In this episode, Kathryn Buckley shares her expert advice on advancing your product management career. We cover essential topics such as deciding between a management path and remaining an individual contributor, with
insights on how to evaluate your passion and goals.

Kathryn provides effective strategies for skill development and growth within your role, as well as tips for enhancing stakeholder management and communication. We also address the confidence gap and offer practical advice for overcoming it.

Additionally, Kathryn discusses the importance of integrating ethical considerations into your product
decisions and what to look for when hiring senior PMs, along with navigating the trend towards specialisation in product roles.

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Join me and Deena Shahrabani as we recap a recent event on Data Product Management (DPM), discussing its growing importance in tech.

Deena shares insights from her role at Trainline, where she builds data products that enhance customer engagement.

And I share insights from my day-to-day recruitment in this space, as we both explore the emerging DPM market, and the mindset needed to treat data as a product. We also cover challenges, opportunities, and key takeaways from the event’s panel discussion.

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This week, I'm delighted to have Karina Carter on the show. We dive into her role as a Fractional CPO, discussing the importance of product-led growth and the challenges faced by founders without a product background.

Karina sheds light on the role of a Fractional CPO in early-stage startups and scaling companies, emphasising the benefits and integration tips. Tune in for valuable insights and fun discussions!

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Join me and Matt Fenby-Taylor, the ex-CPO of ClearScore, as we discuss recent challenges to the product management discipline, its cyclical nature, and strategies for growth and consolidation.

We touch upon the debate spurred on by AirBnb’s Brian Chesky, explore the 'new normal’, broader implications beyond PMs, and the craft of product management.

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We’re kicking off season two with my good friend, Alex Astafiev. We explore the multifaceted role of a product manager and leader. From the complexities of people management, coaching, career development and emotional intelligence to his journey to landing his first job at Amadeus, we chat about it all!

Tune in for an insightful conversation on the essence of being a manager.

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In this episode, I'm joined by Piers Marais, Global Head of Product at Visa Cross-Border Solutions. Piers, a distinguished Product Leader in FinTech, shares his journey from Currencycloud to Visa amidst rapid growth and acquisition. Join us for insights into navigating highly regulated environments in product management, resilience in the product role, and the transformative impact of AI in FinTech.

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Join me in today's episode with Nick Zervoudis, Data Product Manager at CKDelta, the data monetisation and innovation startup of CK Hutchinson conglomerate. Nick, a prominent figure in the data product community, shares his journey from a data background to Data Product Management. Tune in as we discuss the expanding recognition of data product teams and the intersection of product principles with the realm of data.

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Join me in today's episode with Lorenzo Espinosa, Head of Product at Ada Health, a Berlin-based health tech scale-up. Lorenzo's rapid rise from big tech to B2B health tech is a testament to his impressive Product Leadership journey. We'll explore his career shifts, the synergy between commercial and product teams, and uncover the keys to building a solid product strategy. Don't miss this insightful discussion!

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Join me in this episode with Caroline Zimmerman, Director of Data Products and Strategy at Profusion, a consultancy mastering data solutions. From a data-centric background, Caroline's evolution into a product manager and leader culminates in her current role as a full-fledged data product leader. Dive into our conversation exploring data product realms and Caroline's intriguing journey into data product management.

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Dive into the next episode with host Ben Moulton as he chats with Jane Austin, former Chief Product Officer at Juniver and current Founder/CPO of Laurel. Jane's stellar career, spanning renowned global tech companies in product and design, takes centre stage. Uncover the bond between design and product, Jane's transition from design to product, and valuable advice for designers eyeing a similar leap. Join the conversation for insights into the dynamic world of design and product management.

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Join host Ben Moulton in a captivating episode with Katherine Maree Pace, SARSEN's Chief Product Officer. Explore Katherine's illustrious career, spanning diverse companies, industries, and geographies. Hear about Katherine's experiences, focusing on process optimisation and effective leadership. This episode looks into what Product Leaders must master for success, offering valuable insights into the balance between process efficiency and impactful leadership in product management.

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Join me and Sophie Valentine, a seasoned product leader who recently served as VP of Product at Healios, a digital health company. Sophie has driven innovation through roles at Healios and Huma, focusing on virtual care platforms and AI tools. She co-founded NeuroTechX London and has a strong background in neuroscience.

We discuss why Digital Health is exciting, the unique challenges of product management in this field, principles for building regulated products, and how to navigate the evolving regulatory landscape and career advice for aspiring professionals.

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Join me and Ross Harty as we discuss the challenges of driving innovation in financial services.

We cover key topics including overcoming cultural and organisational barriers, modernising tech stacks, and navigating complex regulatory landscapes.

He also shares strategies for balancing innovation with ROI and staying ahead of market changes.

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Join me and Lindsay Scott, the Chief Product Officer at Polecat, as we discuss her journey in building data and AI-driven products, the role of Generative AI at Polecat, and strategies for successful business transformation. Lindsay shares insights on navigating the AI landscape, the evolution of product management, and how to harness AI's potential while managing its disruptions.

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Join me and Valentin Vincendon, the Chief Product Officer at Copper, as we explore the nuances of driving change in product management, essential best practices for product organisations, and the unique challenges faced by product leaders.

