lot boards.

Speaker 2: (03:57)
So when you're out doing ultra marathons and training for marathons who are naturally outside, you're getting your sunshine, vitamin D, you're giving up your endorphins as well the net whole times, and they're actually helping make the actually feel beat up. So for mental health, I think ultra marathon running is a really, really one of the, one of the big pros of that and helps us feel better physically and mentally and helps the, our hormones and so on. Now I will go over in the constitution, how will you do too much in the negative effects it can have on that. But when I'm doing all the parts, all right, it can also help you get into a flow state. So I read a really good book called stealing fire and it was all about how do you get yourself in the flow state, in your flow state and state.

Speaker 2: (04:49)
Stay with me. Occasionally get into when you're in a really creative space or when things are really rolling really well. And in the running world, this some site is called the violence tie. When you're actually floating here, we've gone through all the Hubstaff in a spice where it's just absolutely amazing, freezing along and just loving life. It's feeling powerful and strong and like one forever. Now that is low state and you can get into flow state when you're being creative assets, making jewelry. Like I do that also in money and this is a very hot and state. We you know, a lot of advances are highly recommend reading that book, stealing fire. We want to know a little bit about that and the runner's high all of that sort of good stuff. So you're gonna also have on average a lower BMI. You going to bet on your body.

Speaker 2: (05:41)
And this is a very good thing. I'll go into the negative sides, how it things muscle a little bit later and slowing down the aging that the telling me is, it also helps you have stronger bones. So contrary to popular belief, a lot of people come and to me, but you're going to Ricky joints running and I'm like, no, you're not going to join running. And lease you have a very, very poor running style. Yes, you could be doing some damage and great mostly. And if you've got, you know, something physically wrong, let's say we'll pose you or one foot longer than the other or those sorts of things, that's for the general average person. You're not going to Ricky points running ultra marathons. Ultra marathons are also usually done in a very sedate pace, not sprinting because for so long and so there's least impact.

Speaker 2: (06:33)
So high impact sports where you're changing direction and doing that sort of thing usually ends up with more Dwayne and breeds. Then ultra marathon moneymoon actually was going along nice and slowly. Now when you are doing the short chaps or the sports like netball or tennis for you ask, stop and start, you actually create stronger bones then runs through runners. If you take a cross section of the bones and nations for example, our action strong work and doing those spots that pop to things that for things like your knees, your hips, you're not actually going to do a heck of a lot of chem. It's some Jasper anything along in a very nice today pace. And so as an ultra marathon man and that if you're doing sprints in your or they'd run out and that can be a little bit different because you're putting a lot more load through the body, but generally you're going to have stronger bones.

Speaker 2: (07:27)
So the old method that you're going to wear your joints out and all that sort of thing is in my opinion, a myth. And I'll front I of a 70,000 case and sit by my knees and my, my hips and everything is good, touch wood. And basically my, my take on that is that no life's bad yet and you've been we're out or rushed out. So the Muslim we'd sell know you're gonna do it. And there are ways and what we do at running hot coaching is to try to spring from your body so that you don't have as much fear and tear so that you're running correctly, that you're having good planning technique and all of those sorts of parts because as well, now going back to the whole meeting side of it, ultra marathon runners tend to be very focused, very high achieving people, people with a type a personalities and sit themselves.

Speaker 2: (08:15)
Big goals. Now I don't know what comes first, the chicken or the belts marathon or having this type of thing, senility, but on average the marathon is a very focused, a high achieving people so that the tops, even one on one floor because they're going to be hitting job done. We're very good at gold seating. And we're very good at overcoming obstacles now, ultra marathon running. And to know it takes a long time. It takes massive amount of discipline. It requires sacrifice. It requires that you can push through pain, never sometimes you boredom, you have to go through all and you have to understand the whole risk of what I'm doing for. So there are lot of skills that you learn along the way as an ultra marathon runner that can really benefit every other aspect of your life. In fact, this is what my, my, what my bread and butter is, is going in talking to corporates and doing motivational speaking and talking about the benefits that you get when we push outside the comfort zone.

Speaker 2: (09:23)
You bring something like ultramarathons and it's not just there, but and how you can apply those lessons into dining life. Now if any of you know me know my story with my mum and if I had been an ultra marathon runner, I don't think I would have had, I know I wouldn't have had the skills to be able to fight through all the obstacles that we faced. The fear and bringing her back to full health again. And so I'm a real proponent on the power of all of those things that you learned while pushing the limits that will help you in life. And on that note, I've got mum's book, I've just finished writing mum's book. It's now at formatting stage and it will be being released in March, 2020. The book was called relentless and it's telling the story of what I did and how I want my mum back from being in the, not much over a vegetative state to being full back into life fully and the payment, driver's license, everything and the journey that we need bond, there's a lot of mindset stuff with a lot of personal development.

Speaker 2: (10:29)
There's a lot of toughness. It's always have lots of stories from the running because that sort of illustrates a lot of these points. So from a legal point of view, the students that you will learn and you're pushing the stuff that they wrote from their phones, I've gone to benefit for everything in your life, whether it's or you know, corporate job or whether it's new studying for something or you're just your editor or your business, you'll be able to push through barriers and keep going. You learn persistence, you learn discipline, you learn to overcome obstacles. You learn to think outside the square. You learned to deal with fear and keep moving anyway. You learn to work for massive fatigue and pain and keep going and just doing so many great things. And that fire, he liked that of going for an ultra marathon who stained you in really good state for everything in life.

Speaker 2: (11:22)
Now, on average, a ultra marathon runners also have less sick ties. So from an employer's perspective, these are the guys you want to be blind because they're going to have nice time off, especially as I get older this time off for my medical problems. And they States [inaudible] statistical fact from studies that have been done. So another good breeze. Now another one is confidence. The men, a confidence that you're going to get when you push yourself and you overcome obstacles to achieve an ultramarathon, then who are going to have a lot more confidence or anything that you're going to be facing a lot now doing ultra-marathons typically they are in places that are beautiful, amazing off the beaten track. I mean, I've had the privilege of running now raising prices around the world. I've done a 2000 cases to hire of the Moroccans to Howard's tossed the museum, the Arabian visit, the Olympian [inaudible], Jordan Gobi desert, fifth Valley and USA different paths in the Outback of Australia, the Indian Himalayas, hip laced Himalayas, you know, and build on the forest.

Speaker 2: (12:31)
So you know, these, these races typically run in some pretty out the special places where you get to experience different cultures and experience itself in these different functions, in a different environment and pushing your limits. So stuff that you learned there is also super, super valuable from an institutional point of view. I truly believe that we are born to run this. My good friend Chris McDougall's book born to onesies. We are born around this. This is what our ancestors have done throughout millennia is moved. Well, we'll run long distances every single day. And that's what keeps us healthy and strong. And we are very good at that. We back in the caveman days, we were doing consistent hunting when we would at run out pray. So this has a long, long history. It's not just Monday mean woman out the influence of marathons. This has history to it.

Speaker 2: (13:32)
Since what we've done. In fact, I've tried to get off the ground a TV series called run the planet. A friend of mine and we tried it. We ended up doing islet for the series and the Outback of Australia reenacting an Aboriginal median of the prime. And that was just one of the stories that we uncovered. We uncovered all these phones all around the world, different tribes that were proof that as humans, we've always done this long visit stuff. I mean, if you've read, born to run, if you haven't must go on, we bet book as well. That's more about the Tarahumara and the insulin non for their insurance Bates. So this really goes back to now and since from way of being and I think it's, you know, part of the reason why we, we do so well in the sport now the other exists, you don't have to be 20 years old, be successful in this sport.

Speaker 2: (14:35)
You don't, your life isn't over. It's 25. In fact, an ultra marathon running the average age is about 42 for ultra marathon manners. The average age of the first time ultrarunners is 30 sect. Your endurance apparently doesn't pick around, 48 and from there on it's only a very slow decline. So a 19 year old and a 64 year old are currently on the same Naval and there's lots of sets that I've come up with. These are from different studies, as I said. So it's the sort of thing Excel at later on life. And you also will find that the more experience that you have, the baby you will become. So it's not just about things, but physically it's very much about having experienced by some different situations and different difficulties from having the ability to overcome those affect, make seeds.

Speaker 2: (15:34)
So age doesn't have to be a barrier in ultra marathon money, which it is for most sports. Let's be honest. You can't be a professional rugby player at the age of the new can't, you know, I don't know the top of your game and netball, you know, later on in life you have to have done it early days. Certainly the things that gymnastics and so on, they'd say it's young person's fault, but this is really a sport. The people that sell in experience counts. Another great thing I think is that woman did particularly well and ultra marathon running because it's statistically Minnesota better than us over the other, the, you know, distances. But the longer the distance that, the closer that gets. And certainly in some of the biggest vices in the world, a woman has been on the top of the podium. Many fonts.

Speaker 2: (16:24)
So there's not that much difference. The plane, the sixes as there is most sports, Europe comes down to muscle, out of spring or all out speed because ultra marathoning is really more about what's up here and how come we have a, it's women. We have a I've read some studies that we have a beta ability to bring, set then advised on average. I don't know what the latest studies are on that, but it does seem in my experience of running all around the world and seeing Hogan and muse license we often would close to the top if not at the top. And I'm diff Valley for a couple of times, a woman's field top of the podium. And so it's quite exciting. Sort of labels out the the differences in the sixes and the different sense. And it also teaches you the overcome fears.

Speaker 2: (17:20)
I think this is one of the biggest advances in say we have fear every day in our lives and move by some difficult situations and huge amount of change and transformation that we're going through as a society. And learning to deal with Thea and function anyway isn't really good thing. And you do have fears when are doing out cause suspicion. If you're doing in bang like item fuck, I've done a lot of them. Or if you're running through the night in the middle of the mountain or somewhere on your own, same theory. You know, so you learn to function with that. It can also lower your anxiety if you're out wounding up cortisol and well it's not completely true. Do smell cortisol when you're actually training, but on average it no is more anxiety because we'd go outside and stuff. Okay.

Speaker 2: (18:15)
So those are all of the pros that I've come up with for ultra marathon money and four, there's a whole lot more. Another great thing is that you belong to a pretty expensive corporate people. You know, it's only like 0.0 is there. 0.1% of the population or whatever it is that actually does ultramarathons and certainly in the longer ultra-marathons. So you know, for the paddle and the social aspect because I'm so not to be underestimated, typically in not marathoning. It's not just about the winners and it's not just about winning, it's about overcoming the self and overcoming the obstacles and human nature. It's not all for most of us, it's not about being at the top of the podium. And that's not the number one thing that people cite when they were made set out to do marathon. And it isn't even worth that time.

Speaker 2: (19:08)
It's not like marathon running where it's all about what's fun to do, doing on the three hours, one to four hours or whatever you about Aaron. It's all very, you know, a measuring contest. It's not so much the same as we've certainly in trial visits. It's far more about finding out what you're made of in becoming stronger doing it. So it meets only out to some of the cons of it. This is bad. This is all running out marathons or the dangers of funny marathons. Socially, some of these are run very dangerous places. Like I said I had some pretty scary times and some of those pieces between the Sahara and Egypt and Niger, Jordan and places that were, you know, pretty dodgy. Not only from a nature to speak of but also from the people and going from bull zones and stuff like that.

Speaker 2: (20:03)
Okay. So whoever don't know phone, but we do put ourselves in dangerous situations. Sometimes we might be running for mountains in the middle of the night and what the alone. So there is an element of danger a lot on it as a, you know, the draw card of this, but it is possible just bonded. The next thing for disadvantages on say would be like sacrificing hell of a lot of time in the, in your life to do an ultra marathon. Even though like we money coaching and coaching can speak of and not high mileage poachers. So we try to keep the time commitment within reason to prepare for marathons. And we probably have spring training and Emma ability training and the nutrition and the mindset is part of all that echoed. However, it's still a relatively based in this sort of to prepare well for an ultra marathon.

Speaker 2: (21:05)
In this means sacrificing time with your loved ones, your children, your partner, your business, your life. You know, it goes on bold when you're appearing for something scary rights. And that followed back over my life. I probably asked a lot of of my, you know, my husband or my, my parents certainly and my friends to, you know, put up with the fact that I'm not really available for them cause I'm off funding some ridiculous thing every day. So there is a real big sacrifice and that's something that, you know, the last couple of years I couldn't do, I had to reborrow my life with mum being so ill and with business and you know, you can't always commit to that level of dedication that doesn't require it. Makes it difficult okay. So what are some of the other stuff right from a, from a health speak though?

Speaker 2: (22:01)
I'll tell you some of the, the, the health issues that I've come across. And these may or may not affect you. And I've done some pretty extreme things to my body. So, you know, take this with a grain of salt doing it. Okay. You're not going to have a lot of dates, but you can get problems with your kidneys. So rhabdomyolysis is a very common problem among salt marathon one. So this is where your body starts to break down. It's muscle proteins and if the crystals get pumped up into your kidneys, and this can cause kidney damage. Now this is usually temporary but rhabdomyolysis and something that needs to type seriously with new set to say like pockets and fluid and you're getting a little Tommy, you would normally wouldn't. And you're racing in. It could be that your kidneys are having a hard time keeping up with the breakdown of the muscles that's happening.

Speaker 2: (22:58)
So kidney damage is a, is a, it's a real problem, especially if you're also running dehydrated and they looked spray me hot climates. That's what I specialized in. And I had read the Milo's this dozens of times in my life and I have kidney problems. One of the reasons why I'm not doing anything don't really want to end up on dialysis and they're not near that yet. But if I want to have longevity, the net is something that has made two problems. Another problem that I ran into is burnout and adrenal exhaustion. So I have made the trouble with my HPA access to hyper cell on that three adrenal exes. My cortisol levels are got out from the amount of stress that I've put my body and my mind through the life. So not just ultra running, but we've had a big play crushing the absolute boundaries of time.

Speaker 2: (24:00)
And this is had other knock on effects for my house that can't hundred percent par light, but I believe it's contributed to a lot of the problems that I've got. So burnout is a real problem. Cortisol As a problem. Cortisol cortisol Titans, cortisol graph of, of what your cortisol is doing during the day. We can do this for we could save it. That's not good. And cortisol is the responsible for so many things in their life and their body. So we need our bodies on the streets for example. They, we are shutting down our immune system. We're not shutting it down, but we have definitely hindering our immune system. We are hindering out by distance systems so we can end up with just the problems and we could get sick and we're opening the door to lots of problems and possible diseases cause we are on the streets and since threes we either it comes in the form of maintenance freeze or from running marathons or from a emotional stress, from relationships and so on.

Speaker 2: (25:10)
All of these things, you have a stress bucket and if you're putting too much into it and ultra marathon training, aid running is a big part of that story slowed. So if you have a very bad express job and would have very hot and streets relationship and children and men, you've gone from marathon money on top of that, you can overload your bucket and you can in that major trap. Trouble. Health wise you can stress is the number one killer in the world. Okay, so in something that needs to be taken into consideration, exercise is a form of stress for your body. It's a form of stress that when we are not overloaded with other thoughts and sprays that we say good for us and causes us to adapt and change to get stronger. However, if you are overdoing it over, over committing more resources to the training thing, stress can be very, very big for meaningful to every health system in your body, from your hormones, for your adrenalin's, your cortisol, straighten your heart through United that it your budgets and system, your immune system.

Speaker 2: (26:18)
As I say, all of these affect us can be effective and that's one of the reasons why running hot coat thing, we had something called a wellness cheek, which is, it's a simple little spreadsheet that we liked to get our athletes to fill out every day to see where they're sitting. On a span of one to 10, how would your sleep, how was your experience with those? How were your injuries? And we have a homeless. The things that they go through and if they very low scores, they will pull them back on the train and if they have very high scores in, they can go for it. You can also do this with heart rate variability. If you've got a access to a monitors that will check your heart rate, your ability and we'll give you sort of similar feedback. So whether you use the analog or about thinking outage that doesn't something that we need to keep an eye on.

Speaker 2: (27:06)
The total stress. So don't get into overtraining. I mean, of course another negative effect is possible injuries, whether that's, you know, breaking language or fell over or twisting your ankle or hitting overused injuries. We'd have problems with amazement, MEPS in the back or these things. And a lot of this chain be mitigated, can't be rolled out obviously, but can be mitigated like doing run specific spring training and training. And that's what we're really big on the spring training for Latinas. It's not cross training, it is running frame. It's a part of running frame. Need to be doing a strength boot that needs strong hips, needs, strong core, we need strong alphabet needs, strong quads. And all of these things have a, a real one to one correlation with how many injuries you will face over your lifetime. So strength training is a really important aspect for that end, so as mobility, but it's strictly a straight thing.

Speaker 2: (28:02)
Your [inaudible] yoga, your myofacial release message, find Molly or those things don't complete those aspects. We were really big on those and making sure that you're doing those and don't run into these injury problems. And things like yoga can really calm the body down and get you into a parasympathetic state. So this means that you actually lowering the splits, lowering for the sole release and best for really benefit you as well. So it's about balancing them out. So meditation, deep breathing exercises, yoga or these things help balance out the running training. So running planning is a sympathetic activity, meaning it's texting the sympathetic nervous system. It's not parasympathetic, it's not meditation, it's not slowing income down. It's doing the opposite. So sometimes the need to balance that out with, with doing that mobility with doing things like meditation and the breathing and just lowering what's gained those crystals.

Speaker 2: (29:11)
And so overall street school one of the things that ultra marathon money or negative part of it is that it's a catabolic activity by nature, which means it is eating your muscles slowly and doing an ultra, a really long rope trust. They have the motto blot be earning a hell of a lot of Massimo's which is bad for your kidneys but also bad for your musculoskeletal system. And so we need to counteract that with spring training so that you don't end up losing muscle mass and see a lot of older runners especially who look like, you know, beef jerky for the one that I've been away. Very, very thin, very low B in mind, but also very low muscle nays and we don't, it is not good. It is better from a cardiovascular point of view and a B in my point of view.

Speaker 2: (30:06)
And it's not great from a muscle. We need muscles. We need strength. And we made these aspects to, to keep them strong. We don't want bowl, but we do want strong, you know, strong and muscles that can help us stay up white when we're running on times that helps out this out some of the other sorts of things. So that's, that's that side of it. The catabolic problems. You can also have some basic things happen to like problems with your eyes and you're always outside running and Bri wouldn't be fine. That's, I'm seeing quite a few iron injuries. Sleep deprivation and you're running through days doing outros and even in the training they sleep, trying to fit into your life plus training. So these are negative things. Sleep is just absolutely virtual. Obviously when you're doing an ultra marathon, you in the middle of a under model or a 200 K or what even moved on to have sleep deprivation and you're gonna be completely Gaga.

Speaker 2: (31:07)
But if in daily life at least can try and given an adequate amount of our slate. Another thing that we have more of is, is math on manners is upper respiratory ailments. So we are more like asthma, we're more likely to have exercise and boots. Asthma, we're likely to have hay fever and allergies cause we're using our lives a lot. We're breathing hard out and so we need to be aware of those and we're not the thing that it's since I've begged for, and I have this on advice from my midwife that it can be quite bad for the pelvic floor for women. And I don't know all the details of that, but we can have problems. So running super long distance, not great for the public form. We need to camp right fit once, gave with some strength exercises typically during outfits and also quite often face things like hitting the wall and nausea and vomiting and distant tree.

Speaker 2: (32:09)
It's a very glamorous sport. This one. And those are things that people typically passed pretty quickly, but very unpleasant in the moment. And Kim, we ruin your eyes. It's that bad. So I hope I've covered a lot of ground today. Talk flat stick that all the pros and the cons. And I've got two pages here that I've written notes of and I'll tell you what is twice as many pros as there is cons. So just remember that there is some, there, there is some things that you need to be aware of and mitigate. There's also massive amounts of things that are really, really beneficial. So if you've liked this a little sessions today, please give us Amin. I've left a five star rating on iTunes. These little things really help content producers like me, get our word out and get known for what, what you're teaching.

Speaker 2: (33:03)
So all of that help us. Really, really appreciate it guys. So thanks for listening today. If you've brought any questions, please reach out to me. I'd love to talk to you about your running that, your health fitness about hormones. We do a whole lot of health pissing at running hot potions and we're not strictly one coaches and also health coaches. We also do genetic testing and we also have mindset mindset Academy. So if you are interested in any of those sorts of things, please let me know, right guys, thanks very much for your time today and we'll see you.

Speaker 1: (33:34)
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Marathon Des Sables 2021: Run Your Best in an Ultramarathon with Hazel Harrison03 Feb 202201:00:42

Marathon des Sables, also known as MdS or the Sahara Marathon, is a seven-day ultramarathon of 250 kilometres in the Sahara Desert. It’s one of the toughest foot races, and its 2021 edition is considered the toughest with around a 50% dropout!

In this episode, Hazel Harrison joins us to recount her experience leading to and during the marathon. Ultramarathons are already tough, but with people coming out of lockdowns, it became even more challenging! Hazel shares her success was in being able to ask for help, staying resilient and learning to listen to her body.

If you want to learn more about running your best in an ultramarathon, then this episode is for you!

 

Here are three reasons why you should listen to the full episode:
  1. Discover Hazel’s journey to the Marathon de Sables and how she stayed firm in her decision despite the cancellations.
  2. Understand how the marathon was even more challenging since it took place during a pandemic.
  3. Learn valuable lessons from Hazel’s Marathon de Sables experience!

 

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Resources Episode Highlights [01:59] Hazel’s Experience with the Marathon des Sables
  • Hazel is a businesswoman running a dog daycare, business coaching, and run coaching. She is also a former army nurse.
  • Hazel shares that she first dreamed of joining the Marathon de Sables back in 1986. It was only in 2018 that she committed to join the 2020 marathon.
  • Six months before the marathon, she found out that she had stage 3 melanoma.
  • Four weeks before the marathon, it was cancelled and moved to September due to the pandemic.
  • Hazel shares that she was losing motivation and was even over-trained from all the cancellations. 
[09:39] How to Help Your Body Perform at its Best 
  • Hazel shares that Lisa’s epigenetics program helped her mentally and physically by pinpointing the best time for her to exercise.
  • Her routine was based on her time with the army. The program helped her adjust based on her body’s needs.
  • She also took NMN and PerfectAmino to help heal her hamstring.
[12:38] Hazel’s Journey to the Marathon
  • Travelling during the pandemic was a whole different story. The marathon required full vaccination and a negative COVID-19 test for participants to join.
  • There were only 672 participants since people were still hesitant to travel during the pandemic. 
  • The heat in the Sahara desert was oppressive and slowed down Hazel’s body. 
  • She even nearly ran out of water before the first checkpoint, and she was drinking faster than she should have.
  • There is also the danger of hyponatremia in marathons.
[22:53] Day 2 and Day 3 
  • Day 2 and 3 were at 55.6 degrees, and people were dropping out due to hyperthermia. 
  • A runner also passed away on the second day.
  • By the third day, Hazel was not feeling well and had gastro pains. 
  • She was reminded to not be afraid to reach out for help and asked to stay with 2 teammates for the long day.
[34:04] How Hazel Performed Beyond 50k
  • Hazel was able to get a second wind once she went past 50k. 
  • Around 50% dropped out, leaving only 351 people who finished the marathon.
  • The Marathon des Sables was challenging due to the heat. People had to keep on adjusting their plans. 
  • The lockdowns also compromised the immune systems of many individuals.
[40:26] Learning from Experience
  • Fear can impact people’s stress levels, immune systems, and coping abilities. 
  • A 50% dropout is not typical in ultramarathons. For the Marathon de Sables, it was normally at 5%.
  • Ultramarathons teach you to be self-sufficient and reliant.
[44:15] Hazel’s Transition After the Marathon
  • The marathon forced people to live simple lives and appreciate the things we usually take for granted. 
  • Hazel shares that she ordered a spin bike upon returning. This exercise also helped her process the experience. 
  • She is also currently writing a book about the marathon.
[52:47] Stay Focused
  • Running ultramarathons is a lot like dealing with diseases like cancer. You need to stay focused and resilient.
  • After the third cancellation, Hazel needed to reset and rediscover the joy of running.
  • Training is not about being able to run 90k per week, Every run should have a purpose.
About Hazel

Hazel Harrison is an ultrarunner who recently participated in Marathon de Sables. She is also a certified breath coach and a certified professional transformational coach with over 30 years of experience. Hazel specialises in directional coaching, business coaching and mentoring teenager coaching, team coaching, bespoke leadership and team workshops.. She is also the owner of Nose2tail Doggy Daycare in New Zealand. 

Want to learn more about Hazel’s work? Check out her website

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HOW NOT TO FALL OFF THE BANDWAGON WITH YOUR FITNESS/NUTRITION01 Feb 202200:27:04

We have all done it.. set out all excited on a new training regime or nutrition plan then become derailed by something, lost our way, fell off the proverbial bandwagon. 

In this episode Ultra Endurance Athlete Lisa and Exercise Scientist Neil Wagstaff give their greatest tips for staying motivated, changing the stories running in your head, getting past limiting beliefs and changing your moods and emotions so you can stay focussed and reach those long held dreams 

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Tracking Biometric Markers Can Improve Your Health with Miray Tayfun27 Jan 202201:00:50

At least at one point in our lives, we will all experience body pains and headaches. However, did you know that these may be signs of a vitamin deficiency? Around 60-70% of Americans are calcium and magnesium deficient. We may be vitamin deficient and not even notice it! That's why it's vital to be tracking biometric markers. 

Tracking biometric markers and our nutrient levels can be a challenge because of the need to go to clinics regularly for blood tests. Fortunately, there’s a new technology that can help you check your biometric markers in the safety and comfort of your own home.

In this episode, Miray Tayfun discusses how Vivoo can track biometric markers at home. Vivoo can monitor your hydration, liver and kidney functions, Vitamin C, magnesium, and more. 

Don’t wait until symptoms start. Stay on top of your health with constant awareness!

If you want to learn more about tracking biometric markers, then this episode is for you!

Here are three reasons why you should listen to the full episode:
  1. Learn how home diagnostic tools like Vivo can help you stay on top of your health. 
  2. Discover how tracking biometric markers can optimise your health 
  3. Know more about the other necessary actions you need to take to be healthier.  
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Episode Highlights [04:02] How Miray Started Vivoo
  • Miray is knowledgeable in bioengineering and epigenetics. Her expertise is on the Internet of Things and biosensors. 
  • Vivoo means being alive in Spanish. 
  • It is a home diagnostics tool that helps in tracking biometric markers through urine.
  • The application can measure hydration, liver and kidney functions, urinary tract infections, and ketones.   
[06:43] Why Health Tracking is Important
  • When you are aware of your health statistics, it’s easier to take action.  
  • If you’re tracking biometric markers regularly, you’ll learn about their patterns and changes. 
  • Miray shares that Vivoo is also adding new metrics like calcium, vitamin C, magnesium, salt consumption, and free radicals.
[10:43] Looking Out for Oxidative Stress
  • Oxidative stress is involved in cell damage and diseases like cancer. 
  • Free radicals can lead to oxidative stress. They can be found in food, objects, and even cosmetics. 
  • Oxidative stress is a byproduct of lipid peroxidation and malondialdehyde (MDA). 
[14:21] Who Can Use Vivoo?
  • Many athletes use Vivoo to track their status before and after runs. 
  • Vivoo can help people become more proactive in their health and understand their bodies’ needs better. 
  • On average, 70% of Americans are calcium deficient and 60% are magnesium deficient. 
[19:33] How Does Vivoo Measure Oxidative Stress?
  • When Vivoo uses colourimetric tests, speific molecules activate and change colours depending on the level of the biometric being measured. 
  • People's health issues can be addressed by simply taking the right supplements and vitamins. 
  • For example, magnesium can help in 600 enzymatic reactions and be a treatment for depression.    
[24:17] How Medicine and the Medical Industry Should Change
  • Medicine often cures only the symptoms, not the disease. 
  • While medicines and treatments can address your symptoms, they won't treat vitamin deficiencies that might cause more significant problems for your body in the future. 
  • Medical trends point to more home diagnostic tools to help people live longer and healthier.  
  • Diabetes and obesity threatens the life expectancy of younger generations.
[31:19] The Mindset to Become Stronger
  • Looking for investors is just similar to looking for customers. You contact leads, pitch your sales, and hope to get funding. 
  • It also requires mental toughness and optimism despite uncertainties. 
  • When you believe in negative thinking, it then becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. 
[40:43] How Vivoo Can Help You Make Lifestyle Changes
  • Take note that Vivoo only helps gauge biometric levels and you can make decisions based on them. 
  • Many in the biohacking community want nutrient information. Miray's team added metrics for calcium, Vitamin C, magnesium, and salts. 
  • Vivoo also explains the importance of tracking biometric markers. 
  • We need supplementation because our food may not be in its prime condition. For example, Vitamin C in vegetables can oxidate to 90%. 
  • Getting good food nowadays has become difficult due to processing, packaging, pesticides, and modifications. 
[54:39] Vivoo and Tracking Biometric Markers
  • Miray shares that Vivoo does not check one’s overall health. When tracking liver functions, it only measures bilirubin which can check liver damage and cirrhosis. 
  • The application also checks for proteins related to kidney function.
  • Remember that even if you look healthy on the outside, it doesn’t mean you’re healthy. 
7 Powerful Quotes

 

“...  I want to know this for my own health, and my family's health so I can track everybody's going.”

 

“And people like us — sometimes I see hesitancy and people like, why would I pee on a stick unhealthy? But like 70% of Americans are calcium deficient and absorption reduces 30% by age.”

 

“ …if I had done an ultrasound, even of his stomach — if we would have seen what was going on under the hood, we would have been able to stop the aneurysm happening in his aorta, and we would have been able to fix them. That's just so sad that I didn't have something that  could have scanned him and seen that, and fixed that before it became a deadly problem.”

 

“...we can have genetic disorders, environmentally-caused problems, etc. But our body has actually tools to overcome it most of the times, but they don't allow our bodies to basically find those tools and help itself. They just try to cure the symptom.”

 

“...this is exciting, because then we will have much more control. And we will be able to live longer and age better and have a healthier [life].”

 

"And I realised that my biggest weakness is when there's uncertainty, there's two ways. You can be either optimistic, believe in yourself and your dreams, and keep going, or you can go down and save."

 

“It's okay for you to cost a little bit, in my opinion. It's okay for you to want to live your life and to have a good retirement and some nice times before you depart this world. And it's worth fighting for.”

Resources
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  • Lifespan by David A. Sinclair
  • Learn more about NMN through our interviews with Dr Elena Seranova: 
  • Vivoo: Website I Instagram I Twitter  
  • Connect with Miray: Linkedin I Twitter  
About Miray 

Miray Tayfun is the co-founder and CEO of Vivoo, the first affordable at-home wellness tracker that utilises urine to help people in tracking biometric markers and stay on top of their health. The application can detect metric levels such as hydration, pH, ketones, kidney and liver functions, among others. 

Miray graduated from the Yildiz Technical University with a Bachelor of Applied Science, Bioengineering, and finished the Epigenetics and Nutrigenetics course at Stanford University. 

Interested to learn more about Miray’s work? Check out her website

You can also connect with her on Linkedin and Twitter.      

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How To Develop Mental Toughness For Sport, Business And Life25 Jan 202200:16:30

How to develop mental toughness for sport business and life

Developing mental toughness is an underrated skill in, not only sport performance, but in business and for overcoming life's many challenges and obstacles. With the right mindset and approach you can achieve more than you ever thought possible.

Professional adventure athlete Lisa Tamati who has over 25 years experience racing in the worlds toughest endurance races, takes you through her top tips on developing the right mindset and mental toughness in sport and high performance.

Such things as:
how you perceive the upcoming challenge
how to tap into your parasympathetic nervous system to control your physiology
how to deal with failure
how to deal with fear.
Includes advice for coaching athletes and putting positive frameworks around each experience -good or bad and how to build on success.
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Do you have a dream to run a big race, maybe a half marathon, a marathon or even an ultramarathon?

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We promise to get you to the start line in the best shape ever! We will give you the benefit of our years of knowledge and experience in competing and training athletes, so you can avoid the mistakes, train efficiently, have fun and stay in optimal health while you are doing it.

So who are we?

Lisa Tamati is an a professional ultramarathon runner with over 25 years experiences racing the world's toughest endurance events and leading expeditions. Author of two internationally published running adventure books. She is also a mindset expert. From crossing the Libyan desert on foot to running Death Valley to running the length of NZ for charity, she has been there and done that. For more information on Lisa click here: www.lisatamati.co.nz

Neil Wagstaff is an exercise scientist, coach and ultramarathon runner with over 22 years experience in the health and fitness industry. He has trained hundreds of athletes and coaches alike to the successful completion of their goals.  For more info or to download our free run training ecourse go to www.runninghotcoaching.com/running-success

The Path of an Athlete - Mindset academy. An in-depth online programme that teaches you how to develop mental toughness, resilience, leadership skills, a never quit mentality, mental wellbeing and the keys for success in anything you set your mind to.