Valentin shares his insights on the importance of emotional intelligence, effective processes, and building strong relationships. We also discuss how principles from broader societal changes can apply to product management.

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Welcome to a bonus episode with Ben as he goes through some questions from listeners. Ben gives his thoughts on product interviews, tackling counter offers, how to break into new areas of product management, and more!

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Welcoming Rich Smith, the Chief Product Officer at Verisk Specialty Business Solutions, to the podcast. In this episode, we explore the pivotal role of culture in product management and the transformative journey of VSBS over the past eight years.

Rich shares his insights on creating a customer-centric culture, navigating significant organisational changes, and the digital evolution within the insurance industry. And of course, we had to talk about the impact of AI and data initiatives on reshaping insurance!

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I'm excited to welcome Michelle Wright, Chief Product Officer at Kurtosys, to the podcast. We delve into the essence of innovation and its impact on organisational culture.

Join us as Michelle shares her perspectives on fostering a culture of innovation, the importance of embracing failure, and strategies for building psychological safety within teams. Tune in to gain valuable insights into unleashing the power of innovation and leveraging failure as a catalyst for growth.

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I'm thrilled to welcome David Griffiths to the podcast. We explore the intersection of art, technology, and product management, with David sharing insights from his role as Chief Product Officer at Convelio.

Tune in as we discuss the untapped potential of technology in the art market, the challenges of avoiding a "feature factory" mentality, and the exciting opportunities AI presents in art logistics.

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On this episode we interview Mladen Subašić, Chief Product Officer at Bound AI, part of OIP InsurTech.

This episode explores the growing role of AI in modernising insurance operation. Ben and Mladen discuss his journey from behavioural science into product management, the creation of Bound AI and how technology is helping insurers capture unstructured data and build more autonomous processes.

Mladen also shares insights on AI adoption, the differences between the UK and US markets and why trust, accuracy and reliability are key to long-term success.

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Special extra episode with Nicholas Goubert. Nicholas is a product leader with over 15 years’ experience in fintech, media and music, location services, mobility and big data. He is also the Co-CEO and Chief Product and Technology Officer at Oceans Technologies Group. Join us as Ben and Nicholas talk about cloud based solutions, digital transformation, being connected, solution verticals and much more!

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Nicolas Averseng, founder of YOOI, joins the podcast to explore how businesses can scale data and AI product management. He details why large organisations need a portfolio approach to data and AI products and how to shift from a project mindset to a true product mindset. Nicolas also talks about how measuring impact goes beyond financial ROI and shares his perspective on the future of AI governance, the evolving role of data leaders, and what companies must get right to succeed.

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In this episode, Ilai Szpiezak, co-founder of Dolphin.ai shares how he built a data product from the ground up, turning customer feedback into actionable insights.He explains how his team uses AI to structure qualitative data, helping businesses make smarter product decisions.Ilai breaks down the differences between launching a marketplace vs. a SaaS product and the challenges that come with each.He also sheds light on why understanding design psychology is crucial for building products people love to use.🔵 Connect with Ben on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com🔵 Explore Ilai’s profile: www.linkedin.com🔵 Join the Product Community: https://community.weareorbis.com/the-product-community🔵 Visit Orbis: www.weareorbis.com

Chandni Kumar, Lead Product Manager for Data & AI at Expedia, joins the podcast to share her journey through data product management across industries.She takes us inside Expedia’s B2B data products, breaking down how they leverage decades of travel data to optimise bookings, forecast demand, and align supply with shifting market trends. Chandni also reflects on the evolution of data product management and explores the challenges of monetising data in a B2B setting and the shift from a product-led to a sales-driven culture.She explains how to secure stakeholder buy-in and highlights the importance of networking, mentorship, and community for career growth in data product management. 🔵 Connect with Ben on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com

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Dan Woolcott, Lead Product Manager for Data & Machine Learning at Tesco, takes us inside the world of cybersecurity and AI-driven defence.

Coming from a background in data products at StepStone, he shares what it’s like to pivot into a new industry and offers advice for product managers also looking to transition.

Dan reflects on the balance between AI automation and human judgement, the importance of securing leadership buy-in, and why strong data foundations are key to unlocking innovation.

He also dives into the differences between building for B2B vs. B2C, the challenges of running A/B tests with limited data, and what the next wave of AI-driven data platforms could mean for businesses.

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Ross Bailey joins the podcast to discuss data product management in financial services, drawing on 20+ years of experience leading multi-billion-dollar product and data portfolios.

He explores how businesses define value in data products, the role of AI governance and compliance, and the challenges of balancing innovation with regulation.

Ross shares insights on iterating on data products, engaging stakeholders, and ensuring reusability while maintaining data integrity and discoverability.

Looking ahead, he discusses the economic and geopolitical risks shaping 2025 and how businesses can leverage data to navigate uncertainty.

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In this episode, Grant Hodgkinson shares insights into AI and ML product management, drawing from his experience in B2B SaaS and leading cross-functional teams.

He discusses product market fit in AI, the balance between customisation and scalability, and how decision engineers and business leaders collaborate to drive impact.

The conversation explores measuring customer value in AI products, the importance of focus in product strategy, and how Faculty’s fellowship program is shaping the next generation of AI talent.

Grant also offers advice for product managers on simplifying complexity, building strong technical relationships, and maintaining well-being in high-pressure environments.

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