Do you wish you had the mental toughness of an extreme athlete?
Do you seek the confidence to deal with any threat, to steer any situation or challenge to a positive outcome?

If so, you can now learn the secrets to mental toughness and to developing a never quit mindset from someone who has been there and done that and lived to tell the tale.

For more information go to www.lisatamati.co.nz/ecourse

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Premier Outdoor equipment specialists who have been kitting out adventurers around the world for the past 50 years. 

Specialists in trail running gear - Check out their full range at www.thenorthface.co.nz

The information contained in this show is not medical advice it is for educational purposes only and the opinions of guests are not the views of the show. Please seed your own medical advice from a registered medical professional.

The Immune System and How it Fights Cancer Cells and Viruses with Dr Elizabeth Yurth20 Jan 202201:09:44

Getting a disease is inevitable; no one is exempt from it. Some people are fortunate enough to be cured of their illnesses. However, some diseases and conditions do not have cures, such as cancer. 

In a pandemic-stricken world, a deeper understanding of our immune system is crucial now more than ever. The body's immune system is the body's primary defence against sickness and disease. By learning the inner workings of our body, we can help support and prepare ourselves to fight cancer and keep ourselves healthy. 

In this episode, Dr Elizabeth Yurth shares her knowledge on the effects of cancer and viruses on our immune system. She talks about alternative approaches based on scientific evidence that goes hand in hand with traditional cancer treatments, ranging from spermidine to vitamin D and zinc. Become pre-emptive and preventive when it comes to your health! Get ahead of diseases through early diagnosis. 

If you want to learn more about how you can help your immune system fight cancer and other diseases, then this episode is for you!

 

Here are three reasons why you should listen to the full episode:

 

  1. Understand how your immune system works against viruses and cancer cells.
  2. Learn more alternative approaches to cancer treatment aside from chemotherapy and radiation.
  3. Discover how early testing and screening can help improve your overall health.

 

Get Customised Guidance for Your Genetic Make-Up

For our epigenetics health programme, all about optimising your fitness, lifestyle, nutrition and mind performance to your particular genes, go to https://wellness.lisatamati.com/epigenetics.

Customised Online Coaching for Runners

CUSTOMISED RUN COACHING PLANS — How to Run Faster, Be Stronger, Run Longer  Without Burnout & Injuries

Have you struggled to fit in training in your busy life? Maybe you don't know where to start, or perhaps you have done a few races but keep having motivation or injury troubles?

Do you want to beat last year’s time or finish at the front of the pack? Want to run your first 5-km or run a 100-miler?

​​Do you want a holistic programme that is personalised & customised to your ability, goals, and lifestyle? 

Go to www.runninghotcoaching.com for our online run training coaching.

Health Optimisation and Life Coaching

Are you struggling with a health issue and need people who look outside the square and are connected to some of the greatest science and health minds in the world? Then reach out to us at support@lisatamati.com, we can jump on a call to see if we are a good fit for you.

If you have a big challenge ahead, are dealing with adversity or want to take your performance to the next level and want to learn how to increase your mental toughness, emotional resilience, foundational health, and more, contact us at support@lisatamati.com.

Order My Books

My latest book Relentless chronicles the inspiring journey about how my mother and I defied the odds after an aneurysm left my mum Isobel with massive brain damage at age 74. The medical professionals told me there was absolutely no hope of any quality of life again. Still, I used every mindset tool, years of research and incredible tenacity to prove them wrong and bring my mother back to full health within three years. Get your copy here: https://shop.lisatamati.com/collections/books/products/relentless.

For my other two best-selling books Running Hot and Running to Extremes, chronicling my ultrarunning adventures and expeditions all around the world, go to https://shop.lisatamati.com/collections/books.

Lisa’s Anti-Ageing and Longevity Supplements 

NMN: Nicotinamide Mononucleotide, an NAD+ precursor

Feel Healthier and Younger*

Researchers have found that Nicotinamide Adenine Dinucleotide or NAD+, a master regulator of metabolism and a molecule essential for the functionality of all human cells, is being dramatically decreased over time.

What is NMN?

NMN Bio offers a cutting edge Vitamin B3 derivative named NMN (beta Nicotinamide Mononucleotide) that can boost the levels of NAD+ in muscle tissue and liver. Take charge of your energy levels, focus, metabolism and overall health so you can live a happy, fulfilling life.

Founded by scientists, NMN Bio offers supplements of the highest purity and rigorously tested by an independent, third-party lab. Start your cellular rejuvenation journey today.

Support Your Healthy Ageing

We offer powerful third-party tested NAD+ boosting supplements so you can start your healthy ageing journey today.

Shop now: https://nmnbio.nz/collections/all

  • NMN (beta Nicotinamide Mononucleotide) 250mg | 30 capsules
  • NMN (beta Nicotinamide Mononucleotide) 500mg | 30 capsules
  • 6 Bottles | NMN (beta Nicotinamide Mononucleotide) 250mg | 30 Capsules
  • 6 Bottles | NMN (beta Nicotinamide Mononucleotide) 500mg | 30 Capsules
Quality You Can Trust — NMN

Our premium range of anti-ageing nutraceuticals (supplements that combine Mother Nature with cutting edge science) combats the effects of aging while designed to boost NAD+ levels. Manufactured in an ISO9001 certified facility

Boost Your NAD+ Levels — Healthy Ageing: Redefined
  • Cellular Health
  • Energy & Focus
  • Bone Density
  • Skin Elasticity
  • DNA Repair
  • Cardiovascular Health
  • Brain Health 
  • Metabolic Health
My  ‘Fierce’ Sports Jewellery Collection

For my gorgeous and inspiring sports jewellery collection, 'Fierce', go to https://shop.lisatamati.com/collections/lisa-tamati-bespoke-jewellery-collection.

Episode Highlights 01:04 Lisa’s Journey with Cancer and her Mom

Lisa’s mother has been diagnosed with high-grade diffuse B-cell lymphoma. These recent events have motivated Lisa to delve deeper into cancer research. Understanding how cancer works and the approaches besides traditional procedures such as chemotherapy and radiation are necessary and relevant. In the following episodes, she will be doing a series of interviews revolving around the theme of cancer.

09:12 How Cancer Rewrites the Definition of Healthy

When diagnosed with cancer, building muscles and promoting metabolic activity becomes less of a priority. The goal of cancer treatment is to slow everything down. We want to get rid of damaged cells and generate new ones. Dr Yurth adds that while it is vital to maintain glucose levels and everything, the general goal is to block muscle growth. Cancer begins at a mitochondrial level, and cancer cells need tons of energy to support their growth rate. We need to block all the typical pathways that make us healthy to stop its growth.

12:58 Spermidine and Autophagy Pathways 

The effects of spermidine are different for different types of cancer, but it appears to be very beneficial to patients suffering from colon cancer. Blocking the polyamine pathways in prostate cancer has been good in getting rid of cancer cells. A high dose of spermidine will result in a dramatic autophagy effect. However, Dr Yurth advises that she wouldn't recommend this until research reveals more information. 

 

Another good approach is doxycycline. Mitochondria started as bacteria and have their own DNA. Since doxycycline is an antibacterial agent, it works well in getting rid of these mitochondria. Dr Yurth advises us to stick to approaches that have better answers.

17:19 Autophagy as Recycling 

Cancer cells can use recycled proteins as another fuel source, so it's vital to block these pathways. Dipyridamole is a drug that works well in blocking nucleotide salvage pathways. However, chemotherapeutic drugs work on only one pathway, and cancer cells tend to find other pathways to get their energy, which makes working against these cells challenging. 

19:00 Fight Cancer By Starving It

Dr Yurth remarks that McClellan's work that includes safe, inexpensive, and readily available drugs in combating cancer is an innovative approach. She recommends doing them hand in hand with conventional approaches to cancer. Most oncologists will discourage patients from taking unconventional practices with cancer treatments.

21:25 Taking Others’ Input, Making Own Decisions

We need new scientific research about making decisions about cancer treatment. For example, there may be detrimental effects to patients undergoing unconventional approaches. Dr Yurth adds that she does extensive research in everything she does. 

23:00 Drug Interactions

Understanding drug interactions is vital in understanding cancer treatments. However, oncologists only look at it at the metabolic cellular level and follow their study protocols. 

23:34 Understanding the Metabolism of Cancer

Cancer is not just a genetic disease. While genetics causes a disposition towards cancer, the disease itself starts in the mitochondria. The mitochondria are independent and can become cancerous. There is no homogenous pattern when it comes to cancer cells mutating. That is why we need to treat the mitochondria and target metabolism.  

26:20 Progress in Understanding Cancer

There has been headway in understanding cancer, but you'll realise that research in the field has gotten further if we put everything together. The immune system responds appropriately to keep the cancer cells in check. However, as we age, the immune system becomes dysfunctional and can no longer get rid of cancer cells. Cancer is an age-related disease because the immune system starts to deteriorate. Viruses like cytomegalovirus, Epstein Barr virus (EBV), and COVID end up sticking around and dysregulating the immune system. Over time, these viruses can eventually link to a form of cancer. 

 

28:40 Viruses and their Relationship to the Immune System

Over time, the immune system becomes depleted in keeping check with viruses in the body. The ratio of neutrophils and lymphocytes is vital for keeping your immune system working well. Having disproportionate lymphocytes means that your immune system can't protect your body from viruses. Dr Yurth shares that her son's white blood cell count dropped after experiencing EBV and COVID at the same time. Many people don't appreciate how viruses play a role in the long haul in our immune system. Dr Yurth suggests looking more aggressively at latent viruses in the body. Getting a simple CBC can determine how your immune system is currently faring. 

33:53 What Peptides Are 

Peptides are, in a sense, small proteins. A protein has more than 50 amino acids, and peptides have less than 50 amino acids. Our body makes thousands of peptides, each made with a specific function. Synthetic peptides are also present in the body. The thymus gland, responsible for producing peptides, becomes smaller as we age. For patients with autoimmune diseases, giving back peptide thymosin alpha 1 in doses helps their immune system fight viruses. Some countries use a drug called Daxon for this purpose or as an adjunct to vaccines. Immune system support is critical for cancer patients going through chemotherapy. However, this remains an expensive and inaccessible approach. 

39:12 Emerging Home Diagnostic Tests in the Market

It is vital to get ahead and find early signs of diseases through testing. Dr Yurth shares an anecdote of her patient with dementia. There is a correlation between the brain scan and the immune system test results, which pointed towards a viral influence. Your lymphocyte count can be the marker in determining the status of your immune system. 

 

40:52 Being Pre-emptive and Preventive

Your GP typically has you undergo a CBC test, but the results of this test tend to go overlooked. The risk of dying becomes dramatically higher when your blood count is above 1.5 to 1. Albumin dropping is a sign that the body is in a stressed state. This marker predicts if your body will respond well to cancer. Cell size and red blood cell distribution can also help healthcare providers determine the health status of your cells. 

43:13 Background on Dr Yurth’s BLI Academy Course 

The course will be available in January and includes a blood test. Dr Yurth and her team will walk you through your test results and the possible diseases you need to consider. It's essential to look for markers that tell you if something's wrong with your body. There are long term ramifications to latent viruses such as EPV, which could lead to lymphoma.

46:25 COVID and How You Can Support the Immune System

Vitamin D is essential to support your immune system fight viruses, and by extension, fight cancer and the coronavirus. Dr Yurth recommends 1000 IU/day of Vitamin D and taking it with Vitamin K2 intracellularly. People lacking a binding protein may experience issues taking Vitamin D naturally through sunlight exposure. Fortunately, there are substitutes, including certain wavelength lamps and supplements. Sunlight exposure and vitamin D influences the frequency of colds and flu in winter. The vitamin D levels from the sun decrease during this season. 

50:07 The Importance of Vitamin D 

Vitamin D upregulates an antimicrobial peptide, LL 37, which fights infections. Instead of buying expensive LL 37, you can take more vitamin D and upregulate your own LL 37. It is a great antiviral agent as well. Some people fear getting too much vitamin D. However, studies have shown that you need to be taking massive amounts before it becomes toxic. Dr Yurth recollects the case of a patient taking around 500,000 IU/day. When she stopped taking massive amounts, her levels went back to normal.

52:17 The Problem with Taking Vitamin D Naturally

Wearing sunblock can protect us from skin cancer and wrinkles but can also affect vitamin D absorption. African Americans and people of Mediterranean origin have skin less likely to be damaged by sun rays but tend to have lower vitamin D levels. In contrast, people who have Norwegian and similar European origins have higher vitamin D levels because their bodies aren't under the sun all the time. Through testing, you can determine if you need more vitamin D in your body. 

53:54 The Importance of Zinc

Viruses use your zinc to replicate. Zinc deficiency is present in people who contracted COVID, causing loss of taste and smell. A smell test is employed to determine whether a person has zinc deficiency. Higher levels of zinc can help protect our bodies against viral infections. Dr Yurth recommends a 1:1 zinc and copper ratio. You can add 2 milligrams of copper along with your zinc intake or use copper peptide face creams to achieve this recommendation. Some patients can take GHK Copper peptide intravenously or topically. 

56:52 Quercetin and Resveratrol

Quercetin helps get zinc into the cell. Resveratrol and Quercetin also help in treating viruses. These drugs also block glucose transport which makes them beneficial in treating cancer. 

57:52 Honokiol or Magnolia Bark Extract and Zeolite

Also known as Relora, it is an immune-modulating agent with antiviral properties. The drug has an adrenal function; it relieves stress and calms down cortisol present in the body at night. Zeolite is volcanic ash that forms a negatively charged structure upon hitting the water. Dentists commonly use it for mercury detox. Its cage-like structure can trap harmful toxins and viruses that get into our bodies. It also has anti-cancer properties. Ingesting zeolite while undergoing chemotherapy is not recommended because it can get rid of the toxins present in the treatment. 

1:02:04 Mental Work in the Cancer Journey

As a caretaker, stress shows prominent signs in physical and mental health. Dr Yurth shares that when her mother died in September, her father's prostate cancer was exacerbated by stress, which eventually led to his death. Similarly, Lisa's family experienced the loss of her father, followed by her mother's cancer diagnosis. Don't neglect the mental side of cancer. 

 

Resources

 

7 Powerful Quotes

“What happens in cancer though, is we have this accumulation of damage. And so now we have to go really aggressively at getting rid of everything that’s allowing cell growth.”

“Neutrophils, think of them as your chronic inflammatory and lymphocytes are your innate immune system. When your innate immune system starts to become taxed and not functioning well, then you’ll start to see your lymphocyte count drop,”

“I’m never an advocate of saying, Don’t do all traditional approaches, because I do think there’s some value to them, but we want to support the body along with it.”

“And yet, we know that for every point above 1.5, to 1 that your risk of dying goes up considerably. You know, it’s dramatic. And there are other little signs too, that things are going awry.”

“(A higher risk) happens as we get older because our immune system is now taxed for so long. So if we could say okay, yes, you had this virus, let’s try and eradicate it. Let’s keep your immune system as healthy as it can, you know, until 150.”

“The data really supports that if your vitamin D is robust, your likelihood of getting sick is really small.”

“The studies have shown that it has to be taking massive amounts of (vitamin D) to ever become toxic. So at 10,000 IU/day, nobody is going to become toxic. You really honestly don’t have to worry.”

 

About Dr Yurth

Dr Elizabeth Yurth is the co-founder and medical director of the Boulder Longevity Institute

Dr Elizabeth Yurth has more than 25 years of experience as a practising orthopedist specialising in sports, spine, and regenerative medicine. 

She has a Stanford affiliated Fellowship in Sports and Spine Medicine and a dual-Fellowship in Anti-Aging and Regenerative Medicine (FAARM) and Anti-Aging, Regenerative and Functional Medicine (FAARFM) through the American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine (A4M).

She also has a Fellowship in Human Potential and Epigenetic Medicine and is one of the first providers to receive the A4M National Peptide Certification. She also serves as a faculty member in the same organisation and the International peptide Society (IPS).

You can connect with Dr Yurth through her Instagram and LinkedIn.

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Post a review and share it! If you enjoyed tuning in, then leave us a review. You can also share this with your family and friends so they can know how to optimise their immune system and fight disease more efficiently.

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To pushing the limits,

Lisa

Exploring Art of the Possible with Dr Joe Dituri13 Jan 202201:23:23

So much about the world remains unknown. What lies in the ocean’s depths, the composition of outer space, life after COVID — these are all questions yet to be answered. However, we can discover different solutions for many unresolved problems using critical thinking. We need to stop looking for answers today and look forward; we need to seek the art of the possible.

In this episode, Dr Joe Dituri draws from his research and experience to discuss hyperbaric oxygen therapy, space travel, and the right approach to battling COVID. One might think that it takes an advanced academic degree to tackle these concerns and mysteries. However, in the episode, we’ll learn that qualifications aren’t all there is to it. Finally, he shares how research and studying can unlock doors to a whole world of possibilities.

Tune in if you want to learn more about harnessing the art of the possible. 

 

Here are three reasons why you should listen to the full episode:
  1. Understand more about hyperbaric oxygen therapy and oxygen toxicity.
  2. Hear Dr Joe’s opinion on how we can solve the current COVID situation — and why the research and doctoral approach just won’t cut it. 
  3. Learn about the importance of diversity of thought and the art of the possible.

 

Get Customised Guidance for Your Genetic Make-Up

For our epigenetics health programme, all about optimising your fitness, lifestyle, nutrition and mind performance to your particular genes, go to https://wellness.lisatamati.com/epigenetics.

 

Customised Online Coaching for Runners

CUSTOMISED RUN COACHING PLANS — How to Run Faster, Be Stronger, Run Longer  Without Burnout & Injuries

Have you struggled to fit in training in your busy life? Maybe you don't know where to start, or perhaps you have done a few races but keep having motivation or injury troubles?

Do you want to beat last year’s time or finish at the front of the pack? Want to run your first 5-km or run a 100-miler?

​​Do you want a holistic programme that is personalised & customised to your ability, goals, and lifestyle? 

Go to www.runninghotcoaching.com for our online run training coaching.

 

Health Optimisation and Life Coaching

Are you struggling with a health issue and need people who look outside the square and are connected to some of the greatest science and health minds in the world? Then reach out to us at support@lisatamati.com. We can jump on a call to see if we are a good fit for you.

If you have a big challenge ahead, are dealing with adversity, or want to take your performance to the next level and want to learn how to increase your mental toughness, emotional resilience, foundational health, and more, contact us at support@lisatamati.com.

 

Order My Books

My latest book, Relentless, chronicles the inspiring journey about how my mother and I defied the odds after an aneurysm left my mum Isobel with massive brain damage at age 74. The medical professionals told me there was absolutely no hope of any quality of life again. Still, I used every mindset tool, years of research and incredible tenacity to prove them wrong and bring my mother back to full health within three years. Get your copy here: https://shop.lisatamati.com/collections/books/products/relentless.

For my other two best-selling books Running Hot and Running to Extremes, chronicling my ultrarunning adventures and expeditions all around the world, go to https://shop.lisatamati.com/collections/books.

 

Lisa’s Anti-Ageing and Longevity Supplements 

NMN: Nicotinamide Mononucleotide, an NAD+ precursor

Feel Healthier and Younger*

Researchers have found that Nicotinamide Adenine Dinucleotide or NAD+, a master regulator of metabolism and a molecule essential for the functionality of all human cells, is being dramatically decreased over time.

What is NMN?

NMN Bio offers a cutting edge Vitamin B3 derivative named NMN (beta Nicotinamide Mononucleotide) that can boost the levels of NAD+ in muscle tissue and liver. Take charge of your energy levels, focus, metabolism and overall health so you can live a happy, fulfilling life.

Founded by scientists, NMN Bio offers supplements of the highest purity and rigorously tested by an independent, third-party lab. Start your cellular rejuvenation journey today.

Support Your Healthy Ageing

We offer powerful third-party tested NAD+ boosting supplements so you can start your healthy ageing journey today.

Shop now: https://nmnbio.nz/collections/all

  • NMN (beta Nicotinamide Mononucleotide) 250mg | 30 capsules
  • NMN (beta Nicotinamide Mononucleotide) 500mg | 30 capsules
  • 6 Bottles | NMN (beta Nicotinamide Mononucleotide) 250mg | 30 Capsules
  • 6 Bottles | NMN (beta Nicotinamide Mononucleotide) 500mg | 30 Capsules
Quality You Can Trust — NMN

Our premium range of anti-ageing nutraceuticals (supplements that combine Mother Nature with cutting edge science) combats the effects of aging while designed to boost NAD+ levels. Manufactured in an ISO9001 certified facility.

Boost Your NAD+ Levels — Healthy Ageing: Redefined
  • Cellular Health
  • Energy & Focus
  • Bone Density
  • Skin Elasticity
  • DNA Repair
  • Cardiovascular Health
  • Brain Health 
  • Metabolic Health
My  ‘Fierce’ Sports Jewellery Collection

For my gorgeous and inspiring sports jewellery collection, 'Fierce', go to https://shop.lisatamati.com/collections/lisa-tamati-bespoke-jewellery-collection.

 

Episode Highlights [03:03] Dr Joe’s Background
  • Dr Joe did so poorly in his studies that he had no choice but to join the Navy.
  • He has poor vision due to congenital ocular albinism. However, refusing to wear glasses impeded his learning potential.
  • While his mother taught him his work ethic, the Navy taught him discipline.
  • After finding out his learning method, he earned his bachelor’s degree in Computer Science and became a Navy Special Operations Officer.
[11:22] Becoming a Navy Commander
  • Dr Joe trained to walk on the ocean floor more than swim
  •  during his time as a Navy diver.
  • He became a great diver and started writing papers after expanding his diving knowledge.
  • His papers and diving expertise resulted in him receiving a promotion as the officer-in-charge of the Deep Submergence Unit.
  • Upon building a dry combat submersible and bending a few rules, they came up with organisation state rules for the American Bureau of Shipping.
[18:25] Life After the Navy
  • After finishing 28 years in the Navy, Dr Joe decided to write a paper on the ketogenic diet.
  • There was a hypothesis that using a ketogenic diet could stave off epileptic seizures on one side. Joe wondered if it would work for hyperbaric oxygen therapy.
  • Then, he decided to pursue a PhD in Biomedical Engineering to write the paper.
  • After writing the paper, Dr Dom D’Agostino invited Joe to work in his laboratory and write a few chapters on a book together.
[23:19] Combating Oxygen Toxicity
  • When you’re diving, seizure won’t kill you; drowning will.
  • Joe’s PhD was about designing an early warning detection system for when the autonomic nervous system is stressed.
  • They also redesigned the current spacesuit.
[30:36] What Extreme Diving Is Like
  • If there’s a leak in your suit at 810 PSI, it would cut you in half and fuse you.
  • With extreme diving, he needed to be calm about his potential death. The fear encouraged more careful measures.
  • Being in charge of the detachment meant Joe carried a significant responsibility on his shoulders.
  • Coming to terms with that responsibility, he devised a robust training plan and surrounded himself with people to help him execute it.
[34:58] His Diving Experience
  • They did a scientific expedition on the Britannic to learn why it sank.
  • The black coral dive was the most dangerous dive he's performed. The swinging of the hammer in the water takes so much energy, and it attracts sharks.
  • Your body has compensatory mechanisms that allow you to dive as deep as 2,000 feet underwater.
  • They're looking to break the record by living in an aquatic environment for 100 days. This endeavour also serves as survival training in extreme conditions.
  • Everything we need to survive is on this planet — we just need to look in new places.
[48:05] The Art of the Possible
  • We’re all just trying to figure out what we’re supposed to do.
  • It's not about what is state of the art. Instead, consider the art of the possible. Always keep your eyes ahead.
[54:53] The COVID Situation
  • Viruses will kill people.
  • We need a common-sense approach rooted in a combination of politics, medicine, and business rather than just a blanket doctoral approach.
  • Shaming and blaming are fear tactics used during the vaccination period.
  • Rather than pointing fingers, it’s more important to find a solution to the problem.
[1:00:32] What He’s Currently Doing
  • He's working at the Undersea Oxygen Clinic, where they're doing clinical research and a wide variety of treatments.
  • Medicare doesn’t hold all the answers; we could refer to the HMO since they have good interests at heart.
  • Tune in to the full episode to find out his studies on post-COVID patients and why sometimes the research itself is the wrong attitude!
[1:12:52] Degree vs. Diversity of Thought
  • You can’t expect everything to work right away.
  • Degrees and titles mean nothing compared to the ability to think outside the box. The art of the possible requires looking ahead.
  • In the U.S., some legislations grant patients with a terminal diagnosis the right to dictate their own cure.

 

7 Powerful Quotes

‘There’s enough problems that can kill you, and the ocean will happily and gleefully kill you without blinking an eye. It won’t even recognise that you’re there, so… you actually have to give it a good dose of respect.’

 

‘... everything that we need on this planet exists on this planet to survive.’

 

'It's not about the state of the art; it's about the art of the possible. Because the state of the art is yesterday and right now. The art of the possible is way the hell out there.'

 

'I firmly believe that [the solution to COVID] needs to be rooted not in politics. Not in medicine, but in a combination of politics and medicine and business and acumen.'

 

‘People will do everything, and then do hyperbarics. Then they go, ‘Hyperbarics didn’t work.’ Well, yeah, because you waited until the end to try it. If you had done it, it might have helped earlier.’

 

‘...what degree you have, what title you put before your name, what title you put after your name, it doesn’t make a damn bit of difference. If you are a person that can think outside the box, I’d much rather have you in my corner.’

 

'If you are supposedly at the end of life and have been given a terminal diagnosis and I'm going to die if I do things the way you want to do, then why do you care?'

Resources About Dr Joe

Dr Joe Dituri is a retired Navy Commander and a consultant for the International Board of Undersea Medicine. He’s currently the President of the Undersea Oxygen Clinic and the CEO of the Association for Marine Exploration.

 

He earned his bachelor's degree in Computer Science from the University of South Carolina, a Master's degree in Astronautical Engineering from Naval Post Graduate School, and a PhD in Biomedical Engineering at the University of South Florida. Enlisting in the U.S. Navy in 1985, he was commissioned in Special Operations and became Officer-in-Charge Deep Submergence Unit (DSU) Diving Systems Detachment (DSD). He also won several awards during his service.

 

Joe has written numerous diver-training manuals, co-authored “Tao of Survival Underwater”, contributed to Hyperbaric Medical Practice (4th edition) and the Navy Diving Manual, and has been published in several journals. Currently, he is interested in writing books, skydiving, and being a civilian astronaut. 

Learn more about Dr Joe's work, including hyperbaric oxygen therapy, on his website

You can also connect with him on Twitter, LinkedIn, and Instagram.

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Post a review and share it! If you enjoyed tuning in, then leave us a review. You can also share this with your family and friends so they can discover the meaning of the art of the possible. 

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To pushing the limits,

Lisa

The Power of Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy, Metabolomics and the Holobiont11 Jan 202200:57:25
Dr. Sherr believes that Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy (HBOT) -- the administration of 100% oxygen at greater than atmospheric pressure -- is one of the most powerful ways to decreasing inflammation, accelerate wound healing, and optimise both physical and mental performance.

He is one of the few HBOT providers in the USA that creates personalised treatment plans for patients that include cutting edge & dynamic HBOT protocols, adjunctive technologies, laboratory testing, and nutritional interventions.

Dr. Sherr is the Director of Integrative Hyperbaric Medicine and Health Optimization at Hyperbaric Medical Solutions, in addition to operating his own independent hyperbaric consultation practice and performing in-person consultations in the San Francisco Bay Area (where he lives). Dr. Sherr aims to create access and educate all those who may benefit from HBOT through telemedicine consulting, advocacy, and education practice worldwide.

I wanted to share this second episode with Dr Sherr (he was on back in episode 77) to go even deeper into the little known facts about hyperbaric oxygen therapy like making epigenetic shifts, angiogenesis, stem cell production, lymph drainage and how it influences around 8000 genes in the body.   Hyperbaric oxygen  therapy was a major component in my mother, Isobel's rehabilitation after a devastating brain injury over 4 years ago.

Isobel was left with hardly any higher functioning, the brain damage was so severe she was unable to control her body in any meaningful fashion, had virtually no memory, no speech and was let in the . stage of a toddler at the age of 74.

But after three months in hospital and after months studying hyperbaric oxygen therapy and searching for somewhere to get her access to it I was lucky enough to find a chamber to use.  What followed was in my opinion nothing short of miraculous. and now after thousands of hours of training, combined with supplementation and diet changes and over 250 hyperbaric sessions later. Mum is completely normal again, can walk, read, write, do all her normal daily duties and is living a full life again, her doctor saying is a one in a million comeback story.

This is why I was so excited to get one of the worlds leading experts on this therapy to speak on my podcast and to explain much clearer  and better than I ever could, just what the mechanisms of HBOT are and the benefits, limitations and research going into this area of medicine.   My book "Relentless" which is out now on my website and everywhere good books are sold shares our journey with hyperbaric among other adjunctive therapies.   If you or anyone you know would be interested in purchasing a hyperbaric chamber, contact lisa@lisatamati.com for more details.  

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ABOUT THE BOOK:

When extreme endurance athlete, Lisa Tamati, was confronted with the hardest challenge of her life, she fought with everything she had. Her beloved mother, Isobel, had suffered a huge aneurysm and stroke and was left with massive brain damage; she was like a baby in a woman's body. The prognosis was dire. There was very little hope that she would ever have any quality of life again. But Lisa is a fighter and stubborn.

She absolutely refused to accept the words of the medical fraternity and instead decided that she was going to get her mother back or die trying.

This book tells of the horrors, despair, hope, love, and incredible experiences and insights of that journey. It shares the difficulties of going against a medical system that has major problems and limitations. Amongst the darkest times were moments of great laughter and joy.

Relentless will not only take the reader on a journey from despair to hope and joy, but it also provides information on the treatments used, expert advice and key principles to overcoming obstacles and winning in all of life's challenges. It will inspire and guide anyone who wants to achieve their goals in life, overcome massive obstacles or limiting beliefs. It's for those who are facing terrible odds, for those who can't see light at the end of the tunnel. It's about courage, self-belief, and mental toughness. And it's also about vulnerability... it's real, raw, and genuine.

This is not just a story about the love and dedication between a mother and a daughter. It is about beating the odds, never giving up hope, doing whatever it takes, and what it means to go 'all in'. Isobel's miraculous recovery is a true tale of what can be accomplished when love is the motivating factor and when being relentless is the only option.

 

Here's What NY Times Best Selling author and Nobel Prize Winner Author says of The Book:

"There is nothing more powerful than overcoming physical illness when doctors don't have answers and the odds are stacked against you. This is a fiercely inspiring journey of a mother and daughter that never give up. It's a powerful example for all of us."

—Dr. Bill Andrews, Nobel Prize Winner, author of Curing Aging and Telomere Lengthening.

 

"A hero is someone that refuses to let anything stand in her way, and Lisa Tamati is such an individual. Faced with the insurmountable challenge of bringing her ailing mother back to health, Lisa harnessed a deeper strength to overcome impossible odds. Her story is gritty, genuine and raw, but ultimately uplifting and endearing. If you want to harness the power of hope and conviction to overcome the obstacles in your life, Lisa's inspiring story will show you the path."

—Dean Karnazes, New York Times best selling author and Extreme Endurance Athlete.

  Transcript of the Podcast:   Speaker 1: (00:01)
Welcome to pushing the limits, the show that helps you reach your full potential with your host, Lisa [inaudible] brought to you by lisatamati.com.

Speaker 2: (00:12)
Well hi everyone. Fantastic to have you back again on pushing the limits today. I have a fantastic interview with Dr. Scott Scheer, who is a physician out of the United States. Now Scott, Dr. Scott has been on my podcast previously and it was one of the most popular episodes, so I'm really, really privileged to have him back on. Yeah, Dr. Scott is a pioneer in health optimization medicine and in this episode we really going and doing a deep dive into one of my favorite therapies, hyperbaric oxygen therapy, but we're also going to be talking about meta below mix in the hollow biome. Yeah, Dr. Scott is a position certified in the health optimization medicine and in hyperbaric same time and he uses both of these protocols and adjunctive technologies. Uh, he's a father of four and he's an incredible, uh, really outside of the box thinker and I love his approach to his work.

Speaker 2: (01:04)
So I'm hope you enjoy this episode with Dr. Scott shoe. Just a reminder, my book [inaudible] is now out. And, uh, my story with my mom was all, uh, one of the cornerstone therapies was hyperbaric oxygen therapy and I was, it was wonderful to connect with Dr. Scott about that previously and to learn all about hyperbaric. So I hope you enjoy this interview and if you want to grab the book while you're at it, he don't have it to my website, lisatamati.com and there was a lengthier under the shop for the books, so check them all out. Thanks for listening and we'll see you again soon. And now over to Dr. Scott. Well, hi everyone. Lisa Tamati here and very excited to have you on board again today for an exciting episode. I have Dr. Scott Scheer with me who is a hyperbaric specialist, uh, from the States and he is, uh, had been on my show before and he is now coming back on here. It was one of the most popular episodes on the whole show. So I'm really, really excited to have Dr. Scott Beck and he's actually sitting in his own hyperbaric chamber right now and doing the interview from inside his own hyperbaric. So Dr. Scott, how are you doing?

Speaker 3: (02:16)
I'm doing well. Can you hear me okay, Lisa?

Speaker 2: (02:18)
Yeah, it's not too bad. We might have to ramp up the volume when we're doing the either thing, but we'll give it a go. See, here we go. Okay,

Speaker 3: (02:26)
sounds good.

Speaker 2: (02:27)
I'm sorry.

Speaker 3: (02:31)
Yes, I'm in my own chamber. I, um, I have my own mild hyperbaric units. Mild hyperbaric therapy is defined as hyperbaric therapy, less than or 1.3 atmospheres or more superficial than that. Um, and so these chambers go to about 15 feet of seawater equivalent. Um, and these chambers are approved for home use. Um, and I use them for a lot of different reasons, but personally I use it for just overall health and wellness, cognitive capacity enhancements, muscle recovery, jet lag, and a couple of other other indications. The chamber is nice because it's a triangular type of chamber, which means that you can actually sit up in it and not have to lie down completely. And I've been using it a lot these days, given pandemics and all those kinds of things and doing my best to stay healthy along with everybody else. At least a lot of other people that are not eating junk food all the time.

Speaker 2: (03:32)
Yeah. And we'll get into that a little bit later that year. Um, no amount of boy hacking all out to a good dog bed diet. So we definitely need to focus on that. But, so Dr. Scott, so I have my own hyperbaric chamber. I go in and every pretty much, you know, three or four times a week at least my one goes up to 1.5 atmospheres. And, but you also have a clinic that goes, uh, has, um, hyperbaric chambers that go, uh, too high up precious. Can you explain a little bit difference between the mild hyperbaric and the medical grade, if you like hyperbaric sort of things?

Speaker 3: (04:09)
Yeah, sure. So hyperbaric therapy in the United States is approved for 14 different conditions and all of those conditions have been studied at two atmospheres or greater. And so all the medical conditions for hyperbaric therapy cannot be treated in mild hyperbaric units. They can only be treated in, in units that are more medical grade. The medical grade chambers go down. Uh, there's different types of medical grade chambers. The most common, it's called a motto place or a single unit occupancy chamber. That chamber goes down to somewhere between 2.4 to three atmospheres of pressure. Three atmospheres of pressure is the equivalent of 66 feet of seawater. What's interesting about 66 feet of sea water equivalent is that when they, that's actually where they've done studies showing that at that level you no longer need red blood cells in circulation to get enough oxygen diffused into the plasma where the liquid of your blood at that level and maintain your physiologic functions.

Speaker 3: (05:10)
So it's a, it's a significant amount of oxygen that we can get into circulation. And so, um, what we're doing in a chamber is obviously driving more oxygen into circulation. And that's kind of like the quick and dirty of what's happening. When you go in there. The heart chambers are typically going down to deeper pressures, um, two atmospheres or above. Mmm. And then the soft chambers, um, depending on the type of chamber you have, it could go down to 1.3. Some of them go to 1.5. It depends on the country and the location. Well, I think what's more important for people is not that type of chamber really. But because some soft chambers can actually go to very deep pressures and heart chamber go to any pressure, they can go to superficial chamber pressures and they can go to deep pressure. What's most important, I think is knowing is treated or what the difference in treatments is depending on the pressure.

Speaker 3: (06:03)
Mmm. We think of neurologic pressure. So brain and spinal cord related pressures being somewhere between 1.3 and 2.0 and we think of things outside the central nervous system, soft tissue, um, and sort of overall hello. Outside of the central nervous system. A 2.0 and greater in general. No. From a like detoxification, lymphatic perspective, you can get benefits at both at 1.3 to 2.0 along with a 2.0 or greater. And from a STEM cell release perspective, the further down you go, the deeper you go, the more STEM cells that are released. So the indications fall into those two basic categories of neurologic versus non neurologic conditions. Although you can modulate the salt chambers to help you with some non neurologic conditions as well. You are getting more oxygen in circulation, right? So you are getting the ability to enhance your flow of oxygen to tissues regardless of the chamber and regardless of the pressure actually, although some pressure is needed. Mmm. And then you are helping with detoxification as well, no matter what pressures you're using,

Speaker 2: (07:19)
but it's more optimal at the, at the higher pressures. So,

Speaker 3: (07:23)
okay.

Speaker 2: (07:24)
So for neuro separate brain injury, like um, you know, not my story with my mum, um, 1.5 was what, you know, we were recommended is an ideal, uh, pressure for, for brain injury. So, so you're saying the neurological, the problems that people have actually better at the lower or the a then this oppression. So I should say, and for things like, um, Mmm diabetic wounds or um, healing injuries, uh, boons, that type of thing at a higher pressure would be more beneficial, but, or hyperbaric will help with detoxification. And was the limps and speeding up the healing hearing properties, the STEM cell release, is that higher when it's deeper, uh, pressure or high pressure?

Speaker 3: (08:11)
Yes. Yeah. The deeper you go, the more STEM cells are released because it's related to how much oxygen is being infused. The more oxygen infused, the more STEM cells get released. It's a, it's kind of a, it's kind of, it's a direct relationship.

Speaker 2: (08:27)
So do you know the, um, so I remember from the last podcast you're saying, you know, up to 12 times the amount of oxygen can be taken up into the body. Um, it is sad. So it says three atmospheres, there'll be 12 times in it at one and a half atmospheres. That would be, I don't know, somewhere in that for some six, seven times the amount of Mmm. Uh, oxygen that's diffusing. Now, the difference with a hyperbaric is actually, you know, like people will say, well, you know, I put an SPO two of my little thing on my finger and it says I'm 98%. I'm saturated with oxygen, right? How do I get more oxygen in? So what is the different mechanism between normal barracks, uh, pressure and hyperbaric pressure?

Speaker 3: (09:16)
Yeah, it's a question I get a lot, Lisa, and I'm sure you get it a lot too. So a pulse oximeter, it's something you put it on your finger and that measures the arterial oxygen saturation of your red blood cells. So you, red blood cells are what typically carry oxygen from your lungs. When you take a deep breath [inaudible] after going out of your lungs, as they go through the rest of your body and they to release oxygen so that you can make energy without oxygen, you cannot make ATP, which is the energy, energy currency of, of our body. And so you're right, our red blood cell carrying capacity for oxygen at sea level, he's actually quite good. That's when you put a pulsox machine on your finger. You get 97 to a hundred percent if you have normal lungs. So hyperbaric therapy is going to saturate any more sites on the red blood cells where they can carry oxygen.

Speaker 3: (10:08)
If there is like 97% sites, I already occupied those extra 3% will be occupied. But what's actually happening and the power of hyperbaric oxygen therapy in its ability to change this gaseous form of oxygen into a liquid form that actually diffuses directly into the plasma or the liquid of our blood and the liquid of our blood has very little oxygen in it at sea level. And we can diffuse up to 12 times or actually even more than that, a deeper pressures than three ATA, oxygen in circulation. And it's that extra oxygen you cannot get without having also been under pressure at the same time as getting more oxygen as well.

Speaker 2: (10:49)
So then this is really powerful when it comes to say injuries where uh, there's been a blockage to the blood supply to a certain area so that whether that's from a heart attack or a stroke or you know, Mmm. Or even as I presume with crush injuries and certain things like this we are not able to get, Lisa was a blocked in some way that you can actually perfuse the area around the injury with oxygen despite it not going through the blood vessels. Is that, is there a correct way of explaining it or

Speaker 3: (11:25)
know? The way I like to think about it is that you have all this oxygen that's now in circulation and it's kind of like oxygen, just like osmosis. We'll go to the area where there's less of it, so the more oxygen you have in a blood vessel, the more of that oxygen is going to get into the tissue around the blood vessel so you don't have to have as much vascular density potentially to get oxygen to that tissue because we've found a few, so much oxygen inside of that tissue bed itself that it could potentially factor as a way of saving tissue in the acute setting. So like you said, like the acute ischemia is the acute hypoxia is or low oxygen safe that happened with a heart attack. Well you have a lack of a blood flow in a coronary artery or a stroke.

Speaker 3: (12:09)
We have lack of blood flow, an artery in the brain or a spinal cord injury. When you have arteries that are actually broken you can actually get more oxygen to that tissue because you can diffuse more into the tissue bed around the injured blood vessel. It was also good is that when you have an acute injury there's also going to be a lot of swelling and actually injury too. The vessels that are going to cause leakage of that fluid and swelling. And actually in the chamber you actually constrict down blood vessels a little bit and that constriction actually helps you and prevents some of that fluid from releasing. And for some of that swelling to happen, even though you have this constriction of the blood vessel, you've also net had a significant delivery of oxygen to that tissue regardless because we've had all of that oxygen diffuse into the plasma. So Mmm, oxygen carrying capacity in normal settings without pressure is only dependent on how many red blood cells you have. But in a chamber we're pressurizing your body, pressurizing your breath or your whole body really. But when you take a deep breath, that pressurized oxygen is driven into the plasma or your liquid of the blood and that liquid of your, of your blood, it can go much further and diffuse much further into tissues outside of blood vessels as well.

Speaker 2: (13:26)
So for an example was, um, you know, my mom's story with the aneurysm. If I had managed, and of course at this stage I didn't know anything about Harbor about when this first happened, but if I'd been able to get her into a chamber immediately after the event occurred, uh, the cause the inflammation obviously with a broad love and Brian tissue mixing causes inflammation in the skull. Yeah. Um, that would have been hugely beneficial if I've managed to get her in a few times immediately after the event. So after she was stable, yes. Obviously, yeah,

Speaker 3: (14:03)
being stable. So I have some people, I just like to be very clear, you should go to a hospital. Did you have a stroke or you will have a heart attack and don't go to your local hyperbaric provider once you're stabilized. Yes. Um, there are some indications that the sooner that you can get treated in a chamber, the more oxygen you can get to your brain to a certain degree. I mean, not huge amounts. You don't want to go down to three atmospheres because that could be dangerous for your brain, but oxygen to your brain, oxygen to your heart after an acute event is going to save tissue in your brain and save tissue in your heart. [inaudible] they've even done studies looking at people that are getting bypass procedures, coronary bypass procedures. And if they're doing this, they get into a hyperbaric chamber right before, um, they save tissue in their heart so they, they have more harder to function, have better neurologic function after a coronary artery bypass grafting procedure.

Speaker 2: (14:56)
Wow. So, so Dr. Scott, like why is there any place in the world where this is offered in the ICU? You know, in the acute setting where people are coming in with major injuries or strokes or heart attacks or this type of thing where it's actually used as a part of the syrupy and if not, why not? Why is it not everywhere?

Speaker 3: (15:17)
Well to do acute care, hyperbaric therapy, it takes very specialized capability because if you're going to be in there with attendance or you have IVs going and you have others drugs you need to give, it's, it's definitely a specialized service. Um, in Japan, China and Russia, it's used much more in the acute setting than it is in the United States. The U S it has, and it still is used for acute trauma. So if you have like a traumatic ischemia, like we have a traumatic injury to one of your soft tissue areas, for example, it can be used. Um, but in general, um, it's not used as often in the trauma setting in the, in the U S as it is in other countries, especially China, Russia and Japan.

Speaker 2: (16:05)
Right. Okay. And it's not, it's not used here either and it's not even approved. Is it on the, in America, is it an approved treatment for, um, neurological events?

Speaker 3: (16:18)
There's no neurologic indication that's covered right now in the United States. Wow. Yeah.

Speaker 2: (16:23)
Even though it is right,

Speaker 3: (16:24)
I'm going to change that. And I mean the one that has the had the most, I think research behind it in the most interest is traumatic brain injury and concussion. There is definitely some good studies from across the world. M a U S showing how hyperbaric therapy can help people recover from concussion and traumatic brain injuries, which is another name for concussion really either in the short term and like from an acute concussion or even from hello term symptoms that may not go away.

Speaker 2: (16:53)
Yeah, absolutely. So we were talking about like there's different things here that are going on. You've got, it's detecting the inflammation is producing more STEM cells. It's a, it's Oh, sorry. Knocking off senescent cells isn't it? Which are your old cells that are not doing much of anything.

Speaker 3: (17:15)
Yeah, they're called the zombie cells. Right. So, um, can we, I like to think about hyperbaric therapy is, is relatively simply, there's four things that we do in the chamber. The first thing we do is we reverse hypoxia. We've been already talking about that. We reverse low oxygen States by getting more oxygen into circulation and over the longterm a protocol of hyperbaric therapy, create new blood vessels in those areas that have been injured. We're going to play games and then maintain the ability to get blood flow to that tissue over the long term. That's the first thing, reversing hypoxia. The second thing is decreasing inflammation. It does that immediately by constructing down the blood vessels like we talked about, but also over the longterm. It has the ability to shift our epigenetics, change how our body, our DNA expresses certain proteins that are responsible for inflammation.

Speaker 3: (18:07)
Things like TNF alpha, I'll one L six I'll eight and others. The third thing it does is releases a massive number of STEM cells. Those STEM cells all released throughout the body and they hone or they go to areas where there is more inflammation or there's more need for STEM cells to go to those areas and regenerate them. The next thing that happens is that there is, especially in higher oxygen environments, we have the ability to kill bugs, kill bacteria, fungus, and potentially even viruses. A deeper pressures in the chamber. So senescence cell populations look like they do get decreased or they do go down. We're not exactly sure how that's happening. We don't know if that's happening because those cells are being regenerated or if those cells are being killed off and either way is good for the body really. Because when they stick around and they're not replicating, and there we have a high association with cancer, with degenerative disease. Yeah. With aging overall. So senescent cells aren't cool in general. So we want those to go away. Uh, we don't know if that's because new STEM cells are coming and just the other ones are dying or if we're now getting more oxygen to the tissue. And so those cells are getting enough oxygen to regenerate their mitochondria and start making energy more effectively, which is where we make energy in ourselves. We're not sure.

Speaker 2: (19:39)
So the senescent cells are basically cells that have had past their use by date really. And they're not doing much of anything except causing trouble in the body, causing inflammation, causing changes, perhaps even, uh, in closing cancers and so on. Um, so it's really good to be getting rid of those. You mentioned the, um, I was six. Yeah. I are six from memory as one of the ones that they talking about in the Cobra, uh, scenario a that that's so interleukin six is, can you explain, um, I mean obviously we don't know whether it's good for coven Mmm. But is this potentially something that if someone has the Corona virus that they can potentially look at doing to stop the cytokine storm that's actually killing the people?

Speaker 3: (20:30)
Well, we're actually looking into it now. I have several colleagues around the United States that are starting with clinical studies to look at how hyperbaric therapy I can work on two fronts. It can work as a way to get more oxygen to the system as we've been describing it, because one of the things that's happening in covert is that they're getting very, very hypoxic. They're getting very low oxygen levels and we think this has something to do with destruction of the red blood cells or the inability of red blood cells to carry oxygen as effectively. So again, we can bypass that by being in a chamber like I am right now and pressurizing around you. And then as a result of that pressurization, I'm getting more oxygen in circulation regardless of how many red blood cells I have working or not, how many hemoglobin molecules I have working or not.

Speaker 3: (21:16)
So that's one area that we're looking at is how hyperbaric therapy can work. The other area that we're looking at is as, as as an anti-inflammatory. So it does have the ability to downregulate those inflammatory cytokines, one of them being IO six. So maybe helping with that cytokine storm at the same time. We also know for other studies over the years that hyperbaric therapy is and immuno modulator, it helps the immune system function better. Um, so we think in the early part of the process, maybe if coven 19 we don't know yet for sure, but it may help to support the immune system and allow it to sort of weather the storm better as opposed to not weathering it as well. So it's a lot of conjecture right now, Lisa, you know, we don't know for sure how it works or if it's going to work, but there are definitely some of my colleagues around the U S and around the world that are looking at how hyperbaric therapy might be a helpful adjunct to conventional care.

Speaker 3: (22:16)
Maybe prevent people from getting intubated or being on ventilators, which would be a great thing. And so they're looking at that as another having you, and they're also looking at pressurizing the hoods, the hoods that you were in a hyperbaric chamber as a way to get more oxygen into the system without being an hyperbaric chamber as well. So yeah, I've posted a little bit about this on my Instagram because I just find these really intriguing. There is actually one company that's looking to retrofit airplanes. Airplanes are usually pressurized at 8,000 feet above sea level, so they're actually hypoxic environments. There's lower oxygen on and off on an airplane. That's your breathing as opposed to being at sea level. Wow. But what they can do is that they can reverse their pressurization and actually pressurize it. Like a hyperbaric environment. No, you couldn't fly with a plane like this because it would be too heavy, but you can keep it on the ground and and make it a hyperbaric chamber. And you know those oxygen masks that come from the ceiling already, right? So they could use those oxygen masks as a way to get more oxygen into circulation. So this is just one of those sort of crazy ideas. But it's a really interesting idea where you can actually retrofit airplanes to be hyperbaric chambers. Wow.

Speaker 2: (23:31)
Because that's one of the reasons we get jet lag, isn't it? Because we're, we're, we're at this, um, you know, equivalent of 8,000 feet or 2,500 meters. Mmm. Right? So we're just, we were actually coming out with a bit of an altitude situation where you've actually not got enough oxygen and that's adding to the fact that you've been traveling for how many hours and sitting still and not oxygenating. Anyway,

Speaker 3: (23:55)
there's the circadian rhythm piece of it, but you are at low oxygen levels and you are at higher risk for jet lag and infection too, so that's why you have a higher risk for infection when you fly. Not so much because of the sanitation on the plane. Although yeah, the air itself on a plane isn't the cleanest. Yeah, and I'm hoping that one of the things that happens with this whole covert thing is that the air on planes becomes cleaner than it is now. That more is coming from the outside of the plane and be less being research related, but in in in essence the low oxygen environment is, is definitely not helping from your health perspective and like the Dreamliners. Some of the newer planes are pressurized to 6,000 feet above. See instead of the 8,000 you said it helps with jet lag and you add on circadian rhythm changes or helping urge on your circadian rhythms to be in the, the times when you're going on it's going to help significantly and that's what new plans are trying to do and that's a new health. Your hotel rooms are also trying to do as well, new hotel rooms with new lighting and things like that that are happening, which is super cool. But in essence, yes, the airplane itself is a hypo H Y P O Barrick environments. And we can make it and retrofit it to be a hyperbaric environment as well, which, so if you have any extra seven 30 sevens hanging around, let me know and we can work on it.

Speaker 2: (25:14)
There you go. We can got Richard put them together. That sounds really good because flying is one of a really big danger to our health and we've, we've seen the effects of covert going through airplanes, you know, all that sort of, um, um, I just wanted to, to touch on a couple of years, NGO Genesis. Can you explain what angiogenesis is and what is actually happening there in regards to Hochberg?

Speaker 3: (25:42)
Yeah. So angiogenesis is the creation of new blood vessels. And in a hyperbaric chamber, that acute infusion of, of oxygen, it's going to flood the body with more oxygen, but it's not going to create new blood vessels. What happens after a protocol call of hyperbaric therapy is that we have these epigenetic shifts, we have these shifts and expression of DNA and that DNA expression is shifted in a way that more blood vessels are created because of some of the various factors that are released under pressure and under a high oxygen conditions. Those are things like VEGF, which is a very common blood vascular growth factor and others. And we have these new blood vessels that form and they tend to form in areas where there is hypoxic tissue or there is low oxygen in tissue. They tend to form an areas where there have been injuries in the past. And so these new blood vessels which are created allow the sustainability of the results on the effects of hyperbaric therapy to be a longer term play.

Speaker 2: (26:43)
So if you have a heart problem, so you have to ha, you know, you've got a blockage in one of your, your arteries. Um, is this a possible way to get around that blockage without surgery in conjunction with surgery over the longer term enough stations here.

Speaker 3: (27:01)
So we're talking about collateralization of blood vessels, which which would, what I mean by that is that that's the medical term of you basically create collaterals around blockages and that's what a bypass is, right? A bypass procedure is creating ways to go around blockages. It's like, it's like going off the on ramp and taking the service road like around traffic, uh, that stopped and then going back on the service road back onto the freeway after the traffic is over kind of deal. That's a good way to describe it. What a collateral would be like a collateral road. And so hyperbaric therapy can help you create those. And we don't know about the heart specifically though because we haven't done the studies to know. But we do know from the studies that have been done that there is an increase in vascular density in the heart. There's an increase in vascular density in the brain after a protocol of therapy. And so as a result of that, you will have the ability to get more oxygen to tissue because you have more density of blood vessels. No, we haven't done the study looking at people with blocked blood vessels to see what happens under hyperbaric conditions. It just hasn't happened. But the conjecture that we have is that it would potentially help without collateralization. It goes off roads, service road kinds of ideas.

Speaker 2: (28:18)
Yeah. Going around, I heard, um, that DHEA is an interesting one for the main, at the uh, uh, erectile dysfunction can be helped with hyperbaric oxygen therapy, creating new new blood PA angiogenesis for that sort of a problem. Is that correct?

Speaker 3: (28:35)
Yeah, it's the same deal. I mean the, the physiology of hyperbaric therapy, it goes everywhere. Your, your full body is oxygenated. So decreasing inflammation, reversing hypoxia, the STEM cell release and killing bugs happens anywhere and that includes regenerating blood vessels in, in a penis or and uh, in areas around the heart or in areas that have degenerated otherwise. And so they did a study looking at erectile dysfunction in males that were relatively healthy and their erectile function improved after, I think it was 6,600 hyperbaric chamber treatments. And so that's new blood vessels that are getting created, a new blood vessel, low vascular flow and the penis. And so we have indications that happens in women as well with, with vaginal flow. But we don't have the studies to show that. Right. Often we'll get the, uh, the feedback from women and men that sex life is better in, in hyperbaric. There's people that have gotten hyperbaric therapy.

Speaker 2: (29:38)
That's a good reason.

Speaker 3: (29:40)
Yeah.

Speaker 3: (29:41)
Well, yeah, there are some studies on infertility already, uh, in helping with fertility because it helps getting it a deeper pressure helped, helps with the uterine lining. The uterine lining itself will, um, we'll get thicker under hyperbaric conditions we think. And then as a result of that, there's a higher chance for the embryo, the embryo to be implanted. And so if you have a thinner uterine lining, you can pick it up potentially in the chamber. So this is used already in Russia and in China as a fertility treatments actually quite commonly in the West and the U S it's not very common.

Speaker 2: (30:19)
No, I haven't come across the same one. You know, you the troubles with fertility for years. [inaudible] um, I'm going to get in there even more often now. That's not the reason.

Speaker 3: (30:31)
Just to be clear though, this is at the deeper pressures.

Speaker 2: (30:34)
Oh yeah.

Speaker 3: (30:34)
It's shown effect. So this is at like two atmospheres, 2.4.

Speaker 2: (30:38)
The 1.5 why won't quite cut it so that, that sort of a problem. It probably can't hurt Kenneth.

Speaker 3: (30:44)
I don't think it would hurt. No. I mean, but there are certain things that I don't recommend going at less pressure. Uh, and that I'm pretty emphatic about. So the things that I don't feel are likely well-treated at 1.3 are any open wounds. Any open wounds really need to be treated at deeper pressures. If you have any ongoing infections. I don't, I feel for the most part, that 1.3 atmosphere is enough. Really. I see a significant benefit unless it's an it, a bug that does not like oxygen environments. And then in that case maybe, but the deeper pressures would likely still be better. Yeah. If you have any chemical sensitivities, these chambers can sometimes make them worse because they're made out of a plastic material. And that plastic material, uh, does off gas to some degree. And I do find that some of my patients that are highly sensitive, so plastics and to chemicals, uh, will not feel good in these kinds of chambers either.

Speaker 3: (31:46)
If you have any of the FDA approved conditions in my country, I don't recommend using a soft chamber either. Those should be done in deep pressures. The only approved indication for these chambers, assault chambers, that's insurance coverage in the U S is acute mountain sickness. So you go up a mountain too fast, you get signs of altitude sickness, you can get into one of these chambers and you can feel better pretty quickly. And that's, you know, one of the reasons why I have some interests in, Oh, there has been interested in coven 19 specifically because they're thinking that some of the physiology is similar. Yeah. Altitude tickets, how people are, how responding to the virus.

Speaker 2: (32:30)
So, so, so most of those, um, so since only the only thing that, uh, Molotov America is approved for is mountain, even though there are, but, um, from, from, yep. Okay.

Speaker 3: (32:45)
There are studies to show that these pressures can be beneficial for brain related conditions. Yes, yes.

Speaker 2: (32:52)
Yep. Mmm. That's interesting. So, so oxygen oxidative stress was the next thing I wanted to touch on. So, so w when we think of oxidative stress, we think that that's a negative thing. Generally. You know, we should, we need to get rid of the oxidants in our body and we need antioxidants and we need to detox and so on. So why isn't this case oxidative stress? Not a bad thing. What is it [inaudible] is it an oxidative stress?

Speaker 3: (33:19)
Well, there's a lot of things in life that are good for us that are oxidative stress. One of the most common, hopefully his exercise exercise creates inflammation and oxidative stress. Body responds with the ability to produce antioxidants. And then as a result of those anti-oxidants being released, the body has a way of compensating and then growing stronger. And that's what's happening inside a hyperbaric chamber. Every single thing that's happening almost in a hyperbaric environment is because of oxidative stress. The only thing that's not as a result of oxidative stress is purely the oxygen infusion that's getting more oxygen to the cells and that's allowing more energy to be produced, but everything else, of course, that's very important, but everything else, the oxidative stress causes those epigenetic changes that are happening on the DNA. It causes is that STEM cell release, it causes that inflammatory downregulation.

Speaker 3: (34:17)
It causes those that vasoconstriction, that constriction of blood vessels that could be injured during an acute event, so it's oxidative stress that initially spurs the system to have a cataclysmic cataclysmic. Yup. Okay. That sounds almost like like a catastrophe. I mean, yeah. Yeah. Basically, you know, it's a huge catalyst for change. Cataclysmic and catalysts are not the same word, but I had a huge catalyst for change. But what happens is that the body, just like with exercise, has a significant ability to have a reactive antioxidant search and that antioxidant surge, it happens and equates or balances out all that oxidative stress or the oxidative stress that we gave the body initially. So it's important for me when I'm thinking about hyperbaric protocols, I think about the person in front of me, I think is this person, somebody that has the ability to have a re the reactive antioxidant surge to balance out that oxidative stress. Because if you're not healthy, if you are sick, if you're inflamed, if you have lots of chronic conditions you made, do be depleted in various things that could make it difficult for you to do this. And that's why I'm very emphatic when I can and when there's time to consider a foundational of cellular health, looking at vitamins, minerals, nutrients, antioxidant levels, looking at signs of gut dysbiosis and immune system function to understand how well somebody is going to do in the chamber before they get in.

Speaker 2: (35:54)
So that, that's a perfect segue because I wanted to go into, um, the whole foundational health, uh, and, and, and also adjunctive therapies too. Hyperbaric. Um, so it started with a couple of things like Mmm. You know, like taking things like vitamin C infusions before going into hyperbaric, uh, doing the keto diet or exogenous ketones in combination with hyperbaric. Mmm. And then looking as the next step and the conversation into the foundational things which really need to be addressed as well. Um, so they start with it junked of therapies that will benefit from a hyperbaric in combination.

Speaker 3: (36:40)
Sure. So yeah, that's a good segue I feel before getting into adjunctive, it's important I think to describe that I jumped in. Therapies can definitely synergize together, but it's really important I feel to have a good sense of your own foundational biology before you start stacking therapies on top of each other. Because synergistic tools that are both potentially oxydative, IB, vitamin C, and I can direct therapy, it can be very helpful. However, if you don't have the capacity to physiologically benefit from it or potentially have side effects as a result of the too much oxidative stress, it could be detrimental. So when I think about stacking therapies, I often try to take it a step back and say, okay, let's look at that foundation assessment first. Like your vitamins, your minerals, your nutrients, you're announcing the levels. That's the reprogram that I have that I, that I work with called health optimization medicine, which was founded by a colleague of mine named dr Ted Archer, COSO.

Speaker 3: (37:43)
And I work as the C Oh of our nonprofit that's educating doctors on how to do this. And I also have my own clinic concierge virtual clinic, really in the Bay area in San Francisco, working with clients across the U S across the world. So once I've done that, once I've looked at that foundational biology, then I think about therapies that can stack on top of hyperbarics or with it. One of the things that I think about is a low level light there. There'll be a low level light technologies because lights have the ability to get more oxygen to tissue by dilating the blood vessels in that area. And so if you're dilating various blood vessels in an area, you can then get more oxygen to that area. So that's one way for some specific spectrums of light to help. Um, infrared light is also really good for detoxification.

Speaker 3: (38:33)
So I often combine hyperbaric therapy with detox publication strategies and one of them being infrared light, I think about post electromagnetic field technologies. Wow. Those are micro circulatory pulses of electromagnetic fields that can help with circulation. And then increasing circulation is going to help you benefit in a hyperbaric chamber as well because you're getting more tissue oxygenated because there's more tissue that's dilated in blood vessels. And so we can help there. I also think about using various technologies inside of a hyperbaric chamber. If you're in a software like this one because then now you can bring in things that are portable and then you can do brain training like neurofeedback for example. And you can do other types of brain training and using computers or iPads or whatever, doing certain things to sort of work on your multitasking capabilities and, and the like. And you can do a lot of other different things. But those are some of the things that come to mind.

Speaker 2: (39:31)
Wow. This is what really getting into the whole, you know, optimizing in, in high performance and being able to, to stack the different biohacks if you like. And the different things on top of each other. I'm very interested in the infrared light therapy and um, have some of the products from vital light. Um, again, something that I've used in conjunction with, uh, for mums rehab. Mmm. And uh, very interested in the PME if I haven't had a chance to, to go down that route, but very keen cost prohibitive to have that at home unfortunately. Um, so there are so many amazing things in the biohacking world if you like, where we can actually, uh, sat to look with relatively low risk, um, the lights therapy. Um, it's an interesting one. Also the detrimental effects of blue light coming from our computer screens, stuff like that.

Speaker 2: (40:28)
Um, yeah and that's um, you know, probably a topic for another day. But what I did want to go into is as you work with dr Ted COSO who I would love to get on the show as well. He's amazing. Um, so dr Ted, uh, is from the Philippines and he has a um, uh, he has health optimization, Madison and so you are the CEO of that company. Can you tell us, well dr tin has created his own own hole. What would you call it, system of looking at so meter below mix the hollow biome. Can you explain what the heck those are? Cause I'm sure nobody listening to this podcast would have come across those terms yet. Sure, no problem.

Speaker 3: (41:16)
Yeah. So dr ten's an anti-aging doctor. He, uh, we specialize in antiaging medicine and then created his own practice that looks right. Two, I think take the best of conventional medicine. And then the best of what was under the radar in conventional medicine, which is called metabolomics, which is the field of study that we look at real time cellular metabolites. So the real time factors that are making ourselves work. And we can measure all of this. This is something that I didn't know when I was in medical school that you can actually do, but you can actually measure all of these various factors and understand how the body is making energy, how the body is processing your various foods into like from macronutrients all the way down to micronutrients, understanding how we can measure antioxidant levels. And so you can do all this. And so what Ted developed was a way to do this sort of like in the 80 20 framework, which is 80% of the benefit for 20% of the testing and focusing that testing on health and not focusing on any specific disease or condition and setting that aside for the moment and, and just doing, Mmm.

Speaker 3: (42:25)
More testing related to health and health focus. And so the program itself has seven pillars, but they all comprise what's called the hollow biomes. H, O, L, O, B, I, O, N, T. And this is the idea that we are not just an individual in a population, but we're actually up population of organisms or individuals together in ourselves, in it of ourselves. So we are made up of fungus, virus, bacteria, human. And then we're also made up of the, the metabolites or the production, the toxins and the other things that are in environment. That's all happening all on our cellular level that we can see. So the idea is to create a program for people that uses all of that data that we can measure and understanding where it's coming from and then how to optimize and balance. So the first pillar is metabolomics, which is looking at the cellular data.

Speaker 3: (43:25)
Another one is epigenetics or looking at how our environment and how are exposures overall change how our epigenetics are or express or how our DNA is expressed through epigenetics, looking at chronobiology or circadian rhythms and how light especially affects our circadian rhythms, looking at the gut immune system. So that's our gut microbiota and in detail how our gut is a very significant indicator of our overall health and our immune health and neurologic and psychologic health are all related to our gut, just on some level looking at evolutionary biology. So the idea is that we have trade offs in our evolution that some certain traits will help us when we're younger, but actually be a detriment to us when we're older. And also how our evolutionary biology is related to our ancestry. So where our ancestry as well also indicate where we should potentially best focus our diet and our and how we change it depending on seasons, et cetera. And there's also the bioenergetics pillar, which is related to energy production, other cellular level. And that's mostly our mitochondria as well, where we're making energy and exposomics, which is the study of toxins, the toxins in our environment. But in essence, this is what we call our whole bio. And we can use about 500 or so data, measure measures to look at measures of all of these things and then create programs for our clients using those metrics and these pillars. [inaudible] really optimize health over the longterm. That's the idea.

Speaker 2: (45:09)
Wow. So that's just, this is, this is unsigned and something that I'm hoping to study in that in the future. Once I get through the next lot of study, it's just seems to be one

Speaker 3: (45:19)
the chamber you can study.

Speaker 2: (45:21)
I do. I was yesterday sitting in there listening to all your lectures and preparing for today's podcast. It's a brilliant way to do it and it just seems so much to learn. Mmm. And I'm very interested in dr Tibbs work and um, you know, coming to grips with it. Um, you know, we, we, we do something in our company, you know, if the genetic testing was that dr Alberto Gralise work and we're finding that absolutely. Yeah. Fascinating. Now, adding in the functional genomics into that with document's or Mohammed's work, uh, it just gives another lens at another lens to be able to look through. And the microbiome is an, is an area anyways, you know, um, you can't have one without the other. I just wish there was more hours on a day to day to deep misinformation.

Speaker 3: (46:08)
It's a network, Lisa. I think that's what you're going at, right? It's a network effect. Our body doesn't work in silos. You don't just have a heart, you just don't have a brain. You don't just have a gut. They all work together. It's this beautiful symphony. Mmm. Bacteria, virus cells, humans, human cells, mitochondria, which can be classified potentially as bacteria cells as well. Probably back in the day became or came from bacteria that combined with another type of cell that didn't have oxygen capabilities. And that's our, so we have all these things working together. We have hormones working together. We have chemical factories called cytokines working together, um, from a distance. Nothing has to be right next to each other to get there. We have blood vessels, we have lymphatics, we have nerves and other different types of channels to get things. So where they need to go with neurotransmitters.

Speaker 3: (47:00)
And so it's very difficult to just boil it down. So just a couple of things. I think where the future is going, there's a great article that I loved. It was actually, I think published about six months ago. It was at, it was actually published at Stanford, they called it the narcissism like narcissistic, right? The idea that you'll know everything about yourself, you're no your jeans, you'll know you're genomics, your proteomics, which are the proteins get from genes, you'll know your epigenomics, you'll know you're metabolomics and you will be able to use all this data to create a personalized understanding of you, your risk factors, but also what's actually happening to you right now and getting ideas of what you need to do now so that you can optimize over the longterm. The problem with just looking at genomics is that yeah, it gives you risks of what you may have, but it doesn't tell you actually what's happening.

Speaker 3: (47:56)
That's what metabolomics does. And so the narcissism is the idea that you have access to all this information and access to the data that's being, I studied as a result of this information too. So anyway, I think we're all gonna have those in our pocket books at some point in the next two years. It's a fascinating to be able to have all of that and to be able to look through these different lenses and to look at the person as a whole. And I think that's where, um, you know, allopathic medicine has had its limitations and that every specialty is very siloed in, in not necessarily communicating with. Right. Hmm. It's still too siloed and the brain does a work independently of the knee and the, you know, whatever the case might be. Mmm. Is it interconnected, focused on, in the past I'm saying would that would be a fear?

Speaker 3: (48:52)
Well, because as human beings, we try to simplify things as much as possible. There's very good reasons for that. Um, and I'm not, I'm going to be against it, but I think it's important that you have certain people that specialized in organs and do the work that they do and be very, very good at it. But it's like not having a primary care doctor, I'm just going to see a specialist. If you're just in the conventional world, what's going to happen is that you just get opinions in the very singular lens of that particular organ system. So it doesn't look at the big picture. And then you look outside the conventional system and you have to think about this larger, this larger understanding to really get a good holistic, comprehensive plan I feel of of how to maintain your health over the longterm. Cause if you're just looking at, I want to optimize my heart function, I want optimize my, my brains function.

Speaker 3: (49:48)
It's like, well what about your gut? You know, what about your antioxidant levels? What about your, see, what about you're motion in your feet and how that's affecting your back. And there's all these other aspects of things that are important. So I tend to work with people that look at more of a holistic view of movement and holistic view of health with whatever capacity. And I do my best to help people across the world in not only hyperbaric therapy, but helping them understand the best ways to approach their goals from a holistic perspective. And so I do, I think you remember, I do virtual consultations, education, advocacy for hyperbaric across the world. And I love new challenges and ways to people. I mean, I often get the thing, it's the same things over and over again, but I love when new things kind of pop up and I go, Oh, that's super interesting. And then I get to harness the network that I've created across the world to really help people. And a lot of these things, things can be done remotely now, which is great, which is even even better given that most of us are stuck in our homes. No, anyway, at the moment, given the whole pandemic thing, I was talking to my hyperbaric chamber for a little while longer, which I'm not too sad about that.

Speaker 2: (50:58)
And, and you know, I find this just such a refreshing approach that you, you know, as a doctor, as a medical doctor, an internal doctor who's looked outside of the box you had on your website somewhere or some somewhere I read, you know, the box was broken a long ago. Um, you don't all to confine yourself to one way of thinking or one.

Speaker 3: (51:18)
There was never a box

Speaker 2: (51:20)
for me, Lisa.

Speaker 3: (51:23)
It was actually, I created a box after not having a box and then I broke it open again. I grew up because I'm the son of a chiropractor who didn't have a box. There was no such thing. And so aye created some sides of that box and some, you know, some stingy walls and pretty thin walls when I went to medical school. So I could learn what I needed to learn and then now use that information and work within that framework when necessary in the conventional framework, but also knowing that they're clumsy and that it's easy to get outside of those walls and we should, especially if there's time, if there's time to work unconventionally than work on unconventionally. If there isn't a time work eventually, but also do unconventional things if you can and you could do them side by side. And that's one of the things I specialize in too is understanding that most things in life are not mutually exclusive and you don't always have time to wait for one or the other. And sometimes you just kind of have to throw the bus at it in a very methodical way to help it. I know that's what you did with your mom.

Speaker 2: (52:31)
Yeah. By Sigma. Yeah. A multifaceted Chuck everything. It started them out at the wall and I'd hope some of it sticks. [inaudible] it has,

Speaker 3: (52:41)
yeah. Throw shit at the wall is like is the nice way of saying it for maybe the nonsense nice way of saying

Speaker 2: (52:46)
and, and

Speaker 3: (52:47)
you do that in a methodical way and that's the important, the thing that I try to emphasize is that there has to be a physiologic reason and they have to be done, at least if it's, yeah. If it's a recommendation for me, it's have to be done in a methodical way that you kind of understand what's happening. And w the factors that are playing and not just throwing shit at the wall without a plan of what shit is going at the wall. At what time

Speaker 2: (53:10)
and looking at the risk reward. Yeah. And then making sure that you're not, um, and you know, for someone like, so, you know, if my nature is, is very much a dive in and just have a crack and, um, you know, sometimes they have to pull myself back and go hang a minute. The risks too high here or yeah.

Speaker 3: (53:29)
Words. So

Speaker 2: (53:31)
yeah, it's really, it's, you know, it's one thing to do it on yourself. It's another thing with other people in being able to,

Speaker 3: (53:40)
yeah. What I was saying is that as a new Zealander, you're, you're known for your risk taking. So sometimes you gotta you gotta you gotta bring it back in a notch there.

Speaker 2: (53:48)
Exactly. Yup. Too much adrenaline. You can say it in my epigenetics, my ring finger is longer than my index finger. I've got too much to drink. Nice. Um, but you know, like doctor dr Cher, you know, we'll wrap up in a second, but I just wanted to thank you so much because the advocacy that you're doing, the work, the connections that you're boating, the network, you really are the worlds having age of, of, of Oh this new, whatever the says that sets happening with us as personalized health, uh, this new paradigm shifts. And um, I'm excited to get your message out there. So if any of the lessons sitting out there, we'd like to talk to Dr. Scott because obviously he's a super expert in everything from a hyperbaric right through to metabolomics and the holiday BYOD. Um, if you would like a bitch or a consultation with doctors, dr shear, where can they go doctor?

Speaker 3: (54:43)
So for my consultation work, my education and advocate, you can see work, I do it all through my, my website. It's integrative HBO t.com

Speaker 2: (54:52)
integrated kioti.com.

Speaker 3: (54:54)
Yeah. And then if you could also disconnect with me on Instagram to add Dr. Scott [inaudible], S C O T T S H E R R. And I also, we can set some things up through that as well if people have interest. I've been looking to post more and get more out there for people. And I know I've been doing podcasts for awhile but I feel like smaller little bits of information are helpful too given the attention deficits of our current state of affairs. So I have this like funny airplane pillow around my neck there. That's better. Okay. Um, so it was nice when I was in the other position. Um, but so those are the two major places that I do my education, advocacy and consultation. I also have a new Facebook group actually just set up called optimize H optimize HBO T with Dr. Scott Cher.

Speaker 3: (55:43)
And this is a really fun one. I'm looking to have a location where we all can kind of get along in the hyperbaric community. They have like the heart chamber advocates and the salt chamber advocates and you have to be able to know a lot about having barrier therapy in that, you know, very little. And my hope is to create a platform where we can kind of all come together and I'm going to be creating content and curating content with a team of people to hopefully bring, I think I hope the community together a little bit more and bring more information out there. So that's a new, that's a new one that I've just come out with.

Speaker 2: (56:16)
I'm definitely count me in, count me in. I'm definitely an advocate for all of us. And um, want to share, you know, um, I've just sent you actually a copy of my book. I don't know if it'll get through when the covert situation, but I really want the story to get out.

Speaker 3: (56:32)
Yeah. For sure.

Speaker 2: (56:33)
Yeah,

Speaker 3: (56:34)
we'll hear that story.

Speaker 2: (56:35)
Yeah. And that's like 250 and counting hyperbaric sessions so far.

Speaker 3: (56:41)
That's amazing what you and your mom has done. It's really beautiful.

Speaker 2: (56:44)
That is really beautiful. So Dr. Scott, thank you so much. I'll put all those links for everybody in the show notes today. I really appreciate your time. Um, it's very, very precious to me and I really, really grateful for you doing all this work. So thank you very much. Okay,

Speaker 3: (57:00)
and you, Lisa. Thanks for all your hard work and your advocacy and it's been my pleasure to be on your podcast, my first one in the hyperbaric chamber.

Speaker 1: (57:09)
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Brain Health And Photobiomodulation With Dr Marvin Berman06 Jun 202401:08:36

In this weeks episode I interview founder of the The Quiet Mind Foundation Dr Marvin Berman Ph.D., C.B.T., he is specialised in Photobiomodulation psychology and EEG Biofeedback expert.

Alzheimers is set to become one of the biggest health issues

Key Projections:

World Health Organization (WHO): Estimates suggest that the number of people living with dementia, including Alzheimer's disease, will reach 65.7 million by 2030.

Alzheimer's Association: Projections indicate that the number of Americans age 65 and older with Alzheimer's disease may grow from 6.2 million in 2021 to 8.5 million by 2030.

Global Prevalence: By 2030, it is expected that there will be around 76 million people worldwide living with dementia, primarily Alzheimer's disease.

These estimates highlight the growing public health challenge posed by Alzheimer's disease as populations age. Efforts in research, treatment, and prevention are critical to addressing this impending increase in cases.

In this episode we fight back against this coming tide.

We discuss the history of PBM and it's application in a wide range of neurodegenerative diseases from Alzheimers and dementia to Parkinsons, stroke and aneurysm to traumatic brain injury to brain fog and the effects of long covid and beyond. If you have a brain and you want to preserve it then this is a must listen to episode. 

We now have the technology and the research to reverse cognitive decline, no longer is the diagnosis of one of these terrible diseases, a death sentence. 

We can proactively address many of the underlying issues. We discuss the thesis of the 36 holes in the roof  approach that Dr Dale Bredesen  (a previous guest on the show) teaches in addressing cognitive decline and how PBM covers off 34 of these and how combined with lifestyle interventions and supplementation etc we have the power to save our brains.


BIO
Dr. Marvin Berman earned his Master's and PhD in Psychoeducational Processes from Temple University, where he studied group and organizational behavior. He obtained certification in Bioenergetic Analysis at the Philadelphia Institute for Bioenergetic Analysis in 1983. He has participated in extensive post-graduate training and in Systems-Centered Therapy, and the Feldenkrais Method. He was certified in EEG biofeedback in 2003. Dr. Berman is a recognized thought leader in the application of photobiomodulation and EEG biofeedback and related technologies to better understand neurodegenerative, neurodevelopmental and neuropsychiatric disorders. Dr. Berman consults with academic neuroscience researchers, healthcare providers, and integrative healthcare clinics on the application of photobiomodulation and neurofeedback. 

 

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Cancer Treatments: Starve Cancer, Be Free From It with Jane McLelland06 Jan 202201:18:22

Cancer treatments in modern medicine often have long-lasting and harmful side effects. While modern treatments like chemotherapy can be useful in some cases, not all cancer patients need to — or should — resort to it.  When cancers aggressively develop, patients are often told how many weeks they have left to live. Why is this the case when there is still hope to be free from cancer? 

Research and clinical studies have found natural therapies and dieting are possible cancer treatments. The truth is, you can starve cancer cells without harming your body!

In this episode, Jane McLelland, author of How to Starve Cancer, discusses how cancer develops in the body and what causes dysfunctional mitochondria. She shares the importance of starving cancer cells and why cancer treatments should vary based on the type you have. Don't lose hope; you can beat cancer. Understand how it works metabolically and you’ll soon be on the path to recovery.  

If you want to learn more about beating cancer by starving it, then this episode is for you!

Here are three reasons why you should listen to the full episode:
  1. Understand how cancer develops in our bodies and why mRNA can help us detect early cancer. 
  2. Learn why there is no one correct approach to cancer treatment. Instead, focus on understanding the principle of starving cancer by blocking specific pathways. 
  3. Discover Jane’s recommendations on what to focus on for cancer treatment. 
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My latest book Relentless chronicles the inspiring journey about how my mother and I defied the odds after an aneurysm left my mum Isobel with massive brain damage at age 74. The medical professionals told me there was absolutely no hope of any quality of life again. Still, I used every mindset tool, years of research and incredible tenacity to prove them wrong and bring my mother back to full health within three years. Get your copy here: https://shop.lisatamati.com/collections/books/products/relentless.

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Resources Episode Highlights [04:40] Why Jane Wrote ‘How to Starve Cancer’
  • Jane shares that she was first diagnosed with cancer when she was 30. Her cancer developed to an advanced stage over a prolonged screening.
  • Her mother had stage-IV breast cancer and passed away a few years later. 
  • As her cancer developed further, Jane felt that the medical industry wasn’t helping her enough. 
  • There was already research on how glucose serves as a fuel for cancer. However, Jane found out that cancer can also metabolise glutamine and protein — even lipids. 
  • Jane wrote her book to help people starve cancer without starving themselves. Starving cancer is about being blocking the different chemical pathways that cancer uses. 
[13:10] How Cancer Develops
  • In 1924, Warburg found that cancer cells use sugar up to 20 times more than normal cells; this an indication that cancer is a metabolic disease. 
  • Jane argues that cancer is linked to the microenvironment and often develops when a patient has inflammation.   
  • Inflammation can develop due to obesity, exposure to carcinogens, and more.
  • Hormonal influences can also promote cancer growth. These influences include exposure to xenoestrogen, plastics, microwaves, and microplastics. 
  • These influences can change mRNA to trigger changes in the mitochondrial DNA, leading to cancer development. 
[19:25] How to Detect Early Cancer
  • You can prevent cancer as long as you understand what’s causing it. 
  • Dysfunctional mitochondria are a symptom and not the cause. 
  • It's critical to look at changes in the mRNA to detect early cancer.  
[20:47] Learn to be Careful about what You Take
  • There isn’t a lot of data regarding mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccines and their long-term effects on the human immune system.
  • We need to be careful about what we’re putting in our bodies and their potential consequences. 
  • For example, high doses of Vitamin E and NAC may be inappropriate for specific cancers. 
  • Jane shares that small doses of NAC can be beneficial when you're trying to kill cancer and improve immunity post-chemotherapy.
  • Stopping glutamine transport is also helpful to block fuel transport to cancer cells.    
[25:45] There’s no One Solution for Cancer
  • Cancers work differently and can have different fuel sources. No single approach will beat all cancer types. 
  • For example, B cell lymphoma is responsive to ferroptosis. However, you need to ensure that this method kills only the cancer cells and does not affect the brain. 
  • HDAC inhibitors are also viable cancer treatments.  
[30:31] How Homocysteine can Help or Worsen Your Condition
  • Jane recommends having low to normal homocysteine levels by sometimes taking vitamin B. Cysteine can help provide backup replenishment for cells. 
  • When you're trying to induce ferroptosis and have high homocysteine, the cancer cells may utilise the homocysteine instead. 
  • This is why your homocysteine levels should be low before starting ferroptosis for cancer treatment. 
[32:08] There are Better Cancer Treatments
  • Most medical practitioners are often not updated with the latest clinical studies and tend to dismiss them. 
  • For example, high doses of Vitamin C can be used as a pharmaceutical, and not an antioxidant.
  • There are ways to treat terminal illnesses even when medical professionals tell you otherwise.  
[43:50] Don’t Focus on Only One Phase of Cancer
  • Jane’s book is a simplified discussion of cancer metabolism and how cancer develops. 
  • Current cancer treatments often don’t focus on earlier phases of cancer development.
  • You need to tackle every phase of cancer and stop the tumour environment that helps cancer grow. Diet can make a huge difference.  
  • Ketones and hydroxybutyrate are also HDAC inhibitors and can help with ferroptosis.
  • Hyperbaric oxygen therapy can also help since cancer cells can't thrive with high oxygen levels. 
[49:18] Cancer Treatment is Different Per Phase
  • Lisa shares that her mother is currently following the Riordan Protocol. They use a blend of Vitamin C, hyperbaric oxygen therapy, and ketones.
  • Fenugreek can help stimulate the production of free radicals, but you need to avoid antioxidants like luteolin and green tea. 
  • You need to ensure you're getting the desired effect in the right phase. The kill phase tends to be more specific. 
  • In the full episode, Jane discusses how berberine and metformin can help lower cancer markers. 
[54:29] Jane’s Recommendations
  • Jane recommends being careful with taking DCA since some brands can cause inflammation. 
  • Deoxy glucose is like fake glucose that the body recognises as glucose, but cancer cells don't. 
  • Melatonin can block glycolysis pathways. 
  • Jane recommends being selective when taking her course. You don’t need to learn about every single pathway. She recommends focusing on glycolysis, glutamine, fats, and lipids. 
  • Jane shares what she did to block her cancer pathways in the full episode.    
[1:01:55] Remember, It’s about the Metabolic Pathway
  • Over the years, starving cancer has become the critical key to curing cancer. 
  • Remember that cancer is about the metabolic pathway. You need to have the right combination of supplements and cancer treatments.
7 Powerful Quotes

[01:51] "...if you're at all affected by cancer in your family, if you have high-risk factors, one in six of us is going to get cancer at some stage in our lives, and you need to know this stuff."

 

[09:11] "...the trick was trying to find ways that would actually starve the cancer without having to go on starving yourself."

 

[16:44] "I think a lot of people stop the estrogen, and I think it's a good idea, in many cases, to reduce or your estrogen exposure. That can be plastics, it can be cooking in the microwave, just all sorts of, you know. Now, it's just about everywhere. We've got tiny bits of microplastic in the air as well now. It's just pervasive."

 

[18:29] "There are these viruses that can cause cancer, and I think it's a combination of the influence of kind of like these things acting a bit like a parasite."

 

[23:38] "People should have the choice of doing that [going unvaccinated] if they want to run that risk. But the problem is it's putting other people at risk, and you get slated."

 

[27:03] "You have to tailor your approach a little bit. Is it feeding more on glutamine? Is it feeding more —? What are the mutations?"

 

[35:50] "...you have to fight for your rights. You really do. When it comes to this, they don't have the answer for cancer."

 

[53:10] "But it's all about getting the correct effect..you've got to be a little bit careful that what you're doing with one thing doesn't counteract something else. "

 

About Jane

Jane McLelland trained as a Chartered Physiotherapist and was able to win the Sarah Leeson Memorial Award as a promising student. She then worked in the NHS and private practice for 12 years, specialising in orthopaedics and neurology. From 1994 to 2004, Jane battled two aggressive terminal cancers. For that reason, she put together a cancer-starving formula using natural therapies, exercise, and diet to save herself.

After her recovery, Jane advocated for off label drugs for cancer therapy and wrote the book How to Starve Cancer. In 2019, she won the title of "Amazing Women Global" from the Lifetime Achievement Award. 

Interested in Jane’s work? Check out her website

You can also connect with her on Twitter, LinkedIn, and email (info@howtostarvecancer.com). 



Photobiomodulation - What it is and how it helps with Dr Lew Lim04 Jan 202200:54:27

In today’s modern world, we have seen numerous advances and progresses in the medical sciences each day. There is an even high demand for non-invasive procedures to maintain physical and mental health. In this episode, we are joined by Dr. Lew Lim as he talks about photobiomodulation (PBM). He shares his journey in studying and inventing this therapeutic procedure for over 30 years.

According to Dr. Lim, when talking about photobiomodulation, they mean the use of red and near-infrared light. This kind of light is used in low-level laser therapy. He explains how this light is absorbed by the mitochondria in your cells during the procedure. Then, it relieves pain or stimulates and enhances cell function.

Want to know the benefits of photobiomodulation in your body, specifically, your brain? Then, this episode is created for you. You will gain an insight into the biochemical processes behind this procedure. And how it shows promising results in medicine, especially, in treating certain diseases.

Here are three things you’ll learn from this episode:
  1. Discover how Dr. Lew Lim’s journey in studying photobiomodulation and how it can stimulate the brain to promote healing
  2. Learn the important role of the mitochondria in photobiomodulation
  3. Find out more about the benefits of photobiomodulation in our health and well-being
About Dr Lew Dr Lew Lim, PhD, MD, MBA has been studying photobiomodulation (PBM) and low-level light therapy for over 30 years. In the mid 1990's he invented intranasal photobiomodulation as a non-invasive method of introducing therapeutic photonic energy into the human body. He is the founder of vielight.com which brings intranasal and transcranial devices using photobiomodulation to the consumer.

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When extreme endurance athlete, Lisa Tamati, was confronted with the hardest challenge of her life, she fought with everything she had. Her beloved mother, Isobel, had suffered a huge aneurysm and stroke and was left with massive brain damage; she was like a baby in a woman's body. The prognosis was dire. There was very little hope that she would ever have any quality of life again. But Lisa is a fighter and stubborn.

She absolutely refused to accept the words of the medical fraternity and instead decided that she was going to get her mother back or die trying.

This book tells of the horrors, despair, hope, love, and incredible experiences and insights of that journey. It shares the difficulties of going against a medical system that has major problems and limitations. Amongst the darkest times were moments of great laughter and joy.

Relentless will not only take the reader on a journey from despair to hope and joy, but it also provides information on the treatments used, expert advice and key principles to overcoming obstacles and winning in all of life's challenges. It will inspire and guide anyone who wants to achieve their goals in life, overcome massive obstacles or limiting beliefs. It's for those who are facing terrible odds, for those who can't see light at the end of the tunnel. It's about courage, self-belief, and mental toughness. And it's also about vulnerability... it's real, raw, and genuine.

This is not just a story about the love and dedication between a mother and a daughter. It is about beating the odds, never giving up hope, doing whatever it takes, and what it means to go 'all in'. Isobel's miraculous recovery is a true tale of what can be accomplished when love is the motivating factor and when being relentless is the only option.

 

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Best Strategies on Managing Stress in a Fast-Paced Life with Damian Porter30 Dec 202101:01:50

How well do you think you’re managing your stress? If you work in a fast-paced environment, this can be difficult. We tend to power through our tasks and stress, but this can lead to burnout in the long run. Burnout can then result in anxiety and depression that can make it even harder to deal with stress. Stop the cycle by going back to the basics and learn to manage your sleep and support your body with ketones!

In this episode, Damian Porter shares how he has adapted to his busy and high-pressure lifestyle as a firefighter and former Special Forces operator. Even though his training made him relentless, he has also learned the value of working smarter rather than harder. When trying to manage stress, make sure that you’re getting good quality sleep. Ketones can also help manage stress and can reduce anxiety by as much as 40%!

If you want to learn more about managing stress in a fast-paced or high-pressure lifestyle, then this episode is for you!

Here are three reasons why you should listen to the full episode:
  1. Discover how Damian can keep up with fast-paced and stressful situations as a former Special Forces operator and firefighter.
  2. Understand that you can manage your stress if you support your body properly. Sleep is the first step.
  3. Learn how ketones, specifically exogenous ketones, can help you lower stress, manage weight loss and more!
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My latest book Relentless chronicles the inspiring journey about how my mother and I defied the odds after an aneurysm left my mum Isobel with massive brain damage at age 74. The medical professionals told me there was absolutely no hope of any quality of life again. Still, I used every mindset tool, years of research and incredible tenacity to prove them wrong and bring my mother back to full health within three years. Get your copy here: https://shop.lisatamati.com/collections/books/products/relentless.

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Episode Highlights [03:04] Damian’s Experiences before Joining the Special Forces
  • Damian shares he used to bodybuild when he was around 19 years old, and he was a Pan Pacific champion.
  • Then, he joined the army in New Zealand. In 2000, he was sent to East Timor for a mission.    
  • His experience in the military taught him to be less selfish. It made him see how people grow up and learn the realities of developing countries. 
  • Damian recounts his time in East Timor in the full episode.
[09:17] How to Cope with Trauma
  • Seeing terrible situations during his mission taught Damian to compartmentalise.
  • Talking to others can help you avoid bottling up feelings. You can start with one friend or your partner first, then your teammates. 
  • Sleep is also important. It’s where we can disconnect our emotions from traumatic events.
  • Get the basics right. Have good food, exercise, sleep and connect with others.
[12:34] How Damian Joined the Special Forces
  • After his time in East Timor, Damian left the military and went into exercise rehabilitation. 
  • After one and a half years, he went back to the military. By 2005, he helped form a counterterrorism team as a standalone squadron. 
  • Selection for Special Forces is different since the job is different. Damian observes that one criterion is people’s response and management of physical and mental pain. 
[17:05] The Mindset to Help You Keep Going
  • Damian shares that the Special Forces’ tenets are hard-wired into them and help them keep doing their work. 
  • The first tenet is the unrelenting pursuit of excellence. Always be better than your best.
  • Next, have the discipline to learn and teach. 
[18:45] Keep Learning and Evolving
  • He shares that the Special Forces constantly evolves and now supports people to rest and not go hard all the time. In fact, a regiment in Australia has sleeping pods in their camp. 
  • He also shares that his team is able to relax before missions. Be able to switch on and off before difficult and serious situations.  
  • Damian recommends working and training smarter, not harder. This includes exercise selection and performance. 
  • Keep up with the times and stay humble. Be willing to learn from others, even when they’re younger than you. 
[23:21] How to Cope with Changes and Transitions
  • In professional sports, athletes face the problem of transitioning out of their careers.
  • These athletes tend to be stuck in a bubble that can burst if they get injured and can’t play anymore.  
  • Damian shares that this can be similar to those from the military. Once they come back, they often feel like fish out of the water. 
  • Therefore, having a team of people to support you through changes is important.
[29:12] How to Manage Your Thoughts and Actions 
  • Remember that people react to situations differently. For example, if you’re prone to be addicted to dopamine, you may find it harder to be satisfied. 
  • Understand your genes better so you won’t beat yourself up for things that don’t suit you in the first place. 
  • Remember that your biology will create your thoughts. If your body lacks certain chemicals, you will naturally want to fill the void. 
  • If you want to change your thinking, start with self-awareness and reflection. 
[34:01] How Damian Started Ketones
  • Damian is now with the fire brigade in Australia and coaches clients on sleep and nutrition. 
  • Six years after he left the Special Forces, Damian shares he was depressed and anxious. This led him to learn about ketones in 2015.
[35:42] How Ketones Can Help Us
  • Ketones are a fuel source. In the keto diet, people are aiming to get into a state of ketosis to use ketones to fuel the brain. 
  • It can also help cancer patients, sports performance, depression and mood stabilisation. 
  • A 2019 study shows that ketones can reduce anxiety by 40%. 
  • When you’re on a keto diet or in a fasting state, the ketones can change glutamate into GABA. Glutamate is a chemical that can make us excited or anxious. 
  • Ketones can also inhibit seizures. 
[39:51] Damian Shares Real Ketones 
  • Real Ketones carry two products. One is a human identical ketone, which is DBHB. The other is an LDBHB mix, which is more effective for anxiety, weight loss, and brain performance.  
  • It’s found that the latter mix has a 59.9% drop in anxiety, 159% more fat loss and 10% greater brain processing speed.
[42:18] Why Exogenous Ketones? 
  • Regardless of your diet, exogenous ketones can significantly raise your ketone levels. 
  • Remember, ketone drinks were invented for the Navy Seals because it’s more convenient than depending on a keto diet. 
  • Exogenous ketones can also help fat-adapted athletes lose weight and those who are prone to inflammation. 
[52:09] The Importance of Sleep
  • Sleep can help you manage stress better. This is the first thing you need to work on. After that, you can layer on better food, ketones, exercise and other strategies. 
  • Poor sleep for one year can easily lead to being 7 kilos overweight. It can also increase neurodegeneration, diabetes risk, cancer risk and more. 
  • Due to his schedule as a firefighter, Damian shares how he would do Tabata exercises to stay awake. This is 4 minutes of exercise with cycles of 20 seconds of exercise and 10 seconds of rest. 
  • He would also get light exposure and drink caffeine in the morning, as well as take theanine and ketones. 
  • To make up for his lack of sleep, Damian would take magnesium, theanine, tryptophan and GABA.
7 Powerful Quotes

'Sleep is where we disconnect emotions from traumatic events. As if you've been up all night, not able to sleep, of course, you're gonna feel the same the next day.

'Getting good food, getting good sleep, bit of exercise, and having connection with somebody in some way is going to help you out.'

'You're just trying to do your best and then be better than that. Yeah, not just trying to hit a standard—trying to be better than that.'

'Driven people, they can achieve anything. And then they're asking themselves to do it by themselves. And that's where they fall over.'

'Connection is the cure...Build a team before you go. And the team just could be your wife. That's your team. At no point in the military and no point in the org base did you ever do anything by yourself.’

'I'm being self aware, being able to self reflect, and then apply something and if I can't do it, I'll ask someone that can help me identify it or help me throw it off, or get their advice, and then analyze that and then apply it to myself.'

'Your three year old: would you would you let them get by six hours sleep? If you possibly think on that, you think that's insane? Don't do it to yourself because we are the same as the three year old.'

About Damian 

Damian Porter has over 28 years of experience in the health and wellness industry. He is a career firefighter, champion national bodybuilder, exercise rehabilitation physiologist, former Special Forces Operator and a police officer with years of experience in both military and civilian applications. 

Through his wide range of experiences, Damian is able to help clients achieve their optimal body, health, and performance-based on practical and educated perspectives. 

Interested in Damian’s work? Check out his website

You can also reach out to him on Facebook, Instagram, and email (porter.bookings@gmail.com).

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